Dear AvE, your videos have kept me interested in engineering and thus lead me to my degree. You are just the best. Thanks for putting all the work you do into these videos, man!
I'm in first year HET and we just started taking little hydraulic pumps apart last week to measure the displacement and whatever, good timing for this video! Also, I think that's cool that you can flip the input shaft around in case your pump needs to be driven the other way.
Got a university report on gear pumps and was getting bored of my tutors long winded vijeos without any swearing. Glad I remembered you made a video on these!
I like the cavitation talk. Ive seen the end results of water cavitating a diesel injection pump quite a few times. They love to send steel glitter all through the fuel system as the pump detonates slowly.
Glad you mentioned cavitation. Put your hand underwater and move it from one side to the other really fast. A vacuum pocket will form behind the hand that you can easily see. There's no air in there, but it is a cavity. I have also seen the inlets being pressurized to reduce cavitation. The highest I saw was 100-PSI, and that was on a 3000-PSI system. Great vidya, my friend...
I am a mechanic for a company which specializes in truck mounted material handling loaders (primarily logs) ran completely by a gear pump mounted to an eaton pto on the underside of the truck transmission and driven by the input shaft of the transmission, typically when we see symptoms of a tired pump we only replace pumps, not disassemble and repair. This vidjayo defintely helped me understand a little more of the witchcraft that goes on inside these pumps
The ISO code on the pump body is stamped "P " for pump or "M" for motor , Motors also usually have a case drain port.it would appear someone has swapped the rotation group to change direction. You have a pump in this clip as indicated by the seals on the thrust plates ,a motor is bidirectional and the thrust seals seals are figure 8 shaped .
Put my 48 Ford 8N into a tree stump, cracking my loader pump case earlier this year. Had to self learn everything you just showed. This filled in some lingering gaps of knowledge from that day.
As someone who lives in a former colonial outpost, the easiest way to tell imperial fasteners in my garage is by the rounded heads from using metric tools on them...
Another well tested method. Eyeball the fastener, and select the tool you are absolutely certain will fit it.. if you selected metric.. it will be imperial... and if you selected imperial it will be metric. Uncanny.. works every time for me.
I never really thought about the details of a gear pump and falsely assumed that the oil goes through the middle part, but had been wondering how it would do that as the cavity is pretty small there. Doh. That the oil goes _around_ the outer diameter makes much more sense. #TIL. Your vijeos are a source of interesting information. Skookum as frick. Thanks!
never thought about it until seconds before he was explaining it, but I too assumed the flow would go through the middle. which makes absolutely no sense in retrospect
I always imagined the closing in teeth would pressurise the oil (although the oil doesn't change in volume very much at all unlike with compressed air) with some leakage but yes going around the outside makes more sense.
Moe7404. i worked industrial hydraulics for 20 years. now retired. that demo was the best that subject could EVER be done. the part about pump or motor is a point that even a lot of people that work on them dont even understand
I to work in the hydraulics industry and it does catch a lot of people out. What he stripped down was actually a pump tho because of the 2 different sized ports and the kidney plate seal only sealing off the high pressure side. Some pumps like commercial brand actually run a full seal around the shaft like a motor has but the ports are the give away.
Ist a one directon motor wich needs the sealing only on the higpressure side an a lekage flow from the bearings spots to the Tank side The actuator is labeld as a Motor also Greetings from germany
The cut out pieces on the gear side of the bearing holder only allow oil to escape back out into the side of the pump that it came from. Because the groves don't break into where the bearings are. The groves on top do look like they allow the high pressure oil into the bearings. I think this makes sense because if the oil was flowing in and out of the bearings it would not be at as high a pressure. Also I love your channel, and I wish I had lecturers like you at uni.
What drives hydraulic pump and the pump creates pressure, that pressure is determined by the circuits resistance to the flow of the oil passing through it, where that occurs determines the nominal (required) pressure, and the max or stall pressure. The resistance in the lines orifice fitting filter or valve will determine nominal pressure (the pressure that occurs in the lines when the force driving the pump meets the opposing force (friction) enough pressure builds up to either overcome the resistance or bypass the circuit through the relief valve, of the system is functioning as intended then the H/F starts to transfer the pumps mechanical input to the motor, (pressure and flow) setting the motor into motion and the fluid into the return line.
@6:50 the seal needs only one lip to seal the second seallip is for dust. The Most Motors have a leakeoil port the Port is for reversal use in this case the motor can only be used in one direction
Excellent, I have been trying to figure out why my pump wont build pressure and heats up quickly, after reversing the rotation I didn't get the excess fluid diverter in the correct orientation, works great now, thanks!!!!
I keep waiting for the day when I'm going to need something I learned here at work. I work in the wireless internet industry, so there's not many hydraulic pumps and such, but some day!
Very interesting. From the automotive mechanic side is always throught it squeezed through the middle. This makes more sense now that i see you explain it.
I was always under the impression that hydraulic motors had the same size ports on either side, so that the motor would spin the same speeds in either direction. Then hydraulic pumps normally had the larger size for suction and the smaller size for pressure, depending on the application.
Only positive displacement pumps create flow. Centrifugal pumps create pressure. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain, and this makes intuitive sense when considering the high clearance provided in most impeller pumps, and the low clearance in positive displacement pumps like gear pumps or reciprocating pumps.
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If you have access to an ultrasonic cleaner (and who doesn't)... pop in a bit of tinfoil and clean it to death.. Tiny holes will appear, caused by cavitation. Also check out -> --lmh.epfl.ch/page-57977-en.html--
That doesn't sound right - the effect should be dependent on the vapor pressure of the fluid. The bubble collapse does occur at the fluid's speed of sound, though.
@hans the speed of sound waves differs among different materials. high density materials transfer concussion waves faster than low density materials, hence the speed of sound is faster in water than it is in air. grade 4 science ftw
let's do some math, speed of sound in air 340 m/s , a pump gear diameter 25 mm (a big pump )and so 340 /(3.14 *.025) * 60 = 259 872 rpm if you divide that by 1500 rpm or 1800 rpm you find that it is around 173 ~ 144 fold just saying .
@fawzan if I'm reading this correctly I think your reasoning is flawed. you're assuming speed of sound in air, at sea level, through the gear. what's flowing through the gear is oil under negative pressure. as AvE said the oil can boil, now I'm not an inganeer or a math magician, but it stands to reason that the density inside the gear is very different from oil at 1 atmosphere of pressure. now I have been wrong once or twice, and could very well be again, but my previous point was to explain "speed of sound of a fluid".
oh and the bearing cut out bits are also to ensure there is flow of new oil past the bearings to keep them cool and lubricated. I dunno if you can get your hands on a variable displacement piston pump, but them things are pretty cool as far as pumps go. we use them in our manlifts for the drive circuit.
quick question on the backup plate for that lip seal, how exactly does it work to make that 15psi seal hold up to 3000psi? does it just add force back on the lip to keep it from folding over? the reason I'm asking is because my truck has an 87 cummins diesel engine from a Komatsu excavator and they are equipped with a rotary pump with a front lip seal. now normally that lip seal is no big deal because it's just sealing a low pressure vane pump inside the injection pump itself, and is usually only fed up to 12 psi or so. But when people go to bumping up the pumps it gets to be necessary to start upping the pressure of the fuel supply to help keep the pump supplied with fuel and keep the dynamic timing working. But upping the inlet pressure starts to leak past the seal at around 18psi. so what I'm asking is, can you send me a drawing or make a quick video of how that backup plate on the seal is keeping that much pressure in so I can some how make my truck go faster and not fill the crank case with diesel fuel? lol thanks in advance!
The seals don't seal anywhere near 3000 psi ,he's wrong about that 50 to 150 psi is considered high in a pump or motor, the rotation group of the pump directs all high pressure flow to the outlet port it's only a small amount of bypass leakage that gets to the shaft seal to lube the bearings ,heat is far bigger problem for an engine mounted pump like yours, we fit Viton shaft seals to cope with that ,I've had 30 years experience working in the commercial hydraulic industry BTW.
Absolutely. I am not any kind of engineer, and I learn a lot from his vids. He drops gold nuggets of information without even knowing it sometimes I think.
They might have explained it just as well in high school but, at the time, you no interest or little experience in the topic. That is, the teacher's ability to teach isn't that much different from AVE but you, with your age and experience, are different.
Your videos helped me fix my ingersol-rand impact now its helping me understand pto’s that i work with daily better. You got one for everything dont ya
hydraulics always give (and thereby take) more power then the size usually indicates. The same can be said for AvE's dick, but only when it's in a vice.
+Nike, Don't forget the center tooth have pressure on them. They have about half of their surface exposed to the high pressure side. So tq=S*P*lever S is surface 2*(1*1/4-1*1/8) in² P is pressure 3000psi L is the distance from the axe to the force, so 1in tq=2*(1*1/4-1*1/8)*3000*1=750 lbin= 125lbft You understand the physics, but beware of calculus error.
Those pumps are designed to wear into itself. The gears eat into the housing at break-in making its own clearance. You will always see wear in the housing. The wear is on the low pressure side. High pressure pushes toward low pressure. If the wear goes past the housing locating pins to the high pressure side it is worn out. If you replace the bearings, you reset where the gears are at in the housing and you have internal leakage. Thanks for the vid, sorry my comment is a year late.
thank you so much for your help, u taught me so much I needed to know if a pump could run either way all I have to do is flip the gears wow thanks again
After hearing you talking about pressure and flow, I wish you would do a few videos just on the basics. Kinda like what you would see in those old education film from like the 40's. Because without a doubt you're knowledgeable enough to get the info right, and I feel you would easily be able to put it all in layman terms.
Upon seeing the Craftsman wrench, I had to go into the toolbox for the crucifix and hold it up to the screen. Thoroughly shaken, I then called my Snap-On dealer for further support.
yeah and when she breaks and the guy doesn't show up for a month. fuck that! nawh any way if hes like most of us here hes probably got at least 4 11/16" wrenches. Plus the ones hes had to fuck up to change that one hose jammed up at the back to the valve body some some obscure obsolete machine.
I just see that you`ve mounted the seals directing the flow from gallery to the inlet. Maybe that is because I have an oil linking in the motor axle, once I have done quite opositte.
Great video! Could you possibly do a video of the internal workings of a hydraulic pump/motor and how it transitions between the two functions? Thanks!
Thanks man. Very in-fkn-formative. I had to replace the oil pump in my car about 20 years ago and for whatever reason I thought about gear pumps and watched your vid. Great job, good info.. Thanks again.
I learn so much useful stuff from these videos. Shortly after you cause me to develop the question "how does something that, by definition, when it is working, is always in a pressurized oil bath, come to experience failure?" you answer the question.
I wish I would have watched this 6 years ago. I now understand why a Melling oil pump for a small block Chevy has the pressure relief valve and how it controls bearing pressure and yes, it dumps into the crankcase. It contains no o-ring so the design is simpler and works for the needed pressure. KUDOS! As an aside, modern engine machining now uses plateau honing with deep scratches and a finish that is smoothed for the piston rings to seal "against" and the ring seal is the oil, not the pressure. You want no contact between the 2. This is why modern pistons rings live longer. Better seal, less emissions, more power, longer life. Rediscovered by the diesel crowd that make extremely high horsepower. Can you say RVK meter?
I actually just watch this because it's entertaining and interesting. I don't think I'll ever be using a hydraulic gear pump in my life. But I'll be damned if I don't say that I enjoy the shit out of your videos.
Great video, your ability to explain relatively complex workings is second to none. I was going to ask your option on a brand of tool the other day and bam there it was, what do you think about porter cable?
I work on PC-400 excavators. They have a dual set variable displacement piston pump. To stop cavitation they build the pump with a centrifugal primary pump on the inlet side to somewhat pressurize the oil before the piston section. I thought that was a good idea to make up for a lot of bad ideas that Komatsu has.
great video and insite... not sure if you have any info or suggestions. I tried to follow your video I have a clarke gear pump (old school that was torn apart and company is doesnt make it anymore and there I cant find any docu on it. I got pump torn apart from someone and I cant figure out what is going on cause I am not getting any pressure. Any suggestions. I can take some pics and attach them if that helps. I had to throw it away for something simple.. thanks
the plate with the seals in is teh specticle plate, and some pumps have a grub screw in them that has to be changed too when changing the rotation of the pump. Not sure why, but when i turned the rotation of a pump at work i fulled a truck gearbox up with hydrolic oil threw the pto LOL! thanks for the vid, i didnt know what the bits did on the specticle plate
Am I right in understanding that it's the load on the motor that make the motor resistance to the flow and only turns when the pressure from the pump is high enough?
This is so true, and so many people miss this, you have to have a stoppage to create pressure. The pressure is what does the work, but you need resistance. Almost exactly the way electricity works oddly enough.
Ura great teacher I understand everything in this video. the only thing I'm a little bit skeptical about it low atmospheric pressure from the inlet causing cavitation because of imploding bubbles? I can't imagine how that happens
If a person uses a reducer fitting on their pump inlet to get their existing hose fitting to work or "fit". Would you say that is NOT advisable as the goal of the inlet is to have a certain diameter to mitigate cavitation?
Hi i have a question based on the Ontario Truck and COach technician exam which im struggling with, it's "What are the final steps when rebuilding a hydraulic pump?" a) Fill with Oil and ensure rotation, b) Check endplay and ensure rotation, c) Torque pump assembly bolts and check end play, and d) Install thurst washers and torque pump assembly bolts, any help?
Dear AvE, your videos have kept me interested in engineering and thus lead me to my degree. You are just the best. Thanks for putting all the work you do into these videos, man!
Good work m8. Gratz on your degree =D
Cheers to that. Very cool you found that inspiration
Same story with me but ima machinist 🙃
Impeccable explanation! And I love how you stress the flow/pressure distinction.
I absolutely love these kind of videos. Nothing beats the hands on explaining. Please keep these up!
I'm in first year HET and we just started taking little hydraulic pumps apart last week to measure the displacement and whatever, good timing for this video! Also, I think that's cool that you can flip the input shaft around in case your pump needs to be driven the other way.
Aliminyum , ana gövdeyi ters cevirmesi gerekir , yön degişikligi için
I've never even considered engineering until i came across your channel a couple years ago. Glad you can share joy of machining with us common folk.
Got a university report on gear pumps and was getting bored of my tutors long winded vijeos without any swearing. Glad I remembered you made a video on these!
Your hydraulic videos is how I discovered you, your infrared heat gun trick is worth its weight in gold. Keep up the great info.
11/16 wrench on a metric bolt. Never change AvE...
ha..it is a crapsman wrench tho
Just 0.46mm too large, doesn´t matter that much on 12.9 bolts, they´re hard stuff.
If the Crapsman dies on it, who cares?
Wasn't a wrench it's a torque device....lol
I use 3/4 for 19mm and 5/8 for 16 all the time, call me a rebel.
it's 11/16 of the proper torque
I like the cavitation talk. Ive seen the end results of water cavitating a diesel injection pump quite a few times. They love to send steel glitter all through the fuel system as the pump detonates slowly.
Hahaha, I laughed way too hard at the click of the tourque wrench. I'm guessing you tourqued it to FT (fucking tight)
Jeff from elderly iron has the same torque wrenches...
me too lol
It took some learning growing up to stop at that click before the fastener said "Ting", and my knuckles chimed in.
FFT. That's Full Fucking Tight, for you. Any tighter and you get stripping.
GOOD-'EN-TIGHT. Yah .
Glad you mentioned cavitation. Put your hand underwater and move it from one side to the other really fast. A vacuum pocket will form behind the hand that you can easily see. There's no air in there, but it is a cavity. I have also seen the inlets being pressurized to reduce cavitation. The highest I saw was 100-PSI, and that was on a 3000-PSI system. Great vidya, my friend...
I am a mechanic for a company which specializes in truck mounted material handling loaders (primarily logs) ran completely by a gear pump mounted to an eaton pto on the underside of the truck transmission and driven by the input shaft of the transmission, typically when we see symptoms of a tired pump we only replace pumps, not disassemble and repair. This vidjayo defintely helped me understand a little more of the witchcraft that goes on inside these pumps
I learned more in 10 minutes regarding the workings of a hydraulic pump/motor than I ever did watching RUclips videos.
Just picked up a little scrap honor pump from work that I'm gonna disassemble and attempt to fix. Your videos definitely helped get me interested!
Aliminyum ana gövdede çizik varsa o pompa ölüdür , bogaz keçesi yada gözlüklerde, keçelerde problem varsa belki kurtarırsın pompanı .
The ISO code on the pump body is stamped "P " for pump or "M" for motor , Motors also usually have a case drain port.it would appear someone has swapped the rotation group to change direction. You have a pump in this clip as indicated by the seals on the thrust plates ,a motor is bidirectional and the thrust seals seals are figure 8 shaped .
You have a great deal of knowledge telling the difference between the two. You should have a RUclips channel.
@@dukeman7595 I run a hydraulic repair business.
This video given me the exact knowledge that I need to know now a days for my project. Lot of thanks for uploading such a brilliant effort.
Put my 48 Ford 8N into a tree stump, cracking my loader pump case earlier this year. Had to self learn everything you just showed. This filled in some lingering gaps of knowledge from that day.
As someone who lives in a former colonial outpost, the easiest way to tell imperial fasteners in my garage is by the rounded heads from using metric tools on them...
Another well tested method. Eyeball the fastener, and select the tool you are absolutely certain will fit it.. if you selected metric.. it will be imperial... and if you selected imperial it will be metric. Uncanny.. works every time for me.
If it's an American car either might fit, if it's a Japanese car metric tools will fit but you hands won't!
Hey... let's all switch to metric! And let's put the steering wheel on the left side as well, while we're at it!
I can’t believe that it’s almost six years since I first watched this video. It’s still great to watch now. Thanks.
I never really thought about the details of a gear pump and falsely assumed that the oil goes through the middle part, but had been wondering how it would do that as the cavity is pretty small there. Doh. That the oil goes _around_ the outer diameter makes much more sense. #TIL. Your vijeos are a source of interesting information. Skookum as frick. Thanks!
never thought about it until seconds before he was explaining it, but I too assumed the flow would go through the middle. which makes absolutely no sense in retrospect
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I always imagined the closing in teeth would pressurise the oil (although the oil doesn't change in volume very much at all unlike with compressed air) with some leakage but yes going around the outside makes more sense.
Henner Zeller
I made the same assumption
Moe7404. i worked industrial hydraulics for 20 years. now retired. that demo was the best that subject could EVER be done. the part about pump or motor is a point that even a lot of people that work on them dont even understand
I to work in the hydraulics industry and it does catch a lot of people out. What he stripped down was actually a pump tho because of the 2 different sized ports and the kidney plate seal only sealing off the high pressure side. Some pumps like commercial brand actually run a full seal around the shaft like a motor has but the ports are the give away.
Ist a one directon motor wich needs the sealing only on the higpressure side an a lekage flow from the bearings spots to the Tank side
The actuator is labeld as a Motor also
Greetings from germany
Moe Shouse I have an old backhoe and not really any power or force when I’m using the backhoe part. Would it be a bad pump?
I love how you go into detail on how to verify that it's a metric bolt and then you wail on it with an 11/16 wrench. You can't script gold like that.
Celeb reply here!! Sorry it took me 4 years to notice...
The cut out pieces on the gear side of the bearing holder only allow oil to escape back out into the side of the pump that it came from. Because the groves don't break into where the bearings are. The groves on top do look like they allow the high pressure oil into the bearings. I think this makes sense because if the oil was flowing in and out of the bearings it would not be at as high a pressure. Also I love your channel, and I wish I had lecturers like you at uni.
You're a knowledgeable man! And i'm glad to learn something new from you every video!
Hydaraulik relef valve
Relef valve experience
I was so pumped for this video
Very clear good views,explanation,and comprehensive language;as much as vocabulary,u can tell the speaker knows what’s an hydraulic component
What drives hydraulic pump and the pump creates pressure, that pressure is determined by the circuits resistance to the flow of the oil passing through it, where that occurs determines the nominal (required) pressure, and the max or stall pressure. The resistance in the lines orifice fitting filter or valve will determine nominal pressure (the pressure that occurs in the lines when the force driving the pump meets the opposing force (friction) enough pressure builds up to either overcome the resistance or bypass the circuit through the relief valve, of the system is functioning as intended then the H/F starts to transfer the pumps mechanical input to the motor, (pressure and flow) setting the motor into motion and the fluid into the return line.
I just had to rebuild one of these on my PTO for my wrecker, and damn. This knowledge is great.
@6:50 the seal needs only one lip to seal the second seallip is for dust.
The Most Motors have a leakeoil port the Port is for reversal use in this case the motor can only be used in one direction
Had to re build a couple of those last winter, i had absolutely no idea how they worked but somehow the re builds went good
Excellent, I have been trying to figure out why my pump wont build pressure and heats up quickly, after reversing the rotation I didn't get the excess fluid diverter in the correct orientation, works great now, thanks!!!!
So hydraulics are the big boy version of wimpy pneumatics? :-)
I keep waiting for the day when I'm going to need something I learned here at work. I work in the wireless internet industry, so there's not many hydraulic pumps and such, but some day!
Think you should find some vajayos that’s apply to your needs friend
Very interesting. From the automotive mechanic side is always throught it squeezed through the middle. This makes more sense now that i see you explain it.
I was always under the impression that hydraulic motors had the same size ports on either side, so that the motor would spin the same speeds in either direction. Then hydraulic pumps normally had the larger size for suction and the smaller size for pressure, depending on the application.
Only positive displacement pumps create flow. Centrifugal pumps create pressure. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain, and this makes intuitive sense when considering the high clearance provided in most impeller pumps, and the low clearance in positive displacement pumps like gear pumps or reciprocating pumps.
Do you have any examples of cavitation damage? I'd like to see what that looks like up close.
It Kinda looks like it has been sandblasted ;)
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If you google cavitation damage you will see all sorts of damage pics from props, pumps, impellers etc. It is quite a fascinating failure mode.
If you have access to an ultrasonic cleaner (and who doesn't)... pop in a bit of tinfoil and clean it to death.. Tiny holes will appear, caused by cavitation. Also check out -> --lmh.epfl.ch/page-57977-en.html--
cavitation is not from boiling, but from moving a surface in contact with the fluid faster than the speed of sound of the fluid.
That doesn't sound right - the effect should be dependent on the vapor pressure of the fluid. The bubble collapse does occur at the fluid's speed of sound, though.
+Hans the speed of sound is different in all materials.
@hans the speed of sound waves differs among different materials. high density materials transfer concussion waves faster than low density materials, hence the speed of sound is faster in water than it is in air. grade 4 science ftw
let's do some math, speed of sound in air 340 m/s , a pump gear diameter 25 mm (a big pump )and so
340 /(3.14 *.025) * 60 = 259 872 rpm
if you divide that by 1500 rpm or 1800 rpm you find that it is around 173 ~ 144 fold
just saying .
@fawzan if I'm reading this correctly I think your reasoning is flawed. you're assuming speed of sound in air, at sea level, through the gear. what's flowing through the gear is oil under negative pressure. as AvE said the oil can boil, now I'm not an inganeer or a math magician, but it stands to reason that the density inside the gear is very different from oil at 1 atmosphere of pressure. now I have been wrong once or twice, and could very well be again, but my previous point was to explain "speed of sound of a fluid".
i feel ave knows me, i do roll my own smokes and can kickstart a harley
but are you female?
was that aimed at the od female in the crowd then? didn't notice that xD
Quit smoking, roll a joint and switch to enduro (dual sport).
oh and the bearing cut out bits are also to ensure there is flow of new oil past the bearings to keep them cool and lubricated. I dunno if you can get your hands on a variable displacement piston pump, but them things are pretty cool as far as pumps go. we use them in our manlifts for the drive circuit.
Om Gosh Ave...
You have a video for everything.
What is it that you do for a living?
You're a genius.
quick question on the backup plate for that lip seal, how exactly does it work to make that 15psi seal hold up to 3000psi? does it just add force back on the lip to keep it from folding over?
the reason I'm asking is because my truck has an 87 cummins diesel engine from a Komatsu excavator and they are equipped with a rotary pump with a front lip seal. now normally that lip seal is no big deal because it's just sealing a low pressure vane pump inside the injection pump itself, and is usually only fed up to 12 psi or so. But when people go to bumping up the pumps it gets to be necessary to start upping the pressure of the fuel supply to help keep the pump supplied with fuel and keep the dynamic timing working. But upping the inlet pressure starts to leak past the seal at around 18psi.
so what I'm asking is, can you send me a drawing or make a quick video of how that backup plate on the seal is keeping that much pressure in so I can some how make my truck go faster and not fill the crank case with diesel fuel? lol
thanks in advance!
The seals don't seal anywhere near 3000 psi ,he's wrong about that 50 to 150 psi is considered high in a pump or motor, the rotation group of the pump directs all high pressure flow to the outlet port it's only a small amount of bypass leakage that gets to the shaft seal to lube the bearings ,heat is far bigger problem for an engine mounted pump like yours, we fit Viton shaft seals to cope with that ,I've had 30 years experience working in the commercial hydraulic industry BTW.
I always wondered about the IN's and OUT's of a Hydo pump.... and now I even know the in-between's.
I love how you can explain shit better in a few minutes than 3 weeks of high school ever did..
Absolutely. I am not any kind of engineer, and I learn a lot from his vids. He drops gold nuggets of information without even knowing it sometimes I think.
They might have explained it just as well in high school but, at the time, you no interest or little experience in the topic. That is, the teacher's ability to teach isn't that much different from AVE but you, with your age and experience, are different.
That's because in high school teacher are only theorists they have no idea how stuff works in real life ...
Your videos helped me fix my ingersol-rand impact now its helping me understand pto’s that i work with daily better. You got one for everything dont ya
"You're gonna have schmoo blasting in your face like last Saturday night" --AVE
Fukken pure gold buddy
I am a comp sci student with literally zero experience in anything mechanics related, yet I still enjoy the hell out of these vijayos
I love you man. I never seen such an explanation like this for gear pumps. neither in books.
Great video :) What kind of RPM are these normally run at? And how much power are we talking for a pump of this size?
+AvE surprising that such a little pump needs such a beefy motor. I thought maybe 5hp.
hydraulics always give (and thereby take) more power then the size usually indicates. The same can be said for AvE's dick, but only when it's in a vice.
+Mike Stromecki Some powerfull stuff right there! Hydraulics infected my brain. I must go into that stuff.
+Nike, Don't forget the center tooth have pressure on them. They have about half of their surface exposed to the high pressure side.
So tq=S*P*lever
S is surface 2*(1*1/4-1*1/8) in²
P is pressure 3000psi
L is the distance from the axe to the force, so 1in
tq=2*(1*1/4-1*1/8)*3000*1=750 lbin= 125lbft
You understand the physics, but beware of calculus error.
typically less than 3000rpm and under 3000 psi. you can get some that are higher pressure and rpm
Very loud and clear, thanks for sharing this information
I appreciate your clear explanation and good reasoning.you are professional. Thankyou for sharing without holding any secrets.
Those pumps are designed to wear into itself. The gears eat into the housing at break-in making its own clearance. You will always see wear in the housing. The wear is on the low pressure side. High pressure pushes toward low pressure. If the wear goes past the housing locating pins to the high pressure side it is worn out. If you replace the bearings, you reset where the gears are at in the housing and you have internal leakage. Thanks for the vid, sorry my comment is a year late.
Hello. Is it possible to buy these bearings as spare parts?
This is awesome , im taking a hydraulic design course right now so this is at a perfect time!
I was looking for a repair video on hydraulic pumps and you came up! VERY COOL! I love your videos! Thanks!
Hey man, I hope you see this. I just wanted to say I love your videos.
Very fun and educational. Some of the best entertainment on youtube.
Chooch.
he hydrulic lessons are worth the patreon, the boltr's are gravy. thx for welcoming us into your shop, sorry about the occasional riff raff
Caught myself copying your hand movements while explaining some very techy stuff to a customer. Thanks! ;-)
thank you so much for your help, u taught me so much I needed to know if a pump could run either way all I have to do is flip the gears wow thanks again
just stumbled upon this channel, 2nd video in. I knew right away this guy is smart and funny. Keep up the good work!
After hearing you talking about pressure and flow, I wish you would do a few videos just on the basics. Kinda like what you would see in those old education film from like the 40's. Because without a doubt you're knowledgeable enough to get the info right, and I feel you would easily be able to put it all in layman terms.
It's a lawnmower supercharger.
Does that mean it force-feeds grass into the blade?
Like how I put USB cords into the plugs.
"God damn it! TAKE IT!"
+Dav5id Buschhollll
I'm rarely offended by AvE's language, but I find it surprising for him to use the N-word at 0:27, almost directly after the language disclaimer!
Inwards and outwards?
it's the owtwords I'm worried aboot.
dick not nick
Totally agree, using words like inwards and outwards is totally out of place and uncalled for in a disassembly review.
N words and out words
Lmao "like last Saturday night."
Upon seeing the Craftsman wrench, I had to go into the toolbox for the crucifix and hold it up to the screen. Thoroughly shaken, I then called my Snap-On dealer for further support.
How many easy payments did that cost ya?
+Marcel LeMay Lmao! touché brother.
yeah and when she breaks and the guy doesn't show up for a month. fuck that! nawh any way if hes like most of us here hes probably got at least 4 11/16" wrenches. Plus the ones hes had to fuck up to change that one hose jammed up at the back to the valve body some some obscure obsolete machine.
some would say the real measure of a man is how many combination wrenches he has cut in half and/or welded into funky angles
Very education and accurate. This helped me to understand the K46AC transmission. Thanks
I just see that you`ve mounted the seals directing the flow from gallery to the inlet. Maybe that is because I have an oil linking in the motor axle, once I have done quite opositte.
I also got this pump and i made it into a powerful pressure washer. Thank you so much
If you have a clock wise motor, and you bought a counter clockwise pump, would it be easier to swap two wires on the motor, assuming 3 phase?
Great video! Could you possibly do a video of the internal workings of a hydraulic pump/motor and how it transitions between the two functions? Thanks!
Thanks man. Very in-fkn-formative. I had to replace the oil pump in my car about 20 years ago and for whatever reason I thought about gear pumps and watched your vid. Great job, good info.. Thanks again.
I learn so much useful stuff from these videos. Shortly after you cause me to develop the question "how does something that, by definition, when it is working, is always in a pressurized oil bath, come to experience failure?" you answer the question.
I really like the video one can understand easily
I wish I would have watched this 6 years ago. I now understand why a Melling oil pump for a small block Chevy has the pressure relief valve and how it controls bearing pressure and yes, it dumps into the crankcase. It contains no o-ring so the design is simpler and works for the needed pressure. KUDOS!
As an aside, modern engine machining now uses plateau honing with deep scratches and a finish that is smoothed for the piston rings to seal "against" and the ring seal is the oil, not the pressure. You want no contact between the 2. This is why modern pistons rings live longer. Better seal, less emissions, more power, longer life. Rediscovered by the diesel crowd that make extremely high horsepower. Can you say RVK meter?
Sir, you have a way of breaking down high end knowledge to my level. Also, I can't stop saying chooch or skookum. Thanks!
thanks for helping my hangover with your soothing video
Best explanation ever. Thank you.
i've wondered what the pressure relief valve would be like on a hydraulic system, now i know!
What a great video. Hands down #1 key takeaway is the wife underwear joke 😂
You explain things brilliantly. Any chance you could you could get to England by tomorrow and teach my auxiliary course?😩
Thank you Mr. AvE for detail explanation.
I actually just watch this because it's entertaining and interesting. I don't think I'll ever be using a hydraulic gear pump in my life. But I'll be damned if I don't say that I enjoy the shit out of your videos.
know what?youre my favorite youtuber from now on..more power to your channel.
It is really fascinating to see the inside of the gear pump!! Thanks for the video
Great video, your ability to explain relatively complex workings is second to none. I was going to ask your option on a brand of tool the other day and bam there it was, what do you think about porter cable?
shop guys are the best to work with.
As a Double E I love this channel!
I work on PC-400 excavators. They have a dual set variable displacement piston pump. To stop cavitation they build the pump with a centrifugal primary pump on the inlet side to somewhat pressurize the oil before the piston section. I thought that was a good idea to make up for a lot of bad ideas that Komatsu has.
Thanks for the explanation. Brilliant.
Such a good video, so much simple and good information I immediately paused and took notes in my notepad app.😎👍💯
+AvE I like this new frequency of video releases. Keep it up!
great video and insite... not sure if you have any info or suggestions. I tried to follow your video I have a clarke gear pump (old school that was torn apart and company is doesnt make it anymore and there I cant find any docu on it. I got pump torn apart from someone and I cant figure out what is going on cause I am not getting any pressure. Any suggestions. I can take some pics and attach them if that helps. I had to throw it away for something simple.. thanks
the plate with the seals in is teh specticle plate, and some pumps have a grub screw in them that has to be changed too when changing the rotation of the pump. Not sure why, but when i turned the rotation of a pump at work i fulled a truck gearbox up with hydrolic oil threw the pto LOL!
thanks for the vid, i didnt know what the bits did on the specticle plate
Am I right in understanding that it's the load on the motor that make the motor resistance to the flow and only turns when the pressure from the pump is high enough?
This is so true, and so many people miss this, you have to have a stoppage to create pressure. The pressure is what does the work, but you need resistance. Almost exactly the way electricity works oddly enough.
Ura great teacher I understand everything in this video.
the only thing I'm a little bit skeptical about it low atmospheric pressure from the inlet causing cavitation because of imploding bubbles? I can't imagine how that happens
One of the best I have seen. Thanks the cloud of hydraulics is lifted.
you should do one on a piston pump works, and explain how the charge pressure is created and control (Parker valve). awesome video
If a person uses a reducer fitting on their pump inlet to get their existing hose fitting to work or "fit". Would you say that is NOT advisable as the goal of the inlet is to have a certain diameter to mitigate cavitation?
Hi i have a question based on the Ontario Truck and COach technician exam which im struggling with, it's "What are the final steps when rebuilding a hydraulic pump?" a) Fill with Oil and ensure rotation, b) Check endplay and ensure rotation, c) Torque pump assembly bolts and check end play, and d) Install thurst washers and torque pump assembly bolts, any help?
A year and a half of engineering classes: the video