Bit misleading putting a link here for the A580 when the entire video is about the B580, people might just buy this thinking it's the card you've been praising the entire video...
@@lilrice7865 that sounds nice to do however, i need to sell my 2060 super so i can have some money from it and then buy b580 soon as possible IF the b580 is proven to be a great card by tech reviewer.
@@arlynnfolke why? Are they more expensive / sold out in there? If you scared of "driver issues" ive used rx 6700 xt for two years without issues. It was long time ago when ppl had issues, even then propably mostly due to not using DDU to remove old nvidia drivers
B580 will be a good 1440p card. But this leak is BS because drivers are not even out yet. 6700 card is 220W card that should give 15% more but it is about 10% on Vulcan and the other two are so far behind the specs in everyway. Add XeSS2, XeSS FG, XeLL, APO and you have so much more. Plus the difference here is architecture that AMD/Nvidia needs double the FPS to challenge. No competition here. A770 for example beats 4070ti at 4k even with half the FPS. Now with XeSS2 suite the performance is almost going to double. And there is overclocking. ARC overclocks very well. For example A770 for 4k I get almost 10% lift in performance.2786MHz at 1.16V at 271W. Base is 2100MHz (2400MHz) 225W. If you haven't got one yet these are almost sold out on pre-orders. B580 12gb VRAM 192 bit bus 190W 4060 8gb VRAM 128 bit bus 115W 6700rx 10gb VRAM 160 bit bus 220W 7600rx 8gb VRAM 128 bit bus 120W
so 30% uplift ? so 0% uplift from last Intel GPU generation ? I mean you can just buy a A770 and have more Vram with more performance ? If the rumors are true then the card will be launched for 250$ MSRP and we all know the real price on Retailers will be 300/350$ for real.
B580 and 192 bit bus limits to 1440p. Note this is the low end for this generation starting almost at the same level as last generation top card. But not really because A770 comes with 256 bit bus and 16gb VRAM that can do 4k and beats 4070ti in experience as it comes with 192 bit bus and 12gb VRAM. Understand the differences in architecture. AMD/Nvidia lot of Wattage to give double the FPS because half are broken. INTEL lower Wattage and half the FPS but all good frames. AMD/Nvidia needs double to beat INTEL. Yet we are looking obsolete test old that compares apples with oranges giving misleading results. It is about experience not FPS as it makes bugger all difference if half of the frames are broken and you are looking at AMD/Nvidia stutter. And XeSS2 suite is backwards compatible to A770 with FG and XeLL not to talk about APO on all INTEL system. Since 2023 the drivers have doubled the performance and with XeSS2 and APO it is going to double again. Best value money I have spend. There is more. Overclocking A770. 2786MHz at 1.16V at 271W. Base is 2100MHz (2400MHz) 225W.
what drugs you was smoking ? Between a Rx 7700xt and a RTX 3080 ? You dont think Intel will Mention this in ther Own Charts if this was true ? there is no Doubt that the Rx 7700xt is the better product the b580 cant even beat the Rx6700xt so how can it beat the 7700xt in your Leaks ? Overall time will tell what the price will be like but i wont be suprised if this card will be disapointment in price and performance.
One the drivers haven't even been released. Second 3080 doesn't have FG but it can do 4k where as B580 can't. This is a good example to be honest. Month ago 3080 vs A770 both can do 4k but I would say 3080 was better. But now with XeSS2 that is backwards compatible with A770 has XeSS FG and XeLL. I think it will lift the A770 fair bit. At this point having less VRAM the 3080 will struggle even with wider bus and more Wattage. 3080 10gb VRAM 320 bit bus 320W a770 16gb VRAM 256 bit bus 225W
A770 already is "phenomenal card" beating 4070ti at 4k. People just don't understand the performance. Two totally different architectures yet tested on one old test giving misleading results. Halve the results for AMD/Nvidia and you are closer to the truth. When pushing max FPS and stressing the GPU on AMD/Nvidia you result half of broken frames that still show on FPS count. Hence high Wattage is needed to have double the FPS to replace the broken. INTEL all good relying on GPU/CPU equally having no queuing or waiting and lower Wattage as CPU also does good amount of the tasks via REBAR and E Cores for +30% gain. AMD/Nvidia CPU only feeds the GPU where all the tasks are done resulting in queuing and waiting and broken frames. REBAR/E Cores +-5% gain is zero gain. The test doesn't take in count CPU pairing and it is the only test and most of the channels that claim to be professionals are clueless.
Understand the two architectures. Even if 4060 had double the FPS it is not beating B580. Two different architectures and one old test. You can't compare apples to oranges. Point is CPU pairing, REBAR, E-Cores for dual silicon architecture. All good frames, less Wattage vs half broken frames, lot more Wattage. Wattage is needed to create more frames to replace the broken ones but the result is stutter. So when you look at the tests results take it with grain of salt. It is very misleading.
@@SaltyMaud AMD/Nvidia single silicon architecture where CPU only feeds the GPU. All tasks are done by the GPU. What this means is queuing and waiting and lot of broken frames hence high Wattage to double the frame count to replace the broken ones. REBAR/E Cores zero gain. INTEL dual silicon architecture where GPU pairs to CPU via REBAR and gets all the benefits from E Cores sharing the tasks with CPU. REBAR/E Cores +30% gain. This means no queuing or waiting all good frames. Only half is needed for the same performance. Old FPS test for apples and oranges gives very misleading results. To understand the two architectures and to compare you are closer to the truth if you halve the AMD/Nvidia results against INTEL. Because there is no good way to compare we got Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool to give more depth understanding of the differences. I'm running A770/i7-13700k for 4k and I get better experience with half the FPS than from 4070ti. That's what I'm talking about in a nutshell.
Reviews are out, looks like I was spot on. Surprisingly good RT performance, but at retail prices the value is dubious, especially with dodgy drivers and considerably higher power draw + no DLSS.
@MasterChief-l7d NVidia features are a perfectly valid advantage for NVidia cards. And neither Intel nor AMD GPUs have NVidia features, correct, they have something similar, but inferior in this case.
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Bit misleading putting a link here for the A580 when the entire video is about the B580, people might just buy this thinking it's the card you've been praising the entire video...
i'm about to upgrade my 2060 super to b580 if the reviews are good.
imo just keep using ur 2060s till it breaks
@@lilrice7865 that sounds nice to do
however, i need to sell my 2060 super so i can have some money from it and then buy b580 soon as possible IF the b580 is proven to be a great card by tech reviewer.
Rather get rx 6750 xt, or wait and save for rx 7800 xt
@@topisalonen8813 sorry but i can't go for amd card atleast right now, thx for suggestion tho.
@@arlynnfolke why? Are they more expensive / sold out in there?
If you scared of "driver issues" ive used rx 6700 xt for two years without issues. It was long time ago when ppl had issues, even then propably mostly due to not using DDU to remove old nvidia drivers
B580 will be a good 1440p card. But this leak is BS because drivers are not even out yet. 6700 card is 220W card that should give 15% more but it is about 10% on Vulcan and the other two are so far behind the specs in everyway. Add XeSS2, XeSS FG, XeLL, APO and you have so much more. Plus the difference here is architecture that AMD/Nvidia needs double the FPS to challenge. No competition here. A770 for example beats 4070ti at 4k even with half the FPS. Now with XeSS2 suite the performance is almost going to double. And there is overclocking. ARC overclocks very well. For example A770 for 4k I get almost 10% lift in performance.2786MHz at 1.16V at 271W. Base is 2100MHz (2400MHz) 225W. If you haven't got one yet these are almost sold out on pre-orders.
B580 12gb VRAM 192 bit bus 190W
4060 8gb VRAM 128 bit bus 115W
6700rx 10gb VRAM 160 bit bus 220W
7600rx 8gb VRAM 128 bit bus 120W
so 30% uplift ? so 0% uplift from last Intel GPU generation ? I mean you can just buy a A770 and have more Vram with more performance ? If the rumors are true then the card will be launched for 250$ MSRP and we all know the real price on Retailers will be 300/350$ for real.
A770 has worse RT performance and uses more power tho, so it’s not all bad.
But yeah if the B580 launches at >$300 you could really go either way.
B580 and 192 bit bus limits to 1440p. Note this is the low end for this generation starting almost at the same level as last generation top card. But not really because A770 comes with 256 bit bus and 16gb VRAM that can do 4k and beats 4070ti in experience as it comes with 192 bit bus and 12gb VRAM. Understand the differences in architecture. AMD/Nvidia lot of Wattage to give double the FPS because half are broken. INTEL lower Wattage and half the FPS but all good frames. AMD/Nvidia needs double to beat INTEL. Yet we are looking obsolete test old that compares apples with oranges giving misleading results. It is about experience not FPS as it makes bugger all difference if half of the frames are broken and you are looking at AMD/Nvidia stutter. And XeSS2 suite is backwards compatible to A770 with FG and XeLL not to talk about APO on all INTEL system. Since 2023 the drivers have doubled the performance and with XeSS2 and APO it is going to double again. Best value money I have spend. There is more. Overclocking A770. 2786MHz at 1.16V at 271W. Base is 2100MHz (2400MHz) 225W.
This is a must buy for me!
okay but i suggest you to wait for the review before u buy,
Better be fast because the LE is almost sold out on Pre-orders.
@@paulboyce8537 better safe than regret imo.
just wait for the review bro, 250$ is 250$ afterall.
@@paulboyce8537 preordered it this morning. They still got some B580 LE in stock.
in synthetic 3d benchmark i saw on leaks is between rtx 3080 and rx 7700xt. i think its quite a good gpu
No way, isn't it supposed to be 10-15% faster than the 4060? How is it close to 3080?
@ujwals5439 its a leaks, wait for release date
what drugs you was smoking ? Between a Rx 7700xt and a RTX 3080 ? You dont think Intel will Mention this in ther Own Charts if this was true ? there is no Doubt that the Rx 7700xt is the better product the b580 cant even beat the Rx6700xt so how can it beat the 7700xt in your Leaks ?
Overall time will tell what the price will be like but i wont be suprised if this card will be disapointment in price and performance.
One the drivers haven't even been released. Second 3080 doesn't have FG but it can do 4k where as B580 can't. This is a good example to be honest. Month ago 3080 vs A770 both can do 4k but I would say 3080 was better. But now with XeSS2 that is backwards compatible with A770 has XeSS FG and XeLL. I think it will lift the A770 fair bit. At this point having less VRAM the 3080 will struggle even with wider bus and more Wattage.
3080 10gb VRAM 320 bit bus 320W
a770 16gb VRAM 256 bit bus 225W
Yeah if they don't get a phenomenal card here, I could see bankruptcy...
A770 already is "phenomenal card" beating 4070ti at 4k. People just don't understand the performance. Two totally different architectures yet tested on one old test giving misleading results. Halve the results for AMD/Nvidia and you are closer to the truth. When pushing max FPS and stressing the GPU on AMD/Nvidia you result half of broken frames that still show on FPS count. Hence high Wattage is needed to have double the FPS to replace the broken. INTEL all good relying on GPU/CPU equally having no queuing or waiting and lower Wattage as CPU also does good amount of the tasks via REBAR and E Cores for +30% gain. AMD/Nvidia CPU only feeds the GPU where all the tasks are done resulting in queuing and waiting and broken frames. REBAR/E Cores +-5% gain is zero gain. The test doesn't take in count CPU pairing and it is the only test and most of the channels that claim to be professionals are clueless.
AMD cards are too overpriced here. Intel has a great chance to grasp the market
RTX 4060-ish performance at a higher retail price and nearly twice the power consumption when Blackwell is only months away? Yikes.
Understand the two architectures. Even if 4060 had double the FPS it is not beating B580. Two different architectures and one old test. You can't compare apples to oranges. Point is CPU pairing, REBAR, E-Cores for dual silicon architecture. All good frames, less Wattage vs half broken frames, lot more Wattage. Wattage is needed to create more frames to replace the broken ones but the result is stutter. So when you look at the tests results take it with grain of salt. It is very misleading.
@@paulboyce8537 .. broken frames, e-cores, what are you even talking about?
@@SaltyMaud AMD/Nvidia single silicon architecture where CPU only feeds the GPU. All tasks are done by the GPU. What this means is queuing and waiting and lot of broken frames hence high Wattage to double the frame count to replace the broken ones. REBAR/E Cores zero gain.
INTEL dual silicon architecture where GPU pairs to CPU via REBAR and gets all the benefits from E Cores sharing the tasks with CPU. REBAR/E Cores +30% gain. This means no queuing or waiting all good frames. Only half is needed for the same performance.
Old FPS test for apples and oranges gives very misleading results. To understand the two architectures and to compare you are closer to the truth if you halve the AMD/Nvidia results against INTEL. Because there is no good way to compare we got Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool to give more depth understanding of the differences.
I'm running A770/i7-13700k for 4k and I get better experience with half the FPS than from 4070ti. That's what I'm talking about in a nutshell.
Reviews are out, looks like I was spot on. Surprisingly good RT performance, but at retail prices the value is dubious, especially with dodgy drivers and considerably higher power draw + no DLSS.
@MasterChief-l7d NVidia features are a perfectly valid advantage for NVidia cards. And neither Intel nor AMD GPUs have NVidia features, correct, they have something similar, but inferior in this case.
349 euros = epic fail
How much is AMD/Nvidia for same performance?
Blame Europe, EVERYTHING is more there.