Let’s be real, Fez was always like that. He lusted after Jackie and constantly fawned over her in a creepy manner, except he was seen as being more innocent because he was the “new foreign exchange guy”. By the time the decade came to an end for the series, he was already a westernized American boy with all the typical tropes.
@@TwoBs "By the time the decade came to an end for the series, he was already a westernized American boy with all the typical tropes." Which is why they should have used him as the That 80's lead.
@@TwoBs what are you exactly, a jaded school psychologist? Seriously, such killjoys all of you are. Trying to ruin all of our childhoods. You want to be miserable? Do it on your own. Anyone using terms like "trope", is usually a d-bag. Fez is fucking funny. Don't tease the foreign kid.
@@SIZModig lol "Don't tease the foreign kid", is what Red used to say. This BB looks like a troll account, and look at the words this person used. Who talks like that?
The show wasn't even supposed tonbe called That 70s Show. It had another name but I think execs kept referring to it as 'that 70s show' that the creators just rolled with it. The time period was never the real focus of the show.
100% this. We watched the first episode and, when it became clear that the whole show was going to scream "THIS IS THE '80S" every five minutes, we never watched again.
That 70s show was as you stated about being a teenager and coming of age. With a nod of appreciation and nostalgia for the era it's set in. I was a teenager while the show was on air and I liked it because all of the characters were relatable. They seemed alot like myself and my peers. That's why it's a great show.
@@joejames1794 It was set in 1980. The 80s didnt become the 80s until around 83-84. I dont think Freaks and Geeks should be labelled as the true 80s show. Its set on the eve of 70s life style and pop culture.
@@Jays_dead_cat Hard disagree on that. Freaks and Geeks is a true 80s show, it's just that the 80s were far more diverse than their stereotyped version. If you can only rely on the basest stereotypes for a whole decade, you get stuff like That 80's show.
That 70s show was also amazingly casted, everyone in the main cast is great. Kurtwood smith (Red) was so good in that role. Imagine the show without him I personally think he had alot to do with its success.
@@joe.limbus I don’t believe that’s true, I know several of the cast didn’t get along. Topher grace was originally suppose to be a bigger aspect of the show and was bitter as a result that’s why he’s absent from reunions, also Mila Kunis and Ashton didn’t get along however they are married now haha
I didn't saw the whole series, but I used to watch some episodes when I catched them on tv. I found it to be really funny, and before this video I had no clue it was a cheers spinoff haha
The reason "That 70's Show" worked so well was because the characters were likable and relatable, and the situations could take place in any decade. Almost EVERY joke in "80's Show" hinges on "It's a reference to an 80's thing! That's why it's SO hilarious, do you get it?!"
When the fuck was Eric likeable? He was the most fucking annoying protagonist in history. The people who say he was likeable are the people who see the show as nostalgia. I watched it 3 years ago, and hated Eric from the start.
Happy Days was the original flashback retro style sitcom. Like ‘That 70s Show’, it had heart, humour a great characters. It also used the backdrop of the 50s and 60s as aesthetic tools for nostalgia, not to necessarily drive the entire plot.
@@jonnnnniej it's certainly not groundbreaking by any means. But it's a solid, cleverly written show with likeable characters and a pretty sweet soundtrack that is actually entertaining as we. Im ok with them cashing in on my Nostalgia when they do such a solid go of it 👍🏻
They’re definitely wouldn’t have been because the show came out in 2003 and sunny came out in 2005 so if this was a hit, then there would be no development of sunny
@@domholden5926 It is: "This pilot was shopped by the actors around various studios, their pitch being simply showing the DVD of the pilot to executives. After viewing the pilot, FX Network ordered the first season."
@@condohatesme in your defense there are a lot of shows that got big in weird ways. I wanna say they started as a RUclips comedy troupe, the way the dudes from Workaholics made a skits online and pitched a show and Lonely Island (Andy Samburg, Akiva Schaefer, Jorma) pivoted to doing Digital Shorts on SNL. I could be wrong of course but FX really did used to just play old action movies and have been creative in expanding their market. My favorite animated show of all time is South Park and as many know that was two goofy buds from film school who animated a 10 minute gag about Jesus fighting Santa by cutting out paper and put it on a VHS tape that found it's way to a comedy central exec. I studied media in school around the time RUclips launched. I enjoyed making short films but ultimately was too self conscious to have the drive and motivation to stay at it. Even now I have a billion ideas a day that I let fly away. The point is I've done everything a studio does from the writer's room to the technical director's chair where they flip the feeds on live TV but I didn't want to do local news and knew I couldn't afford to move to LA or NYC to create. RUclips came out around that time, but again, I pussy footed around and gave up. I found out last year that Markiplier went to my high school. He was in marching band playing the same instrument as me a year after I dropped band because my best friend thought it was lame. Not only did I miss out on two years of fun, competitive music, I could have networked and created with the goofiest guy to make millions by making people laugh but, unlike Mark, I didn't drop out of college when I should've. Fortunately the housing market crashed and I've been perpetually broke ever since. Hmm. That was a little longer than intended.
That 80’s show failed because it was too awesome for people to understand. I loved this show. The motivational tapes, the Dynasty Shots. It was totally RAD!!!
@@boratsagdiyev5679 they're talking about it's always Sunny in Philadelphia. The actor that played Dennis in that show is in the thumbnail of this video
The reason why "That 70s Show" resonated so much for me, was I could identify almost each character as my classmates from my highschool. Each episode was also incredibly histerical.
In Dennis's defense, the cast of 80s Show was so annoying! I (barely) lived through the 80s and there were people like that. They had NO friends because they were posers.
That 90's show is about to be the most late 2000's thing i've ever seen lol. It didn't give off 90's vibes even in the slightest. The kids look like they're about to pull out their phones to shoot a tiktok.
Seriously, they should have just continued the 70s gangs future into the 80s, that one episode where they showed Eric and everyone in the 80s was actually one of my favorite episodes, I would have loved a whole season of it honesty.
Nah, it should use a new younger cast. That decision wasn't wrong, nor the connection to the Foremans. But the show can't primarily revolve around the 80's backdrop environment. It needs to be a well written show with characters people care about first.
Eric's actor didn't want to be part of the show anymore which is why he wasn't in the last season at all besides the last episode. And both Kelso and Jackie were moving onto bigger things so it's unlikely they would of wanted to come back either
Nobody dressed in clown costumes in the 80s. You're picking a picture from a stage show, or an album cover and assuming that was 24/7 life. Those people got beat up and made fun of. The 80s were the Bundy's, Married with Children... That was the purest picture of the Decade I've seen.
I was born in 2006 and watched that 70s show a lot, like, the whole show at least double digits, I can tell you nostalgia for the 70s did nothing for me, obviously. It was the characters, the situations and how they reacted, the 70s setting was never gimmicky and seemed decently realistic, not like it was just set in that time but the characters actually LIVED in the 70s, in the 80s show the characters seemed like stereotypes and cliches broken down
I loved That 70's Show and watched it all the time when I was younger and I didn't even know That 80's Show existed. 😮😂 I think that says a lot about how well the show did.
I don't know if this will make sense, but that 70's show gave me a feeling like I was actually back in the time period, even though it was a bit before my time. That 80's show didn't give me that feeling, and actually felt fake. And I grew up in the 80's.
Makes sense, because I felt the same way. When watching That 70s Show with my mom, she would comment and say “lord, this is like watching my own high school years with the references”, but when we all watched That 80s Show …. ehhhh. The references were there, but it’s delivery didn’t hit. The chemistry among the cast was bare, and it felt like I was watching a show set in the early 2000s with a bunch of people who were stuck in the 80s. It didn’t _feel_ like they were actually in that time period and it became obvious the show was only done in hopes of making some bank off of That 70s Show audience. Plus, That 70s Show worked SO well because at the time it aired, the fashion styles from the 70s was starting to make a comeback in the late 90s. It even helped spur some of my own fashion choices during that time (like copying an outfit Jackie had and wearing my hair like Donna’s to my first day of 8th grade lol). When That 80’s Show aired, there was no revival for the 80s fashion at the time. Skinny jeans, acid wash denim, and teased hair was far from a comeback, and the spin-off just didn’t feel authentic with the style choices. Looked a lot more like costumes at times than anything - unnatural.
Yupp, like I said earlier, perfect for sitcoms like Family Ties and such. The 70's is perfect for this show... a group off burnout teenagers, a hippie burnout right after the 60's ended. A cynical war veteran still "young" enough to play an actual working man. Yet, all his cynicisme comes out as hilarious. Also, the economic hardships with Red losing his job and such... the love/hate for discomusic, feminism in it's full bloom and lets not forget the epic circle moment that would never work in an 80's show. Perfect era for such a show.
@@DamienDrake Nostalgia isn't a feeling perse. Bittersweet would be a better way to describe it. Looking back to both the positive and the negative things in life.
You know, i know it's been a few years since it started, and maybe has a different target audience, but The Goldbergs could stand as a real "That 80s Show"
One of the reason "That '80s Show" didn't work, was because it was tremendously premature. A show like that, if retooled properly, would work today. The last 10 years have seen renew interest in nostalgia, especially the '80s. Shows like "Stranger Things" among several others, have used the '80s as a backdrop and have walked away with wildly successful shows. The '80s rocked hard and people seem to have more love for the '80s than the '70s, in my opinion. This could have just been a question of timing.
Yeah, The Goldbergs has done a better job with the 80s for their comedy backdrop, though they left the main character in high school far too long. He started in his young teens, but now he's in his 20s.
Have you ever heard of the "30 year rule"? The idea being that a culture will become enamored with the romanticised aesthetics of the culture from about 30 years prior, give or take a few years. Happy Days is a solid example, a late 70s sitcom about teens in the early 50s. Same with, as you said, Stranger Things, a 2010s show about 80s kids. This is probably a huge reason why That 70s Show worked; while yes it started in the late 90s it really hit its golden age in the early 00s. It was just enough time between then and the target era to be in that sweet spot. Meanwhile That 80s Show was depicting an era that was just starting to make a name for itself, as far as defined aesthetics go.
All very good points in this thread. And yes, the Goldbergs, while not an amazing show, is quite respectable and does do the decade more justice than the 80s show
So a fun story, I was in a band a couple of decades ago and one of our songs got picked up by this studio to be on their soundtrack for this show. They were even entertaining the idea of using it for the intro theme.. wow, what could have been huh? LOL
I watched that 70’s show growing up, and I remember when the trailers for that 80’s show came out, and thinking: there’s no way this show is going to last.
I suffer from chronic pain and sometimes the only thing that makes me smile is this show. You can say whatever you want about it but there are times I honestly believe it saved my life.
@@violetdusk1968 That's like I don't remember Chyler Leigh or Brittany Daniel being in this show, instead remember them from other movies better, Not Another Teen Movie and Joe Dirt respectively.
I remember when that aired. I was around 13 years old. I watched a few episodes but I couldn't really get into it. Nostalgic sitcoms can be a great thing. "Happy Days" is a perfect example of that. But I felt like it hadn't been long enough, for people to miss the 80s as much as people missed the 70s. I couldn't really miss either decade because I wasn't born until 1988.
I remember liking That 80s Show when it first came out and was sad when it got canceled. Yeah a lot of it didn't work but the parts that did had me hooked. I'm really interested to see what netflix does with That 90s Show.
I told my 13 year old daughter who LOVES that 70s show, that the creators should have made that 80s show as a continuation with the actors that wanted to stay on that 70s and the actors that wanted to leave could freely leave, instead of having 100% new characters that looked like they were made to be hated…
You need to do a comparison of That 70s Show first 13 episodes vs that 80s show 13 episodes. Trying to compare the 2 when characters have been developed, storylines. The clips you’re showing for that 70s show are well beyond the 13 episodes.
I've always thought that both Tuesday and Corey were very likeable and well written characters, like they're not "dumb because the situation demands it" but are actually relatable and consistent. The other characters are extremely forgettable though.
The only thing I remember about that 80's show is every time someone talks about that 70's show I gotta go "Hey do you guys remember That 80's show !?" And everyone giggles... That's it.
Another issue is that it looks like a parody of 80's tv shows & movies, not the actual 80's. The characters and sets may have fit right in something like Sixteen Candles or Alf, but they don't look anything like realistic representations of the 80's that most people would have typically seen in real life.
I remember the promotion for That 80's Show but I was under the impression that it was just a one time special. I had no idea they made 13 episodes, lol.
I can’t stand a show whose gimmick is “it’s this time and things are changing”. I remember the weak jokes and that one that was in real bad taste. “I’m talking on my cellular phone! Not a car phone A CELLULAR PHONE!” “Boy these girls here in the 80’s are markedly different from a previous time.” “Can anything get better than a NINTENDO?!” “Can you believe that DIET COKE exists?!” “I don’t know why but Mr. Brady is getting thinner and thinner.” Awful...
I always watched that show with a creepy dissonance lurking in my head. I couldn't put words to it at the time, but I must've been wondering why these people who seemingly hate and abuse each other keep interacting. The laugh track didn't help
Thats what all shows and most movies for that matter from the 2000s - present have the same cynical abusive attitudes, and I also saw people in real life at junior high acting the same
That 70s Show seemed to take pride in the decade, with the show even bringing in some special guest stars from the 70s. That 80s Show just seemed to want to make fun of the 80s
It got better as the season progressed and developed. They had guest stars like Pat Benatar and a member from Duran Duran for example. That '70s Show took a little time to develop too, all sitcoms do. That '80s Show just wasn't given the chance to do so and it's sad because within the last few episodes I was really getting into it
I really enjoyed this show. I sometimes go back and re-watch it since it's such a short run. Like, it's nothing special. But I really liked it even with everything wrong with it.
I made up my mind a long time ago if I ever met glenn howerton Id pretend that I only recognized him from that 80s show stictly because I assume litteraly everyone that sees him makes an its always sunny reference
I was binging that 70's show one day and started noticing a lot of similarities between that 70's show and its always sunny in philidelphia. For instance, showing the day, time and location before each episode. Like, "Eric's basement, Tuesday, 4pm". They do the exact same thing before each Sunny episode. The text even looks exactly the same. Then I started noticing a lot of other similarities like the brother sister hate dynamic between Eric/Lori and Dennis/Dee and even how Fez always calls ppl a bitch. Its almost exactly how Dennis does it to Dee. There are many other similarities and then I realized Glenn Howerton was on that 80's show and it all made sense. They either have some of the same writers working on its always sunny or they are borrowing a lot of the same elements. But im not complaining cuz they are two of the funniest shows ever created.
I remember when this show came out. I was like, "huh, that show sounds ok." I watched the first episode up to the first commercial break, and never looked at it again. A couple years later i wondered if that show was still on tv. Guess now i know.
Funny thing, after all these years, I still remember a scene in the first episode, where Glenn Howerton's character just rips into Chyler Leigh's character, going on about how he was truly punk back in its heyday, and that she was just a play-acting kid, crying for attention-- and then basically does a mic-drop. It was raw, moment, with genuine narrative tension, the only part of the episode that felt like it came from a real place; and even though the characters were still unlike-able afterward, it was memorable, at least to me. Also, the characters who worked at the record-store, they were perfect examples of what people hated about their local record-stores, and why most went out of business. I don't think you can build a sitcom with characters the audience finds obnoxious and insufferable. The show was probably doomed from the start. Anyway, that's all I got; all the best, everybody.
The fact Sofia’s bisexuality was all she was reduced to is a very, VERY common problem among people attempting to be inclusive in their media. People are more than their gender identities or sexualities, and it’s REALLY annoying to see other queer folks boiled down to that one aspect about themselves. I mean, I’m queer, and if my sole characterization was my sexuality, I’d be so upset. It’s such a small part of who I am, and while for others it may be a bigger role in their’s, it’s plain disrespectful to ignore the rest of a person’s, well, PERSON.
@@kva5751 It may look that way, at first, till you get to know that individual. My best friend, my bro from another hoe, seems like his whole personality revolves around his gayness, but it really, really doesn’t. He just found his niche. It almost seems comparable to me to say someone whose whole personality is their sexuality and an avid hunter who wears nothing but plaid or camo have in common that people outside their community boil those people down to that one aspect of who they are.
I watched this a couple years back on hulu it was okay to me it was cheesy at first but then I saw. a little potential once the chacters where set in plac des
This. I caught it on Hulu too. First few episodes didn't even seem to know what it wanted to do outside of "hey, it's the 80s!" The characters and subplots got fleshed out after it was too late in the season to win the audience back.
I remember being excited when I first saw a promotion for this show in the early 2000s then being extremely disappointed when it had nothing to do with the original cast. I remember the show just coming and going as if nothing and fading into obscurity.
I remember trying to watch "That 80s Show" when it started. Now that I'm seeing these clips, it's giving me a Disney channel/ Nickelodeon show with the over-acting.
@@willverschneider1102 the fact that the debut of That 70s Show is now farther in the past than the show’s setting was at the time really messes with me
Like how the turtle club scene from master of disgusie was filmed during it? Heck it was humorous for me and my cousins except we had no idea what was going on since we were little
I was very invested in that 80s show, hoping they would start fresh after a like warm final season of 70. Watched this when it happened, thought it was okish. Now, oh boy I'll have to watch it again.
Didn't work for Glenn then he went on to help write and star in his own sitcom with his buddies, having the time of his life, to become the longest running sitcom in television history. just makes me so happy
"That 70's show" had writters that grew up in the 70's so with that knowledge they didn't have to rely on stereotypes,even though most of the same writters came back for "That 80"s show" they were already adults during the 80's and so they ended up relying on stereotypes way to much and the boring "this was an 80's thing remember"? One liner jokes and just fell flat.
That 80s Show was not a direct spin-off. Despite having similar names, it was really just to capitalize off of That 70s Show’s popularity. None of the characters were the same.
As someone who was too young for Cheers when it was around, and someone who never watched Frasier, but also someone who has heard of both shows 1000's of times over my lifetime... I was absolutely blown away just now to learn that Frasier is a character from cheers. I have never, ever, in my 31 years on this planet, learned that information until right now somehow... ... ... How? ... Like... This is another one of those things that makes me feel like I slipped into a slightly different timeline
I do think a “that 90s show” can totally work really well. See cuz there’s this general boredom in the 70s that makes these characters relatable even to this day. I’d say there is a very similar vibe in the 90s. The 80s is too exciting and iconic it’s hard to relate to for people who didn’t live through it.
You are probably around 45 and grew up in the 80s. For me, who grew up in the 90s, the 80s are a boring time in which nothing happend, while the 90s are a vibrant and interesting decade. There's nothing iconic about the 80s, but the 90s are full of iconic images.
I was not alive at all in the 80s and this is just my opinion. It just seems to me generally speaking the 70s and 90s share a similar vibe in a general sense. And that is one of the reasons why “That 70s Show” resonated so well with a 90s audience. Just a very basic observation that’s all.
@@mallagallabumbum8209 didn't grow up in the 80s or 90s... but no. 80s was the decade of decadence for a reason lol. That decade was vibrant, full of consumerism, etc. Its far too much. It was all about who and what. Whereas the 90s settled for more laid back after all of that. The clothing even mirrored that reality, in both decades
They made a Girls Gone Wild reference in That 80s show, when that particular term and franchisee did not exist until 1997. The character could not have known about it, unless we're led to believe he later invented it, and he did not.
I think I remember an interview with one of the creators saying that the spinoff angle was the network's idea: the original pitch did not include any link to the previous show. It's a shame, really. The show wasn't particularly good but I don't remember it being particularly awful either: it was just another show that needed time to find its footing. I'm not saying it wouldn't have been canceled if it had another title but being compared to another show that was particularly strong right off the bat, like That 70s' Show was, could not have helped.
I think the fact that this show came before the big 80's nostalgia contributed to it's failure as well. In the late 90's, early 00's, the 80's were kind of dispised, so the whole vibe seams kind of mean, instead of loving and nostalgic. You could also see this when Friends did flashback episodes, they felt VERY different from Stranger Things
I feel like the Wedding Singer and Donnie Darko were a couple of the first movies to tap into 80s nostalgia. I don’t remember it being despised, but 80s style was made fun of to seem old and outdated.
@@MrVisde You're right, despised may be a strong word... I personally couldn't stand 80's music, but later came to appreciate it. Anyway, it took a few years for it to become a nostalgia phenomenom
@@nataliacarrera5755 i legit wore a white sport jacket and t shirt at my graduation party in 02. Loved Miami Vice. My friends dad was a dj and he made me 80s mix tapes from his library. 📼
Except that's 70's Show wasn't cancelled? The series literally ended with all the original cast reunited for the New Year's countdown taking place on Dec. 31st, 1979, literally ending on the last second of the 70s. If that isn't a show that ran its full course I don't know what is.
Whether it was cancelled or not is a question of what the big bosses decided. It is technically even possible they cancelled it so it would end at a certain point, in this case the date you mention. And it's possible to make a show end at a certain point - be it a certain date or after a certain event - by planning the course of the show in such a way after finding out it was cancelled and that for example the following season would be the last.
The show ran 8 years. The opening credits license plate expiration sticker started at 1976 & changed every few seasons. The timeline was under their control. It's wasn't 1 season, 1 year. But people had left, stories had been played out & it was time to end it before it became Saved By The Bell with weird adult Screech & Mr Belding just cashing paychecks.
After you showed that article about how they created the show, I can add to the reasons. The Biggest mistake people make in Marketing is thinking that OTHER people are the same as they are. It's never true. As one of my best Marketing professors, back in college, never stopped reminding us: "It doesn't matter what I think. It matters what THEY think." His mantra, that he never grew tired of repeating, was: "What's in THEIR heads." That is what Marketing research is for: figuring out what is in THEIR heads...determining what THEY want. A good marketing person completely rejects what HE would want in a product, in favor of what hos available research shows his target market would want in a product. Seems like these people wrote a show about their lives in the 80s, and nobody gave a shit. Go figure. I was a teenager in the 80s, not at all bitter, with thoughts of playing football and chasing girls...noty bitterness about a shitty job and some desire to go to Hollywood. That 80s show was set in "my decade" but it wasn't relevant to ME and MY 80s...at all. That 70s show, and Happy Days were successful because both focused on just being teenagers in their assigned decades. EVERYONE remembers being a teenager. Being a teenager is an experience we can ALL relate to. That 80s show failed because it embraced a life experience that too few people cared about.
I agree,I wanted to write a simulair comment yet you said it all. I thought it was fun seeing it set up in a record store and thought nice it will be a lot about 80s music to but not even that. My 80s was also mostly about sport, chasing girls and music. I cant even remember how many walk mans ive burned though.
It's worth noting what drove the premise of "That 70s Show" in the first place: a vague timeline update of "Happy Days", a show about the 1950s produced in the 1970s. Thus you had a show about the 1970s produced in the 1990s. What drove this successful dynamic? The element of wistful nostalgia, specifically for youth; this means childhood, or at least its furthest limits in high school. As noted, the show creators drew on elements of their own memories of the era when creating "That 70s Show", but when looking at the 1980s, bitterly remembered an unpleasant time of disappointment and relative hardship (an aesthetic much more in line with "It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia"). The trouble is that properly replicating the formula into the 1980s would mean a re-imagining of the world of "Full House", John Hughes' movies, "The Cosby Show", "Who's The Boss?", and the "Back To The Future" films. Arguably, this would have been next to impossible for a team of writers who did not have happy memories of the 1980s; it risks being a pastiche, like "Easy A" or "Wandavision".
I keep reading references to a 90’s Show. The only 90’s Show I recognize are Friends and Living Single. The 80’s Show failed because it wasn’t funny and the characters aren’t relatable characters so it doesn’t bring up an nostalgia. Try watching Pretty in Pink for 80’s nostalgia we all know a Ducky.
It was too soon. That 70’s show was centered 20 years after Happy Days was, and which was also a huge success. But the measure a shows success is the number of seasons it runs. So a successful period show like this is going to run right into the next decade, so there has to be some time lapse between them.
I liked Fez as the culture-shocked optimist that he started out as rather than the skeevy stalker hiding in Donna's closet that they turned him into.
Let’s be real, Fez was always like that. He lusted after Jackie and constantly fawned over her in a creepy manner, except he was seen as being more innocent because he was the “new foreign exchange guy”. By the time the decade came to an end for the series, he was already a westernized American boy with all the typical tropes.
@@TwoBs "By the time the decade came to an end for the series, he was already a westernized American boy with all the typical tropes."
Which is why they should have used him as the That 80's lead.
@@TwoBs what are you exactly, a jaded school psychologist? Seriously, such killjoys all of you are. Trying to ruin all of our childhoods. You want to be miserable? Do it on your own. Anyone using terms like "trope", is usually a d-bag. Fez is fucking funny. Don't tease the foreign kid.
@@psychedelicfright85 it's not teasing Fez, who just plays a character anyway, it is criticism of how his character is written
@@SIZModig lol "Don't tease the foreign kid", is what Red used to say. This BB looks like a troll account, and look at the words this person used. Who talks like that?
Glen Howerton being on the shortest and worst while also being on best and longest comedy shows off all time is actually kind of impressive
Mash?!
@@idontwannaidontwanna7307 mash only ran for 11 years, it's always sunny's been running for 17 (neither are the longest though so..)
@@chrazzl regardless, the original comment still stands
@@chrazzl Meet the Press is the most longest running TV program; it's been on air since _1947_ . Not even joking.
@@rayvega3163 i mean i guess thats a comedy show, topical humor and all
That 70's show used the 70's as a setting, whereas 80's show used it as a gimmick.
Well said
The show wasn't even supposed tonbe called That 70s Show. It had another name but I think execs kept referring to it as 'that 70s show' that the creators just rolled with it. The time period was never the real focus of the show.
100% this. We watched the first episode and, when it became clear that the whole show was going to scream "THIS IS THE '80S" every five minutes, we never watched again.
@@DamienDrake I never even watched a whole commercial for it. The first few seconds always made me change the channel.
@@adamvialpando106 "Teenage Wasteland," if I remember correctly.
Better call saul is one of the greatest spin offs ever
Cant think of a better one tbh, and it got better as the seasons went on which is super rare
Fraiser is the best spin off show ever
Mayans MC is a pretty solid spin-off
Better call Saul is a good example of how to make a spin off work
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The problem here is that Dennis hadn't even begun to peak at that age.
His bird quit. And quite frankly, it's no longer legit.
@@VictorVonDoom909 it's time for the clothes off, pose off!
It was a good starter show.
@@korndog81 A starter show... This show is a finisher show! The depiction of gods! The Golden God!
Fuck, that is a next level comment right there. Kudos!
That 70s show was as you stated about being a teenager and coming of age. With a nod of appreciation and nostalgia for the era it's set in.
I was a teenager while the show was on air and I liked it because all of the characters were relatable. They seemed alot like myself and my peers. That's why it's a great show.
Freaks and Geeks was the true 80's show. Too bad it was cancelled after one season.
Freaks and Geeks was set in the 70s!
@@franohmsford7548 it wasn’t…
@@joejames1794 It was set in 1980. The 80s didnt become the 80s until around 83-84. I dont think Freaks and Geeks should be labelled as the true 80s show. Its set on the eve of 70s life style and pop culture.
or, Everybody Hates Chris, but, specifically the 80s in Brooklyn
@@Jays_dead_cat Hard disagree on that. Freaks and Geeks is a true 80s show, it's just that the 80s were far more diverse than their stereotyped version. If you can only rely on the basest stereotypes for a whole decade, you get stuff like That 80's show.
That 70s show was also amazingly casted, everyone in the main cast is great. Kurtwood smith (Red) was so good in that role. Imagine the show without him I personally think he had alot to do with its success.
The hard nosed but loving dad. Epic
Also the cast were all friends behind the scenes too. It made the relationships between everyone on screen way better I think.
@@joe.limbus I don’t believe that’s true, I know several of the cast didn’t get along. Topher grace was originally suppose to be a bigger aspect of the show and was bitter as a result that’s why he’s absent from reunions, also Mila Kunis and Ashton didn’t get along however they are married now haha
He played a great dad.
I love that Glen was in one of the worst sitcoms(80’s show) and now he’s in the one of the best and longest running sitcoms(Always Sunny).
I just hope he doesn't jam and jam and jam someone until there's nothing else to jam. We'll see.
Talk about a rebound
Just wait till he peaks
@@korndog81
he hasn't even begun to peak
@LembeckIsStaying I've got no clue of that reference, but it sounds like there was a lot of jammin going on... what kind of jam was it?
That 70s show felt like a secret glimpse into the past. It oozed nostalgia. That 80s show felt like a betrayal of a cherished decade.
Frasier was a series you could watch without even knowing Cheers existed, that's part of the reason it worked so well.
I didn't saw the whole series, but I used to watch some episodes when I catched them on tv. I found it to be really funny, and before this video I had no clue it was a cheers spinoff haha
I didn’t know it was a cheers, I like Fraiser
I didn't even know Frasier was a spinoff to Cheers until in one episode, I heard them refer to Frasier on it!
My brother’s favorite show for years was frasier and he’s never seen Cheers. He didn’t even know about it until I told him.
I've never seen cheers, love Frasier
I liked this show. It's to bad it didn't stay on the air longer.
The reason "That 70's Show" worked so well was because the characters were likable and relatable, and the situations could take place in any decade. Almost EVERY joke in "80's Show" hinges on "It's a reference to an 80's thing! That's why it's SO hilarious, do you get it?!"
Exactly. This is why a lot of retro based shows or movies are hard to watch. For some reason 80s throwbacks overdue the references.
So basically That 80's Show is a period Big Bang Theory?
Not just that but nobody was nostalgic for the 80's yet. If it wasn't a song or movie nobody cared for nostalgic 80's tropes
all about them. LOL
When the fuck was Eric likeable? He was the most fucking annoying protagonist in history. The people who say he was likeable are the people who see the show as nostalgia. I watched it 3 years ago, and hated Eric from the start.
Happy Days was the original flashback retro style sitcom. Like ‘That 70s Show’, it had heart, humour a great characters. It also used the backdrop of the 50s and 60s as aesthetic tools for nostalgia, not to necessarily drive the entire plot.
Such a great show.
The Goldbergs is this show, but done correctly. It wallows in nostalgia but actually took time to write characters not stereotypes
@@josephmagliocca3628 I thought Schooled was modeled after Cameron Diaz’s movie Bad Teacher.
There's a universe where that 80s show kicked off and IASIP never happened.
Its creator modeled its characters on himself and his family, so they do read true to life
Although it isn't something extraordinary, I really enjoy The Goldbergs :) it makes me laugh a lot and the family dynamics are done well!
@@jonnnnniej it's certainly not groundbreaking by any means. But it's a solid, cleverly written show with likeable characters and a pretty sweet soundtrack that is actually entertaining as we. Im ok with them cashing in on my Nostalgia when they do such a solid go of it 👍🏻
If it wasn’t for the failure of this show there might not have been the creative trio of IASIP
They’re definitely wouldn’t have been because the show came out in 2003 and sunny came out in 2005 so if this was a hit, then there would be no development of sunny
If this didn't fail then we may never have gotten Sunny. And that is unthinkable.
@Ty Dye pretty sure that's false
@@domholden5926 It is:
"This pilot was shopped by the actors around various studios, their pitch being simply showing the DVD of the pilot to executives. After viewing the pilot, FX Network ordered the first season."
Wow! Mind blown! You are so right!
@@condohatesme in your defense there are a lot of shows that got big in weird ways. I wanna say they started as a RUclips comedy troupe, the way the dudes from Workaholics made a skits online and pitched a show and Lonely Island (Andy Samburg, Akiva Schaefer, Jorma) pivoted to doing Digital Shorts on SNL.
I could be wrong of course but FX really did used to just play old action movies and have been creative in expanding their market.
My favorite animated show of all time is South Park and as many know that was two goofy buds from film school who animated a 10 minute gag about Jesus fighting Santa by cutting out paper and put it on a VHS tape that found it's way to a comedy central exec.
I studied media in school around the time RUclips launched. I enjoyed making short films but ultimately was too self conscious to have the drive and motivation to stay at it. Even now I have a billion ideas a day that I let fly away. The point is I've done everything a studio does from the writer's room to the technical director's chair where they flip the feeds on live TV but I didn't want to do local news and knew I couldn't afford to move to LA or NYC to create. RUclips came out around that time, but again, I pussy footed around and gave up.
I found out last year that Markiplier went to my high school. He was in marching band playing the same instrument as me a year after I dropped band because my best friend thought it was lame. Not only did I miss out on two years of fun, competitive music, I could have networked and created with the goofiest guy to make millions by making people laugh but, unlike Mark, I didn't drop out of college when I should've.
Fortunately the housing market crashed and I've been perpetually broke ever since.
Hmm. That was a little longer than intended.
Always sunny sucks
That 70's show was a well written and original creation, that 80's show felt awkward and a little creepy. I will always treasure that 70's show.
I'm not the biggest fan of '70s, but I understand.
I hope Glenn makes an apperance on that 90s show as Eric's cousin. That would be a great wink at those who know.
I doubt it
@@davidmckesey7119 Why, Because of the implication?
Ok
@@angeldelgado7120 no, because he needs his tools!
Ironically Brittany Daniel actually played Eric's cousin in an episode.
That 80’s show failed because it was too awesome for people to understand. I loved this show.
The motivational tapes, the Dynasty Shots. It was totally RAD!!!
At least it had Dennis, our golden god
and, Carmen, one of the few people The Gang didn't destroy.
So you guys actually watched this back then?
@@boratsagdiyev5679 they're talking about it's always Sunny in Philadelphia. The actor that played Dennis in that show is in the thumbnail of this video
*I AM A GOLDEN GOD*
@@boratsagdiyev5679 i did. It was hyped up by FOX and when it aired it was awful and not funny
The reason why "That 70s Show" resonated so much for me, was I could identify almost each character as my classmates from my highschool. Each episode was also incredibly histerical.
Little known fact, the luggage that's human skin which Dennis has a collection of was made by using the cast.
One day he snapped
In Dennis's defense, the cast of 80s Show was so annoying! I (barely) lived through the 80s and there were people like that. They had NO friends because they were posers.
and, once again, Carmen (Brittany Daniel) survives. The Gang just can't/won't destroy her, besides Mac breaking her nose
I would love for Glenn to be in an episode of that 90s show.
Oh would ya?
didn't know Glenn had another big role before it's always sunny
I wouldn't say it's a big role but he's a side character in the first season of Fargo. He does an amazing job! Billy Bob Thornton is in it also :D
The only other thing I ever knew him from was the small role he played in The Strangers
That 90's show is about to be the most late 2000's thing i've ever seen lol. It didn't give off 90's vibes even in the slightest. The kids look like they're about to pull out their phones to shoot a tiktok.
Seriously, they should have just continued the 70s gangs future into the 80s, that one episode where they showed Eric and everyone in the 80s was actually one of my favorite episodes, I would have loved a whole season of it honesty.
Nah, it should use a new younger cast. That decision wasn't wrong, nor the connection to the Foremans. But the show can't primarily revolve around the 80's backdrop environment. It needs to be a well written show with characters people care about first.
Oh god, that would mean more Randy. Are you insane?!
Eric's actor didn't want to be part of the show anymore which is why he wasn't in the last season at all besides the last episode. And both Kelso and Jackie were moving onto bigger things so it's unlikely they would of wanted to come back either
well were all in luck now, an actual continuation spinoff called that 90s show is coming soon :))
This show came out before That 70s Show ended.
Nobody dressed in clown costumes in the 80s. You're picking a picture from a stage show, or an album cover and assuming that was 24/7 life.
Those people got beat up and made fun of.
The 80s were the Bundy's, Married with Children...
That was the purest picture of the Decade I've seen.
Jim Morrison’s a god ,the golden god!!
I thought Trump was a golden god.
His rage knows no bounds.
@@megalon84 begone vile man! Begone from me!
The Lizard King
It's a nice starter car.
Yes! I loved that 70s show! Glad to hear that they're making a sequel with most of the original cast.
That 90s show? THAT 90s show?? ORIGINAL CAST RETURNING?????? IM SOO PUMPED!!!!
Doubt you will see Hyde
Me too, especially if we get Eric and Donna cameos, and most of the gang, other than Hyde, naturally!
@@trinaq they should literally say Hyde joined a cult and committed a sex crime.
@@justinwalters9811 yeah wouldn't be that surprising
I wish the actor for Hyde wasn't a scumbag, sucks knowing we won't ever even get a reference to his character because of the actor's actions.
I was born in 2006 and watched that 70s show a lot, like, the whole show at least double digits, I can tell you nostalgia for the 70s did nothing for me, obviously. It was the characters, the situations and how they reacted, the 70s setting was never gimmicky and seemed decently realistic, not like it was just set in that time but the characters actually LIVED in the 70s, in the 80s show the characters seemed like stereotypes and cliches broken down
Well you have to admit at that point he wasn't a golden god. He was tethered, and his rage had some bounds.
WOW I had totally convinced myself that show was a fever dream of something. and I absolutely do NOT remember Glenn being in the show
I loved That 70's Show and watched it all the time when I was younger and I didn't even know That 80's Show existed. 😮😂 I think that says a lot about how well the show did.
I just found out of it when i started recently rewatching 70s show 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nothing on Earth will be better than the original show... 🧡 THAT 70's SHOW 💛
I don't know if this will make sense, but that 70's show gave me a feeling like I was actually back in the time period, even though it was a bit before my time. That 80's show didn't give me that feeling, and actually felt fake. And I grew up in the 80's.
Makes sense, because I felt the same way. When watching That 70s Show with my mom, she would comment and say “lord, this is like watching my own high school years with the references”, but when we all watched That 80s Show …. ehhhh. The references were there, but it’s delivery didn’t hit. The chemistry among the cast was bare, and it felt like I was watching a show set in the early 2000s with a bunch of people who were stuck in the 80s. It didn’t _feel_ like they were actually in that time period and it became obvious the show was only done in hopes of making some bank off of That 70s Show audience.
Plus, That 70s Show worked SO well because at the time it aired, the fashion styles from the 70s was starting to make a comeback in the late 90s. It even helped spur some of my own fashion choices during that time (like copying an outfit Jackie had and wearing my hair like Donna’s to my first day of 8th grade lol). When That 80’s Show aired, there was no revival for the 80s fashion at the time. Skinny jeans, acid wash denim, and teased hair was far from a comeback, and the spin-off just didn’t feel authentic with the style choices. Looked a lot more like costumes at times than anything - unnatural.
That 80's Show should have been about teenagers coming of age, just like That 70's Show. It would have been just as successful.
80s nostalgia seems to work best when its bright-eyed, not cynical
You’re right, though I think the new IT movies are a notable exception to this rule. But that’s also set in the horror genre so it makes sense.
Yeah, cynicism wasn't really typical of the 80s mindset. That came much later.
Yupp, like I said earlier, perfect for sitcoms like Family Ties and such. The 70's is perfect for this show... a group off burnout teenagers, a hippie burnout right after the 60's ended. A cynical war veteran still "young" enough to play an actual working man. Yet, all his cynicisme comes out as hilarious. Also, the economic hardships with Red losing his job and such... the love/hate for discomusic, feminism in it's full bloom and lets not forget the epic circle moment that would never work in an 80's show. Perfect era for such a show.
Nostalgia is a positive feeling. Adding cynicism to the mix is a great way to shoot yourself in the foot.
@@DamienDrake Nostalgia isn't a feeling perse. Bittersweet would be a better way to describe it. Looking back to both the positive and the negative things in life.
You know, i know it's been a few years since it started, and maybe has a different target audience, but The Goldbergs could stand as a real "That 80s Show"
The Goldbergs suck ass
@@BertMustin_ What you don't like it?
One of the reason "That '80s Show" didn't work, was because it was tremendously premature. A show like that, if retooled properly, would work today. The last 10 years have seen renew interest in nostalgia, especially the '80s. Shows like "Stranger Things" among several others, have used the '80s as a backdrop and have walked away with wildly successful shows. The '80s rocked hard and people seem to have more love for the '80s than the '70s, in my opinion. This could have just been a question of timing.
Yeah, The Goldbergs has done a better job with the 80s for their comedy backdrop, though they left the main character in high school far too long. He started in his young teens, but now he's in his 20s.
That 80s show was ahead of its time lol
Have you ever heard of the "30 year rule"? The idea being that a culture will become enamored with the romanticised aesthetics of the culture from about 30 years prior, give or take a few years. Happy Days is a solid example, a late 70s sitcom about teens in the early 50s. Same with, as you said, Stranger Things, a 2010s show about 80s kids. This is probably a huge reason why That 70s Show worked; while yes it started in the late 90s it really hit its golden age in the early 00s. It was just enough time between then and the target era to be in that sweet spot. Meanwhile That 80s Show was depicting an era that was just starting to make a name for itself, as far as defined aesthetics go.
All very good points in this thread. And yes, the Goldbergs, while not an amazing show, is quite respectable and does do the decade more justice than the 80s show
@@swishfish8858 I've never heard of this, but it is an interesting concept. It certainly has merit based on previous examples.
So a fun story, I was in a band a couple of decades ago and one of our songs got picked up by this studio to be on their soundtrack for this show. They were even entertaining the idea of using it for the intro theme.. wow, what could have been huh? LOL
I watched that 70’s show growing up, and I remember when the trailers for that 80’s show came out, and thinking: there’s no way this show is going to last.
I suffer from chronic pain and sometimes the only thing that makes me smile is this show. You can say whatever you want about it but there are times I honestly believe it saved my life.
The 80s show?
@@frutfly Wouldnt the 80s show actually give you more chronic pain?
@@frutflyRight? Does he mean "That 70s Show"?
wow i remember the 80's show, but COMPLETELY FORGOT it had dennis in it...
That happens alot kinda like you don't notice the person until they become famous for something els.
@@violetdusk1968 That's like I don't remember Chyler Leigh or Brittany Daniel being in this show, instead remember them from other movies better, Not Another Teen Movie and Joe Dirt respectively.
I remember when that aired. I was around 13 years old. I watched a few episodes but I couldn't really get into it. Nostalgic sitcoms can be a great thing. "Happy Days" is a perfect example of that. But I felt like it hadn't been long enough, for people to miss the 80s as much as people missed the 70s. I couldn't really miss either decade because I wasn't born until 1988.
I remember liking That 80s Show when it first came out and was sad when it got canceled. Yeah a lot of it didn't work but the parts that did had me hooked. I'm really interested to see what netflix does with That 90s Show.
I told my 13 year old daughter who LOVES that 70s show, that the creators should have made that 80s show as a continuation with the actors that wanted to stay on that 70s and the actors that wanted to leave could freely leave, instead of having 100% new characters that looked like they were made to be hated…
You need to do a comparison of That 70s Show first 13 episodes vs that 80s show 13 episodes. Trying to compare the 2 when characters have been developed, storylines. The clips you’re showing for that 70s show are well beyond the 13 episodes.
I've always thought that both Tuesday and Corey were very likeable and well written characters, like they're not "dumb because the situation demands it" but are actually relatable and consistent. The other characters are extremely forgettable though.
The only thing I remember about that 80's show is every time someone talks about that 70's show I gotta go "Hey do you guys remember That 80's show !?" And everyone giggles... That's it.
Another issue is that it looks like a parody of 80's tv shows & movies, not the actual 80's. The characters and sets may have fit right in something like Sixteen Candles or Alf, but they don't look anything like realistic representations of the 80's that most people would have typically seen in real life.
My introduction to Chyler Leigh 😍 even with the goofy hair she was a stunner.
I thought 'Hey! Isn't that Jeaney?'
@@Nandru85 i thought of her as alex from supergirl
@@Nutachi19 It was a pleasant surprise seeing her there!
@@Nandru85 yeah
I remember the promotion for That 80's Show but I was under the impression that it was just a one time special. I had no idea they made 13 episodes, lol.
I can’t stand a show whose gimmick is “it’s this time and things are changing”. I remember the weak jokes and that one that was in real bad taste.
“I’m talking on my cellular phone! Not a car phone A CELLULAR PHONE!”
“Boy these girls here in the 80’s are markedly different from a previous time.”
“Can anything get better than a NINTENDO?!”
“Can you believe that DIET COKE exists?!”
“I don’t know why but Mr. Brady is getting thinner and thinner.”
Awful...
I always watched that show with a creepy dissonance lurking in my head. I couldn't put words to it at the time, but I must've been wondering why these people who seemingly hate and abuse each other keep interacting. The laugh track didn't help
Thats what all shows and most movies for that matter from the 2000s - present have the same cynical abusive attitudes, and I also saw people in real life at junior high acting the same
That 70s Show seemed to take pride in the decade, with the show even bringing in some special guest stars from the 70s.
That 80s Show just seemed to want to make fun of the 80s
It got better as the season progressed and developed. They had guest stars like Pat Benatar and a member from Duran Duran for example. That '70s Show took a little time to develop too, all sitcoms do. That '80s Show just wasn't given the chance to do so and it's sad because within the last few episodes I was really getting into it
@@isaiahmarker407 Pat Benatar and Duran Duran were popular in the 80's, not the 70's!
I really enjoyed this show. I sometimes go back and re-watch it since it's such a short run. Like, it's nothing special. But I really liked it even with everything wrong with it.
I made up my mind a long time ago if I ever met glenn howerton Id pretend that I only recognized him from that 80s show stictly because I assume litteraly everyone that sees him makes an its always sunny reference
I was binging that 70's show one day and started noticing a lot of similarities between that 70's show and its always sunny in philidelphia. For instance, showing the day, time and location before each episode. Like, "Eric's basement, Tuesday, 4pm". They do the exact same thing before each Sunny episode. The text even looks exactly the same. Then I started noticing a lot of other similarities like the brother sister hate dynamic between Eric/Lori and Dennis/Dee and even how Fez always calls ppl a bitch. Its almost exactly how Dennis does it to Dee. There are many other similarities and then I realized Glenn Howerton was on that 80's show and it all made sense. They either have some of the same writers working on its always sunny or they are borrowing a lot of the same elements. But im not complaining cuz they are two of the funniest shows ever created.
I remember when this show came out. I was like, "huh, that show sounds ok." I watched the first episode up to the first commercial break, and never looked at it again. A couple years later i wondered if that show was still on tv. Guess now i know.
I forgot that this show even existed. I do remember thinking "Oh God, this is gonna suck" when it was announced to be all new cast.
They were about a decade early, the nostalgia for the 80s hadn't hit it's stride yet.
*Although it HAD already started!
Funny thing, after all these years, I still remember a scene in the first episode, where Glenn Howerton's character just rips into Chyler Leigh's character, going on about how he was truly punk back in its heyday, and that she was just a play-acting kid, crying for attention-- and then basically does a mic-drop. It was raw, moment, with genuine narrative tension, the only part of the episode that felt like it came from a real place; and even though the characters were still unlike-able afterward, it was memorable, at least to me.
Also, the characters who worked at the record-store, they were perfect examples of what people hated about their local record-stores, and why most went out of business. I don't think you can build a sitcom with characters the audience finds obnoxious and insufferable. The show was probably doomed from the start.
Anyway, that's all I got; all the best, everybody.
Its like saved by the bell but worse. Absolutely love to see Glenn in something else though great casting
So the new class?
Used to tell people about this show and they thought I'd be gaslighting them. No one ever believed it was real.
just watched the whole show and I loved it especially starts getting good around the 4th episode
Yeah I remember this show, I was only three months old but just like with 9/11, I was crying like a baby when I saw it.
Woooo! Friday Nerdstalgic to kick off the weekend!
The fact Sofia’s bisexuality was all she was reduced to is a very, VERY common problem among people attempting to be inclusive in their media. People are more than their gender identities or sexualities, and it’s REALLY annoying to see other queer folks boiled down to that one aspect about themselves.
I mean, I’m queer, and if my sole characterization was my sexuality, I’d be so upset. It’s such a small part of who I am, and while for others it may be a bigger role in their’s, it’s plain disrespectful to ignore the rest of a person’s, well, PERSON.
to be fair, many people are like that in real life. So can't blame them.
@@kva5751 It may look that way, at first, till you get to know that individual. My best friend, my bro from another hoe, seems like his whole personality revolves around his gayness, but it really, really doesn’t. He just found his niche. It almost seems comparable to me to say someone whose whole personality is their sexuality and an avid hunter who wears nothing but plaid or camo have in common that people outside their community boil those people down to that one aspect of who they are.
I mean, it was 2002 and it was Fox.
I watched this a couple years back on hulu it was okay to me it was cheesy at first but then I saw. a little potential once the chacters where set in plac des
Agreed, the actors are all funny in other projects, but not in this show, where the writing let them down.
This. I caught it on Hulu too. First few episodes didn't even seem to know what it wanted to do outside of "hey, it's the 80s!" The characters and subplots got fleshed out after it was too late in the season to win the audience back.
*"A different world" succeeded spinoff of The Cosby Show*
I remember being excited when I first saw a promotion for this show in the early 2000s then being extremely disappointed when it had nothing to do with the original cast.
I remember the show just coming and going as if nothing and fading into obscurity.
I remember trying to watch "That 80s Show" when it started. Now that I'm seeing these clips, it's giving me a Disney channel/ Nickelodeon show with the over-acting.
I'm geared up for that 2000's show imagine the humorous aspects of 911
"That 2000's Show" could have a scene where the characters are watching That 70's Show.
@@willverschneider1102 the fact that the debut of That 70s Show is now farther in the past than the show’s setting was at the time really messes with me
Like how the turtle club scene from master of disgusie was filmed during it? Heck it was humorous for me and my cousins except we had no idea what was going on since we were little
I LOVED FRASIER. Such an amazing sitcom and I didn't even know it was a "spin off" from cheers until I finished the series
I was very invested in that 80s show, hoping they would start fresh after a like warm final season of 70. Watched this when it happened, thought it was okish. Now, oh boy I'll have to watch it again.
Didn't work for Glenn then he went on to help write and star in his own sitcom with his buddies, having the time of his life, to become the longest running sitcom in television history. just makes me so happy
"That 70's show" had writters that grew up in the 70's so with that knowledge they didn't have to rely on stereotypes,even though most of the same writters came back for "That 80"s show" they were already adults during the 80's and so they ended up relying on stereotypes way to much and the boring "this was an 80's thing remember"? One liner jokes and just fell flat.
Everyone from the cast to the crew to the audience could feel the implication in the room…
I had *no* idea Glenn Howerton was in this dumpster fire of a show and now my mind is blown
Have some monkey beer and you'll be ok...😉
Honestly watching the 70s show cast go through the 80s sounds hilarious to me, I'd be down
That 80s Show was not a direct spin-off. Despite having similar names, it was really just to capitalize off of That 70s Show’s popularity. None of the characters were the same.
It’s explained not even 3 minutes in….
Sophia was supposed to be Eric's cousin, but it was never stated on screen.
As someone who was too young for Cheers when it was around, and someone who never watched Frasier, but also someone who has heard of both shows 1000's of times over my lifetime... I was absolutely blown away just now to learn that Frasier is a character from cheers. I have never, ever, in my 31 years on this planet, learned that information until right now somehow... ... ... How? ... Like... This is another one of those things that makes me feel like I slipped into a slightly different timeline
I do think a “that 90s show” can totally work really well. See cuz there’s this general boredom in the 70s that makes these characters relatable even to this day. I’d say there is a very similar vibe in the 90s. The 80s is too exciting and iconic it’s hard to relate to for people who didn’t live through it.
You are probably around 45 and grew up in the 80s. For me, who grew up in the 90s, the 80s are a boring time in which nothing happend, while the 90s are a vibrant and interesting decade. There's nothing iconic about the 80s, but the 90s are full of iconic images.
I was not alive at all in the 80s and this is just my opinion. It just seems to me generally speaking the 70s and 90s share a similar vibe in a general sense. And that is one of the reasons why “That 70s Show” resonated so well with a 90s audience. Just a very basic observation that’s all.
Mallagalla Bumbum wasnt born in either and hes right, 90s were an amazing decade but boring compred to the bombastic 80s imo.
@@mallagallabumbum8209 didn't grow up in the 80s or 90s... but no. 80s was the decade of decadence for a reason lol. That decade was vibrant, full of consumerism, etc. Its far too much. It was all about who and what. Whereas the 90s settled for more laid back after all of that. The clothing even mirrored that reality, in both decades
None of this matters if the writing is funny and the characters are actual characters
They made a Girls Gone Wild reference in That 80s show, when that particular term and franchisee did not exist until 1997. The character could not have known about it, unless we're led to believe he later invented it, and he did not.
I think I remember an interview with one of the creators saying that the spinoff angle was the network's idea: the original pitch did not include any link to the previous show. It's a shame, really. The show wasn't particularly good but I don't remember it being particularly awful either: it was just another show that needed time to find its footing. I'm not saying it wouldn't have been canceled if it had another title but being compared to another show that was particularly strong right off the bat, like That 70s' Show was, could not have helped.
They had this on Hulu. I just remember how poor quality it looked
I think the fact that this show came before the big 80's nostalgia contributed to it's failure as well. In the late 90's, early 00's, the 80's were kind of dispised, so the whole vibe seams kind of mean, instead of loving and nostalgic. You could also see this when Friends did flashback episodes, they felt VERY different from Stranger Things
They weren't despised by me. Class of 02.
@@NoelComiX well, they were by me hahhahaha
I feel like the Wedding Singer and Donnie Darko were a couple of the first movies to tap into 80s nostalgia. I don’t remember it being despised, but 80s style was made fun of to seem old and outdated.
@@MrVisde You're right, despised may be a strong word... I personally couldn't stand 80's music, but later came to appreciate it. Anyway, it took a few years for it to become a nostalgia phenomenom
@@nataliacarrera5755 i legit wore a white sport jacket and t shirt at my graduation party in 02. Loved Miami Vice. My friends dad was a dj and he made me 80s mix tapes from his library. 📼
My biggest problem was not seeing the circle. One of their best things that 70's show did was that and not seeing it was a missed opportunity
Except that's 70's Show wasn't cancelled? The series literally ended with all the original cast reunited for the New Year's countdown taking place on Dec. 31st, 1979, literally ending on the last second of the 70s. If that isn't a show that ran its full course I don't know what is.
it wasn't cancelled, that was the finale. lol!!!
Whether it was cancelled or not is a question of what the big bosses decided. It is technically even possible they cancelled it so it would end at a certain point, in this case the date you mention. And it's possible to make a show end at a certain point - be it a certain date or after a certain event - by planning the course of the show in such a way after finding out it was cancelled and that for example the following season would be the last.
@@MrJC1 yes but Nerdstalgic said it was cancelled.
@@thenerdbeast7375 Nerdstalgic is WRONG! :D. hahaha.
The show ran 8 years. The opening credits license plate expiration sticker started at 1976 & changed every few seasons. The timeline was under their control. It's wasn't 1 season, 1 year. But people had left, stories had been played out & it was time to end it before it became Saved By The Bell with weird adult Screech & Mr Belding just cashing paychecks.
My favourite spinoff was Lou Grant where Grant was a father figure in a 1/2 hour comedy and made him a father figure in a one hour drama.
After you showed that article about how they created the show, I can add to the reasons.
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Seems like these people wrote a show about their lives in the 80s, and nobody gave a shit. Go figure. I was a teenager in the 80s, not at all bitter, with thoughts of playing football and chasing girls...noty bitterness about a shitty job and some desire to go to Hollywood. That 80s show was set in "my decade" but it wasn't relevant to ME and MY 80s...at all.
That 70s show, and Happy Days were successful because both focused on just being teenagers in their assigned decades. EVERYONE remembers being a teenager. Being a teenager is an experience we can ALL relate to. That 80s show failed because it embraced a life experience that too few people cared about.
I agree,I wanted to write a simulair comment yet you said it all. I thought it was fun seeing it set up in a record store and thought nice it will be a lot about 80s music to but not even that. My 80s was also mostly about sport, chasing girls and music. I cant even remember how many walk mans ive burned though.
It's worth noting what drove the premise of "That 70s Show" in the first place: a vague timeline update of "Happy Days", a show about the 1950s produced in the 1970s. Thus you had a show about the 1970s produced in the 1990s. What drove this successful dynamic? The element of wistful nostalgia, specifically for youth; this means childhood, or at least its furthest limits in high school. As noted, the show creators drew on elements of their own memories of the era when creating "That 70s Show", but when looking at the 1980s, bitterly remembered an unpleasant time of disappointment and relative hardship (an aesthetic much more in line with "It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia"). The trouble is that properly replicating the formula into the 1980s would mean a re-imagining of the world of "Full House", John Hughes' movies, "The Cosby Show", "Who's The Boss?", and the "Back To The Future" films. Arguably, this would have been next to impossible for a team of writers who did not have happy memories of the 1980s; it risks being a pastiche, like "Easy A" or "Wandavision".
Thought I was the only one who remembers this (very short-lived) show!
Me too, though I came across a few RUclips videos about it recently, so it's not completely forgotten!
nope. haha.
I remembered it for Chyler Leigh and guest appearances by some 80s musicians like Pat Benatar and Tiffany.
I also found it weird that That 80s Show debuted while That 70s Show was on the air
I was so excited for this show, because I grew up on That 70s Show. What a letdown.
I remember actually keeping up with " that 80s show" as a kid. I liked it. Not as much, but I liked it.
I keep reading references to a 90’s Show. The only 90’s Show I recognize are Friends and Living Single.
The 80’s Show failed because it wasn’t funny and the characters aren’t relatable characters so it doesn’t bring up an nostalgia. Try watching Pretty in Pink for 80’s nostalgia we all know a Ducky.
They are coming out with a that 90s show
It was too soon. That 70’s show was centered 20 years after Happy Days was, and which was also a huge success. But the measure a shows success is the number of seasons it runs. So a successful period show like this is going to run right into the next decade, so there has to be some time lapse between them.