I got you now! - Stephen A. claims victory over Kendrick Perkins in LeBron vs MJ debate | First Take
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2020
- Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman agree that Michael Jordan cannot be replaced by LeBron James as the GOAT, but Kendrick Perkins argues otherwise.
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“Lebron is universally respected, MJ was universally feared.” One of Stephen As best takes.
And it's not even an exaggeration. You can search RUclips for anecdotal evidence of MJ bringing fear in his opponents. None for LeBron, what I saw is a video of him shouting "F*k!" (visibly flustered) when Kawhi came back in to guard him. Never ever saw MJ scared of guarding or being guarded by anyone.
@@mr.j6983 None for LeBron is an exaggeration though, LeBronto is a prime example out of many to counter your statement. And I said that as someone who's from Toronto lol.
@@xuhuizhang6297 I can understand your take but that Kawhi Toronto though was very strong.. ain't no way that team is losing against the CAVS
@@flakyderelict9820 I don't understand why you're bringing up Kawhi Toronto when LeBron already moved to LA last year. The example I mentioned was the years when Demar was there and we lost everytime we met LeBron.
@@flakyderelict9820 But they almost lost to the 76ers if it wasn't for a lucky shot that took a lucky bounce off a travel the same possession? LeBron brought fear to Toronto and I say that as the Raptors are my favourite team. Dude completely shut down people from going to the finals for 8 straight years that the allstars had to run to the west to have a chance!!
Max could agree with every word Stephen A said and he will still look mad af when he starts speaking 😂😂😂😂
I was thinking the same thing 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Jamar Clark MJ is the goat Lmao... talk about getting carried lebron gets carried
@@nuevenoah7154 tell it
@@nuevenoah7154 Lebron got carried by who? He’s done all the carrying lmao dumbest comment ever
Kendrick Perkins is all over LBJ D**k largely because of LBJ taking the lead in what's going on outside of basketball. Perk refused to acknowledge that anyone in today's game is on or near LeBron's level. He wouldn't even put Kevin Durant in the argument completely contrary to what Stephen A and Max were saying, which is he's been the best pure scorer of the past 6 or 7 years from anywhere on the floor. Yes LeBron James is better than Kevin Durant, but if you ask people who you would like on your team right now between Durant and LBJ, it's not like it's an automatic LBJ without even thinking. People are going to stand there scratch their head and think about it for a minute. Worst of all is Max and Stephen A are giving him straight facts in regards to why Michael Jordan is considered the goat by 73% of NBA players yet he refuses to listen and just keeps blabbing. Kendrick Perkins, what kind of education system did they have in Nederland, Texas?
I think hands down Perk saying Jordan couldn't handle the pressure is easily the worst comment I've heard when this debate gets bought up
So Perk is saying a guy who never lost a Finals, never folded in the most titanic moments in the Finals, can't handle the pressure, but a guy who lost 6 Finals can....yeah okay Perk.
Somebody in the other comments said MJ himself admitted to taking a break from b-ball because he couldn’t handle the pressure(when he played baseball)
I saw a comment somewhere else that Austin Carr was better than MJ so I guess Perk has to accept a silver medal 🤣
Jordan was laughing every time other teams pressuring him.
He can handle the pressure but quit on the Bulls twice leaving them hanging and prevented them from winning possibly 4th straight NBA championships who retired twice that needs to be brought into the goat debate
MJ can’t handle pressure? That’s like saying granny can’t cook..
Granny isn't even close to have a team and dynasty of HOF and specialist cooks surrounding him and taking the risk, challenge and pressure away no matter what.
I guess Rodman in that case would say "nobody can score a dish on this Bulls team" instead of talking about buckets.
Y'all double-teaming KP just seems unfair 😂
&& Everybody Knows Grandma Can Cook 💯
Lol
This is good stuff right here I dont care who you are lol!
Perk’s voice was shaking when he said jordan couldn’t handle pressure 🤣 he ain’t even believe that himself
lmfaooooo
I can't believe that came out his mouth....he's showing his age for real there.
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@74bhop hes nearly the same age as lebron like 35-36. its not age its just perkins
@boss dawg LOL. YOu do know the season after PIstons won their back to back, MJ swept them out of the playoffs and ending all of those players careers?????? This was when the 'rough play' aka Jordan rules was still going on.
You must be a young pup LMAO
Imagine thinking MJ couldn’t hand the pressure 😂😂😂😂
People really don't get just how bad the Bulls were during Jordan's early years. MJ was the only reason they were able to win as many games as they did.
Max just straight up laughed at him that was so funny LOL
I thought I heard him say that, are you kidding me KP?? The guy is a clearly biased towards Lebron and at this point it's just flat out ridiculous how he doesn't even try to hide it. Don't get me wrong Lebron is a truly special player and will go down as top 3 easily imo, but personally Jordan will always be the GOAT simply because at his peak, no one was a good as him.
Colin Cowherd said Jordan in his prime couldn’t lead the Lakers to a ring like LeBron could.
Let’s break it down:
*Lakers vs Blazers:* Jordan would have no issues against defensive “juggernauts” like Lillard, fractured back McCollum, 36 year old Carmelo, Jusuf Nurkic and Hassan Lazyside.
*Lakers vs Houston Midgets:* anchored by a 6’5’ with a 10 inch vertical PJ Tucker and pudgy Harden and Gordon. Ahh yes Jordan would struggle against that. LeBrons supporting cast averaged 85.2 PPG.
*Lakers vs Nuggets:* a ferocious defensive tandem of Murray and Porter. Plus the athletic freak of nature Nikola Jokic as the rim protector. AD averaged 31.2 PPG against that. Scottie Pippen could never.
*Lakers vs Heat:* this Miami team has more plumbers than all of Jordan’s finals opponents combined. Jordan defeated a Heat team with Mourning, Mashburn and Hardaway. Jimmy Butler, Adebayo and Herro are no competition.
Yeah he lied on that one
This man said Michael Jordan couldn't handle the pressure. 😂🤣
How else would you characterize a player who quit each time (twice) pressure mounted?
After winning 3 in a row each time the man got bored
@@demetriusbruno1493 Goats don't get bored of the grind. And they don't retire the minute the coach who saved their career leaves, and they don't shy away from the pressure to go play softball in the minor leagues.
@@edwardfitzgerald3877 Which pressure? So, by the same analogy Bill Gates quit under pressure? Too much money and he quit to spend it and too many rings and no more motivation! So, what pressure are you guys really talking about? Can you explain this pressure stuff more for people to understand because I watched MJ play when he played and I didn’t notice the pressure issue and why does Lebron jump all over the place from one team to another just to win a title? Do great players jump around?
@@nikenneji1167 Michael Jordan is a lucky version of Derick Rose. Super talented. super athletic. Can't make nobody better. Geniuses make others better. Geniuses don't have to be players though. They may be GMs or coaches. Greg Popovic is a genius. Phil Jackson is a genius. LeBron James is a genius. Pat Riley is a genius. They are a rare breed. They think the game differently. Michael Jordan was unable to carry his team before Phil. Phil didn't help him become better. Phil made the rest of the team better. Jordan knew that if he stuck around post Phil, the team would suck just like before Phil arrived to save the day. Jordan didn't want that on his resumé. Also, he was afraid of the grind. He took two years off between his threepeats to recharge his batteries. He was out of juice after three straight finals. He could not handle the pressure and the load. He quit twice. His tank was weak. His mind was weak. He got lucky Phil Jackson saved his career.
“LeBron is universally respected. Jordan was universally feared.”
So true. Jordan terrified so many of his opponents. Stephen A. makes the Jordan argument better than anyone I’ve heard so far.
True but Max absolutely murdered perk with facts💯😭
Jordan also played against truck driverd.
@@jackjax7921 Truck drivers like Karl Malone, and gym teachers like Dan Majerle.
@@arsonhakobyan and rappers like prime shaq?
How y’all gonna double team Perk when he couldn’t even shoot over Steve Nash 😂😂😂
Charles 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Because he is a troll..
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Stephen A had the best line of all, and it's all that need be said - "LeBron is respected, MJ was FEARED." You can drop the mic after that one. Thanks for playing.
Exactly
@Tank White go cry in a corner big baby
@Tank White look up the detroit pistons "Jordan rules" . You just showed how little you actually know. Look it up
Yea milk man fear jordan... when everyone is at your caliber no one gonna fear u
@Ta-Kuan Fuan and that same Bird that magic feared said its just "God dressed up as Michael Jordan"
"LeBron James was respected, Jordan was feared" game over!!!!!!
Last week he was just talking ab how ppl don’t guard lebron good bc their scared of him lol. This dude is so inconsistent.
@@24kobe243 Ok Bronsexual
@@siddhantandhale2296 smh is that all you can say
@@bennaq788 No I Cam Say Lebron Is 2nd Or 3rd On my all time List But i dont Like His Fanboys In Media and Everywherelse
@@siddhantandhale2296 So how is the guy a Fanboy for calling out Stephan A on his inconsistencies i dont think it is justified for you call him that on that comment but you do you
Kendrick shakes his head when max and Stephen a literally say factual statements like I don’t understand what he’s disagreeing with, that the fact that the rules in the nba didn’t change?
“Couldn’t handle the pressure “ won in college, won a Olympic gold before being drafted into the NBA. But whatever you say Mr. 5.8 rebounds per game as a center.
MJ IS THE GOAT AND WILL REMAIN THE GOAT UNTIL SOMEBODY CAN CHANGE THE GAME JUST LIKE OR EVEN BETTER LIKE MJ DID.
LBJ IS JUST A GOOD PLAYER THAT'S IT.
MJ NOT JUST WON RINGS HE BROUGHT THE GAME TO A DIFFERENT LEVEL WHERE NBA BECOME VERY POPULAR AROUND THE WORLD BECAUSE OF THE WAY MJ WAS PLAYING THEN.
Quit twice when pressure mounted.
Edward Fitzgerald yes after winning the title 3 times twice, so much pressure...🤦♂️
Michael won in college or did James Worthy carry the Tar Heels to victory. What happened after Worthy went to the NBA? Out of the tournament before the elite eight.
Quit with the false narrative.
@@toussaintmathurin1281 that was the marketing teams of the Bulls and the NBA selling his smile to make the NBA global. If it wasn't Michael it was going to be someone else. Praising Michael for the game going global is plain moronic.
I’m a Big LeBron fan but dudes like KP are why people hate LeBron and his fans
100%
Facts. It forces you to go in on lbj
@Christopher Mikrowelle you're either high or delusional my friend.....🤣😂🤣
yup
Nick Wright too
Michael Jordan was the guy that made the NBA what it is today. He made it gain national and international attention. There is a reason this man was called Black Jesus. He could literally hit a switch and turn into a force of nature without having to cry to the refs every play.
Good you didn't say every play because he did cry. BTW, Magic told the joke that if you breathed on MJ you were called for a foul. Of course, that didn't include the time during The Bad Boys of Detroit.
Wow, this is one of the first times I’ve ever agreed with Stephen A. I watched both players careers. If I had to choose between these two amazing athletes during the fourth quarter of a big game, I would pick Jordan 10 out of 10 times. He simply refused to lose. I will be amazed if there is ever a more clutch player than Jordan.
Ever heard of Kobe “The G.O.A.T, Mamba” Bryant
@@SamuelDaHooper. Mamba and Jordan the real 🐐s
Caleb Thompson I didn’t say Kobe was better, I said they were both equally clutch. But yeah fair analysis
@@SamuelDaHooper. they weren't equal, Jordan was a little better, Kobe was definitely the second best of all time tho
@@jakedooley5300 nope, lebron is at 2
"he couldn't handle the pressure" Kendrick Perkins on the most popular man in america in the 90's
Lmao
In america? He was known all over the world even before internet, the crowds were following him like crazy in 1992 Barcelona, as a kid from Soviet Union I knew who he his without even seeing him on TV.
World*
Perk needs his basketball card taken away for that blasphemy. Jordan is the GOAT. End of story.
MJ was known all over the world even without internet back then.. My Asian mom wasn't even watching NBA but she only knew one player and one team, that's MJ and the Bulls. Up until now she still thinks MJ still playing lmao
MJ transcended the sport across the globe at a time where there was no social media etc. He made the game mainstream.
You can thank Magic Johnson and Larry Bird
@@gnosticawareness Jordan made the game global, that's just a fact
True. Bird and Magic brought back the popularity but Jordan was the one who took it to stratospheric heights.
Speakin of social media, he never had to deal wit his personal life being put OUT THERE..which would be more pressure cuz he had issues off court.
gnosticawareness nobody was saying I wanna be like magic or bird. Give Jordan his props. What he did for the game of basketball can’t be repeated and that’s what makes him the GOAT 🐐
Perkins says it wasn't soft when they came in the league in 03. That's probably why Bron DIDN'T win a title until he quit on Cleveland and formed a SuperTeam in Miami, Cleveland and L.A to try and reverse engineer his career🤷♂️
Kendrick Perkins looked like he was about to cry at the end!
Saaawf
“Jordan couldn’t handle the pressure “ bruh u gotta box me 😂😂😂😂😂
Perkins might as get ready to square up with everyone because he boxing everyone even Lebron knows that Jordan is the goat if not then why did he spend majority of his career chasing Jordan 🤔
Kevin Ramsey Jordan was the first true sports superstar. It’s tough being a pioneer. LBJ had Jordan to use as an example.
Jordan litterally said the pressure was too much
Nikolas Arnold I know it was but he did it! Numerous HOFs at that! It’ll never be done again
Lucius West SAY THAT AGAIN!!! 🗣🗣
I don’t see how Kendrick Perkins doesn’t catch a mean cramp in his face frowning that hard, my god😂
Black Raider 6 foot 10 and you talking bout he gotta look tough like he won’t run through your entire family 1 on 1. Let’s be real
Looks like a clown
It takes so much effort for Kendrick Perkins to speak, man out here huffin and puffing
im not a jordan fan but i got a lot of respect for greatest basketball player ever
how does that even make sense? so you're a fan but not a fan at the same time?
@@dannyoceanss You can still respect someone and not have to love them.
Perk sounded like he was crying when Stephen a and max shut him down
LOL for real.....
Perkins is so very bad
Lololol hes so funny tho
G KING fax that’s why ion mind him on the show lmao
Max and Stephen A. absolutely destroyed Perk lol.
Did he say “Jordan couldn’t handle pressure.”? 🤦🏽♂️ why does this man still have a job?
Henry Wigfall this man perk was smoking that good pack before he came on this show 🤣
KP is just sucking LeBron off way too much
I honestly have no idea, I can’t decide who is worse, him or Ryan Hollins, think about that
MJ is the definition of clutch. His opinion is trash.
DLO 305 smoking that heat pack with bronny
Yall so scared to admit that man aint even pass kobe yet in terms of greatness
He's been passed Kobe. 4 rings w/4 FMVP's trumps 5 rings with only TWO Finals MVP's. Especially when you throw in the fact Lebron surpasses Kobe in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, All-star games and All NBA first team selections.
@Tevarious Tyner Kobe Bryant only won TWO Finals. He was the 2nd fiddle for the other 3.
@Tevarious Tyner Why would he leave? He was traded to perfect situation. He never had to lift up a sorry franchise.
I've BEEN saying this. Dont let the media brainwash into thinkin lebrons better than kobe. I know what my eyes saw
Brittany Estrada exactly
This is the Stephen A I like to see when he’s dishing out FACTS
Can’t take anything IT says about jordan seriously. Mj didn’t let him on the dream team 😂 dude salty
Big facts
Nah zeke is keeping it 100. He always gives Jordan his props, but he has a right to his opinion
He’s 3-1 in the playoffs vs Jordan 😭
That whole team is salty toward jordan
Chad Stone How? He beat Jordan 3 times and lost once 😭😭
Jordan was feared bron respected. So true
Imagine being feared by someone must be a weak era back then
ask the bad boy pistons. They flat out disrespected tf out of jordan. Love it.
Christopher Mikrowelle The bulls were on coke before Jordan showed up. Jordan just needed one all star and they became competitors in the east
Haters Lie Because It's All They Got Thankyou cause when they say MJ didn’t have problems they disrespecting those Pistons .
@@nlkoala9292 its weak now lebron always makes his crying face when someone taps him
I would have loved seeing Jordan's reaction when Perkins said that Jordan couldn't handle the pressure lol.
Jordan would of took that personal
I just dont understand why perk is on tv. This guy just crying
Its called charity.🤣
He shouldn’t be on this show. Period!!! Stephen A talk to him. He wasn’t there, what does he know!!!
When Kendrick said " MJ could not handle the pressure " he should be removed or fired with such a dumb comment.
He's so incredibly dumb
Greatest defender mike faced???its a joke the league was trash
Who did he have to get past pat Ewing wow what a joke
Gary payton
"I would never call anyone soft."
Stephen A used to call Kwame Brown soft on a daily basis. Daily basis.
But but but Kwame Brown was soft though. Hahaha
*bonafide scrub
Sas: I mean no disrespect
nah kwame was a bonafide scrub
@@StephenHSmith-mn4iq He cant play no disrespect whatsoever XD
Stephen A is soft. I hate when old heads can't give it up. The truth is that the players today are way more talented than the players of yesterday; they are way more skilled & athletic. Not because players of the past are no good, but because the game, technology as well as players evolve over time. It's disgusting that these old men can't give the athletes of today their due respect. Bill Russell has 11 rings why he not the GOAT if it's just about rings?
“The Nba wasn’t soft during 2003-2010”
Ironically Lebron had 0 chips during that window
Ong I thought I was the only one thinking this
If we're going to keep it real Jordan didn't win until expansion and the flagrant foul rule.
facts, he was also on the Cavs so his 2nd best player was Shannon Brown in that span. Just like MJ didn't win in the 80s at all where he played half his career
@@isaiahwatkins1502 jordan had to play the best team of the 80s the Celtics and bad boy pistons who both won and went to multiple championships. Lebrons only competition was the old big 3 celtics and the old new bad boy pistons.
I will take 6-0 over 4-10 any day MJ never folded in the finals or quit on his teammates like Lebron
It's 6-0 vs 4-6, or if you like: 6/6 vs 4/10. :)
MJ all the way.
This can never be the argument, because in this case Bill Russell's 11 championships in 13 years will never be broken.
2020 Playoffs:
Anthony Davis = 28- 10- 3, FG-56%.
MJ didn"t have that luxury.
1998 Playoffs:
Scotte Pippen = 17- 7- 5, FG-41%.
@@marlonhenderson9865 Bill Russel had the best team and coach during his time but he he was never the best player both offensively and defensively
@@glenroybrathwaite1531 what? He was the coach for some of those years. Also, anyone you speak to in that Era say he was one of the only defensive players to give Wilt Chamberlain fits. Wilt talked about that. Bill was a 6-9ft center guarding and giving the 7-0 ft Wilt problems compared to almost anyone else in the league. He also average over 20 rebs/gm in his career. I hear your point though. There were only like 10 teams back then of course..
Stephen A and Perk arguing:
Max: “ding ding ding, i gotta get in!”
*video* *ends*
Lmao I came here looking for this comment🤣
"Awe please!" 😂
everybody just ignores Max on this show smh
@@carbon.the.christ5626 yeah lol.. he's such a great speaker too...
@@lolhahah21 He speaks so well
Kendrick Perkins " he couldn't handle the pressure"
Me : ok now 😂 get this man off first take
Thank you
Facts
FR i cant stand him
I think he’s talking media pressure. Like watch the documentary Jordan was starting to get disillusioned with the sport after constant media harassment but Lebron has been dealing with media pressure since he was 16
Jordan got swept in the first round STFU
As a Jordan fan, it is always nice to see Stephen A in Lebron/Jordan GOAT debate. I know the dude will represent us well.
Well said Steven Thank you
When SAS said Universally feared, the debate was over !!!
@@donfabian1125 he domintaed the 2000's against superstars stfu
@@donfabian1125 better than losing to them in the finals
ong lol michael jordan is UNIVERSAL!!!
Not Really
Fabian V yeah you right errbody in the 90s was plumbers just like the east most of lebron career;)
Kendrick is the person who said "Jordan didn't compete at age 35."
He didn't even know Jordan won 6th ring when he was 35.
@@jpf1256 yea with 6 rings
@@ABDoHypixel LMAOOOO tell him
Perkins said this? If true, that exposes him as uninformed and they might as well let random sports fans be "analysts". Also, walking away a champion at 35 is a bad thing now?
@@tjslam26 Sadly, this is true. It is still on youtube. And I totally agree with you.
Kendrick might have been a good player but he doesn’t talk smart. MJ is the reason so many great players like Charles Barkley, Carl Marlon, John Stockton ended their career without a ring. What is KP talking about? Maybe he never watched MJ in video since he may not have watched him play due to his age.
"Jordan couldn't handle the pressure"
Perfect reaction to this oxymoron at 1:14
I'm literally tired of the debate now.... Lol
Cant believe Perkins just said that MJ couldn’t handle the pressure.
@Monster2424 Miguel
really.
The blasphemy
@Monster2424 Miguel when did mj ever say he couldnt handle the pressure?
@@JackieTrainwreck MJ did say that the threepeat was taking a massive toll, those 2 years of rest were fundamental for him, especially for then 1996, 1997 and 1998 to look the same way.
And that's without taking out 1994 and 1995 Hakeem out of the equation.
Btw there's no pressure if you either get always swept in the First Round in the 80s or if you are the overwhemingly favourite in your 6 Finals playing with top 25 all-time and greatest perimeter defender ever Scottie Pippen (and revolutionary HOF), revolutionary HOF Rodman, revolutionary HOF Kukoc, Harper, all-time 3pt assassin Kerr and all-time 3pt assassin Paxson and Grant the first time around, all coached by top 2 coach and revolutionary HOF Phil Jackson.
Let alone if you face old and alone stars helped by Eric Snow, Greg Ostertag and Buck Williams with that Warriors of the 90s juggernaut Bulls.
Kendrick Perkins said on his Twitter during "the last dance" that he's never saw anybody like Jordan and that he was the goat. Not even six months later he's changed his entire tune. 😂Straight clown.
ESPN made him do it...come on 😂
The desire for ratings will make a producer give all sorts demands to their in air talent.
Do I know if Perk or Shay actually believe LeBron is the goat? I only know what they say on television which is usually the polar opposite of their debate dance partner. Thus conflict creates ratings.
Also, LeBron really IS better than Michael.
Before LeBron even won his first ring you heard the same thing everywhere "Mike was the better scorer, LeBron is the better overall player"
Nobody wants to use the word GOAT because of his Finals losses and Mike has none, which I think is downright blasphemy!!!!
Why use team accomplishments to measure two individual players? Mike was part of a big 3 both threepeats. Jordan, Grant, and Pippen then Jordan, Worm, and Pippen. He also had the same coach for all 6 title runs, the same coach that took Kobe to 5 titles.
With Mike Brown pretending to be an NBA coach and teammates pretending to be be NBA caliber talent, LeBron carried straight up BUMS past the Detroit Pistons to the NBA Finals.
Granted the Pistons weren't as good as they were in 04 when they won it all, but they were still miles above Cleveland as far as overall roster talent. And had LeBron not willed his team to victory, that would've been Detroit's third Finals appearance in 4 or 5 years.
@@ComaAlpha jordan accomplished more than LeBron has in a shorter time and that's after retiring for 2 years. Go away novice.😂
@@nerdbamarich2063 Jordan had better help against a weak league.
MJ was so feared, even practice was afraid of Jordan.
"He couldn't handle the pressure." Of what, his dad getting murdered? How does kp have a speaking job anywhere? lbj is primarily responsible for the ratings nosedive for the nba. give credit where credit is due.
After winning 3 straight at the top of your game not thinking there's anything left to prove (he was chasing Magic/Bird who had not won 3 straight) THEN your dad (whose favorite sport was baseball) gets murdered? That's heavy.
Sometimes pressure and having someone to chase actually helps. This is why Kobe kept playing even after 5 titles. And probably why LeBron has no patience for rebuilding or developing young players (no matter how high they were picked).
Larry Legend in his PRIME called Jordan God. I think we're done here.🏌️
Jordan is 0-7 vs Bird in the playoffs and Larry still called him that... thats saying something
And 2007 hadn't happened yet.
2007 alone proves to me that LeBron is better than Michael. LeBron did what Michael couldn't, drag a roster of bums to the Finals.
Michael couldn't win until they got Grant and Pip finally came into his own.
And if anyone says Mo Williams, I'm gonna remind you that Maurice Williams wasn't in Cleveland yet.
@@ComaAlpha so you're telling me that LeBron literally getting swept in the Finals is your proof that he is the GOAT? 😂 I like LeBron too but you're using a loss as your argument. How does that work?
@@nikivory6891 he had a roster of NO NAME BUMS!!!!!
When did Michael even leave the first round carrying no name bums? Answer: never!!!!
@@ComaAlpha lol. Look at those teams in the eastern conference that LeBron played against that year. LeBron is great but getting to the finals by beating weak teams is not the greatest feat. Furthermore, you're still talking about a LOSS 😂
"Michael Jordan couldn't handle the pressure which is why he went to college!" 🤣 Yeah MJ can't handle pressure. All he did as a freshman in college was hit a game winner for a national title.
Let’s be realistic he hit the go ahead shot and the team had a chance to score with like 5 seconds and they got a silly turnover. Wasn’t like a walk off.. plus people don’t realize when he pressure he means of being the greatest player every single year, yearly lebron has to prove he’s the best player cause his age. Jordan never faced competition even against his squad. He never was the underdog lebron becomes the underdog yearly lol
Yet he went to college.. why? Cause he wasnt good enough to go to the nba.. at the same age bron was avg 20 against grown men.. mj was doing james worthy laundry
@@dahc0023 underdog? This was Lebron's league the minute he came. When Jordan came he had bird & Magic and overthrown them. People were saying LeBron was the best before even winning a chip. Jordan was being beat up in the east for years then the minute he won. He kept winning. While guys were getting their first ring against LeBron. & so what if the other team had a chance to win. It's a game winner
@@dahc0023 LeBron is called the underdog because of how often he's lost. If he was undefeated in the finals like Jordan, I don't think he'd ever be considered the underdog, especially with the teams he's had
He didn’t say that’s why he went to college he was saying thats why he quit for 2 years
“You Tripping, you tripping,
Go Ahead Max” - Stephen a smith 🤣🤣
Can we all just stop and laugh at the fact that Max And SAS are arguing with Kendrick Perkins of all people, about the game and who’s the best😂😂😂
Lebron is a phenomenal player. Anyone who doubts he's one of the greatest to ever do it obviously has an agenda. That's undeniable. But he's not the GOAT and it's that simple.
MJ is the GOAT not Lebron
@@rusty935 you're trippin
Agreed!
g put me on some of that man cuz you’re high as a kite. How in the world is magic higher than Jordan like tf. Sure maybe you can make the argument for lebron and Kareem even tho in the end they both fall short, but magic Johnson?! No disrespect to the greatest pg of all time but even magic proclaimed that there’s no one better than michael Jordan and I bet you 100% that he was not being humble when he said that
tubedude92 can I not have multiple goats at number 1
kendrick perkins knows michael jordan is the GOAT. He can't be that dumb.😂
Perkins is just getting paid to go against in the conversation.
It's just entertainment for us to watch. 😂😂😂
Not to mention KPerkins hates on GSW cuz he was a bench rider for LeBron in 2018. He never bragged about LeBron when he was with OKC he became an LeBron Apologist when he bench rode to the finals in 2018 and had the altercation with Steph Curry in the finals.
@@jcbringsyellow Hates KD
Nah he really is that dumb, you can tell by how pissed her looks. Really think he's the dumbest analyst in ESPN history, every time i see him im shocked these shows want him. the espn execs are morons for hiring this clown.
Michael Turley preach! 🙌👏 I hate Perkins also. He’s just as bad as Ryan Hollins was. He’s not objective one bit. They need RBTheBreakthrough to be an analyst. Not Perkins.
Hes close friends with lebron james lol
“MJ couldn’t handle the pressure” Yea perk after that statement, people are gonna question why you’re even on the show. I honestly think you just needed a rebuttal and saying he can’t handle the pressure was the first thing that came to your mind.
Again get Kendrick Perkins off the show. I can’t understand how you can play the game and have no basketball knowledge.
Did k Perkins really just say mj couldn’t handle the pressure on live television?
Blasphemous
‘Jordan couldn’t handle the pressure’ 🥴
That's why he retired
When did he say that?
@@thejaylenfoster606 he was 40 years old
that klutch sports check must be eliteeee
He retired coz his dad died
Where can I watch the Full Episode of this please. :)
Perkins got exposed
It’s so crazy how much credit Lebron gets for beating the big 3 Celtics and how little credit Kobe Bryant gets for beating them
LeBron beat them with Bosh and Wade Kobe beat em with Pau Gasol
yeah beating them in old age and joining a super team with dwayne wade and chris bosh on ther prime . kobe beat the lakers in their peak .
@@darkmasage kobe beat them with a allstar Andrew bidum,allstar prime Pau gasol and almost allstar lamar odom with the greatest coach ever
@@dtechzsama garnett was aging and perkins was hurt in game 6 he didnt played in game 7 and thats why they lost to offensive boards
Ultra instinct Grey Dwade and Bosh are better than Gasol Bynum but nice try. You Lebron fans sound ridiculous trying to make it like other HOF player’s teammates were better than his 🤣
Jordan couldn't handle pressure? KP lost on that statement alone.
“hE cOuLdN’t hAnDLe tHe pReSsUre” Get perk of this show please.
He can only pass him with longevity and stats everything else is wishful thinking
This dude said MJ couldn't handle the pressure these coming from a dude who Average 2 points per game 🤦🏽♂️
Yeah i believe bron the goat but I couldn’t be on his side with take 💀 pure foolishness
He made the nba and won championships did u do that?
Did I miss the part where he said MJ couldn't handle ANYTHING?! Perk said LBJ had the most pressure over his career more than any other athlete..DIFFERENCE. Plus Max & Stephen A averaged ZERO in the league, that makes their points invalid?
I wouldn't say he couldn't handle the pressure...but he was worn out after 3 straight finals and was a big reason for his breaks.
Really brings Lebrons 8 straight with 2 different teams and coaches into focus
MJ had a bigger impact on the game of basketball than LeBron James ever will. (Not to mention his 6-0 in Finals)
KP: Yall sitting up here acting like LeBron James didn’t have to go through Hall of Fa...
5:48
Stephen A. : WHOO?! WHOO?!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tim Duncan, tony Parker, many ginobli, dirk nowitzki, Kevin Durant, westbrick, kawhi Leonard, steph curry, maybe klay and dray, Kevin Durant, James harden, dame, maybe jokic, Paul pierce, Kevin Garnett, probably missing some others but you get it
@@Kyle-fq4kq Tim duncan the only one you mentioned and Dirk. And they both clapped Lebron as veterans on their teams lol
Kyle2324 half these players were not in their prime
@@Kyle-fq4kq tim and dirk the only hofs mentioned in tht list
@@eshan4093 this dude doesn’t think stephs a hall of famer 😅
Fine, I’ll respond in 10-15 years when everyone I mentioned has officially been listed into the hall of fame
“You go head Max, you tripping...” 😂😂😂
there is no debate. only one stayed with his team the entire time and lifted them to greatness. he never jumped from team to team trying to take the easy path to greatness. period
MJ being FEARED is a FACT!
He ruled/ruined the 90s. He got in everyone's way of winning
Current NBA players even rated MJ as the GOAT. Enuff said.
Lol why would they vote a current player as the goat? While they’re still playing against him? They’re not gonna give him those types of props
I never saw Michael score 28 of the last 30 to drag a roster of no name bums to the Finals.
@@ComaAlpha I saw him drop 63 on the 3rd greatest defense ever in nba history. I saw him average 30 7 times.
@@ComaAlpha also the spurs fucked Lebron up because the East was hot garbage
@@EastAfricanWarrior the Spurs fucked him up because the Cavs were LeBron and nobodies and LeBron was STILL the best player on the floor all four games.
That is the different.....Respect Vs Fear
Universaly Feared nuff said.
This man Perk really said MJ couldn't handle the pressure hahahahahahahahaha
LeBron = Longevity
MJ = Pure dominance
TH23 Thank you for keeping it 💯
Facts
2 goats lebron will be 40 playing at a high level
Amen-PURE DOMINANCE
Eh, Jordan got dominated until he got pippen and he never really beat any teams worthy in the finals. His team was favored every year
Did Perk just say MJ went to college because he couldn't handle the pressure? What a phenomenal take.
The disrespect!! This is not how you should treat your elders even if they are 35
Stephen A. Smith be like: "I GOT YOU NOW!"
*Flips over trap card.*
"I ACTIVATE Mirror Force!!!"
Fire yu-gi-oh reference lol.
5:48, sounds like Perk gonna cry
Taught he was impersonating Tracy Morgan😁
Hahahaha
There's a RUclips video that ends this debate. Even though this debate was over a long time ago LeBron jas had a great career but not the greatest. The road and the rules are very different and Jordan got beat down including food poisoning and still went 6-0 so I don't get why people are still on this🤷
“I got you now!” 😂😂😂
Max bent over laughing when KP said he MJ couldn’t handle the pressure 😆.
The Last Dance had higher ratings than the Finals right now, that’s all you need to know.
Lol that doesn’t prove anything
That doesn't prove anything. Bubble basketball just not the same and its fatigued because september isn't ball season. Tf ratings gotta do with it.
This finals is a sleeper. Even more wack compared to last year's finals
Finals are live Jordan has a documentary not even comparable
Daryl Vergara of course dunbass especially fans were in the bubble. Last year in the finals Raptors beat an injured Warriors team. Last year ratings for the playoffs were low because everybody kept saying since Bron ain’t playing this year ratings were decrease especially if nobody don’t want to see no Kawhi.
Perkins working hard to be Lebron's top fan boy.
😂😂😂😂😂
shannon sharpe took that spot for how many years now
@@naisu5298 Nick Wright shares the top spot. 😅
Shannon has that spot. Hands down.
Shannon Sharpe and Nick Wright said Hello and what's up
Well he have to fight shannon sharpe for that spot.....bron must be giving them some cash bro.....
Perk got served!🤣😂
6:40 a blown chance for Perk to speak stuff about how everyone was actually favoring OKC to beat Miami at that time.
Much respect to LBJ but Jordan, bruh did some thangs mane. 2 3-peats!!! Just sayin' 🤷🏿♂️
"what happened when you joined wade and bosh and went up against dirk and jason terry" LMFAOOOOOO
hahaha you act like that Dallas team is not a great team haha lol yup Miami is the favor8 that year thinking about wade,lebron and bosh but you should not disrespect that Dallas team. FYI that Dallas team swept the defending back to back champs L.A. Lakers haha players with late Kobe Bryant,Gasol,Bynum,Odom,World Peace,Fisher with the great coach Phil Jackson. .and talking about Kobe?how many times he willed his team to win a game?he did it many times bcoz how competitive he is but couldn't win a single game in that series . .think about that ! . try again that Dallas team is full of great players, great system and a great game plan. .
philip rovan nakila that Lakers team was spent it was a wrap from them.. hence this is their first playoff appearance sense then. Terry is not a HOF, JJ Barrera is not a HOF and those were the primary defenders on LeBron in that series.. imagine putting JJ Barrera or JT on Jordan.. you might as well cancel Christmas only HOF on that floor for Dallas was Dirk.. it’s unexplainable and inexcusable and I’m a Heat Fan and a LeBron fan but facts are the facts.
@Lisa Rose in 2015 he pretty much lost to curry in the finals klay and iggy averaged under 20 and games 4-6 klay averaged 8.6 points with a 5 point game and fouled out after 24 minutes. curry also shot 3/16 when bron made the series 2-1 then he lost 3 straight
@@flaboy32225 lol the Dallas owner said they played zone to limit Lebron. .that's their game plan. .marion and stevenson are the primary defender of Lebron but Lebron wanted to attack JJ and JT so he wants switch then every time JJ and JT defends Lebron there's always a help hahaha did you watched the game or you just listen to what people say?hahaha try again JJ and JT are not guarding Lebron one on one, you're ridiculous to believe that hahaha maybe they're not HOF but they're great players. .KIDD,Marion,Chandler,Terry and the way they played with the game plan that they had. .what I'm trying to say is that don't disrespect that Dallas team coz it's a great team. .LAKERS are spent?really?hahaha second in the NBA standing behind Spurs in the west. .WEST THE TOUGHER CONFERENCE?? and you're telling me that they are not a contender that year?haha oh c'mon that's ridiculous :D it's easy to say you're a Heat fan. .me?I'm not a Heat fan nor a Lebron James fan. .IM A BASKETBALL FAN AND IF YOU'RE ALSO A BASKETBALL FAN?YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN THAT. .
@@jordanmack4565 LOL a number 1 team in the tougher conference and Lebron playing without Kyrie and Love with Delevanova to be his second scorer hahahahha try again. .and you expect him to win?did you listen to the analyst?they give credit for CAVS to get it on 6 games hahaha you're ridiculous Lebron did everything he can in that finals his attempting almost 30 shots per game with the defense all over him or focusing on him hahaha you're not a basketball fan. .you're a hater of a player hahahahaha good luck
Kevin Garnett from TimberPuppies
😁 We got you NOW
"You trippin" 😁
I don’t see how you can watch basketball for years and still NOT SEE THAT JORDAN IS JUST DIFFERENT
Goat
If you weren’t born then highlights don’t show his defense highlights
Man I wonder the same..Im reposting this!
@Internet Police I'd really like to help you out with your reluctance or inability to do so yourself! However, I'm about reality and not a sufferer of psychosis, so I leave the exquisite task up to you! I appreciate you for being real about your lack of confidence to post what your opinion is on your own. I would help you out if what you requested of me was not complete FANTASY! Stay strong and grow in confidence bro! I believe in U.
@Internet Police You say you're objective and not emotional. So why dont you tell us why you believe Lebron is better?
Here's some objective measures that form the basis for my belief that MJ was better:
MJ averaged more PPG
More SPG
More offensive rebounds per game
More contested rebounds per game
Higher FG% (for their careers by age 35)
Far higher FT percentage
Fewer TOV per game
Far better usage rating to turnover percentage ratio
Far better TS% relative to league average
Better offensive rating
Better defensive rating
Higher Box Plus Minus
Higher WS/48
Better on/off +/-
Here are some subjective eye test reasons why I think he was better
MJ had a better post up game
MJ was a better ball protector
MJ was a better ball handler
MJ was a better on ball defender
MJ actually played defense every possession instead of farming uncontested rebounds
MJ was a better shooter
MJ scored at a far higher average level of difficulty and still did it as efficiently on more volume
MJ was more clutch (I can support this statistically/analytically as well)
Now you tell us why you think Lebron was better without the usual "oNe And NiNe beForE piPpen duuur"
Perk don’t know what too say he knows Jordan was da man
Hes also like " and another thing..michael jordan's shoes weren't even that nice
He said Shawn Clump, LOL
He sounded like he was about to cry 😂😂😂
Michael won so much and was so dominant he got bored twice nuff said
Bill won more so that's proof that retiring while u on top, don't mean you was bored. And by MJs one perspective, he was tired 😂
@@ghostclick6923 with 8 teams in the whole league 🤣
Talented Mr. Flowers meaning you play the toughest teams in the league that much more often. Your point?
@@ghostclick6923 bill Russell could do the things or LBJ , like wat Mike did on a basketball Court huh dude answer day honestly if u are not a TROLL🤔
Yeah No. I don't think you got the story right, there's a documentary on it bud.
You can’t take the crown from the GOAT while wearing his number. This ring won’t do it. The loss to Dallas, going 2-2 in Miami with that squad... beating this Miami team ain’t it.
Yea that’s underrated he took his number lol
MJ went 6-0 in the finals cause the Pistons wasn't in the Western Conference.
@@kmo1765 he still would have to go through them to get there. We could also say the same about LeBron not making a million finals appearances if he spent all those years on the West. It evens out.
@@SirGenesis206 MJ is the best player of all time but delisual MJ fans act like he's GOD he came in the league in 1984 loss for 7 years yeah once he broke thru in 1991 he was unstoppable at that point that makes him the best. MJ never played against Shaq and Kobe or Tim Duncan and the crew in the finals.. it would be interesting if MJ was 10 years younger.
@@kmo1765 I’m with you there. He’s the best for dominating the end of an era of basketball and recreating the league. He played in a largely big man league where the next best SG was Drexler and then a huge drop off. Now the whole league looks like him, plays like him, we all want to be like Mike. Even with LeBron here. Kobe wouldn’t be Kobe, Bron wouldn’t be Bron without wanting to be like Mike. If MJ came into the league same year as these guys, might not have developed the same. Having to take the torch from Bird, Magic, Thomas, etc makes you the best ever by default. He isn’t the most talented we’ve ever seen, that to me is LBJ, but having the best tools doesn’t make someone the best mechanic. LBJ couldn’t dominate that span of time in the league-best chance was in Miami-and that’ll keep him in #2 until someone else comes along.
SOMEONE THAT HAS LOST 6 FINALS CANNOT OVERCOME SOMEONE THAT HAS LOST 0 FINALS W/NO GAME 7....
Facts!!...these Bron fans don't know basic math😂🤣✌
Kendrick Perkins looking like he about to argue about a steak dinner at Denny's. Perkins: Denny's got the best steak dinner pound for pound buttery goodness gravy smash potatoes. Stephen: your wrong Fridays got the best steak and drinks and I know the owner so the food is free.
I'm convinced Perkins is 47...lol.
Wrong! Same age as Bill Russell
If he was 47 why would he think lebron is the goat
Dude needs to double check his birth certificate and make sure he got the right one 😂
Lol yes and I think he was born with that beard n face as a baby
He does act like hes 70. Stepgrn a called him out on it the other day
Mj can’t handle the pressure😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂 that's a good one from big Perk! Perhaps it's the double teaming pressure of the debate that he can't handle 🤣🏀
I’m glad Max laughed at that 😂😂
Ryan hollins-esque
one of the worst takes of all time LOL
Lesteroid has great overall stats
MJ: Won against Magic, Bird, Thomas, Barkley, Stockton, Malone, Kemp, Payton, Ewing, Miller etc... in a fashion that he won against them more times.
Kobe was 1-1 against the Boston big 4, 1-0 against Dwight Howard and somehow got things even with Billups and Wallace with him defeating 09' Denver in WCF and 10' Celtics in NBA Finals.
LeBron: 1-2 against the Spurs lost 2 finals against em', 1-3 against the Warriors, 1-2 against Durant... 0-1against Dallas w/ Heat having the best players on prime.
And don't tell me about he having bad teammates because he's even playing the GM's job.
LeBron is great he just not the GOAT, the Gods been pouring him health and versatility but the definition of greatness is not measured by time or numbers because being a god is doing the intangibles.
Underrated comment. Nice perspective 👍
The TEAM of Jordan won against those name, not Jordan alone. Stop comparing players, it's useless, because Lebron did things that Jordan didn't, so there is not an objective criteria. Put Lebron on the Bulls team of those years and you'll easily get 6 championships.
Davide P. 82 games per season with the most physical defenses available back to back to back while nutrition and technology wasnt at its peak. LeBron wouldnt be this much active if he played in the 90's. Jordan played thru injuries so as Kobe, LeBron just don't have that heroic feels for the fans so he is top 3 for me not the GOAT.
@@jshkngx85 you keep making hypothesis that have no value. You are not proving something, you are just saying things randomly. Sorry but these comparisons are useless. Try something else. Bye
P.s lebron played the finals with a broken hand. It seems that you remember only what you like, as usual in these type of dialogs.
Look who's talkin' you are also making hypothesis it won't make you better if you ain't open, what I'm saying were facts connecting to how the game appears to the fans both mentally and emotionally. Of course I remembered LeBron playing with a broken hand, but he kept on complainin. What some of the fans wanted is a player who's like a gladiator, a fierce competitor, a winner in crunch times and you can't take that from them.