PROTESTANT Pastor FRANCIS Chan CALLS OUT the FALSE Doctrine of SOLA SCRIPTURA
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I used to love listening to Francis Chan when I was a protestant. A few years ago when he started talking about the church fathers and the Eucharist, I figured it wouldn't be long before he joined the Catholic Church. I bet it's weighing on him heavily. Pray for this man.
Well, interpretation of scriptures it through the Holy Spirit and the Word of God is live and For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. It's good to have interpretation but it's not mandatory as the Holy Spirit is the teacher.
@@youdonthavetoactreligioust3836 If what your saying is true, everyone in the protestant and non denominational churches are all reading and inspired by the holy spirit to interpret the bible. But if that is true, then why does everyone disagree? You even have Baptists who disagree with other Baptist (even pastors in the same church!) on what the scriptures say. But both feel and say I have it right, because the Holy Spirit is working through me. So this clearly is a false idea. The Bible was fully interpreted well over 1,000 years ago. This type of thinking is why we have so many Christians split. Pride makes people think they know it all. 99% are wrong. The bible says one Gospel is true and all others, even those using Jessus' name are wrong. 1 Truth, all the other "interpretations are WRONG.
@@JesusChurchBible Firstly, you must understand what the Gospel is. I hope you know that .. that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures .. This is the foundation as long as this is foundation, the rest is all theology, and you can argue and discuss all eternity which you seem to get into. We are not a cult that you should follow what anyone says. We all are free to have our interpretation of some basis theologies. These minor interpretation will there on this side of the heaven until Lord Jesus comes!
And don't make this an issue where is none. Preach the Gospel and follow Jesus!
For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
@@youdonthavetoactreligioust3836 I'm not sure what you mean by making it an issue
My gosh! Blessed be God. This was the same reason why Dr. Scott Hahn decided that the Catholic Church is the one true church of Jesus Christ. Having 1 Pope (vs. 33,000 popes) with more than 2 thousand years of church rich tradition and history, way before the split.
The Catholic Church welcomes everyone to come into the church and reap the eternal joys of following Jesus as a member of His bride the Catholic Church! I am humbled and grateful I became Catholic. God Bless Francis Chan and everyone!
I think we spend too much time debating doctrinal differences. With that being said, I will leave you with this quote from John Wesley:
“I will not quarrel with you about my opinion only see that your heart is right toward God; that you know and love the Lord Jesus Christ, that you love your neighbour and walk as your master walked and I desire no more. I am sick of opinions; am weary to bear them; my soul loathes this frothy food. Give me a solid and substantial religion; give me a humble, gentle lover of God and man; and men full of mercy in good faith, without partiality and without hypocrisy; a man laying himself out in the work of faith, the patience of hope, the labour of love. Let my soul be with these Christians wheresoever they are, and whatsoever opinion they are of!”
Wonderful. I love this. I’m a Lutheran and there’s plenty of debate between Protestants. It’s so tiring. I’m just going to focus on Jesus and pray the Holy Spirit grows my faith.
Believing the Eucharist is really the Body and Blood of Christ vs a symbol is a pretty big difference.
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63 @@EpoRose1
@@jake_tollefson Sadly I must say that is a relativistic statement. Did God give us a huge barrel of stones and makes us dig through the entire barrel to finds the one diamond (correct and true denomination) that God placed in there somewhere? I think you know the answer.
@@stephenpeppin5537 Perfect example of Sola Scriptura! Try reading the rest of John 6.
Francis did not say he is leaving Protestantism... that’s misleading and not correct
Exactly, that would stop his stream of income.
@@Agius_Jozef It wouldn't be the first time a Protestant pastor leaves his livelihood for God.
Is he changing it? Is he just whining about it?
He is not leaving now, but he will eventually
There is no bigger lier than roman Catholic church
0:01 “Are you saying that your private interpretation of the scripture is superior to 2,000 years of church wisdom”
No, but even people in those 2000 years of the church have disagreed with the Roman Catholic Church.
Cite one doctrinal or moral or theological issue that they disagree with the Catholic Church. And provide proof that they were right on that issue and that the Catholic Church is wrong brother...
@@user-tv2ju9fw3e one simple issue that the Catholic Church is real quiet about is the “Galileo Issue” (17th century) Where church officials were told to hold the Geocentric model(rather than the heliocentric model) which places the Earth at the center of the universe, rather than the truth which is that the Earth and other planets revolve around the sun.
But if you want to talk about doctrine let’s talk about indulgences(16th century). The Catholic Church and officials in the church promoted and profited from the sale of indulgences. We know what Martin Luther thought about that(and he was right. How do we know he was right? Because the Catholic Church doesn’t sale indulgences anymore. I wonder why? Because they’re wrong, brother). In the Council Of Trent(1545-1563) the church clarifies that indulgences “could not be sold”.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: John 16:13
FACT: none of the Ancient Churches support sola scriptura. NONE!
Amen, St. Iranaeus destroyed my Protestant mindset.
@@psychedelicdivinity2872
Did you ever wonder what St Ignaeus was speaking of when he talked about tradition? Because he mentioned it. It’s the Jewish tradition. a savior was promised and Genesis that God created a people and then he created a messianic line through David. The tradition also includes that he was prophesied in psalms, and in the prophets. In fact, Jesus condemned Moses his chair. Those keys that you think Jesus gave to Peter they’re in Jesus hands in revelation. Don’t think Peter has them yet. Nor the authority. So no Papacy??
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ ?? I said St. Iranaeus. Plus Jesus told Peter that He will give him the keys. The keys were given to Peter on the day of Pentecost. That’s why he was the first to stand up and proclaim the Gospel to all the Jews gathered. Either Jesus lied and never gave him the keys, or the papacy is true. Possibly, this is just a thought, Peter died before Revelation was written, so couldn’t Peter have rightfully returned them when he stepped into Heaven?
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ and what a Christians? We are Jews 2.0! Of the New Covenant!
@@psychedelicdivinity2872 Can you explain how?
I always loved Francis Chan. Because he is a sincere man who loves the Lord Jesus Christ by the best of his knowledge. He is a living proof that God is not only working in the Catholic Church.
Yeah, but towards catholic church.
@brotherandrew3393 This is where you are wrong. GOD IS ONLY WORKING IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, and in NO OTHER. If God was working in other Church's or even in one other church, then that would mean contradiction in the teaching of scripture. Ultimately, because of the "other churches" and God supposedly is, within them theory, this causes contradiction, then scripture must be lying because of the contradiction. Or those other Church's must be lying.
Actually it proves the Dogma of Nulla Salus, Extra Ecclessiam. Francis Chan and hundreds and thousands of other protestants are moved by actual grace toward the Truth which can only be found in the Catholic Church.
But jesus build only one church through apostle peter only not even to the 11 apostles. But nowadays there are thousand of churches and they claimed that it is the church of Jesus but jesus build only one church.
Mathew 12:30 - jesus say "he who is not with me is against me and he who does not gather with me scatters".
Mark 13:5-6 - jesus say to his disciples "take heed that no one leads you astray. Many will come in my name, saying I am he and they will leads you astray".
Sounds like Francis Chan is waking up to fake Christianity and the stupidity of sola scriptura.
I hope and pray that his searching will finally lead him to the Catholic Church - the one and only Church that holds and "the keys of the kingdom of heaven" (Matt 16:18-19).
I watched that whole video months ago and it was wonderful!
Although Francis Chan was clearly wrestling through that issue, nowhere does he state that he outright rejects the doctrine of sola scriptura, (where scripture is the final authority, but not the only authority.)
Many thoughtful Protestants also have a high view of the councils and church fathers.
Your video also gives the impression that Francis Chan is ready to leave Protestanism, but has there been any update to prove that since the time of that video?
Also, it's always a good idea to put a link to the whole video you reference. It builds credibility and shows you're not taking things out of context!
Blessings to you!
Francis Chan has actually come under fire from Protestants about some of his statements on real presence, and Sola Scriptura. Some have found that he’s preaching Catholic “light” and drifting away from their doctrines. Mostly Reformed theologians are saying this though which probably makes sense because his seminary/schooling was at The Master’s University/Seminary Pastor John MacArthur’s school (Reformed). Chan did preach/teach through a non-denominational Evangelical church.
@@buzztrucker eh, he just joins Luther then.
Nothing new under the sun
very true. Well, interpretation of scriptures it through the Holy Spirit and the Word of God is live and For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. It's good to have interpretation but it's not mandatory as the Holy Spirit is the teacher.
Having a "high view of the councils and church fathers" simply isn't enough. I can have a "high view" of philosophy also, and never had read one philosopher. One can always reject the early church if it disagrees with your own private interpretation. Hopefully you see this obvious contradiction.
@W1AL
My main point wasn't to argue whether or not having a high view of the councils and church fathers was sufficient enough, but rather that there are thoughtful protestants like Francis Chan that do hold them in high esteem, yet remain protestant, and still hold to sola scriptura as the final authority, rather than the only authority.
A deep discussion on whether or not this is right is not something I can personally take the time to engage with in the comments section on You Tube, but I will continue to listen to the theologians who discuss and debate this issue in hopes of arriving at a conclusion!
God authored the Bible. “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" - 2 Timothy 3:16. The Bible tells us to be like the Bereans who tested the interpretation of men against the Scriptures.- Acts 17:11
I sure thought Paul wrote the book of Romans, Luke wrote the book of acts, Peter wrote the book of….well you know
The New Testament wasn't written yet. Who decided what scriptures were God breathed and created the Holy Bible? Jesus left us a church not a Bible.
“Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father.
And this is the promise that He made to us-eternal life. I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you.
But the anointing that you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie-just as it has taught you, abide in Him.”
1 John 2
The truth just resonates in this video. Francis Chan is a superb example of intellectual honesty at work, and perhaps the Holy Spirit, as opposed to a stubborn and prideful adherence to a belief without admitting you could be wrong.
Then Jesus must be lacking in intellectuality according to the Catholics. Because Jesus said he will hold you personally responsible for not knowing scripture. He said he is your teacher. All over the Bible says God teaches sinners in their way. You have one teacher and that is Jesus. So who is right in Jesus or the Catholic Church? The problem with the Catholics is that they read the Bible from a late equity and early medieval, medieval understanding. The Bible should be read from old testament and second temple. Understanding. Remember, Jesus came to write the wrong that started in Genesis. Not in Rome.
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ What muddled gibberish. If anyone ignores the teachings of Jesus, it's Protestants....divorce and remarriage, abortion, John 6 reality, Matthew 25 and other parables...the list is endless. Jesus came to WRITE the wrong? Or RIGHT the wrong? Read the bible from a late equity (whatever that gibberish means) or medieval understanding? What pure nonsense.It's hard to take you seriously.
@@richardkramer4076 I did a typo. I’m sorry. But you guys speak to the dead in the Bible says do not speak to the dead. You guys also have unwed church leaders. Paul says that’s a commitment that you guys don’t follow. The group that doesn’t follow that has the deceiving spirit. Are your bishops married? Too many documents say bishops should not be married even cannot. Is Paul wrong to say you have a deceiving spirit?
The holy spirit is at work on Francis Chan, and soon he will accept the fullness of truth of Jesus Christ.
@@jarves1231 will you start talking to the dead as well?
”should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living?“
Isaiah 8:19
I will NEVER trust people who say they CANT err in doctrine
The problem is that you don't trust the person holding the Petrine office that JESUS said can't err in doctrine. That is to say, you don't trust Jesus.
And I definitely don’t trust their medieval interpretation of the Scriptures. Nowhere, I would trust a Catholic. It’s one group that publicly shouts that they read the Bible out of context
If you come across someone that says that it would be a cult. Oh wait, darn that would be the Catholic church
Absolutely!! Sola Scriptura! Jesus is the Word and He said He is our teacher. Unless Christ is wrong
@@JC_Forum_of_Christshow me a book,chapter,verse where the bible is our only authority. We’re people of the living God not people of the book.
Francis Chan. was one of the few I could listen to when I was protestant
ValsVersion , I have a question for you- I used to listen to Francis for quite awhile. But Francis left mainstream Christianity for liberal Christianity; IHOP , Apostolic Christianity etc.. this movement is very unbiblical. They twist and turn the scriptures into beliefs that the Christian faith has never held. Every single person who asks a question about Francis- I refer them to his new beliefs. I’m sorry but at this stage of his teachings you can’t listen to anything Francis says. He’s blowing in the wind with every new teaching that comes around. Sad to see , hopefully 1 day he returns to his Christian roots . Please don’t believe me , google it
The born agains will just say... 'my interpretation is correct bec i have the holy spirit'... :)
I believe they have the 'spirit' but holy? That's something else.
@po18guy Oh scuttlebutts👍
@CatholicDefender-bp7my The Holy Spirit has One church liken it to One Ice Cream Cone that comes with many flavors. There be Messianic Jews in Christ, Orthodox in East, Rome and Reformed in West. One Lord Jesus Christ is Head of One Body of believers truly in Him worshippng and serving the One True and Triune God our Savior and Messiah.❤️👍🙏
Well then the holy spiritual must be confused
@@NP-vk8de Even some protestant denominations recite the Nicene Creed. Only those who are familiar with the history of the early Christians know what the creed is all about. I bet you don't. That's why you ask if the Catholic Church have the holy part.
I tell you what’s silly is Francis Chan doesn’t know enough of church history to be saying those things. To say there wasn’t any debates or disagreements or different points of views for the first 1000 years of the church is just “silly”
He’s an amateur at best, and is just a phoney propagandist who needs to read James 4:11 and 1John 4:20-21.
He might have been referring to the larger Church teaching, not individual theologians.
Let's assume you are right. How much of those debates have you allocated time to studying...Sola scriptura is purely self contradictory
@@notdisclosed the very doctrine of the Trinity was challenged in the first 200 years. There wasn’t a agreement in the church. There were heretics everywhere.
@@notdisclosed What about Romes persecution of protestants? William Tyndalls death, his only offense making the bible available to the layman.
Glory to Jesus Christe for this man who wants to know the Church ,Chatolic church.
I spoke with a friend who is close with Francis who said he is close to orthodoxy, not Catholicism
It's the ABC syndrome .. Anything But Catholic.
Bus he poses the question himself.
I have to rely on someone's authority.
Orthodox will never accept the Pope of Rome as Supreme Pontiff or earthly head of the church but One Head Jesus Christ and First among equals concerning Peter or Andrew.❤
The authority is Jesus simple. Follow him by faith and do good to others and seek holiness till our death or Jesus return. Of course we as a Christians evangelical we have organized to work in order a a body of Christ not wherever. Don't lie tha Christians evangelicals are without liders 😆 Jesus is our savior and the holy spirit our guidance by faith along we are safe. ❤️✝️🙂👍
What’s your imaginary friends name
@@cantrait7311 He may be headed more Orthodox because the Bible Man Hank Hanegraffe went that way, his close friend.
Francis Chan has not said he is converting to Catholicism although that will be a game changer. We pray for him.
Eventually following the big ship in 40,000 rafts gets old.
It's all fun and games until you get the Inquisition or a secular Marxist ship's captain.
Welcome to the Holy Mother Church. Catholic Church
I am so irritated with this ancient satanic division of Catholic and protestant.....what about Jesus....do you know Jesus....this is horrible. Nobody with the Spirit of Christ in them will ever feel comfortable bowing to Mary or any other human.
Thank you Joseph. Another excellent video. Viva Christo Rey!
Video good, but thumbnail is not true..at least not yet.
I LOVE Francis Chan's honest search for the truth, wherever it leads him. I would really love to sit down and talk faith with him.
Wow Francis’s responses to these questions (especially the first 1000 years and councils one) sounds so so similar to my current opinions. Have moved to an Anglican church from a Baptist church. Not sure where God will lead me long term
I’ll pray for you. I love being Catholic. God bless you.
Read about Padre Pio. It will change you
This is a twisted bizarre misunderstanding. The question is good but it doesnt lead us to cath
This is why I left Protestantism. Protestantism is illogical when you really study the doctrine
Thank you so much. Thanks a million for this video. I am so blessed. I am sharing this with my family members. God bless you.
Where can we find this actual interview? Praying for Francis Chan and his fruitful journey to the One. Holy. Catholic. Apostolic Church!
Holy apostolic Church??? Who is the 12th apostle? Is it Matthias or Paul? Whose name will be on the foundation of new Jerusalem??
@@JC_Forum_of_ChristCorrection:
It’s One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, established by Jesus Christ who gave Keys of Heaven to Peter. And the authority to bind and loose on Heaven and Earth, to forgive sins.
The Promise of gates of hell will not prevail against it. It has and it will up until His Return.
Considering that their bible is cut to 66 books, rather than the 73 books that Catholics have, they don't even have the entire bible. Then consider that you have to be able to READ to be a Christian, a horrible indictment to the illiterate, think that there are 30k or more denominations not including the "home churches" and "independent churches."
Consider this and CHESTERTON:
He recognizes that every Protestant “sect” is indeed a “section” of the wholeness of the Catholic Church. Every heresy has taken some part of the truth and discarded the rest. Thus, the Lutherans became obsessed with “faith alone,” Calvinists with the sovereignty of God, Baptists with the Bible, Seventh Day Adventists with the Sabbath, and so on. Meanwhile they stand outside the Church and throw stones from all sides. The Catholic Church is attacked for being too austere or too gaudy, too material or too spiritual, too worldly or too otherworldly, too complicated or too simplistic. Catholics are criticized for being celibate but also for having too many babies, criticized for being unfair to women but also because “only women” go to Mass.
The modernists complain that the Catholic Church is dead, and complain even louder that it has so much power and influence. The secularists admire Italian art while despising Italian religion. The world rebukes Catholics for their sins, and worse still, for confessing their sins. Protestants say Catholics don’t take the Bible seriously and then criticize them for being so literal about the Eucharist. Yet, as Chesterton points out, they take off their hats in churches even while denying that Christ is present on the altar.
Ultimately, every attack on the Church is an attack on the priesthood and the Eucharist. Every attack on the Church is an attack on Christ, God who came in the flesh, and who founded a Church and who held up the bread and the cup and said, “This is my body. This is my blood.”
Chesterton says there is only the Catholic Church and its enemies. Long before his conversion, he said that if every man lived a thousand years, “every man would end up either in utter pessimistic skepticism or as member of the Catholic creed.” He knew that everyone outside of the Church is either moving toward it or away from it. Just like everyone outside of heaven. We are making our choice for or against God.
Chesterton defended the Church even when he was still an outsider. Ironically, today we sometimes have to defend the Church against insiders, against Catholics who would undermine their own faith. Chesterton says there have been times in the Church’s history when it has been too much wedded to the world. But when it has been wedded to the world, he says, it has always found itself widowed by the world.\
When Chesterton died in 1936, Pope Pius XI called him a Defender of the Faith. He is still a defender of the faith, an apologist for right reason and divine revelation, as his words are still effective weapons against the attacks that come from all sides. He flings his opponents off with ease. He is still a maker of converts, turning his enemies into friends, his opponents into allies, wrestling with angels and refusing to let go.
Excellent comments! I think that we have been too tolerant of error & now believe that we must point it out!
What were some fundamental points that divided the Protestants from the Roman Catholics? According to Luther, he taught that forgiveness is granted solely because of God’s grace (sola gratia) and not by the authority of priests or popes. Luther also contended that all doctrinal matters are to be confirmed by SCRIPTURE ONLY (sola scriptura) and not by popes or church councils! Interesting 🧐
Scripture ONLY .The Catholic Church existed CENTURIES first before the Bible . The first and original Christians ,who were Catholic based their faith on Oral Tradition .There was no Bible then . With regards to forgiving sins ,read John 20:23.Your religion is man made,while the Catholic Church was established by Jesus ,Matthew 16:18 ,since 33 AD . Im sure ,you have seen the "LAST SUPPER" Image .FYI ,all the Apostles present there ,except for Judas ,who committed suicide ,their remains are buried in various Catholic Churches spread all over the world . The Crown of Thorns of Jesus is safely guarded at Notre Dame Cathedral In Paris !
There is a non sequiter here. The Catholic Church also believes that forgiveness comes from God’s grace( through the sacraments administered by the ministerial priesthood) the sacrament of reconciliation bestows sanctifying grace on the sinner it doesn’t follow that if it comes through the priesthood from God therefore it doesn’t come from God.
@@truthhurtsalways4u
There is no way they relied on some secret, oral tradition ? Or whatever you guys think. They lied on the Old Testament. Remember Philip and the Ethiopian. He was reading Isaiah, and was aware of Christ had came. The book of acts says that Paul through scripture to prove Christ was the Messiah. Even in the book of Job Job out and says he knows his Redeemer lives.
Lord willing Francis Chan comes home to Eastern Orthodoxy ☦️🙏
I can’t believe Johny Mac called him out for leaving his mega church. So many of his old buddies turned their back on him.
Love you brother.
@@po18guy absolutely brother! I hope one day I can meet Mr Chan. You can see his love, devotion and hunger for truth.
Just like you said. I truly don’t understand how so many theologians and well educated ministers don’t just leave their Protestant churches. Then you figure that’s their way of income, and pride.
Pray for Francis Chan, it sounds like he's getting close to humility and understanding.
I think this Catholic is probably well meaning, but he doesn't seem to know what Sola Scriptura means. Nor did Chan deny Sola Scriptura. To the contrary, he said that he believed it. What Chan denies is private interpretation. Sola Scriptura affirms that the Bible contains all Christian truth, and it cannot be added to or tampered with. It does not mean that we should trust our private interpretation.
and just where does the bible say that nonsense🤦♂🤦♂
@@bibleman8010 The Bible says that scripture is inspired by God. It doesn't say that God will continue to provide prophetic visions to individuals which will have equal or greater authority over
God-inspired scripture.
@@sarco64 1. According to 2Timothy 3:1-17, taken in context, Scripture is limited to the Old Testament only, and includes all of the seven Old Testament books rejected by the reformers.
2. Scripture does not provide the canon of inspired books within Holy Scripture.
Therefore, how does the Scripture believer know which books are inspired and which books are not?
3. Scripture does not provide us with a list of uninspired books such as the Gospels of Peter, Paul, and Thomas, and does not explain why those books are not in the Scripture believers Bible. How can the Scripture believer differentiate between which books are inspired and which are not?
4. Scripture does not provide us with the word "Bible". How then can an Scripture believer even use the word?
5. Therefore Scripture believers have no way of knowing that the book which they call the Bible is the Bible.
6. Since Scripture believers cannot show which books in the Bible are inspired,
then they have no right to even call theirs an inspired Bible.
7. Scripture does not provide us with the word "Trinity". So why do Scripture believers even use the word?
8. Scripture does not define the Holy Trinity. So why do Scripture believers think it even exists?
9. Do you believe in "Original Sin"?
Well the words "Original Sin", taken together, are not in the Bible, so how can you believe in it?
10. Do you believe in the "Incarnation"? How can you when that word is not to be found in Holy Scripture?
11. Do you believe in the "Ascension"? How can you when that word is not even in your Bible?
12. Do you believe in something called the "Rapture"? How can you when the word is not to be found in your Bible?
13. Do you believe in "Christianity"? Well that word cannot be found in the Bible either for Scripture believers.
14. Do "Protestants" not exist at all simply because that word cannot be found in Scripture?
15. Where in Scripture are the words, 'we are saved by faith alone'? I can find just one verse where the words "faith" and "only" are found together and there is that little word "not" before them,
"You see that by works a man is justified and not by faith only", James 2:24. I cannot seem to find words in support of 'faith alone', except in Martin Luther's German Bible, where he added the word 'alone' to Romans 3:28. The book of James was a thorn in Luther's side, as it contradicted what he taught. That is the reason why he called that book "a straw epistle", meaning it was good for burning.
16. The words "Sola Scriptura" do not appear anywhere in the Bible, so how can any Scripture believer poScriptureibly practice it? By its very name, Sola Scriptura, if it is not in the Bible, then it simply is not to be believed. I get that answer all the time from Scripture believers who try to tell me that "everything" is in the Bible, in spite of the fact that the Bible in no way says that. However, the Bible does say that everything is not in the Bible, which is just the exact opposite of what Scripture believers tell me. See John 20:30, and 21:25.
Who should I believe, what Scripture believers tell me, or what the Word of GOD says?
17. Tell me about the workings of Scripture at the very beginning when the Church was founded by Christ in about 30 A.D., and the first book of the New Testament, 1TheScripturealonians, was not written until over twenty years later? If you would read the book of Acts, you will find that the Church was growing very fast during that period. Three thousand were added in only one day in Acts 2:41, and in Acts 2:27, more were added every day. Acts 4:4 mentions five thousand more believers. How can any Scripture adherent explain this fabulous growth without a New Testament to guide these early believers?
Would an Old Testament Scripture suffice for New covenant teaching?
18. Scripture could not poScriptureibly have worked for the first 374 years of Christianity (aScriptureuming it began in 30 A.D.), since there was no New Testament at all as we know it until 404 A.D..
19. Scripture could have not poScriptureibly have worked for over one thousand years after the Latin Vulgate of 404, since the printing preScripture was not invented until 1450 and all Bibles had to be laboriously copied by hand before then. It is estimated that each Bible took from ten to twenty years of a monks daily life to reproduce just one copy. A beautiful opulence abounded in those copies, as many were decorated with real gold and precious jewels. The cost for each was prohibitive. Who of the common maScripturees could afford one?
If GOD needed Scripture then why did He wait over 1400 years before creating Gutenberg so that he could invent the printing preScripture?
20. Sola Scripture could not have worked at all with the prevalence of illiteracy running as high as 95% for so many centuries.
21. The false man-made doctrine of sola Scripture does not appear anywhere in genuine historical writings before Martin Luther came along in the sixteenth century and "invented it".🤣🤣
@bibleman8010 Ok, once again, we see a demonstration that people don't know what Sola Scriptura means. You spent a lot of time making a lot of points, but none of them accomplish anything.
1st. Let's pretend that the context in 1 Timothy is restricted to the Old Testament. It goes on to say that it prepares the man of God for every good work. If he is thus prepared, then nothing needs to be added, and we certainly don't need the RCC magisterium since the scriptures have given EVERYTHING that the man of God needs.
Since we are talking about the Old Testament, please point me to the 176 consecutive verses that commend the RCC as a reliable authority for godly living. Oh yeah, nothing like that is said anywhere. I must be thinking of what Palm 119 said about the scriptures. (Wow, it's almost like Psalm 119 and 1 Timothy were written by the same guy! WIERD!)
While we're at it, please show the immaculate conception of Mary, the bodily ascension of Mary, Papal authority, and indulgences in the scriptures. Since you apparently don't accept the authority of the New Testament, just show it from the OT. But, make sure you don't use any of those books that weren't added until after the reformation (you know, the apocryphal ones). Obviously, Paul wasn't talking about those since they definitely were not part of the Bible.
Now regarding the "faith alone" doctrine, somebody named Saul or Paul, or su'em like that said that "a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ " then he kept on repeating the same thing like a broken record. I suggest you borrow a New Testament and read the entire book of Galations. It might be helpful. You might also recommend that Frank "the hippie Pope" give it a reading when he gets back from the pride march.
@@billbowen4563 How can Protestants say that Sola Scriptura has been in use from day one, when for over 1400 years almost no one had a Bible, and even if they did, the great majority of the masses were illiterate anyhow? 10) Since Protestants believe that "all Scripture is inspired (2Tim 3:16)", then why aren't the gospels of Peter, Philip, Nicodemus, Bartholomew, Andrew, Thomas, etc, in their Bible? 11) Where in Holy Scripture did Jesus give instructions that the Christian faith is to be solely based on a book? How about the same question except for using the Apostles instead of Jesus? 12) Why do Protestants say it is the Bible which is the pillar and foundation of truth when the Bible clearly says it is the Church (1Tim 3:15)? Please give me the name of that Church? 13) Why do Protestants reject Apostolic Tradition when the Bible clearly says, "So then, brethren, stand firm and hold the teachings that you have learned, whether by word or by letter of ours." 2Thessalonians 2:15, yet another verse ignored, and taught against by Protestantism. 14) Why do Protestants deny that the Bible came from the Catholic Church when they cannot name a truthful and provable alternate source, and where there are literally hundreds of genuine historical documents which prove them to be wrong in their denial?😢😢
Francis Chan said it right. Not any denomination should ever say We are the Only right one like Catholic and Orthodox and some Protestants do. Christs Truly believing church is among many catholics, orthodox and reformed believers saved by Grace through faith in the Gift of God through Christ following Him to the end.❤
Protestantism is in it's death throws, it will not be with us for much longer. Only the Catholic Church will remain after the tribulation as told by the blessed Anna-Maria Taigi and countless others.
Really?? The truth is Jesus and he is the only way and the only who can give eternal life right? and whoever believes in him is save by faith in him right? So that's what believe and wait upon the lord as a Christian evangelical since 1988 and I go what the Bible says not any man. if is in the scripture OT and NT I believe it. The ends times is coming and we as a Christians we will persecuted because of Jesus. But in the bible doesn't say catholics will be persecuted right? so man Don't invent things that is not in the bible for what is coming for us as a Christians.
@@Truthjustice23 There is nothing of Jesus' life in the bible from the ages of 12 to 30, does that also mean that they didn't exist?
Thats the problem, you believe all the words of you're saint's but not the Saviour.
@@NP-vk8de Make no mistake, may the lord have mercy on your soul just as much as mine. My doctrine was decided upon by thousands of men during many councils over many years. Yours was probably decided on by 1 man, you are in error. Remember, my Church is 1, yours is 1 of more than 33,000 rebel churches that thought they new better but fell into heresy.
@@Ven435 Yet another protestant misconception, you guys never cease to amaze with your stupidity, you will fall back into line by hook or by crook.
Jesus instituted the Catholic Church, with a promise that death will not prevail on it.
I/we confess to that.
Hey I've never watched your channel before for what that's worth. Could you put the link for any clips you use in your video description? Interested in what Francis Chan was discussing and who he was talking to in order to see context
Thank you and God bless you
Yes these thumbnail and captions are very misleading.
Crickets 😂
Was that even in english
Hebrews 8:11 “And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.”
Sola Scripture never meant "my own understanding". It's sort of a false dichotomy. It means scripture alone can be utilized to generate dogma. You cannot introduce non-biblical sources as authority. So if you can't find it in the scriptures you cannot claim it as an essential teaching.
That is exactly right. The video starts off totally on the wrong premise. Not surprising. The Catholics are not exactly humbly nor truth bearers
There’s a fundamental flaw with that belief, which is, what is scripture? For us to declare which book is scripture or which book isn’t scripture is determined by the external oral tradition which the Church preserved. Keep in mind, the Bible came from the Church, not the Church from the Bible. Thus, you need an external authority to determine what the Bible itself is. If not, you’ll have hundreds of books with one church claiming this is scripture and another church saying that isn’t scripture.
@@jamesjacob4002 It's not at all a flaw to say that nothing outside of scripture can be used as dogma. Clearly the authority rested on the Apostles. Scripture is what they called scripture or wrote. And where a writing was of indeterminant origin it was conservatively set aside as non-authoritative. So people can debate all they want about what they think should or should not be considered scripture but the authority clearly rested on the 12 apostles and on Jesus himself and their use of scripture.
At the most you might have had a book like Esther being controversial or the letter to the Hebrews or maybe 2nd Peter being controversial for inclusion in the New Testament.
But no new source can be added to scripture. If some council or some Pope enumerates a doctrine not found in the current cannon it's not legit.
If the authority rests on the apostles then how do you justify the gospels of Mark and Luke being canonical when Mark and Luke are not apostles? Then on the opposite side, why is the Epistle of Barnabas and the Didache not canonical?
The apostles did not determine the canon of scripture, it was the Catholic Church that determined it in the Council of Rome and it was approved by Pope Damasus.
Yes, in the Protestant Bible’s, book of Esther, God, is not even mentioned. Not sure how you can even consider Esther canonical in your Bible. However, in the Catholic and Orthodox canon, the Book of Esther mentions God, because we use the Septuagint, which is the primary OT that the apostles used.
How can one say dogma can solely come from scripture, when you and I, have different scriptures?
@@jamesjacob4002 Because they were commissioned by the Apostles. The other Epistles are psuedopigrapha.
We do not interpret but rely on the Holy Spirit. Sola Scriptura is the only way as the Bible is able to explain itself .
@darrenharriott2120 Learn HISTORY! The Bible didn't exist for 300 years! You are a fool and ignorant. The Ancient Churches was the Church and the spread the Gospel! Educate yourself!
I am praying for his conversion to Catholicism.
I pray that he does NOT join Catholicism.
I think it’s pretty unfair to say all Protestants just expect their members to have personal recent interpretation with no authority or accountability. I’m a Protestant but I am accountable to leaders, elders, pastors, church councils, early church fathers, history of church doctrines. Etc
Where we differ is we don’t believe some of the things that the Catholic Church has added later like purgatory, veneration of saints, Mary, infallible papal authority, works based salvation etc. We do hold to all doctrines that were held by the early church for the first 600 years. To say that Protestants just throw all tradition and doctrines and interpretations of the early church away is incredibly dishonest to your audience. It’s a straw man to say that.
Find me a writing by any of the New Testament writers, Iraneas, tertullian, clement, polycarp, Origen, athanasius, ignatius, or any early church father that discusses how we should pray to Mary or saints, baptize infants, purgatory, infallible papacy or works based salvation and then sure ill consider it..
Same sentiments. As a protestant, as I study more and watch more debates and apologetics work from both sides, I can say that we are just brothers having a quarrel.
But then there's "protestants" who are actually heretics: those who reject the deity of Christ
He had a VERY interesting conversation with Jonathan Roumie from the chosen in the documentary “Jonathan and Jesus”. He’s been thinking about his past treatment and thoughts on Catholics for a while.
And catholocism also interprets in a way that directly opposes scripture. Worship of mary, calling her holy. Worship of dead saints. Purgatory and paying for dead relatives in purgatory. Oh and most recent, blessing same sex relationships.
I love brother chan. This is error. I warn every believer to not leave your salvation in the hands of men or women.
Be as the bareans. Hold doctrines, teachings against the standard of scripture. If it doesn't line up, cast it out. Our faith is not built on tradition but TRUTH. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.
After over 25 years of my walk in faith with Jesus Christ, I too have come to realise that Protestantism has elevated the bible to a level that is contrary to what God intends it to be. The all-encompassing "bible-based church" simply equates to how a pastor wants to interpret scripture that day. Being "bible-based" does not in any way mean that the church has any interest in developing your personal relationship with Christ - and in many cases, they are doing quite the opposite. Pharisees and the awful legalistic Pharisee way of thinking is alive and well and doing quite swimmingly across every denomination.
I was raised by devout Baptist parents for which I am grateful. However, there were some really strange beliefs held by some "Bible-believing" churches we were a part of. One church declared that going roller skating in a roller rink was very sinful. So for those two years we did NOT go to a roller rink!
@@thomasvanantwerp728 Yes, your story is a perfect illustration of some of the sheer madness of it all. Jesus says that He has come so that we may have life and have it abundantly. Not so this pastor - he declares rollerskating a sin and bam - your favourite fun time is obliterated from your weekends.
What an utter tonsil.
This kind of crazy needs to end.
A few yrs. back, he came to believe in the Eucharist, but that didn't appear to be enough. Now, it's Sola Scriptura, or lack there of that appears to be pushing him toward the Catholic Church.
It's odd that the word "Catholic" did not come up. I'm sure he realizes that he must turn-on & lose his 100s of 1000s of followers, not to mention his way of earning a living. Then again, God might be willing him to do something very special.
I think you are right in suggesting a lot of the past church’s knowledge and understanding. But modern Catholicism encourages prayer to saints and divinity to Mary… so that’s a hard no for me.
If Catholics are so biblically sound I don’t see how you can read the Bible and think you can pray to saints in heaven or even Mary.
They explain it to me 1000 times but every time it’s just regurgitating what some priest told them, not what the Bible actually says, and not what Jesus commanded. Never did Jesus pray to Moses or pray to Elijah. In fact Jesus said he is the only mediator between man and God.
But Catholics refuse to acknowledge that because why? Because tradition not truth
Well in that case I don't see how you can read the Bible and believe in the Doctrine of Trinity ! Where is it in the Bible ?
@@JDcatholicEngage “I’ll send you a helper, me and the father are one,”
If this is your best argument then I’m actually quite saddened. If someone asks me about the trinity or if a Muslim says the trinity is not found in the Bible I will simply show them scriptures where it’s self evident. It was not canonized into a name but it was talked about and elaborated on.
This is the same terrible argument that says the Bible doesn’t say anything about homosexuality. It’s an argument of obfuscation because the Bible does say “a man shall not lie with another man”
Yes it doesn’t use a word we use today but the Bible describes actions or ideas for us.
Nowhere in scripture do we see ANY saints praying to other dead saints . It’s not a practice , a tradition or a belief. In fact THE ONLY time we see something similar is when Kind Saul was in rebellion and he summoned the dead spirit of Samuel to have a conversation…. But he used the witch of Endor in an occultic practice to do such a thing. But that’s a conversation not prayer. And it involved a witch which we should not consult.
Find me a scripture that says we should pray to humans and not God. Find me an example! A description of this practice! Something. Surely Paul praying to Elijah?
You can’t because We only pray FOR humans.
I’m actually shocked you tried this route. But of course you had to because there’s no such scripture or scriptures you could cite, like I could for the trinity .
Explain your claim of divinity to Mary.
Can I ask you to pray to Jesus for the sake of my mother?
I wouldn't call Ephraim the Syrain modern.
“You victorious martyrs who endured torments gladly for the sake of the God and Savior, you who have boldness of speech toward the Lord himself, you saints, intercede for us who are timid and sinful men, full of sloth, that the grace of Christ may come upon us, and enlighten the hearts of all of us so that we may love him” (Commentary on Mark [A.D. 370]).
2000 years of tradition is nothing if they deny the scriptures. Yes!!! Solo scriptures!!
Jesus founded His One True Church Mt 16 18-19 that became known as Catholic or Universal in 110 which codified your bible in 382. His Church is the fullness of Truth 1 Tim 3:15 & has existed for 2000 yrs, in spite of sinful men, proof of its divine origin
No organisation, such as Protestantism can survive without hierarchy & a unifying authoritative interpreter, the fruits being confusion, division & scandal of 000’s of sects, resulting from personal interpretation, which is not of Jesus who willed unity Jn 17 11-21
No Protestant has ever been able to explain why personal interpretation, if guided by the Holy Spirit has resulted in 000’s sects proving that either the Holy Spirit is wrong or more likely, Protestantism! There are none so blind as those with a darkened intellect which the Holy Spirit obviously isn’t enlightening!
Consider the damage caused to society by relativism, caused by there being many “truths” of Protestantism which have resulted in contraception, which until 1930, all denominations prohibited until the Anglican broke away in 1930, abortion, IVF, divorce, SSM, LGBGT, transgenderism etc. Protestantism has a lot to answer for!
Apostasy has to happen in the end times
Sounds like he's heading that way..... I was never a fan
So, giving more weight to the church fathers and the early church is apostasy? Ok....
Nah, it happened when luther ,Calvin, Knox, and Henry 8th made themselves mini popes and made their own churches and dogmas. So, as you can see, apostasy happens all the time.
Opening statement is a typical misinterpretation of Sola Scriptura. Not surprised.
Nobody in history has shown proof of solo scriptura is in the Bible. They all mix and match to make the scriptures seem to say it. But hey, give it a shot. Prove it.
Please give your definition, from the Bible, of course. Chapter and verse.
He seems to be at the same place I was pre-conversion when I declared myself a "pre-Reformation Christian"!
@@po18guy Yes! I have been Catholic for 20 years! I was recalling my "pre-conversion" mindset.
Sola scriptura originally meant that Luther and Calvin ALONE had the correct interpretation and everybody else were heretics. 🤦♂️
How can sola Scriptura be false when: Sola Scriptura= the Scriptures alone are the inspired-inerrant Word of God. Therefore they are the ultimate authority for the Christian. There is no equal nor greater authority than the Scriptures?
The answer should be obvious...scripture is the inerrant word of God, but INDIVIDUAL INTERPRETATIONS of scripture are all over the map with Protestants. Individual interpretations are quite likely NOT the word of God. You get thousands of denominations and sects when individuals, without authority, declare what a bible passage means. In the bible, Jesus gave that authority to the church He founded (historically, that can only be the Catholic Church) and He promises the leaders of the church He founded that He would send the Spirit of Truth to guide His church into all truth, (John 16:13)and to be with His church always. He prayed that the church stay one. None of that applies to schismatic Protestants 16 centuries later. Reason and common sense should reveal that to intellectually honest people, as Francis Chan is learning. And for thousands of Protestant pastors, it prompted their conversion to Catholicism. The bible itself does not claim sola scriptura...it says that same CHURCH Jesus founded is the pillar and foundation for all truth. (1 Tim 3:15) There was only one Christian church for the first thousand years (minus a few malcontents and early schismatics) and that early church believed the doctrines of the Catholic Church today.
@@richardkramer4076 What is the name of the church that is mentioned in I Timothy 3:15? Does he mention if its the roman church?
Jesus was not speaking to a church in John 16:13 but to His apostles alone.
BTW- the rcc has never infallibly nor officially interpreted the Scriptures. That means all of the millions of Rc's who interpret the Scriptures are their own private fallible interpretations. Millions of interpretations in the rcc. WOW
God is certainly much greater, what has Sola scriptura led to.. individual people each one interpreting scripture in their own way claiming that they have the inspiration of the Holy Spirit... hence we have thousands of denominations of protestantism , occurring because of individual interpretation of the...
holy scriptures... I was a Protestant years ago .. I know that I've heard it said that Protestants agree on the fundamentals of the faith.. but that's not true. even regarding things like baptism, for whether or not Christians have eternal security (which is clear from scripture that we do not) .. regarding baptism, it is seen by the Catholic and Orthodox Church, the idea of infant baptism, because it is a sign of Grace from God. and besides in 1st Timothy, does it not that the church is the pillar and foundation of the faith.. certainly holy scriptures fully inspired by God, without a doubt.. but we are fallible creatures all of us, and though we are Christian we still sin... and we cannot see clearly at all... so how can the Holy Spirit inspire us with right understanding.. .. regarding scripture... since the scripture also says we see through a glass darkly..
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@@Justas399fyi, there's no Roman Church...nor is there an rcc.
But how is that relevant to personal interpretation?
And I know you know already that "Sola" anything isn't mentioned anywhere in holy scripture, sacred tradition or church history before the 16th century.
Why don't you accept that?
Common sense- the printing press was invented in 1400's and the copies of the bible were made years much later. People rely on the clergy, in the Catholic churches because the church had the manuscripts (not the protestants)
Therefore no sola scriptura thousand a five hundred years after Christ founded the Catholic church.
Sola scriptura doesn't makes sense!
As a new Christian that hasn’t chosen a denomination yet, I do get the complexities that arise from individual interpretation of the Bible. But
a) Protestants can and do study the Church Fathers and other historical texts for additional guidance
b) I’m concerned about extreme cases. What if “the authority” tells you to jump off a cliff? Do you obey or do you use your own common sense? (E.g. Pope Francis on same-sex marriage)
A) is mostly false. Protestants who truly study the early church typically convert to Catholicism. Education is the cure for Protestantism.
Don't let anybody force you into anything, always read the Bible and fact check everything someone says to you, we are in an age of technology and have access to many sources that people in the past did not have, take your time, stay in Prayer, ask the LORD for guidance, Peace and blessings of the LORD JESUS CHRIST be with you.
Catholics Popes are having different unbiblical mindset every now and then...
Pls find a bible believing church,
If you can, the evangelicals or baptists that teaches dispensationalism.
But it's up to you.
Pray for guidance.
Welcome to the family of God continue to read your Bible so you can grow and discern Truth from error Ask God to lead you to a Bible teaching church no megachurch I can suggest a great Bible teacher to learn from he won't tickle your ears I promise you that he's a straight shooter and will call out names if you want to grow let me know God bless you brother shalom
There is no hope in the Pope
we can not stay,,, Protestanism,,,,, BUT BE BORN AGAIN
Jesus opend the scripture to the Apostle' s eyes. All we have to do is pray that God open the scripture to our eyes.
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Perhaps you're unaware, but the church started with Adam. Matt 16:23, Mark 8:33
I've written this elsewhere, but I think it's relevant here, too...
One of the main problems with 'Sola Scriptura' is this.....
No one single person can know all there is needed to know in order to accurately interpret the Bible.
Such as.....ancient faiths, Judaism - it's history and the understanding of God's Law and Covenant, Passover, Sacrifice and how it was understood in ancient times and in Jesus's time, anthropology, philosophy (all of it), theology (all of it), history (all of it), comparative cultures, early Christian thought and the Church Fathers, the development of the Biblical Canon, Christology, Christian spirituality, metaphysics, teleology, ontology, eschatology, linguistics, sociology, psychology, Christian ethics, history of politics, liturgy, fine arts, sacrament, free will, morality, literary studies, Essence and Being, Transubstantiation, epistemology, and so on, and so on, and so on.
However, the Tradition of the Church knows all of it and holds on to all of it. The Church, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, can therefore provide a singular, over-arching interpretation of the Scriptures that understands the Old Testament in light of the New, and the New Testament as the fulfillment of the Old. With Jesus guiding interpretation through His Spirit as He promised, the Church knows all that is involved in fully being able to understand salvation history as presented in the Scriptures. ❤
Catholicism has waaaaaaaaaaaaay too many errors in it.
One would be better off becoming Greek Orthodox.
Pause at 4:59. That is not really true. LOOK at the reality of the SPILT between the Jewish and non-Jewish congregations. Anti-Jewish teaching have been around since AT LEAST the days of Justin Martyr!!!!
Could it be that some of the things that the RCC teaches is wrong?
Finally, a right minded protestant.
There is a logical fallacy with Sola Scriptura. There would be no scripture if there wasn't first Church councils to disregard apocrypha from legit scripture. It should be obvious from a historical standpoint that the Catholic Church was prior to Scripture.
Oh yea of little knowledge. It isn’t ignorance that’s scary. It’s the illusion of knowledge
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This guy hits the nail on the head!
The problem with Catholic interpretation is that not once it contradicts scriptures or adds things that are not there. Most protestant denominations agree on the main points, so 33,000 are not true divisions.
Sola Scriptura is not in the Bible, it is self- refuting. 2 Tim 3:16-17 and 1.Cor 11: 12.These 2 verses from different parts of scripture tell the faithful that it cannot be scripture alone but oral tradition is required to understand scripture fully.
What is more powerful, scripture or man's traditions?
Men can fail.
Scripture not.
You say sola scriptura isn’t in the Bible but neither is “oral tradition is requieres to understand fully the scriptures”
I’m a Protestant and fully accept there is wisdom in having an abundance of wise counselors. I don’t discount the work of the Holy Spirit that is what I primarily rely on for helping me interpret the scripture as the ultimate authority with interpretation. I like to read about the early church leaders and how they viewed scripture but I realize the early churches were just as messed up and struggled just as much as I do now according to the epistles and also had some serious problems so I take what they say with a pillar of salt. I think the struggle is where truth is found and is a necessary part of the process of interpretation and try not to let my personal bias interfere. Israel’s original description is those who wrestle with God. I think that is an accurate description of Gods people.
If SS is true, nobody needs to go to school. Study physics on your own, study geography on your own
I'm a Catholic, and I truly belive it it the One Church that Jesus left behind and is the head of. At the same time, if we who are Catholics are honest we shouldn't be to suprised that M.L and the Protestant movement came to be. If we are stil to remain on the line of honesty, the church fathers can also be interpret in a number of ways...etc
But...I honestly am convinced that the Catholic Church (with all it's faults and internal misery) is the One True Church, and that the Reformation was a direct punishment from God for all the misstakes and wrong done by the Church. All that I know, is that Jesus Christ is my Savior and Lord, and that the love for Jesus can be seen in the eyes from both honest Catholics as it can be from honest Protestants, what I can't deal with, is the liberal view of Christianity with it's slogan "My Jesus would never....bla bla"
and then put in your own desires in the word of God, and placing your own moral and thoughts above God.
That movement really makes me sick
Let me add to your point.
Why is it that all over the Bible there is a great emphasis on genealogy?........... Because LINEAGE matters to God.
Genesis 11:10-32, Genesis 36:10-43, Ezra 8:1-15, Ruth 4:18-22, Matthew 1:1-17 etc.
Even if we are not directly related by Blood to Christ. We are related to our Lord through an unbroken Lineage of Faith that has been passed on from one generation to the next.
Everyone is called to be a part of this lineage of the faithful, but unfortunately a lot of people just disregards it.
Hanegraaf is a huge influence. If Francis should convert, it is likely to be the Orthodox East. I would be over the moon if he joins the Catholic Church. But whatever his decision, it is a step closer to the fullness of truth.
Wishing him the very best!
Love the points, perfectly put. Great job!
Where in scripture does Jesus say to pray to Mary ? 😂 That's idolatry, he said to pray in his name. Sola scriptura trumps Catholic dogma.
The Jews, as smart as they were, misinterpreted the Old Testament and missed Jesus's first coming. Why would it come as a surprise that the church continues to misinterpret scripture? Don't believe in something just because it's part of tradition whether it be Catholic or Protestant. Study the word of God carefully yourself.
Francis Chan hasn’t been a respected Protestant minister in over a decade
Jesus hasn't been a respected Jew for over a couple of centuries.
Thank You Jesus for Your One and Only Holy Catholic Church that created the Bible and provides us with the One and Only New Covenant between God and Man.
Luke 22:20
John 6:53
Matt 16:13-20
Francis doesnt know the meaning of sola scriptura.
The correct answer is - If it’s not clearly spelled out in Scripture then we simply don’t know the answer! There is mystery in the Bible! (Mystery to us) if you approach the Bible assuming you can perfectly understand every single verse & have an answer to every single question that pops into your mind, that’s an immature way to approach the Bible. Maturity is Humility. Admitting you don’t know!
This video must be shared far and wide. God bless you. Thank you for sharing the love of Christ first in Sydney and to the ends of the world. I have friends and families all over the world and I am sending this to them.
Praise God Kelly !
This Protestant "pastor" is part of the Prosperity Movement. He is all about deceiving people for money. He is no different than Kenneth Copeland, Todd White, Joel Osteen, etc. This switch to the Catholic church is NOT about repentance. It is about dollar signs. All Catholics should not be fooled by him. This video should not be promoting him.
Divine Holy Mother Virgin Mary,
Please forgive the catholic church active participation in Pedophila
@Joseph your caption is misleading - no where does Francis Chan says that his leaving Protestantism,
Exactly… that’s what they do
A testimony of a former Roman Catholic: "After about 7 years of wrestling, I came out of the RCC about 3 months ago. It was an incredibly difficult decision, but I realized I couldn't keep sitting on the fence. I was stuck. Eventually I realized that regardless of whether some of the things the RCC teaches are true or not, if it requires me to commit even one idolatrous act or affirm one thing that is untrue, then I couldn't be a part of it. Something I just realized in the past couple of days is that the RCC has a different Gospel than the one I believe, and I'm not than the one I believe, and I'm not talking about the usual Protestant argument of faith vs works, etc. The RCC teaches that you have to accept all of its dogmas. As I understand the gospel, it is the simple truth that if someone repents of their sin and believes in Jesus they are saved. In effect, the RCC gospel is repent and believe in Jesus, believe in the Immaculate Conception, sinless life, and bodily assumption of Mary, believe that the first Pope was Peter and that there is a successive line of bishops who are infallible, believe in Purgatory and that your own merits and the merits of others can shorten or eliminate your time there, believe that forgiveness is only through a priest, and believe every other part of Cannon Law put forward by the Church. If you don't affirm any one of those beliefs you are anathematized according to the RCC. That's quite the burden if you ask me. It reminds me of the religious leaders in the time of Jesus, who had added so much to the Law that people were being crushed by it. I will pray that you get some clarity because I know what it feels like to be in that state of limbo.
It's like you want to be fully on board and on fire for Christ, but how can you do that if you don't even know what you believe yourself. At least that's how I experienced it. Either way, don't be afraid. If you are seeking with all your heart, God will direct you. Shalom."
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Protestantism has successfully indoctrinated you with its Propaganda. If you really understood the Truth of His One True Church you would never have left and now scratch with the fowls instead of soaring with the eagles.
Make absolutely sure you see the original interview IN FULL before commenting on Francis from this clip. JD Catholic Engage has taken the pieces he wants to underline his points (and he's done it in good faith, I think to highlight his own points... which is fair.) But if you want to comment on Francis Chan based on just this clip, it's not really fair to him until you've seen the whole of his interview here: ruclips.net/video/2bH4hpCB2VU/видео.htmlsi=FhvsPluST57SA2A3
I can read and understand Ephesians 2:8=9 and understand it. My works can't gain or contribute to my salvation. It is self righteousness to think my actions can improve upon the voluntary death burial and resurrection of the LORD Jesus Christ.
No not our interpretation trumps thousands of years of church tradition… it is the scripture itself that supersedes any “church”. The church is not defined because they call themselves “the church”. The church is defined by the truth it claims to preach and teach. If the Catholic Church began to teach that we are to sacrifice a lamb before we go to sleep every night… I don’t need a church to qualify that directive. I can emphatically refuse to do that because scripture teaches that the sacrificial system has ceased.
It’s also important to understand that according to John 1… Jesus is the Word. Therefore the scripture is more than text, but is the written expression of the physical manifestation… God in flesh. So I’ll stick with His words.
Francis Chan is describing eisegesis, as opposed to exegesis. Many protestants do not subscribe to the former either. Also, saying, "multitude of protestant denominations" is simply engaging in false categories because ultimately, Catholicism is also a form of denomination, whether you accept it or not.
Catholicism was the only church on earth for over 1,000 years. If you learn church history it was literally called the One, Universal Catholic church because they all followed the same teachings. ENSURING NO OTHER DENOMINATIONS EXISTED. Denominations weren't a "thing" until almost 1,000 years after Jesus started His ONE church.
Also Catholicism also has denominations within it. Dominican,Jesuit, and even pentecostal catholics who speak in tongues.
@sAcatholicBOOK Not really. as early as 58 AD before the fall of Jerusalem, there were pockets of Christians that tended to separate from the body of Christ. The council of Jerusalem recorded in Acts and Galatians had to deal with this early denomination. So its is not true that denominations only existed after 1,000 years.
@@ahaahaaay3483 They were not considered true Christians... by Paul and other Apostles/disciples. All kind sof people were trying to make up there own version, Jews mixing in there beliefs with the Gospel, pagans intertwining there beliefs and practices with Christianity. But they were immediately stopped and the word spread that those groups were not actually Christians, even though they used Jesus name or claimed to be Christian. So no, technically they're weren't denominations back then, they were considered different religious sects... not denominations. Paul said One Gospel, and don't follow others even if they use Jesus name. 😁🙏🏻
@@JesusChurchBible Isn't it that when sects grew, they became denominations? Like the Ebionites who existed in way before 1,000 AD when they were described by Irenaeus in 180. In fact this "sect' gave rise to early the divide between Antioch and Alexandrian churches.
Granted that sects are different from denominations if they depart greatly from the original source. How about the Jewish Christian and the gentile Christians in Alexandria and Antioch? If we follow you thoughts, then denominations already exists in the early church history.
There were Jewish Christians that adhere to the laws, pretty much like the how Paul and the apostles do. And then there were gentile Christians like Cornelius and Apollos of Alexandria, that were instructed to refrain from being circumcised in keeping with grace. Two denominations. Around 58 - 65 AD. Both existed well before 1,000 AD.
1 Cor. 1:12
. . . One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.”
Denominations, in Paul's letters. Way before 1,000 AD.
The Protestant movement was needed. It is to the shame of the leadership in the Catholic Church that it was needed. Additionally, some of the early church fathers would be ashamed of what the Catholic Church had become and the numerous abuses of power. If the Catholic Church had its way, the Bible would still be available only in Latin. Corruption plagued the Catholic Church up to its highest levels. The big error of this video is making a giant assumption that Francis Chan would consider Catholicism because he questions sola scriptura. I venture to say that Francis Chan would ardently reject certain religious beliefs and practices of the Catholic Church. This video is misleading in its interpretation of Francis Chan’s views and is misleading about the Catholic Church and about so-called “Protestants.” The Catholic Church is not the only church that values the work of early church fathers. One of the problems is veneration. No theologian is above scrutiny. That is one major failure of the Catholic Church. Popes have been given such Hugh authority that they have been able to introduce false teaching into the Catholic faith. So much could be said on all of these points. The title of this video works as clickbait but holds little theological value.
Hmmmm im wondering who “gave” these popes this authority… well never mind that-
If the Catholic church/popes teach false teachings, then please explain why ALL Bible believing people receive their rule of faith, the Bible, from her…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved it by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
The early church was one before the Catholicism. They had the Spirit of God teach them about Christ not a council.
And we currently that same arrangement The Spirit of God pouring out in our hearts showing us the love of Christ, the finished worked through scriptures.
The scripture and the Holy Spirit not just the scripture alone.
Maybe Francis Chan relies a lot on himself and not on the grace available in Christ through the Holyspirit.
33,000 different interpretations is arrogance and narcissism without limits. Each person has made themselves into a depraved idol and unclean and unHoly Spirit by ignoring Christ's words: 'Peter, you are rock and upon this rock I build my church' which by the way comes solely from scriptura.
The urge to elevate the status of saved men to that of the divine is worrying.
PETER THE ROCK
Jesus asked "Who do people say I am" and Peter replied "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God", Jesus replied "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." The truth about who exactly Jesus is is the Rock on which the church is built. 1 Corinthians 3:11 - "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ". The Rock of Ages is Jesus Christ on Him alone. 1 Corinthian 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." He (Christ) is the Rock on which the church is built, He alone is unwavering He alone is immovable. There is no way in God's gracious plan for salvation that a man as shaky would be the ROCK or any of your popes.
MARY THE DIVINE MOTHER
Luke 11:27-28 "And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”" Even in the Lord's time, people tried to elevate Mary to an unacceptable point (blasphemous point) of divinity. But He said we who obey his words are more blessed than Mary. As I type this I say to you following scripture that I am more blessed than Mary when I obey his word.
There is more narcissism in catholicism
Than in any other denomination. A denomination that worships man and plays down the role of Jesus Christ in the church.
Excellent content!
It’s funny, but Francis Chan states that HE’S still studying Church History in order to make a decision. We’ll, isn’t that the same as studying the Bible yourself? He’s relying on himself also to come to a conclusion about Church History. Who says he’s correct?
And how do we get the correct Bible interpretation from Catholic priests, who rarely read the Bible themselves? I was raised in the Catholic Church and never heard a word about interpretation of Scripture all my years growing up. I was even an Altar Boy and never even knew there was a Bible.
There are no Bible studies at Catholic Churches that I know of.
The Bible is a secret in the Catholic Church!
The Holy Spirit is given to each of us when we accept Jesus as our Saviour. The Holy Spirit teaches discernment and will guide us in our studies.
It takes time, and people are impatient and give up too easily.
Trust Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
1 John 2:27 - “and ye need not that any man teach you:”
Jesus is the Light of the World.
He will Illuminate Gods Word for each of us if we will truly trust Him.
Romans 8:38-39
God Bless all! 🙏
There are Bible studies in Catholic Churches, Priests do read the Bible, the Bible is read every day at Mass, the Bible isn’t a secret in the Catholic Church. I’m sorry that you weren’t encouraged to read scripture as a child.
“The Bible is a secret in the Catholic church??? Really???
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved it by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
Francis Chan is a great preacher, and it takes a lot of humility for him to say these things! Since the Council of Jerusalem as recounted in Acts 15, the Church has always convened her most learned men to discuss matters of faith and morals...often with great debate. But then they come to a consensus that we believe is guided by the Holy Spirit.
There are so many verses in the Bible which can be interpreted in several ways. The person who thinks he has it all is self deceived.
Praying for Francis Chan - his on way to the catholic church, we praying for him.
Francis Chan is forgetting a very important equation about interpretation of the Scriptures, the Holy Spirit.
So is Pentecostalism the truth?
Where denominations contradict each other on essential issues? That's the Holy Spirit?
any denomination that disagrees with essential doctrines (the trinity, the divinity of Christ, the virgin birth, etc.) we don't consider them denominations, they are cults. @@jacobwoods6153
which of the thousands “versions” of the Holy Spirit will always be lingering
The Holy Spirit is not the God of confusion.
Why the 30k+ denominations of Protestantism? Why can’t you settle whose interpretation is from God and who’s not? Or are you saying all of them are correct? (Since at least they are not “rOmAn cAtChOliC”)
Total click bait...Chan has never said anything about leaving Protestantism and converting to Rome.
I'm a Protestant who has been married to a Catholic for nearly 25 years now. I've had my periods of regular church attendance with my family to Catholic churches and my periodic attendance, just as I've done my whole life. Religion is a topic I wrestle with, as how I express it, and as time went on, I see one's faith as a matter of personal practice. At the present, I'm attending pre-RCIA to understand the Catholic Church more, to be more at peace with it, and perhaps give me an option to join the Catholic Church if I end up choosing to do so. Whatever I decide, I'm sure I'll continue to see myself as ecumenical. I'm not seeking labels for myself.
I've been aware of Francis Chan, and although not perfect as no one is, I've had a comparitively more positive impression with him than with some others. What he does say has reflected my thoughts for quite some time, and that is scripture is interpreted differently by different, often if not usually, well-meaning and well-intended individuals. I don't see any one person's interpretation is perfect. And that also includes this RUclips channel.
The focus is on Jesus Christ being the Son of God and how He paid for our sins in the cross. The Bible has numerous teachings. I have my own personal views, just as others, which I feel shouldn't be incorporated into any theology, as how to approach our beliefs. I've seen too much focus on our differences, often expressed ro show what others have that are wrong, or "wrong". None of us have all the answers, but we shall continue our faith journeys.
How many times have you been wrong about something? Thats why Jesus left us a church. To help guide us and teach us. You have to let go of pride and be led by Jesus and His church. it's called the Mystery of Faith for a reason! That's what we always remind our kiddos in our RCIA class. You may not understand it, but that's part of why we have the church. You have to stop thinking you're going to understand or know it all. You won't nobody does. Only Jesus does. Thats why he is our example, because even though we think we know what we are doing in life we still mess up. You have to trust in God and He left us a church. Follow that church blindly and be led to the Kingdom. Peace be with you brother on your journey. I was only baptized in the Church 4 easters ago and it's the best thing to happen to me besides my wife who got me into the Catholic church!
So God gave us the Bible only to tell us - you cannot understand it. Your God is absurd, Francis is confused - Jer 17:5
HOW ARE WE LEAD BY THE HOLY SPIRIT TO THE RIGHT INTERPRETATION?
Are we led by FAITH and REASON, or are we led by FAITH, REASON and LIVING it?