Yup, sir, Don King called, says he wants his polyester pimpsuit back . Bareknuckles- is it going too far ? Is it okay if fighters are left with lifelong, permanent injuries ? Or is the gritty equivalent of a prison yard brawl your thing ?
say what bare knuckles is for real street fighters brawlers Real men real women etc. I’d do it if I had the money to support myself after getting my brains knocked in but need them so can’t 🤣
He's playing the role of a promoter, the promoter is supposed to be hated especially by the fighters, he's the "boss". Dana White recently denied someone a UFC contract saying he wasn't happy the guy went for a takedown with 10secs left in the fight b/c it wasn't exciting or he wasn't fighting hard enough. That same fighter that was denied a contract for "not fighting hard enough or not exciting enough" posted himself pissing blood on social media.
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For sure and let's see how he likes getting his ass lit up.
Herb Dean is a legend, he has saved alot of fighters from permanent damage. Yeah he has made some questionable calls, but when a fighters life is in your hands you tend to always go with your gut, and he has done enough fights to know better than you and me
As much as you hate to see it, it’s always better to call it too early than too late. We all want to be entertained, but not at that great of an expense. Herb has saved years of more people’s lives than some doctors. Lol
@UCeb_WUVIKGagV2UiGT7MQMQ what the actual fuck is wrong with you you sick fuck, the fighters don't wanna fucking hurt eachother and noone wants to see that, fighting is just a job to many of them and they rely on the ref to keep the other fighter and themselves safe. Every fighter has a family and friends that would miss them. If you want to see people get killed, go to a psychologist, you've been watching too many movies.
@@BKFC If Bare Knuckle would have caught on it would have happened already. We saw what happened to past bare knuckle organizations. Casual viewers don't tune in or show up, there is a lack of fighters, fighter longevity is low, and the purse isn't ever worth it. Stop trying to wake the dead.
The big trade off between bare knuckle and gloves is literally cuts vs. concussions. Any skin to skin contact has a certain degree of adhesion and when bare knuckle meets face there is a high chance that the face gets literally ripped open. Gloves mitigate that chance, but since the hand isn't breaking as much your hand essentially becomes a club and concussions have a higher chance of happening. Generally if you're given a choice between cut and concussion you should want to go with the cut, but if you do you run the risk of infection and a whole slew of other problems.
This is similar to what’s going through my head. Who knows, could be that bare knuckle results in less concussions because of the nature of how this changes fighting style, and the types of impacts the fighters are exposed to. It’s similar to the conversation on rugby vs football. Helmets allow you to take more hits which exposes you to a greater volume of harmful impacts. Also, in rugby since there isn’t as much protection they must adapt their tackle mechanics, a training technique that’s been adopted by footballers due to concussions. I’m a fight fan, martial artist, and concussion specialist. So naturally I’m very interested by the fact this sport has emerged given all the controversy on brain health out there. I’ve got a million questions. Infection is an interesting point. Since bare knuckle results in higher risk of blood contamination (since the knickers are exposed), are the BNB considering the risks of exposing opponents to certain bloodborn diseases? Although I bet stuff like this is covered well in their contracts. Too bad Joe will never see this comment, he could probably tell us.
@@joshrobertson1779 I would hope that it would all be prevented and accounted for due to being regulated but the founder seems like the kind of guy that honestly doesn't care too much beyond *looking* legitimate. EDIT: Also regarding American football/rugby, you also have to take into account the difference in size of the players. Hits in football are a far sight more dangerous than in rugby for so many reasons.
The UFC will turn into fights stopped early because of cuts and broken hands. There is no way in hell the UFC medics would let a guy get as fucked up as the guy with stitches all over his face. Where do you draw the line on "reality" Why have any rules?
@@joshrobertson1779 There's a lot more going on with hits between football and rugby. For one, the actual contact rules are different, IE spear tackles/checks are illegal in rugby and only the ball carrier can be checked. The nature of the games is different as well. Football is considered a game of inches. Stopping a guy on the spot is important because literally an inch can determine whether there's a punt and/or change of possession, or a new set of downs and/or a touchdown. This results in much more violent collisions. Rugby, being a much more free flowing game, this isn't nearly as important. Hell, giving the ball carrier a couple inches so that your team is in better position to gain possession is actually encouraged.
There's a reason they have to DROP THE GLOVES in a hockey fight. Gloves add weight and lead to the blow covering a much larger area on the head, which means the brain is getting slammed harder than with a bare fist. Bare fists lead to more damage to the tissue but less damage to the brain. Add to all of this that gloves protect the hands and you have a fighter willing to put everything behind his punch because the threat of serious damage to the hands is mitigated. Yes, bare knuckle fighting leads to more lacerations, but I'd rather have a few cuts on my face than a concussion, brain bleed or CTE at a young age.
Lol that's not why they drop the gloves in hockey. Hockey gloves are built significantly different to gloves used in fighting the only point of them is to protect your hands from sticks. They drop them becuase the gloves are a hindrance in a fight and you cant properly punch someone. Hockey fights is all together a bad comparison to professional fights though as the main goal is to get the other guy to the ice rather than fully knock him out due to risks of heads hitting the ice etc plus in like 95% of them only 2 or 3 punches land square the rest are typically glancing blows or miss all together. That being said I dont watch any fights other than hockey so could be totally wrong about the differences.
No dude no offense bro but it's obvious you've never been in a real fight. No gloves is stupid in so many ways a little education goes a long way. Pettis broke both hands in the first few minutes of his fight completely absurd.
@@reinaldocaraballo4657 that’s just improper technique because of reliance on gloves, and lack of conditioning that’s where pugilism and bare knuckle boxing shine they actually know how to throw proper punches cause if they don’t theyre hands get fecked.
Bareknuckle is not a new sport, considering it was a very popular sport back in the wild west. Bareknuckle is also very different because you can't punch the same as padded boxing, haymakers and hooks can't land to the side of the head because you will damage your hand too much. Jackie Chan talks about a fight he had where he punched someone in the face and had his opponents tooth, embedded into his fist down to near his hands bone.
At the end of the day, most sports are dangerous. Its up to the athletes to decide if they wanna participate or not. Nobody’s forcing anyone to fight without gloves, thats the choice the fighters made.
@Jesus is Fake because the gloves typically protect your knuckles and not the other person not sure how many fights you've been in but just from experience
If you ever smashed someone in the face and caught your knuckles across their teeth and get a big gash you would know right away well at least once the adrenaline wears off
@Jesus is Fake by padding your hands you can strike at full force at the top of the head, who contains the brain - causing, on the long run, permanent brain injury
I like the point made by Joe, that fighting with out padded knuckle make you think about self preservation. Similarly if NFL players did not have helmets and pads they would have to play the game different or your career would be shorted dramaticlly
I have a Scottish friend and he said the same analogy between American football in Rugby. He said since they don't wear pads in rugby they don't hit as hard as you think they do, and definitely don't hit as hard as Football players, who can hit hard because they have pads and helmets
Yeah in football they use their helmets like weapons and lead with their heads a lot. You have a false sense of security with a helmet. I honestly think it would be a safer sport if they removed pads. Players would have to tackle properly
@POOR PIRANO True that there would be a lot less strikes landing, but those that do land are much more devastating. Take Evangelista Santos vs Michael Venom Page for example.. Santos took a career-ending knee to the forehead that literally crushed his skull. A punch isn't going to do that.
@@seanclements6206 that is not a good argument. At the end of the day, you don't want your fighter with broken hands all the time. That is bad for business.
@@MrRJC1991 I'm not for or against it. I am pointing out you literally stated the argument in itself. Do you want the fights as is or do you want fighters to take more consideration for each punch they throw because they might shatter a metacarpal.
@Terry Dermott that could be true. But I have also heard that bigger gloves are worse for the brain. Because you take more shots to the head in order to be knocked out
I should stop talking before I give away any secrets, but there's money to be scooped out of thin air most people just don't know where to look for it, I don't "Get hired"
Joe always wanted no gloves so its interesting how he changed positions after it actually happened but maybe MMA could be different since the grappling would increase while decreasing the punches landed.
UFC started with no rules, no gloves, no weight classes. The first match was like a heavy weight or something vs a fucking sumo wrestler. The sumo got kicked in the face and had a tooth knocked out.
There is reason gloves were invented in boxing,your hands will eventually be destroyed over time,the top of the skull is incredibly hard,bare knuckle fighting will take its toll,eventually a boxer hands will be crippled,that they won’t be able to hold a fork..The ancient Greeks invented boxing,but I’m sure like MMA,that in that era there was some kind of padding on the hands..
Meanwhile Dana didn't give a guy in mixed martial arts a contract because he went for a takedown in the last ten seconds...he won the fight. No contract. But Joe would be silent on that. If Dana ate Joe's lunch what would he do?
No that shit was trash now when you look back on it. And the first couple UFC events with Royce Gracie were fixed , it's been known for years that they were fixed lol
dana knows that action isn’t going to happen 24/7 tho. obvi he’s always on the lookout for exciting fighters, but not as bad as BKFC where he’s going to take half the fighters’ money for not being exciting enough lmao
Has anyone else thought about how there is now a high chance of aids if they're both bare knuckle fighting with open wounds that's a high chance of blood mixing
@Evan Grimm Yeah but aids takes months to fully develop and be noticed like say for example you have aids and you get tested that week they still wouldn't know
DiBBagE they do have aids tests in boxing and mma, in the fight contract you agree that you don’t have anything as such and that you were tested accordingly schedule.
@@dibbage That's not true lol. HIV can be detected from the moment you've contracted it. It's sad to see people upvoting you who clearly know close to nothing about HIV/AIDS.
I don't think it should be solely boxing. I feel that it should be integrated into MMA rather than solely hitting with fists. Like Joe said, we don't pad knees and elbows, but we also don't fight with just our knees and elbows, it's nonsensical.
Bare knuckles increase the chance of breaking one's fist when striking bone (like the skull), which tends towards fewer punches thrown at the head and reduced power for the ones that are. The fights also tend to be shorter, ending in fewer hits. Additionally, bare knuckles precludes the possibility of loaded wraps and such. There's plenty of information out there. Do a web search if you don't believe me.
The comment section: "UFC doesn't get paid much", "bare knuckles boxing is/isn't more dangerous" Me: not even the point of the clip. The point of the clip is that the employer is not giving an inch of room for the employee to do their job. So basically these fighters go through what you go through at work...a manager that has never worked your position trying to micro manage you. These fighters need breathing room to work their strategy to with the fight...but the employers don't care about that, they simply want both fighters to engage as quickly, and recklessly as possible for excitement.
Thank You! When doing this, technique is everything! Of course this is bareknuckle boxing, and boxing in general, so someone is bound to get hurt, but attempting to mitigate super-serious and threatening injuries by way of advanced and precise techniques should be mandatory. If you wanna see fast, bloody action, watch a cock-fight, because maybe the real people fighting for their money and wages first and other’s amusement as a close second don’t want to be treated like pit-animals of whom are being told something along the lines of “you don’t fight, ya don’t eat”.
I hope people realise how bad a street fight can be and that's even with a ref.. I hope people go to fight in a professional area rather than street fights
It works like this in muy thai they bet money in between rounds for kos and then they tell the fighter they'll get bonus if they ko their opponent the next round.
I agree with Joe on this part- I was there and we didn't hear what David said in the back. The fighters all fought the way they did because that's who they are. I totally agree with Herb that the fighters are some awesome people. They are respectful, friendly to their fans and want to show they are not barbarians. Plus they love the fans and say they wouldn't be able to do what they do without their support. Not all of the fights look like Jason and Artem's. They didn't block at all and threw hands for 10 minutes. Each fighter has a different idea of what defense works best. Some block with their wrists and taking damage. This works in boxing with gloves, but not bare knuckle. On BKFC 3 Elvin Leon Brito showed what works for this sport. He modified his stance to block with his forearms and elbows. Out of any Bare Knuckle fight I have seen he is doing it best. Everyone is an amateur in Bare Knuckle, no matter what they have done before, this is different. Bare Knuckle is going to explode. People thought the same of MMA when it got popular and a lot still do. This looks bloody mainly because of the main event alone at BKFC 5, not all fights are that extreme, they just came to throw down hard and they did. Jason and Artem both are super awesome guys and badass fighters.
The gloves appear to be reducing the amount of cuts the fighters receive based on what I’ve seen so I guess you could say they do more then just protect the fighters knuckles.
I will say there is a massive market for this. People love fighting and knockouts. If this guy can package this right it could compete with MMA and regular boxing no question.
Not a chance in hell will bkf compete with either boxing or mma, first of bkf is just to brutal absolutely rips the face to bits and countless stitches are needed, leaving big nasty ugly scars all over the face, plus in bkf you won't get as much knockouts like you do in ufc fighting because they wear gloves which protects the opponents face much better especially against bk, basically bkf is not ever going to grow like ufc because we live in a very different world compared to say the 80s where bkf would be much better accepted because society back then tolerated violence much more than today's society does.
As a guy who has been in real fights, I think the argument for bkf being closer to the actual fighting is a real slippery slope. In a real fight you are not punching someone in the face because if you hit the teeth you can kiss your hand goodbye, you are throwing chairs at people, driving peoples' heads into door knobs, almost guaranteed to have opponents who are not in your weight class, and sometimes are in really sticky situations like trying to protect somebody who can't defend themselves. It's really dark stuff and not something to make entertainment out of. As for cutting the man's pay for running.... 70% of the time in real fights, you're running, either to chase someone down or to get the fuck out.
Depending on the contract they agreed to, it might actually be legal. The UFC has a clause in their contract basically making throwing a fight a breach of contract.
Sometimes I want to learn how to fight, just so I have the ability to hospitalise someone at the first opportunity. And the craziest part is if it's ever caught on video, they'll be fighting for their life and I'll be respected by the masses.
something wrong with you dawg, like did you not read that out loud? craziest part is you put someone in the hospital you catching a case and getting sued, have fun being famous for 10 minutes tho
@@TreyIrwin if I get in to a fight with anyone, I wouldn't be the one to instigate it. The fact remains that if they're not the one in hospital, then I am. Given how everyone seems to be talking about the subject, there's no respect earned in being hospitalised after losing a fight. You're considered weak, a pussy, someone who can't take a hit, someone who needed to be humbled by a better man, as in the one who knocked you down. Rather than it be an infortuq the thing, you're to blame for losing rather than the other being to blame for beating you up.
. The problem with boxing are the gloves, because they exist punches to the head are more prone shaking your brain inside leading to brain damage. Some gonna say so shit like “the human skull was meant to take impact”. Hears the thing, your neck is what bends when talking the force. If you put beans in a metal container and punch it the container isn’t broken but the beans inside still shake .
Ok I have fought in the street and in a match with and without gloves while I don't agree with the rules I do wish bare knuckle boxing is more common because despite common belief gloves make knockouts easier because it puts more weight into your hands and extends your reach.when you have extended reach you have an easier time knocking the chin around and more weight means heavier punches.when your bare knuckle all that's potentially risky is knuckles can cut more often.the entire reason that UFC doesn't go gloveless any more is because the common people don't understand gloves actually provide more risk towards brain damage and life threatening injury but because the gloves are padded so therefore they are safer than bare knuckle
less people will train or watch fighters who have become ugly because of broken noses and scars on the face, no pretty boy mayweather, no sex symbols, people want the fantasy of looking cute when fighting. old school fighters all had broken noses.
People forget that bare knuckle boxing was huge and was all over in the 1800s early early 1900s and before. There are still underground pit fights going on today.
@Dominus Ghaul the reason pride ended was simple ... UFC bought them out pride was doing just fine and with mma starting to get big in USA only more and more ppl were finding out about pride already every legit hardcore mma fan was fucking with pride, Dana n UFC successfully bought in mad casual fans with tuf in 05 and as many then became more into the sport they would find out about pride and become pride fans so Dana bought out pride in order to keep the new fans from finding out what the RNS was
Bare knuckle fights have always had less action because getting hit with a bare knuckle AND hitting someone with a bare knuckle fucking HURTS way more than gloves. Simple.
5:05 Joe: I might have to rethink bare knuckle fighting. Look at their faces afterwards. 5:57 Also Joe: My argument is, if you're not going to pad the shins or the knees, then why pad the knuckles, you're just giving a false sense of security.
@@unconcernedcitizen4092 Joe Literally: "My argument was, and still remains this..." You looking for a hog to ride or you don't understand english good?
@@freespeechisdead1565 "I MIGHT have to RETHINK bare knuckle fighting" He said he needs to put more thought into it, and then gave his current opinion dipshit
A punch can kill you instantly. There’s literally thousands of stories of people getting punched and breaking their necks, or falling and cracking there skulls open, brain hemorrhages etc. There’s a lot of people serving jail time right now for punching someone and killing them. Never heard of someone dying from a kick, knee, or shin....
That bareknuckle guy makes Dana White looks classy and ethical.
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Yeah he's fuckin lovin this shit rn..
Yup, sir, Don King called, says he wants his polyester pimpsuit back . Bareknuckles- is it going too far ? Is it okay if fighters are left with lifelong, permanent injuries ? Or is the gritty equivalent of a prison yard brawl your thing ?
LD51 nobody in ufc is using roids anymore they check for that
That bare knuckle owner needs to get in the ring
He need to go to jail
say what bare knuckles is for real street fighters brawlers
Real men real women etc. I’d do it if I had the money to support myself after getting my brains knocked in but need them so can’t 🤣
He's playing the role of a promoter, the promoter is supposed to be hated especially by the fighters, he's the "boss". Dana White recently denied someone a UFC contract saying he wasn't happy the guy went for a takedown with 10secs left in the fight b/c it wasn't exciting or he wasn't fighting hard enough. That same fighter that was denied a contract for "not fighting hard enough or not exciting enough" posted himself pissing blood on social media.
For sure and let's see how he likes getting his ass lit up.
Owner is an ex fighter
"You fight or you dont get paid"- Someone who hasn't been punched in the mouth, yet.
Unfortunately he has, many times lol.
Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship shut the fuck up why are you here
Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship prove it you little bitch
@@ethangarland8034 LMAO!! "This video and comment are talking about you, why the FUCK are you commenting?!"
Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship no one asked fuck outa here
Bare knuckle box with an elk while high on DMT then we'll talk Seth Rogan
Misunderstood Bean best comment of 2019
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@@dntwasteit8547 whos Krispin wah?
Lmao
You might be an Understood Bean if you used punctuation.
Fight still wasn't half as intense as the "The Human Spider vs. Bone Saw" cage match
that fight slapped harder then my grandpa before open heart surgery
that was the real shit bruv
B o n e s a w i s r e a d y
I gotcha for 3 minutes! 3 minutes of play tiimmmmmmee
Lololololololololol
It’s weird seeing Herb not wearing full black and rubber gloves
I KNEW THIS GUY WAS FAMILIAR HES A REF AINT HE
@@Mitutumuch yeah
It took me a minute to recognize him too.
@@Mitutumuch if you think thats weird look up a couple of his fights
@@tristannolan85 you just broke my brain
How about airsoft with real weapons
Kookko you mean war?
Right?!
Exactly tho
They actually have that with paint balls in real shells
Chance Hoblak so, still not real bullets
Herb Dean is a legend, he has saved alot of fighters from permanent damage. Yeah he has made some questionable calls, but when a fighters life is in your hands you tend to always go with your gut, and he has done enough fights to know better than you and me
Amen
Yep, fighter safety
As much as you hate to see it, it’s always better to call it too early than too late. We all want to be entertained, but not at that great of an expense. Herb has saved years of more people’s lives than some doctors. Lol
Just let them kill each other. You know they want to do it, everyone wants to see it happen, anyway.
@UCeb_WUVIKGagV2UiGT7MQMQ what the actual fuck is wrong with you you sick fuck, the fighters don't wanna fucking hurt eachother and noone wants to see that, fighting is just a job to many of them and they rely on the ref to keep the other fighter and themselves safe. Every fighter has a family and friends that would miss them.
If you want to see people get killed, go to a psychologist, you've been watching too many movies.
Ok, no rounds, no time limit no one leaves the ring until someone's dead.
Referee will be Mario Yamasaki.
I'd pay money to see that, hell we already got one big arena for it - The Roman Colosseums
The old time boxing matches were pretty much that bar the dying.
@@Pedro_Kantor why the referee?
With a wide variety of odd tools, such as a metal tined rake with no handle, a putty knife, combination square, tack hammer, ⅜" ratchet handle, etc.
Those post fight pics looks like they got attacked by bears.
True, but better the damage on the outside than traumatic brain injury.
jon paul they got both
AmCoolDude Yeah incorrect. Gloves protect the punchers hands most of all. Try punching a coconut ready hard for 15 minutes.
Kek Arthur The Bastard what the fuck are you talking about
Self defense is just that , but stupid is stupid
Too brutal it will never catch on with the public. Heard that before somewhere.
Disagree
@@BKFC......if they had fighters under the age of fifty it might be entertaining...
It’s messed up to take their money. How can you legitimately justify that? It makes your company look really bad.
Cody King Aren’t you referencing how people used to talk about the UFC and now it’s mainstream?
@@BKFC If Bare Knuckle would have caught on it would have happened already. We saw what happened to past bare knuckle organizations. Casual viewers don't tune in or show up, there is a lack of fighters, fighter longevity is low, and the purse isn't ever worth it. Stop trying to wake the dead.
Herb looks like a ref in and out the ring
Good lord. You could blindfold Joe Rogan with dental floss in this clip.
lol
Hahahahahahaha
Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship bruh youre watching this why don’t you comment on what he’s saying
@@MMA_Ruskie ah yes, there will be no unrelated comments. Boo creativity! Do you live in a country without free speech?
😫🤣😫😫😫🤣🤣 I was having a horrible day and this comment just made me crack up god bless
I appreciate having Herb Dean on the podcast. A great perspective, really.
Love how Herb Dean expressed not giving in to pressure of not being who he is
Bring back the collaseum and throw some gladiators in the ring
Would be fucking mental to see dudes with spears, axes and swords taking on Tigers n shit😂
They have leagues already I forget K something RUclips K medival
guy heron i guarantee with the right amount of money people would do it....I reckon people do a lot more crazier things for basically nothing
Throw prisoners in there. Nobody would really care who dies
Do it with all the prisonors.
Imagine if brass knuckle boxing was a thing
Back in ancient times it sort of was. Wouldn't be suprised if someone brings it back.
I could imagine Russia trying it at some point
Brass knuckles and bony knuckles are practically the same. Just condition your knuckles more and theyll become similar to metal.
Jake Crazy no matter how much you condition your knuckles, they will never have a 90 degree sharp metal edge.
Go to some parts of asia. There are underground fights where fighters are tied to each other and each are given a knife, surrender or die.
Herb looks like he smoked some herb before he left home
Lol not back home, him and joe Rolled up right before the podcast
He light up on the show
😂
Here’s a herb, I season dean with the herb, Herb Dean (running away while screaming)
how long did it take you to think that zinger up? smoked some herb - wow....
"they would fight that way in a walmart parking lot"
Knight probably has fought in a Walmart parking lot.
This is why Herb Dean is worth every dollar .. Integrity
'Tegrity.
Herb may have integrity, but he didn't have much to say.
I love him. Was my fave ref
Herb Dean's the type of guy that says...
"Hey man.....you dropped your weed. Here you go."
Ya, he seems like a stand-up guy
Where is the cast of Sandlot now?
*Yeah Yeah is a referee in UFC now*
Squints was in Logics music video
But where is the Rocket?! He’s the best beast of the backyard:
Yeah yeah is a bitch
Huh??
@@lucycoldeine6371 did im
The big trade off between bare knuckle and gloves is literally cuts vs. concussions. Any skin to skin contact has a certain degree of adhesion and when bare knuckle meets face there is a high chance that the face gets literally ripped open. Gloves mitigate that chance, but since the hand isn't breaking as much your hand essentially becomes a club and concussions have a higher chance of happening.
Generally if you're given a choice between cut and concussion you should want to go with the cut, but if you do you run the risk of infection and a whole slew of other problems.
Steven Galiniak well put
This is similar to what’s going through my head. Who knows, could be that bare knuckle results in less concussions because of the nature of how this changes fighting style, and the types of impacts the fighters are exposed to. It’s similar to the conversation on rugby vs football. Helmets allow you to take more hits which exposes you to a greater volume of harmful impacts. Also, in rugby since there isn’t as much protection they must adapt their tackle mechanics, a training technique that’s been adopted by footballers due to concussions.
I’m a fight fan, martial artist, and concussion specialist. So naturally I’m very interested by the fact this sport has emerged given all the controversy on brain health out there. I’ve got a million questions.
Infection is an interesting point. Since bare knuckle results in higher risk of blood contamination (since the knickers are exposed), are the BNB considering the risks of exposing opponents to certain bloodborn diseases? Although I bet stuff like this is covered well in their contracts. Too bad Joe will never see this comment, he could probably tell us.
@@joshrobertson1779 I would hope that it would all be prevented and accounted for due to being regulated but the founder seems like the kind of guy that honestly doesn't care too much beyond *looking* legitimate.
EDIT: Also regarding American football/rugby, you also have to take into account the difference in size of the players. Hits in football are a far sight more dangerous than in rugby for so many reasons.
The UFC will turn into fights stopped early because of cuts and broken hands. There is no way in hell the UFC medics would let a guy get as fucked up as the guy with stitches all over his face. Where do you draw the line on "reality" Why have any rules?
@@joshrobertson1779 There's a lot more going on with hits between football and rugby. For one, the actual contact rules are different, IE spear tackles/checks are illegal in rugby and only the ball carrier can be checked.
The nature of the games is different as well. Football is considered a game of inches. Stopping a guy on the spot is important because literally an inch can determine whether there's a punt and/or change of possession, or a new set of downs and/or a touchdown. This results in much more violent collisions.
Rugby, being a much more free flowing game, this isn't nearly as important. Hell, giving the ball carrier a couple inches so that your team is in better position to gain possession is actually encouraged.
"you fight or you don't get paid" hopefully they clearly stated that in the contract, otherwise they are looking at a lawsuit
There's a reason they have to DROP THE GLOVES in a hockey fight. Gloves add weight and lead to the blow covering a much larger area on the head, which means the brain is getting slammed harder than with a bare fist. Bare fists lead to more damage to the tissue but less damage to the brain. Add to all of this that gloves protect the hands and you have a fighter willing to put everything behind his punch because the threat of serious damage to the hands is mitigated. Yes, bare knuckle fighting leads to more lacerations, but I'd rather have a few cuts on my face than a concussion, brain bleed or CTE at a young age.
Lol that's not why they drop the gloves in hockey. Hockey gloves are built significantly different to gloves used in fighting the only point of them is to protect your hands from sticks. They drop them becuase the gloves are a hindrance in a fight and you cant properly punch someone. Hockey fights is all together a bad comparison to professional fights though as the main goal is to get the other guy to the ice rather than fully knock him out due to risks of heads hitting the ice etc plus in like 95% of them only 2 or 3 punches land square the rest are typically glancing blows or miss all together. That being said I dont watch any fights other than hockey so could be totally wrong about the differences.
No dude no offense bro but it's obvious you've never been in a real fight. No gloves is stupid in so many ways a little education goes a long way. Pettis broke both hands in the first few minutes of his fight completely absurd.
@@reinaldocaraballo4657 that’s just improper technique because of reliance on gloves, and lack of conditioning that’s where pugilism and bare knuckle boxing shine they actually know how to throw proper punches cause if they don’t theyre hands get fecked.
03:02 - 03:12
Now that's a smart man, with intelligent and clear perspective...
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Joe used to say the ufc should be bare knuckle 🤔
He just said "Maybe I need to reconcider my position on Bare knuckle".
Joe has gotten a bit... softer over the years. when he calls fights now and a dude is hurt, he will damn near yell for the ref to stop the fight.
Alex Bäck commented at the start of the video, admittedly I should have waited before commenting
Joe use to say the moon landing was fake too
Sam Shepherd so edit your comment? Or are you like hungry LOOL 😂😂
4:35 “they’d fight that way in a Walmart parking lot” 🤣
Brendan Schaub is a huge advocate of bare-mooseknuckle fighting.
😂😂😂 moose knuckle
Brendan Schaub is an advocate of submission grappling with no submissions or grappling
Jo Po lmao
Bare back moose knuckle fighting.
@@jackfahy2283 sounds canadian
Joe "when I laugh I look at Jamie's approval if it is actually funny" Rogan
I've noticed that for a while, lmao.
Why would Joe give a single shit what his employee thinks lol. He's just checking to make sure Jaime is laughing too, so he doesn't get the belt.
It is human nature when you laugh to look and see who else is laughing. Step your psychology game up before you judge.
He probably enjoys laughing with him because their friends, or feeds off the laughter from him. Or they enjoy laughing together. Who cares
@@starmorpheus BRUH 😂😂😂
Bareknuckle is not a new sport, considering it was a very popular sport back in the wild west. Bareknuckle is also very different because you can't punch the same as padded boxing, haymakers and hooks can't land to the side of the head because you will damage your hand too much. Jackie Chan talks about a fight he had where he punched someone in the face and had his opponents tooth, embedded into his fist down to near his hands bone.
At the end of the day, most sports are dangerous. Its up to the athletes to decide if they wanna participate or not. Nobody’s forcing anyone to fight without gloves, thats the choice the fighters made.
Bare Knuckle is safer then actually Boxing or MMA though....
@Jesus is Fake because the gloves typically protect your knuckles and not the other person not sure how many fights you've been in but just from experience
If you ever smashed someone in the face and caught your knuckles across their teeth and get a big gash you would know right away well at least once the adrenaline wears off
@Jesus is Fake by padding your hands you can strike at full force at the top of the head, who contains the brain - causing, on the long run, permanent brain injury
Andrew Sprague bare knuckle is bone to bone fighting, it’s bad for both fighters
I like the point made by Joe, that fighting with out padded knuckle make you think about self preservation. Similarly if NFL players did not have helmets and pads they would have to play the game different or your career would be shorted dramaticlly
I have a Scottish friend and he said the same analogy between American football in Rugby. He said since they don't wear pads in rugby they don't hit as hard as you think they do, and definitely don't hit as hard as Football players, who can hit hard because they have pads and helmets
@@BODYBAGxPAT rugby tackles are a lot tougher. They definatly do in Australia but those Aussies are tough bastards
Yeah in football they use their helmets like weapons and lead with their heads a lot. You have a false sense of security with a helmet. I honestly think it would be a safer sport if they removed pads. Players would have to tackle properly
Joe: “This unethical”
Proceeds to describe how pride did the same thing but it slightly different so it’s ok
He's such a hypocrite
@@iaccusegodforthemurderofet8406 Rogan is such a clown.
His main point was BK cutting fighter pay for performance moron. Prides yellow card was about overall action
I rather get punched than kneed or kicked in the face
Kneed is the worst
Oh yeah for sure. No doubt in my mind.
But it still depends on the fighter, would you want a knee by henry cejudo ir a punch from deontay wilder ???
@POOR PIRANO True that there would be a lot less strikes landing, but those that do land are much more devastating. Take Evangelista Santos vs Michael Venom Page for example.. Santos took a career-ending knee to the forehead that literally crushed his skull. A punch isn't going to do that.
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Man JRE is growing on me.great clips.
I remember watching this incident live. It never sat well with me. It's good to see Joe and Herb addressing it.
4:43 Jason Knight has the best nickname ever
They pad knuckles because you'll throw more punches with padding.
True that
@Bersker Bare knuckles actually is safer for your brain but you'll cut easier so it appears more violent cause they bleed more often
Padded knuckles also reduces the risk of fighters breaking their hands when punching.
@@MrRadical87 no shit sherlock
@@JamieReynolds89 lots of shit actually, Watson.
Herb is a solid dude...much respect to him.
I think gloves are more for hand protection than anything.
Which in turn allows you to throw more and less careful punches because of all the extra protection. That's the argument
@@seanclements6206 that is not a good argument. At the end of the day, you don't want your fighter with broken hands all the time. That is bad for business.
@@MrRJC1991 I'm not for or against it. I am pointing out you literally stated the argument in itself. Do you want the fights as is or do you want fighters to take more consideration for each punch they throw because they might shatter a metacarpal.
@@seanclements6206 I think they take enough consideration. They know if they make a mistake, they will get knock out. That is enough risk for me
@Terry Dermott that could be true. But I have also heard that bigger gloves are worse for the brain. Because you take more shots to the head in order to be knocked out
Joe “they would fight that way in a Walmart parking lot” rogan
Yeah well guys don't wear gloves in street fights.
Gloves help protect people’s hands so they don’t get broken so often and allows them to punch harder than they would without gloves.
Increasing brain trauma
when your boss can take half your pay at a wim
Why would anyone work for anyone but themselves?
@@MastaSmack then when your buisness grows who will you hire to make you more money?
I should stop talking before I give away any secrets, but there's money to be scooped out of thin air most people just don't know where to look for it, I don't "Get hired"
@@MastaSmack I never said you did get hired but if your running a large buisness and making boat loads of cash you surely need to hire people to help
I don't need a business or employees to make money, I just need people to have businesses and employees to make money...they don't have to be "mine."
You dock half my pay, you better spend it...and a whole lot more on security.
Herb is so cerebral, and that's just his personality, it's very refreshing.
But have you ever bare knuckle boxed a unicorn while on DMT ???!!!
no but i bet joe rogan would bare knuckle box an elk on dmt
I grappled with a yowie on DMT
Nope. Tangled with a smurf tho
🤣🤣🤣
Joe always wanted no gloves so its interesting how he changed positions after it actually happened but maybe MMA could be different since the grappling would increase while decreasing the punches landed.
Hey, id imagine he knows more than most of the people in the comment section. A man is allowed to change.
Interesting? He looked at the results on their faces lol
No he said MMA SHOULD BE. Strictly boxing is way different.
Joe Rogan always switched his opinion on things depending on who's on his show
UFC started with no rules, no gloves, no weight classes. The first match was like a heavy weight or something vs a fucking sumo wrestler. The sumo got kicked in the face and had a tooth knocked out.
Herb is very difficult not to like, I find. Great ref, humble demeanour
Joe starts really feeling the cocaine at 6:05 😂
Rogan didn't take Cocaine since 2010
Herb: MMA athletes are the most honorable and....
Everyone: JON JONES!!
LMAO and Conor
Nothing wrong with a lol bump
Robbie lawler
Lyoto machida
Chuck Liddell
Randy couture
Daniel Cormier
George Saint Pierre
Mark Munoz
@@stopdropandnopodcast1413
Those are the old timers. The new generation of fighters are cancer ie Colby Covington
And Rapist McGregor
There is reason gloves were invented in boxing,your hands will eventually be destroyed over time,the top of the skull is incredibly hard,bare knuckle fighting will take its toll,eventually a boxer hands will be crippled,that they won’t be able to hold a fork..The ancient Greeks invented boxing,but I’m sure like MMA,that in that era there was some kind of padding on the hands..
Yep, that hardcore attitude is what the appeal is. It's pretty insane, but to each their own ig
He didnt mention DMT!
Gruff - How about an LSD fighting league? Lol
Meanwhile Dana didn't give a guy in mixed martial arts a contract because he went for a takedown in the last ten seconds...he won the fight. No contract. But Joe would be silent on that. If Dana ate Joe's lunch what would he do?
He gonna start doing to bkfc what boxing does to mma/ufc...a podcast
Nothing
Bare knuckle fighting: If you don’t die, you don’t get paid.
Just cover the knuckles with 1 wrap of the tape to sligthly reduce pure knuckle on skin cutting, but still not allowing cushion.
I feel like Nick Diaz would be the King of Bareknuckle League if he signed up...
Yeah.. He's scrappy like that..
They already have "Hick Diaz"
He would get cut up so badly with all that scar tissue.
He will fight anywhere he diesn’t feel robbed or thrown underground the bus.
The Diaz brother take all the hands from anyone and still stand up LOL
Let's just go back to how UFC1 was.. Martial art style vs Martial art style. Karate Vs. Sumo etc, in their full attire. That was fun :)
No that shit was trash now when you look back on it. And the first couple UFC events with Royce Gracie were fixed , it's been known for years that they were fixed lol
Yeah it would be so cool if they had a tournament once a year that was voluntary and winner gets a big prize
@@drunkenmmamaster419 Ken Shamrock vs Dan Severn
Tito Ortiz vs Guy Mezger
Gary Goodridge vs Mark Schultz
All classic fights.
@@drunkenmmamaster419 modern UFC is trash, all fighters look the same, and fight the same, the early UFC really represented the sport of fighting.
@@TheRealAfrican a big prize would be coming out of that without becoming a Vegetable...
So was Chris Leben awarded 50% of Phil Baroni's pay because he practically didn't fight at all?!?!
Kinda funny to re-watch this after hearing Dana talk about how he's only "looking for killers" he's definitely just as greasy.
dana knows that action isn’t going to happen 24/7 tho. obvi he’s always on the lookout for exciting fighters, but not as bad as BKFC where he’s going to take half the fighters’ money for not being exciting enough lmao
Has anyone else thought about how there is now a high chance of aids if they're both bare knuckle fighting with open wounds that's a high chance of blood mixing
@Evan Grimm Yeah but aids takes months to fully develop and be noticed like say for example you have aids and you get tested that week they still wouldn't know
DiBBagE Don’t be typing that shit, you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.
DiBBagE like... how young are you that you’ve never heard of HIV?
DiBBagE they do have aids tests in boxing and mma, in the fight contract you agree that you don’t have anything as such and that you were tested accordingly schedule.
@@dibbage That's not true lol. HIV can be detected from the moment you've contracted it. It's sad to see people upvoting you who clearly know close to nothing about HIV/AIDS.
I don't think it should be solely boxing. I feel that it should be integrated into MMA rather than solely hitting with fists. Like Joe said, we don't pad knees and elbows, but we also don't fight with just our knees and elbows, it's nonsensical.
Bare knuckles increase lacerations, but reduce brain damage. There's always a tradeoff.
Magnaniman “quote required”
Bare knuckles increase the chance of breaking one's fist when striking bone (like the skull), which tends towards fewer punches thrown at the head and reduced power for the ones that are. The fights also tend to be shorter, ending in fewer hits.
Additionally, bare knuckles precludes the possibility of loaded wraps and such.
There's plenty of information out there. Do a web search if you don't believe me.
Herb is a genuine guy and a great ref
Michael Bisping said it best: How is the fence your sitting on, Joe Rogen.
Baby shoes for sale. Never used. It’s good to live on the fence. Keeps an open mind.
@@e8tballz I agree.
hahahaha
Rogan*. Dumbass
@@e8tballz If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for everything.
The promoter smells like Don King all over it
apallo knox ONLY IN AMERICA!
The comment section: "UFC doesn't get paid much", "bare knuckles boxing is/isn't more dangerous"
Me: not even the point of the clip. The point of the clip is that the employer is not giving an inch of room for the employee to do their job. So basically these fighters go through what you go through at work...a manager that has never worked your position trying to micro manage you. These fighters need breathing room to work their strategy to with the fight...but the employers don't care about that, they simply want both fighters to engage as quickly, and recklessly as possible for excitement.
Thank You! When doing this, technique is everything! Of course this is bareknuckle boxing, and boxing in general, so someone is bound to get hurt, but attempting to mitigate super-serious and threatening injuries by way of advanced and precise techniques should be mandatory. If you wanna see fast, bloody action, watch a cock-fight, because maybe the real people fighting for their money and wages first and other’s amusement as a close second don’t want to be treated like pit-animals of whom are being told something along the lines of “you don’t fight, ya don’t eat”.
David Feldman also came clean and said docking the guys purse was a publicity stunt
Jesse Richards He a coke head
Thats worse
@@wnrr2696 everything about it is a fucking mess
or damage control
After the backlash. Who wouldn't in his position
I hope people realise how bad a street fight can be and that's even with a ref.. I hope people go to fight in a professional area rather than street fights
Street fights dont usually go for that long anyway.
Still a lot of damage can be dealt, even in a small period of time
I'd love to see wilder vs Ngannou in bkrules.
fury vs wilder in bkf rules makes sense
It works like this in muy thai they bet money in between rounds for kos and then they tell the fighter they'll get bonus if they ko their opponent the next round.
Yeah but is that on top of what they are already supposed to be paid?
Yeah they are given a bonus, not having their money taken away
@@Osprey1994 yes but if u pussy out they can cut ur cheque.
@@stevens392 that makes sense. Work is work. If you're gonna get paid you need to finish the job you signed up for.
Lethwei includes headbutts too so is more brutal than bare Knuckle Muay Thai.
Can't imagine MMA without Herb Dean
Damn one looks like Frankenstein the other looks like a dead body found in the water just given color back crazy
Lethwei you headbutt. Lethwei is a miminal hand wrap. The most vicious sport
whos here after BKFC just put on a spectacular event!!! well done mr feldman🙏one of the most entertaining combat sports events in recently!!!!
Hold up, hold up. Are the barnacles fighting each other, or is it barnacles vs the world?
vs each other
I agree with Joe on this part- I was there and we didn't hear what David said in the back. The fighters all fought the way they did because that's who they are. I totally agree with Herb that the fighters are some awesome people. They are respectful, friendly to their fans and want to show they are not barbarians. Plus they love the fans and say they wouldn't be able to do what they do without their support. Not all of the fights look like Jason and Artem's. They didn't block at all and threw hands for 10 minutes. Each fighter has a different idea of what defense works best. Some block with their wrists and taking damage. This works in boxing with gloves, but not bare knuckle. On BKFC 3 Elvin Leon Brito showed what works for this sport. He modified his stance to block with his forearms and elbows. Out of any Bare Knuckle fight I have seen he is doing it best. Everyone is an amateur in Bare Knuckle, no matter what they have done before, this is different. Bare Knuckle is going to explode. People thought the same of MMA when it got popular and a lot still do. This looks bloody mainly because of the main event alone at BKFC 5, not all fights are that extreme, they just came to throw down hard and they did. Jason and Artem both are super awesome guys and badass fighters.
The gloves appear to be reducing the amount of cuts the fighters receive based on what I’ve seen so I guess you could say they do more then just protect the fighters knuckles.
I will say there is a massive market for this. People love fighting and knockouts. If this guy can package this right it could compete with MMA and regular boxing no question.
Not a chance in hell will bkf compete with either boxing or mma, first of bkf is just to brutal absolutely rips the face to bits and countless stitches are needed, leaving big nasty ugly scars all over the face, plus in bkf you won't get as much knockouts like you do in ufc fighting because they wear gloves which protects the opponents face much better especially against bk, basically bkf is not ever going to grow like ufc because we live in a very different world compared to say the 80s where bkf would be much better accepted because society back then tolerated violence much more than today's society does.
@@garycurrington5495there are knockouts in bkfc left and eight you mor*n hahahahah
@@oranges557not on that level still 😂😂
Artem about to become the face of BKFC, just like Conor was for UFC.
As a guy who has been in real fights, I think the argument for bkf being closer to the actual fighting is a real slippery slope.
In a real fight you are not punching someone in the face because if you hit the teeth you can kiss your hand goodbye, you are throwing chairs at people, driving peoples' heads into door knobs, almost guaranteed to have opponents who are not in your weight class, and sometimes are in really sticky situations like trying to protect somebody who can't defend themselves.
It's really dark stuff and not something to make entertainment out of.
As for cutting the man's pay for running.... 70% of the time in real fights, you're running, either to chase someone down or to get the fuck out.
Wooooowwwww that's CCCRRRAAAZZZYYY. GOD BLESS HERB DEAN
Depending on the contract they agreed to, it might actually be legal. The UFC has a clause in their contract basically making throwing a fight a breach of contract.
“Lyoto Machida would never make any money” lol
Sometimes I want to learn how to fight, just so I have the ability to hospitalise someone at the first opportunity.
And the craziest part is if it's ever caught on video, they'll be fighting for their life and I'll be respected by the masses.
something wrong with you dawg, like did you not read that out loud? craziest part is you put someone in the hospital you catching a case and getting sued, have fun being famous for 10 minutes tho
@@TreyIrwin if I get in to a fight with anyone, I wouldn't be the one to instigate it. The fact remains that if they're not the one in hospital, then I am. Given how everyone seems to be talking about the subject, there's no respect earned in being hospitalised after losing a fight. You're considered weak, a pussy, someone who can't take a hit, someone who needed to be humbled by a better man, as in the one who knocked you down. Rather than it be an infortuq the thing, you're to blame for losing rather than the other being to blame for beating you up.
Herb “My Upper Lip Doesn’t Work” Dean
. The problem with boxing are the gloves, because they exist punches to the head are more prone shaking your brain inside leading to brain damage. Some gonna say so shit like “the human skull was meant to take impact”. Hears the thing, your neck is what bends when talking the force. If you put beans in a metal container and punch it the container isn’t broken but the beans inside still shake .
Ok I have fought in the street and in a match with and without gloves while I don't agree with the rules I do wish bare knuckle boxing is more common because despite common belief gloves make knockouts easier because it puts more weight into your hands and extends your reach.when you have extended reach you have an easier time knocking the chin around and more weight means heavier punches.when your bare knuckle all that's potentially risky is knuckles can cut more often.the entire reason that UFC doesn't go gloveless any more is because the common people don't understand gloves actually provide more risk towards brain damage and life threatening injury but because the gloves are padded so therefore they are safer than bare knuckle
less people will train or watch fighters who have become ugly because of broken noses and scars on the face, no pretty boy mayweather, no sex symbols, people want the fantasy of looking cute when fighting. old school fighters all had broken noses.
Joe you should try to interview a rugby player
Why?
People forget that bare knuckle boxing was huge and was all over in the 1800s early early 1900s and before. There are still underground pit fights going on today.
Joe "they would fight that way in a Walmart parking lot" Rogan
Well mattered, well behaved, honorable...
Jon Jones, Conor McGregor. Hold my beer!!!
Those guys are assholes, and cokeheads, to boot. But most fighters are honorable.
@@sullyb23511 Those guys are scum of the earth
I watch bare Knuckle Fighting And I respect the hell out of those fighters for just doing it like it’s brave as fuck
Their faces. It's like the game over continue segment in street fighter. 😟
You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.
Yellow card deducted 10% of the fighters purse, I have the pride fights on dvd
ClevelandGOAT how do we know it’s the truth
Too bad that couldnt keep the lights on
The best display is rampage v randelman. That yellow card came out and they went to banging till rampage won
@Dominus Ghaul the reason pride ended was simple ... UFC bought them out pride was doing just fine and with mma starting to get big in USA only more and more ppl were finding out about pride already every legit hardcore mma fan was fucking with pride, Dana n UFC successfully bought in mad casual fans with tuf in 05 and as many then became more into the sport they would find out about pride and become pride fans so Dana bought out pride in order to keep the new fans from finding out what the RNS was
Bare knuckle fights have always had less action because getting hit with a bare knuckle AND hitting someone with a bare knuckle fucking HURTS way more than gloves. Simple.
5:05 Joe: I might have to rethink bare knuckle fighting. Look at their faces afterwards.
5:57 Also Joe: My argument is, if you're not going to pad the shins or the knees, then why pad the knuckles, you're just giving a false sense of security.
He said “My argument always was…” He’s very clearly saying he needs to reconsider that argument. You’re looking for something to whine about.
@@unconcernedcitizen4092 Joe Literally: "My argument was, and still remains this..."
You looking for a hog to ride or you don't understand english good?
You ever seen the aftermath of people getting kneed in the head? It can kill and end careers, You are the one out of touch with reality
@@freespeechisdead1565 "I MIGHT have to RETHINK bare knuckle fighting"
He said he needs to put more thought into it, and then gave his current opinion dipshit
Yes an elbow,knee or shin can do more damage than knuckles. But its way easier and more common to throw and land punches. Thats why gloves are needed.
A punch can kill you instantly. There’s literally thousands of stories of people getting punched and breaking their necks, or falling and cracking there skulls open, brain hemorrhages etc. There’s a lot of people serving jail time right now for punching someone and killing them. Never heard of someone dying from a kick, knee, or shin....
For me, I just want to get a hold of my attacker...or if I don't think I can take him...leave.
lol someone shoulda yelled back to the owner
“YOU don’t fight, YOU don’t get paid!”
Joe “That’s a lot of cuts” Rogan