Wisconsin Cop Shot with His Own Sig Sauer P320 Pistol - Negligence or Defect?
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- Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2024
- A Wisconsin police officer accidentally shot himself while drawing his pistol during a pursuit in December. In response, the Hobart-Lawrence Police Department has decided to ditch the Sig Sauer P320 handgun as their standard service weapon for officers, although an investigation into the incident deemed there were no defects in his weapon. A review of the bodycam appears to show the officer's finger inside the trigger guard. Several firearms enthusiasts and law enforcement officers are now part of a lawsuit against the manufacturer, claiming the P320 pistol has a defect that causes it to fire without the trigger being pulled. The Law&Crime Network’s Angenette Levy breaks it down with armorer Steve Wolf.
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Check frame by frame at 1:23, his middle finger is in the trigger guard. Clearly ND'd himself while drawing his gun. Most people are too young to remember this, but when Glocks started to be adopted en masse, Cop's kept ND'ing themselves while drawing because it doesn't have a manual safety, and they ND'd themselves during cleaning because they just pulled the trigger to release the slide without clearing the gun. SIG did have problems on early p320's with the drop safety; this was addressed and all of the new complaints just seem to be obvious ND's but it's cool to hate on the p320, and not cool to admit you shot yourself.
Dude! What kinda micro-adjustable player u got? 1:23 is B4 tha draw, n 1:24 is AFTER. U mean, maybe 1:23.375?
@@joehardway your , and . keys are one-frame steps on RUclips
@@joehardway play it at .25 speed. Its around 1:24.5 I think
@@MisterW0lfe Wow! Whoknew?
You must be watching a different video, I can't see either of his hands at 1:23.
I remember my first negligent discharge..... My son will be 3 this year!!
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I will never make excuses for negligence but the fact that this keeps happening with Sig’s 320 appears to be more than a coincidence.
Definitely not negligent but a known defect with this model💯
@@Litfilmzcap cap I own one it’s never went off
@@HateTheIRS it was reported a lot with the earlier manufactured ones I’ve heard though that they fixed whatever it was causing it in later models, I mean it should be basically impossible for a firearm to go off while in a level 3 holster or really any holster for that matter so it had to be a firearm malfunction of some sort. Also there are multiple drop test videos on RUclips that show the gun being purposely dropped and it just goes off which is why I go with Glock personally just to be safe, but hey man to each their own and if it works for you then it works🤷♂️🤝
@@HateTheIRSI own 3 and zero issues, including after trying to make fail with rubber mallet to be sure. There was an issue in the first version that if just the right height and angle it could go off. They fixed and zero issues after.
@@Litfilmz100% incorrect or they would have paid out settlements! You are just jumping on bandwagon without researching first, as I have.
You can literally hear the weapon clear the holster... I'm willing to bet the officer went to draw, and accidentally got a finger full of trigger, and duh the gun went off. And to avoid any embarrassment, the officer said "iT jUsT wEnT OfF"
Look at 1:23-1:24, go frame by frame (using the period and comma keys), you can see his finger is inside the trigger guard.
Canadian Army had one go off SITTING ON A TABLE UNTOUCHED….they have pulled their 320s
@@taylorgalilea698 Yea that was after the shot when off though. Not sure how big a difference that makes but still.
@@cowboyx9380 The early models did have an issue with them firing without being touched. That has been rectified in newer models and previous models upgraded. Honestly though I don't blame them for pulling the order, I wouldn't want to carry one.
@@cowboyx9380 Thats a lie. Sig p320 only went off when dropped or hit at an angle. I highly doubt this gun just went off. They're covering something up.
So you're telling me your gun just happened to go off on its own while you're mid-draw, while hopping out of a car, in hot pursuit of a suspect, and it had nothing to do with your finger??? I don't know man
Look at 1:23-1:24, go frame by frame (using the period and comma keys), you can see his finger is inside the trigger guard.
@@taylorgalilea698 get a life. Put ur hard on away and go do something. U don't have to be in every comment u basement dweller
@@taylorgalilea698 As always.
Yeah man... Seems like he is too embarrassed to admit it was a neg discharge or he just refuses to believe he would do something like that.
What I’m telling you is that Sig admits the gun can discharge when dropped in certain conditions, that’s all I need to know.
Retired cop here. The only semi auto I carried was the 92F with the DA/SA trigger. I am a big fan of this trigger for duty guns.
That looked like a negligent discharge when drawing while exiting the vehicle.
That's exactly what happened.
I’m curious about how you know that’s exactly what happened?
@@mostlyanchors168 Its obvious, he even dropped the gun after it discharged.
His trigger finger was high. I think there’s something going on with this particular weapon. I’m open to seeing how this develops though. There’s quite a few lawsuits in the works for this particular weapon.
Because I’d bet serious money he was drawing while he was exiting the car. Based on the events of why he was getting out of the car.
I guess it's easier to blame the gun then it is to explain how you shot yourself drawing your weapon...
Look at 1:23-1:24, go frame by frame (using the period and comma keys), you can see his finger is inside the trigger guard.
Please explain the other 99 instances and the exchange program from Sig? 🤔
@@taylorgalilea698 Have you ever heard of "preaching to the choir"? Stop pasting your comment everywhere and instead put it where it's appropriate.
@@gilbert3152 I'm sharing relevant info, shut it Gilbert.
@@taylorgalilea698 Not just his finger, his middle finger. This is 100% a case of blaming the gun for poor weapons handling.
100% negligence on the officer. he just doesn't want to admit it.
If you slow down video to .25 and pause at between 1:24-1:25 seconds you can see the officer’s finger smashed on the trigger right after the shot is fired. Clearly, a negligent discharge and not a product defect in this case.
@Phillip Smith It did not, but the burden of proof is on the officer to prove that the firearm was defected and because of that defect he was wounded. So, this post discharge video clip of his finger on the trigger only makes the officers argument all the more cumbersome.
haha wow
You're right... if you slow down the video frame by frame you can see his finger was on the trigger
@@phillipsmith8 you are delusional. his hand was on his gun and he pulled the trigger, lmao
your seeing in the frame what doesnt exist, middle finger wasnt in trigger guard, the middle finger was in motion completing the grip, the motion that was captured was before forming a grip in wich pinky, ring finger and then middle finger completes the grip
That was 100% negligent discharge and he jumped on the bandwagon.
You can skip through the video frame by frame on a computer with the comma and period button on the keyboard and at 1:24 when you can see the gun for a moment in the bottom right corner of the screen you can see the cops finger sticking out of the trigger well. He pulled that trigger.
His middle finger was on the trigger while index finger on the silde.
Look at 1:23-1:24, go frame by frame (using the period and comma keys), you can see his finger is inside the trigger guard.
@@taylorgalilea698 How are you seeing this? I never even see the gun in the frame.
yup he shot him self clearly i slowed it down an paused it he most definitely had his finger inside the trigger gaurd when he !exited the cruiser with pistal in hand.
Love how this guys is talking about sig 320s and he is holding an Sig p365 XL.
How did his CO not sit him down and say "dude look, there's your finger on the trigger" before things got this far? I mean that's going to be embarrassing in court. Just admit it, get better, do whatever negligent discharge training they're going to throw at you and move on. It could have been worse, he could have killed himself or someone else, he should be grateful.
One less road pirate. What a shame that would have been.
It was a technique and training issue. It wouldn't even be that big of a deal if he owned up to it.
I can’t say for sure if the P320 is shooting on its own or not in any of the reported cases but i do know that most man or women will never admit they were negligent especially if you’re a LEO. He’s giving chase to someone that’s possibly armed, his excitement levels are high, stress levels are high, fear levels are high and mistakes can be easily made. I’ve seen enough proof that the 320’s had some kind of problem at one point but i dont believe every situation was the fault of the 320. I do believe, in some cases, errors were made by the user causing negligent discharges and was just easier to blame the gun.
@@cp2158 More than likely he’s chasing an old woman with dementia who has expired registration.
He did an Alec Baldwin. His finger is clearly on the trigger...
if he didnt pull the trigger then why did it go off while he was drawing it? because its negligent and now everybody is trying to blame sig for their lack of training because the army said it wasnt drop safe.
Run the clip back slow he is holding the gun was out of the Holster long before he grabbed the trigger . Most People Think Police know or are experts on Firearms 1 out of 100 might know Firearms ? Thay are not shooters who shoot at least once a week They do not know about how fast things happen in real Life ?
This gun is known to discharge randomly
Not saying this guy didn’t do it to himself but there is multiple cases where the p320 has had issue with firing without the trigger being pulled
This isn’t the first case of 320 firing on its own or blowing up, I’ve seen several cases lately that people who have a high round count on their 320s they where blowing up
Police department armories just need to install the lightweight triggers Sig released to fix this exact issue. The heavier stock trigger is not safe. Why haven't departments fixed their weapons yet lol?
Go to 1:24. Pause the video, go to 0.25 speed and pause the video at 1:25. It’s one single frame on the very bottom right of the screen, but his middle finger is on the trigger. It was an accidental discharge. He shot himself. Wish I could post pictures on a comment.
From my admittedly limited research I’ve found that the overwhelming majority of these claims are from either Police Officers or competition shooters. Both of whom are usually very reluctant to admit when they’ve made mistakes.
Sig Sauer used a dozen independent labs and not a single one could reproduce the drop fire, yet sig still did a voluntary recall and only about 15% of P320 owners sent them in lol. The P320 has been one of the best selling pistols since 2015 and the only ones having problems are cops who hardly even shoot firearms.
Funny they have so many "Accidents" with that gun but kept using it.. And probably still use it to this day..
It is easier to blame others for our own failures than it is to admit that we don't have what it takes.
considering how many more shells are used by both groups, it can be possible they would see more problems.
This was an ND, you can see his finger on the trigger when he jumps out.
@@covinaca5312 "shells"? Bub, these are pistols, not shotguns, and most LEOs qualify once a year on their sidearms with less rounds fired than an average gun-guy's MONTHLY AT MOST trip to the range. No offense to my brothers in blue, but I don't trust 99% of any human with a firearm, let alone cops who are not going above and beyond to train on their own (which most aren't).
Also the only competitive shooter I've seen who ND'd his 320 took a selfie of his leg afterwards, in which you can clearly see that his jelly rolls pushed his shirttail untucked and into his holster- where the shirttail pressed the VERY NICE and VERY SHORT trigger of the P320.
The 320 is like a Ferrari- most people would wreck themselves in 2min behind the wheel. It takes training, familiarity, experimentation and RESPECT- most 21st Century folk aren't going to do that, and should be carrying big double action only peices as a result.
Everyone, go frame by frame (using the comma and period buttons), at 1:24 you can see that his (middle ?) finger is inside the trigger guard. This was a negligent discharge from pulling the trigger.
Yea, this is crappy reporting.
The video evidence is clear, he pulled the trigger, I dont even know why this is been reported, it doesn’t take much investigative work!!!!
it is not, if you stare to long it will look indistinguishable but in glance its outside not to day he didnt shoot himself its just not caught on camera the actual shooting so anything people will be a guess only ine who knows got shot himself so oh well
@@reefread1234 Bro stop licking that boot, the polish will rot your brain. You can clearly see the trigger guard going underneath his middle finger.
yup
When you’re in high stress situations and it involves firearms, you have to remain calm and mindful of what you’re doing.
Easier said than done I’m sure.
@dotstuff4167 - You learned that at your job at Taco Bell?
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@@jameylane1591 Don't assume that someone can't back up what they say because they're behind a screen.
@@jameylane1591 typical punk comment.
He pulled the trigger while getting it out of his holster. People need to train more with weapons they carry.
Look at 1:23-1:24, go frame by frame (using the period and comma keys), you can see his finger is inside the trigger guard.
@taylorgalilea698 his trigger finger is on the slide of the gun. Possibly could have his middle finger in there tho but you can't see that in the video.
@@danielchrist8651 Yes you can see his finger inside the trigger guard, just follow the frame by frame directions at 1:24 and there is ONE frame that clearly shows his middle finger on the trigger.
Especially the police!!!
it wasnt, the middle finger was in motion completing the grip, the motion that was captured was before forming a grip in wich pinky, ring finger and then middle finger completes the grip, i had the gun apart myself, the sear engagement clearance is very minimal, meaning the striker can release if gun is bumped, not all 320's but a lot of them had the clearance off spec, the armorer in this video is not showing that fact but he should have mention the sear, because of the rush contracts they had flaws in the design, so even though most dont go off with bumps it doesnt mean every experience is the fault of the ouner and the first design even just the mass of the trigger and a bump did set them off even proven by armorers brave enough to call out Sig, but hard core Sig guys who used them and sold them where cowards not to call their favorite gun brand out being the cult type loyalty to the brand
It just so happened to go off when he was touching it...crazy.
Look at 1:23-1:24, go frame by frame (using the period and comma keys), you can see his finger is inside the trigger guard.
I mean, as someone who does a lot of shooting with pistols I can attest to the fact that negligent discharges are prone to happen at a much higher rate during two activities: Holstering and Un-Holstering. The fact he was doing one of those activities makes me lean very much toward this being negligent and not the guns fault. I don't own any sigs currently but have before and they are great guns but the 320 does have a little bit of sketchiness around it but related to drops of the firearm.
TLDR: he shot himself.
@@libra7624 1:53
The Heckler and Koch "squeeze cocker" shot police in their leg all the time!
well said officer
@@libra7624 So you're claiming that the P320 platform is subject to going off when bumped? And, in your expert opinion, the sear clearance is very minimal. That's a new one. Seems to me that sear engagement is a more important factor than sear clearance. How did you measure the "sear clearance?" Was it your expert eyeball micrometer? What specific measurement would be more appropriate? Please provide any evidence that your claim is true, and not simply libel spawned from the imagination of just another self-labeled internet gunsmith.
@@Blakgun the middle finger was in motion completing the grip, the motion that was captured was before forming a grip in wich pinky, ring finger and then middle finger completes the grip, i had the gun apart myself, the sear engagement clearance is very minimal, meaning the striker can release if gun is bumped, not all 320's but a lot of them had the clearance off spec, the armorer in this video is not showing that fact but he should have mention the sear, because of the rush contracts they had flaws in the design, so even though most dont go off with bumps it doesnt mean every experience is the fault of the ouner and the first design even just the mass of the trigger and a bump did set them off even proven by armorers brave enough to call out Sig, but hard core Sig guys who used them and sold them where cowards not to call their favorite gun brand out being the cult type loyalty to the brand
It's very clear that the cops finger pulled that trigger. Pure Negligence.
evidence shows middle finger not in trigger guard, the middle finger was in motion completing the grip, the motion that was captured was before forming a grip in wich pinky, ring finger and then middle finger completes the grip, i had the gun apart myself, the sear engagement clearance is very minimal, meaning the striker can release if gun is bumped, not all 320's but a lot of them had the clearance off spec, the armorer in this video is not showing that fact but he should have mention the sear, because of the rush contracts they had flaws in the design, so even though most dont go off with bumps it doesnt mean every experience is the fault of the ouner and the first design even just the mass of the trigger and a bump did set them off even proven by armorers brave enough to call out Sig, but hard core Sig guys who used them and sold them where cowards not to call their favorite gun brand out being the cult type loyalty to the brand
your seeing in the frame what doesnt exist, middle finger wasnt in trigger guard, the middle finger was in motion completing the grip, the motion that was captured was before forming a grip in wich pinky, ring finger and then middle finger completes the grip
@@libra7624 yeah it was definitely inside the trigger guard and thus gripping the gun meant pulling the trigger
@@phillipsmith8 your seeing in the frame what doesnt exist, middle finger wasnt in trigger guard, the middle finger was in motion completing the grip, the motion that was captured was before forming a grip in wich pinky, ring finger and then middle finger completes the grip
@@jolosarmiento24 your seeing in the frame what doesnt exist, middle finger wasnt in trigger guard, the middle finger was in motion completing the grip, the motion that was captured was before forming a grip in wich pinky, ring finger and then middle finger completes the grip
His middle finger is in the trigger guard
Pause it at 1:53 once the gun gets into frame
There's been endless tests that have been conducted, and it's been proven to be safe... So yea, officers pulled the trigger
They did have issues before the recall where under the perfect conditions they would fire when dropped but that was years ago and there is absolutely no reason this cop should have had one of the models with the defective trigger pack it was completely free to have fixed.
@@DrCarlBoozeeven then, it was only at a very specific angle drop onto the rear sight. And with the newer, lighter triggers being released, the issue almost disappears, if not entirely.
Correct and I’m a Glock guy 😂
Look at 1:23-1:24, go frame by frame (using the period and comma keys), you can see his finger is inside the trigger guard.
Wrong.
“And any gun in Alec’s hands!!!” 😂😂😂😂😂😂. He stuck that comment in there so brilliantly! I bet most people missed it!
When this was first reported, it was claimed that the gun fired while in the holster and the holster was bumped while exiting the car. Here we see his finger is on the trigger. These guns have a light trigger pull so it would be easy for something like this to happen especially when amped up.
Actually you can clearly see his finger indexed along the slide of the weapon. At 2:00
Clearly the index finger is along the slide which is proper handling. This is NOT a ND.
@@dylonjackson8863 from 1:23-1:24 use the period and comma keys. you can clearly see his middle finger on the trigger.
@@nate2822 no you can’t. You’re imagining things because you are likely a Sig owner. They’re the only ones that can’t see the reality of Sig’s terrible quality control. Ron Cohen is a convicted arms dealer in Germany and nearly ran Kimber into the ground with terrible quality control. He’s well known for using the public to beta test his products. Kimber got smart, hopefully Sig will do the same.
@@trentondjudy i aint reading all that but you can def see it tho
He didn't drop it. He shot himself.
Look at 1:23-1:24, go frame by frame (using the period and comma keys), you can see his finger is inside the trigger guard.
If he were an expert, he would have never said Sig is the most reliable gun on the planet. Sig does not make the most reliable gun on the planet. Period
The biggest clue is that it discharged during the draw. Not when holstered and undisturbed not when drawn and pointing. The draw and reholster are likely times for a negligent discharge.
Look at 1:23-1:24, go frame by frame (using the period and comma keys), you can see his finger is inside the trigger guard.
working as a medic in an inner city when responding to a shooting and staging down the street i witnessed a police officer exit his vehicle with his weapon drawn- as he turned to run down the street his weaponed fired he killed the sidewalk-it was a classic under pressure negligent discharge --by the way it was a glock
wait, did he kill the sidewalk or kill a person?
The gun clearly went off by itself. lol. (They blamed Glock with the whole "glock leg" thing back then too. Of course, now we Know that Glocks don't just go off on their own... but that didn't stop all the people that had ND's from blaming the gun... and even suing the company).
evidence shows middle finger not in trigger guard, the middle finger was in motion completing the grip, the motion that was captured was before forming a grip in wich pinky, ring finger and then middle finger completes the grip, i had the gun apart myself, the sear engagement clearance is very minimal, meaning the striker can release if gun is bumped, not all 320's but a lot of them had the clearance off spec, the armorer in this video is not showing that fact but he should have mention the sear, because of the rush contracts they had flaws in the design, so even though most dont go off with bumps it doesnt mean every experience is the fault of the ouner and the first design even just the mass of the trigger and a bump did set them off even proven by armorers brave enough to call out Sig, but hard core Sig guys who used them and sold them where cowards not to call their favorite gun brand out being the cult type loyalty to the brand
R.I.P. the sidewalk
@@libra7624 the thing is when did he bump the gun? All he did was draw it he was almost out of the vehicle when it went off.
When a gun is in a holster it is pointed at your thigh or leg or ankle or foot ..so to say a gun should never be pointing at something it shouldn’t destroy , is unwise.
the P320 is one of my favorites. They all fire when the trigger is squeezed. His finger is noticeably inside the trigger guard.
I pretty sure officers are trained well. If they have this problem, most citizens will have it too.
@@Iennal As an LEO myself, you would be surprised at some of the training I've seen.
@@Iennal good one lol
If you look closely at 0:18 and slow down the video you can clearly see his index finger on the slide and his middle finger in the trigger guard directly on a trigger. Another proof P320 did not just shoot itself. Seriously play frame by frame and you will see for yourself.
How is the cop supposed to point the gun in a "safe direction" when it's in the holster? No other guns have this "alleged" issue.
He literally pulled the trigger as he unholstered it.
Look at 1:23-1:24, go frame by frame (using the period and comma keys), you can see his finger is inside the trigger guard.
Discharges in his hand. He had control of the weapon. He caused it. He discharged it before he had exited the vehicle fully. He was multitasking. He tripped either due to the ND, or the ND was in part caused by tripping among other motions. Something to take note of. Practice drawing in vehicle, and while exiting.
nah p320s go off randomly all the time. there was one that just went off in a guys holster
Once again, the "expert" manages to flag himself more times in a single short video clip that all the rest of us do in a lifetime. Anytime someone tells you that they are an expert, be extra cautious. They are likely lying and dangerous.
What was up with Cueball expert man breathing issue? Anyone else catch that??
Oh come on. You're being so ridiculous lol
@@TheTuttle99 Ah, you must be an expert.
He didn’t flag himself you basement larper!
He made sure his guns were unloaded before demonstrating and if you are crying about him having one of his fingers at the end of the barrel for a split second? keep crying.. he was just making sure everything was in view for the camera so yeah he’s gonna hold it at a odd angle to make sure everything is in view.
The gun had it's entire life to go off by itself.... But waited for this poor cops most stressful event to just "bam" let him have it.
😆 right!
Well put 😂😂😂
I literally LOL'ed when he quickly paused and said (Alec) when he was talking about pointing a gun. That was hilarious.
OMG! I miss'd it tha 1st time! GOAAAAAL!!!! 😂
Its not funny. Alec and his anger management problem murdered that woman and got away with it. Its disgusting. They dropped charges against him.
With the lighter trigger on the P320, Sig should sell these with holsters designed to keep the slide open a bit until drawn. Then holstered NDs would be forever ruled out. I think using Glocks with 5lb triggers for years makes cops careless with trigger contact.
He needs sued for shooting himself.
Bro you need proper grammar befor saying something you make no sense
Not sure how he gets sued for it. He can be fired and laughed at for causing a negligent discharge. There’s nothing that can warrant him being sued
@@johnwiz4460 ...and taking a bullet has to be bad enough. He may be sued if he commits slander/libel against SIG and blames them and their gun design for the shooting, but proof exists that he KNEW that the shooting was really his own fault (like if he shot himself on accident by grabbing the trigger with his middle finger like so many people are claiming).
Ya this cop definitely slipped his finger into the trigger slot
And you 100% know this???
If you step through the video there is a frame right after the gun goes off where there is clearly a finger well inside the trigger guard. It kinda looks like it's his middle finger not his index finger.
@@darikdatta yup i see that too. open and shut after seeing that haha.
@@JesusDied4U-n9v did we not see the same video?
@@xslayer14 yes
It’s my understanding nobody has been able to replicate this problem in a controlled environment
Negligence. Gun don't shoot by themselves, especially a sig.
100% had his finger on the trigger.
1:53 Crazy how he just happened to put his middle finger on the trigger after the gun "went off by itself".
your seeing in the frame what doesnt exist, middle finger wasnt in trigger guard, the middle finger was in motion completing the grip, the motion that was captured was before forming a grip in wich pinky, ring finger and then middle finger completes the grip
That upgrade has been around for quite a while now.
My brother got his done by Sig over a year ago.
Why would any police dept issue one that hasn't?
Not sure if they did. They said it was issued in 2014, so it might have been... but most people are saying that he grabbed the gun wrong and had his middle finger in the trigger guard. (not the guns fault).
I have a 320 that I daily carried for 3 years. Kept it securely holstered in the dash of the truck bouncing around while driving, taking it out putting it in, etc. always one in the pipe… no issues at all.
That proves absolutely nothing.
If this truly is not a negligent discharge on the behalf of the officer, than This pistol should be immediately be recalled from all enforcement, professional and private use!!!
Good way to kill one's self killed, a bystander killed, a coworker killed, Etc... Etc...
Especially due to the fact that it could get the responding officer and department in a whole heap of trouble. Just imagine if the officer who was accidentally shot by his own pistol.. Imagine if his partner misconstrued the shot as coming from the suspect. His partner could have potentially kill the suspect thinking the shot came from them!!!!!!!
There are rules of firearms safety that have to be broken for a negligent discharge. We all make mistakes especially in high-stress situations. Some hurt more than others. I hope the officer heals quickly.
Clarification-for a negligent discharge to injure someone.
Note that this particular gun is well-known for having supposed malfunctions. These are (allegedly) uninitiated discharges, not accidental discharges. No rules of firearms safety protect against that in a real-world scenario. I'm not sure that's what happened here, but it is the claim.
nah p320s go off randomly all the time. there was one that just went off in a guys holster
@@ghostbirdlary Absolutely. I own 5; and they just randomly move about and shoot at each other - sitting on my shelf. Periodically, they leave a note asking me to refill them...
Only firearm currently being made - that is ALIVE - and no trigger pull is required to have it decide to shoot.
Steve Wolfe says "do not point any weapon at anything you do not want to destroy"...and then points it at his own hand multiple times. Awesome!
A sign of the times. Nobody accepts responsibility for their actions. It’s much easier to blame someone, or in this case something, else. Sig has proven time and time again that the P320 can’t fire on its own. I’ve put over 5000 rounds through mine and it’s never once tried to kill me.
...and all the accusers 1 by 1 have been proven to be at fault for causing the negligent discharges... but nobody seems to care. They think that being accused somehow equals guilt... and then when evidence comes out to prove them wrong, they never hear it (because they would rather remain Willingly Ignorant). 30 out of over 3 Million is only a 1 in 100,000 fail rate... but with most of them being proven to be the fault of the owner/operator, that number drops to 1 in 1 Million. That's if we ASSUME that the unproven one's were the fault of the firearm though, which there is no evidence to back that up. With such a low failure rate, it could very well be one of the safest firearms you can buy.
thats still a very small sample size for this sort of issue... plus the issue is with it not being drop safe... the worst 320 in the world could shoot a million rounds as long as its not dropped
Sig literally put a statement full of lies about holster type with the one accidental discharge (suspect looks like kicks holstered weapon in police station). They also claim that there is no proof that they go off without pulling the trigger, which is another lie because there are a bunch of videos of dropping/tapping back of pistol with hammer to get it to go off. Now this case... I dunno. But it is pretty much a fact that sig is shady and not to be trusted.
@@user-ky4jp8jf2p dont forget they charged their customers to repair the drop firing issue claiming the corrected part was actually an 'optional upgrade' and didnt issue a recall on their pistol
I have had my Sig 320 for years and I have never been worried about it randomly going off. This has to be negligence.
I own a Sig P-232. I have carried that gun every day for at least 30 years. It has never had any kind of malfunction in all that time. And I do fire it frequently. I had to get an extractor spring replaced once. But I think I broke that cleaning it some how...
nah p320s go off randomly all the time. there was one that just went off in a guys holster
@@ghostbirdlary yeah and that guy probably didn’t take care of his weapon. I carry my 320 on duty, and have for years. As the firearms instructor I shoot all the time. This thing has never even jammed or malfunctioned in any way bc it’s properly taken care of
@@officerrebar3839 just because your unit doesnt malfunction doesnt mean others dont. and they dropped new 320s and they went off so
@@ghostbirdlaryit's nah boy again. Trolling the inter webs spreading misinformation. Listen guy when willfully being ignorant on the matter despite the truth it's misinformation and you'll get flagged for it.
There’s no design flaw anymore. They already recalled it. It’s literally crystal clear in this video. He pulled the trigger. It’s in the video.
There never was a design flaw its a cop design flaw. I mean they hardly even train with their firearms and most of the ones I have cleaned are nasty and obviously never cleaned.
it wasnt, the middle finger was in motion completing the grip, the motion that was captured was before forming a grip in wich pinky, ring finger and then middle finger completes the grip, i had the gun apart myself, the sear engagement clearance is very minimal, meaning the striker can release if gun is bumped, not all 320's but a lot of them had the clearance off spec, the armorer in this video is not showing that fact but he should have mention the sear, because of the rush contracts they had flaws in the design, so even though most dont go off with bumps it doesnt mean every experience is the fault of the ouner and the first design even just the mass of the trigger and a bump did set them off even proven by armorers brave enough to call out Sig, but hard core Sig guys who used them and sold them where cowards not to call their favorite gun brand out being the cult type loyalty to the brand
@@Irishjay1025 I think it was a design flaw. I have SIGs back on the whole P320 ND thing, because the evidence is on their side... but the original design was flawed in my opinion. They couldn't just go off from being dropped or struck, but they were also able to fire out of battery.
Mine has been upgraded from sig
@@Irishjay1025LOL. Yes it was a design flaw.
That gun is just a POS all around but fanboys will be fanboys.
the fact people talk about cops like they have more knowledge on firearms then a normal citizen really amazes me when we continue to see incidents like this happening.
Sounds like operator error, not equipment failure. It’s easier to blame the equipment instead of taking responsibility for a negligent discharge.
Look at 1:23-1:24, go frame by frame (using the period and comma keys), you can see his finger is inside the trigger guard.
There are documented instances of this gun firing by itself though…
That is what we call "Glock Leg".
Around here we call it Plaxico Burress .
"Sig makes the most reliable firearms on the planet." - really? By what standard? Solid on the main point, though. The operator is responsible for the weapon and any negligent discharge thereof.
"Waste no more time arguing what a good man can be. Be one." - Marcus Aurelius
I just took the course for my CCW and am about to apply this week for it. I really appreciate all the firearm explanation videos I see popping up on RUclips lately. Keep educating the public, even if it involves negligence! 🙏
" I need a Tourniquet " THE QUESTION Now is WHY DONT YOU HAVE ONE ON YOUR DUTY BELT!!!
Is the Model the upgraded version ?
@@1olddirtroad that’s what I was wondering too. I thought they normally carried that on their person. Yeah it’d be interesting to see what version he had and if his finger was the trigger.
@@dexterer His finger was on the trigger. If you step through a frame at a time there is a frame where you can see it.
You need to take a course, Pass then PAY to get a License to be “ Allowed “ to exercise your Second Amendment Right?
Welcome to the world of carrying! Learn as much as you can and train often. As for this video, my CCW instructor has been carrying the Sig P320 for several years and swears by it. This was clearly a negligent discharge while unholstering.
I just bought myself a sig Sauer p320 x but so far I haven't had any problems I really like this gun
The Sig P320 had a few drop issues very early on. They fixed it 100% with later runs and it's one of the best platforms on the market now along with the P365 platforms. This wasn't a gun that went off by itself, keep your boogiepickers away from the trigger area until your ready to rock.
Yea, people are just trying to get out of trouble and blame it on the gun at this point. I carry my P365X with confidence, because I keep my finger off the trigger, works great lol
@@phillipsmith8 I dont doubt that, they are mass produced, tooling gets worn down, and tolerances get looser than they should be at times.
fixed it 100%? It was a voluntary recall and only 15% of people sent them in. fanboys smh.
@@masterofreality230p365 isn’t the same as a p320 which is known to have problems… p365s are great.
@@Woodland_Warrior Most people didn't send them in as, if you handle the gun properly, it isn't an issue. With that said, Sig offered to fix it for free and all new models were modified. So yeah, fixed 100%. In this case, it looked like the officer had his finger on the trigger - there was no discharge after being dropped, so it is unrelated to the original issue anyway.
I've tried, under controlled conditions, to get my 320 to fire unintentionally. It's been dropped, bounced, and hit repeatedly with a piece of wood. So far, I have not been able to get it to fire. The gun has been reliable and accurate. I hope SIG gets this issue resolved soon.
Not all sigs will fire unintentionally. But the issue is there are many that do. It’s a manufacturing defect. A recall if you may. This is why you buy Glock for piece of mind. Just my opinion. You never hear of a Glock firing unintentionally have you?
@@riceballs4380 S&W 9mm Shield ❤USA
@@riceballs4380 Police around the world are experiencing unintentional discharge with Glocks every day, of course it's NOT because of design flaws but trigger discipline which is likely what happened here. SIG also fix the issue ages ago already and people somehow just hate the P320.
So unless the cop bought the gun before they announce the recall and for some reason never heard of the issue it is unlikely a gun issue but a human error.
@@riceballs4380 Yes. Glock went thru the same things when the 17 became popular in the late 80s. This is absolutely nothing new.
Look at 1:23-1:24, go frame by frame (using the period and comma keys), you can see his finger is inside the trigger guard.
That was a negligent discharge. His finger was in the trigger guard. I have three Sig 320's, not updated with the voluntary upgrade, and absolutely no issues, no negligent discharges. I find it funny the officers last name is the as the Sig guy
Officer mashed the trigger. Unintended discharge is scary but don't blame the gun. I hope the officer recovers fully.
the p320 has known issues with the striker. while rare, sometimes it CAN be the gun’s fault…
@@Woodland_Warrior Had. An Issue. Solved years ago. Stop blaming the gun.
@Stars 'n Stripes 1:24 super slow mo....you can literally see about and inch and a halkf of finger INSIDE the trigger guard.....
nah p320s go off randomly all the time. there was one that just went off in a guys holster
I really like the armorer talking about not pointing firearms at things you don't want destroyed while repeatedly allowing his fingers, hand, and arm to cross in front of the barrel, in addition to briefly pointing just below the camera at one point.
My point isn't actually to be overly critical but to stress how easily one can violate safety rules without realizing it. It only takes a fraction of a second for things to go wrong.
Agreed 😂 I understand the point he's trying to make, but when you're putting out info on the subject to people who don't know about the subject it can be an issue. Maybe going with the whole never put your finger(s) on the trigger until you're ready to fire would have been a better point choice of point 😂
It's an unloaded firearm. You clearly don't know much about fire arms .
@@randy1469 this is the worst excuse for flagging something. I wonder who really knows what in these comments
@@excellent_name I work in the firearms industry
Just like the thousands of cleared firearms at range people taking them out of holster to find a new holster or to show gun Smith. The amount of ammo they get from that is Ludacris. Always treat a firearm as if it's loaded even if you just saw it cleared. Goes back to the first rule never point a firearm that you don't want to destroy.
NDs are and have always been common in law enforcement. 90+% of these are not emergency related. They occur in the locker room, parking lot, on the range and unfortunately in the home. I've seen more than a few fellow officers blow the bottom of their holster in the locker room, on the street or the range. NDs were just as common with revolvers. When I first got started in law enforcement in the late 70's revolvers were still common issue. The pistol was just starting to gain popularity. The S&W 39 + 59 models were popular on the west cost first. LAPD SWAT carried Colt 1911A1 pistols and the FBI HRT a custom Browning HI Power. Law enforcement officers are thought of as highly trained professionals with firearms, ain't so, at least half of them struggling every time they need to qualify to meet a minimum standard of proficiency to keep working. The average cop just isn't a gun person, that's not why they got into the profession. I grew up with guns and shooting. The closest thing I've ever had to an ND in 60 years of gun handling as a kid, as a Cop, Marine, armed professional was once during a bowling pin shoot I fired my first round just before the buzzer sounded to start the match. It cost me a pin, but I still did well overall. As an instructor I've seen things on ranges that would curl your toes. Just goes with the job.
I sincerely hope that this Copper recovers and gets back to work ASAP. I've been shot before, it SUCKS but not by myself.
Yeah, nowadays, because of the early slide rear-impact issue, the P320 just becomes a scapegoat. There is another vide that just came out with officers restling with a suspect at the station and one of the officer's P320 pistols go off. However, in looking at the video, it doesn't look like the pistol is secured all of the way into what appears to be an ALS duty holster and it then gets hung up on the duty belt of another officer. At any rate, they immediately came out and blamed the P320 and complained about the cost of having to switch everyone to Glocks.
nah p320s go off randomly all the time. there was one that just went off in a guys holster
what do you mean common? theres like half a million cops in the usa and usa cops also have to use guns alot more.
i have the same gun and have had no issues what so ever , mine is a m17 p320 full size same one the military use. that being said my p320 is only a couple years old, i own 4 other hand guns and the p320 is the best at the range with accuracy and feels great to shoot.
Of over 3 Million sold, there has been problems with about 30 of them... but of those 30, we know that most of them have been proven to be the fault of the owner/operator. Only a few are "unproven", but even if we assumed they were all the fault of the gun (which would go against the evidence), then that would be a 1 in a MILLION failure rate. I would bet that's even better than Glock or any other gun company or model. People just want to assume guilt though and repeat lies as fact, even they really have no clue what they're talking about. I can't say what happened in this case. Many people are saying that his finger was in the trigger guard, but I'm gonna have to go back and take a better look myself).
It's not only officer safety but the suspect's safety too.
You can see other officers think the suspect has a weapon due to this discharge.
From the footage, looks and sounds like he is NOT SURPRISED and KNOWS he SHOT HIMSELF
The cops themselves are more dangerous than the guns.
Oh, HOW MANY TIMES have we seen where an officer takes the first shot, which leads immediately to ALL THE OTHER COPS mag-dumping!
@@kentuckybowl-o-sticks "Sympathetic fire" and "reflexive fire". They sometimes even do it, just because a loud sound sets them off. Some call it "contagious shooting" too.
@@deucedeuce1572 Yep... the problem is when they mistake it for the PERP firing, especially when the perp turns out to be unarmed.
The more surprising thing here is that he was carrying a gun that *wasn't* a Glock.
The supposed expert muzzled his own hand several times after talking about the importance of never allowing the muzzle to point at anything the user doesn't want to destroy.
I noticed and commented about that too. The dudes not an expert; just an old fudd who prefers old guns.
They were certainly cleared before the interview
@@Alex24357 I imagine they were, but that's no excuse. There's a reason that most sets of gun safety rules start with something like "treat all guns as if they're loaded at all times". A lot of people have accidentally fired a gun they were sure wasn't loaded, even people experienced with firearms.
Someone presenting as an expert on firearms should demonstrate safe handling.
"The 320 and any other in Alec's hand are the most dangerous" 💀 ☠️ 💀 SAVAGE
He will never live this down
I own the 320 X10 the trigger is very good on it. I’d guess around 3 lbs I could see it being easy to negligent discharge. No issues with it “firing” by itself.
Pure negligence!
Shot himself with his own gun😂
Finger off the trigger, finger off the trigger
@Salty Thug2 that's not what happened here.
@@JesusDied4U-n9v If thats what you think you havent googled hard enough
Under stress it is a natural reaction to clench fingers into a fist, this has happened with seasoned shooters/officers. It also happens when people trip, or fall, and it appeared he was out of balance, or slipped before the shot was fired. Light trigger pulls on guns without safeties results in negligent discharges under certain conditions. This is the reason the US Calvary demanded a safety when Colt submitted the 1910 to them, Colt then added the thumb safety and the model 1911 was born. Even with that the training for the 1911 upon it's adoption was to be carried with a round in the chamber, with the hammer down. Years later that was changed to an empty chamber. Anybody who has shot competition has had an unintentional double tap with custom guns because of the light pulls. Usually it just results in a miss, sometimes it happens so fast the shooter does not even know they shot two rounds instead of one.
@Walking Wolf exactly. I had my 22lr trigger down to 5oz and had an AD. The tripod front leg slipped and that was all she wrote.
Ya it’s the only way these go off apparently 🤦♂
This cop was pulling it out the holster when it went off. He deff pulled the trigger by accident and is blaming the gun to avoid embarrassment. Glock had the same problem. Cops aren’t good with guns most times. Sig made this trigger too light without any external safety’s. Guns not great but it can’t shoot on its own.
You know these claims have been made hundreds of times by many different individuals yea? Not just cops. Sig even went out of their way to address the claims, and of course they investigated themselves and found that they weren't doing anything wrong and the p320 is actually the greatest gun ever created. I'm sure hundreds of millions in government contracts and the fact that everyone carrying a sidearm in the US armed forces will be carrying a variant of the p320 has nothing to do with it. Spend some time looking around, its been replicated a number of times, provided those videos haven't been buried. When struck the correct way with the right amount of force, the trigger never needs to be touched. Several drop tests showing the firearm discharging from a hip height drop. Sig has too much money invested to back down, the best you could hope for is a middle of the night trip to the factory and a minor tweak in future models, and maybe that's already done. It doesn't change what reality already is with this firearm and the models floating around out there already.
Bro "and any gun in Alex's hands" ROLLED ME 😂
can't wait for the PD to sue Sig for their own errors again
Sig won a case last week for same old BS Sig won when these officers are used to lying and they find Themselves put under oath their story seems to Change ?Police aren't very Firearm knowledgeble They do not use them often they are not shooters ?
My guess is that he accidentally hit the trigger while drawing, as he was in a stressful situation and simultaneously jumping out of his cruiser - it's really easy to slip up when things are that chaotic. It could also be that the holster it was in might have had some kind of issue, though I'm not so sure about that. Sometimes, with fully-leather or nylon cloth holsters, the holster material can start to bend over time, and potentially fold over into the trigger guard and present a safety issue. There also was the problem with Serpa holsters where a release paddle on the holster meant to retain the gun was causing users to shoot themselves, because to draw the gun, they would have to press that paddle on the holster - but in doing so, it put their finger right where the trigger would be, and if they maintained that pressure as the gun came up out of the holster, their finger would slip onto the trigger and pull it.
I think the P320, with Sig's safety upgrade, in a proper kydex holster, with no release paddle over the trigger guard, is plenty safe to carry. And if this really did happen because the officer accidentally pulled his trigger, any other striker model with no manual safety (glock 17, S&W M&P series, etc.) would've done the same thing.
I have to side with the armorer featured here in that I like an external hammer. My daily carry is a CZ 75 compact. When I draw, I like to keep my thumb over the hammer so I can directly feel the status of it. If something went wrong, I could feel the hammer moving, and potentially prevent it from moving through its full range of motion. If you're going to use a striker model, trigger discipline and holster choice is beyond vital.
I also have to wonder if the officer didn't have a tourniquet of his own. Having noticed that he asked another officer for one. I could understand if he just wasn't in the condition to apply it himself, but if he didn't even have one on him, that seems... Less than ideal. I used to carry one all the time when I used to work in security. Thankfully never needed it, but you never know.
Train hard and often, know your gear, get a current gen CAT or SOF-T tourniquet and keep it on you. A little inconvenience now, way less heartache later.
Look at 1:23-1:24, go frame by frame (using the period and comma keys), you can see his finger is inside the trigger guard.
I was going to use a serpa style holster. When practicing, the finger too often ended up in the trigger guard. That was just practicing. Now try it under stress.
@@fredbecker607 I have a Serpa. Same thing happened to me in practice. Every once in a while my finger seemed to find it's way to where it didn't belong. Not often, but sometimes.
I don't use that Serpa anymore.
@@fredbecker607 They changed the design of the holsters, so the finger is no longer over the trigger guard, but is over the slide. With that said though, I tried one and my finger still ended up in the trigger guard (when I intentionally pushed by bending my finger like some people might to). If you keep your finger straight though, you can easily push the button without your finger going anywhere near the trigger.
your seeing in the frame what doesnt exist, middle finger wasnt in trigger guard, the middle finger was in motion completing the grip, the motion that was captured was before forming a grip in wich pinky, ring finger and then middle finger completes the grip
I like how the firearms expert states that all this could be avoided if you maintain muzzle awareness then proceeds to flag his arm/hand on multiple occasions lol (I think some were more the camera angle but a couple were 100% flagging himself)
I was just waiting for him to call his mag a "clip".
I was thinking the same thing.
Its really easy to flag things with a hand gun, thats why trigger discipline is really important.
@@masterofreality230 I agree, especially in a high stress kinetic environment. I just thought it was ironic. That said, he should have started the segment showing the weapon was clear and tbh it would have been easy enough for him to avoid flagging himself in that situation, wouldve been better if he turned to the side and did stuff the normal way
@@kevinmiller5051 what’s the problem with that?
I carried an M17 (Military P320) in the Army for 5 years and never had a single malfunction. Mine was the same gun, just a different color.
But you have a manual safety on your military issued, the p320 don't have a manual safety, so different firearm. When your holster the manual safety is on that's when most of these report discharge are happening.
@Jaime Joseph The P320 has a manual safety model as well from what I have researched. Now, if the model without that is still f**kin up and drop firing, SIG needs to get on that ASAP, cuz its been few years since they released that pistol.
This is why all my pistols are Beretta with hammer -never striker- with a safety that rolls away the firing pin.
IDK...I recall when it was first issued that there was a drop-safety issue that Sig addressed by their voluntary recall program. This was years ago. I saw the cop's finger in the trigger guard and believe that he caused it to fire unintentionally. I've been using Sigs, including the P320 for a long time and have never had this happen. Could it be that he messed up and decided to report that the gun, which everyone known was subject to a recall upon first issue, was at fault?
His index finger was not in the trigger guard, idk what you saw, but the video showed the opposite. I had a buddy of mine, where his P320 went off in his holster, so it’s entirely possible this was a mechanical issue.
The trigger guard on the p320 is massive compared to other weapons like the Glock 19... I own both... Its easy for your finger to slip and get inside or a piece of clothing to get caught up inside when holstering or unholstering... There is nothing wrong with the mechanics of the actual gun, and nearly all of these discharges are due to negligence.
nah p320s go off randomly all the time. there was one that just went off in a guys holster
@@ghostbirdlary if you're referring to the cop, no it didn't go off on its own. Yankee Marshall made a good video about it
@@ghostbirdlary No, no p320 has ever gone off in it's holster, try again....
@@coryboy345 guy bent over and it went off with his hand not even on it so
@@ghostbirdlary Then the trigger hit a piece of the holster or clothing... The gun does NOT shoot on it's own. This has been tested and investigated for years now, and police and military still consider this gun a top benchmark service pistol.
Middle finger in the trigger guard as he exits the vehicle…
" Alec baldwin theory "
*Valid in New Mexico only.
Three items in the weapon have to fail all at once before the P320 will fire without pulling the trigger: the sear (both primary and secondary ledges must fail), the firing pin safety block, and either the trigger bar or safety lever. There are other safety features that function such as the takedown lever and trigger bar disconnect, but these features only apply to firing when out of battery.
Exactly, while not a gun expert, I own them, and after studying them, they cannot fire without pulling the trigger. I see no way this can happen.
@@chuckmiller5763it’s literally on video happening. also when being dropped. sig even acknowledged it.
@@Woodland_Warrior What video? this one? The drop issue was fixed years ago.
@@chuckmiller5763They literally have already had one recall because they were firing on their own. The design is trash
@@JA-oo9qp liar.
The biggest problem here is that rule number one was ignored. Mechanical devices can and do fail; that's why the first rule is to always keep your gun pointed in a safe direction.
I carry a p320, never had any issues personally. However my weapon was manufactured AFTER sig identified the issue causing this misfire issue. When this gun launched originally YEARS ago and sig owned their defect, they issued a recall program to get your weapon fix for free. It would be interesting to know whether or not this gun is from the prefix manufacturing runs, and if this department sent their weapons to be swapped out/fixed.
It should be noted that it was not a mandatory recall, but it was advertised as a voluntary upgrade.
They never fixed this. They fixed a drop safety issue. This issue is a problem with the recoil spring.
This exact situation is a ND however.
Forgotten weapons made a great video on that. The issue was not random firing but a drop safety that was not 100% and had a miniscule chance of firing when dropped - which was not the issue in the video
Look at 1:23-1:24, go frame by frame (using the period and comma keys), you can see his finger is inside the trigger guard.
There is a frame @1:24 where you can clearly see a finger on the trigger right after the gun goes off.
..and it looks like it's his second finger, not his index finger, like he grabbed the gun all wrong when he tried to draw it.
This looks more like poor training than any issue with the firearm.
You can't make speculation off a single frame. The gun is defective. Are all the other people that reported the same gun being defective wrong too? A lot of brain power was used to create your comment, I'm sure of it.
At least he couldnt blame any innocent person for shooting him, great there are bodycams 👍
That's why the cop is suing his finger and the gun manufacturer!!
@@cutterhasthevision yes everyone who shot themselves with the p320 was negligent
@@cutterhasthevision Normally I'd agree but all of the other claims were from years ago when the model first came out, which Sig has since fixed (So they say). Which I'd generally think to be true. The guy here did have his finger on the trigger shown in that frame. Not a smart move.
The gun expert was so bad 😂 Glocks have been around for 40 years, and they’re striker fired. You don’t need a hammer (DA) to have a gun that doesn’t go off by itself. Whether nor not the P320 has a design flaw - I don’t know. Also, the Army version (M17) has an external manual safety, but not the law enforcement versions. In the video, the guy had already unholstered, so going off “by itself” wouldn’t be my first guess here.
I love how this guy takes any chance he gets to call out Alec Baldwin😂 RIP to the camerawoman who was killed in all seriousness
I'm wondering did they charge the gun with the attempted murder of a police officer or maybe they charged the person they were chasing
On a serious note the person they were chasing may legitimately be charged with a crime in regards to this injury, there's a lot of laws such as "Felony Murder" which lay unintended consequences of a crime at the criminal's feet if it occurs during the commission of a separate felony. For example, if a police officer crashes his car while chasing a bank robber and dies, in many states the robber is liable for first degree murder because a "reasonable man" could see the inherent risk that someone could die or be injured as a direct or indirect result of the crime they were committing (Robbery, then high speed chase). By committing the crime despite that risk, they premeditated the actions which led to someone's death, which = 1st degree murder.
Personally I agree with this law. Criminals should be liable for unintended consequences of their illegal actions.
CARELESS NEGLENCE ON BEHALF OF OFFICER!!!! PLAINLY SHOWS GUN IN HAND AND NOT IN HIS HOLSTER AS STATED!!!! HE GOT CARELESS AND USED GIN FOR A SCAPEGOAT!!!!!
Not trying to be “that guy” but their firearms “expert” at 3:29 of the video is holding what appears to be a P365XL or a P365 Macro NOT a P320. The P320 has ambidextrous slide releases, the gun he is holding does not. Not sure how much credibility I would give his opinion when he can’t even get the models correct.
Back when I worked at a gun store, I did my best to assure people that modern pistols' safeties are all internal, and suggest that they avoid anything with an external safety for any self-defense situation - given the immense stress and lack of muscle-memory. The biggest safety is your trigger finger etc. I'd still feel horrible if it turns out I sold a 320 only to learn that the drop safety failed, let alone a non-negligent ND while holstered. I'm a generic Glock guy, but the 320, 320X, 320 Legions, etc, are some of my favorite guns to shoot at the range. Part of me wants to think it was just a "bad batch" of units when I hear about this stuff, but there have been so many clear NDs (non LE-related) for such a modern pistol that it's almost kind of ridiculous. In this case though, we can't be sure from the footage. It would also be believable, given the high stress situation, that it may just be an actual ND. Glad the officer is okay either way.
Could be more first time gun owners with no training ?
I use a Smith & Wesson M&P striker fired 9mm, no problems ever.
Great gun
Sig is the standard that others are judged. But design flaws are possible. I personally think it’s mostly high stress with a hair trigger. My competition pistol has a 2lb trigger. It’s nearly imperceptible. Not wise to draw with a finger on the trigger.
That’s crazy I drove right by this when it happened.
I doubt it
@@jefftraboulsy8631 Okay? Lmao weird flex.
@@mjdetailsgb your comment is the weird flex here lad LMAO
@@CEOFluxii Okay!