Durianrider & Freelee's lies = much more than just "drama" (à-bas-le-ciel & self-policing veganism)
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- My thoughts on Durianrider's recent accusations against Eisel Mazard (à-bas-le-ciel), as well as other similar behavior from both he and Freelee.
Time Codes
0:00 - What's going on?
1:05 - Why this isn't just "drama"
3:00 - Durianrider's "apology"
5:58 - The problem with fandoms and idolizing individuals
9:16 - Just Harley being Harley
10:35 - What makes a person good or bad? Is Harley a bad guy?
13:48 - Yes, they are vegan. Does this excuse their behavior?
14:18 - An appeal to their fans (what if it were me?)
18:32 - The importance of speaking out (vegan advocacy)
20:14 - The responses from Vegan Gains & Happy Healthy Vegan
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References
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Durianrider's Threats & Allegations (in his own words)
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Durianrider's "apology"
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Eisel's "apology"
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Freelee's message to other "vegans" video
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One example of how DR handles criticism
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Durianrider on how vegan cured his self-diagnosed Crohn's disease (16-18 minutes in)
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Durian's basis for bullying always involves 1) Do they look unattractive to me? Gotta mention that 2) Do I have more viewers/subscribers than them? Okay, mention that, too.
Positively Udo he seems like a narcissist
And that's ironic coming from a guy who looks like a wrinkly ballsack in human form
I'm just tired of people excusing bad behavior in the name of veganism. Instead of coming out immediately and apologizing or clearing up the issue, everyone stayed silent. That's what I found super suspicious/disappointing. What we allow will continue, and I'm glad I spoke up because I learned that FL+DR are completely closed minded +quick to label you a hater or fake vegan JUST because you disagree with something. They don't even acknowledge the positive +continue to pride themselves in statements like "we are the most effective! We are saving the animals and the planet!" With no evidence of impact or amount of people who go vegan vs people who are turned away. I know FL gets millions of views, but millions don't go vegan. I'm just over the prideful, arrogant attitudes & I believe that if someone truly wants to help people + animals, they would not exclude or alienate people when they disagree with them. Just my opinion ...
couldn't agree more. bad behavior will always trump good. you can always do less bad to a point but doing more good goes infinitely
eisel is no 'victim'.....check out besttransformation's videos on him
This is so true! Glad to see you realized what those two are really like. It's the people that have the courage to stand up against the big guys that honestly turn people into vegans because this is the movement people want to part of. This is the honest good hearted thing I wanted to part of when I went vegan. This bullying and hateful and unrealistic goal mixed with them constantly body shaming and click baiting is so awful. I was so repulsed when I saw them posting pictures of actual people and critiquing them on IG that unfollowed them and everyone who stands for that gross behavior.
+nethadele yeah they were just whiney about how he got hate and esiel isn't.... like that doesn't effect anything
+nethadele then you are doing the exact same thing that you are accusing people of doing: excusing eisels bad behavior.....eisel is a weasel just like harley...he;s just a lot more conniving about it......Joe has made several recent videos....watch them again...if you can sit through all of them and still come here and tell me that he's simply 'butt hurt' and that eisel is an innocent victim in all this then you are simply delusional...sorry....and i am not biased....im subbed to eisel (not harley)....but eisel cannot be trusted.....he is passive aggressive, hypocritical ,manipulative and an instigator....at least with harley, we already know these things about him.....but eisel is just as bad as harley...he's playing the same game, but in a very different way.
How dare you question the Durianrider? He has clearly had every disease and ailment 'imaginable' and cured them all with 30 bananas a day. You're just a heathen of the vegan cause. Shame on you. #NotHatingJustHating
But seriously you're the most sensible vegan on YT. Btw I'm not even vegan and I'm subbed.
I'm also not vegan and subscribed to this channel.
Not a vegan, but she'll convert me soon I guess :)
Same. She's so down to earth and logical. I'm not vegan, but I like some aspects of veganism.
Celeste D
She's totally got that Morgendorffer vibe about her (which is cool).
+Murphy P Of course she did. I don't need a youtube channel to help me "feel good about being a meat eater", what a silly idea. I'm buying less animal product, and even though I'm from a culture where it's not considered food unless it's meat, I started to eat vegan meals. She made me more conscious.
If Harley can call Eisel and all others that critique him as fat/unattractive; can we then call him a 60 year old shriveled up prune?
+Amrahx damn u dumb fam
Anonymous11243 Sorry for jumping the gun. I'll delete my comment because that was wrong to say.
Anonymous11243 haha I don't know what fam is...
Genuinely I did feel bad for my comment, sometimes I type without thinking and it really is no better than what Harley does. I hope you accept my apology because it was wrong of me to have said even if you were a DR supporter :P
Harley looks good. It's called being lean.
High Carb Diabetic Ⓥ too skinny imo
One thing I fucking HATE is people that talk about concerns with health, about being healthy, and about how being healthy is the most important, but then go on talking about people's looks over and over again. I mean, you are not fat, how can they say you are fat and that is an unexcusable trait for a vegan, but then talk about health being the most important? And I know plenty of really fat vegans and they are healthy too... Even because in today's society fat could mean a number of different body types.
Because sadly a lot of so called "vegans" are just doing it to hide their eating disorders. They claim it's all about the animals but just call people fat and obsess with weight. I also think Veganism can attract a certain type of douchebag. Not saying all or most vegans are douchebags (I try my best not to) but for some it is their expedient to power
***** "Even because in today's society fat could mean a number of different body types."
When did I state being severely overweight is healthy? What I see is people that are not even fat enough for serious health consequences being called too fat and "fake vegans", because some vegans wanna promote beauty and disguise it as "health concerns".
I'm 150cm tall and 45kg, think of that what you will... maybe I am fat in your opinion. As I said, people have warped perceptions on weight.
+Blue Bomber The word is moot not mute. Continue with wilfully misconstruing the point though.
***** You weren't missing anything. That's what "wilfully misconstrued" means in the sentence I typed towards you. You took her comments out of context to make some strawman argument she never made.
I think that's a cowardly, stupid and lazy tactic.
+Blue Bomber Yes you can you took her words and purposefully turned them around. Your whole response to her was a Bad argument.
To be fair Swaize, to be fair..... he does hydrate a lot of spiders.
#savethesnails ;)
LMAOAOOOOOOO💀💀
"That spider looks dehydrated"
and don't forget helping them cross the street
+Trish Armijo loool
It's obvious that Harley has paranoid schizophrenia. He claims to have been diagnosed with it, but cured it (an incurable disorder), by simply deciding not to be schizpphrenic anymore. He definitely shows signs of it, the example I just mentioned for one.
Did you know he was also pre-diabetic? This dude had all the diseases!
+Olga Kaydanov Don't forget about the toe nail fungus.
+Olga Kaydanov didn't he also say he had IBS and chrone's ?
Also he said to had been diagnosed a pathological liar ( which is pretty obvious ). Yep, we are looking at Dr. Jeckyl & Mr. Hyde. The ridiculous amounts of fructose and sucrose they ingest seems be wrecking their brains. Nothing of which anybody intakes too much of , is good for you. It's just extreme.........
+Olga Kaydanov Not hard to believe he is diabetic, as he fucking pours an entire bag of sugar into cereal.
LOL that comment freelee made about your channel. "she uses other vegans to further her channel" the same way freelee uses meat eaters to further hers right..
'Do you even pick up snails bruh?' -Martin Luther King
"The path to freedom...is the one a snail walks." - Mahatma Gandhi
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to not save snails." - Edmund Burke
Astral Purpose Lol..." Freelee and Harley saved my life when I adopted the Raw till 4 lifestyle" - God.
nocturnalrectum hahahaha..." I'm so famous, people expect me to fix as many bikes as Durianrider" - Marilyn Manson
+nocturnalrectum Rofl 😂
You've quickly become one of my favorite vegan RUclipsrs. You're always so calm, you are straight to the point, you source things in your videos when you respond to other people out there, and you present yourself very well. You're also among the few channels that I watch every new video you put out. Keep up the fantastic work.
Well said, I feel the same.
+Vegan Feels Ⓥ well said mine too! her logic is refreshing!
That's only because she supports vivisection and eating meat. Ethical vegans DESPISE this shill whoring for Monsanto and the Meat & Dairy industries. Dumbass.
I'll be so glad when YT vegans get back to things that matter...like veganism.
yes veganism compassion for the animals that's all that matters
A-fkg-men!
So devoid of anything useful. This girl sucks hard. NOT a vegan!
+Bongo Dave Burn the Apostate!
It`s so sad that people see it as "drama" and not more serious things than that. DR is a vile human being. When as the last time that either DR or Freelee actually made videos about Veganism??? They are only is this for the money and the quasi fame.
They've made hundreds more than any other
Um are you serious? Freelee makes videos about veganism every. single. day. Literally 99.9% of her videos if not 100% have the vegan message incorporated into them. Know what you're talking about before you speak! And for DR, he rolls with the drama. Why? Because it reaches larger audiences, and it makes people find the vegan community on youtube. Even if they find it through negative drama related videos, they still find it, and it can plant a seed in their head. He may take an overly abrasive approach at times, but a lot of what he says is taken WAY the fuck out of context. It's his personality. He's dramatic. Meet him in person and you'll realize that he is one of the most real, straight to the point, no bullshit people ever. And if you're pro vegan who doesn't talk shit about himself and Freelee(which is fair enough!), he is seriously one of the kindest people you will ever meet.
***** They made me vegan and while I don't agree with everything they say when it comes to drama, they more than reinforce the connection that is needed for one to stay vegan
***** Eating meat is a trend. Not killing animals for selfish reasons is what people inherently want to do. Animal Ag is horrific and unnecessary. And Veganism is the only way we are saving our habitat, so I don't intend to quit anytime soon.
Durianrider (and then vegan gains) were the only ones willing to troll the areas on the internet most would never find veganism. Thanks to that, his hard-ass, real-as-fuck approach, and linking to actual doctors and science was what I needed to realistically consider it.
I am not currently following him as I have no need to anymore (i've found better informational sources), but I thank him for bringing me and so many others to veganism. People who would NEVER have looked at a wiaiad video or any other light non judgmental fun vegan content that would've made me perhaps try new vegan food, but miss the connection.
It is serious. I hate people refer to it as soap opera. It might have ruined somebody's reputation. Character slander is a serious thing, not all people live on RUclips where every kind of attention is "good" attention.
Freelee doesn't criticize other vegans, she slanders and goes after other vegans. Durianrider is dangerous psychotic troll and shouldn't be doing anything publicly.
Yes. It is serious. The fact that DR followers don't see it that way is completely worrying. They have personal attachment and cant see it objectively and who was wronged.
For those wondering, yes, I have seen Hannah Cloe's video. I didn't mention it because it IS drama. It's between she and Harley and is literally just he said she said at this point. I really don't understand why Eisel thought it was a good idea to upload that to his channel.
Perhaps because she showed that Harley is a sexual predator (which Harley confirmed with his tasteless response) which is what he accused Eisel of? Except, his accusations of Eisel were without any proof, which Harley even admitted several times, although most people seem to prefer to ignore that little detail.
He must have seen your comment, it's down now.
+K Van
How did she show that Harley was a sexual predator ?
All she said was that he made advances towards her.
If she was raped or even sexually assaulted, she should have said so clearly in her video, but all she did was imply a lot of things to make us think that maybe he went a bit too far, or maybe he even raped or sexually assaulted her.
+Simon FD my previous comment has disappeared, not sure why. I'm on a bit of a comment roll here, can't remember what I said where (youtube...). Will check on my pc tomorrow
i love u
This is definitely NOT the only thing that keeps me shaking my head, but how does DR even START to talk about others looks when he was sitting in videos with an almost bold head and only a few patches of hair? I really don't get him and freelee.
Also freelee was one of the first vegan youtubers I stumbled upon and I am so glad that I found you, who convinced me to go vegan. I feel like freelee and DR have such bad vibes, I would not have wanted to go vegan if those two were the only ones i got to know.
Point.
The whole situation is just consuming and sad. I came into Veganism a year ago and two of the first people I came across was Durianrider and Freelee. Their method didn't work for me but you know what? Through them, I found your channel, Dr. mcGregor, Hannah, Dr. McDougal and about 20 others I subscribe to. I converted my very sick husband who was a hard core meat eater into a "success case" for our physician that is now exploring plant based diets for other patients...
I was able to determine for myself who I thought would bring value to my education about diet and my own values. I just hate my feed constantly tied up with this situation. If I was coming into Veganism now, I doubt I would have even explored further.
I appreciate your views and opinions, you're interesting. Other on here that are extremely into this "scandal" and flooding my feed with hourly nonsense? They are gone...I hope newbies don't get off put and run away.
i totally agree, i wish i didnt have to hear about it every time freelee or harley did something dumb. im just trying to keep myself motivated and learn things along the way. the drama every two weeks or so they start to stay relevant is exhausting and honestly at this point i think people should let their channels die down and stop bringing so much attention to them...
I'm actually glad you commented on this. I know I don't comment on your videos often, but I feel like you are so smart and centered on the issues and I love that you call militant vegans like Freelee and Durian on their shit. It's nice to know that you are giving people good advice and that you are here to help weed out the nonsense. thank you so much :)
I'd totally purchase an unnatural vegan T-shirt 😉😆
Unnatural Vegan could definitely become a brand, representing one's truly compassionate, empathic nature, no judgement, just heart & logic.
+Imbra Kim well said
Agreed!! Unnatural Vegan... because science says so. Or Unnatural Vegan... Thanks Science!!
Me too! 😀
I'm totally down for buying one if there's a witty saying or picture on it.
You're SO DOWN TO EARTH!
#thankyoujesus
I just can't bring myself to care about any of this. It all seems very juvenile and unimportant. Uggh...
but you cared enough to watch UV video and comment?
My point exactly....
I watch all of Swayze's videos. I love her channel. I do think this topic is beneath her though.
Las Vegan yeah shes great : )
When you are accused of paedophilia yourself someday then you may understand why its not juvenile but malicious and dangerous. Lets hope someone speaks out for you rather than looking the other way bitching about 'drama'.
ironically enough... freelee helped me find you and you're helping me transition...
btw, i JUST put up a new vlog!
Huge thumbs up Swayze! I wish the other YTers who have kept their silence or supported DR had as big of balls as you do. The MLK quote was spot on!!
+Curdlingbubbles I just started watching the vegan cheetah when DR started all this shit with a bas le ciel. Ive heard about VC using the N word before and know that ppl called him out on it. Whatever happened after that I do not know, but I've personally never heard him say it and if I did I wouldn't support him or his channel for another second. I think most ppl would feel the same way. If he did use that word than he def needs apologize for being a total dick!
I'm not a big fan of DR, but my channel is about Star Wars. I think it would be a bit out of place. Also--I think the majority of my viewers are actually kids watching on their parents' accounts.
+Curdlingbubbles Thanks for the link. I can't believe he said that stuff, its pretty disgusting. Unsubbed...I'm not into that shit.
18-24 female here 💁🏽💁🏽💁🏽 #statisticallylikelybetch
Also you're the reason I'm still a vegan. I fell for the hype and fad diet-ness of HCLF and your "let's cut the bullshit" attitude is the reason I still refuse to consume animal products because, at the end of the day, that's what it's all about. Not just eating a shitload of bananas and talking about how thin you are. Also as an atheist the dogmatic side of veganism turns me off. Your rational approach makes it so much easier to claim veganism.
JEWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA what?
Yay! I was hoping you'd do this video. I know you didn't want to but, thank you for doing it anyway. 😃
About Freelee's comment, YOU are one of the main reasons I went vegan (probably the biggest reason but I watched a few other people go vegan then pulled the trigger). I have learned a lot about my diet from watching your channel. I don't follow RawTil4 and never will unnecessarily restrict my diet to fruit and potatoes when there are other very yummy vegan foods out there that make me feel good and comfort me at the same time. THANK YOU! :) I've watched plenty of Freelee videos and if anything, she's what kept me from becoming a vegan because it felt too hard, too restrictive, too judgmental and just not a thing I wanted to be a part of long term. THANK YOU!!! for being a vegan that puts out both sides of the equation, doesn't name call those that don't agree and just states your findings from actual research done by doctors. You are an amazing asset to the vegan community and I'm so happy I found your channel.
As an adult that's curious and what I call "Vegan Till 4" at the moment (transitioning! give me time! some days are totally vegan!) your channel really resonates with me. Thank you!
(ok unrelated but where did you get your shirt)
i watch your channel because it isn't sensational, shocking, or vulgar. and because you are able to articulate.
*Grabs the popcorn* ...But in all seriousness, I hope this drama is resolved soon because it has blown out of proportion. It's problematic & unjust when you speak up & criticize someone's advice, actions and statements but are then bombarded with accusations of being a sexual predator, secretly going to KFC, being jealous of how lean Freelee and Harley are, being a meat and dairy shill, being jealous of their monthly views.... How is that healthy for the vegan movement?! It's just petty and trivial :/
And here we are in 2021 running around our houses in a pandemic wearing shirts that say "Ugly Soy Bitch" because of you
Still wearing mine in 2024 😂
This is so great. I really applaud you for approaching kind of a touchy subject with such eloquence and grace.
I love your videos Swayse (I think that's your name!) Very impressive to see a vlog respectful towards others and also so articulate these days! I look up to you for choosing not to indulge in social media drama and rumours and gossip. It's completely unproductive and shouldn't be steering the whole community as it is. Anyways, keep up the great work. By the way, how old are you? You mention the 18-24 age group is "young" but since watching you I've assumed you're mid 20's?! Just curious!
I like Freelee and Unnatural Vegan, I like Freelee and Tana, I like Freelee and Blogilates (not that much, but I think she's very nice). Yet I will NEVER EVER understand why is she with Harley, he's so ignorant, UGH!!! I just think he is just a hypocrite. Freelee of course lies, but not all the time about everything. I don't know she is aware of it. I know I've learned any things about the industry because of her, I'm aware that she may exagerate to some degree, but I think those videos she always puts are pretty real, and keep me motivated to stay vegan. On the other hand, I think her aggresiveness is encourage more by Harley than by anyone else, really. She may love him, but I think he doesn't really care about her. I just hope the best for everyone... but Harley...
I'm quite sure Freelee knows Harley better than you do to be honest. And even if Harley is a dickhead, I don't see why you feel entitled to judge their relationship? Who are you to do that?
I have lost most respect for freelee she has lied and slandered people for a long time for her own gain. I don't find that very vegan.
***** I know, I have lost much respect for Freelee too, but I think not everything she says is a lie. I personally don't agree with EVERYTHING she says, and I'm fully awareof the lies she has said and says, but in the end, she is indeed vegan. Vegan has nothing to do with being a bad or good person, so as long as she's not eating any animals, it's good
Comparing someones personality, to being vegan is comparing apples to oranges. To say someone lying takes away from their level of veganism is reeeaaalllly ignorant. They have nothing to do with each other so I think you need to educate yourself on what veganism is. Freelee could be the biggest piece of shit, liar, manipulator and bully on the planet, but if she doesn't consume or exploit animals and animal products, than she is vegan. End of story. People need to get off of this idea that vegans have to be happy lovey dovey people all of the time - but really, people are still people and not everyone likes everyone but that doesn't change a persons "status" i guess you could say, as Vegan. ugh your comment really made me roll my eyes. Understand what veganism is before making comments like this - please.
Jennifer Martin YOU GO GIRL!!!
Good people can do bad things & bad people can do good things. DR and Freelea may have helped people go vegan, but that good deed does not excuse their bad actions.
Do you have a good video of staple vegan food or vegan food that is the most economical?
What is your opinion on Dr. Michael Greger and his page nutrition facts? Is it a good source for information. We are new to veganism and are looking for good information sources.
Swayze, You've always been honest with your journey, and I appreciate that immensely. Thank you for exposing these fools in a mature manner. I've been vegan for over a decade. There used to be very little information and no strong voices or 'leaders' online. I thought FL and DR were cool at first. I've been watching these vain narcissists for years. There used to be a great site, about 4 years ago, called '30 bananas a day sucks" with countless critiques, complaints and some really sad stories about people who's health had been affected by the raw diet- which is what FL and DR were initially promoting. DR sued the site owner, and it was taken down. This was the first case of MANY of people speaking up against them and being shut up.
They were publicly cast our from the Raw Food Festival due to their behavior and public bashing of other public vegan figures. They also first adored then turned on Doug Graham, after clearly adapting several of the 80-10-10 concepts.
When FL and DR broke up, it was because DR was on steroids and FL was against it because he was acting like a nutcase (more than usual). This was all in videos, DR was promoting being on the juice. FL left him and moved in with her mum. Their ratings plummeted, so they got back together and came up with their new scheme, called 'Raw Till 4", since the raw lifestyle was impossible (and completely unhealthy and unbalanced to follow for a long time).
There has been so much ill behavior, cruelty, ego-maniacal manipulation and malicious actions taken by the two of them against anyone opposing them over the years, both of them have changed their stories countless times, which is why they lost complete credibility to me. Not to mention- with all their fame, influence and power- why did they never open an animal sanctuary? Or start a REAL social advocacy group against animal cruelty like PETA? Because they're in this for the money, period. DR has boasted so many times about how much he makes. He 'helps' people to promote his own image, like a politician kissing babies in public. He's dangerous, a paranoid schizophrenic super troll, with a cult of unstable boys cycling away their insecurities, for a false sense of purpose and self esteem.
I hope that this attack and attempt to destroy Eisel Mazard is the last straw, and these two uneducated, cruel opportunists will finally be shut up and we can evolve into a peaceful community, fed by love and compassion, realizing that power and fame corrupt even the best of us. Cheers xoxo
Hand to God I have never in my life heard the word 'shill' until this stuff came up.
i have heard it before in my life, but i have never heard it used incorrectly so much before in my life.
youre always so CALM and RATIONAL, its truly inspiring for me! thank you x
can you tell me where you got that shirt please?
Is it just me or is Unnatural Vegan the only real person out there? I feel like everyone else has let their RUclips fame get to their heads and now nothing is really about veganism anymore😞
As far as vegans who mostly talk in their videos, yes. As far as vegans who mostly just cook & bake in their videos (hot for food, The Vegan Zombie, The Sweetest Vegan), no. I follow the latter (more so for food allergy issues and less so for veganism), and then this channel is the only channel in the former that I follow.
Thank you for this video. I am a long time vegan ( about 25 years) who started watching vegan you tubers about 1 to 2 years ago. At first I liked what I saw, but the more I watched the more I saw behavior that I feel really hurts the animals. Example after example of ineffective activism - done with very good intentions - but none the less, counterproductive. For example, an all or nothing stance. You tubers basically saying go vegan or don't bother doing anything, don't reduce consumption! Also behaviors that will make non vegans hate vegans. I am grateful to you and the Vegan Bros and a couple of others for promoting outreach that will help animals rather than hurt them. Luckily there is a vegan world outside of you tube filled with amazing activists. They give me hope for the future.
+Curdlingbubbles
So you saw one vegan who said something racist and therefore conclude that every vegan must be racist? That's ridiculous. And you're rude and offensive, while calling someone else out on that. That's hypocrisy right there :)
+Curdlingbubbles I have never watched Vegan Cheetah. However, regardless of what you think of individual vegans or what some vegans may say or do, the actual issue at hand is cruelty to animals. Cruelty to animals is wrong and should be opposed, even if some vegans are jerks.
+Temple of the Animal Souls Your kind words speak volumes about your character. Such words say more about you that they do about me. Have a nice day.
Wrong. I've NEVER seen ANY vegan make some racial comment... give some links to at least 3?! Insulting only blacks!! Give me a fucking break... if that were the case there would be tons of people just like you bitching about it and it would cut off that tubers whole channel and income. You don't like to kiss your dog? Oh no ... you beat your dog, that's right
you're a joke seriously lol it's amazing how racism can somehow be brought into EVERY situation or topic even when there is absolutely nothing going on about what the fk you're talking about. You have made yourself seem 10x more racist with your comments than I've everrrrr seen any other commenter on any vegan vid on ytube and I've watched a ridiculous amt of them. Why don't you come out from hiding and use your real name and make a vid about it and CALL OUT THESE SO CALLED RACIST VEGANS????!!! lmao expecting everyone else to do it??? You are so upset about this atrocity get off your ass and say make a vid ffs
I have no idea what's going on, I follow them but never saw anything. What video should I watch first?
i was soooo waiting for this!!
I'm glad you made a video about this
Have you considered interviewing Emily from Bite Size Vegan?
What kind of editing software do use?
This was the best video Ive watched regarding all the 'drama'. The rabbit hole ends here I guess. Love your videos
Ha! Freelee saying you arent a real vegan. What a load of crap. Your channel is AMAZING and give me a lot of factual information re carnism and veganism that allows me to speak to others around me. I love you xx
freelee is getting ridiculous, first she tells she doesn't care what approach you do, as long as you spread vegan message, and UV is spreading veganism all the time her own way
If you are not like DR or freelee, eat the same way or cycle, you are a fake vegan
where is your tshirt from?! :o
Q: I would like to ask if there is a disorder for laughing after every clause or words? If so, would you mind telling me what is the proper name for the disorder? I am trying to find a way to deal with an issue like this on youtube. It bothers me tremendously.
I've never heard of it being an issue by itself (although someone might correct me there). It's usually not that big of a deal to be honest, but if you feel like it's really bothering you then is it possible it's a result of something else? Do you have a bit of social anxiety maybe?
Maybe you are suffering from something called "pickiness." I suggest you talk to your doctor.
someone please tell me what's a shill
Kind of like a "swindler".... In this case, being paid by the meat and dairy industry to endorse their products or show interest in them!
Thank you! lol
a corporate shill, someone who is paid to endorse a product such as cigarettes
action-an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.
verb
act or work as a shill.
in vegan terms its used for someone who is accused of secretly promoting the meat and dairy industry
+endAuthority omg thank you. I have been wondering what a shill was for so long.
the world will never be 100 % vegan and I think expecting that is doing a disservice to animals. the focus needs to be on humane treatment of animals and more will naturally go vegan that way. stop hating those you disagree with. stop being extreme. be balanced and rational and use your critical thinking skills. just ranting.
Even just dramatically reducing ones consumption of animal product is a huge step in the right direction (and perhaps more practical for the average person), yet so many vegans won't even acknowledge that and are more concerned with policing other vegans.
+Christina M ..... I think it's possible. I don't think it will happen over night, but the environmental and ethical arguments could one day make the world vegan.
+Christina M exactly.
Why does it sound like you eat 'humanely slaughtered' meat? I think the world will go all vegan one day, but it will take time and we'll have to lobby a lot to get the cruelty recognized and stopped. Please don't put 'humane treatment' and 'rational and critical thinking' in the same phrase. There's nothing rational about animal slaughterhouses.
With realistic mock meat and lab grown meat yes it is possible and it is very likely our future.
Two things. 1. I just discovered your videos and I really appreciate all the research you include in them. 2. The commercial before this video was for a tree stand harness, which I found humorous in an ironic way.
love the vlog style (you were a little nervous huh? :p)! and thank you so much for speaking up about this.
I detest this whole scandal so much, basically because it's so obvious who's wrong and right. and obviously the comments Harley has made. one good thing though is it's helped me filter out the vegan youtubers I do NOT want to associate with...
I kind of feel the same way. It's just such a clear cut case, the "evidence" (or lack thereof) is so easy to access. Joe Best's reaction probably troubled me the most... I couldn't even finish the video I got so angry. I'm really over this - not because speaking up isn't important, but because I can only listen to so much stupid before I lose faith in mankind!
Agreed! I've unsubbed from so many vegan channels because it's all about 'them' and drama against others than veganism.
+Sechari +Sechari exactly. I'm not understanding how other channels are even arguing in DR'S favor at all.I just um subbd hch due to her comments on tumblr. (vegan cheetah has the links on his latest vlog post). seriously dissappinted in that...I thought she'd see everything for what it was. oh well. so long as that vegan mom, unnaturalvegan, and bite size vegan stay true (as they have and always will I'm sure) I'm good with only having three vegan youtubers to follow.
i agree, i have unsubbed from so many channels now. dr and fl a few months ago but joe best in the last few weeks hhv,mommytang, hch, and many more. im down to so few vegan you tubers, and i think it is better because veganism isnt the only thing in my life and why was i wasting so much time on so much stupid vegan content, most of which isnt even worth watching. im still subscribed to mary's test kitchen and unnatural vegan, and a few others but so many are gone, and i am glad for it!
Don't give a fuck who is "wrong" or "right" in this bullshit. It's about animals. All of these vids are about getting views, more fan and a whole load of self-righteousness. Pack of arrogant morons all of whose channels will run down after this fad has passed. All making coin off noobs who are looking for a RUclips drama.
if I hear shill one more time.. it's the most annoying argument ever
As always, great video! Thanks for always being a voice of reason. Everything aside though, I want/need to know more about your t-shirt!
Your videos are my favorite. It's like you actually take the time to THINK about what you're going to say and plan your points instead of just making emotionally charged, insulting videos (which is more than can be said for a lot of RUclipsrs) haha. I think that's very important, especially when talking about sensitive topics.
Bizarrely, not excusing his appalling behavior and due to the backlash he's getting, I'm actually developing a grain of sympathy for Harley.
Nope. Karma. Screw him.
He also just LOVES and lives on the attention like a vampire, so don't feel too terrible.
yup
I have no sympathy for that POS. A month ago He literally slammed a Dying vegan cancer patient, saying she was an evil, drug addicted, scammer lying about her diagnosis and his followers attacked her till the day she died and he showed no remorse, the only reason he's showing an inch of remorse now is because people are calling him out on his bullshit.
I dont watch anything of freelea and harley...just to negative...
I love that you time index the topics on your videos.
did he take down his apology video?
In my opinion you are the most sensible vegan appearing on youtube.
okay, now you are really pissing me off! where is the seitan recipe?
lol what
I was thinking the same thing.
looooool i swear! XD
LOL
How do I help support you?
I appreciate the time codes, more channels should do that!
It is so sick the road they went down
You are my favorite vegan RUclipsr. Thank you for restoring my faith in the vegan RUclips community with rationality and sense.
Love this. You should do more laid back blogs like this 💛
Vlogs*
Woot woot I was waiting for this!!
jeez, a-bas-le-ciel seems to have a lot of videos on you Swayze! I watched one regarding your take on anti-depressants, and his claims about you giving out "dangerous" claims, when all you were doing was telling your own story, and debunking the myth that depression is purely an effect of lifelstyle... wow. It was strange. He was pretty hostile. He hasn't allowed comments, which is always a red flag. I'm sure you are aware of all this anyway, and it's good that you aren't rising to his bait. Dissapointing, but that's youtube! You rock.
I always wondered.... when vegans say that other vegans aren't vegan... but if they still aren't eating animal products... what are they then...? Plant based? LOL.
Because I'm probably in whatever category that is... because I like to go against the stream by not telling my family members to off themselves for eating animals... rather I'm evil enough to still support them and treat them like people with flaws and feelings and not place my personal activism above them.
i say im plant based :) but technically eat a vegan diet because i don't eat dairy or meat.
Traveling Ree I just don't understand why we can't be both prohuman and proanimal.
Why can't vegans just understand that these things take time, education and investment in a new life style?
It's like if a smoker quits smoking and then starts treating their smoking friends and family members like shit and puts them down all the time and justifies it by saying their second hand smoke is killing other people. Like yeah it's true it's hurting you and the people around you. But being an asshole isn't improving anyone's situation.
Like can't you be a nonsmoker AND a decent human being at the same time?
I'm sure it's mostly caused by some people who have a sheep mindset, and the once they come to being vegan they rarely leave it
This comment is gold. Thank you!
I dropped out of their drama over a year ago since the 801010 diet gave me a xanthelsma. Their career is purely dependent on views on You Tube... when the drama stops, their income stops. The best way to silence them is to stop watching them! I love your videos as they are well researched, helpful and come from a place of betterment. Great Work! :-)
Can you please link me the video where you spoke about how freelees diet helped you with your weight obsession? It did the opposite for me but I want to see what it did for you because I really respect you
I don't think Eizel apologized and then said but. He honestly felt sorry for hurting her feelings and apologized for that (not for what he did like he would retract them but he is sorry that she is hurt). He maybe painted her as a person who cries when someone does things that she does to others constantly but I don't see them doing the same thing. Eizel was honest about apologizing, DR just tried to make this crap go away as soon as possible. Maybe I am biased at this point, I don't know any more. Need to go off youtube for a day or two.
You're hands down, my favorite vegan youtuber.
You're real, you're intelligent, and you stick to your guns.
It's hard to watch the vegans who are so in love with FBG and DR just because they "spread the vegan message". It's infuriating.
People who are supposedly spreading so much good shouldn't be involved with so much bullshit and drama.
I found your channel few days ago and I am impressed. At last I hear someone who thinks and not just following the crowd. God bless you and keep going. Thanks
Loving your videos. I'm playing them on my bluetooth speaker while I run errands around my apartment. :)
While I find Freleee and Durian and That Vegan Couple unwatchable, sadly as you pointed out, many kids do look up to them. Kids love drama and soap opera hijinks so Freleee and durian probably won't lose many subscribers, but maybe they'll try reaching a more adult demographic now that so many adults have criticized their high school nincompoopery.
In your last video someone told me á-bas was your boyfriend. clearly he isn't 😡 Also, you're killing it with the bangs, Vegan Daria 😉
what is your twitch account?
The vlog style was quite compelling!!! :)
listening to this as a non vegan, I find it funny how a vegan talking about the faults of other vegans and vegan culture makes me want to consider becoming a vegan. (now take a shot for every time I said vegan)
I am not vegan, but I love your channel and find your content fantastic!
i think it's important that people with more influence and followers speak up about issues like this. Thank you !
It really shows how much of a reflective person you are and how much aware you are about the impact of RUclipsrs on young people. The phenomenon of "othering" is something that can control masses and often creates creepy dynamics. Trying not to build an "army" or making people rally to your side blindly is a great thing you are doing. You are my favourite vegan youtuber for this particular reason. You discuss and educate without making it all about you as a person. Using facts to discuss things is way more educational than creating an unreflective fan culture. Fan-culture can be dangerous if the person who "leads" a certain group misuses that kind of power. This is what Durianrider does when he actually asks people to go ahead and beat the other guy (I really cannot spell it properly) up based on stupid allegations with no proof. And even if any of it was true, asking people to go ahead and take the law into their own heads in a violent manner still isn't okay (I know his claims are not true but I am just trying to say either way he did something that is inexcusable). We have justice systems to take care of these things. Power abuse and taking advantage of fan cultures is highly dangerous. Creating a sense where it is "us against the rest of the world" does cause people to act without thinking. Especially young people. So kudos to you for making this video and explaining the dynamics behind it.
You're the only vegan youtuber that doesn't make me roll my eyes. Thank you.
my favorite thing Freelee has done is make that recent video saying how great Harley is. he helps bugs so he is the best human alive
Apparently that video has been taken down
+K Van its still up
is that sarcasm? He's a covert narcissist... trying to seem like this hero about things to have someone/anyone say awww aren't you so sweet but truly he is seriously evil
it s extremly refreshing to see such a open and reflected mind.
After watching a lot of videos about all that drama i felt like the vegan community consists mostly out of drama hungry, egoistic childs but i guess those are just screaming the loudest.
thank you for your informative videos, i feel some kind of released now . I hope i can leave that durian ryder freelee blablabla topic behind now ty.
I just found your channel and I enjoy listening to you. You have a nice voice.
++Unnatural Vegan . . . the vegan movement (popular youtube version) is full of lies in general. You are doing a GREAT job. Thank you.
If all Vegans were like freelee, l wouldn't be vegan.
I didn't choose to become one, to hate meat eaters. l did it for the animals and the environment.
I never encourage people to go vegan, but l am encouraging them to eat less and think about where their food is coming from.
What shirt are you wearing?
Great video! The bangs look so good on you too!! :)
You are not only one of the most reasonable vegans, but one of the most reasonable RUclipsrs. I don't know who would think you're not vegan judging from your videos. Your message is 100% vegan. Sometimes the vegan community goes crazy (like the Furious Pete thing and FullyRawKristina's "angry vegans" video) so it needs to be called out, but being critical does not exclude being vegan. If anything, rational thinking supports veganism completely because it helps the planet, animals and people's health.
I like your vlog style more than your scripted videos. They're more personable.
I love your videos but find you share SO much information that I find it hard to take in. This isn't a critique, but rather personal reflection. I usually have to watch 3-5 times to get it all. You always bring about deeper thinking Swayze.
I have been subscribed to both you and Freelee for months now and I didn't even know there was "drama"