Is 240Hz all you need? - AOC AG274QG
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
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There are a LOT of competitive monitors available around the $900 price point, but is 1440p 240hz the spec you should care about, or should you look for something different?
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0:00 This monitor has competition...
0:33 Included accessories
2:15 Unique stand
4:30 First look and Ports
6:33 Sponsor - Jackery
7:00 Checking out the settings
8:09 Our monitor has issues
8:45 Checking out the 240hz mode
9:38 Playing CS:GO
10:35 HDR impressions
11:07 Playing Tomb Raider
11:57 Local Dimming test and comparison to the competition
13:51 Outro Наука
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I honestly think 165hz is enough
@@justryan5697 if you have the build that runs 240+ then why settle for 165hz?
@@CRUMB. money that is another 900
@@CRUMB. you're right... but in the context of the video I don't think you "need" more than 165hz
If ur a tryhard and don’t have a job and all u do is play games competitively AND have the pc to run 240hz it’s definitely worth It.
For the USB port colours and their meanings:
Blue = SuperSpeed USB
Green = Qualcomm Quick Charge
Yellow = High-current or Sleep-and-Charge
So the blues are normal USB 3, the Green uses the Qualcomm Quick Charge standard (for quick charging your phone), and the yellow port is high current and/or sleep-and-charge where power will be available even when the device is off.
Thanks king!
I have this monitor and I've actually come back to this video specifically for your comment a couple of times now after I forget which ports do what lol
You guys need to make internal standards for monitor testing, always use the same content, test HDR with pattern images or with specific videogame scenes that you know are problematic, etc, keep it consistent so we can actually make an informed decision! BTW to answer your question, I'd much rather pay 700 for a Sony Inzone M8 with the same backlighting, same HDR capabilities, NO stand and like 1440p or even 1080p to make up for the reduced cost
Yes i think ltt lab will do this. Short circuit is primarly unboxing and initial impressions.
That's what RTings and/or the upcoming Lab data dumps are for, you should always cross-reference data across multiple places anyways.
I kind of agree. These semi-reviews aren’t very scientific and more reflect the presenter’s personal preferences.
Hardware Unboxed / Monitors Unboxed do a better job for monitor reviews-as do Rtings, as you guys mentioned.
ShortCircuit is always first impressions, not a full review.
This isn’t GamersNexus or Hardware Unboxed mate, it’s just ltt
Can you guys check out more “great value for the price” products?
Specifically a vertical monitor?
YEAH MORE BFB CON
I feel like what gets overlooked a lot is the range of G/Freesync with monitors above 120Hz. 120 fps is smooth enough, but a jump to 165Hz means it can double frames up to 83 fps which makes quite a difference in my experience
At 144Hz things start to become less significant. The multiplayer gameplay difference between 120 and 144 is a lot bigger than 144 to 165. I don't even care about anything over that because I can't hire an electrician to install a new circuit, pay for new AC duct work, and pay $1500 for a graphics card. There comes a point where high end turns into absurd.
@@Mr.Morden I just explained why 165 or 240 isn't as useless as you say it is. If you play games around 60-80 fps because your gpu isn't an RTX 3090, having a 165Hz monitor means that your monitor is running between 120 and 160Hz, which generally means picture quality and response times are much better than when it's running at 70Hz for example, which would be the case if it's 120Hz.
@@stefafets2 If your game runs at 70Hz and you have a Gsync / Free Sync monitor with a decent VRR, the monitor will only run at those 70Hz if G/Freesync is turned on, regardless of the monitor.
You can turn it off, meaning the monitor will run at full speed but would have to display frames multiple times. But this has the downside that you get stuttering and an more inconsistent frametime of the displayed frames.
If you activate G/Freesync and "limit" the monitor to the games lower 70Hz refresh rate, you will get a significantly smoother experience. When it comes to input lag, it doesen't matter if the monitor runs at 70Hz or it's full 120Hz / 165Hz. The time the monitor requires to draw new pixels or to swap colors will be the same.
@ I mean I thought I worded it pretty clearly, but what you say is incorrect. It might be a feature of Freesync premium pro only or something, but at low frame rates it will frame double or even triple, not drop all the way to 48Hz for 48 fps for example.
@@stefafets2 I was talking about 144 to 165 in multiplayer games. That's a much smaller delta and at 144Hz+ a much higher rate of diminishing returns begins to appear. In multiplayer games the character models at 144 and 165 are rendered in virtually the exact same spot having little beneficial effect on actual gameplay. Honestly though I'm so used to leading off at 60Hz it's not an issue for me.
The Nerdforge PC in the background is awesome!!
I ordered one of these a few months back and it arrived with a defective panel (there was a whole column of pixels stuck on red). Interesting to see even a big review outlet had an issue with these.
If I had to choose between 10-bit 144 Hz vs 8-bit 240 Hz, I would take 10-bit color any day.
Without a shadow of a doubt, I'd do the same. It makes for a far more well rounded package.
@@KFC-Warrior 10 Bit only helps in 10bit content. Most games and videos are 8 bit so, 255 red/blue/green values. 10 bit is best for hdr.
@@KML3rd Lovely, thank you very much.
hdr is useless
I have a 240Hz monitor, but only because I had to replace a failing monitor in the height of the pandemic shortages. My options were low-end office drone monitors, or spend more than I wanted to on a 240Hz monitor, as all of the 120/144/165Hz models were out of stock in the size I was shopping. I don't regret it, but I also wouldn't consider it an essential feature and would gladly step down to 120ish for my next monitor if all of the other specs were right.
agreed. I got a shitty VA 240hz 1080p monitor and would love to change to a 144 or 165 hz 1440p or 4k display. I wouldn't even mind going for a 1080p 240hz again but the VA panel is horrendous. The black smearing is super noticeable and the pixel response times are terrible. Biggest mistake was getting a VA... really regret it because the smearing is extremely noticeable. Looking to upgrade soon...
@@doomed_to_fail Bruh ,VA monitors with the exception of the G Odyssey series from Samsung are terrible. If i may suggest, fast IPS are basically better than any 240hz TN on the market right now and they don't break the bank. But my next upgrade it's gonna be a 2k 240hz OLED screen , i don't think anything can beat perfect motion clarity at such high frame rates. If you want to splurge that's what you have to buy
@@A.Froster I'm looking to upgrade to something like that as well, hopefully an Ultrawide, but it seems no one apart from LG and some other are making 38" monitors which I really like, and especially not in OLED/QD-OLED
@@A.Froster Totally agree. I made the mistake of not doing enough research in 2020 when I bought the monitor. I was looking for something 240Hz below $500 and I saw one and bought it not knowing the true drawbacks of a shitty VA panel. I have seen people say that the G Odyssey series is good for a VA panel, but honestly I don't trust VA's anymore, the smearing is something I'll never un-see and I refuse to buy into it anymore. Ill definitely being going for a fast IPS as the IPS panel is by far the most popular right now not taking into account OLED screens. I found a blur busters approved monitor and found many good reviews on the product, here it is: ViewSonic XG2431, only drawback for me personally is that its 24" and I cannot seem to find the 27" variant anywhere in Aus stores. But that's not even a huge issue and Im completely fine with that. Right now its out of stock pretty much everywhere, its listing for $500AUD.
I might place a preorder around Christmas time to see if it drops in price.
With the current prices I think the sweet spot is 1440p 165HZ.
It gives you decent refresh rate and resolution. Unless you really have the money, I wouldn’t go any higher, but maybe in the future it changes.
I bought xb271hu for like $600 1440p 165hz over 4 years ago. But it's 27 too small then I bought 32inch last year 1440p 144hz LG32gk650f for $330. It's cheap now. Might as well go 240hz.
some 1440 165 are the same price as the samsung odyssey line.. the G7 is a very good price for 1440 240. far better then this aoc one
1440 p is awful imo, went for the 4K 144hz 28 inch odeyssy and it’s shocking how sharp it is next to my 27gl850
@@thor8334 wouldn't say awful tbh but compared to 4k it's obviously bad but it's a great sweet spot for most people. I got 4k 240 odysaey neo G8mainly cuz I have the money and well just do 🤣 that's my future proof monitor
Gigabyte fi32q or the m32q is nice to. Got the fi32q for €350 from amazon in europe. 4k is nice to look at but you need a high end card above 3070ti to get the frames.
I've never noticed much visually going from 165 to 240, but I can definitely feel a difference in inputs. Playing siege and csgo for reference
I played SplitGate which was super easy to run so it was basically locked to 240 FPS all the time, then after a few hours went back to Quake Champions where I was around 150 FPS, and it felt more choppy even though it was stable 150 as I had locked it to that so it wouldn't be jumping to higher rates, then drop a lot again. I think it's a case of you won't notice it in a side by side comparison, but if you use it a lot, you will notice going back. But is it really worth it then?
After 144hz its easy to argue diminishing returns, I'd say 165 is the sweet-spot nowadays. After that it's 90% placebo and nobody can convince me otherwise.
@@Skyflairl2p i play valorant and cs and at 240hz i can hit shot a lot better than at 144. Its an effect rather than something i can say i feel the difference
@@Skyflairl2p I can actually tell the difference. It's the feeling of the mouse movement rather than the visual difference. - How I know is when I play Apex, I'd suddenly feel some sluggishness and when I check the frames its always the culprit, with frame drops at like 170-200 being noticeable.
@@BIGBAWSYY You're talking about a completely different metric here though. Framerate =/= Refresh rate. System responsiveness is the culprit there, obviously more frames is better, but more hz past maybe 165hz is placebo at best.
But hey its your money anyway, im not saying "dont buy expensive monitors" rather, don't explicitly look for refresh rate - it's generally speaking not important after what is the standard already (144-165hz)
The inzone is the obvious pick between the two. Bad stands (and it is most certainly bad) can be worked around without much trouble
Yeah you can get a monitor stand using vesa mounts for like $20 on Amazon
Intel used these monitors in their ARC Bus\Truck. They are very nice, good image and smooth. They used arms and the blinders. Very good overall, no reports of bad DP from them.
What monitors do you have in the background? Please tell.
I love how the character on the box is just t posing lolz
Looks like I'm still going to have to wait on that monitor upgrade
Surprised they didn't review the 274qzm. It's the same 1440p 240hz but has hdr 1000 instead of 600.
Thanks Lew from Unbox Therapy!
I have a pair of AOC 1080p monitors I bought from Walmart for $30 a piece six years ago. Other than the color calibration of one of them going off, best money I ever spent.
If it's 8 bit + FRC it should still say 10 bit like the Samdung Odyssey G7 does. If it says 8 bit, you're not getting FRC. That sounds like it's an issue.
I might end up buying this monitor so I'd really like to know if it supports 10 bit (8+FRC) colour at 240Hz?
What's that glowing building model in the background?
The curve sucks, but ignoring the HDR thing, the Odyssey G7 1440p monitors I feel like are superior and cheaper at least in the US. I have had one for over 2 years and other than the curve being annoying + scanline issue, the monitor has been awesome. Stand is a bit much though on the 27" which is the one I have.
I love my G7 personally, the scanlines are noticable maybe once a week on a thumbnail but it doesn't bother me or effect the games I play so it's worth it. Will not be upgrading until it dies or 27" 240hz oled.
Just buy aw2721d when discount
@@jaccckky8978 yep, thats the one, i bought the alienware, g7 and the lg 4k 144hz/166hz OC, played for 2 days straight on all of them, kept the alienware, g7 looks sooo washed out, lg was amazing tho but i only play cod thats why i didnt keep the lg.
Love my g5 34" curved not a single issue
@@jaccckky8978 yeah for the most part I love my AW. But I also hit the panel lottery and have literally almost no ips glow and no backlight bleeding at all.
gonna stick with my 27" odyssey G7 until 2nd or 3rd gen QD-OLED panels
Small number of dimming zones can be worse than 1, when going over with mouse and you see areas lighting up so clearly
Can I install a stand for two monitors on this monitor?
3440x1440 120hz baby.
Nice review bro
That HDR Impressions section was odd because with how crisp the image looked from the off angle, you could almost say it was superimposed over a greenscreen. Monitor technology is such a crazy deal now, those prices included.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO EARLY FOR LMG CONTENT OMG IM FREAKING OUT YAYYYY AHHHHH
Yeah so, does it only pivot one way? I noticed trying to pivot it the other way never worked and you kept having to pivot it one direction only. If so, this becomes a worse option for a lot of people imo because having it as a vertical monitor you ideally want the bezel to be as small as possible next to your main display as well as keeping access to the osd/power button. Effectively this would only work on ONE side of a main display, not the other.
Headphone stand on the side is a pretty neat feature... until it breaks...
Samsung odyssey g7 has a 1440p 240hz for less then 900. Was a review done on that?
Does anyone know if this monitor has pixel clean (after 500h) like other models? I see only pixel refresh. Not any info of cleaning?
Isnt riley gonna do a video about the pixel 7 ?
i thought the thumbnail was unbox therapy 😂
I own the aw2721d, pretty much the same display and I wish I just got an ultrawide monitor with less high framrate tbh
How can the HDMI 2.0 be used for this monitors 240hz? I'm confused, I thought it needed to be 2.1
had to check my play speed settings. he sounds like he just drank 5 cups of coffee and had somewhere to else to go to.
guys help, why this monitor is not with other monitors on freesync website? i mean all g-sync compatible and g-sync monitors had freesync-compatible or freesync premium. But this one is not there (i don't see it at least). Can someone help me understand why is that and if its bad considering other Agon monitors that i consider have freesync
Yellow usb is ussually charge/sleep and charge. Green is qualcomm quick charge if I'm not mistaken
Yep, I think you're right.
Why use the wrong ufotest to determine blur??
There's an error in the title. Title says AOC AG274WG. Should be AOC AG274QG.
Tiny slipup, as you got is right everywhere else (in-video text and description) and it's easy to fix. So no big deal, in an otherwise fine video.
But you guess NEED to include the panel type in the introduction of the monitor. You tell us it's 1440p 240 Hz. But I'm 5 minutes into the video without hearing that the monitor is IPS. I paused the video and googled the monitor to find out if the monitor was VA/IPS/TN etc.
Because the "wrong" panel type "makes or breaks" if this monitor is even relevant for me to consider buying. Other reviews normally include this in the beginning/introduction.
What monitor is he referring to in 12:40?
What monitor is best to pair with the RTX 4090 GPU ?
One thing that annoyed me insanely much when buying my 240hz HDR monitor(alienware aw2721d) is that i didn't know that it didnt supoort 240hz with HDR enabled... i had to choose between 144hz 10/12bit HDR or 240hz SDR
Hi could you guys review the huawei mateview gt 32 from huawei it seems to be very good for the price it's a 32inche utra xide 1440p 144hz at 500€
I had the same problem with DP on AOC 4K monitor.
I notice a good difference between 120 and 240, UFO test or in a game. But I've been on high refresh monitors for a long time now.
I think it would be dece to have a dece counter! Thanks!
900 USD for a 144 or 240hz monitor with the only real benefits I see being the resolutions or the fact it probably has a good ips panel.
It can't be just me that thinks that is just.. so... stupid. Its so high priced I could get something like the Samsung g9 neo or other ultra wides for the same price, or get literally two mid range (if you would call it that) LG 240hz 27 inch IPS monitors for the same price. I'm just shocked.
I have a PD AOC 1440p 240hz 1ms panel that I got for under 700. Price seems high for something they’ve already done.
Can u get 120fps on this monitor on Xbox series s or x
1:40 this may be a revolutionary idea… try throwing away some of the Allen keys
How many games go 240 frames per second? 2?
Why didn't he use the LTT screwdriver at the beginning?
I think both monitors mentioned are bad for that price. for just $100 more you can get the 34" QD-OLED from Alienware. Then you don't have to wory about dimming zones. On a side note, I learned nothing about this monitor that I would not have learned by reading the spec sheet on it at Bestbuy. Unless LTT is planing on becoming an advertising company you really need to standardize your process.. You should not be giving your opinion about the monitor you should be showing the viewer what is good and what is bad. In this way the viewer can make an informed choice as to wether or not they should buy that monitor. Should I save up and buy this thing or should I limp my current monitor along a little further till something better comes out. maybe my monitor just died and i need to know what the min i can pay now and still get what I need untill my finances get betting so that I can buy what I want. That is what a reviewer is there for. Otherwise you just a commercial for me to skip waiting for Linus's next video.
Those external control pucks are a godsend for a multi-monitor setup, because the control nipple is too far from the bottom of the monitor.
That box seen better days
High refresh rates aren't just for motion clarity. It's about latency, too. And those benefits extend to games not played at or beyond those framerates as well.
i upgrade my monitor from 27 inch 144hz to a 32inch 240hz and honestly speaking i do notice the difference in input since i play game such as cs, apex, valorant, warzone. HOWEVER, i would always recommend my other friends to take ANY kind of monitor as long as it is above 120hz until 170hz with non-tn panel. Then telling them the extra cash should go for a better ram, storage, graphic card, aio, motherboard or case.
because 240hz probably for ppl who have a high end gaming system and want to bump up all those graphic to ultra max while maintaining high fps. especially if u using rtx 3090 in a 1440p resolution.
144hz for me is more than enough. at this point what i really need is better panel tech, rather than higher resolution and refreshrate.
That’s why I do all my PC gaming on an LG C1. 4K, 120hz oled panel that looks gorgeous. Also has black frame insertion which is really nice. Gaming monitors are overrated and overhyped IMO.
C2 can get even smaller sizes like 42 inch.
That's why I'm only considering mini-LED screens now...
What the hell happened to that box?
That thing is 900 dollars?! I got the Odyssey G7 32” for half that price and that’s also 1440p 240hz and has 10bit color
When I bought mine I didn't know my cpu couldn't do 240hz so it's still sitting in the attic somewhere until I upgrade to a newer generation.
@3:12 He says he has small hands and stuffs his thick fingers into the stand 😂
I like how on the box the swords-woman is just A-Posing.
Do most people even play past 1080p?
I love the fact that the cyberpunk PC's getting screen time instead of laying in a warehouse with an inventory number (with components gutted for other purposes).
I have a 1440p and its 165hz and it's great price for performance
Agreed. I'm using ultra wide 1440p 165hz, even my 11 year old daughter has had 1440p 165hz Acer Predator for 5 years now
I have a Monitor from this Brand 1440p 165 Hz and I Like the osd Puck. I mostly use it to Change the brightness to Not disturb my wife when sehr already sleeps. There are programmable hotkeys for the osd so that ist nice.
can dp 1.4 can run 144hz at 4k
You should test the AOC AG274QZM though ! Its this but Mini LED. Far more interesting
But back to this unboxing, i don't understand, there are other 240hz 1440p monitors for a bit over half that price point, what am i missing here? Gigabyte M27Q X, Alienware AW2721D (Also Gsync ultimate), Samsung G7, and some others. They all range from 500 to 700$
Why's that thing 1k ?
AOC 24G2U 23.8' 1080p 144hz 1ms IPS Freesync bought this for €219 (euro) back in covid era and it is simply amazing!
of course at that time I was using my puny GTX 1050 Ti (because covid) but even now that I upgraded to a used GTX 1060 6GB (160 euro) I still don't get that high fps in games LOL!
the only games I can go 144fps easily is CS:GO/Overwatch/LoL but other games like Cyberpunk2077/Spiderman/SIFU/NFS:Heat I am just happy with just over 60fps which is still playable!
maybe down the line I might spend more euros and upgrade to something better like a GTX 1080 (300 euro) depends on what I find at that time :)
I forgot this dude's name but his reviews on this channel are so nice and in depth.
is he on Aderal?
I remember when short circuit use to be short
From what i know blue ones are just usb 3.0 or 3.1 or whatever, green is for nvidia reflex to connect a mouse for ultra low latency and yellow is a fast charging port
I'm pretty sure that's for Qualcomm Quick Charge. There was even an option in the OSD menu for it in the video. I think you can use any of the blue USB ports for reflex.
everyone talking about high refreshrate and 4K. and here i am with my old 1080p 60hz monitor, happy as ever
900 bucks?! Is 240hz really that expensive, or is there much more going on? I'm running a 27" 1440p HDR LG monitor and it was around the $350 range IIRC. I could see 500 ish for 240hz, or maybe 900 if it was 240 and 4k. What am I missing?
still going on 144hz and i dont see any reason to go past it or at least past 240, like do you really need 360hz monitor
At this price point, I don't care if the monitor wouldn't directly benefit from a higher end display point standard. It would be great to see display port daisy chaining present
Today for those that play online fps and appreciate extra clarity definitely good choice.
Just waiting for OLED to catch up... LCD is so meh.
Considering i use a 144Hz monitor and didn't notice Skyrim was running at only like 55fps until i randomly pulled up the Nvidia controll panel thing about 70 hours in, i DEFINATELY need one.
i got a dell monitor for 230 euros on sale 1080p, 24.5 inch and 240hz!
I got an Acer XZ321QU 32” 1440p 144hz monitor for around $350, I wouldn’t pay anything close to $900 for this what are they thinking? Should be maybe $400 especially a cheaper brand like AOC
i got a Acer Predator X27??? and its 27", 4K, Gsync Ultimate, 144hz, 4ms response time, and pro level color accuracy. It cost me $1,300 2 years ago, but god damn i love this display and will be rocking it until it pukes
Just do what my dad does and put all your allen keys in a bundle holding it together with a rubber band that's definitely from the Cold War times and when you need a certain size you just fiddle for half an hour to find the right one! (:
Usually yellow usb ports deliver power even when device is off.
When I moved from my old 4K panel at 60 HZ that was more of a cinema display and I moved to a 144 HZ 1440p panel for gaming, it was a huge and I mean absolutely huge difference in gaming. Not only did gaming performance increase massively but it was just so much more fluid
The difference from 30 to 60 is like the difference from 60 to 360. So it makes a huge difference for sure. So yes you do want a higher refresh rate monitor. Its the same as back in the day when people said 30fps is good enough, 120 is good but the higher the better and it does matter in competitive games, outside of those 60 fps is acceptable for most things.
Depends on the person. 120 to 144 *matters* a lot to me.
60fps is literally not good enough for me to play many games. One example you probably know is Doom Eternal. 120 wasn't enough. 144 barely is. But at least its barely. If it dips my brain can't process whats going on and it becomes massively overwhelming and MLs become unbeatbale.
@@Wylie288 You have to understand that what you are experiencing and ruining your game is the dips not the 120 fps. So if you try locking it at 120 instead of having it flactuate between 120 and 144 you should be fine. The difference is very small so im 100% thats your issue. As for 60 fps sure its way worse than 120 and 144. If you were used to 360 fps i would understand seeing 144hz barely good enough but if not its a little weird.
LOOKS PRETTY DEECE
Still using the IIyama 40inc 60fps at 4k can not get higher.
50 Allen keys? How many monitors are you buying?
What if the monitor cost like 400?? Is it worth it?? 🙏🏽
It depends. At 4K in games like AC Odyssey, Forza Horizon 5, and CB 2077 I can’t max out the frame rate of my 144HZ display even with a binned and over clocked 3080.
The difference of motion clarity between 30, 60, 120 and 144 fps is easier to understand if you think about the frametimes. At 30 fps a single frame takes 33 ms to update, at 60 fps 16.7 ms, at 120 fps 8 ms and at 144 fps 6.9 ms. Going above 144 fps you are reaching the point of diminishing results just because human perception starts to limit your ability to see individual frames when they are shown for just a couple of milliseconds. At 240 fps a frame is shown for 4.2 ms, which is half the time for a frame at 120 fps, but just 4 ms less in absolute value (30 fps -> 60 fps is a 16 ms difference).
If anyone responds, This vs PG279QM (I know my own info but I want to see what others think)
I bet the old panel wasn’t broken I bet they just didn’t configure the settings in nvidia control panel
Yellow is usually high powered and green usually means faster data (3.1) vs a normal (blue) usb port
No, green is Qualcomm Quick Charge, and yellow is indeed high current USB, or sleep-and-charge USB.