i understood more about modernism and post modernism in this 10 minutes video than what i ever understood in 12 weeks of studying it for a class at university....THANK YOU!
I'm glad you decided to push away your fears when uploading this video. This is brilliant. YOU are brilliant, and I can't wait for more of these lectures.
The first rule of postmodernism . . . is that whenever you define 'postmodernism,' a postmodernist will say 'no, you don't understand postmodernism' and then re-define it. The second rule of postmodernism . . . is that five minutes later, the postmodernist will offer the same 'wrong' definition of 'postmodernism' that you just offered. The third rule of postmodernism . . . is that someone will respond to this comment that I 'know nothing about postmodernism.'
This was excellent - I did Philosophy at university and you've explained these concepts more clearly and succinctly than any of my professors ever managed to! Looking forward to the next one :)
I practically never comment on videos but I just wanted to say how and fabulous you are. You make me get excited about literature and explain things in such an articulate way that makes me feel I could translate this information to other people! Thank you so much for bringing a dollop of academia to my subscriptions ☺️☺️❤️❤️
I can tell how hard you worked on this video, m'dear, and it is absolutely fabulous. I feel like I've finally begun to understand something that was only touched on during my English degree. So completely thrilled to be a member of the Unemployed Philosophers Club!
I feel so much wiser. You explained and approached everything so clearly my dear. I know this was a tonne of hard work but you honestly produced something phenomenal in the end!
Unemployed historian here: both of these ideas played a role in the formation of many political movements especially in the later half of the 20th and early 21st century. You channel is wonderful.
I'm studying Heart of Darkness and Dark Roots (A somewhat Post-modernist text) for Literature and this was the most incredible video for my studies! Keep up the amazing work and thank you so much for what you've already done :)
This was great and wonderful!! And I honestly cannot wait for the next ones. I really appreciate the readings lists too. Also, the matchstick was great - it made easier for me to understand the modernism and postmodernism, and the mention of Newton and Einstein helped too because I know more about physics than literature theory and that parallel helped a lot. I do believe that kids and students these days should be encouraged more to connect the different things they study and the way you did the lecture is another proof of that. Do I even make sense? Oh, well, thank you! It was lovely!
I am retyping my comment for umpteenth time because I want to express how fucking great this is. This is something I (a state school A level student) have been dreaming of finding on RUclips. Content fabulous (v v v v interesting), style marvellous (not dumbing-down or patronising, but clear and build well). I am genuinely reeling (a little giddy with excitement) with how brilliant this. Thank you so so much for working so hard to create this (as a long term viewer I'm a little emotional with how proud I am of you), I'll be using it to develop my extra curricular reading for uni applications. You are honestly a marvel 💕
It was amazing, sometimes I had trouble understanding you when you got really excited though it's due to my lack of experience with listening to English lectures about literature and I'd like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to improve! It was informational and interesting and I'm really happy about your choice of topic as postmodern literature is pretty close to my heart! I hope you'll continue making lectures like this, you are wonderful and I enjoyed it thoroughly .
+Virág K Thank you SO much for having the patience to improve your English through me XD I'm not an easy subject to listen to so bravo! Thank you for your support xxxx
This was a good summary for beginners on what Modernism, & Postmodernism is. The internet is plagued with people who don't understand what postmodernism is. So having someone like you giving a brief, but a well explained video of it is great.
I love this so much. I study philosophy all the time but if I went to university I'd probably be unemployed too. Your lecture makes this so much easier to understand. Thank you!
This was just wonderful. i've read almost a hundred page of this stuff and it made me even more confused. You made everything clearer. Thankyou, now i can go do my exam more confidently.
ahh this was so interesting! i'm going to study english (as a foreign language; my native language is slovenian) and literature at university next school year, and i think these videos will be the perfect thing to help me prepare a little. thank you for doing it, i can't wait for your next lecture :) (also, you have suuuch a nice manner of speaking, it's so pleasant to listen to) have a lovely day!
+sarahm96 Oh wow best of luck for next school year!! If there's any topic you think will be useful with regards to literary history etc please do let me know (: xxxx
You really need not have worried so much. You did great! And with a topic that in the past has always worked like a tranquillizer on my brain down no less. I can't wait to see the next one.
Fantastic video. I was having a debate with one of my colleagues on the use / view of technological advancement and the distinctive differences in perspective between the modernists and postmodernists, and I never thought of using the match example. Thanks so much!
In the realm of thought, two movements arise, Modernism and Postmodernism, in the philosopher's guise, Distinct in their ways, they paint a tale, Of contrasting philosophies that bewilder and regale. Modernism, a quest for truth, a seismic shift, An age of reason, logic's powerful gift, Challenging norms, it sought to define, Innovative thoughts in a structured line. Eliot and Woolf, in Modernism's sphere, Fragmented truths, a dissonance clear, In "The Waste Land," a shattered verse, Disillusionment's cry, a narrative terse. Frost's simple lines, a rural scene, Life's subtle truths in the everyday sheen, Modernist echoes in each word displayed, A longing for meaning, a depth conveyed. Postmodernism, a rebellion's cheer, From Modernism's grip, it sought to veer, Deconstruction, a key in its hand, Challenging structures, a bold stand. Vonnegut and Pynchon, in playful spree, Mocking reality, absurdity set free, A Slaughterhouse tale, a war's grim jest, A narrative maze, a postmodern quest. Morrison's Beloved, haunting and stark, Memory's maze in a narrative arc, Postmodern echoes, identities veiled, Truths entangled, realities assailed. Unemployed philosopher, a concept in flight, Between Modernism's logic and Postmodernism's plight, In a shifting world where ideas collide, The philosopher muses, the currents he rides. One seeks truth in a structured hand, The other, a rebel, in a fragmented stand, In this clash of thoughts, they intertwine, In the Unemployed Philosopher's uncertain line.
+Erick Aparicio I'm so glad you find it useful! Wouldn't be a lecture without giving a reading list - I thought they were just a good selection of diverse authors which would lead to other suggested readings should you wish to explore further (:
Wonderful Cinzia, Now I get it! Thank you for all the hard word you put in, and your clarity and insight, so brimming with interesting comments, I must watch and rewatch to squeeze all the precious moments......Thank you.....p.s. I covet your spectacles.....
I am a final year school student from NZ previously bewildered and confused regarding the Post-Modernist philosophy, however post watching this video I have gained a significantly better understanding! If I wasn't broke I would happily support your Patreon as the suggested topics you mentioned interest me greatly. All the best for the future. Thank you
and because of this feeling that everything has to be subjective today we have people saying that science must fall... and yes, the people who say that are post modern.
Hi! I just want to say that I watched this video and others of you which finally convinced me that I wanted to study English lit, and I just handed in my thesis on literary modernism and postmodernism a week ago. Thanks for inspiring me! (And now on to my masters)
This was great! I (german lit graduate) never tackled the subject myself and was left with an indistinct intuition of what postmodernism and modernism was. So excited for more episodes. You actually made me horribly nostalgic for uni. I hope there will be many more lectures (if not by the unemployed but rather the employed philosopher) :) Good luck to you!
(con.) i hope the confidence in your abilities grows, that you feel more comfortable about it. i appreciate your efforts a lot amd wish for it to be anenjoyable experience for yourself as well. i was sad to hear how much distress making this brought you, and all the more delighted to see how you shine! you are a great lecturer and i look forward to learning more from you. again, thank you!
I really enjoyed the content of your talk. You have a great facility for summarizing a complicated subject and bringing out the essential basic elements. I would like you to think about slowing down your delivery and lower the pitch of your voice to make it easier to absorb your undoubted scholarship and knowledge.
very well constructed and performed lecture. really argued clearly but without "dumbing things down". thank you so much for taking your time to do this. i hope your confidence in your abik
Gods, I'm a sucker for that accent. Great rundown. Beautiful metaphor with the match (I will steal it in my asocial pretentious rant-turned conversation). A little rough on some cuts in editing but a nice first. Good luck, cheers!
I don't and probably never will study literature theory, but I love reading and I love learning and I absolutely loved this lecture. :) It was so interesting and amazing and I'm so proud of you for getting this series started, Cinzia!!
"The flickering ..." brushing up on post modernist understanding of society while looking into your eyes,, glad this isn't an actual class room. ^^ Thx Cinzia from the past (now self employed editor)
Many intelligent comments below. Some more than others. My advice in mentally separating modernism from post modernism is to analyze Lyotard's descriptions of both in his book, The Postmodern Condition, which you can most quickly access from Wikipedia. For the record, that book was the first to use the word "postmodern" out of the context of art criticism, and it was written in '79. Prob more recent than some would assume. The next philosophical landmark for postmodernism came as recently as '91 in the form of "Postmodernism, or, the Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism" by Frederic Jameson. My own summary: cultural turn toward general skepticism of centralized or authoritative truths that enabled the tragedy that was the twentieth century. Although some people still believe these things so we still have race supremacy, nationalism, and class based guilt
Thank you, Cinzia, for all the hard work and nerves and strength you put in this! You did so good! We are talking about it at Uni at the moment and I really did find that very helpful! And I genuienly admire how you got through it and I hope one day I find the strength to overcome obstacles like you did.
This was so fascinating, @C. A. Dubois! I really enjoyed this lecture - you're fantastic at it, and every engaging and interesting. Keep it up, girl! I loved your analogy of the match, and the flickering flame of the modernist period. I recently read T.S. Eliot's "Selected Poems" which had the poem "Waste Lands" and I think that is very true. I'm still not 100% sure I understand the post-modernist theory, but somehow I have the feeling that is the point, that everything is relative and abstract, and there can be no universal truth, etc. Ooh, Victorian Literature would be a topic I'd be really interested in, as well as the Enlightenment and Medieval literature. Also, I think it would be interesting to hear more about how the novel came to be, and structuralism vs. and post structuralism - wow, so many exciting possibilities and topics! I am excited! Thank you so much for doing this, Cinzia!
I really enjoyed this lecture it was a great introduction of a subject I was not familiar with. I hope you make more of these because I'm sure that a lot of people will find it helpful and interesting
Wonderful first lecture - you spoke with clarity and enthusiasm and those 13 minutes and 33 seconds went by very quickly! Looking forward to more. Well done!! :)
C. A. DuBois Aw thank you for the sweet words, Cinzia. Your videos have done a lot for me, so of course I'm ready with pom poms any time you need a cheerleader!
+C. A. DuBois (The Petite Britette) it certainly is worth everyone's time!! I'm a first year uni student and we haven't properly started studying literary theory and movements yet, this is a very helpful starter, thank you so much!
+C. A. DuBois (The Petite Britette) it may sound basic for you but for those who don't study English Literature (or better said, literature written in English) it is quite useful, so please, let's start with the basics and then we can move onto deeper analysis. So I'm with @opaltintedglasses in this, it is wonderful indeed. And quite enjoyable. Thank you so much
Interesting. Editing out all the pauses works very well for Philip DeFranco, who has over five million subscribers. However he doesn't portray himself as a philosopher. It could involve different expectations from different audiences.
That was lovely Cinzia, I know you found this really difficult to approach but it was so interesting and simple to understand. Having only studied science at a university level this is something I'd not had the chance to hear about before so thank you. :)
You explained this in a way six 12 page articles and a written lecture from my college professor didn't. Thank you! I feel like I have a slightly better grasp on this subject. :) I love how you used plainer language, or as plain as you could.
Watched the first few minutes and there seems to be a confusion between modernity and modernism. Modernism was either completely opposed to modernity or at the very least radically critiquing modernity. Also Woolf was deeply influenced by Joyce, and her quoted vulgar comments reflect anxiety of influence: Mrs Dalloway comes out of Ulysses.
I didn't realize Sandman would be considered a post-modernist work, but to be fair, I don't have much knowledge of literary movements. Interesting stuff.
I'm a philosophy student, so anything and everything that concerns itself with philosophical writings is interesting to me really :) This whole series is a really lovely idea btw!
+The Written World well perhaps it's a very good job I got rejected to do a PhD because I wouldn't have been a very good professor if I didn't explain things well enough so they we're understood XD but thanks for watching xx
I merely meant that it is a difficult subject out of my area of expertise and therefore hard for me to understand. Didn't mean to imply anything about your teaching abilities. Sorry if it came out that way. I did enjoy the video and thought your explanation was really good. xx
Thanks for this Cinzia, for someone who knows absolutely nothing about this, you kept me engaged and I learnt a lot. Look forward to the next one :) xx
The speed of light in a vacuum is constant is a Universal Truth of the Universe and those that claim that the speed of light in a vacuum is a social construct are not the ones measuring it!
This was so fun and informative! Thank you so much for all your hard work on this! You are amazing at explaining abstract concepts in a really clear and comprehensive manner, so don't worry about anything! ;) Here's one subscriber who is eager for more! Thank you again! xx
Perhaps you mentioned this briefly (I’m a bit sick and having trouble concentrating) but after listening to you I went and read GK Chesterton’s “Heretics” and the picture he offers of the intellectual world of the early twentieth century is fairly postmodernist according to what you’ve said here. As he puts it, you almost expect to hear from every man you meet, “Well I may not be right but this is my opinion.” In the book he criticizes many intellectual figures and movements both apparently modernist and postmodernist. Particularly Bernard Shaw who he depicts as a modernist posing as a postmodernist (The Golden Rule is that there is no golden rule of course is self contradictory and has nothing to do with how Bernard Shaw actually thinks, despite his espousing it). It seems to me that postmodernism was part of modernism from the beginning. That is there was always a struggle between individualist and universalist views. Anyway you might read Chesterton, he’s the great neglected mind of the twentieth century and both witty and insightful and advocates what he calls orthodox Christianity as the only correct answer because to his mind it allows the world to be real and offers an adventure to every soul. To him the best point of view should be something that has everything in it and finds adventure in daily life. His books “The Man Who was Thursday,” “The Napoleon of Nottinghill,” and “The Ball and the Cross” are both hilarious and brilliant. His satire of the Tolstoy pacifists in a the Ball and the Cross is particularly poignant as well as his satire of Nietzsche in the person of the bloodthirsty yet cowardly professor.
So cool, thanks! May I suggest though, that you speak more slowly, and use a lapel mic. The reverberance in the room and the speed with which you deliver these complex concepts make the video difficult to follow and understand.
I think the best way forward, is the way in which most end up being happy. If you constantly look for that which is wrong, all you will see is a world that is wrong. But if you look at what seems to make people happy and focus on flourishing this, then you will have a better world. :)
That was brilliant ! I follow you on twitter and instagram so I know it was a real struggle to edit and upload that video. Congrats Cinzia :) ! I loved it and I'm even more excited for your next lecture now ! I've had classes on that subject but I never understood the difference between the two until now. You are so passionate and interesting you would be a wonderful lecturer ! I really hope you'll do your Phd one day :). Have a good day xx
+ifmarybooks Thank you SO much Mary!! Sadly I'll never be trying for a PhD again but it means a lot to me to think I may have made a good lecturer should I have pursued the PhD. Thank you so much for your love and support xxxx
I love this!I would also love it if you had a couple of pages of notes or points from your lecture that we could print out and absorb as a slower pace.Can't wait for the next one though!
+notLola If I have the time in the future I'll try to but I'm afraid I'm working on a novel as well as applying for work so for the first few I'm afraidI won't have time to but I shall keep it in mind! Thank you
You are so well spoken, and you sound very knowledgeable of what was being talked about in your video. Could you possibly do a video on Egyptian Philosophy? Any aspect of it would be really interesting to me. Keep up the great work girl!
Couldn't one contend the match is the REALITY and the problem being all the changing, flickering identities which look at it are the problem. Admittedly, this is the Wittgenstein 'language-game' problem, at it's core, which Lyotard picks up and others treat over time as well.
Well done Cinzia! In a nutshell, I found your presentation quite informative and enjoyable to watch. Thank You for the list of readings. I think now I have some idea of what the modernist / post-modernist arguments are about. Cheers. Dan.
modernism like pre modernism still has values and axiomatic principles and rules that define art while still being able to explore new frontiers of the unknown to build on and expand on an established and rich foundation on what defines art. postmodernism is built on the philosophy of french interlectuals that there is no valid axiomatic principles only infinate interpretations thus they kicked out the rich foundation completely in order to allow "boundless creativity" in exploring relative interpretation. the problem with that is yes there are infinite interpretations but only a small number of interpretations that work, this is why you go to a doctor of modern medicine over a voodoo Doctor because the axiom of medicine is to preserve and improve health and one achieves the objective more then the other, the problem with boundless creativity is it requires 0 creativity because creativity is bound by a set of rules or boundaries to think and move your way through in new and profound ways, its like playing chess without rules or an objective, if I'm playing a grand master within the boundaries of chess I need insane levels of creativity to win within the rules, if I play without rules or objectives creativity is no longer defined. This is why art galleries are mostly full of undefined rubish that most people outside of a niche market of "people educated in the arts" look at it apathy and confusion as apposed to the jaw dropping awe and admiration one use to get looking at dali.
I'm not a postmodernist but they were right to be skeptical about universal truths. I think the problem is that we confused "universal" with being "objective" when the two are not the same.
So, what I understood is that: modernists believed that through their own search of meta hierarchy, they can reach the meta truth, or the next best thing, where postmodernists not only rejected that, but thought that humans are heroes of their own narratives but also the puppets to their surroundings. Seems to me that postmodernists were trying to "free" men from the shackles of hierarchies but also did that in a way that destroyed human agency (with the exception of bureaucratic, capitalistic engines). So, what sense does that even make? Humans who have no agency are shaped by the systems that they've built?
What post modernism does is it takes essentism and, through observations performed during modernism realised that there is a nature versus nurture continuum in our lives that goes beyond what our parents teach us. An essentialist might say that girls wear skirts because that is what girls are inclined to do and that pink is a girls' color because girls are drawn to it. These statements are statements of universal truths which post modernism eschews. A superficial yet earnest but of research into these concepts would demonstrate that pink used to be the color of baby boys until color photography and that throughout history it hasn't been only girls wearing skirts. Society has a deep indoctrinal influence on our thoughts, our tastes, our feelings. That is the reality that post modernism acknowledges by saying that we exist in the context of our world. Deconstruction is taking the metanarrative you exist in and taking it apart to see it's effect on you and society. It's not that there is no agency, it's that agency is always influenced, even from before birth.
@@snowburnd Agency is influenced but it’s not created through the world in of itself which is why I find a lot of postmodern positions to be very impractical when it comes to political discourse. Because the postmodernist will assume that whatever issues arise must be a form of social conditioning which can be unlearned and reprogrammed yet this completely unravels the existence of social based problems in the first place. In example, if gender is just a social construction of how society views males and females, in your own example girls wearing pink skirts and boys blue pants, then if my daughter told me that she wanted to be a boy, instead of jumping to gender Dysphoria and socially transitioning her, It would be postmodern approach to keep her a girl but let her experience being a girl differently, like letting her wear more blue pants. But obviously this doesn’t work because Transgenderism isn’t merely not being comfortable with the expectations of your sex. It’s a psychological state where you are significantly distressed about your sex and want to live your life as the opposite sex, regardless of the social expectations of the opposite sex. If being a boy meant wearing skirts and playing with dolls a transgender female will want to be boy just as much as if being a boy meant wearing pants and playing with dump trucks. Because it’s not about the social expectations but the biological and psychological misalignment. This is where I find postmodernism falling apart. Because if things are a social construct then you would expect, in controlled social settings, that you could manipulate these elements and in some cases you can, some thing are a social construct, such as clothes. But there are certain elements that you can’t manipulate through social means and the postmodernists can’t agree if or where that’s true. Such as the idea of gender. If gender is a social construct, it’s just as some of these radicals claim that there are millions of genders and you can simply identify as transgender on the spot with no need to transition or even get evaluated. If you say you are trans, you are, no matter how little you feel about gender at all. But that doesn’t match the reality that trans people need hormone therapy and surgeries. And that’s where a lot of things start the roll down hill from what I can see. That’s just what a I’ve noticed though.
Thank you so much! I've been struggling to grasp these two concepts for so long and I just haven't been able to been able to identify the core themes in each individually but you explained them so well, I feel like I finally understand ^.^
you dont say "Unemployed Philosopher" you just say Philosopher
"Unemployed" is a given
joking love this video
Savage... haha
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i understood more about modernism and post modernism in this 10 minutes video than what i ever understood in 12 weeks of studying it for a class at university....THANK YOU!
I'm glad you decided to push away your fears when uploading this video. This is brilliant. YOU are brilliant, and I can't wait for more of these lectures.
Well said!
+Sylvia Nguyen (A Suitcase Full of Books)
@@CinziaDuBoisI like that Bambi doll
The first rule of postmodernism . . . is that whenever you define 'postmodernism,' a postmodernist will say 'no, you don't understand postmodernism' and then re-define it.
The second rule of postmodernism . . . is that five minutes later, the postmodernist will offer the same 'wrong' definition of 'postmodernism' that you just offered.
The third rule of postmodernism . . . is that someone will respond to this comment that I 'know nothing about postmodernism.'
Thats not how post-modernism works.
@@rudiegotbetter8730 you just did exactly what I described 😆 🤣 😂
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This was excellent - I did Philosophy at university and you've explained these concepts more clearly and succinctly than any of my professors ever managed to! Looking forward to the next one :)
For a Brit, you speak fast like a new yorker on black coffee speeding through rush hour traffic in midtown Manhattan, lmao, i love it!
Finally youtuber where I don't need to turn the speed up to 1.5-1.75.
I practically never comment on videos but I just wanted to say how and fabulous you are. You make me get excited about literature and explain things in such an articulate way that makes me feel I could translate this information to other people! Thank you so much for bringing a dollop of academia to my subscriptions ☺️☺️❤️❤️
I can tell how hard you worked on this video, m'dear, and it is absolutely fabulous. I feel like I've finally begun to understand something that was only touched on during my English degree. So completely thrilled to be a member of the Unemployed Philosophers Club!
I feel so much wiser. You explained and approached everything so clearly my dear. I know this was a tonne of hard work but you honestly produced something phenomenal in the end!
And now my head hurts. I may have to watch this a couple more times to truly grasp this, but thank you for making this very informative video.
Yes to this, I listened while washing the dishes and had to take notes at the same time. Thank you for doing this.
Unemployed historian here: both of these ideas played a role in the formation of many political movements especially in the later half of the 20th and early 21st century. You channel is wonderful.
Thank you!
I'm studying Heart of Darkness and Dark Roots (A somewhat Post-modernist text) for Literature and this was the most incredible video for my studies! Keep up the amazing work and thank you so much for what you've already done :)
This was great and wonderful!! And I honestly cannot wait for the next ones. I really appreciate the readings lists too. Also, the matchstick was great - it made easier for me to understand the modernism and postmodernism, and the mention of Newton and Einstein helped too because I know more about physics than literature theory and that parallel helped a lot. I do believe that kids and students these days should be encouraged more to connect the different things they study and the way you did the lecture is another proof of that. Do I even make sense? Oh, well, thank you! It was lovely!
+Andreea P. Thank you so much Andreea - I'm so glad the science references helped as well! xxx
I am retyping my comment for umpteenth time because I want to express how fucking great this is. This is something I (a state school A level student) have been dreaming of finding on RUclips. Content fabulous (v v v v interesting), style marvellous (not dumbing-down or patronising, but clear and build well). I am genuinely reeling (a little giddy with excitement) with how brilliant this. Thank you so so much for working so hard to create this (as a long term viewer I'm a little emotional with how proud I am of you), I'll be using it to develop my extra curricular reading for uni applications. You are honestly a marvel 💕
It was amazing, sometimes I had trouble understanding you when you got really excited though it's due to my lack of experience with listening to English lectures about literature and I'd like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to improve! It was informational and interesting and I'm really happy about your choice of topic as postmodern literature is pretty close to my heart! I hope you'll continue making lectures like this, you are wonderful and I enjoyed it thoroughly .
+Virág K Thank you SO much for having the patience to improve your English through me XD I'm not an easy subject to listen to so bravo! Thank you for your support xxxx
This was a good summary for beginners on what Modernism, & Postmodernism is. The internet is plagued with people who don't understand what postmodernism is. So having someone like you giving a brief, but a well explained video of it is great.
When we did Structuralism and Post-Structuralism in Architecture School - I was like, OMG the engineers took over!
I love this so much. I study philosophy all the time but if I went to university I'd probably be unemployed too. Your lecture makes this so much easier to understand. Thank you!
This was just wonderful. i've read almost a hundred page of this stuff and it made me even more confused. You made everything clearer. Thankyou, now i can go do my exam more confidently.
ahh this was so interesting! i'm going to study english (as a foreign language; my native language is slovenian) and literature at university next school year, and i think these videos will be the perfect thing to help me prepare a little. thank you for doing it, i can't wait for your next lecture :) (also, you have suuuch a nice manner of speaking, it's so pleasant to listen to) have a lovely day!
+sarahm96 Oh wow best of luck for next school year!! If there's any topic you think will be useful with regards to literary history etc please do let me know (: xxxx
You really need not have worried so much. You did great! And with a topic that in the past has always worked like a tranquillizer on my brain down no less. I can't wait to see the next one.
Fantastic video. I was having a debate with one of my colleagues on the use / view of technological advancement and the distinctive differences in perspective between the modernists and postmodernists, and I never thought of using the match example. Thanks so much!
In the realm of thought, two movements arise,
Modernism and Postmodernism, in the philosopher's guise,
Distinct in their ways, they paint a tale,
Of contrasting philosophies that bewilder and regale.
Modernism, a quest for truth, a seismic shift,
An age of reason, logic's powerful gift,
Challenging norms, it sought to define,
Innovative thoughts in a structured line.
Eliot and Woolf, in Modernism's sphere,
Fragmented truths, a dissonance clear,
In "The Waste Land," a shattered verse,
Disillusionment's cry, a narrative terse.
Frost's simple lines, a rural scene,
Life's subtle truths in the everyday sheen,
Modernist echoes in each word displayed,
A longing for meaning, a depth conveyed.
Postmodernism, a rebellion's cheer,
From Modernism's grip, it sought to veer,
Deconstruction, a key in its hand,
Challenging structures, a bold stand.
Vonnegut and Pynchon, in playful spree,
Mocking reality, absurdity set free,
A Slaughterhouse tale, a war's grim jest,
A narrative maze, a postmodern quest.
Morrison's Beloved, haunting and stark,
Memory's maze in a narrative arc,
Postmodern echoes, identities veiled,
Truths entangled, realities assailed.
Unemployed philosopher, a concept in flight,
Between Modernism's logic and Postmodernism's plight,
In a shifting world where ideas collide,
The philosopher muses, the currents he rides.
One seeks truth in a structured hand,
The other, a rebel, in a fragmented stand,
In this clash of thoughts, they intertwine,
In the Unemployed Philosopher's uncertain line.
I think it's awesome that you provide a reading list. Thank you so much for that! It's nice to have a general guide for further study.
+Erick Aparicio I'm so glad you find it useful! Wouldn't be a lecture without giving a reading list - I thought they were just a good selection of diverse authors which would lead to other suggested readings should you wish to explore further (:
Wonderful Cinzia, Now I get it! Thank you for all the hard word you put in, and your clarity and insight, so brimming with interesting comments, I must watch and rewatch to squeeze all the precious moments......Thank you.....p.s. I covet your spectacles.....
I am a final year school student from NZ previously bewildered and confused regarding the Post-Modernist philosophy, however post watching this video I have gained a significantly better understanding! If I wasn't broke I would happily support your Patreon as the suggested topics you mentioned interest me greatly. All the best for the future. Thank you
and because of this feeling that everything has to be subjective today we have people saying that science must fall... and yes, the people who say that are post modern.
Hi! I just want to say that I watched this video and others of you which finally convinced me that I wanted to study English lit, and I just handed in my thesis on literary modernism and postmodernism a week ago. Thanks for inspiring me! (And now on to my masters)
Her summation is more admirable than most of the academics and professors on RUclips with their mumbo-jumbo vitriol against Post-Modernism.
So cute to see you 5 years ago with the same bookshelf and this confirms your voice is real ;-)
This was great! I (german lit graduate) never tackled the subject myself and was left with an indistinct intuition of what postmodernism and modernism was. So excited for more episodes. You actually made me horribly nostalgic for uni. I hope there will be many more lectures (if not by the unemployed but rather the employed philosopher) :)
Good luck to you!
(con.) i hope the confidence in your abilities grows, that you feel more comfortable about it. i appreciate your efforts a lot amd wish for it to be anenjoyable experience for yourself as well. i was sad to hear how much distress making this brought you, and all the more delighted to see how you shine! you are a great lecturer and i look forward to learning more from you. again, thank you!
I really enjoyed the content of your talk. You have a great facility for summarizing a complicated subject and bringing out the essential basic elements. I would like you to think about slowing down your delivery and lower the pitch of your voice to make it easier to absorb your undoubted scholarship and knowledge.
This is probably the best explanation I've heard so far on the subject. Well done.
very well constructed and performed lecture. really argued clearly but without "dumbing things down". thank you so much for taking your time to do this. i hope your confidence in your abik
+treizeheures I'm relieved I didn't do any dumbing down that's what I was scared I'd done for the whole lecture XD Thank you xxx
You speak at such an excellent speed and prosody for my brain thank you
Gods, I'm a sucker for that accent. Great rundown. Beautiful metaphor with the match (I will steal it in my asocial pretentious rant-turned conversation). A little rough on some cuts in editing but a nice first. Good luck, cheers!
I don't and probably never will study literature theory, but I love reading and I love learning and I absolutely loved this lecture. :) It was so interesting and amazing and I'm so proud of you for getting this series started, Cinzia!!
+Amenah Thank you for being so adorably supportive
I watched this and I don't think I understand anything more about post-modernism than I did when I started.
Which I guess is pretty post-modernist.
"The flickering ..." brushing up on post modernist understanding of society while looking into your eyes,, glad this isn't an actual class room. ^^ Thx Cinzia from the past (now self employed editor)
Many intelligent comments below. Some more than others. My advice in mentally separating modernism from post modernism is to analyze Lyotard's descriptions of both in his book, The Postmodern Condition, which you can most quickly access from Wikipedia. For the record, that book was the first to use the word "postmodern" out of the context of art criticism, and it was written in '79. Prob more recent than some would assume. The next philosophical landmark for postmodernism came as recently as '91 in the form of "Postmodernism, or, the Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism" by Frederic Jameson. My own summary: cultural turn toward general skepticism of centralized or authoritative truths that enabled the tragedy that was the twentieth century. Although some people still believe these things so we still have race supremacy, nationalism, and class based guilt
Thank you for your time!
Thank you, Cinzia, for all the hard work and nerves and strength you put in this! You did so good! We are talking about it at Uni at the moment and I really did find that very helpful! And I genuienly admire how you got through it and I hope one day I find the strength to overcome obstacles like you did.
+Silke Maria You're so RIDICULOUSLY kind thank you so so much
I saw the thumbnail and I was like "I hope she has a british accent" (for some reasons). I was not disappointed.
Unemployed = British.
Lmao same
Got 20 seconds in, realised I could understand what what happening, then rewound
Been looking through a few of these differentiation videos, and this was the most helpful, thank you 🙏🏼
Terrible Voice!
This was so fascinating, @C. A. Dubois! I really enjoyed this lecture - you're fantastic at it, and every engaging and interesting. Keep it up, girl! I loved your analogy of the match, and the flickering flame of the modernist period. I recently read T.S. Eliot's "Selected Poems" which had the poem "Waste Lands" and I think that is very true. I'm still not 100% sure I understand the post-modernist theory, but somehow I have the feeling that is the point, that everything is relative and abstract, and there can be no universal truth, etc.
Ooh, Victorian Literature would be a topic I'd be really interested in, as well as the Enlightenment and Medieval literature. Also, I think it would be interesting to hear more about how the novel came to be, and structuralism vs. and post structuralism - wow, so many exciting possibilities and topics! I am excited!
Thank you so much for doing this, Cinzia!
Great video! I think that William S. Burroughs pretty well summed up postmodernism when he said "Exterminate all rational thought."
I really enjoyed this lecture it was a great introduction of a subject I was not familiar with. I hope you make more of these because I'm sure that a lot of people will find it helpful and interesting
+Doublethink92 I hope I can continue to make these too & make them better
Love this. So easy to digest but still contains highly complex thoughts and features! Looking forward to the rest of the series!
Fantastic video, so interesting and informative. Can't wait for the rest of the series - you're totally rockin' it!
+Claire Quigley (ClaireQuip Reads) Thank you Claire darling xxx
You explained that far better than any of my lecturers ever did.
Wonderful first lecture - you spoke with clarity and enthusiasm and those 13 minutes and 33 seconds went by very quickly! Looking forward to more. Well done!! :)
+Kelsey Lee Bless you thank you so much for always being so epically beautiful and kind to me Kelsey
C. A. DuBois Aw thank you for the sweet words, Cinzia. Your videos have done a lot for me, so of course I'm ready with pom poms any time you need a cheerleader!
dont know why you were worried, this is wonderful, thank you~
Right!?
+opaltintedglasses I was just scared it was very 'basic' information and wasn't worth anyone's time! But thank you so much xxx
+C. A. DuBois (The Petite Britette) it certainly is worth everyone's time!! I'm a first year uni student and we haven't properly started studying literary theory and movements yet, this is a very helpful starter, thank you so much!
+C. A. DuBois (The Petite Britette) it may sound basic for you but for those who don't study English Literature (or better said, literature written in English) it is quite useful, so please, let's start with the basics and then we can move onto deeper analysis. So I'm with @opaltintedglasses in this, it is wonderful indeed. And quite enjoyable. Thank you so much
You're not doing me a favor by editing out all the pauses in your lecture.
Interesting. Editing out all the pauses works very well for Philip DeFranco, who has over five million subscribers. However he doesn't portray himself as a philosopher. It could involve different expectations from different audiences.
Erwin Woodedge They're not pauses being edited out. They're different takes stitched together.
I agree, though; it's very hard to follow.
It would be a lot easier if she slowed down a bit. The content itself is very clear.
Agreed!
It’s an autistic movement
Thank you for explaining post modernism without completely criticizing it the whole time!! Subscribedddd
You're welcome (:
This was fantastic, Cinzia. Well done.
+Better Than Dreams Thank you so much :D xxx
That was lovely Cinzia, I know you found this really difficult to approach but it was so interesting and simple to understand. Having only studied science at a university level this is something I'd not had the chance to hear about before so thank you. :)
what a good explaination.. thanks.. relating art to philosophy is the way to understand what's going on..
Everything is amazing. But one thing that I would suggest is if you can speak a little bit slower. Love your explanations
TL;DW: Modernism = Fascist Left; Post-Modernism = Liberalist Left.
(I could add:
Kitsch = Ancap;
Neo-Romantism = Traditional Right.)
You explained this in a way six 12 page articles and a written lecture from my college professor didn't. Thank you! I feel like I have a slightly better grasp on this subject. :) I love how you used plainer language, or as plain as you could.
great lecture- not a topic I knew anything about before this video :)
+themoonlightgirl13 Awesome!! Thank you for watching
Watched the first few minutes and there seems to be a confusion between modernity and modernism. Modernism was either completely opposed to modernity or at the very least radically critiquing modernity. Also Woolf was deeply influenced by Joyce, and her quoted vulgar comments reflect anxiety of influence: Mrs Dalloway comes out of Ulysses.
I didn't realize Sandman would be considered a post-modernist work, but to be fair, I don't have much knowledge of literary movements. Interesting stuff.
I'm a philosophy student, so anything and everything that concerns itself with philosophical writings is interesting to me really :)
This whole series is a really lovely idea btw!
+foreverVanney :D Thank you xx
For those complaining that the speaker is talking to fast you can change the speed to 0.75 from the cog menu. ;)
I'm not entirely sure if I completely understand the difference but this was still wonderful. You should be a professor :)
+The Written World well perhaps it's a very good job I got rejected to do a PhD because I wouldn't have been a very good professor if I didn't explain things well enough so they we're understood XD but thanks for watching xx
I merely meant that it is a difficult subject out of my area of expertise and therefore hard for me to understand. Didn't mean to imply anything about your teaching abilities. Sorry if it came out that way. I did enjoy the video and thought your explanation was really good. xx
Oooh, please do a video on structuralism and post-structuralism! This was great.
+homefreylf Oh man, I've just seen the reading list and I'm so excited, thank you!
Thanks for this Cinzia, for someone who knows absolutely nothing about this, you kept me engaged and I learnt a lot. Look forward to the next one :) xx
+Prina Sumaria Thank you so much Prina
Thank you very much the understandable explanation of the differences. I was lost until I watched this video!!!!!
The speed of light in a vacuum is constant is a Universal Truth of the Universe and those that claim that the speed of light in a vacuum is a social construct are not the ones measuring it!
This was so fun and informative! Thank you so much for all your hard work on this! You are amazing at explaining abstract concepts in a really clear and comprehensive manner, so don't worry about anything! ;) Here's one subscriber who is eager for more! Thank you again! xx
Perhaps you mentioned this briefly (I’m a bit sick and having trouble concentrating) but after listening to you I went and read GK Chesterton’s “Heretics” and the picture he offers of the intellectual world of the early twentieth century is fairly postmodernist according to what you’ve said here. As he puts it, you almost expect to hear from every man you meet, “Well I may not be right but this is my opinion.” In the book he criticizes many intellectual figures and movements both apparently modernist and postmodernist. Particularly Bernard Shaw who he depicts as a modernist posing as a postmodernist (The Golden Rule is that there is no golden rule of course is self contradictory and has nothing to do with how Bernard Shaw actually thinks, despite his espousing it). It seems to me that postmodernism was part of modernism from the beginning. That is there was always a struggle between individualist and universalist views.
Anyway you might read Chesterton, he’s the great neglected mind of the twentieth century and both witty and insightful and advocates what he calls orthodox Christianity as the only correct answer because to his mind it allows the world to be real and offers an adventure to every soul. To him the best point of view should be something that has everything in it and finds adventure in daily life. His books “The Man Who was Thursday,” “The Napoleon of Nottinghill,” and “The Ball and the Cross” are both hilarious and brilliant. His satire of the Tolstoy pacifists in a the Ball and the Cross is particularly poignant as well as his satire of Nietzsche in the person of the bloodthirsty yet cowardly professor.
I love this! Great and concise explanation of both. Love your channel!
Thank you, anna!
So cool, thanks! May I suggest though, that you speak more slowly, and use a lapel mic. The reverberance in the room and the speed with which you deliver these complex concepts make the video difficult to follow and understand.
proud of you for getting this up despite all the setbacks. I look forward to more :)
+Hannah Rishel Thank you Hannah
I think the best way forward, is the way in which most end up being happy. If you constantly look for that which is wrong, all you will see is a world that is wrong. But if you look at what seems to make people happy and focus on flourishing this, then you will have a better world. :)
@@az0r22 You can be a dog if it makes you happy.
That was brilliant !
I follow you on twitter and instagram so I know it was a real struggle to edit and upload that video. Congrats Cinzia :) !
I loved it and I'm even more excited for your next lecture now !
I've had classes on that subject but I never understood the difference between the two until now. You are so passionate and interesting you would be a wonderful lecturer ! I really hope you'll do your Phd one day :).
Have a good day xx
+ifmarybooks Thank you SO much Mary!! Sadly I'll never be trying for a PhD again but it means a lot to me to think I may have made a good lecturer should I have pursued the PhD. Thank you so much for your love and support xxxx
Thank you for the briefing of postmodernism! =) I am still a modernism I would say - thats for the great explaination!
Very entertaining presentation. So refreshing and enlightening. New subscriber from down under!
I love you!
Emy, I love you! ❤
I love you ridiculous amounts too Emy! Sending beautiful and happy vibes to Paris xxx
Business student here, wish u spoke slower as it was very hard to understand some areas. thanks
Wow she talks fast
take notes
It’s an autistic movement.
@Daniel D. that part...
I love this!I would also love it if you had a couple of pages of notes or points from your lecture that we could print out and absorb as a slower pace.Can't wait for the next one though!
+notLola If I have the time in the future I'll try to but I'm afraid I'm working on a novel as well as applying for work so for the first few I'm afraidI won't have time to but I shall keep it in mind! Thank you
This is fantastic!!! Please please keep making videos like this one!
+Alex Cano I shall!! :D Thank you
your way of speaking made me watch the video 4 times to understand it Haha , now I almost took all these information by heart ... Thank you !
Listening and grasping what your saying is like riding a bull hard to hang on.
This is amazing. I'm very, very excited about your lectures. Thank you so much for the efforts you put into this! :)
+Iva S. Thank you so much xxx
You are so well spoken, and you sound very knowledgeable of what was being talked about in your video. Could you possibly do a video on Egyptian Philosophy? Any aspect of it would be really interesting to me. Keep up the great work girl!
Clearest understanding of the two. Super informative, thanks for the clarity!
Couldn't one contend the match is the REALITY and the problem being all the changing, flickering identities which look at it are the problem.
Admittedly, this is the Wittgenstein 'language-game' problem, at it's core, which Lyotard picks up and others treat over time as well.
Well done Cinzia! In a nutshell, I found your presentation quite informative and enjoyable to watch. Thank You for the list of readings. I think now I have some idea of what the modernist / post-modernist arguments are about. Cheers. Dan.
modernism like pre modernism still has values and axiomatic principles and rules that define art while still being able to explore new frontiers of the unknown to build on and expand on an established and rich foundation on what defines art. postmodernism is built on the philosophy of french interlectuals that there is no valid axiomatic principles only infinate interpretations thus they kicked out the rich foundation completely in order to allow "boundless creativity" in exploring relative interpretation. the problem with that is yes there are infinite interpretations but only a small number of interpretations that work, this is why you go to a doctor of modern medicine over a voodoo Doctor because the axiom of medicine is to preserve and improve health and one achieves the objective more then the other, the problem with boundless creativity is it requires 0 creativity because creativity is bound by a set of rules or boundaries to think and move your way through in new and profound ways, its like playing chess without rules or an objective, if I'm playing a grand master within the boundaries of chess I need insane levels of creativity to win within the rules, if I play without rules or objectives creativity is no longer defined. This is why art galleries are mostly full of undefined rubish that most people outside of a niche market of "people educated in the arts" look at it apathy and confusion as apposed to the jaw dropping awe and admiration one use to get looking at dali.
I'm not a postmodernist but they were right to be skeptical about universal truths. I think the problem is that we confused "universal" with being "objective" when the two are not the same.
So, what I understood is that:
modernists believed that through their own search of meta hierarchy, they can reach the meta truth, or the next best thing, where postmodernists not only rejected that, but thought that humans are heroes of their own narratives but also the puppets to their surroundings. Seems to me that postmodernists were trying to "free" men from the shackles of hierarchies but also did that in a way that destroyed human agency (with the exception of bureaucratic, capitalistic engines). So, what sense does that even make? Humans who have no agency are shaped by the systems that they've built?
If I don't discover/research postmodernism that means I am following someone else narrative - imposing of modernism using postmodernism technique?
What post modernism does is it takes essentism and, through observations performed during modernism realised that there is a nature versus nurture continuum in our lives that goes beyond what our parents teach us. An essentialist might say that girls wear skirts because that is what girls are inclined to do and that pink is a girls' color because girls are drawn to it. These statements are statements of universal truths which post modernism eschews. A superficial yet earnest but of research into these concepts would demonstrate that pink used to be the color of baby boys until color photography and that throughout history it hasn't been only girls wearing skirts.
Society has a deep indoctrinal influence on our thoughts, our tastes, our feelings. That is the reality that post modernism acknowledges by saying that we exist in the context of our world.
Deconstruction is taking the metanarrative you exist in and taking it apart to see it's effect on you and society.
It's not that there is no agency, it's that agency is always influenced, even from before birth.
I don't think girls wore pink because they liked it, more because they thought men liked it. Same thing with perfume. @@snowburnd
@@snowburnd Agency is influenced but it’s not created through the world in of itself which is why I find a lot of postmodern positions to be very impractical when it comes to political discourse. Because the postmodernist will assume that whatever issues arise must be a form of social conditioning which can be unlearned and reprogrammed yet this completely unravels the existence of social based problems in the first place.
In example, if gender is just a social construction of how society views males and females, in your own example girls wearing pink skirts and boys blue pants, then if my daughter told me that she wanted to be a boy, instead of jumping to gender Dysphoria and socially transitioning her, It would be postmodern approach to keep her a girl but let her experience being a girl differently, like letting her wear more blue pants. But obviously this doesn’t work because Transgenderism isn’t merely not being comfortable with the expectations of your sex. It’s a psychological state where you are significantly distressed about your sex and want to live your life as the opposite sex, regardless of the social expectations of the opposite sex. If being a boy meant wearing skirts and playing with dolls a transgender female will want to be boy just as much as if being a boy meant wearing pants and playing with dump trucks. Because it’s not about the social expectations but the biological and psychological misalignment.
This is where I find postmodernism falling apart. Because if things are a social construct then you would expect, in controlled social settings, that you could manipulate these elements and in some cases you can, some thing are a social construct, such as clothes. But there are certain elements that you can’t manipulate through social means and the postmodernists can’t agree if or where that’s true. Such as the idea of gender. If gender is a social construct, it’s just as some of these radicals claim that there are millions of genders and you can simply identify as transgender on the spot with no need to transition or even get evaluated. If you say you are trans, you are, no matter how little you feel about gender at all. But that doesn’t match the reality that trans people need hormone therapy and surgeries. And that’s where a lot of things start the roll down hill from what I can see.
That’s just what a I’ve noticed though.
Thank you so much! I've been struggling to grasp these two concepts for so long and I just haven't been able to been able to identify the core themes in each individually but you explained them so well, I feel like I finally understand ^.^
This really helped me understand the similarities and differences of the movements. Thank you!
Everything you say sounds smart
Wow! An amazing first lecture. Keep up the good work.
As an Art History student, this was super helpful! Looking forward to your next lecture! :-)
+Layla Adams Awesome!! :D I'm so glad, thank you