Selecting the right Ram Pump Size
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- This video was filmed to go on the Land To House Website as a way to help select the right size ram pump. I also talk about Unboxing the pump as well as Drive pipes and Delivery pipe connections and material type. The video might not make sense as a stand alone video on youtube but should on the website.
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Thanks for the great info source -- great job !
I'm looking to push water up about 150 - 200 ft through about 250 ft of hose. I have plenty of gpm, and can find the required head pressure (1-7 = 25-30 ft), but wanted to ask if this was beyond the capacity of the pump in terms of height...
Keep Calm and Ram Pump On 😎 I always enjoy these videos about the magical pumping thingy. 😁
Oh the magic. I have a rather large list of videos to go.
Thank you very much! I'm in Spain and I will definitely try this! I have a question, does the preassure tank affect the preassure of the system? I mean If I increase the size of the preassure tank will it matter or just a regular side one will be enough. Thank you!!
Seth
I have watched a few of your videos but you never get past the size of about 1” that I have seen. I wonder if you couldn’t make one big enough to run a generator. You always talk about head pressure. How about using a lake. That is a lot of head pressure.
Thanks
Bernie
Hello Seth, I was curious to know if this system, or say out take hose delivering water can be adapted for use to supply water to a house? the idea here is to use a cement 1500gl cement cistern 40 feet above the house and then attach the Ram Pump in between the pvc to the main water copper pipe that supplies water to the house. The ram pump would be doing the job of a water pump to supply presure to the house for everyday use of water for showers, laundry, and bathrooms. Do you think it would work????
Ram pump works inside water tank water level of water inside tank is 5 feet. Ram pump works or not inside 5 feet x 5 x 5 LBH space ??????????
Confused .......I have a creek nearby.......so the pump needs to be lower then the creek level ??? Wont the low spot fill with water drowning the pump ?
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Can this ram pump design work without the pressure chamber? Neglecting the "ram" dampening part, will it still function as a water pump?
Hallo, im from North east India, very hilly place, i dont know if your willing to share the information to pump water from a creek to my farm which is about 200 feet high and about 650 feet distance from the creek to my farm
If you reduce the output pipe size to 1/2", would it reduce the required input flowrate from 8 gpm to 6 or 5 gpm?
Helllooo
Do you have ramp pumps that uses dirty water to pump clean water,
This is used where higher head dirty water stream is flowing close to a a low head small stream, so it uses the strength of the dirty water to pump the clean low head water
I can build this for way cheaper
Can you use a ram pump on a well?
Water in well 24 ft from surface grade.
I would like to buy one of these but I am from the Philippines.
Hi, past buyer of 3/4 in ram pump. Love it, love it, but as we are close to ocean, starting to see some corosion. Can you make me a stainless steel pump? Thank you either way, love the pump so much, truly a wonderful contraption.
The SS pumps needed a lot more head pressure just to close the waste valve. I nolonger have those valves because it limited the users a lot.
How can i make it faster? I dont need more water, i just want faster operation
Which has better performance? Waste valve dumper before the pressure tank or the other way around?
Maybe it's a better performance if we'll put waste valve after the pressure tank
@@arnulfonarido7551 tnx sir..
He has already done a video on that. The inline style he makes is a little more efficient, but can't use a snifter valve so he uses a partially inflated inner tube.
Seth I've commented on your pump videos before and enjoy them all, thanks. I have a question I can't recall you addressing, let me see if I can ask this right. Generally you would use a size drive line that is of the same size as the input ball valve such as 1" drive line for a 1" pump. Is there any advantage to having the drive line from say 1 1/2" for the 1" pump? Are there reasons why this isn't done as I've not seen it on any pump that I recall? In my setup I went with a 1 1/4" pump but at times the creek flow slows in the late summer so the pump becomes so slow it will not pump. I made the pump myself and should have gone with a smaller size at the start. Head height on my pump is about 50" and near 80' of run. Spring running water was what I calculated and it was much different in the later summer as the flow decreased. I was just thinking that a larger supply line on a smaller pump would supply the water needed in the slower flow times. Plus I have the 1 1/4" black pipe already. Thanks again for the great videos you make.
I briefly touched on that Concept in previous videos but have not made a dedicated video yet. I am actually standing in the shop putting a bigger hole in my bucket for that video. :) a smaller pump can run on a larger pipe but there are some major inefficiencies. Sometimes even enough to stop the pump. Basically a small check valve is having to push against a large volume of water going back uphill and this causes less output.
@@LandtoHouse Thanks, look forward to another video, and thanks for your reply.
@land to house are there any benefits of using tandem ram pumps?
pls txt me i live in SF california usa
Is there a maximum size to ram pumps or is it just limited by the source and materials?
There are some RUclips videos of giant ones.
Thanks dude! Live long and prosper!!
Thanks for watching!
yeeey ... RAM pumps are back
Yes! I have lots of videos planned. Should be months worth.
Hi there... I want to use a Ram pump in a creek located in a Savannah like setting so there is not much of a drop. The creek has a good flow. Would a bigger drive pipe like a 4" or 2" increase my elevation... My elevation is 30 feet
What about pex?
I admire your tutorials.they Assist so mega ! Just a qstn? 'What would be the estimated appropriation for the pressure cylinder: Is to: valves? Cylinder tube height width diameter, its performance relating with what valves size?
Hello, I'm interested in buying a pump but wondering how to measure how much water is flowing in my creek? Gpm? Maybe stupid question but not sure how?
So for the 1-1/4” ram pump you need 8 gallon per minute feed, does that mean one could expect 8 gallon per minute on the exit?
I was thinking of getting a 1" pump for our other creek. The Clemson article seems to indicate 1.5 gpm minimum. Your values are higher. We definitely don't have 6 gpm. Maybe 2. So the 1/2 or 3/4 I guess?
Please tell me, my Submersible pump head height is 1.4 meters can i use a 3/4" ram pump to overcome this problem i am short 1 meter in height. Thanks
Hi! Will it help if my intake and mechanism is 2 inch diameter, and discharge is at 1 inch, further reduced to 3/4 inch and further reduced to 1/2 inch? How far up the hill can water be pumped in vertical distance can a setup with 2 meters fall (water source to ram pump inlet) ?
Any plans to offer a 2 inch drive pipe size ram pump?
Extrapolating - maybe minimum input 10 GPM
In the video, you said the minimum input requirements were 2 GPM for 1/2 inch drive pipe, 4 GPM for 3/4 inch, 6 GPM for 1" drive pipe and 8 GPM for 1 1/4 inch drive pipe. Were you getting those flow rates for with the 3 ft head? Any idea what the maximum input flow rates would be if more head was available and if the 6 to 1 output ration holds constant for larger volumes? Would a larger drive pipe help or just reduce the velocity of the water headed to the pump?
I think you said the lift was about 20 ft. Any idea if the lift was 10 ft would the same or more water be delivered and would the pressure be the same or different at the lower lift?
At first I thought that all I cared about was the volume of water delivered, but now realized that the pressure also matters if I'm going to run a low pressure sprinkler like a Wobbler or a drip irrigation system, which may also take pressure.
The above may only matter if as much water as possible can be productively used - like for irrigation.
Thanks for the video - I remembered you mentioned the O ring - now I know where it goes on the 1 1/4 ram pump that I have from Land To House, but haven't used yet. Dave from the Water Powered Pumps public Facebook Group:
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These are So Expensive Then The Material is Not That Much This Material Is Around 5$,
Price please
was think of what happens if you put two ram pumps in series. or even two "pumps" attached to one waste valve either before both or in between them. so feed pipe, "horizontal valve"(
Hi L.T.H. what will happen if you connect a water line to your wast valve and can you put the wast valve @ the end of line ( after the pressure tank) ? Gary
Is it suitable for soil water where water level is 25 30 feet from ground
I want to catch water coming off my barn, which sets about 12 to 15 below the level of my garden. If I mount one or more 500 gal water tanks next to the barn but say 3 feet off the ground, can I pump water to tanks at garden level?
Hi! I'm new in all this. So if I have a narrow canal about 1 foot in depth that carries somewhat of a strongish current, is it ok to use 3/4" pump? Thank you!
I, want to sedt 1000000lit sea water within 15 minute, how much ram pumps are required with maximum efficiency?
Is the diameter of your drive pipe the same as the pump?
Will a 5/8 garden hose as a delivery work with a 1 inch pump
The drive pipe needs to match the waste valve. The delivery pipe can be any size you want.
@@LandtoHouse thanks
Do you have a web site, to order the pomp.
Yes I do:
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Good morning sir , thanks so much for the videos i have learnt alot from the. Now i want to find out if the ram pump can be used draw water from the well. Am from Zambia.Regards
Little concerned about bike tube in the water.
What would be ideal size, water safe, commercial pressure tank. I have several 1 gallon extra ones from RO systems and my neighbor giving away a 5yr 40 gallon pressure tank, but would that be to big or is bigger tank better?
Those tanks do work well. I have plans on testing one on the channel in the summer. Depending on the pumps size a 1gallon tank would work. For larger pumps like the 1-1/4" I would go a bit larger like 2 or 3 gallon.
Have you ever daisy-chained multiple units for delivering water to higher elevations?
Bless Day to you & your Beautiful Family🙌
Thank you! Same to you.
Is there effect from distance between waste valve and delivery valve? Can we put in long distance?
What height can it pump water?
A max lift of 180 feet with an input of 25 feet head pressure. Thats a lot of pressure.
Hi. Will a larger pressure tank allow for better flow on the 1/2" system?
Thank you for sharing this knowledge sir ❤
So, how would this do, if using stock ponds and their in line elevation differences?
I.e, I have a silt tank @5' elevation drop draining into a 2 acre stock tank, that overflows with a 9' elevation drop into another 2 acre stock tank!
Springtime I have good overflow, but could this be continued with just siphoned water?
If the drive pipe with elbo and 3 foot pipe and elbo not too long
is it a swing valve sir?
Yes.
Question:
For a fast creek, the larger diameter drive pump will obviously deliver more water to the pump than the smaller diameter pipe. I am still confused on which size to get. I bet that I could easily get 8 gallons per minute from 1 1/4 pvc, but with only ~ 2-3 feet of head pressure. The smaller diameter pipes will deliver less. Should I bring different sizes to the creek and measure the flow through each? Or is it just safer to get a smaller size?
Somewhat related questions: can I use a 3 inch pvc pipe, then couple it down to 1” right before the pump? Will this create more flow, or somehow increase the head pressure delivered?
Thank you so much for your AWESOME videos!!
This is a champion question. I also need the answer here.
how do u determine tank size? is it a ratio to drive size?
Do you have a good source for 1 1/2 inch poly pipe? It's pretty expensive and doesn't seem readily avaliable at HD or Lowes in store.
My local plumbing store has it at around $0.65 per foot. It is costly.
I watched most of your RAM pump videos why do you say your delivery pipe can be any size you want and it makes no difference but right here in your video you have it reduced smaller than the Drive pipe if it makes no difference why do you have it reduced.
Thanks for watching! Reducing the delivery pipe size helps with cost. Say you are running a 1-1/4" pump and the delivery is 900 feet long. You would save a few hundred dollars with 3/4" pipe vs 1-1/4" delivery.
Delivery pipe must be 1 inch or half inch
What do you call those T connected to the pressure tank?
Those are T fittings. Or tee fittings.
Will a siphon system from a pond with sufficient drive line length/drop etc reliably run the pump?
Nevermind, got it from your website. Got an estimated service life for the valves?
Hi.
Do u do shipping to Malaysia?
Is this Ram pump work on deep well?
let me get this straight.......if the water head is 10 meters, the ram pump will lift the water 70 meters up ????
There is a cap at approximately 54 meters. The waste valve is not heavy enough to reopen with higher input head pressure.
If you let the 5 gallon source run empty, when you re add water to the source, will the pump start back on it's own or do you have to manually restart it again?
When air enters slowly into the drive pipe it causes the pump to stop with the valve open. When more water is introduced it typically causes the valve to snap closed and stay closed. I have run a test before using an automatic timer valve that allowed the pump to restart on its own but it all depended on which state the valve was in when the timer went off
So much help! Ty! Well done!
I want to get one for my parents back home in Laos, where can I get one?
Please go to
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which size will generate more lift assuming all other factors are the same
Each seems to operate on about the same ratio. 1:7 head pressure to lift.
Can i buy ready made or finished product ram pump please?
Yes, as he said in his video, he sells them.
would metal or stiffer material work better for the drive pipe?
Yes.
Thanks Seth for making the great overview video. Nice to have as a reference so I don't have to waste time looking up various specifications. Very best regards from the Pac Nor'west.
Several years ago I made a video like this for my website. It is way outdated so I decided to update it. Figured it would help somebody
How much Sir...Pump with out electric..
Please check the Land To House website.
www.landtohouse.com/rampumpsales
What materials need for the pressure tank, the size need it, I start assemble ram pump 1/2
I like to use a 15" long 2" pvc pipe. With connections or is around 18" total. .
well explained with volume differences.
Thank you. It is a very common question.
That was good there was no clickbait to it
Yes right to the point.
Hi Set, in a previous videos, on the delivery pipe of the ram pump you had added a tee with a bit of pipe open on the top at about 3 to 4 ' high .
What was it for ?
Can't remember, why you use that setup.
Was it to augment the pressure at the pump ?
I would like to buy one of your pump , but , the hill that i have to rise the water is quite consequent, about 40 meter of height with a length of pipe , between 500 meters to 600 meters.
Should i build a bigger pump than yours or your 1 1/4 " would be enough ?
Like the videos.
Enjoy every bit of them .
I use a pipe known as a "stand pipe" on the drive pipe to bring the source closer to the pump. This is used when the drive pipe needs to be long to gain the needed head pressure.
If you need to lift water that high you will need a waste valve that is heavier than the swing valves I use. 40 meters is too high for the swing valve.
@@LandtoHouse thanks to answer so quikly , should I make one myself, or could could i get one somewhere?
The only company I know of has stopped shipping. It was Rife Ram company.
How much sir?
nice information
This is great! How I wish I had known. I would have been a successful farmer in my village. We have streams, creeks and rivers all over in my country but we lack the these simple techniques to make use of the water. Thank you! I am very highly inspired.
I am happy to know you are inspired! I am helping a local farmer get water to the top of his farm for watering cows. Those videos will come out later.
I would love to see all your videos. The are very educating and with your step by step explanation, I will be also be able to teach other resource poor farmers my community how to send water up their fields from the streams nearby.
Great job
Are you using a 4” pressure tube on your 1” pump?
The 1" has a 3" by 19" pvc. The cap and coupling make the tank 24" tall.
amazing value
Does it matter how big/small the diameter of the delivery pipe? Does the diameter of the delivery pipe have to be same as the check valve?
It's required to use half inch delivery pipe if you have 2 inch waste valve
@@arnulfonarido7551 what will happen if the delivery pipe diameter is greater or lesser than half inch?
The drive pipe must be the same size as the waste valve. The delivery pipe can be any size you want as long as friction does not slow down the water. Typically the delivery pipe is half the size of the drive pipe
If the delivery pipe is too small you'll have friction loss. If it is too big it just cost more. no issues with pumping water
is waste valve and check valve the same?
The check valve is the name of the component used. There are 2 check valves used in the ram pump. The waste valve and the inline valve.
i like your rum pump how much thr cost
Hello. Thank you. You can find the cost of each size on the website:
www.landtohouse.com
is this saltwater friendly?
It's made of PVC and brass. Last I knew salt water did not affect those materials much.
You have a saltwater stream or river??
Complete assembling...
Yes these pumps come pre assembled.
thanks, how can I order one ?
Hello. Theses are available on the
www.landtohouse.com website and on Amazon. (Amazon stock goes in and out weekly)
I would want to see a 2"rampump how it works
It would work just the same expect it would require a lot more water.
How much approximate water will I get with the 2"pump per minute.. and how thick my drive pipe can be.does it has to be 2" too???
It would need to be 2" for the drive pipe. I have not worked with the 2". You could likely get around 2gpm or more. That's over 2000 gallons a day pumped.
Oh.. and final question what will be the size of my pressure tank and how high.???
You will be good with a 4" pipe 30" long.
what inside that pressure tank ?
The pressure tank has a partially inflated bicycle tube. This helps to reduce water logging of the tank
@@LandtoHouse oh thank you
Too bad this isn’t covered in the video. You might even make a demo pump with a clear pressure tube for illustration. Also is the shock wave building and with it gets big enough it goes by itself? Newbie trying to grasp why this works.
Hello. I actually have over 100 videos on the ram pump. There are even a couple with a clear PVC pressure tank. It should be helpful in understanding how it works :)
Land to House sorry... I forgot to check for other videos
Know this though... "IF" you are planning to use a "Garden Hose", there is also a different PVC attachment you need, because the threading is different than regular threading in "PVC" piping., so make sure you get the correct adapters. ;-) hehe