When ex-army feel the need to let everyone know, they're out; I feel the need to let them know that this isn't an airport and they do not need to announce their departure.
They never were a bts fan. The way they kept bringing BB up over and over told that they really were not. Plus we knew who this person was and their blog and twitter past was available to us and they were never a bts fan by what we found there.
@@nikki4nooAlso, NYT actually sought out someone who was known to dislike BTS and tried to pass them off as a K-pop expert. They knew exactly what they were doing.
Every time I hear that Justin Timberlake exchange from the podcast my mind is still absolutely blown that she said WITH HER ENTIRE CHEST on a NEW YORK TIMES PODCAST “why would I listen to a Korean do mainstream pop when I can listen to an American doing it.” Like that shit is so racist I need to go lie down. Literally equating “weirdness” to “Koreanness.” That whole line of thinking from western kpop stans is so openly fetishistic, xenophobic, racist, and orientalist that I can’t believe it’s such a widely accepted discourse. Like sorry BTS doesn’t fit into the teeny little box of what a white westerner has deemed “sufficiently weird Koreanness” for her to be entertained by. …..sorry for going off, that podcast just made me so mad 😅
and then the double standards when she started talking about the country sounding k-pop song that was "pretty great".. gurl, i guess to re-quote what she said, 'why would I listen to a Korean do country music when I can listen to an American doing it' 😭she contradicts her own points so many times, i got mad too- 😂 the racism was strong in that statement, i had to walk away from my screen then come back 😂😂😂
@@prinnn435it’s because she only enjoys kpop groups attempting more rigidly western genres when it’s like a cute little failure that she can be condescending about
Funny they don't say the same shit about many of the top artists that are charting in the USA but are not Americans. Not even talking about the ones who are from Canada or from the UK, but other artists that were born in other countries but that are so integrated in the American industry that they pass as American. If they look "white" or from America (not indigenous, or Mexican, or Asian), then they pass as American, so they are accepted. That's the most xenophobic and racist shit ever, and they admit it with their full chests!
they hate jungkook cause my dude beat them at their own game, he went to their house and showed them all the things they don't do with their appliances. he outsang them, outdanced them, outperformed them. she's like "if i wanted an american singer then i would listen to an american singer" and it's true because she's clearly xenophonic, i know for a fact that if today an american male singer came out and did exactly all the things jungkook did she and a lot of americas would be on it so fast, but because it was a korean guy doing it she hates it and americans ignore it
The host on that podcast honestly reflects something that I notice A LOT with ex-Army or people who CLAIM to be Army while clearly not having done any actual consideration on BTS’s musical identity. The idea that whenever BTS release a more up-tempo song with a positive message, that they’ve somehow LOST their identity as a group. Which is ridiculous, because BTS has ALWAYS alternated between that and the grungy or moody vibe songs. People complained during DNA, they complained during Boy with Love, they complained during Dynamite and Butter and Permission to Dance. I only became and Army during DNA era, so they could have complained before, but EVERY TIME BTS had the audacity to make a fun title track, someone ALWAYS had to complain and insist they’re losing their artistic integrity. Like DAMN, fun things are okay, just say that you’re an edge lord, or say that you prefer darker concepts, it’s okay! Just don’t insist BTS is turning their backs on their artistry just because you aren’t paying attention! They’ve always done this, No More Dream was edgy, but Like was also right there! N.O was dramatic and deep but Attack on Bangtan and If I ruled the World were RIGHT THERE! And they ALWAYS DID THAT, people just didn’t notice Fire and Dope were upbeat and positive because they had more of a club vibe. People claiming they had LOST their integrity during Dynamite? DAMN they were miserable during the pandemic too and they just poured all of their energy into making a masterclass album they don’t get to even tour! Butter and Permission to Dance were them selling out after seeing how well Dynamite did? JUST BECAUSE YOU IGNORED LIFE GOES AND BE DOESN’T MEAN THE REST OF US DID. So yeah, whenever BTS makes their title track something fun with good vibes, be prepared for people claiming they lost their way and are selling out because it happens every damn time and it’s just as stupid every single time
The Life Goes On and BE erasure irks so much!! I also joined during DNA era and I noticed that the argument that BTS “lost their identity” comes back a lot, just like every other kpp argument are recycled every two business days. So tiring and boring😅
@@littleponeybeyts5420 UGH yes, especilaly all the Kpoppies who LOVE to insist that BTS could only get #1 on the BB100 because they sang in English, like, dude, they still did it in Korean with a sentimental fucking ballad and zero radio support none the less, like that's a fucking HAT TRICK There are so many leftovers who claim that BTS lost their way who in reality can't admit that an aesthetic mattered more to them than the richness and diversity of their art. It's almost funny how they repeat the same washed up, obviously false arguments on a loop while claiming BTS are the ones who aren't original and are just following the crowd.
That montage of “Boom shakala, bang bang bang” 😂😂😂 That’s exactly why I stayed away from K-pop for a long time. Finding BTS was so refreshing. And I come from first gen K-pop where we had no RUclips or Spotify. Just bootleg CDs.
29:32 nikki collabed on idol, coldplay with my universe, halsey with boy with love, lauv with make it right, aoki with mic drop and a couple others , jk and charlie puth, snoop dogg & benny blanco with bad decisions. I think those are the collabs shown. There are more too 💜 Eta: mugshot mv is butter, dream sculpture mv is fake love
26:05 considering the hate they got from their debut and first couple albums for their “different” message, I’d say they were different from the get-go
that guest in the podcast is what we call a leftover, someone who becomes a hater and leave the fandom to go to another kpop fandom. to me they're just mad their faves did not get as successful as bts lol also that host's opinion about butter is craaazy cause butter is not their first english song, dynamite is. if he wanted to have a problem with bts why not during dynamite? why hate on this really good song that they got an standing ovation for at the grammys. i'm not saying dynamite is not good, i'm just wondering why the host decided to have a problem with butter
Oh I can tell you EXACTLY why Butter pissed him off so bad, because Butter being at number one for ten non-consecutive weeks- because of the iconic Butter-Permission to Dance baton pass- basically proved that if a non-industry backed artist got enough a big enough and determined enough fanbase, then they could undermine the decades of insistence that if you didn't play by the industry's rules you didn't get to succeed. Butter was a GIANT middle finger to all the people who were so sure they could make sure BTS couldn't succeed in the West. Dynamite? They could maybe try to claim it was a one-off fluke, and insist that BTS was past their prime as long as they didn't do it again, maybe even throw in them not having writing credits as an extra dig that they couldn't succeed without white people helping them. But Butter? That was peak Army is bullying the music industry behaviour and a lot of execs, racists and leftovers had a BIG problem with it.
It’s not even like BTS have “changed” or forgotten about their fans or something now that they’re huge. They are STILL the same people, they’re still making fan songs, still singing in Korean, still exploring new genres like they always have and still maintaining an endlessly thankful and humble attitude towards their achievements, when honestly if I were them I would be absolutely insufferable about the shit I did with zero industry support. The narrative that BTS aren’t what they used to be is false and yet another attempt to take away from and downplay their seemingly impossible organic success.
i legit have a playlist of 500 kpop songs excluding BTS. 97% songs by girl groups, i love girly pop, it makes me extremely happy. And although i absolutely adore girl groups like LOONA, aespa and NMIXX, although i've listened to a crazy amount of groups to get to know kpop, although i've watched other groups content like vlogs, variety shows and live performances, i too think BTS is the best and i don't think any group's changing that
I especially like the 1st topic Boracity brought up. This is exactly how I feel about the K-pop industry. After the shock value and interesting promotion content, there is only the artists’ artistry left to keep your interest. I became involved with K-pop in 2018 and now only follow Mamamoo (And some XG’s songs). I was never interested in boybands so I don’t have a lot of knowledge on BTS, but I think that’s a good thing. Thanks to that experience, I’m not influenced by the public’s opinions in 2019-2021 which enjoys hating on everything BTS do. Now, with an outsider kind of mindset I find myself interested in the boys’ works on my own, which truly showcase what Bora talks about. I have to give credit to the Tribe Leader because you’re a big part to why I’m watching BTS content. 👏 👏 👏 P.s. Indigo deserves her Grammy!!!
I always appreciate how self aware and reflective you are. I've said this before and I'll say it again lol. I'm super realistic about my consumer habits. I might not love BTS as intensely as I do now in the future. But I've learned that loving BTS is easy. Being army is.. difficult. BTS are exceptionally inspiring and accessible, but they are not the end all be all of my life. We all balance this thin line of fan and fanaticism. All this to say, I appreciate jonathan for drawing the line at reacting to content just bc we want you to do it (etc). You're always gracious about trying it out, and I'm happy you're honest with us. We just want to enjoy things together with you :)
Also! BTS took all those years to continue grow. They didn't force themselves nor did their company force them to be the best, the current day BTS, from day 1. They wanted to grow & that's literally so so important They knew what they had, they knew what they had to work on, they set their goal one at a time & grew organically As the famous Army joke goes, these other kpop groups, labels & fans are now talking about winning a grammy even without ever win an Inkigayo or mama
not u saying "I'll put u in my pocket if u dont drink water" reminded me of how Jimin put all of ARMYs in his pocket during one of his livestreams!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😅💜💜💜💜
10:43 the fact that you keep bringing them up (and that fact that I knew exactly what you were gonna say) IS HILARIOUS AND MAKES ME LAUGH EVERYTIME LMAO 17:20 I agree, RM, Suga and the rest of BTS always have a sense of passion when they talk about their music and are able to articulate what the music is and what they want it to represent (not to throw more shade to YOU KNOW WHO, but at least BTS can describe what their music is more than saying "its just a vibe, you know?" LMAO SORRY)
so swag indeed 💀 honestly tho, even if id like a song, if the artists themselves sound and look as if they'd rather talk about anything else, i wont appreciate that song as much and i most likely wont check out other songs. im so happy bts showed me that there are still artists and fans who genuinely care about the art and their OWN creation. wonderful. :)
True, even with non deep song like Dynamite, it's always with meaning and with the way they explain, we know that they are very involved in their music and know what they are talking about.
My take on Golden, and what I think the podcast people and so many others seem to be missing, is that Jungkook is showing off his versatility and his ability to make anything his own. Jungkook’s voice, his emotional intelligence when it comes to communicating vastly different and complex sensibilities, his musicality, his dancing, his unique character onstage and his overall artistry shine through even on songs he had no part in writing or producing, because Golden is an experiment on his ability to diversify and camouflage to the stereotypical pop genre and STILL manage to make it his own sheerly through his vocal and performance power. It’s insanely impressive and it’s an expression of his performative talents, as well as an exploration and a test of how far he can stretch himself as an empathetic recording artist and stage presence. And, as expected, he pulled it off effortlessly.
that prison story was funny 😭 bts' English songs had a purpose and it was releasd during the pandemic (with korean song Life Goes on thrown in there that literally went #1). throughout the years their songs have also had a purpose and was always relevant to the what they were dealing with or how to pick up everyone when they were down. the only difference is the genre but theyve been doing it from album to album😂
I’m so the same! I listen almost exclusively to rock/metal, not a huge rap fan, but BTS is the EXCEPTION. Rap line has given me a new appreciation of rap yet I STILL can’t listen to any other rap because I don’t vibe with it. I haven’t really delved further into K-pop apart from the odd Stray Kids song, I don’t need to, I honestly really think that BTS will be the only group I vibe with on such a personal level. The boys aside, ARMY is also a huge reason I say I’m in this for life, true ARMY represents the boys in every aspect from their kindness, humbleness and desire to make sure that people having a hard time are fully comforted and supported. I really don’t think anyone else really has the power to do that 💜✨
I knew about kpop in like 2010 when I started listening to 2NE1 and Big Bang bc of a friend but it was in 2016 when I discovered BTS that i dived deeper into kpop (listening to hundreds of songs, getting to know so many idols) and yeah, even if some few do participate in writing their lyrics like Big Bang, I’ve always found BTS pretty unique and special. Through the years I found out that so many songs and groups are just similar to each other and lack idk something. BTS may grew up in the kpop environment and they trained like a kpop group but that's it, BTS never got the kpop industry support and they had to find their own ways to do things and success instead of following the regular kpop way and of course bc they wanted to be different and share their own messages. They literally paved the way and they made it! that's why they are more than kpop.
The thing with kpop and kpop fans in general is that to them, everything is replaceable, and i believe thats their biggest issue with bts. It is extremely common for kpop fans to "ult" 3 or more groups, yet at the first thing they dont like or get bored at, they'll just move on to the next group of the moment and leave that other one behind; thing is, that never happened to bts. Bangtan built a strong and loyal fanbase throught their actual craft, its not just shiny visuals or a lucky catchy song, its actual passion for their work and a fanbase that will support and prioritize their artistic growth. Kpop fans hate the fact that bts' success wasnt just lucky timing or five minutes of quick fame, they hate the fact that they will always succeed because they actually have people tuned in no matter what direction they take. You will notice this trend when some other group gains at least some recognition, i can name sooo many examples. A group starts going sligthly viral and kpop stans will EAT it up and start discrediting everything bts has built so far, they will give out their "support" to this new big contender of hitting it big, yet this support is ALWAYS short lived and never truly blossoms. Its funny at this point. Oh, and lets not even get into what happens when the so called next big shot starts surpassing their expectations or their faves records, they will turn against them so fast lmfao.
Being a fan of BTS I agree. However, I also agree other idols are great too, but I believe our 7 have become the best because of their work ethic, individual personalities, humility, relatability, AND their amazing talents as a group and solo artists. As for the 2nd Bora video all I have to say is pfft! Girl please! BTS have surpassed the K-Pop pigeon hole. I love and respect their growth. BTS made me delve into the K-Pop industry and that’s how I heard Big Bang for the first time and many others. Loved and enjoyed the sound but BTS has such a wider discography and I rarely listen to other groups on the daily. Our 7 consistently receive ignorant critique from so-called Experts of KPop. But we know what it really is huh? Bora City articulates everything beautifully, unlike those two NY Times podcast, who are too lazy to do basic journalism research and present receipts; Bora always bring facts. LOVE!
1:00:35 Nah FACTS. You can't recreate *10 years of bts' success and hard work* in just *a few months* with a new group. time and hard work was put in by bts over the years and so trying to create something like 'the next bts' out of nowhere is like trying to replace gold for a piece of plastic.
I laughed so hard at that comment about the guy wanting to know what the K stands for lmaoooo Also I remember when this came out, and that account LITERALLY blocked p much every ARMY before that episode even dropped. I’d never even heard of that account and I was blocked. She knew we wouldn’t be happy 😅 one of the more cowardly things I’ve seen. Love your Boracity reactions!
bts: exploring new genres while not yet having global dominantion the bb stan: yeah not bad bts: exploring new genres while reaching the global domination the bb stan: no they are going to far with this! stop pretending it's about genres jeez 😂
I think there’s a lot of KPop groups who would have found a lot more success in the west if they stopped trying to aim for making KPop mainstream, to stop trying to carve out a place for the industry in the west. But if they instead focused on getting the attention of people in the west who are already fans of specific genres of music that they make, like KPop is not a genre of music, it’s an industry and a style of presentation more than a sound or a music style. Like there a lot of groups who you could take to an EDM audience in the west, who could market themselves as “hey, they make really good EDM music and BONUS POINTS they’re also crazy dancers and have really cool music videos. They’re Korean btw.” That would involve companies loosening the reigns on the groups to let them develop their own sound and stop chasing whatever market trend they think is about to hit, so it’s unlikely it’ll happen, but I think it’d work a lot better. I wouldn’t say that means the artist has to limit themselves to JUST that genre, they can experiment and diversify, but they have to have a specific sound to they can identify what market they’d appeal to. That way they can go to specific festivals or approach specific markets with their signature sound, and then at their specific concerts they can show their full range. Or establish their base in one genre and then expand from there to reach a wider market appeal while still honouring their roots. I will admit it would be harder for pop-focused groups to make an impact with this strategy. Because pop is generally the automatic mainstream of the US, which means you’re competing with the biggest and most established artists with the biggest fandoms and the most funding. To become part of that scene, the mainstream, you have to beat every other act at their game and prove you deserve to be there. Which is something that BTS, despite not really being a pop group even if their pop songs have been their biggest hits in the USA, have really only been the only ones capable of doing it. These other pop groups honestly are actually doing the right thing by marketing via TikTok because their key demographic is likely to be quite young, like a fun dance and a cute but ultimately not the deepest song meaning, with a catchy tune and with an aesthetic style of fashion the fans can want to and might try to recreate. There’s nothing wrong with that type of music or marketing, it absolutely has its place and tbh is way too disrespected, like anything that is genuinely FUN is- like how not every movie HAS to be dark and gritty, just let me watch Bring It On and Legally Blonde and label them as the cinematic masterpieces they are- but it is a niche audience to appeal to all the same. Not every artist can be BTS, the same way not every artist can be Taylor Swift or Beyoncé or Michael Jackson or the Beatles etc. and most companies are screwing their artists over by trying to push them to be.
17:07 I agree with you but I still want to add something. Just my opinion but I think bts are extremely crazy about art, like CRAZY crazy, not just passionate. Even in Suchwita with Tablo, he said no one talk about music as much as them. It lowkey reminded me of the insanity of actual artists towards their art, like Picasso, Da Vinci or Mozart. I know they are friendly and all, but when I watched documentaries about their artistic creating processes, I got goosebumps and kinda scared to see how obsessed they are over their creations. They always talk like their whole life depends on music and performances and to think that they’re being 100% honest, wow… (the song black swan is a testament to that but you’ll get to it later Tribe Loui, lol). So yeah, other performers and groups may be good and hard-working, but they lack the actual insanity bts has.
Boracity's take on that podcast is interesting. She summarized everything I was thinking when I listened to the entire thing. I have a close relative who have an extreme bias against Bts. They're not a fan of kpop, but they seem to dislike that Bts is my favorite . And that That favorite is mainstream now. When listening to the podcast, their words were similar to what my relative says against Bts. They pretend to acknowledge Bts' success and then try to compare and use other artists, western artists and other kpop artists, to belittle Bts.
Ex bts fans say they're leaving like being part of the army is a cult and it's the most traumatic thing they've been through 😭. "im leaving the magic shop 💔" like ok? We dont care lmao
That second video had me rolling with laughter. That woman speaking is the quintessential ex-Army. 😂😂😂 that part where she said why would she need a Korean sounding like Justin Timberlake? Maybe because Jungkook sounds better than Justin Timberlake nowadays? Just my opinion. 😂😂😂
Youre experience is the same as mine, i didnt want to get into kpop either because of all the stuff ive heard about it but i kept seing and hearing bts on my fyp, and i gave up, that was the best decision ever. Their music made me fall in love the more i listened the more i loved it and i quickly realised they are differents from the rest.
She really doesn’t have a grasp on reality (“Kpop expert”). Her comments on TXT are laughable, from memory they have actually had more success in the west (not just US) than big bang. Plus big bang will not be releasing any more music as a 4 member group since G Dragon has left YG & he was their main producer. She is in denial
But seriously! What stops someone from enjoying different groups and genres of music at the same time? At least where I'm originally from (🇩🇴❤) we had artists from all of latin America and Spain coming to our country. We enjoyed all that variety of music and still love our Merengue, Bachata, etc. Variety enriches our lives. Yet, everyone is allowed to be picky, because, there really are some that are best at their craft 😉
I'm still vastly amused on that podcast that they completely ignored Dynamite (and Life Goes On). Experts that forgot their first no 1 and then the first ever Korean language no 1. Both of these songs predate Butter and Butter relates to Dynamite.
what u were saying at like 7:00 had me thinking about some reactors ive heard listen to a song and be like "wow i really like this one, id actually add it to my playlist" and it had me thinking like... are yall listening to all this kpop music, saying u like it and then not listening to kpop at all outside of videos? idk if im weird for being put off by that 😭
this! there will be these channels where they praise the group when they do the reaction and then the next video on a different song by that group comes out in like 3 months and it’s clear that they have not listened even to the song they reacted to previously, let alone researched basically anything else about the group…
That’s because a majority are lying for views. Some of the bts reactions popping up out of nowhere the past year, they barely even bother to look at the screen anymore, or they talk through it, or ask for comments or likes or subs, or straight up ignore the lyrics or captions. They don’t CARE. lol and people fall for their crap so that they can monetize and move to Patreon after like 18 videos. A ton of them have already seen other reactions. Where do you think the idea to start bts reactions came from? “People want me to check these guys out“ what people? All of your viewers despite you just starting a channel?
I know what you mean. Reactors seem shocked that BTS are good and get out their phone to 'prove' they are adding it to their playlist. Very cringy. Before I subscribe to any BTS reactor I look at their channel, what they have said in the past, what free BTS content are they charging for on Patreon! This is why I only subscribe to Louis and Shiki. That is it.💜
@@farawaykin yeah, like it'd be one thing if they listened to all kinds of music and aren't as into deep-diving into artists/fandoms, but if your content is centered around /kpop/ then you should put more care into those things I think !!
No one compares because they stepped out the box..and PD wanted them to..he gave them the room to grow..why they are artists not just a boy band.and all of them have their own style they interesting and damn magical..
Just seeing you pointing out Mamamoo a few times in the beginning makes me miss you reacting to them, seeing your brain break every time you look at Hwasa is just SO FUNNY. I know your main focus is BTS, and I will NEVER complain about that, but Mamamoo have never had a single miss, and given it’s been nearly a year since you last reacted to them, I think it would be fun for you to bring it back, there’s so many bops you haven’t got to yet. May I suggest: -Delcalcomanie -Taller Than You -Piano Man -Dingaa -Paint Me -Ah Oop! -Don’t be Happy
Oh and kpop groups have been doing English songs aimed at the US market way before Dynamite But they call BTS sellouts cuz BTS were the only successful in doing that That's why they're unhappy
They really have trancended to all areas. They hold almost all the records for global reach. For example on itunes Taylor Swift just barely took the top spot from RM for album with the most countries where it hit #1 almost the whole rest of the list is BTS and its members. Nobody else I've seen has their global reach and across so many generations. I turn 50 this year, I'm at a fairly high level in my field of biotech professionally. And I used to list my favorite group as Tool. But they broke down my preconceptions and teach me so much. And cant be fabricated and all 7 are as equally talented but not in the same ways. As far as who goes as deep the only other kpop groups I am into are TXT alot but not a full MOA. They are very creative and not at BTS level but close to me, Seventeen who are great but not always to my taste.
this host and guest are just the typical people who want to be different. liking small, niche artists is cool, it makes them special or whatever their idea is. the amount of people with this mentality really leave me bewildered.
Bora taking shot at anti with hard facts... Tribe loui: Jimin could step on me 😊 Sir CALM DOWN!! I mean I get it tho 😂😂 Missed you tribe leader, hope you're doing well and having a great day 💜
There used to be ex army group therapy every month on Twitter a couple years ago. Literally every month we'd see the same complaints of why some lewsers are BTS and other ex armys cry with them. Good.god
bts definitely love music and want people to know they love music and it's all team work as well cause at the beginning there were different levels of interest in music and then the ones with the highest interest would tell the others to listen to music to really get into it, idk if i'm misremembering this but im pretty sure they would even scold them lol
Genuinely such a red flag when "fans" drop their faves once they blow up. U spend years bitching about "my fave is so underrated 😢" and once they finally start getting paid its "theyve changed" "bring back the old xyz" . Unfortunately this is how the majority of kpop fans are, ESPECIALLY western kpop fans who like to feel superior for stanning a niche and "exotic" band. Gross mindset tbh and im so glad atleast majority of army didn't do this. The ones that did like to spend their days sitting in the corner and seething over how bts isnt their quirky little asian secret anymore lol
I can’t get into other idol music really, despite giving it a fair shot. However, there are other Korean artists that I really like, such as Colde, Aeon, Paul Blanco, and Wave to Earth. I found the first 3 through BTS and had a student recommend Wave to Earth to me. I’ve really gotten into them lately. I highly recommend. 💜
I think another point is that, yes, bts may not have the 'best' dancers, singers or rappers in the whole world on a techical skill/ talent based comparison. But their effort, sincerety, creativity and consistency, combined with their individual talents/passions and arguably insane stage presence certainly is incredibly unique and artistically also far more important than simple 'skill'. Combine that with their genuine efforts to always do their best, to show their true selves, to be happy and to share a positive message? That is not something you can copy and paste like the music industry is trying to so desperately
Bigbang's fandom is VIPs. If you ever get curious and decide to listen to some group or solo songs, I'm here for it. I'd especially recommend "If You" in Bangkok.
your voice is so soothing I love listening to you talk about the most random things. really liked hearing your thoughts on the boracity videos! the reminders to drink are also really cute (if you don’t mind being called cute?) and make me smile, so thanks for that as well.
59:48 you know ohtwr than the fact that your reactions and love for bts is genuine I also know your love for music is also genuine. I've been getting into your other music reactions and I know or I can gauge how much you enjoy music and not to mention your own music
10:33 istg everyone knows them but i’m always taken aback when shit like this happens irl ASKJSKJS we were doing renovations in my apartment literally last month and when the painter was working on my room he had to take down a few of my posters and i could hear him going “aren’t these the korean dudes?” to my mom - mind you, i’m in brazil, and the dude was like 35 - and my mom answered very enthusiastically and they had a quick chat about it lol i was listening half-asleep like ???? reminds me of a friend of mine that lives in a very small town and told me he heard ‘i need u (urban mix)’ playing at the grocery store 😭
I always find hilarious these kpop journalist that always talk sht about BTS and clearly act like haters bc they are biased, many have their favs and that's okay but many look bitter bc "my favs should have what BTS have instead". I'm sorry but that's just life. Maybe they will have the opportunity in the future or maybe not but denying reality and literally history seems so crazy to me. And it's so funny to me seeing people criticizing BTS so much for a couple of English songs saying "they don't like that direction" while literally ignoring the hundreds of previous korean and japanese songs and the ones that they released in between and after. BTS experimenting with generes and concepts is nothing new, so yeah they are not doing that only for western validation.. maybe they think in that way bc kpop usually follows the trends without any own artistic direction. Get over the BTS English songs come on lmao. Remember everyone complaining about Butter bc it was pop and literally ignoring the whole BE album in between? 😂 Make no sense BTS became the biggest group in the world without any industry support and they did that coming from a small company while struggling financially, so if they are at the top is only because of their music, talent and artistry. 🤷♀
Even tho I don't really like much of other kpop groups music i do enjoy watching their fun moments compilation videos and i think you might enjoy that too, Loui. SHINee and Stray Kids are just such fun groups to watch😂 or the "Kpop iconic moments" are also worth checking out imo hahaha since kpop is more than just the music n.n
if you proclaim yourself some kind of music expert and don't even know Aoki and then also claim his music irrelevant because you don't listen to EDM bro I don't want to listen to your opinions 😂
When ex-army feel the need to let everyone know, they're out; I feel the need to let them know that this isn't an airport and they do not need to announce their departure.
They never were a bts fan. The way they kept bringing BB up over and over told that they really were not. Plus we knew who this person was and their blog and twitter past was available to us and they were never a bts fan by what we found there.
THIS.
@@nikki4nooAlso, NYT actually sought out someone who was known to dislike BTS and tried to pass them off as a K-pop expert. They knew exactly what they were doing.
That prison story made me cackle bro, the fact that they've heard of BTS while in prison for 8 years, shows they've come far😭
BTS literally surpassing barriers lol
💀🤭🤭🤭🤣🤣🤣🤣🫰🏽💜💜💜💜💜💜💜🇧🇷
Every time I hear that Justin Timberlake exchange from the podcast my mind is still absolutely blown that she said WITH HER ENTIRE CHEST on a NEW YORK TIMES PODCAST “why would I listen to a Korean do mainstream pop when I can listen to an American doing it.” Like that shit is so racist I need to go lie down. Literally equating “weirdness” to “Koreanness.” That whole line of thinking from western kpop stans is so openly fetishistic, xenophobic, racist, and orientalist that I can’t believe it’s such a widely accepted discourse. Like sorry BTS doesn’t fit into the teeny little box of what a white westerner has deemed “sufficiently weird Koreanness” for her to be entertained by.
…..sorry for going off, that podcast just made me so mad 😅
That quote literally made my mouth drop. WHAT THE ACTUAL F...
and then the double standards when she started talking about the country sounding k-pop song that was "pretty great".. gurl, i guess to re-quote what she said, 'why would I listen to a Korean do country music when I can listen to an American doing it' 😭she contradicts her own points so many times, i got mad too- 😂 the racism was strong in that statement, i had to walk away from my screen then come back 😂😂😂
@@prinnn435it’s because she only enjoys kpop groups attempting more rigidly western genres when it’s like a cute little failure that she can be condescending about
Funny they don't say the same shit about many of the top artists that are charting in the USA but are not Americans. Not even talking about the ones who are from Canada or from the UK, but other artists that were born in other countries but that are so integrated in the American industry that they pass as American.
If they look "white" or from America (not indigenous, or Mexican, or Asian), then they pass as American, so they are accepted. That's the most xenophobic and racist shit ever, and they admit it with their full chests!
@@rkivelover its awful😵💫😭😭😭i wonder how the new york times even found this individual😩
they hate jungkook cause my dude beat them at their own game, he went to their house and showed them all the things they don't do with their appliances. he outsang them, outdanced them, outperformed them.
she's like "if i wanted an american singer then i would listen to an american singer" and it's true because she's clearly xenophonic, i know for a fact that if today an american male singer came out and did exactly all the things jungkook did she and a lot of americas would be on it so fast, but because it was a korean guy doing it she hates it and americans ignore it
Petition for Indigo win a grammy. Agreed.
The host on that podcast honestly reflects something that I notice A LOT with ex-Army or people who CLAIM to be Army while clearly not having done any actual consideration on BTS’s musical identity. The idea that whenever BTS release a more up-tempo song with a positive message, that they’ve somehow LOST their identity as a group.
Which is ridiculous, because BTS has ALWAYS alternated between that and the grungy or moody vibe songs. People complained during DNA, they complained during Boy with Love, they complained during Dynamite and Butter and Permission to Dance. I only became and Army during DNA era, so they could have complained before, but EVERY TIME BTS had the audacity to make a fun title track, someone ALWAYS had to complain and insist they’re losing their artistic integrity. Like DAMN, fun things are okay, just say that you’re an edge lord, or say that you prefer darker concepts, it’s okay! Just don’t insist BTS is turning their backs on their artistry just because you aren’t paying attention!
They’ve always done this, No More Dream was edgy, but Like was also right there! N.O was dramatic and deep but Attack on Bangtan and If I ruled the World were RIGHT THERE! And they ALWAYS DID THAT, people just didn’t notice Fire and Dope were upbeat and positive because they had more of a club vibe. People claiming they had LOST their integrity during Dynamite? DAMN they were miserable during the pandemic too and they just poured all of their energy into making a masterclass album they don’t get to even tour! Butter and Permission to Dance were them selling out after seeing how well Dynamite did? JUST BECAUSE YOU IGNORED LIFE GOES AND BE DOESN’T MEAN THE REST OF US DID.
So yeah, whenever BTS makes their title track something fun with good vibes, be prepared for people claiming they lost their way and are selling out because it happens every damn time and it’s just as stupid every single time
The Life Goes On and BE erasure irks so much!! I also joined during DNA era and I noticed that the argument that BTS “lost their identity” comes back a lot, just like every other kpp argument are recycled every two business days. So tiring and boring😅
@@littleponeybeyts5420 UGH yes, especilaly all the Kpoppies who LOVE to insist that BTS could only get #1 on the BB100 because they sang in English, like, dude, they still did it in Korean with a sentimental fucking ballad and zero radio support none the less, like that's a fucking HAT TRICK
There are so many leftovers who claim that BTS lost their way who in reality can't admit that an aesthetic mattered more to them than the richness and diversity of their art. It's almost funny how they repeat the same washed up, obviously false arguments on a loop while claiming BTS are the ones who aren't original and are just following the crowd.
You absolutely COOKED with this comment🙌
i agree with you - megan thee stallion AND jimin can both step on me lmaooo
No cuz megan be hitting with the looks
Peak bisexuality (I agree with you 1000%)
bro getting stressed about bts clips he has never seen as if he was not doing it to himself 💀
That montage of “Boom shakala, bang bang bang” 😂😂😂
That’s exactly why I stayed away from K-pop for a long time. Finding BTS was so refreshing. And I come from first gen K-pop where we had no RUclips or Spotify. Just bootleg CDs.
I completely understand because I did the very same thing.
29:32 nikki collabed on idol, coldplay with my universe, halsey with boy with love, lauv with make it right, aoki with mic drop and a couple others , jk and charlie puth, snoop dogg & benny blanco with bad decisions. I think those are the collabs shown. There are more too 💜
Eta: mugshot mv is butter, dream sculpture mv is fake love
26:05 considering the hate they got from their debut and first couple albums for their “different” message, I’d say they were different from the get-go
The one in prison? Guaranteed RM-biased.
that guest in the podcast is what we call a leftover, someone who becomes a hater and leave the fandom to go to another kpop fandom. to me they're just mad their faves did not get as successful as bts lol
also that host's opinion about butter is craaazy cause butter is not their first english song, dynamite is. if he wanted to have a problem with bts why not during dynamite? why hate on this really good song that they got an standing ovation for at the grammys. i'm not saying dynamite is not good, i'm just wondering why the host decided to have a problem with butter
Oh I can tell you EXACTLY why Butter pissed him off so bad, because Butter being at number one for ten non-consecutive weeks- because of the iconic Butter-Permission to Dance baton pass- basically proved that if a non-industry backed artist got enough a big enough and determined enough fanbase, then they could undermine the decades of insistence that if you didn't play by the industry's rules you didn't get to succeed. Butter was a GIANT middle finger to all the people who were so sure they could make sure BTS couldn't succeed in the West. Dynamite? They could maybe try to claim it was a one-off fluke, and insist that BTS was past their prime as long as they didn't do it again, maybe even throw in them not having writing credits as an extra dig that they couldn't succeed without white people helping them. But Butter? That was peak Army is bullying the music industry behaviour and a lot of execs, racists and leftovers had a BIG problem with it.
It’s not even like BTS have “changed” or forgotten about their fans or something now that they’re huge. They are STILL the same people, they’re still making fan songs, still singing in Korean, still exploring new genres like they always have and still maintaining an endlessly thankful and humble attitude towards their achievements, when honestly if I were them I would be absolutely insufferable about the shit I did with zero industry support. The narrative that BTS aren’t what they used to be is false and yet another attempt to take away from and downplay their seemingly impossible organic success.
loui: are you drinking your water?
me: i'm fasting bro..ain't none i can do about it.
After your fast we’re drinking double the water
Drinking water is allowed while fasting
@@AlexaOleksa no it's not 😂
@@AlexaOleksa stop saying nonsense
They're not fasting like intermittent fasting, friend. Fasting for Ramadan doesn't allow for drinking water during the fast@@AlexaOleksa
saying that txt didn't take off is crazy lol
right? like they aren't one of the biggest groups. They literally were the highlights of lollapalooza
18:42 THE GASP I GASPED PLSSSSS- 😂😂 Nah that cut off made it even more funnier 😭
i legit have a playlist of 500 kpop songs excluding BTS. 97% songs by girl groups, i love girly pop, it makes me extremely happy. And although i absolutely adore girl groups like LOONA, aespa and NMIXX, although i've listened to a crazy amount of groups to get to know kpop, although i've watched other groups content like vlogs, variety shows and live performances, i too think BTS is the best and i don't think any group's changing that
I especially like the 1st topic Boracity brought up. This is exactly how I feel about the K-pop industry.
After the shock value and interesting promotion content, there is only the artists’ artistry left to keep your interest. I became involved with K-pop in 2018 and now only follow Mamamoo (And some XG’s songs).
I was never interested in boybands so I don’t have a lot of knowledge on BTS, but I think that’s a good thing. Thanks to that experience, I’m not influenced by the public’s opinions in 2019-2021 which enjoys hating on everything BTS do. Now, with an outsider kind of mindset I find myself interested in the boys’ works on my own, which truly showcase what Bora talks about.
I have to give credit to the Tribe Leader because you’re a big part to why I’m watching BTS content. 👏 👏 👏
P.s. Indigo deserves her Grammy!!!
I always appreciate how self aware and reflective you are. I've said this before and I'll say it again lol. I'm super realistic about my consumer habits. I might not love BTS as intensely as I do now in the future. But I've learned that loving BTS is easy. Being army is.. difficult. BTS are exceptionally inspiring and accessible, but they are not the end all be all of my life. We all balance this thin line of fan and fanaticism.
All this to say, I appreciate jonathan for drawing the line at reacting to content just bc we want you to do it (etc). You're always gracious about trying it out, and I'm happy you're honest with us. We just want to enjoy things together with you :)
I agree
Also! BTS took all those years to continue grow. They didn't force themselves nor did their company force them to be the best, the current day BTS, from day 1. They wanted to grow & that's literally so so important
They knew what they had, they knew what they had to work on, they set their goal one at a time & grew organically
As the famous Army joke goes, these other kpop groups, labels & fans are now talking about winning a grammy even without ever win an Inkigayo or mama
a leftover will tell you they’re an ex army before they say their name 😭😭
"Leftover" HELPP 💀💀
not u saying "I'll put u in my pocket if u dont drink water" reminded me of how Jimin put all of ARMYs in his pocket during one of his livestreams!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😅💜💜💜💜
omg, me too 😂
@@flyfire9633 🤣🤣🤣🤣
10:43 the fact that you keep bringing them up (and that fact that I knew exactly what you were gonna say) IS HILARIOUS AND MAKES ME LAUGH EVERYTIME LMAO
17:20 I agree, RM, Suga and the rest of BTS always have a sense of passion when they talk about their music and are able to articulate what the music is and what they want it to represent
(not to throw more shade to YOU KNOW WHO, but at least BTS can describe what their music is more than saying "its just a vibe, you know?" LMAO SORRY)
so swag indeed 💀
honestly tho, even if id like a song, if the artists themselves sound and look as if they'd rather talk about anything else, i wont appreciate that song as much and i most likely wont check out other songs. im so happy bts showed me that there are still artists and fans who genuinely care about the art and their OWN creation. wonderful. :)
True, even with non deep song like Dynamite, it's always with meaning and with the way they explain, we know that they are very involved in their music and know what they are talking about.
My take on Golden, and what I think the podcast people and so many others seem to be missing, is that Jungkook is showing off his versatility and his ability to make anything his own. Jungkook’s voice, his emotional intelligence when it comes to communicating vastly different and complex sensibilities, his musicality, his dancing, his unique character onstage and his overall artistry shine through even on songs he had no part in writing or producing, because Golden is an experiment on his ability to diversify and camouflage to the stereotypical pop genre and STILL manage to make it his own sheerly through his vocal and performance power. It’s insanely impressive and it’s an expression of his performative talents, as well as an exploration and a test of how far he can stretch himself as an empathetic recording artist and stage presence. And, as expected, he pulled it off effortlessly.
that prison story was funny 😭 bts' English songs had a purpose and it was releasd during the pandemic (with korean song Life Goes on thrown in there that literally went #1). throughout the years their songs have also had a purpose and was always relevant to the what they were dealing with or how to pick up everyone when they were down. the only difference is the genre but theyve been doing it from album to album😂
They are and always have been - music & artists for healing.
I’m so the same! I listen almost exclusively to rock/metal, not a huge rap fan, but BTS is the EXCEPTION. Rap line has given me a new appreciation of rap yet I STILL can’t listen to any other rap because I don’t vibe with it. I haven’t really delved further into K-pop apart from the odd Stray Kids song, I don’t need to, I honestly really think that BTS will be the only group I vibe with on such a personal level. The boys aside, ARMY is also a huge reason I say I’m in this for life, true ARMY represents the boys in every aspect from their kindness, humbleness and desire to make sure that people having a hard time are fully comforted and supported. I really don’t think anyone else really has the power to do that 💜✨
I knew about kpop in like 2010 when I started listening to 2NE1 and Big Bang bc of a friend but it was in 2016 when I discovered BTS that i dived deeper into kpop (listening to hundreds of songs, getting to know so many idols) and yeah, even if some few do participate in writing their lyrics like Big Bang, I’ve always found BTS pretty unique and special. Through the years I found out that so many songs and groups are just similar to each other and lack idk something.
BTS may grew up in the kpop environment and they trained like a kpop group but that's it, BTS never got the kpop industry support and they had to find their own ways to do things and success instead of following the regular kpop way and of course bc they wanted to be different and share their own messages. They literally paved the way and they made it! that's why they are more than kpop.
The thing with kpop and kpop fans in general is that to them, everything is replaceable, and i believe thats their biggest issue with bts. It is extremely common for kpop fans to "ult" 3 or more groups, yet at the first thing they dont like or get bored at, they'll just move on to the next group of the moment and leave that other one behind; thing is, that never happened to bts. Bangtan built a strong and loyal fanbase throught their actual craft, its not just shiny visuals or a lucky catchy song, its actual passion for their work and a fanbase that will support and prioritize their artistic growth. Kpop fans hate the fact that bts' success wasnt just lucky timing or five minutes of quick fame, they hate the fact that they will always succeed because they actually have people tuned in no matter what direction they take. You will notice this trend when some other group gains at least some recognition, i can name sooo many examples. A group starts going sligthly viral and kpop stans will EAT it up and start discrediting everything bts has built so far, they will give out their "support" to this new big contender of hitting it big, yet this support is ALWAYS short lived and never truly blossoms. Its funny at this point. Oh, and lets not even get into what happens when the so called next big shot starts surpassing their expectations or their faves records, they will turn against them so fast lmfao.
Being a fan of BTS I agree. However, I also agree other idols are great too, but I believe our 7 have become the best because of their work ethic, individual personalities, humility, relatability, AND their amazing talents as a group and solo artists.
As for the 2nd Bora video all I have to say is pfft!
Girl please! BTS have surpassed the K-Pop pigeon hole. I love and respect their growth. BTS made me delve into the K-Pop industry and that’s how I heard Big Bang for the first time and many others. Loved and enjoyed the sound but BTS has such a wider discography and I rarely listen to other groups on the daily. Our 7 consistently receive ignorant critique from so-called Experts of KPop. But we know what it really is huh?
Bora City articulates everything beautifully, unlike those two NY Times podcast, who are too lazy to do basic journalism research and present receipts; Bora always bring facts. LOVE!
1:00:35 Nah FACTS. You can't recreate *10 years of bts' success and hard work* in just *a few months* with a new group.
time and hard work was put in by bts over the years and so trying to create something like 'the next bts' out of nowhere is like trying to replace gold for a piece of plastic.
I laughed so hard at that comment about the guy wanting to know what the K stands for lmaoooo
Also I remember when this came out, and that account LITERALLY blocked p much every ARMY before that episode even dropped. I’d never even heard of that account and I was blocked. She knew we wouldn’t be happy 😅 one of the more cowardly things I’ve seen.
Love your Boracity reactions!
bts: exploring new genres while not yet having global dominantion
the bb stan: yeah not bad
bts: exploring new genres while reaching the global domination
the bb stan: no they are going to far with this!
stop pretending it's about genres jeez 😂
29:09 calling Chris Martin Steve 😂😂😂😂
I think there’s a lot of KPop groups who would have found a lot more success in the west if they stopped trying to aim for making KPop mainstream, to stop trying to carve out a place for the industry in the west. But if they instead focused on getting the attention of people in the west who are already fans of specific genres of music that they make, like KPop is not a genre of music, it’s an industry and a style of presentation more than a sound or a music style. Like there a lot of groups who you could take to an EDM audience in the west, who could market themselves as “hey, they make really good EDM music and BONUS POINTS they’re also crazy dancers and have really cool music videos. They’re Korean btw.”
That would involve companies loosening the reigns on the groups to let them develop their own sound and stop chasing whatever market trend they think is about to hit, so it’s unlikely it’ll happen, but I think it’d work a lot better. I wouldn’t say that means the artist has to limit themselves to JUST that genre, they can experiment and diversify, but they have to have a specific sound to they can identify what market they’d appeal to. That way they can go to specific festivals or approach specific markets with their signature sound, and then at their specific concerts they can show their full range. Or establish their base in one genre and then expand from there to reach a wider market appeal while still honouring their roots.
I will admit it would be harder for pop-focused groups to make an impact with this strategy. Because pop is generally the automatic mainstream of the US, which means you’re competing with the biggest and most established artists with the biggest fandoms and the most funding. To become part of that scene, the mainstream, you have to beat every other act at their game and prove you deserve to be there. Which is something that BTS, despite not really being a pop group even if their pop songs have been their biggest hits in the USA, have really only been the only ones capable of doing it. These other pop groups honestly are actually doing the right thing by marketing via TikTok because their key demographic is likely to be quite young, like a fun dance and a cute but ultimately not the deepest song meaning, with a catchy tune and with an aesthetic style of fashion the fans can want to and might try to recreate. There’s nothing wrong with that type of music or marketing, it absolutely has its place and tbh is way too disrespected, like anything that is genuinely FUN is- like how not every movie HAS to be dark and gritty, just let me watch Bring It On and Legally Blonde and label them as the cinematic masterpieces they are- but it is a niche audience to appeal to all the same.
Not every artist can be BTS, the same way not every artist can be Taylor Swift or Beyoncé or Michael Jackson or the Beatles etc. and most companies are screwing their artists over by trying to push them to be.
17:07 I agree with you but I still want to add something. Just my opinion but I think bts are extremely crazy about art, like CRAZY crazy, not just passionate. Even in Suchwita with Tablo, he said no one talk about music as much as them. It lowkey reminded me of the insanity of actual artists towards their art, like Picasso, Da Vinci or Mozart. I know they are friendly and all, but when I watched documentaries about their artistic creating processes, I got goosebumps and kinda scared to see how obsessed they are over their creations. They always talk like their whole life depends on music and performances and to think that they’re being 100% honest, wow… (the song black swan is a testament to that but you’ll get to it later Tribe Loui, lol). So yeah, other performers and groups may be good and hard-working, but they lack the actual insanity bts has.
Boracity's take on that podcast is interesting. She summarized everything I was thinking when I listened to the entire thing. I have a close relative who have an extreme bias against Bts. They're not a fan of kpop, but they seem to dislike that Bts is my favorite . And that That favorite is mainstream now. When listening to the podcast, their words were similar to what my relative says against Bts. They pretend to acknowledge Bts' success and then try to compare and use other artists, western artists and other kpop artists, to belittle Bts.
Ex bts fans say they're leaving like being part of the army is a cult and it's the most traumatic thing they've been through 😭.
"im leaving the magic shop 💔" like ok? We dont care lmao
That second video had me rolling with laughter. That woman speaking is the quintessential ex-Army. 😂😂😂 that part where she said why would she need a Korean sounding like Justin Timberlake? Maybe because Jungkook sounds better than Justin Timberlake nowadays? Just my opinion. 😂😂😂
42:03 let me sign that petition 😭😭
Not that it would work but we can but make our thoughts known it's sends a message a statement.
28:20 let's admit any of the bts can step on us😅🙈
Youre experience is the same as mine, i didnt want to get into kpop either because of all the stuff ive heard about it but i kept seing and hearing bts on my fyp, and i gave up, that was the best decision ever. Their music made me fall in love the more i listened the more i loved it and i quickly realised they are differents from the rest.
She really doesn’t have a grasp on reality (“Kpop expert”). Her comments on TXT are laughable, from memory they have actually had more success in the west (not just US) than big bang. Plus big bang will not be releasing any more music as a 4 member group since G Dragon has left YG & he was their main producer. She is in denial
But seriously! What stops someone from enjoying different groups and genres of music at the same time?
At least where I'm originally from (🇩🇴❤) we had artists from all of latin America and Spain coming to our country. We enjoyed all that variety of music and still love our Merengue, Bachata, etc. Variety enriches our lives. Yet, everyone is allowed to be picky, because, there really are some that are best at their craft 😉
Bts so good they surpassed the barriers of prison 😭
I'm still vastly amused on that podcast that they completely ignored Dynamite (and Life Goes On). Experts that forgot their first no 1 and then the first ever Korean language no 1. Both of these songs predate Butter and Butter relates to Dynamite.
Been listening to kpop since 2007 and i can genuinely say that BTS is the best.
love boracity downnnn
what u were saying at like 7:00 had me thinking about some reactors ive heard listen to a song and be like "wow i really like this one, id actually add it to my playlist" and it had me thinking like... are yall listening to all this kpop music, saying u like it and then not listening to kpop at all outside of videos? idk if im weird for being put off by that 😭
this! there will be these channels where they praise the group when they do the reaction and then the next video on a different song by that group comes out in like 3 months and it’s clear that they have not listened even to the song they reacted to previously, let alone researched basically anything else about the group…
That’s because a majority are lying for views. Some of the bts reactions popping up out of nowhere the past year, they barely even bother to look at the screen anymore, or they talk through it, or ask for comments or likes or subs, or straight up ignore the lyrics or captions. They don’t CARE. lol and people fall for their crap so that they can monetize and move to Patreon after like 18 videos. A ton of them have already seen other reactions. Where do you think the idea to start bts reactions came from? “People want me to check these guys out“ what people? All of your viewers despite you just starting a channel?
That’s why I like Tribe Loui, you can tell he actually listens to BTS outside of filming too.
I know what you mean. Reactors seem shocked that BTS are good and get out their phone to 'prove' they are adding it to their playlist. Very cringy.
Before I subscribe to any BTS reactor I look at their channel, what they have said in the past, what free BTS content are they charging for on Patreon! This is why I only subscribe to Louis and Shiki. That is it.💜
@@farawaykin yeah, like it'd be one thing if they listened to all kinds of music and aren't as into deep-diving into artists/fandoms, but if your content is centered around /kpop/ then you should put more care into those things I think !!
No one compares because they stepped out the box..and PD wanted them to..he gave them the room to grow..why they are artists not just a boy band.and all of them have their own style they interesting and damn magical..
Lol the podcast sounded 100% like racism & xenophobia on my ears as an Asian person
We all agree with you it was pure racism and xenophobia its were sickening.
The people in prison knows about the tannies 😂
Just seeing you pointing out Mamamoo a few times in the beginning makes me miss you reacting to them, seeing your brain break every time you look at Hwasa is just SO FUNNY.
I know your main focus is BTS, and I will NEVER complain about that, but Mamamoo have never had a single miss, and given it’s been nearly a year since you last reacted to them, I think it would be fun for you to bring it back, there’s so many bops you haven’t got to yet.
May I suggest:
-Delcalcomanie
-Taller Than You
-Piano Man
-Dingaa
-Paint Me
-Ah Oop!
-Don’t be Happy
14:48 exactly! I was thinking the same. I can actually imagine Suga saying that if he turns off his filter lol
Oh and kpop groups have been doing English songs aimed at the US market way before Dynamite
But they call BTS sellouts cuz BTS were the only successful in doing that
That's why they're unhappy
They really have trancended to all areas. They hold almost all the records for global reach. For example on itunes Taylor Swift just barely took the top spot from RM for album with the most countries where it hit #1 almost the whole rest of the list is BTS and its members. Nobody else I've seen has their global reach and across so many generations. I turn 50 this year, I'm at a fairly high level in my field of biotech professionally. And I used to list my favorite group as Tool. But they broke down my preconceptions and teach me so much. And cant be fabricated and all 7 are as equally talented but not in the same ways.
As far as who goes as deep the only other kpop groups I am into are TXT alot but not a full MOA. They are very creative and not at BTS level but close to me, Seventeen who are great but not always to my taste.
she’s acting like a know it all ,it’s annoying..😭
the girl from the radio btw!
@@epiphanyskies not to generalize but she's just the average bitter kpop stan on twitter, 13yo fans are on the same "expert" level as her-
Oh-
I thought for a second-
@@Rina.17.13 lolll i realized a bit after i commented it that some people might think i’m talking about boracity,had to let them know !
@@ajlee2168 yeah😭
no way we started singing ''do you ''at the same time
bro, don't even go there, I'm still waiting for Mono's grammy
Not the jimin could step on me stage 😭😭
42:04 yes plz!!!!!! Indigo needs Grammy asap!!!
this host and guest are just the typical people who want to be different. liking small, niche artists is cool, it makes them special or whatever their idea is. the amount of people with this mentality really leave me bewildered.
Bora taking shot at anti with hard facts...
Tribe loui: Jimin could step on me 😊
Sir CALM DOWN!! I mean I get it tho 😂😂
Missed you tribe leader, hope you're doing well and having a great day 💜
“jimin can step on me” why would you say that out of nowhere??! I almost spat out my coffee! 😂😂😂
That compilation at the final with that type of songs HAHAHAHAHAH yeah
There used to be ex army group therapy every month on Twitter a couple years ago. Literally every month we'd see the same complaints of why some lewsers are BTS and other ex armys cry with them. Good.god
55:26 Nahh you summarized that podcast so well hahaha
The fandom names Big Bang is VIP, Borahae from Brazil 🫰🏽💜💜💜💜💜💜💜🇧🇷
TXT is having a comeback soon, just so you know...
What?? wdym someone knows about BTS even if he has been in prison for 8 years?? 😭 They really are everywhere lol
14:51 my thoughts exactly!!🤣
17:51 that’s a good analogy 👌🏽
bts definitely love music and want people to know they love music and it's all team work as well cause at the beginning there were different levels of interest in music and then the ones with the highest interest would tell the others to listen to music to really get into it, idk if i'm misremembering this but im pretty sure they would even scold them lol
26:57 CUZ THEY DIDNT MAKE IT FOR YOU TF?? 😭
55:28 YESS, u spittin facts here Tribe Leader
Genuinely such a red flag when "fans" drop their faves once they blow up. U spend years bitching about "my fave is so underrated 😢" and once they finally start getting paid its "theyve changed" "bring back the old xyz" .
Unfortunately this is how the majority of kpop fans are, ESPECIALLY western kpop fans who like to feel superior for stanning a niche and "exotic" band. Gross mindset tbh and im so glad atleast majority of army didn't do this. The ones that did like to spend their days sitting in the corner and seething over how bts isnt their quirky little asian secret anymore lol
this is why we call these typa kpop songs construction music 😭😭😭
Dude when you asked did i drink my water i littery was drinking 😂
remember bts "getting some american names" on their own game ost album? for sure they did it with hopes of going mainstream right
lmao
I can’t get into other idol music really, despite giving it a fair shot. However, there are other Korean artists that I really like, such as Colde, Aeon, Paul Blanco, and Wave to Earth. I found the first 3 through BTS and had a student recommend Wave to Earth to me. I’ve really gotten into them lately. I highly recommend. 💜
I think another point is that, yes, bts may not have the 'best' dancers, singers or rappers in the whole world on a techical skill/ talent based comparison. But their effort, sincerety, creativity and consistency, combined with their individual talents/passions and arguably insane stage presence certainly is incredibly unique and artistically also far more important than simple 'skill'. Combine that with their genuine efforts to always do their best, to show their true selves, to be happy and to share a positive message? That is not something you can copy and paste like the music industry is trying to so desperately
yh! Nickiminaj and BTS had a collab.
i am gonna inhale all the boracity stuff with you
21:08 No I can't drink. I'm fasting.
Then after fast you drink much water
Bigbang's fandom is VIPs. If you ever get curious and decide to listen to some group or solo songs, I'm here for it. I'd especially recommend "If You" in Bangkok.
Yay!! Boracity!! 💜
your voice is so soothing I love listening to you talk about the most random things. really liked hearing your thoughts on the boracity videos!
the reminders to drink are also really cute (if you don’t mind being called cute?) and make me smile, so thanks for that as well.
“Megan Thee Stallion. U can step on me” exactly
i came for BTS content, and stayed for your reminders about the importance of h2o consumption. THANKYOU. you're the reason i stay hydrated.
59:48 you know ohtwr than the fact that your reactions and love for bts is genuine I also know your love for music is also genuine. I've been getting into your other music reactions and I know or I can gauge how much you enjoy music and not to mention your own music
the way she speaks
omg, I literally just drank my water and tribe loui is like, did you drink your water???? I felt attacked. 😂
Real for Bruno mars being your fav he's my fav too along with bts
10:33 istg everyone knows them but i’m always taken aback when shit like this happens irl ASKJSKJS we were doing renovations in my apartment literally last month and when the painter was working on my room he had to take down a few of my posters and i could hear him going “aren’t these the korean dudes?” to my mom - mind you, i’m in brazil, and the dude was like 35 - and my mom answered very enthusiastically and they had a quick chat about it lol i was listening half-asleep like ????
reminds me of a friend of mine that lives in a very small town and told me he heard ‘i need u (urban mix)’ playing at the grocery store 😭
21:03 thank you for the reminder 😂 💧
I always find hilarious these kpop journalist that always talk sht about BTS and clearly act like haters bc they are biased, many have their favs and that's okay but many look bitter bc "my favs should have what BTS have instead". I'm sorry but that's just life. Maybe they will have the opportunity in the future or maybe not but denying reality and literally history seems so crazy to me.
And it's so funny to me seeing people criticizing BTS so much for a couple of English songs saying "they don't like that direction" while literally ignoring the hundreds of previous korean and japanese songs and the ones that they released in between and after. BTS experimenting with generes and concepts is nothing new, so yeah they are not doing that only for western validation.. maybe they think in that way bc kpop usually follows the trends without any own artistic direction.
Get over the BTS English songs come on lmao. Remember everyone complaining about Butter bc it was pop and literally ignoring the whole BE album in between? 😂 Make no sense
BTS became the biggest group in the world without any industry support and they did that coming from a small company while struggling financially, so if they are at the top is only because of their music, talent and artistry. 🤷♀
Gosh you’re so funny my cheeks hurts from laughing😂
21:03 stop intimidating me to drink water it’s Ramadan 😂
Even tho I don't really like much of other kpop groups music i do enjoy watching their fun moments compilation videos and i think you might enjoy that too, Loui. SHINee and Stray Kids are just such fun groups to watch😂 or the "Kpop iconic moments" are also worth checking out imo hahaha since kpop is more than just the music n.n
It means the fear of strangers so you act differently to them.
if you proclaim yourself some kind of music expert and don't even know Aoki and then also claim his music irrelevant because you don't listen to EDM
bro I don't want to listen to your opinions 😂