Volume Pedal Fundamentals - That Pedal Show
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
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In this episode we explore the basics of using a volume pedal. Now you might think it’s a simple matter of varying your volume from quiet to loud… but as we find out, the specifical placementation of the volume pedal in your signal chain can have radically differentialising effectalisations on the resultifying tones emanating forth from your electronical guitar device, amplficator equipments and effectatious pedallion combinations.
Sothusthreforely we commence by observifacting three common placementisations for the volume pedal, before installising one in the effects loop of the amplifier and finishing with a tremendacious creativising idea from young Daniel Steinhardt of Australia.
Enjoybles!
Pedals in this episode…
• TheGigRig Three2One
www.thegigrig.com/three2one
• Sonic Research ST-300 Turbo Tuner Mini
USA: bit.ly/2AYjob5
Australia: bit.ly/2mR1s8c
• JAM Pedals Rattler
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2vtdFtq
USA: bit.ly/3oP7icx
Australia: bit.ly/3GJehdm
www.jampedals.com/rattler/
• Paul Cochrane Timmy Overdrive
www.rogueguitarshop.com/produ...
• Empress Echo System
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2x5i4z4
Australia: bit.ly/2x0K9K7
• Walrus Audio Fathom Reverb
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2Jxexiz
USA: bit.ly/3DO2yIB
Australia: bit.ly/2JsVFRM
• Electro-Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man
No longer made
• BOSS FV-30H (FV-500H is same spec but physically bigger)
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2HIPV92
USA: bit.ly/3GJbEs0
• DOD FX-17 Wah-Volume
No longer made
• TheGigRig G2
www.thegigrig.com/g2
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Interesting bits and go-to sections…
- Intro playing: 0:00
- Check out our peeps and buy stuff. Please: 1:30
- What are we doing today? 1:45
- High- and low-impedance volume pedals: 2:56
- Pot values and tope end to ground? 4:30
- Today’s board: 5:25
- Today’s amps: 5:38
- Rattler and volume pedal: 6:04 (7:20)
- …compared with the guitar volume pot: 8:56
- Active volume pedal? 10:53
- Volume pedal after overdrive (used as master volume): 13:28
- Direct comparison: volume pedal pedal before and after drive: 14:40
- What about delay and reverb? 16:40
- Volume pedal after gain, but before delay and reverb: 17:38
- Summary of the three main positions so far: 2-:05
- What about FX loops, delay and volume level? 21:30
- Volume pedal in the FX loop of an amp: 24:50
- …and with preamp gain from the amp: 25:45
- …same volume pedal into the front of the amp: 27:11
- High and low impedance, again: 29:08
- Dan’s four-input/two-channel 100 per cent wet volume pedal trick: 30:52
- …and more of that with nice noises: 39:40
- What about the sound of an active (buffered) volume pedal? 42:00 (42:52)
- …and with overdrive: 45:20
Guitars and amps in today’s video:
• Fender American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster - Mick’s video at bit.ly/2cQv3yT
• Fender Custom Shop ’63 Telecaster - Dan’s video at bit.ly/2dlZJ6K
• Fender Hot Rod Deluxe III with standard speaker - No longer made, link to latest version
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2KBwMWc
USA: imp.i114863.net/G9rxk
• Lazy J 20 combo with Celestion Alnico Cream Speaker
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The honk peaks at 95 db, just in case anyone was wondering
The real hero here
@@derekbenton196 The Honk Peaks is a great band name
Haha ... ;)
Was the volume pedal before or after the horn?
I noticed it was a dB meter only seconds before he honked and then saw this peak hahaha
Volume pedals after gain, before delay and reverb, is ambiant heaven.
Travis Griffin I play in an Ambient band and use a Volume pedal in front of everything to get those mean Gain Swells as well. I guess you can use both these methods :D
In a world of Axes and Kempers, it`s good to have That Pedal Show
Mick is the compressor of TPS: he reduces the technical range of Dan. When Dan gets too complicated, he simplifies it, and when Dan doesn't explain enough Mick goes into more detail.
Aw, thanks Charlie. That's what I try to do, and not everybody gets it!
I just watched this video. I get it and I appreciate it! You're a great team and this was a thorough education.
Classic That Pedal Show!!! Take a topic you'd think could be covered in 2 minutes and keep it interesting for 50 minutes. Great episode. Thanks guys!
LMFAO.
They make an art of it, don't they?
I know this show's about volume pedals but I've just got to say - I really love that 'Rattler'. What a cool sound !!
8 minutes in and I've forgotten about the benefits of volume pedals, I'm just hearing the Rattler roar like a V8 engine
Yea I got one because of the Rat video couple weeks ago. It’s gnarly!
@@mattflickinger8151 I must say that I had a check out of them (price wise in Australia and some video reviews ) and I'm thinking of saving my pennies and getting one.
They really do sound killer. Thanks for the personal upvote, cheers.
Don't you just hate climate change. The way it makes you feel the need to appologise for a v8.
Thanks for an update! I had so many questions since the last episode you did with the active Morley pedal. Everyone has varying different opinions and theories about volume pedals and I appreciate your knowledge and input as always.
And so it begins... almost another whole hour of my 4 year old constantly asking me which one is Dan, and which one is Mick..
Same for me and i'm 39. My head mixes them up and they become Man (and) Dick
Good on you. Start them young!
It's like Ant and Dec, Mick's always on the left.
Australi-Dan and Mick-English
An hour on volume pedals? Swell!
... Poor volume pedal joke, I know :(
Bravo!
Dude. I'll take it. Then again, I'm a dad.
That was mint! Well done Sir!
Boom.
Thank you, one and all, hahaha!
I'M LEARNING SO MUCH ABOUT STUFF I DON'T OWN
Guys, that was an outstanding episode. I’ve never used or wanted a volume pedal, but you’ve given so much food for thought here. So much great experience went into this, thanks for sharing!
Who would of thought volume pedals could be so fascinating! the different pots, buffers, tricks you can do with them. Thank you guys!
Cheers guys, more to think about than I thought, if you see what I mean. Just to add, and been meaning to say this for ages, Dans playing is such an asset to the channel. Thankew. :)
Guys,
Thanks again for another stellar sounding and supremely informative video. I've been watching y'all for a little over a year now and I've learned more in that short time than I have in 20 years of playing.
I don't like messing with knobs while I play, but have found the value in riding the volume pot for various applications....so a volume pedal made perfect sense....and did for years until I realized just how much SUCK it provided to my signal. I've found installing a standard treble bleed circuit in my Dunlop mini x volume pedal solved this issue for me. With the volume pedal between my guitar and board, I can effectively control my gain/volume levels with my foot while retaining a satisfactory amount of presence in my signal. I do use delay pedals and volume swells happen when appropriate. Keep it up guys! Much love from Texas.
Brilliant! Really helpful to see and hear the different positions, thanks for all the info.
Highly recommend the Hilton volume pedal - made in Missouri, and he has versions for both steel guitar and regular guitar - they're the standard among the Nashville guys for a reason : )
Great video guys
About a million years ago.. when I was a teenager, I built a "solo/rhythm" pedal - a 1meg pot in a small box with a light and a bypass switch. I used it in the FX loop of may amp. I made my amp a bit louder that it needed to be, and dialed it back with the pot - my rhythm volume. For solos, I just hit the bypass switch and had a nice boost to cut over the band with.
Brilliant! Always love the show, guys! Nice to see the return of the Timmy! I have both the Tim and Timmy. Incredible pedals!
1 hour on volume pedals : lvl master
You now have gained access to the god level : 1 hour on picks
Picks are important tho!
I get the most detailed explanations and education on pedals and pedal chain dynamics. It's so appreciated. Very well done!
Been using the Boss volume pedal in parallel loops to swell in layered delays and ambient pads, great stuff! Used to have the FX17 until it broke down!
This episode is vintage TPS! Blooming cool, guys. thanks
Remembering that it's past midday on a Friday and there's a new TPS episode is the closest I get to that feeling when I was a kid and I'd suddenly remember there was a chocolate bar waiting for me in my coat pocket.
Exactly....... or when the ice cream van came jingling into your street.
Dan's intro playing reminded me of some of the steel guitar swells in Beck's "Guess I'm Doing Fine". Great stuff!
This show came at just the right time for me, I have been trying different ways to use my volume pedal and you've helped me get a new perspective on it. However, I'm going to watch it again (maybe more than once) to revisit some specific points I probably missed, because it was waaay too early this morning when I turned on TPS. Probably right after you uploaded this episode!
Pedal No..62 and 63 bought, Rat 2 and Volume pedal.. 3 years ago before you started I had 2. Great Show.
Just ordered my first couple of shirts with this episode in the background lol can't wait for them to get here! You guys are informative, massively knowledgeable, great playing, awesome tones, and just plain entertaining. Cheers gents!
The fabric is really nice, I need more.
Great show... volume pedals are so helpful in recording!
I’ve been using one, as a master volume- going after my tone chain, but before my DAW. It’s fantastic for defeating 60 cycle hum, or any noise for that matter- when recording.
Like anything, you develop technique to use one so it’s not “apparent”. It’s a wonderful tool that has many, many uses... thanks boys!
I am a strat guy and I keep my amps just on the verge of breaking up.. thats where I live.. But Dan, the red tele and those particular 2 over drive pedals... are juSt Gloriusssssssssss!
Brilliant. You have no idea how much this has helped me!
I've got the Lehle. Love it! Cheers from Michigan!
Another great episode, thanks guys. I'll also throw in that I've bought a couple pedals from Riff City since I started watching your show and can attest to their wonderful service and product selection. Solid preferred retailer.
I just picked up a used Morley Little Alligator volume pedal on my way home, and lo and behold, TPS is talking volume pedals! What a coincidence. Thank you for a very, very good show and keep up the good work :-)
This is so bad ass. At first you may think that, oh it's just a volume pedal, but really a volume pedal is a huge effect. After all, volume is quite essential when you consider its importance.
My Dad showed me in the late 70's using his home made volume pedal (he rejigged an old wah) that putting the volume pedal at the end was a great way to control and shape sounds. Dad used it because his amp was a 68 Marshall Super Bass head that he played at insane levels of volume. I was lucky to inherit that amp many many years later.
Kudos, gents! You managed to make something as pedestrian as volume pedals interesting for a nearly hour-long video. Thanks for your knowledge and humor as always.
Always entertaining and informative, a big thank you from a long time beginner. Keep up the good work, we are watching in Brazil.
Hi guys. Thank you so much for doing this video. I have an or50 which is a single channel no fx loop amp. I always wondered what would happen if i used an expression pedal instead of the guitars volume. This video has answered all my questions regarding pedal position and possible options on getting a universal practical set up. Cheers guys, keep doing what you do you make a lot of like minded people very happy.
Great episode, thank you for the great content you guys create
I was just navigating some of these questions myself! Thanks for the info as always guys!
OK, thanks sooooo much to the brilliance and wisdom of this show that I am now able to use my vintage Vox AC30 with a wonderful clean delay on the second channel with gain in the High TB channel!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👋🏼👏🏻👋🏼👋🏼👋🏼
Matt here. Loved this show in particular as I still use my Boss FV-300H (built like a tank) from the eighties. I use it, currently, to dial the dry amp in a wet/dry setup up and down. This is useful, and I recommend you try this, when you want a touch more drive, or -my favourite - to accentuate tremolo (on the dry side) over delays and such on the wet side. What a sound!!! (Dr Z wet/Vox dry.) Love for the Vox tremolo. Who does this best in a pedal format? My Fulltone Supa-Trem is now sulking in a corner. Kudos to Gig-rig; the Humdinger is awesome!
Just thinking about buying a volume pedal - this video is gold dust. Thanks Guys!
Great video again. I learn so much from you guys and I been playing for over 30+ years. 😉
That is such a great idea Dan! Could never get a clean reverb going with my old ac30. Will try this out tomorrow!
Great tip on jumping the channels. I did it with my LazyJ20 ( without the trem option) using a Boss Tr2 and it’s fantastic.
My usual chain is guitar->tuner (boss for buffer and mute) -> dirt -> vol -> wet. I love the flexibility it gives me.
The intro playing was amazing as usual!
This was really helpful. Thank you guys !!
I swear you read my mind - been looking at volume pedals the last two days! Ripper!
Thanks for the clear explanation !
I’m going to have to try your RE-201 & Vol pedal trick on my RE-20 this weekend. Big thanks because I don’t like my dry signal going through the RE-20.
Thanks I have actually wondered the difference...and the proper placement.
Thanks guys 😎👍
Great tips in this one, especially the two channel trick! Also if I remember correctly, G2 users can put any passive vol pedal in the insert loop of G2 and it will be made active (output buffer).👌
Legend
🤘🤘
Haha the bewildered Mick face appears @24:26 no worries Mick, we can tell volume pedal usage is something you haven’t explored much. This was a great episode. I really like these utility episodes. Not a pedal demo, a “how to use your pedalboard” -type episode. Very good job guys!
I think '...Diagrams!...' with a Jazz-hands expression is the next TPS t-shirt image!! Nice work Dan & Mick!
Im doin good things with my rig i wouldnt hav thot of myself. Watchin u guys last 2yrs or so iv picked up a bunch of useable knowledge n wisdom. Today took some notes n gona run it back stop n play probably oh 1000 times. Probably use alot of what ur showing . Hav been to the pedal store few times but wanted a D&M drive anyway. So thank u for the free education im better for it. Thank u gentleman.
Im pretty sure several others are pickin up tips n tricks to get better. Brian Wampler is an excellent source of information, he knows things ! Josh Scott of jhs pedals has a pedal channel ck it out if uv not seen it, good information, great guy, analog man i dont kno much about was on tps , makes a great sunface , all these guys are the real deal, to bad dont live closer so to hang out now n then. Oh, i dont but my mother lives in AZ, small world.
Interesting video; like Mick I've only ever just used my guitar's volume. Love to see these style of vids dedicated to specific effects.
Damn, Dan has some crazy chords and harmony knowledge. Killer intro.
Great show guys!
glad to see you guys rocking the Memory Man.
Very informative, thank you
Great work guys!!!☺
This was really cool - especially the second input application! And that Rattler... Holy $#!T does that rock...
I think throwing in those preferred retailers etc at the beginning is genius! Let’s be honest .. after an hour of playing guitar creating musical fusion having to remember all that is a right challenge. Personally I’d need a sleep
I like this guys so much, theire just cool and nice and teaching great stuff.
great video guys! 👏👏👏
Not just demos here. These videos are much more. Very educational for kinesthetic learners who never read directions. This type of thing should be helpful to many hobbyist or even pro rock musicians who are not the typical, band camp prodigies. Thanks for getting us through the boring crap! 🤘
Cheers Jeff 👍
Great stuff guys really interesting 👍👍
Beautiful intro, organ tones from Dan's tele wow
Great video! Just recently purchased a Boss FV-30 L as it is after my drives , but before my delays and reverbs. Really happy with it!!
How is the FV-30 L? Do you still like it? I too want to put a volume pedal between my drives but before my delays and reverb. Thinking of getting either the Boss FV-30L or Dunlop DVP4 Mini X.
@@shashankraman2512 I still am really happy with it! Works well with my rig. I’ve never had any experience with the Dunlop mini but I’ve heard good things.
@@ampoll88 That's really good to know! Now, I'm just thinking if I should go for the FV30L or the FV30H model. I need to place it between my drives and wet effects. I know Boss markets FV30L to go in between the signal chain but Dan, in this video, and a lot of gigging musicians who I know use the FV30H after the drives. Have you personally faced any issues with the 'L' model being inside your signal chain, like tone suck? Btw, do you play with a strat?
Great description wording!!
love this guys . I am am after drives ,before everything else guy.(passive dunlop) i stumbled on it 3 yrs ago and have been doin it since . I have been playing 20yrs so for the 1st 17, i had it 1st on the board . good info guys . thx
Just got to say.... Frome again! Looking forward to it.
loved this episode
Great show lads!
One minute in: “thanks to our preferred retailers!”
Got really worried about my short term memory there for a second.
Although I'm quite glad that they have sponsors to keep them on the air. The quality of the video and gear keeps getting better. But I wondered if my RUclips glitched to the end too!
Sven Broos I guess they realized a lot of us don’t always have time to make it to the end of their videos.
I used to use an Ernie Ball Volume pedal to change from rhythm to lead level stage. It has the adjustment on the side to change the amount it lowers the volume, which wasn't enough so I put a block to prevent the pedal from going all the way back. It worked very well, and much smoother than any kind of switch or boost pedal, plus it was a bigger target on stage :-) It was last in the chain to act as a 'master' volume. Too bad it broke one day and I've never fixed it :-( Thank you for the video. Lots of great ideas and knowledge transferred.
Great show guys! The diagrams really helped. At some point, I hope you get a Reverend guitar or any guitar that has a bass roll off pot and show how controlling the amount of bass going to a dirt pedal (especially fuzzes) can be a revelation.
I had my guitar modded for a master tone and master bass cut. It's awesome. Basically a passive 2 band EQ.
Dang you guys solved a few problems for me once again! Thanks mick and dan! Btw if you haven’t heard of Marcus King, you need to, and if by any chance you should have him on the show!
Really great topic. I want to go back to using a volume pedal again but I set may amp right on the edge of break up. So while I can do a swell or pull back with it, it needs to be full on at all other times or my tone changes. My best results back in the day were in the effects loop but I was tired of the four cable method. Thanks again friends.
Did somebody challenge you guys: "I bet you can't talk for 1 hour about a volume pedal"
dan and mick: hold my beer
Thanks guys I just bought my final volume pedal after renting a couple much appreciate the great video !!!!!!!!🤟🤟🤟🤟 crackn !!!!
renting a volume pedal? is that really a thing? like renting your sister maybe?
Dan I hope you're happy, your playing made me blow all my 21st Birthday money on a Telecaster. Now all I need to do is learn how to play the thing.
Happy birthday Harry ;)
Great timing, I just bought a volume pedal last night. I bought that DOD volume pedal back in the 80's, and it was ok, but not great. DOD does/did make great stuff in general.
Nice description, Mick. I’m sure no wine was harmed in the writing of it. 🍷😎
Brian Ricker 😅
I may use "observifacting" at work 😂
Hah! My thoughts exactly while reading it, must have been a very large glass ( half a bottle) of red! I find myself doing the same after imbibing a pitcher or two. If anything I make myself laugh!
It reads like a transcript from my linguistics classes from university.
Great info, and a great idea about using the 2-channel amp trick. Personally, I like to run my signal into my compressor, then volume pedal, then dirt. I don’t like to fiddle with my guitar knobs when I play so turning down the front end of my signal works great. I also like to run my compressor first because i feel that gives me the best volume swells.
👐Diagrammmmms👐, lol. I fully approve & appreciate this display of VP trickery!!!
14:15: Dan: "We're not gonna get the same... sort of suckiness.."
Mick: "Tone suck."
Dan: "Ex-suck-ly!"
Haha! Laughed hard :) Thanks for a great and well-explained episode guys!
Worth a mention: a friend uses the Vertex Effects Boost because it has an expression out, so you can put your “volume pedal” later in the chain but without any tone-suck (and without a switcher, or weird cabling issues). And this works even with the boost off!! I think the boost is also very good, but that’s why he has it on multiple boards.
I’m still loving my Chase Bliss Condor for my “volume pedal,” but I use the Low Pass Filter instead! Very different curve, especially stacked before other gain pedals.
After Dans intro playing, mentioning preferred retailers and what not in the beginning of this video thru me off - normally they are at the end of videos. For a second I thought it was already the end of the video haha
Also check out: the Earth Quaker swiss things which has a brilliant volume pedal input. Fully buffered, post gain pedal loop, just plug a cheap expression pedal into the jack w a TRS cable and it works as a volume pedal. Allows you to not mess up your fuzz pedals with a buffered input and since it's post fuzz + you cut the "hiss" from the fuzz, but still get the trails from your ambient pedals, and control how hard you hit your fuzz with the volume pot on your guitar.
Putting volume pedal after fuzz/overdrive but before ambient effects is very practical, as you detail. Cut the noise, keep the trails.
Magnificent magic from Dan
Outrageously good stereo guitar tone from those amps this week!! Even that first clean sound Dan played after he said which amps you were using!! Love a good clean tone, I would say another visit on good clean tones would be a good vid to do!!
Never really understood volume pedals, i have had a bad history with them and that tone suck has always been a problem for me!!
Smart move, switching the video outro to the intro! On the other hand, I am a bit worried as I read the written intro - Mick seems to have come down with a bad case of barfelonus of the blowhole. Very interesting topic to me - I am constantly amazed at how many ways we can modify a guitar signal. For that matter, I am constantly amazed at how we derive that signal in the first place! Thanks again for a super show.
Excellent!! I've been waiting for EQ and pedal videos. Cheers and keep them coming!! My offer for the loan of the Egnater Tweaker 88 still stands, but I have to come with her since she's never been to England before and would need a chaperone.
Good job, thank you.
Personally, on all my boards I have the Volume pedal at the beginning of the musical chain, as I saw in Lukather's or Gilmour's pedalboards or in Mike Stern pedalboard (back in time, today he travel with one or two things!) and in many other friends. That's why a love to have a couple of overdrive with different setting before the gritty distortions (Muffs, OCD, Rat or other distortion) and I need to dosate the volume between OD and Dist. Moreover, I found that many volume pots, when closed a little, also close the band ends, specifically in the high frequencies, while the volume pedal gives the possibility to lower the volume without losing all the definition of the volume pot open. Of c course, this is my experience and, as Mick says, there's no Universal way to use RIGHT the volume pedal. ❤️
Pump up the volume Chaps! This video was better than the titles suggests ... next time I watch it, I must remember to turn up the volume.
I never got what the point was in volume pedals, then I got one and now I don't like doing a gig without one! After my drives but before delays and verbs is my favourite place. Great video as always chaps!
@@Murry_in_Arizona Yeah man the way he uses it is brilliant! Handy to hide noise too if it's needed (if after drives)