You did it! You found the all around bike for me. Will go like the WW2 army motorcycle but quiet and electric. Good for camping, hunting, and as a normal ebike. Dual motors and batteries, plus all the attachment points can hold other batteries and a small power station for recharging anywhere.
This bike looks like a winner for hunters and campers. A lot more bike than a Quietkat for less money. They did some nice, thoughtful touches with tow hooks, lots of threaded mounts, and 2nd battery connection. This bike looks well set up for woods use except for the flimsy tires. I like it.
Top notch review !!! This bike is perfect for hunting. No need to go fast. I have had other ebikes for hunting. One with rear suspension very disappointing couldn’t get a rack to work. To be able to stand upright is great. Leaning over handle bars was never pleasant on a more conventional frame. I really feel this bike was designed by hunters. The pros: Step through. Wide wheels. Heavy spokes Front fork design. Dual hub (selectable). Front and rear rack. Torque sensing. Handle bar design. Heavy duty. Headlight. Chain tensioner. Suspension seat. Rear fender clearance. Accessories mounts. Trailer tow hooks PRICE PRICE !!! Cons: No front fender. Center kickstand. Conector for battery exposed. PAS selection. Reality,these cons are crazy easy work arounds. I can figure something out on a fender maybe a splash guard on battery pack with velcro. Kickstand, just replace it. Battery connector, e-tape will fix that. PAS selection, i leave mine in any one position most of the time. I cant believe some of the lame reviews. I have looked at alot of bikes. This awesome review convinced me. Mine will be here tomorrow.
@kenn1320 The bike far has exceeded my expectations. I am super pumped about it. I have e-bike friends and family that have ridden it as well. They were very Impressed. I have reached out to customer service about a possible battery issue. They have sent a new one out, no questions asked. I like it better than Quite Kat. They even corrected some things fr the results of this video review. I really like the center kickstand. They have installed a port for battery connector with rubber plug. The price was awesome for the product. This beast climbs a very impressive slope, made me nervous. I have come up with a great option for a front fender. I was able to go into settings and adust the top speed. There is more pluses by far. All and all I wouldn't change a thing. It was very hard to make a blind purchase, I had never done that before.
I think EMTBs for hunting are great. I have an E-CELLS Super MonarchCrown 2 wheel drive,2 batteries, Dual suspension with Tektro Dorado 4 piston brakes on 201 mm rotors that are 2.3 mm thick. Shimano DeOre 10 speed gearing plus 9 pedal assist levels. I use it for hunting here in Nevada where covering ground is theme of the game in hunting. My bike can carry 400 pounds including my weight. My bike costs $5,100. from Pharump Nevada, 50 miles north of Las Vegas. Great quality bike
How do you think the Birch Grolar would compare to a fabulous havoc dual motor step thru ? The fabulous is 20 inch tire and probably has more torque and easier to maneuver in woods between tree etc. Your thoughts on a bike that would be best for hunting that isn't 5 grand ?
@Crayz919 Thought I might chime in on your reply. I looked at 20" wheels. My son just downsized his to a 20". The derailleur is a lot closer to the ground. It has been a problem with bending from rocks and branches. The Grolar isn't a technical bike. The turning radius is considerably larger. I was concerned about that when riding with my sons. It really works well, though. that hasn't been an issue yet, and knock on wood.
I ride up and down mountains in the Yukon using AWD ebikes. The primary motor I use is the front, as it is better for weaving in between trees stumps and boulders. Where you point is where you go. At least one of those motors should have Regen for a hunting bike especially hauling a trailer . Saves on brake pads and is more maneuverable on steep hills.
Excellent review! Thank you. My only concern is the lack of a front fender. It seems like that will be a problem when riding on wet ground. Do you think it will be possible to add an after-market front fender?
@charlesschulz5819 it actually might be difficult to add a front fender. normally they attached to the forks and the point where they attached is really high up on this bike
I was able to install a threaded tube insert for bikes. I bought an aftermarket snow fenders. With some fender washers and longer bolt it works great. Looks like it belongs on there. Easy removal for battery removal is something to do before removal for charging. No biggie though.
@@tomjones3653 Tom, Im in the process of sorting out a front fender. I purchased a generic fender kit and will see what I come up with. I would be interested in what you came up with.
@kenn1320 Hi, I picked up a threaded bicycle neck insert off of eBay. The fender was a fat tire snow bike fender. It came with a couple of options for mounting. I didn't use any of it other than one braket. The braket has two offset angles. I flipped it over and attached the second largest fender to it. With the largest fender attached to the other end. This fender covers the battery. The other tucks up nice to the front rack. I was able to install (expand) the insert between the forks hidden from view. The insert is threaded in the middle to accommodate a metric allen bolt through a couple of SS fender washers. I am sure my instructions are a pain. Just wanted to give you the quick rundown. If you like, I should be able to send a couple of pics and links. When I installed it , I had every intention to reproduce the braket I used. Actually it (the one in fender kit) isn't working too badly. It is just a little light for my liking. It does tend to make a little tapping noise on rack and battery occasionally. I put a piece of thin adhesive foam where it contacted. I guess the only downside to my contraption is you have to remove fender and braket. To access the battery. Fine with me, though. I charge it in place nine times out of ten anyway. I am still stoked about this bike. I hope you are as happy as I am with yours. That is if you got one. Anyway, keep an eye out for my follow-up. Thanks Tom
@charlesschulz5819 Hey, I'm sorry I didn't see your reply. I did go over it somewhat. It is in another reply, again I apologize for not reaching out to you sooner. Tom
Drive modes on my Philodo H8 are really simple... if you pedal it's in Rear drive only, if you use the throttle it's in AWD with both motors, there is no front drive only.
It looks ok, but there are a few hard tail versions of a dual motor ebikes. this one is made sturdy. as is when compared to the others (?) my opinion is maybe $1,900 usd delivered price yeah Id change out the things you mention. I dont really need a front rack, so bye to that, the center stand? (prolly good on a hard level surface) wont find too many places hard n level out in the woods, oops. yeah the side kickstand will be a good thing to put on (of course it didnt on my trail bikes have, heavy duty, tipsy on uneven ground ;) ) Im thinking they will fix the drive modes [I would hope so] the early 4x4 was kinda involved too, but it worked. [yup I left mine in 4x4 most of the time] not a game changer, but a nice thing for those that want to shift on the move. Me? Id likely leave it in dual drive most of the time, as it is a bit inconvenient to go thru the change process a lot. {im sure they will get too many service calls and change it because of that.} nice to see it in the dirt, there are too many vids of ebikes on pavement. yeah I have a couple ebikes that are pavement princess and they are fine for that purpose. but yeah a fat tire ebike is foe gravel/dirt and no across the lawn is not really "off" road [IMO] lol
UL Listed?? - will this ebike (Battery) be legal in New York? You do an amazing job reviewing these ebikes. It would be great for many of us if you started including safety standard certifications. At least for the Battery packs (UL2271).
To the best of my knowledge it is Not UL certified. I dont see any stickers on the bike and don't see the claim anywhere on their website so i would say its not.
@darinsmith2458 honestly I thought it was fine as a hardtail, when I was doing off-road riding, I was just crawling along at 5 to 10 mph didn't really need rear suspension
No front mudguard. The cable from the front hub probably become broken fast. 25ah battery it's not big. The front fork look cheap same like my one from Allixpress. The spokes are thick. Chain tension-er it's too far away from the chain ring. The cable for extra battery hanging out unsecured. 2x 750watt it's not strong enough for heavy person. 25amp also it's not strong. The 25ah battery will be drained so fast by this two 750watt hubs. Probably after one year every day usage the battery will lost half life. I know it from own experience. As a person who building his own Enduro bicycle i can say this bike it's only good for commuting in city and out city and shopping.
No front mudguard. A: I agree, needs a front mudguard. The cable from the front hub probably become broken fast. A: No issues to report 25ah battery it's not big. A: Last forever. I ride the heck out of it in throttle only and surprised to see still 85% The front fork look cheap same like my one from Allixpress. A: Inverted air fork. Has compression and rebound adjustments, nothing cheap about it. The spokes are thick. A: Thats how you get a 400lb payload capacity Chain tension-er it's too far away from the chain ring. A: Ive had the chain pop off on bumpy terrain, throttle only. It could use a gaurd on that tensioner to keep the chain on it. The cable for extra battery hanging out unsecured. A: Prototype bike, my production model doesnt have that issue. 2x 750watt it's not strong enough for heavy person. A: Im 225 and they are great. On flat ground with my 160lb son on the back rack, its fine. On steep hill, I noticed the added weight. 25amp also it's not strong. A: I cant comment, but the bike is exciting to ride The 25ah battery will be drained so fast by this two 750watt hubs. A: Nope, I throttle only all over and very happy with battery capacity. Probably after one year every day usage the battery will lost half life. I know it from own experience. A: Stay tuned.............. As a person who building his own Enduro bicycle i can say this bike it's only good for commuting in city and out city and shopping. A: Build a few more, cause this bike is not how you assume. Ive already pulled a big deer on a hawk crawler cart with it. I guess you could say its good for country boy shopping out in the sticks.
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You did it! You found the all around bike for me. Will go like the WW2 army motorcycle but quiet and electric. Good for camping, hunting, and as a normal ebike. Dual motors and batteries, plus all the attachment points can hold other batteries and a small power station for recharging anywhere.
This bike looks like a winner for hunters and campers. A lot more bike than a Quietkat for less money. They did some nice, thoughtful touches with tow hooks, lots of threaded mounts, and 2nd battery connection. This bike looks well set up for woods use except for the flimsy tires.
I like it.
Top notch review !!!
This bike is perfect for hunting. No need to go fast. I have had other ebikes for hunting. One with rear suspension very disappointing couldn’t get a rack to work. To be able to stand upright is great. Leaning over handle bars was never pleasant on a more conventional frame. I really feel this bike was designed by hunters.
The pros:
Step through.
Wide wheels.
Heavy spokes
Front fork design.
Dual hub (selectable).
Front and rear rack.
Torque sensing.
Handle bar design.
Heavy duty.
Headlight.
Chain tensioner.
Suspension seat.
Rear fender clearance.
Accessories mounts.
Trailer tow hooks
PRICE PRICE !!!
Cons:
No front fender.
Center kickstand.
Conector for battery exposed.
PAS selection.
Reality,these cons are crazy easy work arounds. I can figure something out on a fender maybe a splash guard on battery pack with velcro.
Kickstand, just replace it.
Battery connector, e-tape will fix that.
PAS selection, i leave mine in any one position most of the time.
I cant believe some of the lame reviews.
I have looked at alot of bikes.
This awesome review convinced me. Mine will be here tomorrow.
Well whats your thoughts now?
@kenn1320 The bike far has exceeded my expectations. I am super pumped about it. I have e-bike friends and family that have ridden it as well. They were very Impressed. I have reached out to customer service about a possible battery issue. They have sent a new one out, no questions asked. I like it better than Quite Kat. They even corrected some things fr the results of this video review. I really like the center kickstand. They have installed a port for battery connector with rubber plug. The price was awesome for the product. This beast climbs a very impressive slope, made me nervous. I have come up with a great option for a front fender. I was able to go into settings and adust the top speed. There is more pluses by far. All and all I wouldn't change a thing. It was very hard to make a blind purchase, I had never done that before.
Love all the hunting specific features
Great video...... any chance of reviewing E-Cells 5 star bike, maybe against Wired Freedom?
I've been wondering about this myself
That looks like a sweet bike!
Thank you
I think EMTBs for hunting are great. I have an E-CELLS Super MonarchCrown 2 wheel drive,2 batteries, Dual suspension with Tektro Dorado 4 piston brakes on 201 mm rotors that are 2.3 mm thick. Shimano DeOre 10 speed gearing plus 9 pedal assist levels.
I use it for hunting here in Nevada where covering ground is theme of the game in hunting. My bike can carry 400 pounds including my weight. My bike costs $5,100. from Pharump Nevada, 50 miles north of Las Vegas. Great quality bike
How do you think the Birch Grolar would compare to a fabulous havoc dual motor step thru ? The fabulous is 20 inch tire and probably has more torque and easier to maneuver in woods between tree etc. Your thoughts on a bike that would be best for hunting that isn't 5 grand ?
@Crayz919
Thought I might chime in on your reply. I looked at 20" wheels. My son just downsized his to a 20". The derailleur is a lot closer to the ground. It has been a problem with bending from rocks and branches. The Grolar isn't a technical bike. The turning radius is considerably larger. I was concerned about that when riding with my sons. It really works well, though. that hasn't been an issue yet, and knock on wood.
I ride up and down mountains in the Yukon using AWD ebikes. The primary motor I use is the front, as it is better for weaving in between trees stumps and boulders. Where you point is where you go. At least one of those motors should have Regen for a hunting bike especially hauling a trailer . Saves on brake pads and is more maneuverable on steep hills.
Another great review.
Which trail system is that? I'm SW of downtown.
How would this bike compare to tbe FABULOUS dual motor step thru e bikes for off road and quality powerful hunting bike , buzz around town on !
Very informative
THE HOOKS ON THE BOTTOM ARE FOR A TRAILER. I ONLY KNOW BECAUSE I WON THE TRAILER FOR MINE
Excellent review! Thank you. My only concern is the lack of a front fender. It seems like that will be a problem when riding on wet ground. Do you think it will be possible to add an after-market front fender?
@charlesschulz5819 it actually might be difficult to add a front fender. normally they attached to the forks and the point where they attached is really high up on this bike
I was able to install a threaded tube insert for bikes. I bought an aftermarket snow fenders. With some fender washers and longer bolt it works great. Looks like it belongs on there. Easy removal for battery removal is something to do before removal for charging. No biggie though.
@@tomjones3653 Tom, Im in the process of sorting out a front fender. I purchased a generic fender kit and will see what I come up with. I would be interested in what you came up with.
@kenn1320
Hi,
I picked up a threaded bicycle neck insert off of eBay. The fender was a fat tire snow bike fender. It came with a couple of options for mounting. I didn't use any of it other than one braket. The braket has two offset angles. I flipped it over and attached the second largest fender to it. With the largest fender attached to the other end. This fender covers the battery. The other tucks up nice to the front rack. I was able to install (expand) the insert between the forks hidden from view. The insert is threaded in the middle to accommodate a metric allen bolt through a couple of SS fender washers. I am sure my instructions are a pain. Just wanted to give you the quick rundown. If you like, I should be able to send a couple of pics and links. When I installed it , I had every intention to reproduce the braket I used. Actually it (the one in fender kit) isn't working too badly. It is just a little light for my liking. It does tend to make a little tapping noise on rack and battery occasionally. I put a piece of thin adhesive foam where it contacted. I guess the only downside to my contraption is you have to remove fender and braket. To access the battery. Fine with me, though. I charge it in place nine times out of ten anyway. I am still stoked about this bike. I hope you are as happy as I am with yours. That is if you got one.
Anyway, keep an eye out for my follow-up.
Thanks Tom
@charlesschulz5819
Hey, I'm sorry I didn't see your reply. I did go over it somewhat. It is in another reply, again I apologize for not reaching out to you sooner.
Tom
Frame looks suspiciously like the zebra😉
Drive modes on my Philodo H8 are really simple... if you pedal it's in Rear drive only, if you use the throttle it's in AWD with both motors, there is no front drive only.
It looks ok, but there are a few hard tail versions of a dual motor ebikes.
this one is made sturdy.
as is when compared to the others (?) my opinion is maybe $1,900 usd delivered price
yeah Id change out the things you mention.
I dont really need a front rack, so bye to that, the center stand? (prolly good on a hard level surface)
wont find too many places hard n level out in the woods, oops. yeah the side kickstand will be a good thing to put on (of course it didnt on my trail bikes have, heavy duty, tipsy on uneven ground ;) )
Im thinking they will fix the drive modes [I would hope so]
the early 4x4 was kinda involved too, but it worked. [yup I left mine in 4x4 most of the time]
not a game changer, but a nice thing for those that want to shift on the move.
Me? Id likely leave it in dual drive most of the time, as it is a bit inconvenient to go thru the change process a lot. {im sure they will get too many service calls and change it because of that.}
nice to see it in the dirt, there are too many vids of ebikes on pavement.
yeah I have a couple ebikes that are pavement princess and they are fine for that purpose.
but yeah a fat tire ebike is foe gravel/dirt and no across the lawn is not really "off" road [IMO] lol
This Birch is AWESOME! Any EU Dealer or Amazon link (EU warehouse) ?? :-)
If they offered the option to un-limit speed to 35 mph, I would buy 2 of them.
I was able to adjust mine to 30mph in the advanced settings. It works great.
Oh hell no! No Shock on the rear is a Hard NO for me.
No rear shock is a deal killer for me
@@JoeJones-sm6yhI was worried about no rear shock as well. The seat and the crazy fork travel has really impressed me. I love the bike
Hey, great video! Any chance you could do a review of the Lectric Xpress 750?
@kbarnes0 ill be getting the Xpress bike later this week
How loud is the bike?
Does this out perform the wired cruiser in a hunting scenario? Is it really that much bigger than the cruiser?
i would say yes, better for hunting, more cargo capacity, AWD will be helpful offroad and also for carrying heavy loads.
Do these have the Bafang motors on the front and rear? Thanks for the review
@@dondammert shengyi motors
Can I get this with thinner tires?
@celestialtl no they don't have that option, and you definitely could not put a thin tire on that extra wide rim
UL Listed?? - will this ebike (Battery) be legal in New York? You do an amazing job reviewing these ebikes. It would be great for many of us if you started including safety standard certifications. At least for the Battery packs (UL2271).
To the best of my knowledge it is Not UL certified. I dont see any stickers on the bike and don't see the claim anywhere on their website so i would say its not.
What hub motors are they using? They’re not bafang
Shengyi Motors
Do you think it should be full suspension?
@darinsmith2458 honestly I thought it was fine as a hardtail, when I was doing off-road riding, I was just crawling along at 5 to 10 mph didn't really need rear suspension
@@CitizenCycle925 thank you
No front mudguard.
The cable from the front hub probably become broken fast.
25ah battery it's not big.
The front fork look cheap same like my one from Allixpress.
The spokes are thick.
Chain tension-er it's too far away from the chain ring.
The cable for extra battery hanging out unsecured.
2x 750watt it's not strong enough for heavy person.
25amp also it's not strong.
The 25ah battery will be drained so fast by this two 750watt hubs.
Probably after one year every day usage the battery will lost half life. I know it from own experience.
As a person who building his own Enduro bicycle i can say this bike it's only good for commuting in city and out city and shopping.
No front mudguard.
A: I agree, needs a front mudguard.
The cable from the front hub probably become broken fast.
A: No issues to report
25ah battery it's not big.
A: Last forever. I ride the heck out of it in throttle only and surprised to see still 85%
The front fork look cheap same like my one from Allixpress.
A: Inverted air fork. Has compression and rebound adjustments, nothing cheap about it.
The spokes are thick.
A: Thats how you get a 400lb payload capacity
Chain tension-er it's too far away from the chain ring.
A: Ive had the chain pop off on bumpy terrain, throttle only. It could use a gaurd on that tensioner to keep the chain on it.
The cable for extra battery hanging out unsecured.
A: Prototype bike, my production model doesnt have that issue.
2x 750watt it's not strong enough for heavy person.
A: Im 225 and they are great. On flat ground with my 160lb son on the back rack, its fine. On steep hill, I noticed the added weight.
25amp also it's not strong.
A: I cant comment, but the bike is exciting to ride
The 25ah battery will be drained so fast by this two 750watt hubs.
A: Nope, I throttle only all over and very happy with battery capacity.
Probably after one year every day usage the battery will lost half life. I know it from own experience.
A: Stay tuned..............
As a person who building his own Enduro bicycle i can say this bike it's only good for commuting in city and out city and shopping.
A: Build a few more, cause this bike is not how you assume. Ive already pulled a big deer on a hawk crawler cart with it. I guess you
could say its good for country boy shopping out in the sticks.
I'm giving You a courtesy thumbs up. All this dual motor dual battery stuff is of no real interest to Me. Have fun.
Surprised u didn't get a flat
I believe they come with the tannus inserts/tubes.
Wow .. well thats surprising. @kenn1320