Agreed bro :) Although I must say, I challenge Noelle quite often, I have her Artefacts where I like them and using Whiteblind, at level 90 C6, I just love sweeping with her at 58AR
Noelle really shines in co op where you only have one character. Since she does everything it's like you still have a team of characters and she can carry weak teams through fights since she never dies.
Definitely need to find the right balance for ER Efficiency. I used Favonius Greatsword and found my Ult up 24/7 which is nice. You do miss out on damage unfortunately. She is best with 1 extra geo.
Sad but True. This makes her less valuable in timed end game content like abyss (unless you have powerful sub dps like Albedo) but she's definitely reliable
That's just wrong , with gorou and yunjin and at C6 her DPS potential is as high as xiao but unlike xiao she can swap and heals and shield and have massive AoE like him
She is a “Complete” character, but nobody wants that, because in Genshin your “Team” should act as a complete whole. But Noelle acts as a team in itself (if that makes sense)
Noelle is literally my favorite character, not only because she was the first one i pulled, but because i like every aspect of hers. Her design is beautiful, her voice actresses in all languages do a great job, her personality is just pleasant, her backstory as well, and her playstyle is so fun. I just recently got her 6th constellation, and i can finally dedicate myself to making her my main dps, she is a one woman army and i love her for it Update: i know Itto's banner ended, but when it was happening, i finally got Redhorn, so now i have THE weapon for her, poggers.
I'm surprised Noelle got an episode as to my concern, she has a descently large dedicated fanbase and her fans are quite loyal to her. I see Noelle mains left and right just like how I see Yanfei mains. I myself main Noelle tho I guess I understand her problems like any other units (energy problems, really only good at c6 or early game)
Yeah but unlike yanfei only competition for her is Itto and arguably Ningguang, also she has had like what? 6 different indirect buffs to her kit? Theres Gorou and his c6, Redhorn Stonethresher, Husk Set, Zhongli, Geo Resonance Buffs, Yunjin and her c6, Yeah overall Noelle is Very Underrated rn considering she had a lot of buffs and everyone just shrugged it off
As a triple crowned noelle player going for red horn, she feels great in comps for her but meh everywhere else. She’s convenient but has too much energy needs to justify as a flex pick.
Out of curiosity have you read her story stuff? Because Noelle is canonically so strong she had to have a special sword made because she straight up broke the other ones because they couldn't take the stress. She threw an entire burning cart into a nearby lake and then singlehandedly pulled out the cart and its cargo once extinguished. Jean and the Knights went out of their way to make sure Noelle had other things to keep her busy during the whole Stormterror incident lol
@Josh get your friendship up with her and read her story stuff, it's actually pretty funny. Wagner nearly lost his shit trying to make Noelle a claymore that wouldn't break from the force of her strikes
@@GeoSpark3070 There is a lot more plot around her. Her hangout is inspired by one punch man, when she hitted stuff to mine some rocks she caused earthquake.. she casually lifts full bookcases in library on daily basis with one hand and doesn't drop a single book to clean with another hand under them. By physical strenght only character on par with her would be maybe Shenhe, but if you include one punch man trivia i would say Noelle might far exceed everything for lolz.
@@piotrj333 Yeah one of her tidbits in her story is that Lisa dropped a book and was worried about looking decent while grabbing it, so Noelle appeared, lifted the bookshelf with one hand, balanced it on that one hand while grabbing the book, then set it back down without a single book falling out. Imagine watching Noelle just casually doing stuff like that.
Do you know what is the most sad thing about the last fact you said (jean keeping her busy). That Jean does this shit instead of... you know... scholaring Noelle or hire someone to scholar her. It is in her best interest to have good and reliable knights in her ranks. And by teaching Noelle how to knight properly she would get herself one of the best knights out there. But Jean is like Hoyovers. Keeps ignoring Noelle and people tend to blame it on Noelle that she is not worthy because that and that. While I agree that Noelle has fair share of flaws which should definitely prevent her from being Knight, fact that everyone except Noelle herself leaves this as it is, is just unreal. Why on earth would you keep individual "safe" when she just needs some nudges in right way in order to be actually a good Knight? Whole thing around no one giving two shits about Noelle's effort (no, not even Jean. She made the salute for Noelle when she saw her, but that is literally it. Everything else she does around Noelle is just ignorance and outright disrespect, change my mind) is so unbelievably inconsistent and unreal.
Noelle main here; Excited to see what you have to say! She’s certainly got some solid attributes, but the fact that she’s a main DPS four star really does hold her back at times. Still love my little combat maid though! Edit: Great video! I think one thing it would have been good to address in great detail is why exactly Noelle basically is forced to be a main to be a main DPS rather than support. I’ve seen so many people argue that Noelle is a great healer and shielder, but they seem to fail to realize that these traits are only at the best when Noelle is on the field and swinging as much as possible (appropriate for a maid who does everything herself, I might add). If you are using Noelle JUST for her shields, use Diona or Zhongli instead. For heals, just use Barbara or Koko.
As a Noelle Enjoyer myself. C6 Triple Crown Redhorn R1(for now) Attc:1,150 Def: 2,034 Crt: 58% Crit Dmg: 244% On my Team comp. She's my main DPS healer Shielder (even if I have Geo dad) For me the Cooldown is the only thing stopping her from being a totally broken character.
I get that this series is from the perspective of a veteran whale, but Noelle was a life saver in the early to mid game. She deals ok damage but can take a beating while healing the rest of your team. A very useful character to have for newer f2p players, especially when trying to kill the bosses. I can't picture trying to kill the Primo Geovishap earlier in the game without her.
Oh god yes, heck even geo cube with her claymore and shield was amazing. Some people in coop were confused why I brought a geo character to the boss. I didn't even use her burst, just Normal Attacks and shield. Neglected for too long. Now that I'm farming friendship for her..rekindled my love for the maid and wanna build her after I finish raising my sucrose to 80/90. She has ok hush/maiden artifacts. Just need to level them while I raise her to 80/90
From a Noelle main. She's the best character early game, worst character mid game and great character good game. Can be even stronger depend on future sub dps , like Yelan.
@@cynt4416 Mind elaborate How's She being the worst at mid game? Literally mid to end game are the same (Post AR 50) which is artifacts grind fest. If She is being worst due to artifact, then basically every character is the worst at that same point. If She is being worst due to the fact she requires C6 to be a Main DPS, then that also invalid. Because She is already good before C6. And C6 made Her better by turning Her into a true All Rounder unit. Also, stuff about "X will be better depending on future support unit" Applies to literally Every Character. Unless said "future unit" Is specifically made for certain character/element (like Sara, Garou, Yunjin, and/or enabler)
@@zadokutah2315 because most other character being better at the same low cons, and good at hyper carry team where you just need to buff one single character to deal damage for the whole team. And Id like to see how can Itto, Xiao team be better in the forseenable future. Noelle team got 3 slot, 3 chance to be improve thank to being also a healer herself. And can accomodate any kind of rotation thank to the ability to switch mid Q. Itto cant even reset Gorou buff after 10 second
Honestly surprised I didn’t hear a portion of the video dedicated to what I consider to be her worst flaw (as someone who has dedicated time and resources into make Noelle one pf the best dmg dealers): Her Energy. Noelle has literally everything you want in a character, but her particle generation is non existent outside of burst mode. She needs to be paired with another Geo Battery in order to properly keep her burst up. Besides that, she has proven to be incredible
I have to agree. I invested for a no-downtime build on her and it was quite the investment. It could be a deal breaker if she ends her Q without energy to spare
I think that is a general content creator problem. A lot of CC (not TC or people who are close to TC) just assume you get the Burst without knowing what the character needs to get the Burst back. "ER doesn't give higher numbers so it can't be a damage increase". That's what i think a lot of CC think. They don't look at ER. They sometimes know that a character has enegy issues but they don't really care about it. Because ER/batteries doesn't give more damage. And jf they jsut use Raiden as battery. Maybe I'm too pessimistic.
@@MrPsychopathy But DPS is damage per second. And for good DPS you need good up time on your burst. But as i said: Some CC don't look at them and assume you get them on cooldown.
@@detlefswelt4546 She is definitely not among the best damage dealers, but she is amazing for coop because of her utility. She does decent damage, around 30k per swing, heals, gives shields, and is practically unkillable. She's often the last one standing, and can carry the whole team.
@@Suzumi-kun Yes and that's why I'm never treating her as a healer when I'm on the battle field, just ignore the fact she's healing herself and the team and keep fighting.
To be honest, not only would I excuse the high level of investment needed for Noelle, I would actually defend it as a unique way of incorporating character lore into gameplay. you mentioned before at about 2:42 you mention she has the near super natural ability to be anywhere at once. when you do her hangout event, she mentions that she does the One Punch Man routine (100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 squats, and "running two laps around Mondstadt"). She isn't everywhere because she can teleport like Xiao or something. she has to physically run to every place she needs to be, whether it's on the streets of Mondstadt, the halls of the knights of Favonius HQ, or even somewhere outside the city. not to mention that she'll go at the drop of a hat, too. There's a story about how Noelle saved someone from Dragonspine, but ending up getting bedridden with a high fever for 3 days straight, as well as Kaeya having to find any and everything to keep her from going after D'valin during the Stormterror Incident. Noelle is incredibly and admirably devoted to her work, and has amazing potential at the end of that road. Much like in her backstory and character, if the player works hard enough grinding for levels, talent books, artifacts, weapons, etc., they too can unlock that potential. I current have a c6 triple crowned Noelle with pretty good artifacts, and recently I got Redhorn for her (thank fucking god). I also got Skyward Harp just before Itto's banner, so I was trying to level both 5* weapons up. Even with a level 50 weapon, Noelle, with max stacks on Husk and buffs from teammates like Gorou, Yun Jin, and 4pc Noblesse buff, still hits for 20K per swing. Remember, the worst characters are the ones you never build. I can state confidently from experience that Noelle is VERY worth trying out, especially if you have any Def% pieces or spare claymore billets lying around. (i'm sorry that i'm not at all sorry about the 20 page essay of a comment. i just thought the connection between lore and gameplay was very interestingly done, even if it backfired and turned people away from her)
imo even Itto requires some real investement to compete with other dps and the reason isn't his numbers or his kit, but his element. not having access to reactions is really a big struggle you can solve only with perfect artifacts and good weapons.
@@skell6134 which brings me back to what i wrote before, to make good sheer dmg you need great artifacts and weapons try giving 60 crit rate and 130 crit dmg to Itto like the standard Raiden build in a national team and tell me if he can make a dmg comparable to Xianli- er I mean Raiden
@@ayakoha The point is that Raiden can cover weakness of Geo not being able to make reactions,they can just use Raiden's E for that instead Its not that hard to find usable artifacts for Geo DEF characters
@@skell6134 it's just a tiny buff, no better than Zhongli shred or Gorou or Albedo's dmg, no one really runs Raiden with Itto, it's a waste of Raiden's potential and she just steals precious field-time that should go to Itto himself. You're better running Bennet instead
One word on Noelle’s huge issue: SHE CANT REGENERATE ENERGY, LIKE SERIOUSLY! HOYOVERSE, SHE CAN HEAL, SHE CAN SHEILD, SHE CAN SUPPORT, SHE CAN DPS, WHY NOT LET HER GENERATE ENERGY OMG 😭😭😭😭😭😭!!!
Yeah it's pretty easy to 36* the Abyss with just those two on a team for one side. I just add Zhongli for the resistance shred and that bonus from Gorou's C6. The 4th slot can be anyone. If I have Morgana on one side I'll put Raiden in that slot. Otherwise a nice CC user like Sucrose or Kazuha works just well. I actually prefer Sucrose for TTDS.
Yeah, like I didn't even farm for husk, just gave her Serpent Spine and 4 pc glad. She carries 1 side of the abyss and 3 stars all the opponents there easily. Which is why I can't ever get Itto. The claim that Itto does more damage may be true.. but by how much really? And getting Itto would also mean I would need a healer. so...
Honestly, i just like how Noelle is a simple character to understand. It like: “Here is a character with a shield that can heal and a big powerful sword that takes some time to charge, but can do decent damage”. It is a lot easier than trying to set up the perfect elemental reaction.
I'd argue Noelle is one of the best designed characters in the game. Yes, she's not a broken meta character, but she doesn't need to be. She's designed to be a crutch character for new players, offering shields, healing, and overworld utility since she's a claymore user. Even in lategame with her high HP and DEF she's still a brick wall that can carry players through any non-timed content via sheer survivability. She's not part of 36 star spiral abyss meta comps, but she does a great job as an anchor character casual players can always rely on.
I think it's not true. New players don't have the tools to recharge Noelle's ult, as she generates no energy and new players don't have many good artefacts, Favonius weapons or other Geo characters. If Noelle doesn't ult, F. In the healing department, new players got Bárbara, a hydro character. She'd be perfectly designed if she generated energy, a bit at least.
@@Huvale Your argument would be true if wasn't for. 1: The overworld give more then enough energy for all of the early game characters. 2: The early overworld was so easy you could just beat it with the blue weapon you can pick up off chest and +0 of whatever artifacts set and stats. The overworld only become a problem when AR45 because all enemy is level 80 above. 3: Noelle heal come from her elemental skill and not burst. 4: People aren't braindead.
@@Aibadenshi Well, let's see... The overworld gives many energy and enemies die rapidly. OK, TRUE, so then what's the point on using Noelle? If enemies die rapidly, the healing is not really that needed, but even if it was, she can't heal if she does not attack, but as it's so easy, you might kill the enemies so fast that the healing is conditional and inconsistent (50% chance while she shielded). Barbara is free too and she heals unconditionally, no need for energy or attacking, and more or less the same cd (thinking that Noelle does not have the second passive which reduces the cd of her shield, because we're in early game), but she's off field, and hydro, which can help you with many pyro enemies in the overworld and the hydro element itself is incredibly good. You could think Noelle is helpful with ores and enemies with geo shields. Well, most times is possible to plunge attack to get the ores and overcharge for the geo shields, but yes, in that case Noelle's really useful, that's true. And also, if enemies are weak, then you'd just kill them fast with any char, so I don't see why is SPECIFICALLY Noelle good for starters following your reasoning. She offers low damage, low healing (even though it might not be needed), low shield duration and she ain't that useful in the open world... I think you'd lose more time using her instead of another char in battle and change to her when there are ores around. Just my opinion, tho. PDD: What I meant with the thing that if Noelle does not ult, F, was that, if she doesn't ult, she has no damage at all and she'd be even more uncomfy to use, I wasn't refering to the healing. And please, sorry if i sounded hard or unrespectful, it was not my intention, English is not my mother tongue so I'm trying to figure out how to express myself.
@@Huvale because you just cannot kill Noelle, ever. You can definitely kill barbra, she can be interrupted and 100-0 in a combo much more easily than Noelle. Noelle can only reasonably be killed if enemies makes an huge combo in the few second her shield is down, or in very edge cases. And on top of that, she ia the one shielder that can tank rifthound efdortlessly. She won't kill things fast, but she can beat things that are too dangeroua for evwrt other character. Things like the Inazuma powerspike or WR increases are much less lethal if you have even just a moderately built Noelle that can outlast everything.
@@noukan42 Wait, wait, wait. No, if a Barbara can be one shot, it's not well built, she scales of her HP, she should have a lot, even if her def is not high, should survive... Also, Barbara is used 2s in a rotation, so if she gets interrupted, it's because the player is not switching correctly... If you talk about frozen state, OK, it's a pass, Barbara is uncomfy in that case. If you use her as a enabler, it'd be more uncomfy, true, but generally you don't. About rifthounds, you need a very well invested Noelle to heal your party and is still VERY inconsistent, as the wolves move erratically, and you're bound not to hit many attacks with Noelle... I disagree, Barbara would still be more useful against those monsters. Another thing, I'm not really sure about this, but is considered Inazuma early game or early-mid? I don't know, as I was already AR 55 or so when Inazuma came out. I'd say Inazuma is mid game or mid-late, not early. And also, is highly likely that by that point you have already got better characters to cover the healer or shielder role... I still think Noelle would just delay your progress in most cases.
Objectively, Noelle right now is the only "Real" tank in the game right now to me. Yes. There are other shielder that can consider to be a tank, but most of their utilities is just cast shield and make everyone the tank while Noelle shield is most effective and tankyest when it on her and not others character (besides from A1 passive) making her primary shield a very selfish one since the majority of it toughest come from Noelle own Def scaling, one is increasing it health with Def and others one is reducing DMG taking with said Def stats.
I agree 100% This rings especially when considering that her defensive capabilities are maximized only when she is on-field since that's when she heals and she can also maintain better uptime with on her shield. I'm yet to see a character as flexible as Noelle since she can run with only buffers and sub-dps as she negates the need for a healer and on-field dps
Tank is a hard word to use since Genshin doesn't have a solid aggro system (especially because is a singleplayer one character active at time game for most parts), I personally like to use the word Defender to refer to defensive focused character, I use it in Genshin and Warframe as well.
i feel like kokomi could also be considered a tank in burst mode when i fight azhdaha and he enters the element absorption phase, i don't even dodge and i haven't died once
Just to add to your point my Noelle is level 60... And she is still cabable of surviving level 90 enemies... Just goes to show how strong her shield really is.
@@emiki6 Yes, I did get her in the shop this month.and now she's a potential sub-dps on top of everything else! I'm leveling up her talents now. I've got her at Lv 9/11/11 with 21k HP, 1300 ATK and 3k DEF.
As someone who plays noelle I think she’s really balanced rn in genshin - she is a viable character for those that want to main her and is relatively easy to build. At the same time she’s not must-pull for broken character nor is universally versatile and a must-build character. And her character design is rlly nice.
Yea I like that she is balanced and not useless like Xinyan, but sadly in gacha game like Genshin being balanced is not good enough since you have to compete with broken character and most people would always use the most efficient character first. Noelle main are Noelle main because we love her and not because she is broken like Ganyu or Kazuha
@@LawrenceVengeance she is useless, her buff is not worth the time and effort to use especially cuz of her element is at odds with superconduct, she also take up precious spot. Eula aside, Razor is not a top tier character so he need all of the advantage to beat abyss so adding mediocre teammate is not an option. Rosaria or Kaeya is much more beneficial. Then the rest is healer/shielder/sub dps and yes she could do that role but not well. Her shield and sub DPS suck so using her as a support is more of a waifu reason than any practical use. Xinyan C6 is not the worst as she deal an okay damage with her charge attack but that's about it. She is like Qiqi where there is always a better option in every scenario Noelle is in similar position on 1.1 but Geo receive so many buff and element specific character buffer like Gorou, she is also compatible with Yunjin as well as a new Husk and Redhorn. She basically receive 5 times buff since release making her comparable to a 5 star DPS at C6 despite able to be a tank and healer (unfortunately a lot of team can beat abyss without healer so her advantage is kinda useless). But that take so much resource that most people can't reach that point but at least there is possibility while Xinyan and Qiqi is just nope.
@@LawrenceVengeance Xinyan isn't useless, she just needs a ton of investment and can't use superconduct. You need the Redhorn for her , and a double geo double pyro teamcomp with Bennett and Yunjin. Between the two, Noelle is of course better but Noelle is also extremely underrated in a game state where Redhorn, Husk and Gorou all exist.
@Waveshocker Sigma Xinyan's shield pulse and multi pyro hit burst cleanse enemies of cryo/electro auras, you need something like... idk, Yae and Kaeya to keep it going but it's very scuffed compared to just using Bennett, Yunjin and Zhongli.
After more than 3 years, Noelle will finally get a sticker ingame. She was the only character before 4.2 without a sticker while still being in the game from the very beginning. She might be loved by Hoyo by being the only 4* character with 2 hangouts but she never appeared in any events as a key character till 4.1
It's interesting to see that I've seen every character discussed in this series played at least a dozen times in co-op, but I've never seen a sayu main (besides me) in co-op! It would be cool if you did a video on her :O
I really liked Sayu kit, but never even tried to build her. Talking about anemo Sucrose and Venti have me covered for most of the time. And for healing Barbara is my favorite, Kokomi, Bennett and Diona are also options that I use a lot. I had Jean since mid game, use her for a while, but never really enjoyed playing with her, so when Sayu came out and over the time I just coudn't get the energy to build her. Kuki will come out soon, and since the begging of the game I have been waitng for a electro healer, so she already gets a extra point for me.
There is one advantage to Noelle you didn't mention: she's one of the few characters in the game that actually maintains her burst/infusion when switching out. This is something that not even Itto can do, which makes her much easier to use and switch to other characters if needed. Although I actually own both Noelle and Itto, I tend to prefer using the former. She's significantly simpler in design compared to Itto, which means spending a lot less brainpower and energy during combat when you don't really feel like it. Compared to Noelle, Itto has to manage stacks and can't switch out of burst, which are concerns not present for Noelle. Her healing and shield also make her very self-sustaining
Itto is geo xiao or geo raiden. He is supposed to be a hypercarry unit dealing most of damage by himself hence his screentime can't be interrupted. But u forgot itto can regenerates particles on burst mode, one of the aspects that make his 70 burst cost forgiving and don't rely too much on batteries unlike noelle. Her burst mechanics is a way of batterying her.
@@ladyofawesome8572 Technically yes, practically no. Every abyss cycle lately has had rifthounds somewhere and as long as we don't have shield HP bars or skill timers, relying on them is unreliable...
Being a free2player, I've found Noelle to be very useful, but I do see why this video is helpful. I've learned the challenging way, that she certainly needs to be built, and have invested a lot in her. Not disappointed either, since I just started playing the game about 3 months ago. Also, I have no 5 stars and not really many people to compare, so that may be a thing as well.
Trust me mate, you will NEVER regret investing in her!!! I’ve been playing literally since Genshin dropped, and Noelle is the ONE character I would NEVER part with! For 80% or more of my Abyss runs I have Zongli on one team and Noelle on the other. They are almost-permanent fixtures. And I don’t see that likely to ever change. Noelle is one of those characters that just keeps improving as the meta and the game evolves and matures, and as you slowly but surely continue to invest in or tweak her build.
I've also just only began playing the game 3 months ago. Noelle main here at C3. Never regretted investing in her. Since I don't plan to whale, she's a blessing to have.
@@eve6875 I’m constantly floored by how highly people rate Diona and then they rate Noelle on the opposite end of the scale for doing essentially all the same things only better! Annnnd… Outside of a shield-only build, Noelle’s shield can out-tank Zhongli’s with the only downside in comparison being it’s uptime. And of course Zhongli doesn’t typically heal. Again: Noelle happens to be one of the best built characters in the whole game - the complete, rounded package… And I find her to be absolutely must-have!
@@Menageryl I agree. The heal that comes with it is the nice touch. Leaves space for adding in another DPS as opposed to carrying someone like Barbara to heal in the worst situations (no offense to the Barbara mains, but it's impractical for me). Plus it creates a second shield when you cast it near another element. For example, near a fire source. It takes that element and makes a second bubble within the first Breastplate shield. Is no one going to mention this? xDD
She is no doubt the best f2p dps in genshin.....ive been playing for less than a month and im at AR 37 comfortable with enough resources and no issue with any enemy or boss....all thanks to noelle
I think she's one of the characters that has been the most indirectly buffed since release. There was 1.2 with Albedo (probably the best battery for her), 1.3 with geo resonance and Zhongli buffs, the Itto patch (Gorou, Redhorn, Husk), and also Yunjin. She went from among the worst characters to a very very solid dps. Still agree with most of your points though. EDIT: Also would you be interested in doing Kaeya? I main him and would be interested in seeing what makes him worse than the other 4-star cryo supports (Diona, Rosaria).
As a Noelle main, I've really enjoyed using her throughout the whole game. I was lucky enough to get her c6 fairly early on so she was very useful until I was able to build more characters and optimize team comps and artifacts. While now I still enjoy using Noelle, once you have another character like Ganyu or Eula, using Noelle again feels like a handicap almost. This hasn't stopped me from triple crowning Noelle though lol
I want her c6 because I like her, but Hoyo always puts her on banners with 5* I don't want to pull. :(( I have her c4 for now, although I play from 1.5. I just hope I'll get her c6 at least next year. :)
Also got Noelle C6 due to super unlucky (lucky?) wishes early on. After redhorn thoe, Eula and Hutao has been sitting on the sidelines since Noelle is so cracked. Raiden is her support 95% of the time unless I need Raiden national for floor 12 😆
@@maraisfan4life517 A C0 Raiden when properly invested will do more damage during her 7 to 9 seconds burst up-time. It should be up to a 1 million damage with The Catch. For Noelle with good investment she will do 40 to 70k per swing with R1 Stonethresher and a dedicated team. In a single target scenario she will need 20 to 25 seconds to achieve the same damage. If you consider Raidens burst downtime and all, Noelle will probably still be behind. But not by a huge margin.
I pulled noelle at the game's release and decided I love her, and she's been my main ever since. It's really useful because she is a jack of all trades, because it makes her an all-in-one unit allowing room for other characters. Noelle's my main DPS, healer, shielder, and then I have three other slots for purely sub-DPS. Plus she's great in co-op because her healing reaches basically everyone.
True. I have a Noelle, a Bennett, an EM Kazuha and an EM Lisa. Comfy for exploration and weak world bosses, ok for most domains and hatder world bosses, but not enough for strong bosses etc. Not yet at least. I'm planning on getting a Ganyu and I will probably just swap out Lisa and leave Noelle in. But if I get Zhongli too I will swap Noelle out and wait for her C6 till I use her again...
She's the reason why I started genshin because I saw her picture in pinterest and was interested. Since then I mained her with a R5 whiteblind, triple crowned, and lots of love. Of course she's lacking in some departments but I still love her :>>>
If you’ve triple-crowned her then my suggestion is to save up and shoot for the Redhorn Stonethresher whenever you can. I got it at plain-old-R1 and it pushed her capabilities so over-the-top that she competes with my best 5-stars for damage. Add all her OTHER utility, and, well, it’s a no-brainer.
@@Menageryl yuppp i've trying to save all primo to get the redhorn stonethresher but I think my luck isn't good enough because I haven't even wished in the weapon banner since last year HASHHAHSHA but good luck to me then :> thank u for da tip thou
I noticed something about genshin's enemy difficulty. Obviously, the higher the level of that enemy, more damage it'll deal and more health and dmg reduction. But if there were enemies, let's say higher attack but low health, in return with more energy particles, Geo will definitely shine at most. We need something like this.
Dead enemy means zero dmg enemy. It'd just exacerbate the problem and cause the game more DPS oriented driven by the clock that is your HP. That is to kill the enemies before they kill you. This kind of problem require immortal enemy that deals huge dmg and require a good amount of skill to dodge around their move sets for a set amount of time. Which in turn will please both high skill players and survivability characters. HOWEVER, mihoyo will never make sustainable content that utilize noelle's survivability. Why? Simply because that's a problem with readily available solution. Everyone will just use noelle and call it a day, not generating any profit for mihoyo from gacha pulls. Also most healers in the game already overheal by a fk ton anyway, so there's absolutely zero chance that mihoyo gonna make abyss-like survival challenge. An event maybe, but it wouldn't be sustainable like abyss. If anyone could came up with a gameplay idea that will both use survivability and generate profit for mihoyo, we'd... nvm, they came up with those damned wolves to powercreep abyss instead of making new content. So.. yea, they will never make new sustainable content period.
I mean they might. Geo enemies have higher shields, so they're harder to get through before you do damage it to its actual health. Perhaps when we have more types of enemies closer to being from say Sumeru, something like this might be implemented. I have no idea though. They'd have to be an enemy that could attack from far away, otherwise anybody with a decently built character might take it out ridiculously fast and gain too much energy particles.
@@DCminh-pe9wf I'm sorry for not being clear, but sustainable here means repeatable, like abyssal moon spire that refreshes every 2 weeks, unlike the abyssal corridors which is one time only.
There’s one : Stormterror. It’s Noelle and Barbara’s time to shine as dps (no joke), with Ningguang as support to increase their attack and defense and to provide an additionnel shield against his attacks. Stormterror’s shield breaks on two rounds and the horn breaks in three or four rounds.
Well then. A year after this video, and Noelle is buffed via Furina's release, and now she hits like a train car. (I am oddly happy to be a Noelle main now.)
As a Noelle main, i just want one thing - that is for her to be able to generate her own particles. I don't mind the rest of her kit, Noelle is already very strong as a DPS unit / tank. Fun fact, in his latest updated Tier List, IWinToLose (iwtl) put her in S Tier, saying that her power level can compete with C0 Xiao's if built properly.
And his Noelle does even a good chunk less damage than mine given the fact that she isn't his main. But yeah she got invited to that 5* table as the only 4* unit.
I loved noelle from my first day getting her because at early game, I was scared of everything and she kept my characters alive. now even into late game, I'm glad I invested into her because she's capable of doing so much and it's been my pleasure to work on her build. it's satisfying to see her improving on both her defense capabilities and damage. of course what probably made me willing to go that distance is that she's just a top tier waifu. Keke. these videos are entertaining to watch but at the end of the day, this game is very much character > meta, since most content is relatively easy to beat with any character, given the proper investment. you just have to like them enough. and the noelle mains community is a great reminder of that.
being a noelle main since day 1, i have a huge grudge against timed challenges and abyss mage shields in early game, ESPECIALLY IF THE TIMED CHALLENGES HAVE ABYSS MAGES
As a Noelle main I am very interested to see what you have to say, I know for me my biggest problem with her is the fact she makes no energy, i can’t really think of anything else that’s problematic, I have an easier time thinking of more than one problem with my other 5 stars than Noelle.
@@hopeatlast9617 A fully build dps Noelle usually have around 75% up time on her shield since you shave off 4-5s thank to her second passive making it 6-8s as best. As comparison it as long as Hu Tao elemental skills CD after it effect expire.
i really like pairing noelle with a character that has some sort of spiral elemental burst, like xiangling, or kaeya to help make up for the DPS. If i use a her shield while activating a spiral elemental burst and have her geo claymore elemental burst also activated she’s unstoppable.
I've been a noelle main since day 1, c6, redhorn, 62:219 ratio, triple crowned. It took me a total of 9 months to get my noelle to where she is now. I can list some problems I've seen with noelle and also give alternatives 1. Noelle needs c6 to be good. In the case that you want to build her as a dps, yes, c6 is great. Without c6, shes still really good. You just have to focus more atk rather than def until you obtain c6. Back when I used bolide set on my noelle who was only c4, she was still able to hit 20k per swing with her burst. If you can't get c6, you can also build her into other roles as she fills her support roles of healing and shielding quite well. 2. Energy problems Yes. This is a huge issue with noelle. Though, theres multiple solutions to this. If you run a full geo team, say, noelle, gorou, yunjin, geomc, noelle shouldn't have an issue if you run favonius on gorou and yunjin. If you don't have a geo battery, geomc/geo traveler is an amazing choice as they can run favonius sword if needed as well. 3. High investment Sure, she may need a bit more investment than other characters to be considered "good" or "on par," but that shouldn't stop you from building her. We all grind for characters anyway, noelle investment will come naturally so long as you continue to work to build her. So, in conclusion, noelle has many cons, but there are also many solutions to those said cons. I'm excited to see what this video brings though
I’m a noelle main and I don’t see that ever changing. I’m still building her, but her biggest weakness for me is she can’t deal with some timed events. Though the entire team is is able to survive very well.
@@k.o.gpeople1594 geo Traveler solves it. They're arguably one of the best batteries. Noelle-Traveller duo carried me through 11th floor, when geohounds were there with bleed.
@@k.o.gpeople1594 it's weird to me cuz yeah Noelle's energy issues are her biggest flaw imho yet it's somehow a dealbreaker for many people... what about characters like xiao, beidou, xiangling who also need batteries to function though? Somehow it's not a problem for them to require jean/sucrose, fischl, and bennett but oh it's such a disaster and limitation that noelle needs gmc or albedo or ning
id say one of the perks of noelle is that because she does everything, the rest of the team gains more freedom in character choice, which can boost damage output as a whole compared to using say thoma and barbara, then using a main dps and some character for elemnt applying/CC/whatever. even if you lean in to supporting her a bit with someone like albedo, that just means you can have whoever you fuckin want in the other two slots, its like bennet-kazuha or diona-ganyu. slap on some other supports and thats all you need. one of my best teams in abyss has been noelle, albedo, xiangling, xinqiu, but you could easily use tartag+fischl/beidou, zhong+geo MC if you really dont like dying, hu tao xinqiu if you want to take advantage of noelles passive shield that can activate on hu taos skill use seperately to noelles skill...
One thing i like about her well roundedness though is that she’s great for coop. Since everyone is on their own, many dps and supports become really frail. The ones who aren’t frail are the healers and shielders, except they don’t do damage. So when I use noelle, I feel great dealing like 25-30k damage every hit while healing everyone else and not having to bother with dodging. Of course, no one realizes that until they’ve actually invested in her though…
The reason why i keep Noelle on my team is cause she is unironically my hardiest character, literally nothing gets past her. plus, i made her into a gambling machinewhere she can either do mid dmg or just instakill everything that dares to approach
At first I didn't like using Noelle because of how slow she felt. But after getting her C6, Noelle has been my go-to character for clearing gimmicky domains since my main teams are purely DPS for Abyss with not too good survivability (don't ask, my comps are bad in general). Most artifacts I get are terrible, but for Noelle specifically, I didn't need to farm long to get a decent set for her Give Noelle a battery and she can singlehandedly sweep waves and become a reliable healer
I love Mono Geo comps, I find it so much more fun beating enemies then only focusing on elemental reactions. It's just fun hitting enemies with ROCKS O^O
The best part of playing these “Why No One Play” characters is I don’t have to fight over who gets to play who in co-op And as an AR59 player, it just adds more challenge since we got nothing to do in the game anyway 🥴
As a Noelle main I agree on this, but she carried my account from the beginning to Ar 40. Even though I already have strong dps characters, I never replaced her and still part of the team as a shielder, emergency healer and damage dealer
Noelle and Diona have carried my two squishy catalyst dps-es throughout the whole game; infinite shield, and nigh unkillable. And when I got Albedo, her burst is now constantly at 100% uptime, I’ll swear by her until I die.
I only stopped playing Genshin relatively recently, but even then, Noelle was one of my best characters. She's one of the only healers that I was okay with keeping on the field to do her healing because of how powerful she could be, and by the time her burst was over, everyone else was back to full health. Ironically enough, when I first made a Geo team, all of the other characters there were supports for her more than anything else, and that's incredible considering that those units were Zhongli, Albedo, and Ningguang.
For someone who struggle to find a good and efficient team for Noelle I can agree with the "Required specific teammates" point. She doesn't really have a good synergy with the rest of the cast other than geo. But even so she still can work well. I'm just glad I have my traveler built as her battery.
@Camilo Vazquez that's the thing, it works but not efficient. Building an efficient team around her is hard because not many character synergize well with her kit and element.
Bro, I never pulled for Zhongli BECAUSE I had a well invested Noelle. She carried me hard when I started, and I still use her to this day. I'm a day 1 player, too.
@@deathbird1202 I was planning to pull for Zhongli then I realized that Noelle is actually balance and she has good mechanism, I'm a casual player and I'm not interested in Spiral Abyss, hence if I pull for Zhongli then the game would be too easy and kinda boring because he's too overpowered for me, I want to experience Genshin Impact at fullest without stressing myself on Spiral Abyss.
She was my first character that I maxed out, and carried me for my first year of playing the game. She is a really fun character but has no interactions with other characters and really niche in a situations where you wanna use her. So when my acc was strong enough to not care what team comps I play, she is rarely in my teams anymore.
*Bro i literally started building my Noelle a few weeks ago xD* She's is currently lvl80/90, talents 8/8/8 and a Whitebland lvl80/90. All I need are better Husk arts. Right now shes 54%c.rate 111%c.dmg so there's plenty of improvement left🛐
As a former noelle main, my only problem with her when I got to higher AR's was the fact that before yun jin, there really wasn't any reliable way for me to get energy particles
it could've been worded better but this is also out of context lol, as the video mentioned her damage is locked behind having the right everything (team, arts, weapon, cons) whereas most dps can get away with less and still do more dmg. and the "worst" element. also based on the units i have built so far, she's months away of artifact farming to be viable for me, since i have to build 2 or 3 other characters just to use her
@@LC-hd5dc to be fair, I’ve been a noelle main since day one and I don’t even have gorou to use with her. I’ve only ever paired her with albedo for a battery and she does just fine. I didn’t even have to artifact farm for her because I’d say her second best set is gladiators and those come for free via bosses and strongbox. It took me a month just to get a husk set that could match my cracked gladiator one. So, to be clear, even without the stuff you “need” for her to be viable she still never dies and deals 30-50k dmg during her burst.
Noelle is one of the characters i use most in Genshin. She saved the ass of my entire squad many times since i got her, the week that Genshin launched. All thanks to her shield and healing. Hell, i finished Inazuma a few days ago, and i'm still use her. Noelle, is without a doubt one of my favorite characters in the game.
My favorite characters in genshin are the ones that feel like they are a full character. Noelle has checked that mark for me to the tee. I feel as if the fact that you have to put a lot of time and effort into her is characteristic of her personality, and it's made me enjoy the journey that my Noelle has gone through. Every damage increase feels much more rewarding when you take into account Noelle's personality. She does everything, which is also a large part of her character. She has full kit scaling, meaning everything is based around one major stat as opposed to split scaling. Of course, this comes with C6, but that comes around with your devotion to her, which wraps back to the time an effort thing. She has some deep mechanics that make her satisfying to play, and I will NEVER get tired of the screen shake and sound effect of her swings. I've always loved characters who's gameplay is reminiscent of their lore, another reason why I admire Hu Tao. I don't have her, but her theme being represented in her gameplay is extremely well-thought out. A funeral consultant who walks along the ethereal line of life and death. Thus her gameplay is represented by continuously dropping below and healing above her low hp threshold to maximize her damage, literally teetering back and forth on the line of life and death. I think Noelle is one of those perfectly designed characters in the game, but a lot of people don't want perfectly designed characters, they want meta. I wish more characters had their lore and personality represented in their gameplay.
As a typical gamer like you described, she suits my playstyle perfectly - I'm lazy so I don't want to dodge and Noelle let's me tank damage and just stand there and swing away. I had invested into her since the start since I had no idea how the game worked back then, recently got her to C6 and she's never really left my team other than when I'm bored and want to mess around with other team comps. The only other shielders I have are Diona and Ninguang, but I haven't built Diona yet. I have a 2pc Noblesse and 2 pc Berserker set on her and I managed to get Redhorn Stonethresher for her and I see her hit for 2k average which isn't bad since that's when she's healing the team. E then Q then spin to win as they say. She's not meta but I don't play meta and I like her personality and style and she was the first to reach level 90, ahead of Eula. Just my 2 cents worth 😁
"When it comes to gacha games, metas are formulated on the basis of specialization." *cries in Qiqi main* I personally believe that a good solution to the healer/tank problem is a more expanded multiplayer. If we could get a multiplayer abyss or a multiplayer version of the rogue like event, people would want a healer and or a tank on their team and I think that will get people to care besides Mihoyo just increasing enemy damage output.
As a noelle main, she is amazing in boss rush content, but we haven’t had that for a few updates. Also, her ER sucks ass. Need a dedicated team comp, but mono geo is amazing on her.
Although I agree with pretty much everything said in this video, I still maintain that Noelle is an absolute BEAST!!! She's the only character in the game who is a healer, a shielder, and a DPS all rolled in to one. She will easily carry new players from the early-game, through the mid game, right into the end-game, and even then, if you can get her at C6 and carry on building her, she becomes immense in the end-game too (in the right circumstances). I'll admit, I don't use her all that much anymore (I have about 15 5-star characters to choose from now, and a ton of well built 4-stars lol) but every now and then I'll find a situation that calls for Noelle, and I'm always surprised at how much of a beast she actually is (especially in an all-Geo team). Also, the great thing about Noelle is that, artifacts that you would normally deem 'rubbish' for most other characters (DEF stat ones) are usually amazing for Noelle, so you can basically build her really easily using just the 'scraps' form other characters.
noelle was my first character, and shes carried me my entire game, even in spiral abyss. Still waiting for the c6 con but shes so reliable and well rounded i can throw her into any team and it works. Def need to pair her with xingqui though for the energy
I built Noelle just bc I loved her character and the fact that I kept getting Husk artifacts instead of the healing one. And all I can say is now I can't die with Kokomi + Noelle.
Noelle was my Zhongli replacement when I didn't have Zhongli, and now she's my Itto replacement after I pulled Zhongli. I have Redhorn, farmed 4p Husk and no Itto. The anniversary web event said Noelle was my most played character in domains.
I have such a soft spot for her. She’ll always be my first 4* pull. As with a lot of Genshin characters they all have a their strengths and weaknesses, so using the right character/s for the right content makes all the difference. I discovered when farming up ascension mats for Albedo that Noelle’s true strength lies in absolutely obliterating the annoying as all hell Geo Hypostasis. Even at lvl 50 she bullies that thing. She may not get a lot of time on my roster out in the world, but when it’s time to bully the Geo Hypostasis, I now always look forward to it 😁 And if HoYo had that beast in the Abyss rotations you can bet your best 5* she’d be in a lot more players’ Abyss rosters and more built out.
I don't get it why so many people are getting so worked up with this video XD he's basically just telling the pros and cons of the character and most of it are really accurate, thanks for these vids! Keep up the great work
Semantics of "why no one plays" essentially (i.e. the implication is that the unit has fatal flaws). It's like a feminist meaning something different when they say misandrist statements, saying they aren't sexist. Also there are characters that are kinda worse than her, so I'm genuinely surprised
Noelle was my shield and healer when I was below AR45, I mainly used her as a support so I haven’t seen her full Main dps potential. Even as a full support I think her biggest weakness is her energy recharge and massive cooldown issues. She’s still besto maid in my eyes even if I don’t use her as much anymore.
I’m AR 56 and used Noelle for my team pretty much the whole time. (Still do when I’m not using my other team comps) She’s a complete unit, shield, healing, geo. Everything we could want
Excited for this video! Noelle carried me when I was in low AR. She has an all-around kit but everything in it is lacking. But she’s still my best girl! ❤️
As a long time Noelle main, thank you so much, Vars. I appreciate your very honest analysis, and you brought up so many good points. I found that Noelle might not be the most viable option, but it is a joy that I can use her on my team. It was a very nice adventure since starting out. 👍
Honestly 90% of the reason I love her is that her playstyle is really satisfying (for a reason I can't describe). That animation when she does the stance and her shield pops on is just great.
@@yashkedia6087 I am speculating here but likely because of the Bell's shield helps to give an extra shield since her skill's cooldown is very long? Tho I do agree, I got R1 20 whiteblind for her early on so never used the bell even at low AR
As a Noelle appreciator as well, please stop using the Bell XD. Just run WhiteBlind instead. Its easier to obtain and it instantly makes her damage even better as well as provide a nice defense % substat. XD the bell is such a meme weapon.
As a noelle DPS enthousiast, Yes, Most people will find her not being a specialist a bad thing, but as someone who enjoy the geo gamestyle, her being able to shield, heal, deal good dmg and not loosing her ult between swaps is all I ever wanted.
Noele is a great support for hutao, if you don't get zongli, because hutao to be optimal needs to be in constant low health, with noele you can safely protect her and if hutao health becomes dangerously low you can cure her with the exact amount of health for hutao don't loose damage. Character wise she have a great personality and she's humble too. Noele grew on me as the time passed and today I often use her as a viable option when I need a good shielder, is worth to mention also that the only shield stronger then hers is zongli shield, as a bujet option she's a great character to have buided just in case you need a ton of defence or a never breaking shield. Ofcourse, there's plenty DPS better than her, bit for me the role that she shines is as a support.
When I first started playing Noelle it was 100% as a Shielder and Healer. I mostly used her in the cases where I would use Hu Tao and the like because I didn’t have Zhongli. But after giving her a solid chance at being a DPS, she’s loads of fun to play and is very self sustaining with her own healing. I do think that the cooldown on her shield is pretty massive but as long as you’re dealing damage the cooldown actually shortens every 4 hits. Either way I just got excited to share. Can’t wait to hear what you have to say about her.
I got c6 noelle when I tried to get zhongli last year. She was my first c6 character. I decided to build her and she carried me throughout my adventures. Even with the release of azdaha, I used her to carry players on co-op. I used to play weekly bosses on co-op and the majority of them just use Main DPS characters. Noelle filled up the role as a healer, tank, and a damage dealer at the same time. Too bad the spiral abyss completion is measured as a time trial challenge so her usage rate is really low. I really like her character design and her personality in the game.
Let us not igonore the fact that she had 4 to 5 buffs recently. She got red horn, husk of opulant dreams and 2 dedicated supports for her who are yunjin and gorou. She is much more viable that in 1.0.
You're ignoring the fact that most other characters also got buffs or some sorts, especially elemental comps with RAIDEN and kazuha, so no, in reality she is actually worse in terms of viability compared to 1.0
@@kiuhh1118 if you use Noelle with gladiator set and white blind and then switch to red horn and husk set you will know what I'm talking about. The difference is so huge. Yunjin will change her damage so much and with gorou it almost doubles. You say characters that we're good in 1.0 are more viable because of raiden or at least some of them. That's true but having dedicated weopen and support and artifact is kinda different in terms of impact level. Noelle is still A tier at best and in peak condition. So don't take it too seriously anyways.
@@mehrzadmohamadi6489 , ok yeah dude just pull a 5* weapon, give her dedicated team and insane artifacts and boom! A decent character? Who could have thought..
"If you pull for the Stonethresher, there's a high chance you're pulling for Itto as well" Man, if you are talking to a Noelle main... No. No, we are NOT pulling for Itto. Give me my stronethresher and I'll be in my way.
Noelle is a great example of how a Character ought to be buffed directly (or in this case largely indirectly) over time. It's one of the few things I'm really grateful for HoYo doing whether they meant to or not. She is also a satisfying character to invest in and eventually see the results that you see other Noelle fans achieve. These characters don't get played because they are bad; they don't get played because people don't want to invest in them, and even if sometimes they might like the overall flare or kit of a character. Then there's the big what if: What if characters like Noelle won't be viable anymore one day even with high investment? There are just too many factors at play and not enough ways to invest in weaker characters. But that won't keep players like me away from investing in a Character like Noelle, or an even Weaker and harder to build character like Klee. It represents a challenge that can be far more meaningful than investing in a broken 5* like Hu Tao.
The mistake i see every single time when people use Geo of Corruption is that they never put Noelle with Yunjin. Do you realize Yunjin's kit compliments Noelle and helps carry the rest of them team.
Back when the abyss favours geo, Noelle + Redhorn comfortably smashed through abyss 12. Not that I'd recommend building her over others, but she can definitely carry you when the conditions are right.
I main Noelle, and I think that idea you were getting to at the end is probably a big factor in why I like her and why others don't. Like you said, she is a generalist; she is decent at a lot of things, even if it takes some investment. While I can't speak for other Noelle mains, I will say that I actually prefer this generalist approach. I like having a reliable fighter who works in most situations, so for me, that investment is worth it. Furthermore, I actually don't mind the grind as much as a lot of other players seem to, so that investment is effectively lower for me personally.
To everyone complaining about Noelle not deserving a "Why noone plays": Sure, the usage for no character is zero. However, the statistics show that while she's the most popular amongst the 4star selfish DPS, her usage is still really low when compared to 4star meta DPS and 5stars not named Diluc, Keqing, Aloy and Qiqi. Keep in mind that personal experience barely ever shows the whole picture, and that the title is not meant to be taken THAT literally.
If he ever makes a "Why no one uses Diluc" i'll rant. Yes, Hu Tao is better, we all know that but Diluc still gets the job done when it comes to Pyro DPS.
@@zugren871 and so Noelle. Between a C0 Itto and a C6 Noelle (which a lot of players have at this point) there isn't that much difference. And I main both
I'm just surprised he went for her and not Thoma. No really...a literal split-scaler done wrong vs a relatively balanced unit locked behind constellations, and he went with the latter. The semantics of the title is throwing me off even though I would probably agree with what he'd say. It's really way better if he worded it differently. "Why no one plays" usually heavily implies trash-tier in gaming.
By the way, investment, the thing is, she is one of the most efficient ones... -You get unwanted Husk artifacts while farming your clam sets for your healers so artifacts for her come for free. -You also get Gladiators from the strongbox which is an equally good set for her and you'll inevitably have some that roll DEF. -You get a unit with an element that counters most enemies so you can have fewer DPS units raised. She can kill pretty much everything, including shielded enemies while DPS of other elements are less universal. -You actually can get away with raising fewer healers on your account because Noelle is a healer while also being a good DPS so her team doesn't need one. So basically her artifacts come for free and she does the job of 2-3 units for the price of one. That's about as good as it can get for investment. The only issue is getting her C6 which is extremely hard because she is a 4* unit so there are no guarantees and you can't pull for her if the banner 5* is not something you want.
Noelle is in the shop often for starglitter or whatever it’s called. The shop only has old original characters after all, so it’s easier to get her c6 after some time.
You do NOT want Clam on anyone other than Qiqi. Barbara and Kokomi are both HP scaled so they want Millelith. Bennett also need hp but he ALSO need ATK for his ult. Jean and Sayu need atk and VV.
@@asianjackass237 bennett's atk boosting comes from his base atk stat, which is only influenced by his weapon's base atk. this actually frees up his sands, cup, and hat for hp/hp/helaing. also it can depend on if you want your healer to help with dps. it works especially well with off-field heals-over-time kinda heals like qiqi, jean, barbara, bennett, etc. it's obviously not their BiS, but they aren't bad by any stretch (as long as you get good stats on artifacts ofc)
"You get unwanted Husk artifacts while farming your clam sets for your healers" If anything, it's the opposite lmao. Farming for Itto/Noelle/Albedo, and all you get are clam sets and ATK/HP Husks, because why not.
can i just say that i love this videos thumbnail? your content is amazing as ever of course, vars, but i really love your approach to thumbnails. especially on this vid, the soft red you chose for noelles name matches so well with the ashy blue backround, contrasted by noelle herself. so pretty.
One thing I would like to mention is that you never really talked about gorou and yunjin, Noelle is the only character that uses both so in a way she kind of double dips on gorous def buff. Serpent spine is another great choice. Also personally I don't really get what you mean by the she's a normal person thing her strength and want to help others is kind of outlandish. Character design wise I agree it's more of an opinion.
Yeah, I accidentally stumbled into this combination and if you add in a tenacity user (ZL, Albedo) it's ridiculous. This is the one edge she has over Itto that brings her close to his DPS viability at C6. Itto is definitely more "comfortable" because you really just need Gorou at that point and free up slots for crowd control, etc. But thank god for Noelle's range you almost don't need CC... I feel it's pretty interesting how she's gotten some indirect buffs recently.
When I watch these "why no one plays" series, I feel like "ok challenge accepted" xD
Good mindset!
Same here
It's the very reason I built my triple crown DPS Barbara lol
Agreed bro :)
Although I must say, I challenge Noelle quite often, I have her Artefacts where I like them and using Whiteblind, at level 90 C6, I just love sweeping with her at 58AR
@@nomusic9587 Idol is love. Idol if life.
Noelle really shines in co op where you only have one character. Since she does everything it's like you still have a team of characters and she can carry weak teams through fights since she never dies.
everything but getting her energy back
@@zendao7967 You get tons of energy in co op with 4 characters all using their skills.
Triple crowned Noelle here. I use itto as a support to noelle,but she herself is amazing, but have energy problem
Definitely need to find the right balance for ER Efficiency. I used Favonius Greatsword and found my Ult up 24/7 which is nice. You do miss out on damage unfortunately.
She is best with 1 extra geo.
@@dasadd6374 your pfp makes me die inside
if only genshin end game was not beat the clock.
Ikr!!
If only this game had more strategic battles that weren't just "GROUP UP AND HIT IT TILL IT DIES!"
@@VarsII if only this game's community wasn't 10 times more toxic than lol players 🤣🤣
@@VarsII I understood that reference!
If only genshin players would stop following a meta in a single player game.
Noelle is the girl who will carry you through any fight, as long as you’re willing to wait long enough for her to kill it. :)
Sad but True. This makes her less valuable in timed end game content like abyss (unless you have powerful sub dps like Albedo) but she's definitely reliable
Without her I wouldn’t have been able to beat Azhdaha, Ayaka couldn’t be where she is now if it wasn’t for Noelle🥲
She literally carried me in the beginning 🥲
That's just wrong , with gorou and yunjin and at C6 her DPS potential is as high as xiao but unlike xiao she can swap and heals and shield and have massive AoE like him
@@kingdoom5022 most ppl don't have allat so the comment is trve for most of us lol
She is a “Complete” character, but nobody wants that, because in Genshin your “Team” should act as a complete whole. But Noelle acts as a team in itself (if that makes sense)
That’s how zelda game works
Yeah like she can do it all, heal. deal dmg. tank. Not generate any energy. Get shields. But she isn't the best at any of them.
Being complete as one character its great for coop, but yes energy regen is restraining her
Good point. She's ur team when u don't have a team yet. She can even mine with claymore.
Basically she's a jack of all trades master of none
Noelle is literally my favorite character, not only because she was the first one i pulled, but because i like every aspect of hers. Her design is beautiful, her voice actresses in all languages do a great job, her personality is just pleasant, her backstory as well, and her playstyle is so fun.
I just recently got her 6th constellation, and i can finally dedicate myself to making her my main dps, she is a one woman army and i love her for it
Update: i know Itto's banner ended, but when it was happening, i finally got Redhorn, so now i have THE weapon for her, poggers.
I agree
Noelle deserves more respect i love noelle ^-^
C6??? That Noelle can go against geo daddy.
"C6 noelle- look at me, I'm the geo archon now" somebody on internet
@@resof dude we are just saying of why noelle is our fav
He is just like me fr
would be nice to find a IRL girl like noelle just be nice to you and clean your house and crap....
I'm surprised Noelle got an episode as to my concern, she has a descently large dedicated fanbase and her fans are quite loyal to her. I see Noelle mains left and right just like how I see Yanfei mains. I myself main Noelle tho I guess I understand her problems like any other units (energy problems, really only good at c6 or early game)
Me a c0 Noelle main, maining Noelle because she has cute personality and a beautiful face : *pathetic*
Isn't her shield the 2nd strongest in the game? I would use her if it wasn't for the long CD (I have her at C0 btw).
Yeah but unlike yanfei only competition for her is Itto and arguably Ningguang, also she has had like what? 6 different indirect buffs to her kit? Theres Gorou and his c6, Redhorn Stonethresher, Husk Set, Zhongli, Geo Resonance Buffs, Yunjin and her c6, Yeah overall Noelle is Very Underrated rn considering she had a lot of buffs and everyone just shrugged it off
@@JM_Tushe It actually depends the way you build a character, because you can say the same thing about Diona or Yanfei or any other shiled user.
@@JM_Tushe not even. Noelle shield is one of the weakest in the game along with Xinyan shield.
As a triple crowned noelle player going for red horn, she feels great in comps for her but meh everywhere else. She’s convenient but has too much energy needs to justify as a flex pick.
Good luck on the redhorn pulls! I’ll be going for it too.
Me too
I main noelle too shes fun still play her im ar 40
Keke good luck for pulls! I'm in the same boat~
@@lakioking8792 I am AR 55 and Noelle has not left my team since I first got her
Out of curiosity have you read her story stuff? Because Noelle is canonically so strong she had to have a special sword made because she straight up broke the other ones because they couldn't take the stress. She threw an entire burning cart into a nearby lake and then singlehandedly pulled out the cart and its cargo once extinguished. Jean and the Knights went out of their way to make sure Noelle had other things to keep her busy during the whole Stormterror incident lol
I heard she's Hella strong, BUT SHES ACTUALLY STRONGER THAN I THOUGHT??
@Josh get your friendship up with her and read her story stuff, it's actually pretty funny. Wagner nearly lost his shit trying to make Noelle a claymore that wouldn't break from the force of her strikes
@@GeoSpark3070 There is a lot more plot around her. Her hangout is inspired by one punch man, when she hitted stuff to mine some rocks she caused earthquake.. she casually lifts full bookcases in library on daily basis with one hand and doesn't drop a single book to clean with another hand under them. By physical strenght only character on par with her would be maybe Shenhe, but if you include one punch man trivia i would say Noelle might far exceed everything for lolz.
@@piotrj333 Yeah one of her tidbits in her story is that Lisa dropped a book and was worried about looking decent while grabbing it, so Noelle appeared, lifted the bookshelf with one hand, balanced it on that one hand while grabbing the book, then set it back down without a single book falling out.
Imagine watching Noelle just casually doing stuff like that.
Do you know what is the most sad thing about the last fact you said (jean keeping her busy). That Jean does this shit instead of... you know... scholaring Noelle or hire someone to scholar her. It is in her best interest to have good and reliable knights in her ranks. And by teaching Noelle how to knight properly she would get herself one of the best knights out there. But Jean is like Hoyovers. Keeps ignoring Noelle and people tend to blame it on Noelle that she is not worthy because that and that. While I agree that Noelle has fair share of flaws which should definitely prevent her from being Knight, fact that everyone except Noelle herself leaves this as it is, is just unreal. Why on earth would you keep individual "safe" when she just needs some nudges in right way in order to be actually a good Knight? Whole thing around no one giving two shits about Noelle's effort (no, not even Jean. She made the salute for Noelle when she saw her, but that is literally it. Everything else she does around Noelle is just ignorance and outright disrespect, change my mind) is so unbelievably inconsistent and unreal.
Noelle main here; Excited to see what you have to say! She’s certainly got some solid attributes, but the fact that she’s a main DPS four star really does hold her back at times. Still love my little combat maid though!
Edit: Great video! I think one thing it would have been good to address in great detail is why exactly Noelle basically is forced to be a main to be a main DPS rather than support. I’ve seen so many people argue that Noelle is a great healer and shielder, but they seem to fail to realize that these traits are only at the best when Noelle is on the field and swinging as much as possible (appropriate for a maid who does everything herself, I might add). If you are using Noelle JUST for her shields, use Diona or Zhongli instead. For heals, just use Barbara or Koko.
As a Noelle Enjoyer myself.
C6
Triple Crown
Redhorn R1(for now)
Attc:1,150
Def: 2,034
Crt: 58%
Crit Dmg: 244%
On my Team comp.
She's my main
DPS
healer
Shielder (even if I have Geo dad)
For me the Cooldown is the only thing stopping her from being a totally broken character.
Yeah, 4-star DPS are bound to be overshadowed by 5-star DPS for obvious reasons. Do you think Noelle got high Burst cost but little way to get energy?
@@AI7428 Yah Noelle's shield at the very least should generate a couple particles on cast, and probably on the explosion too.
Same.
C6 a Jack-of-all-trades
I get that this series is from the perspective of a veteran whale, but Noelle was a life saver in the early to mid game. She deals ok damage but can take a beating while healing the rest of your team. A very useful character to have for newer f2p players, especially when trying to kill the bosses. I can't picture trying to kill the Primo Geovishap earlier in the game without her.
Oh god yes, heck even geo cube with her claymore and shield was amazing. Some people in coop were confused why I brought a geo character to the boss. I didn't even use her burst, just Normal Attacks and shield. Neglected for too long. Now that I'm farming friendship for her..rekindled my love for the maid and wanna build her after I finish raising my sucrose to 80/90. She has ok hush/maiden artifacts. Just need to level them while I raise her to 80/90
From a Noelle main. She's the best character early game, worst character mid game and great character good game.
Can be even stronger depend on future sub dps , like Yelan.
@@cynt4416 Mind elaborate How's She being the worst at mid game?
Literally mid to end game are the same (Post AR 50) which is artifacts grind fest.
If She is being worst due to artifact, then basically every character is the worst at that same point.
If She is being worst due to the fact she requires C6 to be a Main DPS, then that also invalid. Because She is already good before C6. And C6 made Her better by turning Her into a true All Rounder unit.
Also, stuff about "X will be better depending on future support unit" Applies to literally Every Character.
Unless said "future unit" Is specifically made for certain character/element (like Sara, Garou, Yunjin, and/or enabler)
@@zadokutah2315 because most other character being better at the same low cons, and good at hyper carry team where you just need to buff one single character to deal damage for the whole team.
And Id like to see how can Itto, Xiao team be better in the forseenable future.
Noelle team got 3 slot, 3 chance to be improve thank to being also a healer herself. And can accomodate any kind of rotation thank to the ability to switch mid Q. Itto cant even reset Gorou buff after 10 second
She solo carried me in my first childe fight by taking almost all the hits and dealing decent damage.
Honestly surprised I didn’t hear a portion of the video dedicated to what I consider to be her worst flaw (as someone who has dedicated time and resources into make Noelle one pf the best dmg dealers): Her Energy.
Noelle has literally everything you want in a character, but her particle generation is non existent outside of burst mode. She needs to be paired with another Geo Battery in order to properly keep her burst up. Besides that, she has proven to be incredible
I have to agree. I invested for a no-downtime build on her and it was quite the investment. It could be a deal breaker if she ends her Q without energy to spare
I think that is a general content creator problem. A lot of CC (not TC or people who are close to TC) just assume you get the Burst without knowing what the character needs to get the Burst back. "ER doesn't give higher numbers so it can't be a damage increase". That's what i think a lot of CC think. They don't look at ER. They sometimes know that a character has enegy issues but they don't really care about it. Because ER/batteries doesn't give more damage. And jf they jsut use Raiden as battery. Maybe I'm too pessimistic.
@@joe_simon It's not content creator issue, it's an Abyss and challenge events issue. Those make you focus on DPS over everything else.
@@MrPsychopathy But DPS is damage per second. And for good DPS you need good up time on your burst. But as i said: Some CC don't look at them and assume you get them on cooldown.
to be fair now you'd run her in geo only teams, if you give gorou 4 pc exile + favonius and some er rolls on her you basically solved your problems
Noelle: safest option in coop.
C6 Noelle: abandon everything and give your full devotion
MY FAITH IS MY SHIELD!
IS C6 Noelle a good DPS?
@@detlefswelt4546 She is definitely not among the best damage dealers, but she is amazing for coop because of her utility. She does decent damage, around 30k per swing, heals, gives shields, and is practically unkillable. She's often the last one standing, and can carry the whole team.
Noelle carried me through the early game so I have a soft spot for her 🥰 I’m working on building her as the healer/shielder for my mono-geo team
tip: build her as a dps not a healer, since she needs to be on field to heal you might aswell deal damage while healing
@@Suzumi-kun Yes and that's why I'm never treating her as a healer when I'm on the battle field, just ignore the fact she's healing herself and the team and keep fighting.
To be honest, not only would I excuse the high level of investment needed for Noelle, I would actually defend it as a unique way of incorporating character lore into gameplay. you mentioned before at about 2:42 you mention she has the near super natural ability to be anywhere at once. when you do her hangout event, she mentions that she does the One Punch Man routine (100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 squats, and "running two laps around Mondstadt"). She isn't everywhere because she can teleport like Xiao or something. she has to physically run to every place she needs to be, whether it's on the streets of Mondstadt, the halls of the knights of Favonius HQ, or even somewhere outside the city. not to mention that she'll go at the drop of a hat, too. There's a story about how Noelle saved someone from Dragonspine, but ending up getting bedridden with a high fever for 3 days straight, as well as Kaeya having to find any and everything to keep her from going after D'valin during the Stormterror Incident.
Noelle is incredibly and admirably devoted to her work, and has amazing potential at the end of that road. Much like in her backstory and character, if the player works hard enough grinding for levels, talent books, artifacts, weapons, etc., they too can unlock that potential. I current have a c6 triple crowned Noelle with pretty good artifacts, and recently I got Redhorn for her (thank fucking god). I also got Skyward Harp just before Itto's banner, so I was trying to level both 5* weapons up. Even with a level 50 weapon, Noelle, with max stacks on Husk and buffs from teammates like Gorou, Yun Jin, and 4pc Noblesse buff, still hits for 20K per swing.
Remember, the worst characters are the ones you never build. I can state confidently from experience that Noelle is VERY worth trying out, especially if you have any Def% pieces or spare claymore billets lying around.
(i'm sorry that i'm not at all sorry about the 20 page essay of a comment. i just thought the connection between lore and gameplay was very interestingly done, even if it backfired and turned people away from her)
imo even Itto requires some real investement to compete with other dps and the reason isn't his numbers or his kit, but his element. not having access to reactions is really a big struggle you can solve only with perfect artifacts and good weapons.
@@ayakoha Who needs reaction when you can have sheer damage XD Also if you got Raiden you can easily solve such problem
@@skell6134 which brings me back to what i wrote before, to make good sheer dmg you need great artifacts and weapons try giving 60 crit rate and 130 crit dmg to Itto like the standard Raiden build in a national team and tell me if he can make a dmg comparable to Xianli- er I mean Raiden
@@ayakoha The point is that Raiden can cover weakness of Geo not being able to make reactions,they can just use Raiden's E for that instead
Its not that hard to find usable artifacts for Geo DEF characters
@@skell6134 it's just a tiny buff, no better than Zhongli shred or Gorou or Albedo's dmg, no one really runs Raiden with Itto, it's a waste of Raiden's potential and she just steals precious field-time that should go to Itto himself. You're better running Bennet instead
One word on Noelle’s huge issue:
SHE CANT REGENERATE ENERGY, LIKE SERIOUSLY! HOYOVERSE, SHE CAN HEAL, SHE CAN SHEILD, SHE CAN SUPPORT, SHE CAN DPS, WHY NOT LET HER GENERATE ENERGY OMG 😭😭😭😭😭😭!!!
Give her favonius greatsword
@@reversethepolarityoftheneu773 yeah but then ur losing damage 😭
@@reversethepolarityoftheneu773 ur better of getting a battery for her
Yes, Noelle can do anything except generate energy ;-; You would need a good battery if you want her burst up fast.
@@brendatan6485 oh just like she can do anything but being a knight isn't one of it hhehe
C6 noelle with c4 gorou can kill everything in abyss easily. I think that her dps is strongly denied by the community.
Yeah it's pretty easy to 36* the Abyss with just those two on a team for one side. I just add Zhongli for the resistance shred and that bonus from Gorou's C6. The 4th slot can be anyone. If I have Morgana on one side I'll put Raiden in that slot. Otherwise a nice CC user like Sucrose or Kazuha works just well. I actually prefer Sucrose for TTDS.
Me with C6 Noelle and C1 Gorou: I have....... A quest
@@cc9787 itto's rerun just started go get yo c4 gorou man
@@verrrrrr. B-but.... Kazuha... And im flat broke on primos now.... The future is bleak
Yeah, like I didn't even farm for husk, just gave her Serpent Spine and 4 pc glad. She carries 1 side of the abyss and 3 stars all the opponents there easily. Which is why I can't ever get Itto. The claim that Itto does more damage may be true.. but by how much really? And getting Itto would also mean I would need a healer. so...
Honestly, i just like how Noelle is a simple character to understand. It like: “Here is a character with a shield that can heal and a big powerful sword that takes some time to charge, but can do decent damage”. It is a lot easier than trying to set up the perfect elemental reaction.
Big sword unga bunga go brrr
Yeah dats y i like noelle, shes simple ro build and use
This video didn’t age well with the introduction of Furina making her prob the best 4 star main dps and able to easily clear 36 star abyss.
I'd argue Noelle is one of the best designed characters in the game. Yes, she's not a broken meta character, but she doesn't need to be. She's designed to be a crutch character for new players, offering shields, healing, and overworld utility since she's a claymore user. Even in lategame with her high HP and DEF she's still a brick wall that can carry players through any non-timed content via sheer survivability. She's not part of 36 star spiral abyss meta comps, but she does a great job as an anchor character casual players can always rely on.
I think it's not true. New players don't have the tools to recharge Noelle's ult, as she generates no energy and new players don't have many good artefacts, Favonius weapons or other Geo characters. If Noelle doesn't ult, F. In the healing department, new players got Bárbara, a hydro character.
She'd be perfectly designed if she generated energy, a bit at least.
@@Huvale Your argument would be true if wasn't for.
1: The overworld give more then enough energy for all of the early game characters.
2: The early overworld was so easy you could just beat it with the blue weapon you can pick up off chest and +0 of whatever artifacts set and stats. The overworld only become a problem when AR45 because all enemy is level 80 above.
3: Noelle heal come from her elemental skill and not burst.
4: People aren't braindead.
@@Aibadenshi Well, let's see... The overworld gives many energy and enemies die rapidly. OK, TRUE, so then what's the point on using Noelle? If enemies die rapidly, the healing is not really that needed, but even if it was, she can't heal if she does not attack, but as it's so easy, you might kill the enemies so fast that the healing is conditional and inconsistent (50% chance while she shielded).
Barbara is free too and she heals unconditionally, no need for energy or attacking, and more or less the same cd (thinking that Noelle does not have the second passive which reduces the cd of her shield, because we're in early game), but she's off field, and hydro, which can help you with many pyro enemies in the overworld and the hydro element itself is incredibly good. You could think Noelle is helpful with ores and enemies with geo shields. Well, most times is possible to plunge attack to get the ores and overcharge for the geo shields, but yes, in that case Noelle's really useful, that's true.
And also, if enemies are weak, then you'd just kill them fast with any char, so I don't see why is SPECIFICALLY Noelle good for starters following your reasoning. She offers low damage, low healing (even though it might not be needed), low shield duration and she ain't that useful in the open world... I think you'd lose more time using her instead of another char in battle and change to her when there are ores around. Just my opinion, tho.
PDD: What I meant with the thing that if Noelle does not ult, F, was that, if she doesn't ult, she has no damage at all and she'd be even more uncomfy to use, I wasn't refering to the healing.
And please, sorry if i sounded hard or unrespectful, it was not my intention, English is not my mother tongue so I'm trying to figure out how to express myself.
@@Huvale because you just cannot kill Noelle, ever. You can definitely kill barbra, she can be interrupted and 100-0 in a combo much more easily than Noelle.
Noelle can only reasonably be killed if enemies makes an huge combo in the few second her shield is down, or in very edge cases. And on top of that, she ia the one shielder that can tank rifthound efdortlessly.
She won't kill things fast, but she can beat things that are too dangeroua for evwrt other character. Things like the Inazuma powerspike or WR increases are much less lethal if you have even just a moderately built Noelle that can outlast everything.
@@noukan42 Wait, wait, wait. No, if a Barbara can be one shot, it's not well built, she scales of her HP, she should have a lot, even if her def is not high, should survive... Also, Barbara is used 2s in a rotation, so if she gets interrupted, it's because the player is not switching correctly... If you talk about frozen state, OK, it's a pass, Barbara is uncomfy in that case.
If you use her as a enabler, it'd be more uncomfy, true, but generally you don't.
About rifthounds, you need a very well invested Noelle to heal your party and is still VERY inconsistent, as the wolves move erratically, and you're bound not to hit many attacks with Noelle... I disagree, Barbara would still be more useful against those monsters. Another thing, I'm not really sure about this, but is considered Inazuma early game or early-mid? I don't know, as I was already AR 55 or so when Inazuma came out. I'd say Inazuma is mid game or mid-late, not early. And also, is highly likely that by that point you have already got better characters to cover the healer or shielder role... I still think Noelle would just delay your progress in most cases.
Objectively, Noelle right now is the only "Real" tank in the game right now to me.
Yes. There are other shielder that can consider to be a tank, but most of their utilities is just cast shield and make everyone the tank while Noelle shield is most effective and tankyest when it on her and not others character (besides from A1 passive) making her primary shield a very selfish one since the majority of it toughest come from Noelle own Def scaling, one is increasing it health with Def and others one is reducing DMG taking with said Def stats.
yeah she is the only main carry/driver with a shield and high def now
I agree 100% This rings especially when considering that her defensive capabilities are maximized only when she is on-field since that's when she heals and she can also maintain better uptime with on her shield. I'm yet to see a character as flexible as Noelle since she can run with only buffers and sub-dps as she negates the need for a healer and on-field dps
Tank is a hard word to use since Genshin doesn't have a solid aggro system (especially because is a singleplayer one character active at time game for most parts), I personally like to use the word Defender to refer to defensive focused character, I use it in Genshin and Warframe as well.
i feel like kokomi could also be considered a tank in burst mode
when i fight azhdaha and he enters the element absorption phase, i don't even dodge and i haven't died once
Just to add to your point my Noelle is level 60... And she is still cabable of surviving level 90 enemies... Just goes to show how strong her shield really is.
I play her all the time. I've got her at C5. She's like my security blanket. Best shields and decent healing. And always so polite!
Have you bought c6 using starglitter?
@@emiki6 Yes, I did get her in the shop this month.and now she's a potential sub-dps on top of everything else! I'm leveling up her talents now. I've got her at Lv 9/11/11 with 21k HP, 1300 ATK and 3k DEF.
@@TomLoveman Excellent!
As someone who plays noelle I think she’s really balanced rn in genshin - she is a viable character for those that want to main her and is relatively easy to build. At the same time she’s not must-pull for broken character nor is universally versatile and a must-build character. And her character design is rlly nice.
Yea I like that she is balanced and not useless like Xinyan, but sadly in gacha game like Genshin being balanced is not good enough since you have to compete with broken character and most people would always use the most efficient character first. Noelle main are Noelle main because we love her and not because she is broken like Ganyu or Kazuha
@@zeromailss Xinyan isn't useless. She can be *used* as a buffer for Razor and Eula.
@@LawrenceVengeance she is useless, her buff is not worth the time and effort to use especially cuz of her element is at odds with superconduct, she also take up precious spot. Eula aside, Razor is not a top tier character so he need all of the advantage to beat abyss so adding mediocre teammate is not an option. Rosaria or Kaeya is much more beneficial. Then the rest is healer/shielder/sub dps and yes she could do that role but not well.
Her shield and sub DPS suck so using her as a support is more of a waifu reason than any practical use. Xinyan C6 is not the worst as she deal an okay damage with her charge attack but that's about it. She is like Qiqi where there is always a better option in every scenario
Noelle is in similar position on 1.1 but Geo receive so many buff and element specific character buffer like Gorou, she is also compatible with Yunjin as well as a new Husk and Redhorn. She basically receive 5 times buff since release making her comparable to a 5 star DPS at C6 despite able to be a tank and healer (unfortunately a lot of team can beat abyss without healer so her advantage is kinda useless). But that take so much resource that most people can't reach that point but at least there is possibility while Xinyan and Qiqi is just nope.
@@LawrenceVengeance Xinyan isn't useless, she just needs a ton of investment and can't use superconduct. You need the Redhorn for her , and a double geo double pyro teamcomp with Bennett and Yunjin.
Between the two, Noelle is of course better but Noelle is also extremely underrated in a game state where Redhorn, Husk and Gorou all exist.
@Waveshocker Sigma Xinyan's shield pulse and multi pyro hit burst cleanse enemies of cryo/electro auras, you need something like... idk, Yae and Kaeya to keep it going but it's very scuffed compared to just using Bennett, Yunjin and Zhongli.
noelle carried me since day 1 and today, at ar 56, she's still on my team. my party is always at max hp thanks to her
hey same! Started playing genshin last month with her on my team and until now I'm at AR 44 she never get replaced, she saved me a lot of times.
@@kanatahibaIm a new player and started just about 10 days ago I guess. How can I raise my adventure rank quickly? Im at rank 18.
After more than 3 years, Noelle will finally get a sticker ingame. She was the only character before 4.2 without a sticker while still being in the game from the very beginning.
She might be loved by Hoyo by being the only 4* character with 2 hangouts but she never appeared in any events as a key character till 4.1
It's interesting to see that I've seen every character discussed in this series played at least a dozen times in co-op, but I've never seen a sayu main (besides me) in co-op! It would be cool if you did a video on her :O
Well it's not that everyone doesn't use sayu it's more of they just use Sayu as there exploration character cause of her E skill imo
@@zra4191 agreed, she's just not a common character for co-op
@@Dudelee1 jean do better
Bruh, I haven't got Sayu even if I got C1 Ayaka ( but missed 50 50 so she's still C0)
I really liked Sayu kit, but never even tried to build her. Talking about anemo Sucrose and Venti have me covered for most of the time. And for healing Barbara is my favorite, Kokomi, Bennett and Diona are also options that I use a lot. I had Jean since mid game, use her for a while, but never really enjoyed playing with her, so when Sayu came out and over the time I just coudn't get the energy to build her. Kuki will come out soon, and since the begging of the game I have been waitng for a electro healer, so she already gets a extra point for me.
There is one advantage to Noelle you didn't mention: she's one of the few characters in the game that actually maintains her burst/infusion when switching out. This is something that not even Itto can do, which makes her much easier to use and switch to other characters if needed. Although I actually own both Noelle and Itto, I tend to prefer using the former. She's significantly simpler in design compared to Itto, which means spending a lot less brainpower and energy during combat when you don't really feel like it. Compared to Noelle, Itto has to manage stacks and can't switch out of burst, which are concerns not present for Noelle. Her healing and shield also make her very self-sustaining
Itto is geo xiao or geo raiden. He is supposed to be a hypercarry unit dealing most of damage by himself hence his screentime can't be interrupted. But u forgot itto can regenerates particles on burst mode, one of the aspects that make his 70 burst cost forgiving and don't rely too much on batteries unlike noelle. Her burst mechanics is a way of batterying her.
Turn off brain and BONK enemy.
@@taru5156 Itto needs a healer, unlike Noelle, so Noelle has a free party slot compared to him that she can use for a battery like Albedo.
@@ancalyme Technically neither of them need a healer if you use Zhongli
@@ladyofawesome8572 Technically yes, practically no. Every abyss cycle lately has had rifthounds somewhere and as long as we don't have shield HP bars or skill timers, relying on them is unreliable...
Being a free2player, I've found Noelle to be very useful, but I do see why this video is helpful. I've learned the challenging way, that she certainly needs to be built, and have invested a lot in her. Not disappointed either, since I just started playing the game about 3 months ago. Also, I have no 5 stars and not really many people to compare, so that may be a thing as well.
Trust me mate, you will NEVER regret investing in her!!!
I’ve been playing literally since Genshin dropped, and Noelle is the ONE character I would NEVER part with!
For 80% or more of my Abyss runs I have Zongli on one team and Noelle on the other. They are almost-permanent fixtures. And I don’t see that likely to ever change.
Noelle is one of those characters that just keeps improving as the meta and the game evolves and matures, and as you slowly but surely continue to invest in or tweak her build.
I've also just only began playing the game 3 months ago. Noelle main here at C3. Never regretted investing in her. Since I don't plan to whale, she's a blessing to have.
@@eve6875 I’m constantly floored by how highly people rate Diona and then they rate Noelle on the opposite end of the scale for doing essentially all the same things only better!
Annnnd… Outside of a shield-only build, Noelle’s shield can out-tank Zhongli’s with the only downside in comparison being it’s uptime.
And of course Zhongli doesn’t typically heal.
Again: Noelle happens to be one of the best built characters in the whole game - the complete, rounded package… And I find her to be absolutely must-have!
@@Menageryl I agree. The heal that comes with it is the nice touch. Leaves space for adding in another DPS as opposed to carrying someone like Barbara to heal in the worst situations (no offense to the Barbara mains, but it's impractical for me). Plus it creates a second shield when you cast it near another element. For example, near a fire source. It takes that element and makes a second bubble within the first Breastplate shield. Is no one going to mention this? xDD
She is no doubt the best f2p dps in genshin.....ive been playing for less than a month and im at AR 37 comfortable with enough resources and no issue with any enemy or boss....all thanks to noelle
I think she's one of the characters that has been the most indirectly buffed since release. There was 1.2 with Albedo (probably the best battery for her), 1.3 with geo resonance and Zhongli buffs, the Itto patch (Gorou, Redhorn, Husk), and also Yunjin. She went from among the worst characters to a very very solid dps. Still agree with most of your points though.
EDIT: Also would you be interested in doing Kaeya? I main him and would be interested in seeing what makes him worse than the other 4-star cryo supports (Diona, Rosaria).
1 word: FALSE AOE. Unlike Diona and Rosa with an actual AOE field, Kaeya "aoe" can straight up MISS.
noelle and xiangling appear the most on banners are recieve the most indirect buffs lmao
@@rizz8362 Someone in hoyo is def simpin
As a retired Kaeya main, I think the problem is the duration of his burst. However, he's useful as a energy battery.
And now they are nerfing her by implementing enemies that ignore or strqight up steal shields. Great
As a Noelle main, I've really enjoyed using her throughout the whole game. I was lucky enough to get her c6 fairly early on so she was very useful until I was able to build more characters and optimize team comps and artifacts. While now I still enjoy using Noelle, once you have another character like Ganyu or Eula, using Noelle again feels like a handicap almost. This hasn't stopped me from triple crowning Noelle though lol
I want her c6 because I like her, but Hoyo always puts her on banners with 5* I don't want to pull. :(( I have her c4 for now, although I play from 1.5. I just hope I'll get her c6 at least next year. :)
Also got Noelle C6 due to super unlucky (lucky?) wishes early on. After redhorn thoe, Eula and Hutao has been sitting on the sidelines since Noelle is so cracked. Raiden is her support 95% of the time unless I need Raiden national for floor 12 😆
@@jackic23 Raiden could easily outdamage Noelle if you wanted her to
@@maraisfan4life517 in the overworld and mob situations I find Noelle main actually faster and less running around
@@maraisfan4life517 A C0 Raiden when properly invested will do more damage during her 7 to 9 seconds burst up-time. It should be up to a 1 million damage with The Catch. For Noelle with good investment she will do 40 to 70k per swing with R1 Stonethresher and a dedicated team. In a single target scenario she will need 20 to 25 seconds to achieve the same damage. If you consider Raidens burst downtime and all, Noelle will probably still be behind. But not by a huge margin.
I pulled noelle at the game's release and decided I love her, and she's been my main ever since. It's really useful because she is a jack of all trades, because it makes her an all-in-one unit allowing room for other characters. Noelle's my main DPS, healer, shielder, and then I have three other slots for purely sub-DPS. Plus she's great in co-op because her healing reaches basically everyone.
True. I have a Noelle, a Bennett, an EM Kazuha and an EM Lisa. Comfy for exploration and weak world bosses, ok for most domains and hatder world bosses, but not enough for strong bosses etc. Not yet at least.
I'm planning on getting a Ganyu and I will probably just swap out Lisa and leave Noelle in. But if I get Zhongli too I will swap Noelle out and wait for her C6 till I use her again...
She's the reason why I started genshin because I saw her picture in pinterest and was interested. Since then I mained her with a R5 whiteblind, triple crowned, and lots of love. Of course she's lacking in some departments but I still love her :>>>
If you’ve triple-crowned her then my suggestion is to save up and shoot for the Redhorn Stonethresher whenever you can.
I got it at plain-old-R1 and it pushed her capabilities so over-the-top that she competes with my best 5-stars for damage. Add all her OTHER utility, and, well, it’s a no-brainer.
@@Menageryl yuppp i've trying to save all primo to get the redhorn stonethresher but I think my luck isn't good enough because I haven't even wished in the weapon banner since last year HASHHAHSHA but good luck to me then :> thank u for da tip thou
I noticed something about genshin's enemy difficulty. Obviously, the higher the level of that enemy, more damage it'll deal and more health and dmg reduction. But if there were enemies, let's say higher attack but low health, in return with more energy particles, Geo will definitely shine at most. We need something like this.
Glass canon enemies that would reign terror if left unchecked will be nice
Dead enemy means zero dmg enemy. It'd just exacerbate the problem and cause the game more DPS oriented driven by the clock that is your HP. That is to kill the enemies before they kill you.
This kind of problem require immortal enemy that deals huge dmg and require a good amount of skill to dodge around their move sets for a set amount of time. Which in turn will please both high skill players and survivability characters.
HOWEVER, mihoyo will never make sustainable content that utilize noelle's survivability.
Why? Simply because that's a problem with readily available solution. Everyone will just use noelle and call it a day, not generating any profit for mihoyo from gacha pulls. Also most healers in the game already overheal by a fk ton anyway, so there's absolutely zero chance that mihoyo gonna make abyss-like survival challenge. An event maybe, but it wouldn't be sustainable like abyss. If anyone could came up with a gameplay idea that will both use survivability and generate profit for mihoyo, we'd... nvm, they came up with those damned wolves to powercreep abyss instead of making new content. So.. yea, they will never make new sustainable content period.
I mean they might. Geo enemies have higher shields, so they're harder to get through before you do damage it to its actual health. Perhaps when we have more types of enemies closer to being from say Sumeru, something like this might be implemented. I have no idea though. They'd have to be an enemy that could attack from far away, otherwise anybody with a decently built character might take it out ridiculously fast and gain too much energy particles.
@@DCminh-pe9wf I'm sorry for not being clear, but sustainable here means repeatable, like abyssal moon spire that refreshes every 2 weeks, unlike the abyssal corridors which is one time only.
There’s one : Stormterror. It’s Noelle and Barbara’s time to shine as dps (no joke), with Ningguang as support to increase their attack and defense and to provide an additionnel shield against his attacks.
Stormterror’s shield breaks on two rounds and the horn breaks in three or four rounds.
Well then.
A year after this video, and Noelle is buffed via Furina's release, and now she hits like a train car.
(I am oddly happy to be a Noelle main now.)
As a Noelle main, i just want one thing - that is for her to be able to generate her own particles. I don't mind the rest of her kit, Noelle is already very strong as a DPS unit / tank. Fun fact, in his latest updated Tier List, IWinToLose (iwtl) put her in S Tier, saying that her power level can compete with C0 Xiao's if built properly.
And his Noelle does even a good chunk less damage than mine given the fact that she isn't his main. But yeah she got invited to that 5* table as the only 4* unit.
Pair her with other geo unit
I loved noelle from my first day getting her because at early game, I was scared of everything and she kept my characters alive. now even into late game, I'm glad I invested into her because she's capable of doing so much and it's been my pleasure to work on her build. it's satisfying to see her improving on both her defense capabilities and damage. of course what probably made me willing to go that distance is that she's just a top tier waifu. Keke. these videos are entertaining to watch but at the end of the day, this game is very much character > meta, since most content is relatively easy to beat with any character, given the proper investment. you just have to like them enough. and the noelle mains community is a great reminder of that.
You’re so right!! The meta doesn’t even matter, you can make any character good, heck even aloy
being a noelle main since day 1, i have a huge grudge against timed challenges and abyss mage shields in early game, ESPECIALLY IF THE TIMED CHALLENGES HAVE ABYSS MAGES
As a Noelle main I am very interested to see what you have to say, I know for me my biggest problem with her is the fact she makes no energy, i can’t really think of anything else that’s problematic, I have an easier time thinking of more than one problem with my other 5 stars than Noelle.
Don't forget the long CD, that REALLY hold her back too imo.
also to make her main dps u either have c6 or it's very rough using her as one.
@@hopeatlast9617 oh you’re right!!! Though with me having zhongli I just put his shield on when Noelles pops. XD
@@hopeatlast9617 A fully build dps Noelle usually have around 75% up time on her shield since you shave off 4-5s thank to her second passive making it 6-8s as best.
As comparison it as long as Hu Tao elemental skills CD after it effect expire.
-too much field time required
-geo LMAO
-and COPIUM fucking er is her main issue like you've already said
Noelle is still a 5* in my heart.
P.S. You forgot to mention her problems with energy recharge. Her elemental skill doesn't generate any particles.
i really like pairing noelle with a character that has some sort of spiral elemental burst, like xiangling, or kaeya to help make up for the DPS. If i use a her shield while activating a spiral elemental burst and have her geo claymore elemental burst also activated she’s unstoppable.
I've been a noelle main since day 1, c6, redhorn, 62:219 ratio, triple crowned. It took me a total of 9 months to get my noelle to where she is now.
I can list some problems I've seen with noelle and also give alternatives
1. Noelle needs c6 to be good.
In the case that you want to build her as a dps, yes, c6 is great. Without c6, shes still really good. You just have to focus more atk rather than def until you obtain c6. Back when I used bolide set on my noelle who was only c4, she was still able to hit 20k per swing with her burst. If you can't get c6, you can also build her into other roles as she fills her support roles of healing and shielding quite well.
2. Energy problems
Yes. This is a huge issue with noelle. Though, theres multiple solutions to this. If you run a full geo team, say, noelle, gorou, yunjin, geomc, noelle shouldn't have an issue if you run favonius on gorou and yunjin. If you don't have a geo battery, geomc/geo traveler is an amazing choice as they can run favonius sword if needed as well.
3. High investment
Sure, she may need a bit more investment than other characters to be considered "good" or "on par," but that shouldn't stop you from building her. We all grind for characters anyway, noelle investment will come naturally so long as you continue to work to build her.
So, in conclusion, noelle has many cons, but there are also many solutions to those said cons. I'm excited to see what this video brings though
In coop when everyone dies, her burst is gone lmao
ATK build with gladiators might be better for soloing Azhdaha
I’m a noelle main and I don’t see that ever changing. I’m still building her, but her biggest weakness for me is she can’t deal with some timed events. Though the entire team is is able to survive very well.
Her biggest problem is her reliance on her burst paired with the basically inexistent particles generated
@@Unwebonnn basicly to able fully use noelle you need geo battery sadge
There is no timed content that noelle cant beat... dont blame noelle for your garbage artifacts.
@@k.o.gpeople1594 geo Traveler solves it. They're arguably one of the best batteries. Noelle-Traveller duo carried me through 11th floor, when geohounds were there with bleed.
@@k.o.gpeople1594 it's weird to me cuz yeah Noelle's energy issues are her biggest flaw imho yet it's somehow a dealbreaker for many people... what about characters like xiao, beidou, xiangling who also need batteries to function though? Somehow it's not a problem for them to require jean/sucrose, fischl, and bennett but oh it's such a disaster and limitation that noelle needs gmc or albedo or ning
Me at low AR: "Meh, into the cellar."
Me now: "IT'S HEALING TIME, WIZARDS. BREASTPLATE!"
id say one of the perks of noelle is that because she does everything, the rest of the team gains more freedom in character choice, which can boost damage output as a whole compared to using say thoma and barbara, then using a main dps and some character for elemnt applying/CC/whatever. even if you lean in to supporting her a bit with someone like albedo, that just means you can have whoever you fuckin want in the other two slots, its like bennet-kazuha or diona-ganyu. slap on some other supports and thats all you need. one of my best teams in abyss has been noelle, albedo, xiangling, xinqiu, but you could easily use tartag+fischl/beidou, zhong+geo MC if you really dont like dying, hu tao xinqiu if you want to take advantage of noelles passive shield that can activate on hu taos skill use seperately to noelles skill...
I was Noelle main before I got Hu Tao, Noelle’s passive shield went from borderline useless and seldom used to a literal godsend.
MORGANO team. MOna, baRbatos, Ganyu. NOelle. lol. im using this now. c6 with stonethresher.
One thing i like about her well roundedness though is that she’s great for coop. Since everyone is on their own, many dps and supports become really frail. The ones who aren’t frail are the healers and shielders, except they don’t do damage. So when I use noelle, I feel great dealing like 25-30k damage every hit while healing everyone else and not having to bother with dodging. Of course, no one realizes that until they’ve actually invested in her though…
A super good point. Everyone wont realise how crucial Noelle is until they arent allowed to use her.
The reason why i keep Noelle on my team is cause she is unironically my hardiest character, literally nothing gets past her. plus, i made her into a gambling machinewhere she can either do mid dmg or just instakill everything that dares to approach
At first I didn't like using Noelle because of how slow she felt. But after getting her C6, Noelle has been my go-to character for clearing gimmicky domains since my main teams are purely DPS for Abyss with not too good survivability (don't ask, my comps are bad in general). Most artifacts I get are terrible, but for Noelle specifically, I didn't need to farm long to get a decent set for her
Give Noelle a battery and she can singlehandedly sweep waves and become a reliable healer
I love Mono Geo comps, I find it so much more fun beating enemies then only focusing on elemental reactions. It's just fun hitting enemies with ROCKS O^O
Make them suffer the wrath of the rock 🪨
The best part of playing these “Why No One Play” characters is I don’t have to fight over who gets to play who in co-op
And as an AR59 player, it just adds more challenge since we got nothing to do in the game anyway 🥴
As a Noelle main I agree on this, but she carried my account from the beginning to Ar 40. Even though I already have strong dps characters, I never replaced her and still part of the team as a shielder, emergency healer and damage dealer
Noelle and Diona have carried my two squishy catalyst dps-es throughout the whole game; infinite shield, and nigh unkillable. And when I got Albedo, her burst is now constantly at 100% uptime, I’ll swear by her until I die.
I only stopped playing Genshin relatively recently, but even then, Noelle was one of my best characters. She's one of the only healers that I was okay with keeping on the field to do her healing because of how powerful she could be, and by the time her burst was over, everyone else was back to full health. Ironically enough, when I first made a Geo team, all of the other characters there were supports for her more than anything else, and that's incredible considering that those units were Zhongli, Albedo, and Ningguang.
For someone who struggle to find a good and efficient team for Noelle I can agree with the "Required specific teammates" point. She doesn't really have a good synergy with the rest of the cast other than geo. But even so she still can work well. I'm just glad I have my traveler built as her battery.
I dont have other geo units at the moment but I use her with Diona and Rosaria and it kind of works for me especially it fixes her energy issue
@Camilo Vazquez that's the thing, it works but not efficient. Building an efficient team around her is hard because not many character synergize well with her kit and element.
I use her with itto clear every enemies within a minute
Noelle is like the Traveler. Everyone has her, but, as soon as they get something better, they replace her.
Definitely, I'd use her if it wasn't for the long CD, also I like the cryo resonance so I choose Diona as a shielder.
Me with a zhongli but prefers Noelle: you underestimate my dedication
Lol yeah, like I am this close to replacing my traveler with Heizou, I just need him to come into the game
Truuu Noelle was my first pull and lasted 3 days as my main before I realised that Razor does more damage.
Same amde a reroll new account in other server and can't wait to use barbara as a healer, she is broken in open world
Noelle really carried me through the early levels until I got Zhongli so she has a special place in my heart.
Bro, I never pulled for Zhongli BECAUSE I had a well invested Noelle. She carried me hard when I started, and I still use her to this day. I'm a day 1 player, too.
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I was planning to pull for Zhongli then I realized that Noelle is actually balance and she has good mechanism, I'm a casual player and I'm not interested in Spiral Abyss, hence if I pull for Zhongli then the game would be too easy and kinda boring because he's too overpowered for me, I want to experience Genshin Impact at fullest without stressing myself on Spiral Abyss.
She was my first character that I maxed out, and carried me for my first year of playing the game. She is a really fun character but has no interactions with other characters and really niche in a situations where you wanna use her. So when my acc was strong enough to not care what team comps I play, she is rarely in my teams anymore.
*Bro i literally started building my Noelle a few weeks ago xD*
She's is currently lvl80/90, talents 8/8/8 and a Whitebland lvl80/90. All I need are better Husk arts. Right now shes 54%c.rate 111%c.dmg so there's plenty of improvement left🛐
As a former noelle main, my only problem with her when I got to higher AR's was the fact that before yun jin, there really wasn't any reliable way for me to get energy particles
“She doesn’t offer anything besides damage and protection”
oh yeah I forgot killing things before they kill you was completely unwarranted.
it could've been worded better but this is also out of context lol, as the video mentioned her damage is locked behind having the right everything (team, arts, weapon, cons) whereas most dps can get away with less and still do more dmg. and the "worst" element. also based on the units i have built so far, she's months away of artifact farming to be viable for me, since i have to build 2 or 3 other characters just to use her
@@LC-hd5dc to be fair, I’ve been a noelle main since day one and I don’t even have gorou to use with her. I’ve only ever paired her with albedo for a battery and she does just fine. I didn’t even have to artifact farm for her because I’d say her second best set is gladiators and those come for free via bosses and strongbox. It took me a month just to get a husk set that could match my cracked gladiator one.
So, to be clear, even without the stuff you “need” for her to be viable she still never dies and deals 30-50k dmg during her burst.
Noelle is one of the characters i use most in Genshin. She saved the ass of my entire squad many times since i got her, the week that Genshin launched. All thanks to her shield and healing. Hell, i finished Inazuma a few days ago, and i'm still use her.
Noelle, is without a doubt one of my favorite characters in the game.
This is out of date now that Furina is here. Even theory-crafters are using Noelle now.
My favorite characters in genshin are the ones that feel like they are a full character. Noelle has checked that mark for me to the tee. I feel as if the fact that you have to put a lot of time and effort into her is characteristic of her personality, and it's made me enjoy the journey that my Noelle has gone through. Every damage increase feels much more rewarding when you take into account Noelle's personality. She does everything, which is also a large part of her character. She has full kit scaling, meaning everything is based around one major stat as opposed to split scaling. Of course, this comes with C6, but that comes around with your devotion to her, which wraps back to the time an effort thing. She has some deep mechanics that make her satisfying to play, and I will NEVER get tired of the screen shake and sound effect of her swings.
I've always loved characters who's gameplay is reminiscent of their lore, another reason why I admire Hu Tao. I don't have her, but her theme being represented in her gameplay is extremely well-thought out. A funeral consultant who walks along the ethereal line of life and death. Thus her gameplay is represented by continuously dropping below and healing above her low hp threshold to maximize her damage, literally teetering back and forth on the line of life and death.
I think Noelle is one of those perfectly designed characters in the game, but a lot of people don't want perfectly designed characters, they want meta. I wish more characters had their lore and personality represented in their gameplay.
As a Noelle main from day 1, I'm excited to see what you have to say about her.
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Me 5. honestly surprised to see many Noelle mains here in the comment section, i expected much fewer.
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As a typical gamer like you described, she suits my playstyle perfectly - I'm lazy so I don't want to dodge and Noelle let's me tank damage and just stand there and swing away.
I had invested into her since the start since I had no idea how the game worked back then, recently got her to C6 and she's never really left my team other than when I'm bored and want to mess around with other team comps.
The only other shielders I have are Diona and Ninguang, but I haven't built Diona yet.
I have a 2pc Noblesse and 2 pc Berserker set on her and I managed to get Redhorn Stonethresher for her and I see her hit for 2k average which isn't bad since that's when she's healing the team. E then Q then spin to win as they say.
She's not meta but I don't play meta and I like her personality and style and she was the first to reach level 90, ahead of Eula.
Just my 2 cents worth
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"When it comes to gacha games, metas are formulated on the basis of specialization." *cries in Qiqi main* I personally believe that a good solution to the healer/tank problem is a more expanded multiplayer. If we could get a multiplayer abyss or a multiplayer version of the rogue like event, people would want a healer and or a tank on their team and I think that will get people to care besides Mihoyo just increasing enemy damage output.
As a noelle main, she is amazing in boss rush content, but we haven’t had that for a few updates.
Also, her ER sucks ass. Need a dedicated team comp, but mono geo is amazing on her.
After 2 years im building noelle now ! Am i the only one ??
you're not alone.. 🙌😅
I can drop my UID and get it checked in Enka Network
NOELLE GANG RISE 🙌🙌🙌🙌
Although I agree with pretty much everything said in this video, I still maintain that Noelle is an absolute BEAST!!! She's the only character in the game who is a healer, a shielder, and a DPS all rolled in to one. She will easily carry new players from the early-game, through the mid game, right into the end-game, and even then, if you can get her at C6 and carry on building her, she becomes immense in the end-game too (in the right circumstances).
I'll admit, I don't use her all that much anymore (I have about 15 5-star characters to choose from now, and a ton of well built 4-stars lol) but every now and then I'll find a situation that calls for Noelle, and I'm always surprised at how much of a beast she actually is (especially in an all-Geo team).
Also, the great thing about Noelle is that, artifacts that you would normally deem 'rubbish' for most other characters (DEF stat ones) are usually amazing for Noelle, so you can basically build her really easily using just the 'scraps' form other characters.
Remember, *"Being a maid is about perfection, you have to do your best at everything you do"*
noelle was my first character, and shes carried me my entire game, even in spiral abyss. Still waiting for the c6 con but shes so reliable and well rounded i can throw her into any team and it works. Def need to pair her with xingqui though for the energy
I built Noelle just bc I loved her character and the fact that I kept getting Husk artifacts instead of the healing one. And all I can say is now I can't die with Kokomi + Noelle.
Noelle was my Zhongli replacement when I didn't have Zhongli, and now she's my Itto replacement after I pulled Zhongli. I have Redhorn, farmed 4p Husk and no Itto. The anniversary web event said Noelle was my most played character in domains.
Noelle main in 2023: Our time has come
I have such a soft spot for her. She’ll always be my first 4* pull. As with a lot of Genshin characters they all have a their strengths and weaknesses, so using the right character/s for the right content makes all the difference. I discovered when farming up ascension mats for Albedo that Noelle’s true strength lies in absolutely obliterating the annoying as all hell Geo Hypostasis. Even at lvl 50 she bullies that thing. She may not get a lot of time on my roster out in the world, but when it’s time to bully the Geo Hypostasis, I now always look forward to it 😁 And if HoYo had that beast in the Abyss rotations you can bet your best 5* she’d be in a lot more players’ Abyss rosters and more built out.
I don't get it why so many people are getting so worked up with this video XD he's basically just telling the pros and cons of the character and most of it are really accurate, thanks for these vids! Keep up the great work
Semantics of "why no one plays" essentially (i.e. the implication is that the unit has fatal flaws). It's like a feminist meaning something different when they say misandrist statements, saying they aren't sexist.
Also there are characters that are kinda worse than her, so I'm genuinely surprised
Well, after Furina's release, this video aged like fine milk.
As a Noelle main, all I could say is Noelle's shields has helped me from death far too many times that I could count
Noelle was my shield and healer when I was below AR45, I mainly used her as a support so I haven’t seen her full Main dps potential.
Even as a full support I think her biggest weakness is her energy recharge and massive cooldown issues. She’s still besto maid in my eyes even if I don’t use her as much anymore.
I’m AR 56 and used Noelle for my team pretty much the whole time. (Still do when I’m not using my other team comps) She’s a complete unit, shield, healing, geo. Everything we could want
Excited for this video! Noelle carried me when I was in low AR. She has an all-around kit but everything in it is lacking. But she’s still my best girl! ❤️
reason 1: I have itto.
reason 2: I have triple crowned itto.
Noelle will always have a place in my heart! ಥ‿ಥ
Noelle is "ruined" by how slow she is. If Genshin wasn't a timer obsessed game she would be deployed more often in difficult stages of combat.
Only slow to you because you haven’t invested in her. She quite capable of clearing abyss floors in a minute.
@@ShapeshifterOS I think they meant Atk Speed..?
@@ShapeshifterOS Umm... they definitly meant that her string of attacks come out very slowly after one another.
As a long time Noelle main, thank you so much, Vars. I appreciate your very honest analysis, and you brought up so many good points. I found that Noelle might not be the most viable option, but it is a joy that I can use her on my team. It was a very nice adventure since starting out. 👍
Honestly 90% of the reason I love her is that her playstyle is really satisfying (for a reason I can't describe). That animation when she does the stance and her shield pops on is just great.
Noelle with The Bell carried me from the start to AR 40. She's a great early unit and fun to play with
Really bell???
@@yashkedia6087 i made that mistake too🥲
@@yashkedia6087 I am speculating here but likely because of the Bell's shield helps to give an extra shield since her skill's cooldown is very long? Tho I do agree, I got R1 20 whiteblind for her early on so never used the bell even at low AR
As a Noelle appreciator as well, please stop using the Bell XD. Just run WhiteBlind instead. Its easier to obtain and it instantly makes her damage even better as well as provide a nice defense % substat. XD the bell is such a meme weapon.
@@theazfar921116 me too i used dragonspine weapon also maybe he played before dragon spine well i only use her for breaking pillars of geo cube
As a noelle DPS enthousiast, Yes, Most people will find her not being a specialist a bad thing, but as someone who enjoy the geo gamestyle, her being able to shield, heal, deal good dmg and not loosing her ult between swaps is all I ever wanted.
Noele is a great support for hutao, if you don't get zongli, because hutao to be optimal needs to be in constant low health, with noele you can safely protect her and if hutao health becomes dangerously low you can cure her with the exact amount of health for hutao don't loose damage. Character wise she have a great personality and she's humble too. Noele grew on me as the time passed and today I often use her as a viable option when I need a good shielder, is worth to mention also that the only shield stronger then hers is zongli shield, as a bujet option she's a great character to have buided just in case you need a ton of defence or a never breaking shield. Ofcourse, there's plenty DPS better than her, bit for me the role that she shines is as a support.
When I first started playing Noelle it was 100% as a Shielder and Healer. I mostly used her in the cases where I would use Hu Tao and the like because I didn’t have Zhongli. But after giving her a solid chance at being a DPS, she’s loads of fun to play and is very self sustaining with her own healing. I do think that the cooldown on her shield is pretty massive but as long as you’re dealing damage the cooldown actually shortens every 4 hits.
Either way I just got excited to share. Can’t wait to hear what you have to say about her.
Yeah, im looking for her constellation on yelan/xiao banner
@@nadaaqui7407 I hope you get some constellations for her! C6 is probably the biggest jump in damage.
@@notqrow3654 She is a Five Star in c6 lol
I got c6 noelle when I tried to get zhongli last year. She was my first c6 character. I decided to build her and she carried me throughout my adventures. Even with the release of azdaha, I used her to carry players on co-op. I used to play weekly bosses on co-op and the majority of them just use Main DPS characters. Noelle filled up the role as a healer, tank, and a damage dealer at the same time. Too bad the spiral abyss completion is measured as a time trial challenge so her usage rate is really low.
I really like her character design and her personality in the game.
The title: Why NO ONE Plays: Noelle
ME: *EXCEPT TO ME*
Let us not igonore the fact that she had 4 to 5 buffs recently. She got red horn, husk of opulant dreams and 2 dedicated supports for her who are yunjin and gorou. She is much more viable that in 1.0.
You're ignoring the fact that most other characters also got buffs or some sorts, especially elemental comps with RAIDEN and kazuha, so no, in reality she is actually worse in terms of viability compared to 1.0
She really owes Itto something for making all of that happen 😅
If she doesn't make it into the Knights Of Favonius maybe she joins the Arataki Gang 😂
@@LPphil99 YES
@@kiuhh1118 if you use Noelle with gladiator set and white blind and then switch to red horn and husk set you will know what I'm talking about. The difference is so huge. Yunjin will change her damage so much and with gorou it almost doubles. You say characters that we're good in 1.0 are more viable because of raiden or at least some of them. That's true but having dedicated weopen and support and artifact is kinda different in terms of impact level. Noelle is still A tier at best and in peak condition. So don't take it too seriously anyways.
@@mehrzadmohamadi6489 , ok yeah dude just pull a 5* weapon, give her dedicated team and insane artifacts and boom! A decent character? Who could have thought..
"If you pull for the Stonethresher, there's a high chance you're pulling for Itto as well"
Man, if you are talking to a Noelle main... No. No, we are NOT pulling for Itto. Give me my stronethresher and I'll be in my way.
What is Stonethresher? All I know is Redhorny.
nah man, I'm a Noelle main and I rolled both Itto and his sword. Two bonks are better than one.
I have itto because i needed gorou and they hold hands banner wise
i pulled it for noelle LOL
You're god damn right. I hit, I kid you not, 69k+ dmg on the shield pop with redhorn
Noelle is a great example of how a Character ought to be buffed directly (or in this case largely indirectly) over time. It's one of the few things I'm really grateful for HoYo doing whether they meant to or not. She is also a satisfying character to invest in and eventually see the results that you see other Noelle fans achieve. These characters don't get played because they are bad; they don't get played because people don't want to invest in them, and even if sometimes they might like the overall flare or kit of a character. Then there's the big what if: What if characters like Noelle won't be viable anymore one day even with high investment? There are just too many factors at play and not enough ways to invest in weaker characters.
But that won't keep players like me away from investing in a Character like Noelle, or an even Weaker and harder to build character like Klee. It represents a challenge that can be far more meaningful than investing in a broken 5* like Hu Tao.
The mistake i see every single time when people use Geo of Corruption is that they never put Noelle with Yunjin. Do you realize Yunjin's kit compliments Noelle and helps carry the rest of them team.
so i have yunjin and gorou, witch one that can help Noel more?
@@hayabusahithosi9587 both, then the other spot is free
@@hayabusahithosi9587 I have both of them to boost my Noelle to make 70k damage in every hit.
@@chunhinyu7999 if your yunjin is c6 then she makes your noelle rival itto with her increased attack speed
I just love to see her struggling with her huge sword while doing enough damage to shatter a mountain.
Back when the abyss favours geo, Noelle + Redhorn comfortably smashed through abyss 12.
Not that I'd recommend building her over others, but she can definitely carry you when the conditions are right.
I main Noelle, and I think that idea you were getting to at the end is probably a big factor in why I like her and why others don't. Like you said, she is a generalist; she is decent at a lot of things, even if it takes some investment. While I can't speak for other Noelle mains, I will say that I actually prefer this generalist approach. I like having a reliable fighter who works in most situations, so for me, that investment is worth it. Furthermore, I actually don't mind the grind as much as a lot of other players seem to, so that investment is effectively lower for me personally.
To everyone complaining about Noelle not deserving a "Why noone plays":
Sure, the usage for no character is zero. However, the statistics show that while she's the most popular amongst the 4star selfish DPS, her usage is still really low when compared to 4star meta DPS and 5stars not named Diluc, Keqing, Aloy and Qiqi. Keep in mind that personal experience barely ever shows the whole picture, and that the title is not meant to be taken THAT literally.
That’s not what the Noelle fans are saying. It’s actually a little scary how I’m only seeing them say they’re excited
@@gameb9oy Then this comment is clearly not directed towards those people, easy as that.
If he ever makes a "Why no one uses Diluc" i'll rant. Yes, Hu Tao is better, we all know that but Diluc still gets the job done when it comes to Pyro DPS.
@@zugren871 and so Noelle. Between a C0 Itto and a C6 Noelle (which a lot of players have at this point) there isn't that much difference.
And I main both
I'm just surprised he went for her and not Thoma. No really...a literal split-scaler done wrong vs a relatively balanced unit locked behind constellations, and he went with the latter.
The semantics of the title is throwing me off even though I would probably agree with what he'd say. It's really way better if he worded it differently. "Why no one plays" usually heavily implies trash-tier in gaming.
By the way, investment, the thing is, she is one of the most efficient ones...
-You get unwanted Husk artifacts while farming your clam sets for your healers so artifacts for her come for free.
-You also get Gladiators from the strongbox which is an equally good set for her and you'll inevitably have some that roll DEF.
-You get a unit with an element that counters most enemies so you can have fewer DPS units raised. She can kill pretty much everything, including shielded enemies while DPS of other elements are less universal.
-You actually can get away with raising fewer healers on your account because Noelle is a healer while also being a good DPS so her team doesn't need one.
So basically her artifacts come for free and she does the job of 2-3 units for the price of one. That's about as good as it can get for investment.
The only issue is getting her C6 which is extremely hard because she is a 4* unit so there are no guarantees and you can't pull for her if the banner 5* is not something you want.
Noelle is in the shop often for starglitter or whatever it’s called. The shop only has old original characters after all, so it’s easier to get her c6 after some time.
You do NOT want Clam on anyone other than Qiqi. Barbara and Kokomi are both HP scaled so they want Millelith. Bennett also need hp but he ALSO need ATK for his ult. Jean and Sayu need atk and VV.
@@asianjackass237 Kokomeme has too much healing tbh. Wouldn’t hurt to use clam. Healing isn’t as important in Genshin as damage.
@@asianjackass237 bennett's atk boosting comes from his base atk stat, which is only influenced by his weapon's base atk. this actually frees up his sands, cup, and hat for hp/hp/helaing.
also it can depend on if you want your healer to help with dps. it works especially well with off-field heals-over-time kinda heals like qiqi, jean, barbara, bennett, etc. it's obviously not their BiS, but they aren't bad by any stretch (as long as you get good stats on artifacts ofc)
"You get unwanted Husk artifacts while farming your clam sets for your healers"
If anything, it's the opposite lmao. Farming for Itto/Noelle/Albedo, and all you get are clam sets and ATK/HP Husks, because why not.
can i just say that i love this videos thumbnail? your content is amazing as ever of course, vars, but i really love your approach to thumbnails. especially on this vid, the soft red you chose for noelles name matches so well with the ashy blue backround, contrasted by noelle herself. so pretty.
One thing I would like to mention is that you never really talked about gorou and yunjin, Noelle is the only character that uses both so in a way she kind of double dips on gorous def buff. Serpent spine is another great choice. Also personally I don't really get what you mean by the she's a normal person thing her strength and want to help others is kind of outlandish. Character design wise I agree it's more of an opinion.
Yeah, I accidentally stumbled into this combination and if you add in a tenacity user (ZL, Albedo) it's ridiculous. This is the one edge she has over Itto that brings her close to his DPS viability at C6. Itto is definitely more "comfortable" because you really just need Gorou at that point and free up slots for crowd control, etc. But thank god for Noelle's range you almost don't need CC... I feel it's pretty interesting how she's gotten some indirect buffs recently.
@@pr0ntab I could reach a Kairagi's coward leap with her it's insane lol. Can't wait to C6 her immediately