I was 4 in 1961. My late mother was a college English teacher. When I was 5 years old, she said to me "Lynette, I expect you to use proper grammar each time that you speak." She taught me well. I'm thoroughly disgusted with the very poor teachers that the public and private schools have when it comes to English mechanics. I also noticed that most students don't know how to ratiocinate with other people. Why? Because the teachers don't know how to ratiocinate with other people. Too many people think that if they are loquacious, then that makes them good debaters, but that isn't true. I agree that the teachers in the 1950s and the 1960s were better than they are now.
At 11:26 Carson asks the 'beneficial to health' question, John in his confused way lets a tiny clue slip and immediately Dorothy hones in like a heat seeking missle on health and animals. DAMN she was the best at this.
Both Dorothy and Arlene where sharper than hounds - one sniff was all it took. Poor Bennett would get on a roll and get it close to 50/50 and seemed to too often to select the wrong pathway.
Yes! She played Rosie, the waitress ("Put 'er there, bub")! She even appeared on the cover of Esquire as Rosie. When Nancy died in the early '90s, I went out and bought a roll of Bounty to bawl my eyes out into!
Nancy had an extensive career on stage and in film in her younger days but is perhaps best remembered as Rhoda’s mom and for Bounty paper towels commercials - “the quicker picker upper” - a true comedic actress
This show is my go-to-bed show. In Covid-Election confusion it takes me back to a kinder-seeming, better-mannered, better-dressed time that mostly seemed to make cultural sense. It's better than drinking or tranquilizers.
Given Johnny Carson's subsequent jokes about his marital history, funny to hear him ask the first guest if he could use her services--and not get a laugh.
@@mthivier Lucille Ball gave birth to Lucie when Lucille was 40 years old. Lucille Ball gave birth to Desi Arnaz, Jr when Lucille was 41 years old. Therefore, that wasn't really unusual.
Most people know Nancy Walker as "Rhoda's" mother...a role that blew up for her in the 1970's and made her more widely known than she had ever been to the American public before. She was originally a great Broadway (and MGM) musical star, excelling in the interpretation of the works of composers Blane and Martin as well as Comden and Green.
I'm a trumpet player, so let me tell you that the question "does it require physical strength" asked the racetrack bugler should've definitely and indubitably received an affirmative answer.
I loved Nancy Walker! She and her Dad were 4'11" tall. She was in movies starting in the 40's, also Broadway actor and later in like directed some of the Rhoda, Mary Tyler Moore and Alice episodes. She was very close to Montgomery Clift.
One of my favorite scenes from "Rhoda" was about Nancy Walker's character (Ida Morgensgtern) although is not in the scene. Rhoda is talking with her father (Martin, played by Harold Gould) and he mentions that Ida used to be a model. Rhoda acts surprised. Martin asks if she thinks that her mother was too short to be a model. Rhoda replies that she was almost too short to be a mother.
I loved watching Nancy Walker play Rhoda Morgenstern's mother Ida Morgenstern in "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" and in the show "Rhoda." She was perfect. Lol.
She was also very good in a television series with Rock Hudson where the later played a police chief with a young wife. I forgot the name of that series sorry. I think she was perfect in any role she played.
Also on "Blansky's Beauties", the short-lived "Happy Days" spin off that proved that jiggle wasn't enough to make a successful TV show, at least not in 1977.
I so love the way they have theme shows on here sometimes. I don't know how much I noted this as a child. But here it is absolutely hilarious that they had a newfangled, modern-day yenta followed by the manufacturer of prefabricated doghouses - just in case. LOL.
The difference between today and 1961 is that John Daly could use the phrase "ex post facto" and have the expectation that people would understand what he was talking about!
And a couple of times in the past year or so of episodes, John used the word "supererogation" and nobody looked confused. Also, Martin used "ratiocination" a month or two before this episode. There was some surprise, but no blank looks, when he said it.
Arlene is right in implying that Carson's show should be "Whom Do You Trust?" But her next question is wrongly phrased. "Who do you think it is?" is strictly correct, not "whom" in this case. To understand this, answer the question using "he" or "him" instead of "who" or "whom": "I trust him" rather than "I trust he" so choose "whom" in the question. But in formal grammar, the nominative (subject) case is used after a linking verb like "is": most of us have heard this expressed in the first person instance as "it is I" rather than the colloquial "it is me." But the rule is valid in the third person also. Turn the question around to get the answer "I think it is he"...hence "who do you think it is?" is formally correct.
WOW...they cared and were educated about grammar ..These days I have noticed the dialogue in TV esp. full of wrong grammar and even professionals have no sense of it.....rogue nation
@gcjerryusc You're forgetting the difference between ordinary verbs and linking (copulative) verbs, which include all forms of "to be". Formally, the nominative (subject) case is used on both sides of linking verbs. So in "I can choose whomever I want for my team" "whom" is correct since it is the object of the ordinary verb "choose". But with "be" we need what is called the "predicate nominative", so "who" is correct in "I can be whoever I want to be." I hasten to add that most people today either never were taught this, or have forgotten it, and in colloquial speech we *all* say "it's me" rather than the formal "it is I." Arlene apparently fell into the common error that "only formal speakers bother with 'whom' so use it in doubtful cases if you want to sound formal"; that is not a useful rule in cases like this.
Nancy Walker was very short; I remember on McMillian And Wife the director seemed to relish scenes with them standing next to each other. I had no idea she was famous in 1961!
She made her first "splash" and became a sensation on B'way in '44. Played the cab driver in "On the Town!" Even starred in her own "modest" hit by '49, "Look Ma, I'm Dancin'!"
No - Betty Garrett was NOT the cab driver on Broadway, but was in the (arguably inferior) film. Nancy created the role years earlier. The Broadway show was a critical smash. Leonard Bernstein did the music, Betty Comden & Adolph Green, the lyrics. The film version butchered the Bernstein score. He hated it.
When the first guest signs her first name as Rose Marie Bennett chimes in with "I love you". A famous Nelson Eddy song's first line was "Oh, Rose Marie, I love you...". It was quiet but charming.
For those who are watching the series in order, the next episode is August 13. The August 6 show was pre-empted for reasons that tv.com does not specify.
@@savethetpc6406 Sadly, Dorothy looks best, or more accurately, less bad, during the mystery guest segment. OTOH putting Arlene behind a mask is a crime against nature.
I've been going through these in order and have been waiting to comment on this particular program because I was born on this day! 😄 Since my mother was likely sleeping it off, and since they usually did not have televisions in hospital rooms back then I doubt she saw this episode, but it's fun to think of what was going on in the world on one's birthday.
Always been a fan of Dorothy Kilgallen. Reading her biography isn't just insight into her life, but of "the cafe society" of the 1940's through the early '60s.
Rob Bowling I'm reading it now. It includes some interesting information but also quite a bit more than I want to know about certain aspects of her life. I'm finding it terribly gossipy/almost expos`e-ish and therefore somewhat upsetting.
It’s interesting that John always asks female contestants if they are Miss or Mrs. so he and others speak to them in that manner. But, each of the female panelists are married but always introduced with their maiden names and as Miss.
A sign of the times . We always knew the marital status of each female contestant. Nothing on the males. Reminds me how unusual it was back then for a female to be a Dr or pilot.
Cerf shows a great interest in geography. It's a bit educational for me, so I like it when he gets into that realm. I know he expresses his interest in pretty women, and at the same time expresses his affection for his pal Mr Daly. Many men are stand offish when it comes to verbalizing their liking for their friend. Usually when men like each other, they kid each other, which is a sign they like each other. It's my observation. It's the difference between men & women how they express their friendships in a different way. I think I'm making speech on psychology ?
I just checked that my eyes were not deceiving me: Bennet Cerf was smoking a pipe at 2 minutes into the video. I've seen people smoke cigars (eg. George Burns) and cigarettes (John Daly in one episode, maybe more) but I haven't seen anyone else smoke a pipe. I'm guessing he had it on the desk hidden from view for many episodes.
Confusingly, though interestingly, both Carl Strand and Carl Strandlund (who is rather more famous than Carl Strand) worked on the Quonset Hut in WWII, unless John was just making random nonsense up, which I suppose is possible. (Except Strand refers to it in various newspaper articles.) Anyway, I had a wild thought they might be the same person, but no, Strandlund died in 1974, and Mr. Strand died in 1970. Also, Strandlund was a Minnesota denizen, and an inventor of some note. So I was comprehensively wrong, yay! Before specializing in dog houses, Mr. Strand had a rather more traditional building products company. The dog houses really seem to have been a post-retirement activity; he was 80 here.
I think that the question of "physical strength or dexterity" was incorrectly answered "no"! Trumpet playing does require physical strength in the arms, hands and especially the core of body. And dexterity is certainly needed to accurately use the valves and mouth position. Not to mention mental acuity and precision to hear and play---the right notes! Reminds me of the oft-heard remark to equestrians: "You got it easy, the horse does all the work!" 😡
It's interesting how so many Jewish entertainers chose Scottish surnames to be known by professionally: Nancy Walker, Robert Q Lewis, George Burns, Kirk Douglas, John Stewart, etc.
I recall his famously wicked comment about pitching in to buy her a chin. It was only shallow and mean. Dorothy is a great example of the animation of features by character and intelligence from within creating a rare and very powerful sense of beauty. I think she brought out Sinatra's insecurities by comparison and he attacked her in a childish way. It didn't diminish her grace and elegance. She was very special.
Killgallen could be catty. When Lieber and Stoller were on she asked them when they would write real music. And when Patsy Cline was playing Radio City Music Hall she chin her column called her a hillbilly. Maybe Sinatra was just giving to her what she was dishing out.
@@zefallafez If that's true about Dorothy's comments...hmmm. Disappointing. What I read was that she wrote in her column some references to Sinatra and his famous "mob" connections. Then he turned on her.
Also because Arlene Francis was filming a movie (One, Two, Three!") in July of 1961. Johnny Carson would appear as guest panelist on the live episode which aired the week after this (28 May 1961).
The NY audience immediately recognized her, as she was a "veteran" of the stage for almost 20 yrs, and the "toast of the town" that Broadway season: She was appearing in the smash hit "Do Re Mi" with Phil Silvers. She, Carol Channing ("Show Girl"), and Julie Andrews ("Camelot") were all nominated for the Lead Actress Tony Award that year, but the winner was newcomer Elizabeth Seal ("Irma la Douce"). Yes. Nancy was a BIG star on B'way!
Doug w. - I hate to bring this up (kind of) but since you mentioned her acting like a big star, in the 60s I think it was my whole family and I drove to Tijuana and my cousin saw Nancy Walker and ran over to ask for her autograph. Well, Ms. Walker pushed her aside and ran off. We were stunned that this woman could be so cruel to a little kid. Imagine my being upset about this so many years later. But your posting reminded me of that unpleasantness.
Dorothy's hair looks great...very modern....it changes so much from show to show...the woman must have spent a lot of time at hairdressers...each show something new
@@dcasper8514 She's right. At the time, it would b presumptuous to use the first name of someone you'd just met and the distinction between Miss and Mrs. was considered important. "Ms" was about a decade in the future.
Joyce LeBaron: John and the panelists always addressed the guests by their honorific - Mr., Mrs., Miss. So he needed which to use in case the guest was female. None of the rudeness of today using one's first name so presumptuously. I hate that.
Mr. Koza was a pretty good musician; a trumpeter in various and sundry situations -- 1939 World's Fair, Ballet Russe, Victor Borge's show, a bunch of stuff (like the Ice Follies and Ringling Bros) at Madison Square Garden, and, of course, Broadway (South Pacific, Music Man, etcetc). Bugler with ridiculously long bugle at many events that need a formal opening. Had a wife and kids and died at age 93 in 2010. The Times obit sucks. This one doesn't: www.local802afm.org/2010/09/requiem-111/ Mr. Koza and his bugle: www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/206444/first-time-by-inaugural-eclipse-awards
Thanks for the Union obituary. Definitely a professional of the highest order. The racetrack gig was probably one of three or four he had going at the same time.
Ida Morgenstern!!!! (: Just loved Nancy Walker! She also directed one of the worst movies of all time: Can't Stop the Music, starring the Village People! (;
+JoePostove As someone who is a Gracie devotee, I would say absolutely not. I love Nancy Walker and enjoyed her in everything I've seen her in but don't see any physical resemblance between her and Gracie Allen. Of course, it may be that I don't see it because I've grown up watching both women and know them as distinctly different people. Someone with more objectivity might see some physical similarity which I am completely blind to.
@@christinedorman3383 I am a big fan of both Nancy and Gracie as well! I always thought Bette Midler resembled Nancy...! Those squinting, smiling eyes! Always thought Nancy could've played Bette's mom. Madelaine Khan resembled Gracie, btw.
@@lancerayburn4652 There's no way that Nancy Walker looked anything like the very nasty Bette Midler. Nancy Walker was much better looking and she was a much better entertainer. Bette Midler stinks!! 🦨
Ha ha ha... Johnny was teased & he joked about his many marriages, maybe he could have benefited from the marriage broker. It could have saved him $$$!!! 😜
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I was ten in 1961. Love this era. People had wit and class in show biz
So true and grammar...what happened ...so much degradation to now.
lotusbuds2000 They literally talk out their behinds, today.
I was 5 !!
I was 4 in 1961. My late mother was a college English teacher. When I was 5 years old, she said to me "Lynette, I expect you to use proper grammar each time that you speak." She taught me well. I'm thoroughly disgusted with the very poor teachers that the public and private schools have when it comes to English mechanics. I also noticed that most students don't know how to ratiocinate with other people. Why? Because the teachers don't know how to ratiocinate with other people. Too many people think that if they are loquacious, then that makes them good debaters, but that isn't true. I agree that the teachers in the 1950s and the 1960s were better than they are now.
I was 9. too ( until Nov)
The amount of respect the performers seem to have one to another
Yeah there’s a lack of that and that bugs me.
At 11:26 Carson asks the 'beneficial to health' question, John in his confused way lets a tiny clue slip and immediately Dorothy hones in like a heat seeking missle on health and animals. DAMN she was the best at this.
Both Dorothy and Arlene where sharper than hounds - one sniff was all it took. Poor Bennett would get on a roll and get it close to 50/50 and seemed to too often to select the wrong pathway.
@@Gumdaar1 It got to be a running joke.
John has a BIG mouth !!!
What a trip, seeing a very young Johnny Carson on the panel, as funny and charming as he always would be on The Tonight Show!
And all those familiar gestures and mannerisms in place. Over a year before the Tonight Show.
Considering Johnny's marriage history, he definitely could have used Mrs Marston's services.
Does anyone else remember Nancy Walker from the Bounty paper towel commercials?
Yes! She played Rosie, the waitress ("Put 'er there, bub")! She even appeared on the cover of Esquire as Rosie. When Nancy died in the early '90s, I went out and bought a roll of Bounty to bawl my eyes out into!
I do. Also as Rhoda's mom.
I only know her as Rhoda's mother. Never knew she was such a huge star ten years prior to that!
"It's the quicker picker-upper!"
The quicker picker upper! Of course, then she played Rhoda's mom!
Nancy was great as Sophia's sister on the Golden Girls.
And on Rhoda
@@gailsirois7175 I used to watch that every week. Great cast.
Thanks for letting us know who she was.
Nancy had an extensive career on stage and in film in her younger days but is perhaps best remembered as Rhoda’s mom and for Bounty paper towels commercials - “the quicker picker upper” - a true comedic actress
This show is my go-to-bed show. In Covid-Election confusion it takes me back to a kinder-seeming, better-mannered, better-dressed time that mostly seemed to make cultural sense. It's better than drinking or tranquilizers.
Elizabeth Bowen, you voiced what I've been thinking for some time!
I love Arlene's admiration for fellow actors and actresses.
I nominate Dorothy Kilgallen for best hairstyle she's ever coifed!
Given Johnny Carson's subsequent jokes about his marital history, funny to hear him ask the first guest if he could use her services--and not get a laugh.
Yes, had that show happened 30 years later, the crowd would have exploded in laughs!
I let go more than just a chuckle on that one, myself.
John Yang - this was probably before the public knew of Johnny's marital history (or even had much of one).
I noticed also.
Johnny Carson had a good time on this show. You could see how witty he was and soon the entire country would find out.
Arlene was about 54 here. Stunning.
Almost as absurd as Lucille Ball playing that she was pregnant at age 57 in “Yours, Mine & Ours”
Well Lucy was a late bloomer!
@@donaldmanthei1224 -Lucy was funny.
Don't like the hair though.
@@mthivier Lucille Ball gave birth to Lucie when Lucille was 40 years old. Lucille Ball gave birth to Desi Arnaz, Jr when Lucille was 41 years old. Therefore, that wasn't really unusual.
Most people know Nancy Walker as "Rhoda's" mother...a role that blew up for her in the 1970's and made her more widely known than she had ever been to the American public before. She was originally a great Broadway (and MGM) musical star, excelling in the interpretation of the works of composers Blane and Martin as well as Comden and Green.
She stole Best Foot Forward from the likes of Lucille Ball and June Allyson.
I think most people know her as the Bounty paper towel spokesperson. :)
I'm a trumpet player, so let me tell you that the question "does it require physical strength" asked the racetrack bugler should've definitely and indubitably received an affirmative answer.
Johnny's answer was great. Who gets custody of the machine.
I loved Nancy Walker! She and her Dad were 4'11" tall. She was in movies starting in the 40's, also Broadway actor and later in like directed some of the Rhoda, Mary Tyler Moore and Alice episodes. She was very close to Montgomery Clift.
Enjoyed, enjoyed and enjoyed ! :)
One of my favorite scenes from "Rhoda" was about Nancy Walker's character (Ida Morgensgtern) although is not in the scene. Rhoda is talking with her father (Martin, played by Harold Gould) and he mentions that Ida used to be a model. Rhoda acts surprised. Martin asks if she thinks that her mother was too short to be a model. Rhoda replies that she was almost too short to be a mother.
I remember
I loved watching Nancy Walker play Rhoda Morgenstern's mother Ida Morgenstern in "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" and in the show "Rhoda." She was perfect. Lol.
She was also very good in a television series with Rock Hudson where the later played a police chief with a young wife. I forgot the name of that series sorry. I think she was perfect in any role she played.
Nancy was the best part of watching "Rhoda."
@@lopa2828 McMillan and wife
Rhoda's mother! Ida! Wonderful woman!
and she worked for Rock Hudson & Susan Saint James in McMillan & Wife ...
Oh I knew her from the Bounty commercials, great woman indeed
Also on "Blansky's Beauties", the short-lived "Happy Days" spin off that proved that jiggle wasn't enough to make a successful TV show, at least not in 1977.
You have obviously never seen the movie she produced " Can't Stop The Music". Your opinion of her would slip a bit if you had.
Will G oh yes I have, actually she directed that movie. That’s what I like about her, she’s unpredictable and unorthodox.
This made my day. Awesome show.
I'm pissed off that I was alive and conscious and knew who both Nancy walker and Phil silvers were and I didn't get to see them.
I so love the way they have theme shows on here sometimes. I don't know how much I noted this as a child. But here it is absolutely hilarious that they had a newfangled, modern-day yenta followed by the manufacturer of prefabricated doghouses - just in case. LOL.
The first guest was a shadchanet, a female match maker, not a yenta. Yenta is a pejorative for gossip monger
@@stevekru6518 Thank you for pointing out my error, which would have been displeased Nancy Walker.
Nancy Walker was a fantastic MG!!
She was wonderful in "MacMillan and Wife."
"The ones indoors are for husbands"!!! :-) :-)
The difference between today and 1961 is that John Daly could use the phrase "ex post facto" and have the expectation that people would understand what he was talking about!
Joe Postove I actually saw someone use “bonafied” on a RUclips comment the other day. Even Apple autocorrect refuses to recognise it.
Paperback Only perhaps because it’s spelt “bona fide”?
@@shojinryori Yep, my point.
Paperback Only Ah, my apologies. There are so many similar examples, sadly.
And a couple of times in the past year or so of episodes, John used the word "supererogation" and nobody looked confused. Also, Martin used "ratiocination" a month or two before this episode. There was some surprise, but no blank looks, when he said it.
Johnny was a good panelist
Carson's intro of Kilgalllen -- a classic: implying that all the reporters of Journal-American are cub scouts cubs LOL
I picked up on that too. I wonder if she ever appeared on the Tonight Show
soulierinvestments they did not like each other
Love Arlene's introduction of Carson. All these years later, some people still care about using the proper grammatical case.
Gabriel Zamfirescu LOL
Arlene is right in implying that Carson's show should be "Whom Do You Trust?" But her next question is wrongly phrased. "Who do you think it is?" is strictly correct, not "whom" in this case. To understand this, answer the question using "he" or "him" instead of "who" or "whom": "I trust him" rather than "I trust he" so choose "whom" in the question. But in formal grammar, the nominative (subject) case is used after a linking verb like "is": most of us have heard this expressed in the first person instance as "it is I" rather than the colloquial "it is me." But the rule is valid in the third person also. Turn the question around to get the answer "I think it is he"...hence "who do you think it is?" is formally correct.
WOW...they cared and were educated about grammar ..These days I have noticed the dialogue in TV esp. full of wrong grammar and even professionals have no sense of it.....rogue nation
lotusbuds2000 yeah. Can you imagine any of the idiots on television today knowing the definition of the word obfuscation or nomenclature?
@gcjerryusc You're forgetting the difference between ordinary verbs and linking (copulative) verbs, which include all forms of "to be". Formally, the nominative (subject) case is used on both sides of linking verbs. So in "I can choose whomever I want for my team" "whom" is correct since it is the object of the ordinary verb "choose". But with "be" we need what is called the "predicate nominative", so "who" is correct in "I can be whoever I want to be." I hasten to add that most people today either never were taught this, or have forgotten it, and in colloquial speech we *all* say "it's me" rather than the formal "it is I." Arlene apparently fell into the common error that "only formal speakers bother with 'whom' so use it in doubtful cases if you want to sound formal"; that is not a useful rule in cases like this.
Nancy Walker was very short; I remember on McMillian And Wife the director seemed to relish scenes with them standing next to each other. I had no idea she was famous in 1961!
She made her first "splash" and became a sensation on B'way in '44. Played the cab driver in "On the Town!" Even starred in her own "modest" hit by '49, "Look Ma, I'm Dancin'!"
@@lancerayburn4652 no -- Betty Garrett was the cab driver. But Nancy Walker did sing and dance with Judy Garland and Mickey Rooney at MGM in the 1940s
She starred with Phil Silvers on Broadway in Dough Re Mi
@@preppysocks209 Nancy played the aggressive lady cabbie on Broadway in 1944. Betty Garrett played the part in the 1949 film version of "On the Town."
No - Betty Garrett was NOT the cab driver on Broadway, but was in the (arguably inferior) film. Nancy created the role years earlier. The Broadway show was a critical smash. Leonard Bernstein did the music, Betty Comden & Adolph Green, the lyrics. The film version butchered the Bernstein score. He hated it.
When the first guest signs her first name as Rose Marie Bennett chimes in with "I love you". A famous Nelson Eddy song's first line was "Oh, Rose Marie, I love you...". It was quiet but charming.
The audience members who heard it definitely laughed.
For those who are watching the series in order, the next episode is August 13. The August 6 show was pre-empted for reasons that tv.com does not specify.
13:35 Arlene (hmmm let's see what the audience reaction will be): "Maybe it's a bed for a cow"
NOW Dorothy's hair looks much better.
Agreed -- she looks really good in this episode.
druidbros She looks better with dark hair. Her face looks like she's aged a bit. She looks older.
Cute with bangs
@@savethetpc6406 Sadly, Dorothy looks best, or more accurately, less bad, during the mystery guest segment. OTOH putting Arlene behind a mask is a crime against nature.
Yes NOW it does...love it
17:43 I love that part
I've been going through these in order and have been waiting to comment on this particular program because I was born on this day! 😄 Since my mother was likely sleeping it off, and since they usually did not have televisions in hospital rooms back then I doubt she saw this episode, but it's fun to think of what was going on in the world on one's birthday.
Always been a fan of Dorothy Kilgallen. Reading her biography isn't just insight into her life, but of "the cafe society" of the 1940's through the early '60s.
Rob Bowling
I'm reading it now. It includes some interesting information but also quite a bit more than I want to know about certain aspects of her life. I'm finding it terribly gossipy/almost expos`e-ish and therefore somewhat upsetting.
I'm a fan of Dorothy's myself. She was intelligent, subtly witty and a very persistent panelist.
Lee Israel wrote a fabulous bio of Dorothy. Utterly fascinating.
@@gbrumburgh Also, Mark Shaw's book on Dorothy!
Yup. I sure do. I loved her best as Ida Morgenstern on “Rhoda”. What a wonderful character actress. RIP Mrs. Walker❤️
my grandma was 7 when this was made
nya heart My mom was a 4 days shy of her 11th bday.
My grandmother was 38, my mother was 17 and I was to be born 9 1/2 years later! Makes me feel a little old...
I was exactly 10 1/2!
I was too.
I was 5 and it was one of my favorite TV shows.
Love Nancy Waker and also What's My Line.
mrs martin is so pretty and looked like a fashion model
Ah, the wigs, the wigs !!
Nancy did a great job of disguising her voice, because I would recognize it right away
It’s interesting that John always asks female contestants if they are Miss or Mrs. so he and others speak to them in that manner. But, each of the female panelists are married but always introduced with their maiden names and as Miss.
A sign of the times . We always knew the marital status of each female contestant. Nothing on the males. Reminds me how unusual it was back then for a female to be a Dr or pilot.
@Susan Wenner. I think that they did that to make the female panelists feel younger.
The panelists were known publicly by their maiden names.
Yes I remember Nancy and the Bounty ads,
Cerf shows a great interest in geography. It's a bit educational for me, so I like it when he gets into that realm. I know he expresses his interest in pretty women, and at the same time expresses his affection for his pal Mr Daly. Many men are stand offish when it comes to verbalizing their liking for their friend. Usually when men like each other, they kid each other, which is a sign they like each other. It's my observation. It's the difference between men & women how they express their friendships in a different way. I think I'm making speech on psychology ?
Dan Celli - It's quite all right. We can all stand to learn something.
At first I thought his occupation was race track burglar. Some might agree with that characterization.
Dan Celli: we could all stand to learn something about psychology. The strangeness of the depths of the human mind!
Happy Birthday Nancy Walker🎂🍾05-10-2022
I just checked that my eyes were not deceiving me: Bennet Cerf was smoking a pipe at 2 minutes into the video. I've seen people smoke cigars (eg. George Burns) and cigarettes (John Daly in one episode, maybe more) but I haven't seen anyone else smoke a pipe. I'm guessing he had it on the desk hidden from view for many episodes.
12:11 Oh if Mr. Cerf could see Detroit now I think he would weep in despair.
Game Show must have aired this shortly after Carson's death in January, 2005. :>
Computer dating in its infancy!!
Computer dating is over 70 yrs old today!
Hal Simms does the Allstate bumper.
Ralph Paul introduces the panel.
I thought we were supposed to eschew obfuscation, but what do I. Lnow?
Are marriage bureaus still in existence or are they called dating services now? What John is describing sounds more like the latter.
shuboy05 it’s called Match.com😂
Still exist and active among minority groups like Orthodox Jews and subcontinent Indians
Some ethic groups due to their blood lines, would not want to marry too close.
Confusingly, though interestingly, both Carl Strand and Carl Strandlund (who is rather more famous than Carl Strand) worked on the Quonset Hut in WWII, unless John was just making random nonsense up, which I suppose is possible. (Except Strand refers to it in various newspaper articles.) Anyway, I had a wild thought they might be the same person, but no, Strandlund died in 1974, and Mr. Strand died in 1970. Also, Strandlund was a Minnesota denizen, and an inventor of some note. So I was comprehensively wrong, yay! Before specializing in dog houses, Mr. Strand had a rather more traditional building products company. The dog houses really seem to have been a post-retirement activity; he was 80 here.
John Daly is such a dignified gentleman, but it's hard to ignore the hair.
I think that the question of "physical strength or dexterity" was incorrectly answered "no"!
Trumpet playing does require physical strength in the arms, hands and especially the core of body.
And dexterity is certainly needed to accurately use the valves and mouth position. Not to mention mental acuity and precision to hear and play---the right notes!
Reminds me of the oft-heard remark to equestrians: "You got it easy, the horse does all the work!" 😡
It's interesting how so many Jewish entertainers chose Scottish surnames to be known by professionally: Nancy Walker, Robert Q Lewis, George Burns, Kirk Douglas, John Stewart, etc.
Nancy Walker said she was Black Irish.
"IF there is a divorce, who gets the custody of the machine?" Very underestimated joke!
Oh wow. I didn’t know Allstate has had that same slogan for decades now.
And a young Johnny Carson just as witty then . :)
They still show game shows on tv, old ones.
I love Sinatra, but he was completely off the ball about Dorothy's looks. She was a lovely woman.
I recall his famously wicked comment about pitching in to buy her a chin. It was only shallow and mean. Dorothy is a great example of the animation of features by character and intelligence from within creating a rare and very powerful sense of beauty. I think she brought out Sinatra's insecurities by comparison and he attacked her in a childish way. It didn't diminish her grace and elegance. She was very special.
Killgallen could be catty. When Lieber and Stoller were on she asked them when they would write real music. And when Patsy Cline was playing Radio City Music Hall she chin her column called her a hillbilly. Maybe Sinatra was just giving to her what she was dishing out.
@@zefallafez If that's true about Dorothy's comments...hmmm. Disappointing.
What I read was that she wrote in her column some references to Sinatra and his famous "mob" connections. Then he turned on her.
Dorothy has many good qualities, but good looks is surely not one
I do remember her from Rhoda!
"Champion of obfuscation." I always say, "Eschew obfuscation." John obviously violates that dictum.
The Palmolive lady!
And the quicker-picker-up lady !
Nope, that was Jan Miner. Nancy Walker did Bounty paper towel commercials
Dorothy always seemed to have trouble taking off her mask.
They didn't want to mess their hair.
Recorded on May 21, 1961.
yeah, it definitely wasn't a live episode. It looked "video-tappey" to me.
Also because Arlene Francis was filming a movie (One, Two, Three!") in July of 1961. Johnny Carson would appear as guest panelist on the live episode which aired the week after this (28 May 1961).
One of the earlier versions of “online” dating. Interesting.
Computer dating at its earliest!
Yes on the bounty towel love her in pillow talk
wow never knew nancy walker was a big star but she sure acted like one in this ep and ran out of there quickly.
I knew she was rather popular on Broadway, but I never would have guessed that she was an A-list household word with that kind of applause.
The NY audience immediately recognized her, as she was a "veteran" of the stage for almost 20 yrs, and the "toast of the town" that Broadway season: She was appearing in the smash hit "Do Re Mi" with Phil Silvers. She, Carol Channing ("Show Girl"), and Julie Andrews ("Camelot") were all nominated for the Lead Actress Tony Award that year, but the winner was newcomer Elizabeth Seal ("Irma la Douce"). Yes. Nancy was a BIG star on B'way!
Doug w. - I hate to bring this up (kind of) but since you mentioned her acting like a big star, in the 60s I think it was my whole family and I drove to Tijuana and my cousin saw Nancy Walker and ran over to ask for her autograph. Well, Ms. Walker pushed her aside and ran off. We were stunned that this woman could be so cruel to a little kid. Imagine my being upset about this so many years later. But your posting reminded me of that unpleasantness.
@@lancerayburn4652 ok g
Nancy Walker's dress is "modern". Five years earlier it was still the 50s Mamie Eisenhower look
Aunt Angela!!
No doubt I'm not the first to say so but the young Johnny Carson doesn't half look like George Dubyuh Bush!!
Dorothy's hair looks great...very modern....it changes so much from show to show...the woman must have spent a lot of time at hairdressers...each show something new
lotusbuds2000 WML has a make up artist, he may do her hair also.
Of all the occupations on WML, from rocket scientist to lion tamer, the job to make Dorothy look good would have been the most difficult.
He always asks the women if they're Miss or Mrs.
Joyce LeBaron. i never noticed...
@@dcasper8514 She's right. At the time, it would b presumptuous to use the first name of someone you'd just met and the distinction between Miss and Mrs. was considered important. "Ms" was about a decade in the future.
He asks the question so he knows how to address the female guest.
@@302Diane I certainly wish people these days would not be so quick to use the first name of people they don't know very well.
Joyce LeBaron: John and the panelists always addressed the guests by their honorific - Mr., Mrs., Miss. So he needed which to use in case the guest was female. None of the rudeness of today using one's first name so presumptuously. I hate that.
2:22--we have a brief glimpse of Bennett smoking a pipe, something you almost never see today and much less than cigarettes...
HEY.....Bennett smoking a pipe?? Good lad. 2:15
So my mind wasn't playing tricks on me, cause this is the first time I've ever seen him with a pipe, I thought i was imagining it
The first lady... eHarmony 1.0. Hahahaha.
Mr. Koza was a pretty good musician; a trumpeter in various and sundry situations -- 1939 World's Fair, Ballet Russe, Victor Borge's show, a bunch of stuff (like the Ice Follies and Ringling Bros) at Madison Square Garden, and, of course, Broadway (South Pacific, Music Man, etcetc). Bugler with ridiculously long bugle at many events that need a formal opening. Had a wife and kids and died at age 93 in 2010.
The Times obit sucks. This one doesn't: www.local802afm.org/2010/09/requiem-111/
Mr. Koza and his bugle: www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/206444/first-time-by-inaugural-eclipse-awards
Thanks for the Union obituary. Definitely a professional of the highest order. The racetrack gig was probably one of three or four he had going at the same time.
Yah. The obit only mentions two, but I imagine he helped out at less prestigious tracks, too.
Ida Morgenstern!!!! (: Just loved Nancy Walker! She also directed one of the worst movies of all time: Can't Stop the Music, starring the Village People! (;
McMillan & Wife/The Golden Girls
Nancy Walker was 39 here and looked 60
Johnny Carson should have availed himself of the marriage bureau company's services. Might have saved him some alimony.
The judges do not want to hear from the host.
Does Nancy Walker resemble Gracie Allen, but not as good looking? Anyone see that?
+JoePostove As someone who is a Gracie devotee, I would say absolutely not. I love Nancy Walker and enjoyed her in everything I've seen her in but don't see any physical resemblance between her and Gracie Allen. Of course, it may be that I don't see it because I've grown up watching both women and know them as distinctly different people. Someone with more objectivity might see some physical similarity which I am completely blind to.
@@christinedorman3383 I am a big fan of both Nancy and Gracie as well! I always thought Bette Midler resembled Nancy...! Those squinting, smiling eyes! Always thought Nancy could've played Bette's mom. Madelaine Khan resembled Gracie, btw.
No, Nancy Walker doesn't resemble Gracie Allen. Nancy Walker was much better looking and she was a much better comedienne.
@@lancerayburn4652 There's no way that Nancy Walker looked anything like the very nasty Bette Midler. Nancy Walker was much better looking and she was a much better entertainer. Bette Midler stinks!! 🦨
No, not really.
Rosie’s Diner
Dorothy had serious hair issues.
Boy !! John's mouth was really on fire in this episode...SHUT UP John !!!
theres johnny, already trying to figure out who gets what in a divorce! lolol
Bennett's smoking a pipe!
Ha ha ha... Johnny was teased & he joked about his many marriages, maybe he could have benefited from the marriage broker. It could have saved him $$$!!! 😜
So computer dating for Rosemarie
I really don't think this Carson fellow is gonna amount to anything.
LOL
Flushing Long Island today is 90% Chinese
So!
Interesting factoid.
@@donaldmanthei1224 Ah so.
RUNS MARRIAGE BUREAU
MAKES PREFABRICATED DOG HOUSES
RACE TRACK BUGLER
Did Arlene dis johnny? She appears arrogant at times
BIG MOUTH STRIKES AGAIN Bennett Smurf
Carson was such a nosh back then. If it weren't for the fact that I was only 4 I would have done him.
CERF LOVES HIS GEOGRAPHY. He also smokes a pipe.