@@cecemorrow3606 what about "Dinner with the Tribianni's" it's Joey and Monica as husband and wife. The entire show revolves around feeding Matt Le blanc in a fat suit and Chandler Bing is the dog. That's what he gets for hating dogs and has to watch Joey bang his wife for the remainder of his dog days. Why is he a dog I dunno he pissed off Phoebe or destroyed Gladys or Glynnis cursing him, this occult perspective delves into Phoebe's new age religion she always seemed like a written off charmed character. Totally grounded series I swear.
Yes this one would be so much better... First there's more original characters hence the chemistry and then ofocurse the premise itself has a lot more potential....chandler as a suburban dad would be hilarious
To wit, when Cheers was ending, the producers considered doing a spinoff of Norm or Cliff. They soon realized this would be a bad idea as the one liners they gave was great once or twice a show (even about to carry a few episodes over 11 years) but, every week, no. So they went to the guy who instead of one liners was the reactor of the show. And thus Fraser was born.
@@markjackson6431 Frasier worked because it ticked two boxes: it allows people to laugh at snooty people getting into funny situations (a bit like a lot of British humour), and it gave smart comedy for people who consider themselves cultured. It succeeded because different people could laugh at the show for different reasons without alienating any class of people.
In Friends everyone's arc was completed except that of Joey's. Monica : She wanted baby, a chef career, a relationship. And she got it all at the end. Chandler: Hated his job, wanted a partner. He got a job he loved and married a woman he loved. Ross: He wanted to be married. He had a huge unresolved crush on Rachel. He got it all at the end. Rachel: She wanted to be independent and not be the spoiled daddy's little girl. She was a successful executive and a responsible mother at the end. Phoebe: She just wanted a family of her own. And she got it at the end. But Joey neither had a stable relationship nor a successful acting career at the end. So the spinoff attempted to address it. But the big problem was they literally forgot FRIENDS. I mean Joey was getting married and there is no mention of his friends ? IMO, they could have ended in Season 2 with his marriage and they should have announced all his friends are coming to the wedding. The viewership would have skyrocketed and it would be a good ending.
If only they had given him his big break in a sitcom basically about himself called... "Joey" They could have shown a preview and then turned it into the real show. Joey would always have his happy ending and the show could have been better received by an audience who understood that it isn't the Friends world. And then done anything they wanted with the same lovable character
they didn't get the concept that joey wasn't "joey" without chandler, Monica, ross, Pheobe, and Rachel... also what happened to the plan where joey was supposed to live in the garage with Monica and Chandler?
@libby young To simply put it, the writers *never* got it that the magic ensemble of Aniston, Schwimmer, Perry, Cox, Kudrow and of course LeBlanc is what made Friends able to exist for 10 seasons and becoming so popular the way it did. Even though Friends was averaging in the number of "accolades" in comparison to other sitcoms, like Everybody Loves Raymond and the Larry Summers Show, the ratings were still far larger than many others in part of the popularity and "talent" of the cast members. The writers thought that Friends would be able to exist without the six actors complete. And it's not the first time. Back when the actors went for a pay-raise going to $250.000 per episode, both NBC, WB and many of the producers/writers sought to exclude some of the actors and replacing them. Didn't work. They were all very professional, didn't budge and continued their work. Last but not least, both Matt LeBlanc and Kevin Bright wanted to give Joey a fair chance at becoming a complete character. However, the plug was pulled once Joey's character kept going in the wrong direction.
@@gabopr1365 well if he did then that is great but that isn’t enough for a character like Joey. There is a difference between mentioning your friends in conversations and actually conversing with your friends. One is more enjoyable to watch and the other you are watching one person reminiscing over an event or person that isn’t there so it can feel awkward.
I don’t believe Joey as a clingy guy. If he was offered a good tv show that’s filmed in another city. He would definitely move over make friends still optimistic about everything. Getting girl everywhere. Cracking stupid joke and brush off any difficulties in life. Because he doesn’t care and always happy no matter how hard his life is and will be.
exactly ! this was what i thought when i watch 'Joey'. it doesn't make sense that he didn't even miss them when they always be together esp during holidays 🙄. but i love joeyy forever ❤️🤪
You can tell Matt Leblanc was the only one who wanted to keep working, he's rumoured to be the only one who wanted another season of friends, and he's done multiple other series. I remember watching a series he did called "episodes" and the only guest star from the gang he got was one scene with David Schwimmer.
Episodes was a better "Joey Friend's spinoff" than Joey. At least in that universe, Friends the show had happened to Matt character. It was a great show.
when they eventually make an official friends reunion, they should reference 'Joey' as a TV show Joey did, and make it meta. As if this was a TV show on a TV show. Joeyception.
Honestly, a spin off with Chandler and Monica I could see. It’s two of the Friends cast and they’re interestingly different and they actually had a story line to go off of.
@@HotStrange Yeah, but unless they planned to completely change characters like they ended up doing with Joey, what the hell were they going to do with Rachel? Watch her be extremely busy at work and taking care of a baby where people don't even speak English? Great show...
@@user-vi4xy1jw7e That's actually easy: he didn't move with her, he stayed in NY. Even if their relationship didn't end, they could easily have him be in her life without ever actually appearing.
that's really interesting. It could've been a great challenge to try and give each one of them a memorable personality and really show Joey's sweet side.
@@htasul Then it should have been done in Friends, cause there were over 200 episodes to do. The writers had the chance in the later seasons, but deciding to throw him under the bus instead for the sake of Ross and Rachel's on- and off-relationship and just wanting it to drag on, even though it had become irrelevant to the point of her pregnancy.
@@dvchel I think you missed the point of Rachel's pregnancy. Ross and Rachel were done with each other, but it was a random event that spelled it out loud and clear that they should be together and yet it still wasn't enough for them to start a relationship again. As for Joey's sisters - it's a comedy show at the end of the day, if the writers don't write it, they would just go with something equally funny in its place
Agree. Showing Monica, Rachel, Ross back in High School (where Ross develops his crush), with appearances of Phoebe (stealing Ross' bike) and perhaps accidentally even Joey as well, would have been awesome. Perhaps including College too. Concerning this is where Rachel and Monica had lost touch with each other (in a prelude to the Pilot) and we get to meet Chandler etc. It would further help creating a more organic, interesting and meaningful backstory to Ross & Rachel's arc. With the "prom video" as said example, or Ross seeing Rachel in a bikini for the first time etc.
@@victorsamsung2921 exactly, the big bang theory was so great at doing this, they created a spinoff in the younger version of their main character. Because of the show we figured out some of the biggest reasons sheldon the main character acted and treated and did things to other people. For example the whole engineering thing with howard, or why he ddint wanna go to caltech in the first place. But this show is diffrent from that, they need all of the members to really work. They also took the whole charatcter off of joey as well.
The thing is the bings is more or less 1/3 of friends with a large likelihood of another 1/3 of friends guest starring (due the fact of Monicas brother and best friend being an thing with a child by the end of friends you couldn’t just hand wave the fact she never sees her brother and his partner who she lived with most of her young adult life along with her nephew in Ben and her niece in Emma) you basically are making a version of friends while cutting out the two more zany members of the group), I’d bet money in a few years they end up making a stupid spin off based on the twin bings and Ross’s two kids and it will suck since enough real time will have past to make it credible that they’ve become adults
@TheSherBru Valid point. However, another "great" reason why it was known Joey the spin-off was going to fail beforehand was due to the flanderization of his character at the end of Friends. His was the worst out of all. He began in season 1 as a street-smart guy. Towards the end in season 10 he was in serious need of a supervisor. Compare this to the great development you saw in season 8 when Joey finally came to understand women on a different level, it was disappointing to see the writers then made the decision to dumb him down again to a person unable to speak French. These poor decisions left Joey with not much to stand on his own. His character definitely should have been written more complete by the show's end. Then again, often money and greed rules in terms of deciding that Friends wasn't enough by Warner Brothers and NBC.
@@TheSherBru Yes, but HIMYM does have a not so favorable ending in comparison to Friends. They did got the _"will they or won't they"_ paradigm between Ted and Robin better than Ross and Rachel in Friends. Not to forget the drama coming off right, whereas in Friends it was coming off cheesy very often. After Rachel had given birth to her child with Ross by her side, millions upon millions had the desire and wanting to see these two starting to build on their relationship again. However, the creators made the decision to throw Joey in the equation because they liked playing with fire, even though it made no sense at that moment in time of Friends - what else, you get burned! The reason why, in addition to the ending of HIMYM, it continues to amaze me how writers, producers and creators can be so out of touch with the public and what it wants. Their incompetence just left too much open for the imagination.
Friends is such a good show because of the chemistry of the 6. They are all entirely different from each other but they have one huge thing in common: They all care about each other.
@JOHN GR The 6x actors of Jennifer, David, Matthew, Matt, Courteney and Lisa did ... and that's made Friends so much 200% extra special. You know, this love and care for one another e.g. this genuine, meaningful relationship.
Yep. The laughed they cried they argued fought lied and backstabbed each other from time to time but in the end they did love and care about each other
actually his last words were "thank you" but he says it so soft you can't hear them, but you can see it in the subtitles on (sorry if my english is bad :(
I am reading all the comments about how other characters' spin-offs would have been better, but I totally disagree. The whole point of Friends is watching them together, as a group. This joey show was just the proof the even considering a spin-off without all of the six characters was a mistake. They work well together, not separated.
You are right ofcourse but one can argue wether or not they would be worse or better choices than Joey. The other Friends should have at least consisted of 2 main characters of Friends (if you count Mike as well), which would have already helped a bit. But even if they were not in relationships ofcourse a series about just Ross, Monica, Rachel, Chandler or Phoebe wouldn't work either. Perhaps Phoebe would be the best option, followed by Joey. I do think the Joey series was possible but not like the "2 and a half man" kind of series it wanted to be (at least I get those vibes).
Joey needs Chandler or Ross there to tell him he's being an idiot. Just like Han Solo needs Luke Skywalker to tell him to care about someone else. On their own the characters don't work.
@@oliverford5367 honestly that touches on another big problem with the Joey show. suddenly Joey was the one telling everyone else they were an idiot because the only person on the show smarter than him was his nephew who was a genius with no social skills so he fucked up in other ways.
The problem was that none of Friends characters have their own charisma and lives, they don't work by themselves, they need the others to exist. Have you been in a group of friends that works super awesome but the individual lives of each one of the persons is really boring, lame, dull, or just not funny? Have you been in a group of like 6 or 7 friends where you only have fun when you ALL hang out together, but if it was only you and another dude or dudette from the group it's just not the same (even if it's the funny one)? Welcome to the answer on why Joey didn't work, and a similar premise will never work.
No, Ivan. When I am just with one or two people, we have a great time, and a lot of teasing and jokes are enjoyed by all. I guess this is something that you relate to?
The thing I remember not liking about the Joey show, was that they reset his character development. All the growth as a person he made in Friends was just gone.
Joey's character never evolved from the womanizer/dumb/optimistic guy. That problem was already in Friends and carried over to Joey, that's why he couldn't be a lead. There was nothing going for him. This video failed to touch on that issue. All the other characters had grown up by the end of the series, Joey stayed the same. It was even a recurring joke in the series, even by the end of it Joey can't deal with Chandler and Monica moving to a new house and Chandler says they got a spare room for Joey, and he gets all happy kiddy like. The show touched early on (and again a few seasons later with that girl Mon and Rach wanted Joey to date because they liked her) how he wanted to have a deeper relationship and find love, the girls left him and he went back to square one. The writers never explored that issue. Joey stayed the womanizer from the start of the series to the end of it, even though he could evolve from that. Chandler got over his fears of serious relationships, made peace with his father. Monica got the family she always wanted and Richard didn't want to give her. Rachel became successful with her own career. Ross resolved his issues with Rachel and got back with her, which was what he always wanted. Phoebe also had the same kind of problem as Joey, she loved David but he left. She found love with Mike and settled down with him. They all started a new chapter in their lives, and Joey was put to the side.
I think that would be depressive as hell, Phoebe didn't have a fun childhood, her father leaving, her mother killing herself, she's a weirdo because her circumstances made her that way. Mugging Ross is funny now because we now that adult Phoebe is ok, but at the time she was trying to survive. As an adult her character shows that you can make peace with the demons of your childhood.
It failed because Joey is a supporting character or ensemble character, he’s not deep enough to be a lead role. I always said I wish the spin off was Chandler and Monica. They actually had a new chapter to explore and they could play off each other- developed characters that we already know.
@@danieltarczynski6559 yeah I think fraiser shows that this CAN work, but you just have to construct an actual interesting sitcom. I watched fraiser loads never having watching cheers but it never felt like I was missing anything. Because it wasn't about just attracting people with a flashy character you liked from this other show- it was about writing a good sit com
@@abijo5052 yeah exactly! Frasier is an ensemble that has a great cast. Just like Joey should have been. Also cameos from his old friends would have shown he was still in touch. I never watched Cheers much either but it was about a pub. Friends were family the distancing thing made it dumb. I mean he was so close to them yet he never goes to visit Mondler or or anything?
In season 4-5 of Friends (London and the following few episodes) they show the viewers not only how much Joey cares about his friends, but how much he loves his life in its current state and how he hates changes. This not only makes the Joey show improbable but also impossible, as he nearly broke down when he lived in the big apartment and when Chandler moved out. There is no possible way for that same character to abandon his friends, family, and life to live in L.A. to follow his career which was always second to him behind the people in his life that mattered most.
i have always refused to watch joey’s show,, and whenever i remember it’s existence i tell myself that it’s probably just joey’s dreams and he’s still actually living in new york or with chandler and monica
Well, Chandler does say once that he dreams of having their dream house which it would include a small place for Joey to grow old. Taking into count how codependent Joey is, he most likely did move in with Chandler and Monica in the end.
It was obvious that this spin-off was going to flop when the character you picked for it was your THIRD choice. Not a lot of good options left at that point.
I think a Phoebe show would have been good. She was the only friend that seemed to have other friends outside of the group. She always talked about these bizarre characters in her life when she was younger and homeless. Her sad story plots were convincing. Lisa Kudrow probably would have turned them down too tho.
@@acommonmanwithrandomwords8373 Fr like can u accidentally leak something that's on a drive. You would actually have to take the flash drive plug it into the computer and download it onto the Internet
Depends on who they is. Chances are there was tension during the creative process and someone who disagreed with the direction of the show leaked it. But I doubt any higher ups would risk advertiser money by leaking the show early. That potentially reduces the audience of people that will view the debut episode.
Theoretically, a spinoff about Monica and Chandler's family life would have probably been better (or at least easier to manage from a writer's perspective). After they got together and made their relationship known to the other friends, their individual storylines started to merge and they ended up focusing on their romance and daily life rather than individual "misadventures". Basically, they could have easily carried the weight of a show on their own because they seem more like protagonists and not simply side characters. Joey, however? He was created as a side character (like Phoebe) and was meant to stay that way. That said, I'm glad that they didn't make another spinoff with Monica and Chandler, trying to "resuscitate" a show that is already over is 99% of the time a bad idea.
I believe Joey’s character ended when friends ended and by that I mean I feel like he didn’t really have much going for him that we as an audience would wanna continue seeing in a spin-off. Mondler raising the twins would’ve been interesting to see, or Mike and Phoebe since she wanted her own kids after seeing Mondler’s set of twins, or even Roschel raising Emma since they got back together (for the 100th time). But in the end, I feel like any spin off wouldn’t of been big without the six of them
At the time, I remember thinking the opposite, in that Joey was the only one that didn’t get a “happy ending” like everyone else did, and thus could be explored further. I also rather liked the idea that he was going to be getting more depth in character. But…well…ultimately it felt like Joey regressed in a lot of ways, and his stupidity was amped up a bit too high. And I didn’t care a thing about the other new main characters, whereas the show was wanting to put a ton of focus on them. Bleh.
Masked Moviegoer I feel like schrute farms would’ve been good though because we know the schrute family and Angela and I feel like it would’ve been more familiar than just having a show with one guy (Joey)
I can understand the other actors not wanting to continue to pursue those characters but I feel like the one character that would have made the most sense to pop in or have a continuation on Joey would be phoebe. They always seem to get along the best and I feel like it would make sense that Phoebe would want to explore California. Yes she had kids, but I do not think they were her kids? Even if they were, I think that they could have made it work to where she popped in with her family in California on a vacation.
Interesting. To me it is Ross & Rachel. Their final reunion still felt hollow and forced in many ways, because of the fact that they were forcibly kept apart for 7.5 years. Referring as an example to the season 9 plot of Rachel & Joey. Knowing it just made no sense on the basis of seasons 1-7, where Rachel never showed any interest in his manners, behaviour or personality. It was Ross all the way for the most part. And moments like season 9 are where Ross & Rachel should have slowly and steadily come back together. You know, to make the final reunion feel more organic and meaningful. With the 3x divorces behind you, and seeming to slowly drift apart over the most simplest of issues, just didn't felt right on the basis of watching seasons 1-3 etc.
@@katelynbrown98 Yep. Very vague and very unfortunate. For the situation with Joey was putting Rachel AND Ross in a bad light. Including with regards to parenting.
That was way better, because he kept his personality. He wasn't afraid to mention his past life. He storylines were better with his crazy unpredictable personality.
For real instead of listing specific episodes and/or scenes where Joey isn’t being Joey he repeats himself instead saying Joey isn’t Joey. Well okay but like why I need more specifics details. Expound
@@Sgt-Wolf this video. he barely shows anything from the show that he himself mentiones no one has seen or remembers. he's making all these points with like 0 evidence. its bizarre
I can imagine a Joey spinoff working but not the one they made. It could have been called f.a.m.i.l.y and Joey would have been a supporting character in the story of the lives of his many sisters. It would have been set around New York probably rather than LA and would have focused on the more working class lives and family structure of the tribbianis. It prob would not have worked as well as friends but it might have worked ok in a cheers>Frasier way in that it would be different and solid enough to attract an audience. Once it was established other friends cast could return for guest spots to see Joey
This would actually work! A wise reference title to the original title and a good circle dynamic for a main Friends character to be surrounded with- a sitcom of Joey and his sisters would have been interesting. I like the working class NY setting vision too lol
R U KIDDING?! There could've been a spinoff about Monica and Chandler raising their kids and the actors said no?! They could've had Joey live in their garage and eventually fall for someone and make it as an actor, they could've had Janice as a neighbor and it would've been good with those two in the lead of a family comedy. It could've happen,Mandy it didn't?! Ugh? How could they say no?!! It would've been perfect! I'm gonna go meditate now... Wait, why didn't they consider a spinoff about Phoebe?
things feel incomplete without one person in friends group, all six of them should be there for the show to work, it would be extremely weird with only Joey, Chandler, and Monica.
Keep in mind these actors are multi millionaires after the show ended. They been playing the same characters for 10 years. Why would they keep playing them when they’re finally free from contract and rich out of it? I would of walked away too. Yes the show is wonderful but at the end of the day it’s all about the money.
I once had a dream that Joey wasn’t canceled after season 2 but went on to have several seasons and the fifth season had a story arc that revolves around going fishing. Like a fishing trip.
First of all there shouldn't have been any spin-off. I remember what Matthew Perry said in an interview and I agree with him. He said something like- we are afraid to make another season or spin- off because the level we set was so high and I am afraid that we don't fall down (something like this). Plus if they had to make a spin-off I would have liked a short film which showed all the friends a few years later together drinking coffee at central perk and talking about their day. It should have been revealed that they hung out everyday one time in central perk and were still very very close friends. And Joey would also have ended up with someone. Anyways I like the friends reunion and I am glad they decided to only show the whole cast talking and an interview, watching bloopers, treading scripts etc. And not any crap
When I heard of this spinoff, I thought, "Finally! Joey's going to grow up and be more than the sidekick!" I thought about what would challenge him the most and also fit his character the most, from what we knew of him. While living in New York, he gets a phone call from a girl he'd dated for a few months. She tells him she's had a baby and it's his. He councils with his friends (cameo, like 90210 did for Melrose Place's first episode), takes a DNA test and decides to go to LA to man-up (as foreshadowed) and ask her to marry him. She won't marry someone she barely knows, and she won't leave LA, because her single dad is there. Joey was the one to hate change the most and the least likely to leave his friends (his family), but, as hard as it is, he can't abandon his daughter/son and decides to stay. While in LA, he may as well kill two birds with one stone by also trying to improve his career and becoming successful for his child. This concept opened so many doors for humour, warmth, tension, meaningful romance, blunders and character growth. It was pretty disappointing that the writers threw the character under the bus, for cheap laughs.
Spinoff shows just seem like some of the most unpredictable experiment in television. It’s brought some of the best and some of the boring-est shows out there.
It worked so damn well for Frasier they hoped they could recreate that with Joey. Any spin off can work if done correctly but most of the time it doesn't
@@kemichhhh I guess you didn't get the memo, huh? No? Then let me tell you... "OK, Boomer" by the way, that's the grammatically correct way to write it, is another way of saying "I'm stupid, and I have nothing of depth or substance to contribute to the conversation". So it's clear, "OK, Boomer" is essentially saying: "My mind is quite limited when it comes to debating, so I will simply say "whatever" so it could appear as if I am defending something when I in fact, defending nothing". Got it? So my response to you, which is more accurate, is: "OK, Stupid"
And Star Trek, and the whole Superhero comics universe that was rebooted many, many, times over, its timeline is a convoluted mess. This is why manga wins while American comics stagnate: the Japanese are constantly killing off old series to make space for new ones, that's how you sell millions of copies instead of a few thousands.
Star wars is a franchise that is so deep with worldbuilding you can keep going forever but you have to focus on different aspects of the universe (being a jedi, being a sith, being a clone soldier, being a civilian, being a criminal, etc.) or you're going to run into a lot of rehashing.
What about Frasier? It used the exact same formula as Joey, but it worked. They took a character from an ensemble cast moved him to the West Coast and made significant changes to his personality.
Frasier was even above friends when it came to pure comedy....maybe not the early seasons but definitely it held the comic roles and characters almost all the way... The final seasons as with all sitcoms were a bit dull... But the show was amazing!
@@rigsby1454exactly...the cast the writers...impeccable. this is how a show reaches those heights of popularity...basically it's magic and the producers who put these 'perfect' shows together have crazy talent for knowing what will work.
The story could've been Joey falling in love and moving in with his girlfriend that has a son ( the son can be a teenager or just a grown man living with his mom ) plenty of stories would come out of that, and instead of completely forgetting the rest of " Friends " cast, they could've gave them couple of appearances in which they visit Joey.
Honestly, I think that a spinoff about Joey could've been really good if it was done right. Because Joey wasn't *just* a character for comedic relief and support, even if that's what he served for the original show. He had things that could've been explored and developed on. He had issues with commitment in relationships, his potential in acting, his struggling with growing up. The Joey spinoff could've been great if it touched on the lines of a dramedy if they kept his character intact and just fleshed out his life more instead of tearing it apart. It might've been really entertaining to see how Joey somehow ended up in some weird conflicts that he managed to solve despite his lack of common sense, like his own subplots in some of the Friends episodes. There could've been overarching plotlines about one or two main love interests throughout the show that made him think about settling down as he wrestled with getting older. I would've loved to see him have phone calls with Chandler and Phoebe about the things he was going through and asking for advice. I dunno. I don't think that a Friends spinoff with Joey wasn't wanted. I just don't think it made it something people didn't know they wanted.
Joey came right after the end of Friends, people were not ready to see only him without the rest of the gang, but the show was not so bad as you said actually! I kinda liked it back then and I've just started a rewatch out of curiosity cause I didn't remember much of it... it actually made me laugh more than once already! Joey is not deprissing AT ALL, the fact that he can't make friends in LA is very well explained in the show itself... It's much harder to make new friends when you're grown up and LA is very different from NY, as Joey said "In NY I could approach people in the street, here in LA everybody drives a car, how do you meet people?". I find it also logical that Joey wanted to try something different as all of his NY friends had moved on in life (got married, had kids, had the job of their dreams...) remember Monica and Chandler left the apartment at the end of the show? So why was Joey supposed not to try something different as well? He's an actor after all, it's only logical that he would try to move to LA at a certain point and see if he had any chances there. This doesn't mean that he won't go back to NY at some point or that he's not calling his friends. I think it would've have been just pathetic to have the show with him on the phone with his friends! And the fact that we don't see him calling them it doesn't mean he didn't and that he's not in touch with them anymore. Most of Friends' characters have really changed in the course of the show, while Joey was the only one who didn't evolve, didn't have a decent carrier and didn't find love. This could've been Joey's chance if only people weren't so nostalgic and narrow-minded. What I didn't like about Joey was the fact that they cast Adam Goldberg as a recurrent character when he had already played one in Friends (remember Eddie, Chandler's weird roommate?). Also Joey's look seems to be very different from Friends, why is he wearing all these shirts, trousers and shiney shoes now? Apart from that, I'm enjoying it very much at the moment and I suggest to give it a try if you can find it.
Agree! I was a Joey fan for as long as it existed. Used to download every episode on (I want to say) Limewire? It was when I started my first or second year in college I believe. I thought the show was awesome.
I literally just finished Friends and jumped into 'Joey' because I wasn't ready to let go. After the first episode, I was looking for a video to talk about it but nobody did. Now you did!! Thanks!
Here's the thing...the approach the show creators took with "Joey" wasn't actually weird. In fact there was a hugely successful precedent on the same network, "Frasier". NBC took Kelsey Grammar's character from Cheers (like Friends, a very popular ensemble comedy) and moved him across the country. Because Frasier Crane transitioned from being a supporting character to a lead character, his personality broadened to shoulder the new responsibility. The new Frasier Crane was a little more of a loser. Sometimes even a bit of a buffoon. Grammar is an excellent comic actor who made these new character traits work. And like "Joey", "Frasier" didn't look or feel like its predecessor. Frasier's life back in Boston wasn't heavily referenced either. "Frasier" turned to be a huge success for the network, so it wasn't that crazy to think that "Joey" could be also since it followed a similar formula. In the end "Joey" suffered from the same things most failed shows suffer from...lackluster cast, poor writing and weak chemistry. Going back to the "Frasier" example, if the Niles Crane character had been given to anyone other than David Hyde Pierce, that show might not have lasted that long. Pierce is an superb comic actor who had excellent chemistry with Kelsey Grammar. That pairing helped make the show a success. Unfortunately Matt LeBlanc didn't have someone as skilled to play off of. It made all the difference.
Christiaan Ingram exactly Frazier is supreme. They should have made Joey the Same confident woman chasing guy who was chasing Hollywood movie success instead of New York tv success. He could have had a guy that was a nerd(left at the alter mirroring Rachel’s series opening on friends)that he helps get back on his feet helps get his mojo back as his friend shows next sidekick.
I think the reason why him being more of a loser in his own show is because on Cheers, we only got to see the persona he put forth when out in public. With Frasier, we got to see him being himself in his own home with his family.
Exactly. Any weird changes on the character could have been explained as "that was the real her, a side she wouldn't show her friends". It was pretty obvious that she had in interesting life separated from them.
I really have to watch Joey again, I only saw it as a kid, probably aged 9-10, I’m 24 now, my dads girlfriend at the time was obsessed with Friends and had all the copies which is how I got into Friends, she also had the Joey seasons, and while I don’t remember a whole lot of Joey, I remember liking it when I saw it. Since I’ve watched it I’ve heard so much about how Joey isn’t good, and especially after watching this video, it makes me wanna see it again to see if I was just blinded as a kid, or if I just actually liked the spin-off, all flaws aside.
Honestly, I felt like Joey was really a good show. To me, Joey was just put up to be the new Rachel, in the sense that he left to find a new life to build on his own. It also had some really nice episodes that were just as funny as the ones in Friends.
The whole "I made 30 million. I need to make more mistakes like that!" quote is proof he definitely feels wounded over how bad the show came out. That's him being defensive. He obviously didn't need that money considering how much he STILL makes from "Friends" royalties. He NEVER had to do the spinoff. It was a bad decision altogether and that's why none of the other actors agreed to do one without the original showrunners.
@TechJunkie He didn't need the money indeed, but maybe he was hopeful and convinced on the approach by Kevin Bright and some of the other writers/producers who approached him about the spin-off. If there is anyone to blame it is literally Warner Brothers and the producers/writers themselves for being greedy and lacking the vision to complete Joey's character within the Friends era of 1994-2004. Because, you had over 200 episodes in total, and there were many fun and interesting storylines/developments that were perfectly attributable to him. In season 8 you saw the tip of the ice berg when he finally began to understand women on another level. However, it was a disappointment that it came at the expense of deciding to continue dragging on with Ross and Rachel's relationship, and afterwards dumbing him down again with episodes such as the inability to speak French.
Hm, if I made 30 million out of a failed show I'd say the same, and not because I felt defensive, probably bcuz I'd think it was funny how much I made on a failed show 😂
@@THE202 Yep, not with Matt LeBlanc. But seeing how Young Sheldon is a massive success, because it is a prequel of Sheldon Cooper from TBBT, a younger actor could have perfectly played Joey. Between the ages of 14-20 when he is in High School and starts out as an actor. Watching him make the Pinocchio play in Central Park.
Never even heard of this. Assumed he retired rich after friends. I seem to recall that ross enjoyed a successful second life as voice over for the giraffe in madagascar
It's because we all watched friends first. Actually I watched Joey before friends and I completely loved it. I loved it because I didn't watch friends hence I couldn't compare. The show by itself is actually good.
I had to find “Joey” on ebay several years ago…I loved “Friends” and yes, at first, it seemed bad…by the end, I was so upset that there wasn’t more… Who the hell wasn’t yearning for Joey to become a HUGE MOVIE STAR!!
I used to watch this show when it was on, and I honestly enjoyed it. It didn't last long but i did like the other characters and Joey's love interest by the end. It wasn't boring.
IKR, I watched the show and I loved it. I can't remember but I think they introduced his nephew and he start teaching his nephew thus in turn growing. You cannot play the same character without having it grow. Even thor grew disillusioned with his character and wanted growth for it
@@abbysands9510 yeah exactly people at that time didnt had the brain to see that the show was actually funny and good they just hated it because it had nothing to do with the friend's
They could have made a Joey spin-off and given him an actor Nemesis who he competes with for jobs after a show got cancelled. Eventually they would become friends but they would occasionally still clash.
In fact, there is a character in the first season of Joey which has the kind of character description you have given. They don't become friends, but the character comes for 4-5 episodes.
A few things I remember: - That green screen they use behind the taxi cab to mimic driving is unbearable. - Joey's new sycophant friend that enters in later episodes is also unbearable. - Matt LeBlanc, who was married at the time, had an affair with his co-star. It ended his marriage and he continued with a relationship with that actress. - "Joey" occurred in a dark time for NBC, a time that dropped them from being a leading primetime network. Conan O'Brien, who was still host of Late Night, did a song bit about how NBC was "going down the crapper" and had terrible shows in prime time. The same night he did that bit, Matt LeBlanc was a guest to promote "Joey."
I think another issue is, as with the ending of almost every sitcom, their ushers in a new era of tv. A new era of understanding, and a new era of the sitcom itself. But too many of the spin-offs try to skill live in the world of the decade that their home show lived in. Or they try to convert the spin-off into the modern day without any explanation of why/how the setup of the spinoff came to be.
You mean, a world like in Friends without mobile cellphones and laptops everywhere? Y'know, when people more talked to each other, which Friends was about in Central Perk. Also, some of Joey's shenanigans were just too far-fetched at that point in the 00s. Hence, the spin-off losing out on other more relatable alternatives, such as Two And A Half Men, or TBBT etc.
@@katelynbrown98 Joey the spin-off missed the mark in that one indeed. But also Friends. Considering Joey's character was already going through this process of deconstruction towards the end of the show. Referring to his increased immaturity and inability to do anything decent, interesting or insightful after his crush on Rachel. It's as if Friends almost made it impossible for the spin-off to have been a success.
@@katelynbrown98 interesting, because, I can't understand why Friends was "dumbing" Joey down towards the end of Friends in seasons 9-10. It was very unnecessary, but greed and egos overtook common sense. Concerning Joey was always a part of the Friends group, and thus, we should have seen his legitimate conclusion in the show in the series finale itself.
The problem with "Joey " is it relied on a comic relief character to hold a show on there own, Joey is a great character but a whole show based on him is abit too much the only way it would of worked is if there was guest appearances from the cast in the first 2 seasons to slowly let Joey completely go on his own
I just watched the entirety of "Friends" this past week before it gets taken off of Netflix. I don't care much for sitcoms but I actually liked it and it's one of my favorite shows. This video was really interesting. Kinda glad the show got canceled since it would ruin the original show
@@pvic6959 That everything on streaming services that weren't explicitly made by said streaming service is on a finite contract. Friends is not the property of Netflix, and appears to be the 2nd most expensive show to purchase the rights of (Netflix only has Friends because Seinfeld was deemed too expensive to begin with). The contract ends 2020.
How to do Joey correctly Season 1 Joey is Joey Season 2 Joey starts to display hints of depression from missing his friends in NY. Chandler is unsuccessful in arranging a visit while Phoebe always answers Joey's phone calls Season 3 moderate depression here and there as we begin to see Joey change a little bit. Monica comes to visit for a couple of days needing a break from screaming toddlers Season 4 Joey begins to grow up a little bit. He finds himself a steady girlfriend without things getting too serious. I mean, it's Joey after all Season 5 Joey's romantic life becomes a little bit more serious and he lands the lead role in a promising movie. Ross and Rachel have a honeymoon pit stop in LA to see Joey. They're headed on a cruise or something idk. Season 6 Joey finally begins to find his fame and fortune and Chandler visits to attend the premier of Joey's movie. Joey writes him a fat check from the movie advance paychecks in order to finally repay his debts, plus a little something extra. Chandler shits his pants when he sees the total Season 7 Joey struggles to find balance between his fame and remaining the humble and grounded Joey we all love Season 8 Joey has had a few movies to his credit now and spends Thanksgiving in NY with everybody at Chandler and Monica's house. Obviously, this is off-screen Season 9 Joey gets married due to a humorous pregnancy scare, finding himself hell bent on not raising a bastard child like his friend Ross (who has been giving advice over the phone). The ceremony is held in NY where Gunther serves as the caterer (Monica is far too slammed). Season 10 Joey and his wife purchase a "second home" in NY. Everybody thinks the deal is hush hush to allow Joey an escape to privacy but, in the series finale, it is revealed that Joey's new vacation home is across the street from Chandler and Monica who are equally surprised that the new neighbor is actually Joey. And of course, Joey becomes a dad for real. The idea comes up for Joey's wife and children to remain in NY permanently while Joey will maintain an apartment in LA to use whenever he is working but the kids are better off attending the same private schools as Chandler and Monica's kids Yes, I played it fast and loose with the cameos. However, this is Joey we're talking about. No matter what, he's gonna be grounded and loyal to his 5 best friends from Central Perk, and they're always going to be supportive of him. So, Joey is a mega movie star. He does settle down to have a family as normal as possible but, he's still Joey, so he vacations in NY as often as he can where he gets to see everyone while he's there.
Here's how bad Warner Bros. wants to act like "Joey" doesn't exist: It never released the second season on DVD in the U.S. I had to import my copy from Amazon Canada. (In fact, due to a shipping error, I received two copies separately, making me very likely the only non-WB person or retailer to have multiple copies of it domestically.)
@@claravecchi5163 It just shows what a waste of potential Joey was, including in Friends when many viewers were left with disappointment that the writers were dumbing down his character again after the ordeal with Rachel was over and *nothing* left with. If Joey did reserve a better treatment in Friends (what he should have), then the spin-off wouldn't have been necessary.
I supposed I should consider myself lucky my season 1 + 2 dvd boxes with Nordic subtitles were so easy to get a hold of, I didn't even have to go actively looking for them.
I haven't watched this show for quite a few years. But I do believe, they(Joey or his sister) mentioned Chandler at least one time in pilot and I am not sure about that, but I think he was mentioned more times and that they also mentioned Rachel. Maybe in that one episode where, his spoiled sister moved in his house for a while. But I could be wrong.
I really liked the show. I did recognize Joey as Joey in a new environment, and his detachment from his former friend felt authentic. There were definite low-points -- just as Friends. On the other hand, there were really interesting _conflicts_ and I laughed harder then on any Friends episode (which I truly love), on several occasions.
I wasn't a fan of Friends. I didn't actively hate it, but it wasn't something I'd ever go out of my way to watch. I did like Joey, however. Even went out of my way to buy it on DVD. Maybe it wasn't good to those who liked Friends because of what it wasn't. I just liked it because of what it was.
Duuuuude! I remember my friends and I were *SO EXCITED* for the spin-off, we all met up every week to watch the first few episodes together... But by about episode 4-5ish, our viewing parties had gradually morphed into pseudo-game nights and other activities. We just sorta “forgot” about the show in real time - and I’ve honestly never thought about it again, until stumbling across this video.😱
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A spin off focused on chandler n Monica with their kids and Joey lives in a room above their garage like they said he would.
Jay I WANT THAT SO BADLY
Holy shit, this is the best idea I've read in years.
@@cecemorrow3606 what about "Dinner with the Tribianni's" it's Joey and Monica as husband and wife. The entire show revolves around feeding Matt Le blanc in a fat suit and Chandler Bing is the dog.
That's what he gets for hating dogs and has to watch Joey bang his wife for the remainder of his dog days. Why is he a dog I dunno he pissed off Phoebe or destroyed Gladys or Glynnis cursing him, this occult perspective delves into Phoebe's new age religion she always seemed like a written off charmed character. Totally grounded series I swear.
Yes this one would be so much better... First there's more original characters hence the chemistry and then ofocurse the premise itself has a lot more potential....chandler as a suburban dad would be hilarious
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it failed because they didn't call it ''The Joey Showey'' like they should have.
God that makes it sound like he's about to pull down his pants and showey his Joey.
Hahahaha, I laughed with the first comment and then I just exploded with the second one 😂😂😂
@@hunterentrepreneur520 yesss same here 😂😂😂
Yes
@@cooldude56g omg 😂😂
The comic relief character RARELY makes a good main focus of a tv show. They’re better in small doses.
Planet Sheen agrees with you.
It worked for Saul from Breaking Bad
To wit, when Cheers was ending, the producers considered doing a spinoff of Norm or Cliff. They soon realized this would be a bad idea as the one liners they gave was great once or twice a show (even about to carry a few episodes over 11 years) but, every week, no. So they went to the guy who instead of one liners was the reactor of the show. And thus Fraser was born.
Hal Cromwell i’m not complaining about that decision. LOVE FRASIER!
@@markjackson6431 Frasier worked because it ticked two boxes: it allows people to laugh at snooty people getting into funny situations (a bit like a lot of British humour), and it gave smart comedy for people who consider themselves cultured.
It succeeded because different people could laugh at the show for different reasons without alienating any class of people.
In Friends everyone's arc was completed except that of Joey's.
Monica : She wanted baby, a chef career, a relationship. And she got it all at the end.
Chandler: Hated his job, wanted a partner. He got a job he loved and married a woman he loved.
Ross: He wanted to be married. He had a huge unresolved crush on Rachel. He got it all at the end.
Rachel: She wanted to be independent and not be the spoiled daddy's little girl. She was a successful executive and a responsible mother at the end.
Phoebe: She just wanted a family of her own. And she got it at the end.
But Joey neither had a stable relationship nor a successful acting career at the end. So the spinoff attempted to address it.
But the big problem was they literally forgot FRIENDS. I mean Joey was getting married and there is no mention of his friends ?
IMO, they could have ended in Season 2 with his marriage and they should have announced all his friends are coming to the wedding. The viewership would have skyrocketed and it would be a good ending.
But didn't Rachel and Ross break up in the end?
@@youjustgotburned3980 no they united
@@youjustgotburned3980 bro watch the show
If only they had given him his big break in a sitcom basically about himself called... "Joey"
They could have shown a preview and then turned it into the real show. Joey would always have his happy ending and the show could have been better received by an audience who understood that it isn't the Friends world. And then done anything they wanted with the same lovable character
@@patrickconrad396 You mean like what the producers and writers did with Dr. Frasier Crane in his own spin-off, following Cheers?
Can’t blame him, I woulda taken $30 million too, that’s like 30 million hamburgers
ryanwilson exe in this economy?
or one REALLY good hamburger
Where are you getting your hamburgers for $1
Who’s your hamburger guy?
This was 2003-2004 money, guys. $30M in 2003 was worth $41,779,394.63 in 2018.
they didn't get the concept that joey wasn't "joey" without chandler, Monica, ross, Pheobe, and Rachel... also what happened to the plan where joey was supposed to live in the garage with Monica and Chandler?
@libby young To simply put it, the writers *never* got it that the magic ensemble of Aniston, Schwimmer, Perry, Cox, Kudrow and of course LeBlanc is what made Friends able to exist for 10 seasons and becoming so popular the way it did. Even though Friends was averaging in the number of "accolades" in comparison to other sitcoms, like Everybody Loves Raymond and the Larry Summers Show, the ratings were still far larger than many others in part of the popularity and "talent" of the cast members.
The writers thought that Friends would be able to exist without the six actors complete. And it's not the first time. Back when the actors went for a pay-raise going to $250.000 per episode, both NBC, WB and many of the producers/writers sought to exclude some of the actors and replacing them. Didn't work. They were all very professional, didn't budge and continued their work.
Last but not least, both Matt LeBlanc and Kevin Bright wanted to give Joey a fair chance at becoming a complete character. However, the plug was pulled once Joey's character kept going in the wrong direction.
Over the garage like Fonzie might’ve worked.
libby young ikr!
With an aquarium and a sex swing.
The producers actually wanted that but the actors refused.
A big problem was that Joey was so close to his friends for 10 years, and then in his own show he never saw or spoke to any of them!
Exactly atleast he could hv talked to his friends on phone sometimes
Apparently he actually does mention Rachel in the spinoff.
@@gabopr1365 well if he did then that is great but that isn’t enough for a character like Joey. There is a difference between mentioning your friends in conversations and actually conversing with your friends. One is more enjoyable to watch and the other you are watching one person reminiscing over an event or person that isn’t there so it can feel awkward.
I don’t believe Joey as a clingy guy.
If he was offered a good tv show that’s filmed in another city. He would definitely move over make friends still optimistic about everything. Getting girl everywhere. Cracking stupid joke and brush off any difficulties in life. Because he doesn’t care and always happy no matter how hard his life is and will be.
exactly ! this was what i thought when i watch 'Joey'. it doesn't make sense that he didn't even miss them when they always be together esp during holidays 🙄. but i love joeyy forever ❤️🤪
You can tell Matt Leblanc was the only one who wanted to keep working, he's rumoured to be the only one who wanted another season of friends, and he's done multiple other series.
I remember watching a series he did called "episodes" and the only guest star from the gang he got was one scene with David Schwimmer.
Episodes was a better "Joey Friend's spinoff" than Joey. At least in that universe, Friends the show had happened to Matt character. It was a great show.
Yeh well we all saw "Lost in Space"...
Episodes is fantastic and is well worth seeking out - which can be difficult due to that title!
Episodes was an excellent show.
@@zaphodbond it was actually done by the same guy who created Friends.
when they eventually make an official friends reunion, they should reference 'Joey' as a TV show Joey did, and make it meta. As if this was a TV show on a TV show. Joeyception.
"So Joey how was Hollywood? Didn't they do a show about your own life?"
"I'd... rather not talk about it"
Mind blowing.
That would work. He literally was an actor on Days of our Lives in the show!
@@tonys6620 The person asking should be Rachel. I can hear that question in her voice
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Honestly, a spin off with Chandler and Monica I could see. It’s two of the Friends cast and they’re interestingly different and they actually had a story line to go off of.
Why the hell did they approach Rachel first?
R Nickerson Jennifer Anniston was INSANELY popular at the end of Friends. I can see why they would’ve approached her first.
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Yeah, but unless they planned to completely change characters like they ended up doing with Joey, what the hell were they going to do with Rachel? Watch her be extremely busy at work and taking care of a baby where people don't even speak English? Great show...
@@Richard_Nickerson How would they have explained no Ross?
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That's actually easy: he didn't move with her, he stayed in NY. Even if their relationship didn't end, they could easily have him be in her life without ever actually appearing.
They could have had Joey living with his 7 sisters. It would have lifted some of the pressure off Joey himself
Actually in the episodes of Joey sometimes his sisters appear
that's really interesting. It could've been a great challenge to try and give each one of them a memorable personality and really show Joey's sweet side.
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@@htasul Then it should have been done in Friends, cause there were over 200 episodes to do. The writers had the chance in the later seasons, but deciding to throw him under the bus instead for the sake of Ross and Rachel's on- and off-relationship and just wanting it to drag on, even though it had become irrelevant to the point of her pregnancy.
@@dvchel I think you missed the point of Rachel's pregnancy. Ross and Rachel were done with each other, but it was a random event that spelled it out loud and clear that they should be together and yet it still wasn't enough for them to start a relationship again. As for Joey's sisters - it's a comedy show at the end of the day, if the writers don't write it, they would just go with something equally funny in its place
The best idea for a spin-off would be a backstory about phoebes life
Agree. Showing Monica, Rachel, Ross back in High School (where Ross develops his crush), with appearances of Phoebe (stealing Ross' bike) and perhaps accidentally even Joey as well, would have been awesome. Perhaps including College too. Concerning this is where Rachel and Monica had lost touch with each other (in a prelude to the Pilot) and we get to meet Chandler etc. It would further help creating a more organic, interesting and meaningful backstory to Ross & Rachel's arc. With the "prom video" as said example, or Ross seeing Rachel in a bikini for the first time etc.
Phoebe’s backstory would have been very interesting to see.
Young Sheldon but phoebe
Agree
@@victorsamsung2921 exactly, the big bang theory was so great at doing this, they created a spinoff in the younger version of their main character. Because of the show we figured out some of the biggest reasons sheldon the main character acted and treated and did things to other people. For example the whole engineering thing with howard, or why he ddint wanna go to caltech in the first place. But this show is diffrent from that, they need all of the members to really work. They also took the whole charatcter off of joey as well.
They should've just made Mac and C.H.E.E.S.E. instead
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"The Bings" spin off is the only one that makes sense.
MatiZ815 ikr!
Or ross and Rachel ( the bings are good 2(
The thing is the bings is more or less 1/3 of friends with a large likelihood of another 1/3 of friends guest starring (due the fact of Monicas brother and best friend being an thing with a child by the end of friends you couldn’t just hand wave the fact she never sees her brother and his partner who she lived with most of her young adult life along with her nephew in Ben and her niece in Emma) you basically are making a version of friends while cutting out the two more zany members of the group), I’d bet money in a few years they end up making a stupid spin off based on the twin bings and Ross’s two kids and it will suck since enough real time will have past to make it credible that they’ve become adults
Especially since they had a Joey room
By their self they wouldn’t be funny
Let's make it short: Joey doesn't work without his Friends. It is called "Friends" for a good reason.
@TheSherBru Valid point. However, another "great" reason why it was known Joey the spin-off was going to fail beforehand was due to the flanderization of his character at the end of Friends. His was the worst out of all. He began in season 1 as a street-smart guy. Towards the end in season 10 he was in serious need of a supervisor. Compare this to the great development you saw in season 8 when Joey finally came to understand women on a different level, it was disappointing to see the writers then made the decision to dumb him down again to a person unable to speak French. These poor decisions left Joey with not much to stand on his own. His character definitely should have been written more complete by the show's end. Then again, often money and greed rules in terms of deciding that Friends wasn't enough by Warner Brothers and NBC.
@@dvchel yeah you are right. Thankfully there is no Barney Stinson spin off. In the terrible last episode they did the same with his development
@@TheSherBru Yes, but HIMYM does have a not so favorable ending in comparison to Friends. They did got the _"will they or won't they"_ paradigm between Ted and Robin better than Ross and Rachel in Friends. Not to forget the drama coming off right, whereas in Friends it was coming off cheesy very often.
After Rachel had given birth to her child with Ross by her side, millions upon millions had the desire and wanting to see these two starting to build on their relationship again. However, the creators made the decision to throw Joey in the equation because they liked playing with fire, even though it made no sense at that moment in time of Friends - what else, you get burned!
The reason why, in addition to the ending of HIMYM, it continues to amaze me how writers, producers and creators can be so out of touch with the public and what it wants. Their incompetence just left too much open for the imagination.
Feel like Ross would work as a spin off
Joey was real good tho.
Friends is such a good show because of the chemistry of the 6. They are all entirely different from each other but they have one huge thing in common: They all care about each other.
@JOHN GR The 6x actors of Jennifer, David, Matthew, Matt, Courteney and Lisa did ... and that's made Friends so much 200% extra special. You know, this love and care for one another e.g. this genuine, meaningful relationship.
except well.. Rachel.
Yep. The laughed they cried they argued fought lied and backstabbed each other from time to time but in the end they did love and care about each other
"...a weird clone of Joey." It's Carl, isn't it? Dammit, Carl!
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Chandler’s last word on the show: “Where?”
Monica’s first word on the show: “There...”
Wow, they really do complete each other
actually his last words were "thank you" but he says it so soft you can't hear them, but you can see it in the subtitles on (sorry if my english is bad :(
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I am reading all the comments about how other characters' spin-offs would have been better, but I totally disagree. The whole point of Friends is watching them together, as a group. This joey show was just the proof the even considering a spin-off without all of the six characters was a mistake. They work well together, not separated.
I couldn’t agree more about this
@@raffaele__morrone yes me too it just wouldn't work
You are right ofcourse but one can argue wether or not they would be worse or better choices than Joey. The other Friends should have at least consisted of 2 main characters of Friends (if you count Mike as well), which would have already helped a bit.
But even if they were not in relationships ofcourse a series about just Ross, Monica, Rachel, Chandler or Phoebe wouldn't work either. Perhaps Phoebe would be the best option, followed by Joey.
I do think the Joey series was possible but not like the "2 and a half man" kind of series it wanted to be (at least I get those vibes).
Joey needs Chandler or Ross there to tell him he's being an idiot. Just like Han Solo needs Luke Skywalker to tell him to care about someone else. On their own the characters don't work.
@@oliverford5367 honestly that touches on another big problem with the Joey show.
suddenly Joey was the one telling everyone else they were an idiot because the only person on the show smarter than him was his nephew who was a genius with no social skills so he fucked up in other ways.
The problem was that none of Friends characters have their own charisma and lives, they don't work by themselves, they need the others to exist. Have you been in a group of friends that works super awesome but the individual lives of each one of the persons is really boring, lame, dull, or just not funny? Have you been in a group of like 6 or 7 friends where you only have fun when you ALL hang out together, but if it was only you and another dude or dudette from the group it's just not the same (even if it's the funny one)? Welcome to the answer on why Joey didn't work, and a similar premise will never work.
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True. I noticed that chandler and Monica only started to get noticed once they started dating. But as individuals no one cares
Yes me and my friends
I mean we wouldn't know how their individual lives are just ours.
No, Ivan. When I am just with one or two people, we have a great time, and a lot of teasing and jokes are enjoyed by all. I guess this is something that you relate to?
The thing I remember not liking about the Joey show, was that they reset his character development. All the growth as a person he made in Friends was just gone.
That was Really the greatest/only problem with the spinoff
ifkr!!!
What growth did he exactly achieve?
@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 did u like not watch Friends?? Joey from season 1 and season 10 are literally the opposite!!
Joey's character never evolved from the womanizer/dumb/optimistic guy. That problem was already in Friends and carried over to Joey, that's why he couldn't be a lead. There was nothing going for him. This video failed to touch on that issue.
All the other characters had grown up by the end of the series, Joey stayed the same. It was even a recurring joke in the series, even by the end of it Joey can't deal with Chandler and Monica moving to a new house and Chandler says they got a spare room for Joey, and he gets all happy kiddy like. The show touched early on (and again a few seasons later with that girl Mon and Rach wanted Joey to date because they liked her) how he wanted to have a deeper relationship and find love, the girls left him and he went back to square one. The writers never explored that issue. Joey stayed the womanizer from the start of the series to the end of it, even though he could evolve from that.
Chandler got over his fears of serious relationships, made peace with his father. Monica got the family she always wanted and Richard didn't want to give her. Rachel became successful with her own career. Ross resolved his issues with Rachel and got back with her, which was what he always wanted. Phoebe also had the same kind of problem as Joey, she loved David but he left. She found love with Mike and settled down with him. They all started a new chapter in their lives, and Joey was put to the side.
I would love to see spin-off about Pheobe's childhood.
It would especially be funny seeing the one (episode) where Phoebe mugs Ross.
YES!!!
I think that would be depressive as hell, Phoebe didn't have a fun childhood, her father leaving, her mother killing herself, she's a weirdo because her circumstances made her that way. Mugging Ross is funny now because we now that adult Phoebe is ok, but at the time she was trying to survive. As an adult her character shows that you can make peace with the demons of your childhood.
That’s more of a drama than a comedy.
I don’t think the same team would want to behind that.
@@DannyRamonne we should se her like with everything happening but her trying to make light and being positive
It failed because Joey is a supporting character or ensemble character, he’s not deep enough to be a lead role.
I always said I wish the spin off was Chandler and Monica. They actually had a new chapter to explore and they could play off each other- developed characters that we already know.
Collette Lowry yes with the others coming in once in awhile
Its called better writing. This type of thinking is lazy.
Collette Lowry I KNOW!
@@danieltarczynski6559 yeah I think fraiser shows that this CAN work, but you just have to construct an actual interesting sitcom. I watched fraiser loads never having watching cheers but it never felt like I was missing anything. Because it wasn't about just attracting people with a flashy character you liked from this other show- it was about writing a good sit com
@@abijo5052 yeah exactly! Frasier is an ensemble that has a great cast. Just like Joey should have been. Also cameos from his old friends would have shown he was still in touch. I never watched Cheers much either but it was about a pub. Friends were family the distancing thing made it dumb. I mean he was so close to them yet he never goes to visit Mondler or or anything?
In season 4-5 of Friends (London and the following few episodes) they show the viewers not only how much Joey cares about his friends, but how much he loves his life in its current state and how he hates changes. This not only makes the Joey show improbable but also impossible, as he nearly broke down when he lived in the big apartment and when Chandler moved out. There is no possible way for that same character to abandon his friends, family, and life to live in L.A. to follow his career which was always second to him behind the people in his life that mattered most.
the ross spin off is actually there: it's called How I Met Your Mother ahah
Hahahaha
YES 😂😂
lmao
The best comment ever
Lol currently rewatching how I met ur mother
Hans Ramoray starred in this, no one can tell me otherwise.
This is an underated comment 😂
This is so magical 😂
Hahaha that's my headcanon now
Bad joke tho
He also left the toilet seat up, the bastard.
They should’ve done a show about phoebe’s life before “friends”, like when she lived on the streets and how she got through it
Yes!!!!
Phoebe is a bad charater imo
@@georgezak4689 ok.
That would have been amazing!
Imagine an episode where we get to see Kid Phoebe mug Kid Ross.
Matt knew the show would tank and he'd earn a huge pile of dough for not much work. It also have him a reason to keep dyeing his hair. Awesome.
i have always refused to watch joey’s show,, and whenever i remember it’s existence i tell myself that it’s probably just joey’s dreams and he’s still actually living in new york or with chandler and monica
I really wish they all got back together to do one last episode...
Well, Chandler does say once that he dreams of having their dream house which it would include a small place for Joey to grow old. Taking into count how codependent Joey is, he most likely did move in with Chandler and Monica in the end.
biggest take aways from this video:
1. The Joey Show exists
2. Do not watch The Joey Show
it was a great show, I loved it
You should watch it, is really goof
It's really not awful, but it's definitely doesn't live up to friends.
I loved it, too. It probably would have done fine if Friends never existed.
It was not awful, it was actually "tres sympa" yet at the same time it was also weird showing Joey NOT being Joey.
It was obvious that this spin-off was going to flop when the character you picked for it was your THIRD choice. Not a lot of good options left at that point.
Technically 4th choice since the 2nd option was actually 2 characters together.
I'm guessing Gunther was busy.
I think a Phoebe show would have been good. She was the only friend that seemed to have other friends outside of the group. She always talked about these bizarre characters in her life when she was younger and homeless. Her sad story plots were convincing. Lisa Kudrow probably would have turned them down too tho.
Honestly I would've rathered a Chandelier and Monica spin off where everyone comes to visit every now and again and they raise their kids
Its Chandler not chandelier 🤣
I'd love to watch a show about Monica and a Chandelier. So many possibilities with that fancy light fixture;
@@ichirosuzuki9853 actually its ms chanandlier bong
Sounds boring
Phoebe said in an episode that Joey is a new soul. That always stuck with me as a perfect description. He’s happy go lucky
Does anyone else feel like they purposely “leaked” the episode cuz they had Doubt
obviously
Why did they cancel it? And not just change it
Everyone purposely leaks everything:-) there is no such thing as an accidental leak
@@acommonmanwithrandomwords8373 Fr like can u accidentally leak something that's on a drive. You would actually have to take the flash drive plug it into the computer and download it onto the Internet
Depends on who they is. Chances are there was tension during the creative process and someone who disagreed with the direction of the show leaked it. But I doubt any higher ups would risk advertiser money by leaking the show early. That potentially reduces the audience of people that will view the debut episode.
Theoretically, a spinoff about Monica and Chandler's family life would have probably been better (or at least easier to manage from a writer's perspective).
After they got together and made their relationship known to the other friends, their individual storylines started to merge and they ended up focusing on their romance and daily life rather than individual "misadventures".
Basically, they could have easily carried the weight of a show on their own because they seem more like protagonists and not simply side characters. Joey, however? He was created as a side character (like Phoebe) and was meant to stay that way.
That said, I'm glad that they didn't make another spinoff with Monica and Chandler, trying to "resuscitate" a show that is already over is 99% of the time a bad idea.
Fiore Fiore phoebe and mike could’ve been GREAT as a show tbh.
I believe Joey’s character ended when friends ended and by that I mean I feel like he didn’t really have much going for him that we as an audience would wanna continue seeing in a spin-off. Mondler raising the twins would’ve been interesting to see, or Mike and Phoebe since she wanted her own kids after seeing Mondler’s set of twins, or even Roschel raising Emma since they got back together (for the 100th time). But in the end, I feel like any spin off wouldn’t of been big without the six of them
I couldn't agree more
@@theonewithbrothers6414 aye glad you do!
At the time, I remember thinking the opposite, in that Joey was the only one that didn’t get a “happy ending” like everyone else did, and thus could be explored further. I also rather liked the idea that he was going to be getting more depth in character.
But…well…ultimately it felt like Joey regressed in a lot of ways, and his stupidity was amped up a bit too high. And I didn’t care a thing about the other new main characters, whereas the show was wanting to put a ton of focus on them. Bleh.
The show he made “Episodes” was literally about Matt LeBlanc after his show Joey failed
that's the tone they should have hit from the beginning
He even mentioned the 8 unaired Joey episodes in Episodes
Man that show was hella weird and I loved every minute of it 😂
I loved that show. It’s on Netflix now.
Anyone remember
another show matt was in called top of the heap, married with children spinoff just before friends started.
The lesson learned from "Joey" is why we never got "Schrute Farms."
Masked Moviegoer I feel like schrute farms would’ve been good though because we know the schrute family and Angela and I feel like it would’ve been more familiar than just having a show with one guy (Joey)
Not to mention MOSE
"Those who can't farm, farm celery."
Hey Panini I’m assuming you really don’t see why the office is an amazing show?
@Lil P.J. dont you watch anything at all seriously
Matt LeBlanc redeemed himself big time with 'Episodes' though, so everything works out. Had it not been for 'Joey', we wouldn't have that show.
That show is so overlooked. I love it.
Fantastic show got me through geometry last year
That show is great, his ringtone in that was my ringtone for ages.
The Boy Bandana pay attention in school smh
That show was so damn good, Matt LeBlanc was especially great in it.
I can understand the other actors not wanting to continue to pursue those characters but I feel like the one character that would have made the most sense to pop in or have a continuation on Joey would be phoebe. They always seem to get along the best and I feel like it would make sense that Phoebe would want to explore California. Yes she had kids, but I do not think they were her kids? Even if they were, I think that they could have made it work to where she popped in with her family in California on a vacation.
she didn't have kids she was a surrogate for her brother's triplets. she was married though.
Interesting. To me it is Ross & Rachel. Their final reunion still felt hollow and forced in many ways, because of the fact that they were forcibly kept apart for 7.5 years. Referring as an example to the season 9 plot of Rachel & Joey. Knowing it just made no sense on the basis of seasons 1-7, where Rachel never showed any interest in his manners, behaviour or personality. It was Ross all the way for the most part.
And moments like season 9 are where Ross & Rachel should have slowly and steadily come back together. You know, to make the final reunion feel more organic and meaningful. With the 3x divorces behind you, and seeming to slowly drift apart over the most simplest of issues, just didn't felt right on the basis of watching seasons 1-3 etc.
@@victorsamsung2921 yeah, that felt more like an inevitable, distant coparenting situation
@@katelynbrown98 Yep. Very vague and very unfortunate. For the situation with Joey was putting Rachel AND Ross in a bad light. Including with regards to parenting.
Actually, now that I've come back to this comment, I could totally see Phoebe and her crew wanting to do van/nomad life. They'd love California! 😍
When they first aired the show I first thought that it had nothing to do with Friends.
That was way better, because he kept his personality. He wasn't afraid to mention his past life. He storylines were better with his crazy unpredictable personality.
I remember liking the show, I think Joey carried the show good enough. However, I can'really remember a single episode/joke.
How!? It stars Matt LeBlanc and it's called 'Joey'!
@@joefox9875 I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO BE RAISING KANGAROOS IN AUSTRALIA
A master class in making the same point 10 different ways
For real instead of listing specific episodes and/or scenes where Joey isn’t being Joey he repeats himself instead saying Joey isn’t Joey. Well okay but like why I need more specifics details. Expound
Hes really good at it though
but it'll be like 5 mins til you realize it
Wait, Are you talking about the show or this video?
@@Sgt-Wolf this video. he barely shows anything from the show that he himself mentiones no one has seen or remembers. he's making all these points with like 0 evidence. its bizarre
Maybe “joey” is actually dr drake remorays evil twin brother..
Best comment ever! 😂 😂
xdddd
Hans!!
STRIKER
I can imagine a Joey spinoff working but not the one they made. It could have been called f.a.m.i.l.y and Joey would have been a supporting character in the story of the lives of his many sisters. It would have been set around New York probably rather than LA and would have focused on the more working class lives and family structure of the tribbianis. It prob would not have worked as well as friends but it might have worked ok in a cheers>Frasier way in that it would be different and solid enough to attract an audience. Once it was established other friends cast could return for guest spots to see Joey
This would actually work! A wise reference title to the original title and a good circle dynamic for a main Friends character to be surrounded with- a sitcom of Joey and his sisters would have been interesting. I like the working class NY setting vision too lol
Are we gonna ignore the fact that Phoebe wasn’t even considered an option?? Or Ross???
Ross and rachel got together in the end so rachel spin-off would also involve ross
Cause Ross sucks and phoebe too cool
Colette McKissen wtffff ross doesn’t suck. Yes he may be very insecure but who tf isn’t? Like shit give him a fucking break.
@@kemichhhh ngl, Ross is psychotic. The character is actually nuts
biance kemich arbas chill libtard
R U KIDDING?! There could've been a spinoff about Monica and Chandler raising their kids and the actors said no?! They could've had Joey live in their garage and eventually fall for someone and make it as an actor, they could've had Janice as a neighbor and it would've been good with those two in the lead of a family comedy. It could've happen,Mandy it didn't?! Ugh? How could they say no?!! It would've been perfect! I'm gonna go meditate now...
Wait, why didn't they consider a spinoff about Phoebe?
things feel incomplete without one person in friends group, all six of them should be there for the show to work, it would be extremely weird with only Joey, Chandler, and Monica.
They didn't want to keep playing the same characters..
claire larravide yeah although i wonder if any of them would agree to playing their characters again 16 years later
@@nicole.24 I wish they would.....that would be sooooooooo good
Keep in mind these actors are multi millionaires after the show ended. They been playing the same characters for 10 years. Why would they keep playing them when they’re finally free from contract and rich out of it? I would of walked away too. Yes the show is wonderful but at the end of the day it’s all about the money.
I once had a dream that Joey wasn’t canceled after season 2 but went on to have several seasons and the fifth season had a story arc that revolves around going fishing. Like a fishing trip.
You had a vision of a different reality
@@ShadowLegend300 ah yes you speak the truth brother
So uncle Bryn is actually Joey? Joseph Bryn West.
First of all there shouldn't have been any spin-off. I remember what Matthew Perry said in an interview and I agree with him. He said something like- we are afraid to make another season or spin- off because the level we set was so high and I am afraid that we don't fall down (something like this). Plus if they had to make a spin-off I would have liked a short film which showed all the friends a few years later together drinking coffee at central perk and talking about their day. It should have been revealed that they hung out everyday one time in central perk and were still very very close friends. And Joey would also have ended up with someone.
Anyways I like the friends reunion and I am glad they decided to only show the whole cast talking and an interview, watching bloopers, treading scripts etc. And not any crap
When I heard of this spinoff, I thought, "Finally! Joey's going to grow up and be more than the sidekick!" I thought about what would challenge him the most and also fit his character the most, from what we knew of him. While living in New York, he gets a phone call from a girl he'd dated for a few months. She tells him she's had a baby and it's his. He councils with his friends (cameo, like 90210 did for Melrose Place's first episode), takes a DNA test and decides to go to LA to man-up (as foreshadowed) and ask her to marry him.
She won't marry someone she barely knows, and she won't leave LA, because her single dad is there. Joey was the one to hate change the most and the least likely to leave his friends (his family), but, as hard as it is, he can't abandon his daughter/son and decides to stay. While in LA, he may as well kill two birds with one stone by also trying to improve his career and becoming successful for his child.
This concept opened so many doors for humour, warmth, tension, meaningful romance, blunders and character growth.
It was pretty disappointing that the writers threw the character under the bus, for cheap laughs.
This could have been pretty good tbh
Spinoff shows just seem like some of the most unpredictable experiment in television. It’s brought some of the best and some of the boring-est shows out there.
Young sheldon
Frasier
Better Call Saul.
Drake and Josh (spin-off of the Amanda show).
Planet Sheen but that turned out horrible
Makes me wanna watch Frasier; now THAT was a spin off done right
Greatest spin-off ever. Not even close.
@@hysterheister0947 Somebody must have missed Joanie Loves Chachi...
Hell yea!! An they are starting it up again
There’s definitely an argument to be made for Frasier being an example of a spin-off that surpasses the show which spawned it
Wht was it spun off of? Was it cheers? 🤔
It worked so damn well for Frasier they hoped they could recreate that with Joey. Any spin off can work if done correctly but most of the time it doesn't
Fun Fact: *David Schwimmer directed some Episodes of Joey show.*
No, not a "fun fact"! In fact, not fun for anyone!
I am Nobody ok boomer
@@kemichhhh what!?
@@kemichhhh I guess you didn't get the memo, huh? No? Then let me tell you... "OK, Boomer" by the way, that's the grammatically correct way to write it, is another way of saying "I'm stupid, and I have nothing of depth or substance to contribute to the conversation". So it's clear, "OK, Boomer" is essentially saying: "My mind is quite limited when it comes to debating, so I will simply say "whatever" so it could appear as if I am defending something when I in fact, defending nothing". Got it? So my response to you, which is more accurate, is: "OK, Stupid"
@@RumbleFish69 ok boomer
Major issue was that Friends was an ensemble show, with 6 actors sharing the load, Joey was one actor trying to carry the entire show.
"It's unnatural for things to live forever"
I am looking at you Star Wars
and The Simpsons
And Spongebob
It's fine to set new stories in the star wars universe , it has potential . I mean the mandalorian
And Star Trek, and the whole Superhero comics universe that was rebooted many, many, times over, its timeline is a convoluted mess.
This is why manga wins while American comics stagnate: the Japanese are constantly killing off old series to make space for new ones, that's how you sell millions of copies instead of a few thousands.
Star wars is a franchise that is so deep with worldbuilding you can keep going forever but you have to focus on different aspects of the universe (being a jedi, being a sith, being a clone soldier, being a civilian, being a criminal, etc.) or you're going to run into a lot of rehashing.
What about Frasier? It used the exact same formula as Joey, but it worked. They took a character from an ensemble cast moved him to the West Coast and made significant changes to his personality.
It started the same year when Cheers ended and Friends started and it ended the same year when Friends ended. Crazy.
Different. Frasier was a guy in a bar and they always leaned into the Cheers connection. Frasier also had one of the best writing teams
@@rigsby1454 an underrated sitcom indeed. Ran for 11 great seasons too.
Frasier was even above friends when it came to pure comedy....maybe not the early seasons but definitely it held the comic roles and characters almost all the way...
The final seasons as with all sitcoms were a bit dull...
But the show was amazing!
@@rigsby1454exactly...the cast the writers...impeccable. this is how a show reaches those heights of popularity...basically it's magic and the producers who put these 'perfect' shows together have crazy talent for knowing what will work.
Totally forgot Joey was a show. I didn’t watch it
You didnt miss much. Wasnt as bad as people say but was 100% forgettable
Came out around the same time as two and a half men which was the better show.
Horrible show
BECAUSE IT FEATURES ONLY ONE GOOD CHARACTER
Sounds like it didn’t have any good characters
Not even Joey was a good character for the spin-off
Bob Saget!!
Jennifer Coolidge was hillarious in that show. Shame no one remembers because she was on such a shit show.
The story could've been Joey falling in love and moving in with his girlfriend that has a son ( the son can be a teenager or just a grown man living with his mom ) plenty of stories would come out of that, and instead of completely forgetting the rest of " Friends " cast, they could've gave them couple of appearances in which they visit Joey.
"Man with a plan" seems like a better spin off about Joey than "Joey" was. Adam feels more like a grown up version of Joey.
Shame that it was canceled though
@@theartistformallyknownasle4490 yes, loved the show.
Joey was one of the best characters of friends, but he’s great because his friends. Take the other 5 away and he’s not good.
I think the only logical spin-off would have been "Smelly Cat" the series.
🤣🤣🤣
And each episodes plot is trying to figure out "what are they feeding you"
@@pork-chopexpress650 and on the final episode they finally figure it out
no
Honestly, I think that a spinoff about Joey could've been really good if it was done right.
Because Joey wasn't *just* a character for comedic relief and support, even if that's what he served for the original show.
He had things that could've been explored and developed on. He had issues with commitment in relationships, his potential in acting, his struggling with growing up.
The Joey spinoff could've been great if it touched on the lines of a dramedy if they kept his character intact and just fleshed out his life more instead of tearing it apart.
It might've been really entertaining to see how Joey somehow ended up in some weird conflicts that he managed to solve despite his lack of common sense, like his own subplots in some of the Friends episodes.
There could've been overarching plotlines about one or two main love interests throughout the show that made him think about settling down as he wrestled with getting older. I would've loved to see him have phone calls with Chandler and Phoebe about the things he was going through and asking for advice.
I dunno. I don't think that a Friends spinoff with Joey wasn't wanted. I just don't think it made it something people didn't know they wanted.
That actually sounds good.
@@onigames7309 same
Joey came right after the end of Friends, people were not ready to see only him without the rest of the gang, but the show was not so bad as you said actually! I kinda liked it back then and I've just started a rewatch out of curiosity cause I didn't remember much of it... it actually made me laugh more than once already! Joey is not deprissing AT ALL, the fact that he can't make friends in LA is very well explained in the show itself... It's much harder to make new friends when you're grown up and LA is very different from NY, as Joey said "In NY I could approach people in the street, here in LA everybody drives a car, how do you meet people?". I find it also logical that Joey wanted to try something different as all of his NY friends had moved on in life (got married, had kids, had the job of their dreams...) remember Monica and Chandler left the apartment at the end of the show? So why was Joey supposed not to try something different as well? He's an actor after all, it's only logical that he would try to move to LA at a certain point and see if he had any chances there. This doesn't mean that he won't go back to NY at some point or that he's not calling his friends. I think it would've have been just pathetic to have the show with him on the phone with his friends! And the fact that we don't see him calling them it doesn't mean he didn't and that he's not in touch with them anymore. Most of Friends' characters have really changed in the course of the show, while Joey was the only one who didn't evolve, didn't have a decent carrier and didn't find love. This could've been Joey's chance if only people weren't so nostalgic and narrow-minded. What I didn't like about Joey was the fact that they cast Adam Goldberg as a recurrent character when he had already played one in Friends (remember Eddie, Chandler's weird roommate?). Also Joey's look seems to be very different from Friends, why is he wearing all these shirts, trousers and shiney shoes now? Apart from that, I'm enjoying it very much at the moment and I suggest to give it a try if you can find it.
Agree! I was a Joey fan for as long as it existed. Used to download every episode on (I want to say) Limewire? It was when I started my first or second year in college I believe. I thought the show was awesome.
I literally just finished Friends and jumped into 'Joey' because I wasn't ready to let go. After the first episode, I was looking for a video to talk about it but nobody did. Now you did!! Thanks!
The Man made 30 million dollars. I wouldn't think of the word "regret" ever when talking about it.
I think the actor was also broke when friends ended.
@@kuroinova2056 How was he broke? You need to be really bad with money to lose millions of dollars...
@@kuroinova2056 no?? He was broke when it started but all the friends earned like.. A million per episode lmaooo
Here's the thing...the approach the show creators took with "Joey" wasn't actually weird. In fact there was a hugely successful precedent on the same network, "Frasier". NBC took Kelsey Grammar's character from Cheers (like Friends, a very popular ensemble comedy) and moved him across the country. Because Frasier Crane transitioned from being a supporting character to a lead character, his personality broadened to shoulder the new responsibility. The new Frasier Crane was a little more of a loser. Sometimes even a bit of a buffoon. Grammar is an excellent comic actor who made these new character traits work.
And like "Joey", "Frasier" didn't look or feel like its predecessor. Frasier's life back in Boston wasn't heavily referenced either. "Frasier" turned to be a huge success for the network, so it wasn't that crazy to think that "Joey" could be also since it followed a similar formula.
In the end "Joey" suffered from the same things most failed shows suffer from...lackluster cast, poor writing and weak chemistry. Going back to the "Frasier" example, if the Niles Crane character had been given to anyone other than David Hyde Pierce, that show might not have lasted that long. Pierce is an superb comic actor who had excellent chemistry with Kelsey Grammar. That pairing helped make the show a success. Unfortunately Matt LeBlanc didn't have someone as skilled to play off of. It made all the difference.
Christiaan Ingram exactly Frazier is supreme.
They should have made Joey the Same confident woman chasing guy who was chasing Hollywood movie success instead of New York tv success. He could have had a guy that was a nerd(left at the alter mirroring Rachel’s series opening on friends)that he helps get back on his feet helps get his mojo back as his friend shows next sidekick.
I think the reason why him being more of a loser in his own show is because on Cheers, we only got to see the persona he put forth when out in public. With Frasier, we got to see him being himself in his own home with his family.
@@Jane-yg3vz That's an excellent observation.
Bravo. Perfectly written
Agreed, but the main difference is that Frasier had a much smaller part in Cheers than Joey did in Friends.
I watch the whole Joey Series. It gets me through difficult times in graduate school. This is a great show!
I have both seasons of Joey on dvd and I still forgot this existed.
🤣Why?
POST IT ONLINE
I think a show about Phoebe actually would have been better. She was kind of mysterious and unpredictable
Exactly. Any weird changes on the character could have been explained as "that was the real her, a side she wouldn't show her friends". It was pretty obvious that she had in interesting life separated from them.
Lisa Kudrow on Web Therapy is awesome
True, she has a twin sister and a younger brother with triplets. Could have made a pretty weird show with her.
I really have to watch Joey again, I only saw it as a kid, probably aged 9-10, I’m 24 now, my dads girlfriend at the time was obsessed with Friends and had all the copies which is how I got into Friends, she also had the Joey seasons, and while I don’t remember a whole lot of Joey, I remember liking it when I saw it. Since I’ve watched it I’ve heard so much about how Joey isn’t good, and especially after watching this video, it makes me wanna see it again to see if I was just blinded as a kid, or if I just actually liked the spin-off, all flaws aside.
Same. And I'm a bit older than you. I'm 29 and remember being bored by this show.
Sounds like Matt made the right decision there. 30 million can salve just about any ego regarding the Joey failure.
Honestly, I felt like Joey was really a good show. To me, Joey was just put up to be the new Rachel, in the sense that he left to find a new life to build on his own. It also had some really nice episodes that were just as funny as the ones in Friends.
I agree, 100%
Thank you.
I like the show Joey too! I'm actually streaming it right now online
The whole "I made 30 million. I need to make more mistakes like that!" quote is proof he definitely feels wounded over how bad the show came out. That's him being defensive. He obviously didn't need that money considering how much he STILL makes from "Friends" royalties. He NEVER had to do the spinoff. It was a bad decision altogether and that's why none of the other actors agreed to do one without the original showrunners.
@TechJunkie He didn't need the money indeed, but maybe he was hopeful and convinced on the approach by Kevin Bright and some of the other writers/producers who approached him about the spin-off. If there is anyone to blame it is literally Warner Brothers and the producers/writers themselves for being greedy and lacking the vision to complete Joey's character within the Friends era of 1994-2004.
Because, you had over 200 episodes in total, and there were many fun and interesting storylines/developments that were perfectly attributable to him. In season 8 you saw the tip of the ice berg when he finally began to understand women on another level. However, it was a disappointment that it came at the expense of deciding to continue dragging on with Ross and Rachel's relationship, and afterwards dumbing him down again with episodes such as the inability to speak French.
He's not being "defensive", he's telling the truth. Anyone would happily fail like that.
Hm, if I made 30 million out of a failed show I'd say the same, and not because I felt defensive, probably bcuz I'd think it was funny how much I made on a failed show 😂
I also agree with the other replies. I didn’t read that as defensive. I read it as no regrets.
"Joey" was better then many netflix originals...
Read this comment, realized it's true, and got really sad 😅
i thought the show was voted on, that the fans were asked what character should have their spinoff and joey won
This would’ve had more potential as a prequel
He looks way older, i don't think making a prequel would've been easy
@@THE202 Yep, not with Matt LeBlanc. But seeing how Young Sheldon is a massive success, because it is a prequel of Sheldon Cooper from TBBT, a younger actor could have perfectly played Joey. Between the ages of 14-20 when he is in High School and starts out as an actor. Watching him make the Pinocchio play in Central Park.
Never even heard of this. Assumed he retired rich after friends.
I seem to recall that ross enjoyed a successful second life as voice over for the giraffe in madagascar
he did, and as a kid I wasn't sure of its gender lol
It's because we all watched friends first. Actually I watched Joey before friends and I completely loved it. I loved it because I didn't watch friends hence I couldn't compare. The show by itself is actually good.
I still watch Friends, in my saddest moments those characters always make me laugh. It’s my feel better show💞
I kind of felt Joey was an attempt to make joey into his character from top of the heap... that and the spin off of that failed miserably too.
Joey is like jack sparrow , he’s not supposed to have he full spotlight
I had to find “Joey” on ebay several years ago…I loved “Friends” and yes, at first, it seemed bad…by the end, I was so upset that there wasn’t more…
Who the hell wasn’t yearning for Joey to become a HUGE MOVIE STAR!!
I used to watch this show when it was on, and I honestly enjoyed it. It didn't last long but i did like the other characters and Joey's love interest by the end. It wasn't boring.
IKR, I watched the show and I loved it. I can't remember but I think they introduced his nephew and he start teaching his nephew thus in turn growing. You cannot play the same character without having it grow. Even thor grew disillusioned with his character and wanted growth for it
@@abbysands9510 yeah exactly people at that time didnt had the brain to see that the show was actually funny and good they just hated it because it had nothing to do with the friend's
@@yourdad-xs8tn so true
@@abbysands9510 me too
They could have made a Joey spin-off and given him an actor Nemesis who he competes with for jobs after a show got cancelled. Eventually they would become friends but they would occasionally still clash.
They should have brought Eddie , the angry roommate and make him his nemesis lol
In fact, there is a character in the first season of Joey which has the kind of character description you have given. They don't become friends, but the character comes for 4-5 episodes.
That last sentence made me think of Cobra Kai lol.
A few things I remember:
- That green screen they use behind the taxi cab to mimic driving is unbearable.
- Joey's new sycophant friend that enters in later episodes is also unbearable.
- Matt LeBlanc, who was married at the time, had an affair with his co-star. It ended his marriage and he continued with a relationship with that actress.
- "Joey" occurred in a dark time for NBC, a time that dropped them from being a leading primetime network. Conan O'Brien, who was still host of Late Night, did a song bit about how NBC was "going down the crapper" and had terrible shows in prime time. The same night he did that bit, Matt LeBlanc was a guest to promote "Joey."
I think another issue is, as with the ending of almost every sitcom, their ushers in a new era of tv. A new era of understanding, and a new era of the sitcom itself. But too many of the spin-offs try to skill live in the world of the decade that their home show lived in. Or they try to convert the spin-off into the modern day without any explanation of why/how the setup of the spinoff came to be.
You mean, a world like in Friends without mobile cellphones and laptops everywhere? Y'know, when people more talked to each other, which Friends was about in Central Perk. Also, some of Joey's shenanigans were just too far-fetched at that point in the 00s. Hence, the spin-off losing out on other more relatable alternatives, such as Two And A Half Men, or TBBT etc.
@@victorsamsung2921 yes! 😂 I wonder what the main difference was between Jody's womanizing ways, vs say, Charlie in 2 ½ Men.
@@katelynbrown98 Joey the spin-off missed the mark in that one indeed. But also Friends. Considering Joey's character was already going through this process of deconstruction towards the end of the show. Referring to his increased immaturity and inability to do anything decent, interesting or insightful after his crush on Rachel. It's as if Friends almost made it impossible for the spin-off to have been a success.
@@victorsamsung2921 oh. Yes, I can fully understand that.
@@katelynbrown98 interesting, because, I can't understand why Friends was "dumbing" Joey down towards the end of Friends in seasons 9-10. It was very unnecessary, but greed and egos overtook common sense. Concerning Joey was always a part of the Friends group, and thus, we should have seen his legitimate conclusion in the show in the series finale itself.
The problem with "Joey " is it relied on a comic relief character to hold a show on there own, Joey is a great character but a whole show based on him is abit too much the only way it would of worked is if there was guest appearances from the cast in the first 2 seasons to slowly let Joey completely go on his own
This show was so bad that I didn't even know it existed..
then yu should watch it its really funny joey is joey fck everything else
aryan NnN Joey isn’t Joey in this one ...
@@yourdad-xs8tn I liked Zack, he was actually funny.. Jimmy saved the show.
I just watched the entirety of "Friends" this past week before it gets taken off of Netflix. I don't care much for sitcoms but I actually liked it and it's one of my favorite shows. This video was really interesting. Kinda glad the show got canceled since it would ruin the original show
> before it gets taken off of Netflix
wait what you mean
pvic it’s leaving soon
may i just say, managing to watch all ten seasons of a show in a week is a feat of binge-watching.
@@pvic6959
That everything on streaming services that weren't explicitly made by said streaming service is on a finite contract.
Friends is not the property of Netflix, and appears to be the 2nd most expensive show to purchase the rights of (Netflix only has Friends because Seinfeld was deemed too expensive to begin with).
The contract ends 2020.
It's only leaving US Netflix, if you're in Europe you should be fine for now
How to do Joey correctly
Season 1 Joey is Joey
Season 2 Joey starts to display hints of depression from missing his friends in NY. Chandler is unsuccessful in arranging a visit while Phoebe always answers Joey's phone calls
Season 3 moderate depression here and there as we begin to see Joey change a little bit. Monica comes to visit for a couple of days needing a break from screaming toddlers
Season 4 Joey begins to grow up a little bit. He finds himself a steady girlfriend without things getting too serious. I mean, it's Joey after all
Season 5 Joey's romantic life becomes a little bit more serious and he lands the lead role in a promising movie. Ross and Rachel have a honeymoon pit stop in LA to see Joey. They're headed on a cruise or something idk.
Season 6 Joey finally begins to find his fame and fortune and Chandler visits to attend the premier of Joey's movie. Joey writes him a fat check from the movie advance paychecks in order to finally repay his debts, plus a little something extra. Chandler shits his pants when he sees the total
Season 7 Joey struggles to find balance between his fame and remaining the humble and grounded Joey we all love
Season 8 Joey has had a few movies to his credit now and spends Thanksgiving in NY with everybody at Chandler and Monica's house. Obviously, this is off-screen
Season 9 Joey gets married due to a humorous pregnancy scare, finding himself hell bent on not raising a bastard child like his friend Ross (who has been giving advice over the phone).
The ceremony is held in NY where Gunther serves as the caterer (Monica is far too slammed).
Season 10 Joey and his wife purchase a "second home" in NY. Everybody thinks the deal is hush hush to allow Joey an escape to privacy but, in the series finale, it is revealed that Joey's new vacation home is across the street from Chandler and Monica who are equally surprised that the new neighbor is actually Joey.
And of course, Joey becomes a dad for real.
The idea comes up for Joey's wife and children to remain in NY permanently while Joey will maintain an apartment in LA to use whenever he is working but the kids are better off attending the same private schools as Chandler and Monica's kids
Yes, I played it fast and loose with the cameos. However, this is Joey we're talking about. No matter what, he's gonna be grounded and loyal to his 5 best friends from Central Perk, and they're always going to be supportive of him.
So, Joey is a mega movie star. He does settle down to have a family as normal as possible but, he's still Joey, so he vacations in NY as often as he can where he gets to see everyone while he's there.
Love this!!!!
What a load of shite
Here's how bad Warner Bros. wants to act like "Joey" doesn't exist: It never released the second season on DVD in the U.S. I had to import my copy from Amazon Canada. (In fact, due to a shipping error, I received two copies separately, making me very likely the only non-WB person or retailer to have multiple copies of it domestically.)
I mean.. aren’t we all pretending that “Joey” doesn’t exist? I keep forgetting it was even a thing
@@claravecchi5163 It just shows what a waste of potential Joey was, including in Friends when many viewers were left with disappointment that the writers were dumbing down his character again after the ordeal with Rachel was over and *nothing* left with. If Joey did reserve a better treatment in Friends (what he should have), then the spin-off wouldn't have been necessary.
I supposed I should consider myself lucky my season 1 + 2 dvd boxes with Nordic subtitles were so easy to get a hold of, I didn't even have to go actively looking for them.
I mean, it doesn't sound so weird, it just sounds like any other soulless spin-off.
That was a worst spinoff than that 80's show
I liked Joey and that 80s show
excuse me, *what*
cinema king How?
There was a that 80s show
Wait what? The 70s Show had a spin off????
I always find this thing very strange that Joey never even said a name about his Friends 🤨
I haven't watched this show for quite a few years. But I do believe, they(Joey or his sister) mentioned Chandler at least one time in pilot and I am not sure about that, but I think he was mentioned more times and that they also mentioned Rachel. Maybe in that one episode where, his spoiled sister moved in his house for a while.
But I could be wrong.
@@lukasvokurka9224 only once 🥱
Maybe the show could have been a prequel to how Joey became who he was in Friends?
Matt LeBlanc would be too old to play Joey before Friends though
I really liked the show. I did recognize Joey as Joey in a new environment, and his detachment from his former friend felt authentic. There were definite low-points -- just as Friends. On the other hand, there were really interesting _conflicts_ and I laughed harder then on any Friends episode (which I truly love), on several occasions.
I liked Joey show, too
Loved it
This is the comment I was looking for. I loved Joey and all his relationship with his sister and nephew.
I wasn't a fan of Friends. I didn't actively hate it, but it wasn't something I'd ever go out of my way to watch. I did like Joey, however. Even went out of my way to buy it on DVD. Maybe it wasn't good to those who liked Friends because of what it wasn't. I just liked it because of what it was.
I was also looking for this type of comment...thank god i found someone who also loved this show named JOEY...
Duuuuude! I remember my friends and I were *SO EXCITED* for the spin-off, we all met up every week to watch the first few episodes together...
But by about episode 4-5ish, our viewing parties had gradually morphed into pseudo-game nights and other activities.
We just sorta “forgot” about the show in real time - and I’ve honestly never thought about it again, until stumbling across this video.😱
I didn't even know there was a spin-off series lol 🤣