Is Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio the BEST Pinocchio?

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  • @cmbeadle2228
    @cmbeadle2228 Год назад +176

    Wow can't believe you concluded that Pauly Shore's Pinocchio is "10,000 times better than both the original Disney and Del Toro"

    • @CrabsOfSteel-2024
      @CrabsOfSteel-2024 Год назад +2

      I don’t remember hearing that

    • @cmbeadle2228
      @cmbeadle2228 Год назад +6

      ​@@CrabsOfSteel-2024 he didn't, I was just making a silly joke :)

    • @CrabsOfSteel-2024
      @CrabsOfSteel-2024 Год назад +1

      Ah! 😂😂😂

    • @RLucas3000
      @RLucas3000 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@cmbeadle2228 I thought you were talking about the 2042 one where Pauly plays the dying Geppetto… oops, ignore all that.

    • @Lady_in_Yearning
      @Lady_in_Yearning 10 месяцев назад +1

      Disney has lessons about being a good boy, and Del Toro has lessons about disobedience and the need to question authority, but only Pauly Shore has the whole worldussy!

  • @SpiritaeliaWolf
    @SpiritaeliaWolf Год назад +93

    Del Torro's Pinocchio is definitely dark, but there's no denying how terrifying dinsey's version is. That donkey scene still sends me shivers even as an adult.
    Personally in terms of enjoyment I find both movies to rank about the same. Good for their own respective reasons.

    • @nitrosherbert888
      @nitrosherbert888 Год назад +4

      Maybe I'm remembering this wrong but I remember watching one as a little kid at my babysitter 's house and then someone freaking out saying that I shouldn't have watched it cause it's too freaky.

  • @jujucatjuca
    @jujucatjuca Год назад +97

    You speak with so much love in your heart. Your arguments are so reasonable and sincere. You bring a freshness to video essays I hadn't seen in such a long time!

  • @DanielGoldhorn
    @DanielGoldhorn Год назад +26

    Thanks so much for the shout-out! I really loved your take here, and I agree with you a lot. Obviously I love del Toro's Pinocchio with his unique visual style and subversive themes, but Disney's 1940 Pinocchio is such a classic and its a remarkable work of art that lets its audience come to their own interpretation of its story. Very well done analysis!

    • @therewillbefudd
      @therewillbefudd  Год назад +3

      Thanks! Hope I wasn’t too hard on GDT’s, since I really do think both films are great, but I’m glad to get the approval of a true Del Toro aficionado!

  • @once4608
    @once4608 Год назад +32

    Cate Blanchett making monkey noises for almost two hours is just as funny as Joseph Gordon-Lewitt playing the gong off-screen in the Glass Onion.

  • @Princessmisery
    @Princessmisery Год назад +102

    I wouldn’t pin two kings together personally, but without Disney’s Pinocchio there wouldn’t be a GDT Pinocchio. So both are great.

    • @Anne-wf1vo
      @Anne-wf1vo Год назад +4

      Being responsible for something great doesn't make itself great.

    • @Heavenly_Father
      @Heavenly_Father Год назад +4

      I'm sorry but pinocchio is based on a book, Disney didn't invent it. So there'd definitely be a GDT pinocchio without a Disney one

    • @Princessmisery
      @Princessmisery Год назад +7

      @@Heavenly_Father that I know, I have read the novel. Was referring to GDT as a child who went and saw the movie when it was in theaters and it left a big impression on him till adulthood. Hell he was even inspired by Gris Grimly’s book/art adaption of the story too. So it wasn’t for these two influences in his life we wouldn’t have GDT creating his own Pinocchio.

    • @fcv4616
      @fcv4616 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@Anne-wf1vo Maybe, but in this case it is. Greatness often inspires greatness, and Pinocchio (1940) is great by its own merit. That’s why GDT was inspired to make his own great adaptation.

  • @ATalkingSock
    @ATalkingSock Год назад +89

    I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking Del Toro lacks subtlety.
    I really wish people would let their art speak for itself instead of overexplaining everything to make sure the audience knows exactly what the author thinks while you're just trying to be immersed in the story.

    • @tiablue9106
      @tiablue9106 Год назад +10

      idk some ppl like subtlety and/or allegory, other ppl think that's "shying away from the true meaning" and stories should just spell out what their themes are. I somewhat prefer the subtler approach (for reasons expressed in the vid), only problem is when ppl cling to a single interpretation of it and use that as a criticism of the work as if the writers read their minds. think zootopia as it is vs zootopia done w/ humans :0

    • @SsjkidsSaveCosmo08
      @SsjkidsSaveCosmo08 Год назад +2

      Omg a talking sock

  • @leannezezeski-sass2773
    @leannezezeski-sass2773 Год назад +17

    They’re probably a tie for me, both movies made me cry. You can definitely tell Del Toro took alot of inspiration from the Disney version. Both are just so full of heart

  • @jo-lynnsomers8103
    @jo-lynnsomers8103 Год назад +17

    I ABSOLUTELY LOVE HOW YOU TEASE VIDEOS FOR THE FUTURE AT THE END OF YOUR VIDEOS! IT MAKES ME SOOOO EXCITED!!! I CANNOT WAIT TILL ALL OF THESE VIDEOS COME OUT!!! KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!

  • @sharonparker9623
    @sharonparker9623 Год назад +11

    It’s always a great day when Fudd drops another video. I loved this one! As usual, lots to think about and so much fun to listen to. Excellent work!!

  • @KC-lm7gm
    @KC-lm7gm Год назад +8

    Really solid analysis that also allows for just, y'know, personal opinion. Sometimes you like what you like. Your videos are really well made and I'm glad I found your channel - commenting to bump it up the algorithm!

  • @ultramariogod
    @ultramariogod Год назад +2

    Old Disney Pinocchio vs Guillermo del Toro Pinocchio
    The ultimate versus battle, I love both versions

  • @williamhanekom9882
    @williamhanekom9882 10 месяцев назад +2

    I can't emphasise how thankful I am that you mentioned Del Toro's respect for the Disney film, especially considering how many parallels I saw in both when I first watched his version. While I personally prefer the newer one more for it's approach to death and disobedience, I still love the Disney film for its sumptous visuals and music. It's clear work and effort was put in both and you feel it.

  • @Brianna-eo8nu
    @Brianna-eo8nu Год назад +9

    I can’t believe you did a segment talking about the character designs of Del Toro’s Pinocchio, but didn’t say a word about Sebastian J. Cricket! That guy is one of the best cartoon insect designs I’ve seen in years outside of Minuscule: Valley of the Lost Ants and I am insulted you did him dirty like that!!
    Ok but for real, I really like Sebastian’s design. It has a perfect balance of anthropomorphic features like his walking on two legs and the mandibles that look like a moustache, while still being anatomically similar to an actual insect. Unlike 90% of other animated anthropomorphised insect designs which tend to look more like weird goblins or humans with a gene and thorax glued on or just tiny with green skin. Kinda like Jimminy in Disney’s Pinocchio. Or those god awful uncanny valley ant designs in dreamworks’s Ants.

  • @elizabethb4168
    @elizabethb4168 Год назад +12

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds the stop motion humans uncanny 😅
    Edit: also, I really hate the trend of, "this version of a story is DARKER, it has ONSCREEN DEATH, therefore it's BETTER and waaaaaaaaaaay DEEPER than the thing it's based on/related to"
    Like, it's just so shallow and kinda overdone at this point that I'm just not interested in any show or movie I see getting that style of praise

  • @Deannac_art
    @Deannac_art Год назад +3

    It makes me so happy whenever I get the notif that you've uploaded!! It's like a special treat whenever I get to sit down and watch the vid at the end of my day 🥰

  • @cigarettesmoke7636
    @cigarettesmoke7636 Год назад +6

    I was waiting for this, glad to see you got a chance to check it out.
    I agree that the visual setpieces of the GdT version were striking, I loved the way Pinocchio, Blue Fairy, and Rabbits looks and the war time setting was right up my alley, but the way it dealt with its themes was very on the nose. The movie basically read its thesis statement qand that was unneeded.
    I like the way you talk about the two movies as Disobedience vs. Obedience. Its an interesting angle, especially since Disney presents a character who obeys but is punished for it, Del Torro provides a character who disobey as a moral good and is rewarded.
    Still glad to see you continue the idea of ranking movies not being a slight against them since each brings its own strengths to the mix.
    Looking forward to the Little Mermaid video!

  • @cheesypotatoes5752
    @cheesypotatoes5752 Год назад +2

    I enjoyed both movies, both are good in their own merits and represent different things. Good video!

  • @hiridavidfeign
    @hiridavidfeign Год назад +6

    First time I heard about Del Toro's Pinocchio was that he was doing a live stage adaptation for Disney like The Lion King. I was so excited by that, but it obviously never came to life, so to speak. Both Disney and GDT versions are brilliant masterpieces, but I agree that Disney's is more masterful. And hey, did I inadvertently contribute info to this video lol? Great work, always a treat. Thanks.

  • @matheus5230
    @matheus5230 Год назад +1

    Your commentary about the themes in both films is the highlight of the video! Fantastic!

  • @HanayoSora
    @HanayoSora Год назад

    Love your video essays so much, they help me a lot with focusing on what I'm trying to convey with my works. Keep up the amazing work! You're a real RUclips Boy! xD

  • @A-Spoto
    @A-Spoto Год назад +12

    Still my favorite film review channel on RUclips

  • @MusicalInquisit
    @MusicalInquisit Год назад +6

    9:05: the way to describe what you are saying is this: His leitmotifs are pretty, but they often feel the same, with the themes being conjoined without much jumps. The melodies are often based on steps in its diatonic key.
    Of course, there is nothing wrong with conjoined melodies as there is nothing wrong with just having a disjunct melody, but it can help to have variety.

    • @therewillbefudd
      @therewillbefudd  Год назад

      Haha, thanks! Figured it was better to just admit that I don't know what I'm talking about and leave it to the experts.

    • @MusicalInquisit
      @MusicalInquisit Год назад +2

      @@therewillbefudd oh, I am no expert. I simply just remembered what conjuct and disjunct melodies are. Of course, it can be described simply as steps and leaps. A step is anything either a whole or half step above. Anything beyond that distance is considered a jump (or leap).

  • @somebody6777
    @somebody6777 Год назад +5

    Omg omg I adore your videos thank you for uploading

  • @kelleyceccato7025
    @kelleyceccato7025 Год назад +9

    Okay, I agree with every word you said about celebrity voice casting, but can you really praise the voice cast of Disney's Pinocchio and NOT mention Walter Catlett? The guy who made "Hi Diddle-Dee-Dee" such a banger? Catlett did do a lot of live action work as a comedic character actor (he's so good in 1936's "Mr. Deeds Goes to Town" and "A Tale of Two Cities"), but he was never a celebrity per se, and his performance as Foulfellow is top-notch. He deserves applause.

  • @CoolG97
    @CoolG97 Год назад +4

    Your comments on stopmotion reminds of how Tim Burton was upset that people thought Corpse Bride was CGI when it was in fact stopmotion and intentionally made the stopmotion in Frankenweenie "worse" in order to honor the medium.

  • @jameszimmerschied9200
    @jameszimmerschied9200 Год назад +4

    This was a great way to comprare the two movies. Using visual examples you support your opinion. I look forward to future evaluations.

  • @gabriellawaldi
    @gabriellawaldi Год назад +1

    “a Pinocchio authority” - you mean a Pinocchiologist? 😂

  • @fcv4616
    @fcv4616 6 месяцев назад +1

    I think which of the two is best will depend on personal taste, because both are beautiful in their own way. Personally I like the Disney version more, because of its own merit but also because I have so much nostalgia for it. But I can see how people could grow up with Del Toro’s version and be as much as in love with it as I am with Disney’s. So yeah, the Ying and Yang are better together, lol

  • @Yellowguy0619
    @Yellowguy0619 5 месяцев назад +1

    Welp, time to explain why Sykes from Oliver and Company is an underrated Bill Sikes character.

  • @a.z.p.
    @a.z.p. Год назад +5

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  • @MrBlasi910
    @MrBlasi910 8 месяцев назад +2

    For me the best Pinocchio Was From the Tatsunoko "Kashi No Ki Mokku"

  • @KyleRDent
    @KyleRDent Год назад +18

    The human designs are a bit off for me too. Every time I saw Candlewick my brain went, "Matt Damon!"

  • @shamanite
    @shamanite Год назад +3

    PS: funnily enough, there was one more Pinocchio cameo in a blockbuster in 2022: Puss in Boots The Last Wish. The cricket was even one of the main supporting characters lol

  • @gingerjak7928
    @gingerjak7928 Год назад +2

    Another great video - analysis made entertaining and ending in a belly laugh. 😂 You are amazing.

  • @tinkywinky5558
    @tinkywinky5558 Год назад +8

    Agree to disagree
    Both Disney and Del Toro are really excellent and have their own flaws
    I love Del Toro's version a lot more since it resonates a lot harder for me. Perhaps because it's a stronger emphasis on the theme of death and love. As someone who's experience great grief from a significant loss in my life where you feel anger and despair to the point where you feel like you can't move on, it genuinely resonated hard for me. Regardless of some parts of the GT version and how they handled some parts of the story, the main theme of loss and moving on is honestly beautifully handled in the film and really theres no denying it.
    And I don't know the music hits more harder for me than Disney's version did. I still think very regularly about the score like Ciao Papa than I ever did with any of Disney's version (With maybe the exception of I've Got No Strings lol)
    I do agree I wish there was a bit more subtly to DT's version and it gets murky in some points of the story but I genuinely love it so deeply and is my favorite animated adaptation of the film.
    Maybe because I'm not used to DT's other works so its a different viewing experience not knowing his other works and comparing it.

  • @AT7outof10
    @AT7outof10 Год назад +1

    After I saw Del Toro's Pinocchio I immediately checked to see if they were selling 1:1 replicas of him (or maybe the studio could auction off the actual figures they used.) I adore that creepy yet still somehow cute design. And I, too, was happy to see the Black Rabbits utilized in his interpretation!

  • @MadHatter42
    @MadHatter42 Год назад +2

    It’ve always felt that it’s difficult for me to say that Del Torro’s is as good as Disney’s because Del Torro’s is so much within Disney’s shadow. I appreciate your take that the two are in conversation with one another, but that’s also why I love the 2019 Garrone version best of all; it stands an its own with so much genuine artistic integrity.

  • @hashtagwoke8506
    @hashtagwoke8506 Год назад +4

    Just binged all of your videos, and wow, they're wonderful. I always get frustrated by how the classic Disney movies are viewed. They're seen as more boring by fans of modern animated films, or as cute novelties, not worthy for that much critical evaluation. Your video essays on them are fantastic, and bring completely new light to the films for me. I'm interested in what you have to say about Dumbo, since it's one of the Disney films I'm more mixed on - and currently maybe the RUclips video I'm most looking forward to.
    For Little Mermaid ranking video, I'm also very excited. One of the most interesting things about the Pinnochio ranking video was seeing how (or if) they responded to the themes of the source material. Since its completely different from Disneys interpretation, sometimes it'd go abandoned for the mainstream themes of the Disney version. Curious to see how the little Mermaid adaptations do that for their own source material!

  • @GuiltlessGear
    @GuiltlessGear Месяц назад +1

    I find it alarming how this comparison feels less like a comparison and more of an attempt to discredit the Del Toro film; handwaving it's technical and artistic accomplishments, assigning arbitrary criteria, and reaching outside the scope of the film itself to minimize it, to imply it's far less original than it may in fact be, and omitting several aspects of the story, including, confusingly, the idea that the cricket lived in the tree that eventually became Pinocchio, which is not dissimilar to the German version, which would have actually served your purpose far better than the far more manipulative edits of the puppeteer characters dancing alongside one another, as well as other similarities which should be expected as they draw from the same source material.
    Rather than reckon with the task of directly comparing the animation styles of the two films, you chose to claim that one "maximizes the medium" while the other doesn't, while providing criteria that is particularly arbitrary; implying that stop motion animation is meant to, and can only reach it's fullest potential as a medium if it plays into the small-scale of its models, and "brings you into the space" as if you are a participant. this bizarre stipulation inherently implies that every film Henry Selick ever directed doesn't take full advantage of it's medium, and is also inferior to Robot Chicken. I'll thank you for not making the far more insidious, but worryingly tangential argument that well-lit, detailed, and fluid stop motion is "pointless" and "should just be CGI", a criticism commonly levied at Laika by sophists and ignorant critics.
    Your stance on voice casting is one I actually agree with emphatically, but find the way you use it in your argument here questionable; only the original film's cast is given any samples of their work, and are not compared- even unfairly- to their counterparts in Del Toro's film. An easy task to give oneself, I would think. it's as if having a celebrity voice cast is enough to assume the performances will be lacking. While this is indeed usually the case, I feel does a huge disservice to David Bradley in particular, who I believe does a fair job of capturing both the tenderness and madness of Geppetto, especially when he is actually building Pinocchio, whom here serves as a surrogate for a dead son (which is entirely omitted this analysis). While he is known for the screen, Ron Perlman is a voice actor himself, having an extensive list of credits to his name, many of which sound different to his natural speaking voice, including Mr. Lancer, Slade, Clayface, and The Lich King, just to name a few.
    The extent of the critique on the music in the Del Toro version is to simply compare a single leitmotif that appears in other Del Toro films, and not even by using the actual scores, but by playing a few keys on the piano. Conversely, you pull out an arrange album composed in the 80s to sell the viewer on a bit of the score from the Disney film. in both cases, you withhold the actual score from them in the moment while making your arguments, and I do not understand why.
    This all speaks to the idea that the films are -not- allowed to be judged on their own merits, a clear contradiction of the lovely monologue that closes out the video, which is amusingly followed by sticking the Del Toro version below the goofy pantomime live action interpretation, accompanied by the least-flattering possible out-of-context clip of it's horrible english dub.
    It certainly feels as though you allowed your irritation at a certain sect of people's insistence that Del Toro's Pinocchio is the only good film adaptation to color your analysis, and it severely soured the viewing experience. I will grant you praise for being able to hide this scorn in your voiceover and overall evaluation of the films, but it's simply too much to ignore.
    It's a shame, because I firmly believe the Disney film is more than capable of standing it's ground in this fight, and would hold up just as well in a balanced comparison.

  • @mariechen4375
    @mariechen4375 Год назад +2

    Love the end of the video. Nothing will ever beat the animated Disney version! It's almost a perfect movie. After watching every Pinocchio version I could find, my new ranking is
    1. Disney Pinocchio (1940)
    2. Pinocchio (2019)
    3. The adventures of Pinocchio (1996)
    4. Pinocchio (1992)
    5. Guillermo del Toro’s Pinocchio (2022)
    6. Pinocchio (2012)
    7. Pinocchio (2013)
    8. Pinocchio (1972)
    9. Pinocchio (1976 TV movie)
    10. Pinocchio (2009)
    11. A.I.
    12. Pinocchio (1947)
    13. The new adventures of Pinocchio (1999)
    14. The adventures of Pinocchio (1972 TV miniseries)
    15. Pinocchio Anime series (1976)
    16. Pinocchio and the emperor of the night (1987)
    17. Pinocchio (1967)
    18. Disney Pinocchio (2022)
    19. Geppetto (2000)
    20. The adventures of Pinocchio Anime (1989, 1972)
    21. Pinocchio 3000
    22. Fairytale Theatre version
    23. The adventures of Buratino (1959)
    24. Welcome back Pinocchio (2006)
    25. Pinocchio: A true story (2022)

  • @andresoneca4414
    @andresoneca4414 Год назад +8

    I think the GDT version is a great movie but I also think it's a little overrated, it's become almost a consensus of the public that it's the perfect version, with the best animation, the best soundtrack, the deepest, the darker but I disagree and still prefer the 1940 version for the reasons you cite.
    A ranking of versions of The Little Mermaid is a great idea! there's a 1976 version called Malá Morská Víla and I'd love to see you talk about it.
    Oh by the way, would you mind sending me your letterboxd profile link so I can follow you?

    • @therewillbefudd
      @therewillbefudd  Год назад +2

      Thanks! I don't actually have a public Letterboxd yet, just a private one I keep for myself. But maybe I'll post one soon if people are interested!

  • @davidci
    @davidci Год назад +12

    Was waiting for this video after you watched basically every other Pinocchio version
    Edit: Bro had the chance to make both movies score a tie at the end but decided to not give a score at the very last criteria so the Disney version would win 💀

  • @ThirrinDiamond
    @ThirrinDiamond Год назад +24

    Oh i'm so excited for the little mermaid comparisons, it wasnt until seeing a post that explains that ariel is autistic that i realised why she meant so much to me as a lil kid despite having nothing physically or culturally in common with her
    Also the end ranking isn't unsurprising but i love how enjoyable to comparison was, it was like a fun who would win batman vs superman debate one might have with friends

    • @cmbeadle2228
      @cmbeadle2228 Год назад +4

      Yes, and although one shouldn't really diagnose historical figures, hans Christian Andersen seemed to have some form of neurodiversity that he wrote in his stories.

    • @ThirrinDiamond
      @ThirrinDiamond Год назад +2

      @@cmbeadle2228 oh he was autistic af, no question lol i fully claim him😂 /lh

    • @maxr7616
      @maxr7616 Год назад +2

      yes!!! anferson’s story captures being autistic so well. i’m not claiming he was autistic, who knows, but it captures the feeling perfectly nonetheless.

    • @ThirrinDiamond
      @ThirrinDiamond Год назад +1

      @@maxr7616 he was at least factually gay af, so, close enough for me as i am both 🤝/lh

    • @maxr7616
      @maxr7616 Год назад +2

      @@ThirrinDiamond same lolol

  • @Princessmisery
    @Princessmisery Год назад +8

    Fudd returns! 🎉

  • @itsthedeek234
    @itsthedeek234 Год назад +8

    Next: Too Many Robins Hood

  • @maurycyoseka1057
    @maurycyoseka1057 Год назад +1

    2:26 The same thing is with Puss in Boots 2. Except everyone literally expresses the exact sentiment about it.

  • @JLMetak
    @JLMetak Год назад +2

    For a second I thought I was watching a haha ha video just from the background music lol

  • @Nightman221k
    @Nightman221k Год назад +10

    Disney's had better characterization and story. Both versions have Pinocchio go on unusual adventures, but the Pinocchio of Disney seems to learn from them and his lesson of not telling lies is of central focus and I do feel like he learned his lesson about vices and fame.
    The GDT Pinocchio had a way less substantial arc or growth. He was led by first impulse every step of the way. Almost like he was some kind of AI robot with a shallow understanding and lacking empty responses, yet at the end the narrative acts like he's embraced maturity and gracefully accepts everyone dying all around him.
    Like... did we watch the same character? It's sad cause I liked Geppetto a lot and felt invested by how sad he was at the loss of Carlo and I actually felt similarly disgusted that his wish to have his son back was met with a spoiled, bratty wood-demon instead.
    GDT also was so ham-fisted with the "This is a serious gritty story about mortality" ... yeah it was about mortality, but what else is there and what does it say about mortality? With a protagonist like GDT!Pinocchio not very much. Puss In Boots 2 allowed its narrative to address the topic of mortality without beating you over the head with it and making the protagonist's fear of death feel fully explored comparatively.
    Plus, Disney's Pinocchio's other characters were more endearing. Jiminy was invested in Pinocchio and wasn't just tacked on like GDT. The pets Cleo and Figaro were sweet and they were a lot more memorable than the oddly-voiced-by-Cate-Blanchett Monkey.

  • @matheus5230
    @matheus5230 Год назад +3

    Looking forward to your Little Mermaid video!

  • @shamanite
    @shamanite Год назад +5

    Can't wait for you to watch Blancanieves (2013), that's one of my favorite movies!
    Other than that, great video! I was really interested by what you said about each movies' themes, and also how both movies compliment eachover.

  • @MikaTertius
    @MikaTertius 11 месяцев назад +1

    Liked seeing your thoughts on that one, too. I have seen a lot more adaptations of Pinocchio than I previously thought. My ranking's way different than yours (disliking Pinocchio's storyline in general as a whole made me far more fascinated with the wilder adaptations like The Golden Key and A Tree of Palme), but I do validate and respect your personal reasons for your rankings.

  • @tmntgirl4life
    @tmntgirl4life Год назад

    One of the themes of Del Turro’s film is that it’s a story of the complicated relationship between father and child. We see this in Pinocchio’s relationship with his father. Candle wick and his dad. And the people of Italy with italy itself

  • @panicathedogpark
    @panicathedogpark Год назад +1

    I watched these two movies back-to-back, and one of the things I noticed that I don’t see many people talking about is the whale. For being the climax of the film, the Del Toro version of the whale just felt so lacking in comparison to the absolute beast that is Disney’s Monstro. I don’t know if any movie will ever be able to match his threatening presence, and the crushing weight that you can FEEL he holds in the water. The Del Toro version of the whale is just kinda…there. Not bad, he serves the plot well enough, but he definitely doesn’t feel like as much of a threat.

  • @BadGuyRants
    @BadGuyRants Год назад +2

    Internet teenagers thinking they’re smarter than classic era Disney films is lots of fun.

  • @Erwyn_
    @Erwyn_ Год назад +1

    0:41 I remember being scared and not seeing that movie until a few years ago if i still have the dvd i will try to see if it has subtitles

  • @erikbihari3625
    @erikbihari3625 Год назад +2

    A:"few mounths"? More like one and a half year! B:"on this, i'm with il niege:-"the quality of an adaptation doesn't depend on how closely it adheres to the source material"

  • @astraios7962
    @astraios7962 Год назад +2

    Just curious but when will your next update be? No rush but I’m excited to see it!

    • @therewillbefudd
      @therewillbefudd  Год назад +2

      Thanks! Hopefully soon. I've had a number of personal things come up in the past few months that've left me very little time to focus on the channel, but the next one is pretty close to finished.

  • @tengu5949
    @tengu5949 Год назад +6

    woah, pinocchio

  • @Jacobcoleyray
    @Jacobcoleyray 3 месяца назад +1

    I’ll answer the question. It is

  • @auralunaprettycure
    @auralunaprettycure Год назад

    Shape of Water being it’s unique and wonderful self even in a video that isn’t even about it. god I love that film.

  • @maura5373
    @maura5373 Год назад +1

    I always learn something interesting from Fudd.👍🐱

  • @MrBlasi910
    @MrBlasi910 8 месяцев назад +2

    Why not Make a Movie Of Kashi No Ki Mokku?
    (Kashi No Ki Mokku Pinocchio Movie)

  • @joshuaokoro-sokoh2993
    @joshuaokoro-sokoh2993 Год назад

    There is one Pinocchio movie I watched as a kid that SCARED THE BEJESUS OUT OF ME.
    Interestingly, the movie Pinocchio is played by Jonathan Taylor Thomas, AKA Cub Simba from The Lion King 1994.

  • @mistingwolf
    @mistingwolf Год назад +3

    GdT's Pinocchio is by far my favorite version, so in my opinion, it is the best.

  • @jaywhangmakes
    @jaywhangmakes Год назад +1

    21:57 Can't wait to hear your thoughts on Blancanieves. And the director of that movie has an animated movie coming out, and it is titled Robot Dreams.

  • @kaelang12
    @kaelang12 Год назад +1

    of all the ways to find out about a snow white remake, it had to be this

  • @greciadiez9372
    @greciadiez9372 Год назад

    I personally love the disney original one, because of the songs and the way i related to him and thing he didnt understand about the adult and human World. But i really like Del Toro's... thats when u are a bit older and questioning everything around you, u start to understand why we do the things we do, you decide wether u do what you think its correct and learn from it. I think each of them have their own value

  • @f.w.p.1143
    @f.w.p.1143 Год назад +9

    cat > monkey

  • @incoerenza4331
    @incoerenza4331 Год назад +9

    So you're telling me I should sub the entirety of the Comencini series for you?
    Btw, great video as always. I think I prefer Del Toro's version. Not because it's superior in a particular way, but it just feels more personal. The disney one I adore for its technical aspects, but I can't feel its human emotions as clearly as the other.

  • @emerald0052
    @emerald0052 5 месяцев назад +1

    14:10 18:26 18:41 these time stamps are just for me nothing to see here folks

  • @12Tecpatl
    @12Tecpatl Год назад +2

    Your videos are so good

  • @chickensandwich9977
    @chickensandwich9977 Год назад +3

    Dude!
    You nibble on you piano keys, too?!
    9:16

  • @kenzihenderson5258
    @kenzihenderson5258 Год назад +1

    I appreciate the method used to rank these two against eachother. It makes it so that even if anyone disagrees with you, that can just mean that they personally hold those specific categories higher in importance than others. I agree with your end result as well. As good as del toro's is, the very del toro isms themselves hold it back a bit. Also I really don't like the parts and characters that were cut/mashed together

  • @jessicapinkman-hd4bw
    @jessicapinkman-hd4bw Год назад +2

    nope he stopped making video's after this

  • @Lady_de_Lis
    @Lady_de_Lis Год назад +9

    I need to hurry up and get around to seeing del Toro's version. But glad to see no one can knock the True Pinocchio from his throne lol
    Ooh, really excited to see the mermaid video :) But don't work yourself too hard.

  • @RockinRoyaltyx3
    @RockinRoyaltyx3 Год назад +1

    I dont remember a single song from the del torro adaption.

  • @Frozen_Death_Knight
    @Frozen_Death_Knight Год назад +4

    Good video! Question, what's the name of the anime at 14:37? That thing looks dope.

    • @tinkywinky5558
      @tinkywinky5558 Год назад +2

      Its "A Tree of Palme" by Takashi Nakamura

  • @skkygavin9509
    @skkygavin9509 Год назад +1

    Walts is still my favorite

  • @sjmhadsock4586
    @sjmhadsock4586 Год назад +1

    It certainty the most interesting its not most adaptations that mention fascism

  • @cmbeadle2228
    @cmbeadle2228 Год назад +2

    Also I've just realised if you do Snow White you may have to go over the insanely racist banned WB Snow White parody from the 40s, which would be awkward (and apparently according to wiki there's also an "adult" snow film? Good luck

  • @abracapoofa
    @abracapoofa Год назад

    I would give the animation point to Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio

  • @Astrolionking
    @Astrolionking Год назад +2

    Despite your opinions being… opinions… this was an interesting video

  • @chickensandwich9977
    @chickensandwich9977 Год назад +2

    See you in May...

  • @viniciuspaiva3578
    @viniciuspaiva3578 Год назад +4

    Now review Lies of P!

  • @jessicapinkman-hd4bw
    @jessicapinkman-hd4bw Год назад +2

    how you can tell it's a gulleimero del toro film the film heavily critizies extreme facism and portrays children as the primary enemies to it the film has an adordinate amount of studio meddling a very clear atheist agenda is shown this is a joke by the way before anyone starts taking this seriously each film has a preechy be yourself message that's for sure to convice some assholes that they don't need to change and actually grow as people and make good decisions just keep doing what you do he has an absurd phobia of horses and cows which you can see in many of his movie's his film's have a cartoonish black and white perspective he's also very sexy that's all for now

  • @craigbob7734
    @craigbob7734 Год назад

    So I just watched your Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio. I think Walt Disney would agree with me Toro's Pinocchio is better. Not just the end, but throughout the film, compared to Disney, Toro's Pinocchio hurts more, and there are no effort at all to soften it. And it's still manages comedic moments

  • @SpiderandMosquito
    @SpiderandMosquito Год назад +2

    Algorithm boosting comment.

  • @alexandersmith4731
    @alexandersmith4731 Год назад

    Oof, little mermaid? Way too many 😂, tho I do recommend the 1975 Japan version, it's the one I grew up with next to Disney(the 1940s concept art of disney TLM is also fascinating to see, I love the tail design too even if it's unconventional and they look more like eels), not the best Japanese animated movies had to offer at that time in terms of animation, but I love the sisters design and many others the movie has to offer, there is also the short Russian one which has one of the most haunting song I've heard but yea, great vid btw, enjoyed your vids a lot

  • @casinotrio1965
    @casinotrio1965 Год назад +10

    i agree with you 1940 Pinocchio will always be the Best !

  • @mabiSM
    @mabiSM Год назад +2

    fair

  • @jessicapinkman-xm2eg
    @jessicapinkman-xm2eg Год назад +2

    so is this guy just not going to continue his disney retrospective not that i give a fuck just asking

  • @liliecoffey8846
    @liliecoffey8846 Год назад +1

    Anyone know if he good or?

    • @therewillbefudd
      @therewillbefudd  Год назад +1

      Still alive! Just had a few personal setbacks, so the next video's been significantly delayed, but it will hopefully be out sometime in September.

  • @mdog100
    @mdog100 Год назад +2

    awesome sauce

  • @daninogil
    @daninogil Год назад +2

    yep 7th was my guess. 21:25

  • @chaddchambers3436
    @chaddchambers3436 2 месяца назад +1

    Wtf

  • @forrestdupre87
    @forrestdupre87 Год назад

    The 1978 version is the most accurate

  • @daninogil
    @daninogil Год назад +1

    what is you letterboxd name?

    • @therewillbefudd
      @therewillbefudd  Год назад +1

      I don't have a public one yet, just one for my own personal archives. Maybe someday I'll link to it if I have time to clean it up a little.

  • @thegnarledpirate9198
    @thegnarledpirate9198 Год назад +1

    Seventh place? God damnit.

  • @whyiamafs
    @whyiamafs Год назад +2

    (55min ago) Hi 😄👋🏾