The southern strategy Lee Atwater You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”-that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”
COINTELPRO and Iran-Contra was not discussed and had devastating impacts on the black community. The FBI stats only show who’s arrested for a crime not who’s found guilty or later found innocence. The FBI also have a report on the infiltration of white supremacist in law enforcement which came out in 2006 under the bush administration. Also, benefits given to whites by the government in I.E. the new deal, the farming acts, and the GI bill.
I got so confused when he said that. I grew up in a town of 2000 with 2 grocery stores, and just moved to a town of 10000 with about 7 lmao. Then he seemed to think Walmart was the only grocery store lol
@@pointlesstwat8927 I guess maybe 2000 is the mark then. I grew up in a village of 1300 and you can't sustain a mom and pop grocery store for like more than a couple years. But live like a 10 min drive away from a town with multiple grocery stores with much better prices so of course
I always love how Destiny’s tone and body language in the opening intros seems like he is being forced against his will to participate in these debates.
It's funny you say that, because he only realized he was going to be a part of this debate 3 hours before it happened, so he had to turn off his stream and spend that time doing research haha
He basically kind of is lmao. Destiny hates 2v2 debates and I think he knew this one was gonna be a shitshow from the start, but he had to do it cuz he feels he has to be the one logical person in these kinds of situations cuz he cares about putting out good info
Destiny: "I fucking hate 2v2 debates, you can never go in-depth about any argument, you are also stuck having to play defense for your partner who even if he shares your position might have some different reasons, it just increases interruptions and padding. No point in doing them." Also Destiny:
I hate painting older homes cause they require way more prep work then a more modern house. I still paint them. Adults sometimes do things they dislike because they need doing lol
I think he chose this thinking it would be an exception, since he’s talked to Lauren and Fanatiq a bunch beforehand , and decided they had good-faith intentions. But ironically , this debate proves destiny’s quote: Fanatiq got overly attached on a point, to the degree that he undermined Destiny’s one and only point that they could make Lauren and AJW concede on.
If u didnt know, he was asked to do this debate under the belief he had about a week to decline or not but he was abruptly told it was scheduled like a day later. I guess he didnt wanna look chicken.
@@nickmyers3065 "Adults sometimes do things they dislike because they need doing lol" No need to be smug, him doing this specific duo debate wasn't necessary and fully avoidable, especially since he is known for more effectively combating these people (especially Lauren) on his own and he does so often. He could've done a debate with more definitive merit instead. It's delusional to frame this debate as a necessary duty.
The funny part is that he somehow thinks 1) just because there are no grocery stores near him personally, means that the definition of far changes 2) just because he can make a 2+ hour round trip to a grocery, or even just anywhere, means that most people can 3) walmart is the only place where they sell groceries
@@marylawrence2218 Nice, I've gone through northern BC for camping, and I've found that there are grocery stores everywhere in all the small towns I've driven through, and I'm not even necessarily looking for them either. If you think about it a 3k population is already 6k-9k meals a day if everyone is eating from 2-3 meals a day, at $5-$10+ a meal that could be about $30k-$90k+ spent on food per day on average! If there are 10k in Sean's town, they must be eating grass instead of food or something to not be able to sustain a grocery store! LOL
Homie said Walmart was far from him, Lmaoo no shit New York can’t have Walmart’s you’re going to jersey for that but there’s definitely more grocery stores just as big as Walmart in NYC
They even had to pay out $3B as a result of the settlement. I even got a $41 check as a result of the case, as I had an account with Wells Fargo prior to 2015.
As a recipient of the bank of America lawsuit settlement, most of the settlement was for robo signing signatures. They were literally foreclosing on homes without going through the legal process and targeting homes with equity in order to profit from the fees collected during the foreclosure process.
@@williambontrager2349, sorry that was a reference to what AJW kept saying. He acted like just because they didn't admit fault, that there wasn't actual people impacted by them.
If they were losing money because these DMVs didn't get enough traffic, would it still be prejudicial? And if it was 10 miles away, would it then be a issue? What about 25?
@@milkbreadbakery All these disparately populated areas are typically rural and White. Sooooo, hard to claim white racism when it’s white people getting the worst of it. :P
Because it was an easy dunk and made AJW look even more stupid trying to defend his take, like saying 10,000 people is a small town that can't sustain a grocery store (lmao)
“A town of 10,000 people that can’t maintain a grocery store” my guy let me find that town and open up a grocery store Edit: I was volunteering in Brooklyn during the mayoral/borough race and electioneering laws are just barely enforced
I live in a very, very rural area. I think the dude was referring to food-deserts in these areas (the Dollar General noticed this and made a killing financially). But he's playing an "everyman's rural man", has probably never really lived in extremely rural area and his own bias's are problematic to boot.
Replacement theory is a silly concept because it is just simple established fact that Wht Americans are estimated to become a minority by sometime in the 2040s. It's not so much a THEORY that Euro Americans will become a minority as much as it is a mundane, uncontested fact.
In ajw's case, treating fanatic horribly, is indeed justified. No one person with etiquette would say that "you're ducking me," and act like they did noting wrong: unless you're fanatic. Convince me on this, that I'm wrong.
Love these debates. Honestly these types of debates provide more actual information than any news source I have seen over my entire life. People don't have time to fact check and really dig in to studies and data and these debates really break things down. No matter what side you are on these issues it really takes the left vs right aspect out of it and I appreciate that.
I’m an AJW fan who’s starting to watch more and more of Destiny and I feel like watching these two in particular debate teaches me more then ANY other source I know of.
Was watching some old Destiny content, and holy shit has he improved his rhetoric over time. His intelligence didn't change that much, but now he comes out of most debates looking really good
This wasnt a good look. Destiny's attempt to reason with the right wingers by laying out little breadcrumbs that appeal to their worldview is a good tactic to get them to agree on something but everytime Destiny did that Fanatiq would interrupt or follow up with something that basically moved the point of attention to something else, making destiny's attempt to appeal to right wing positions as nothing more than attempts to appeal and not as tactics to persuade. Destiny was like: meet me at the middle Fanatiq was like: agree with my side Lauren was like: I want to meet in the middle but i'm not agreeing with your side. AJW was like: black people dont like winter.
"Reason with Right wingers" The left truly can't see how far we have fallen. Yes I say we because I was once on the left. I'm black, we are basically born lefty. I made the choice to leave because of shit like that. I noticed you peeped Destiny's technique, but did you even hear what AJW and Lauren was talking about or did you just come up with a caricature of them both? Show me where they lied. Show me where they intentionally, or not give out false information. Because they didn't. You have a problem with what you perceive to be their ideology because they certainly didn't give falsehoods. Fanatiq on the other hand did. Like the crime bill for instance.
@@ARealPersonNotABot where did I claim any of the things you accuse me of? My comment was more a critique of fanatiqs bad debate etiquet than anything else. Stop getting triggered over nothing.
I mean, they do have those anime like cosplays, with the same faces, as in looks exactly like the 2d character but in reality. Fucking terrifying when it's not remotely normal human facial structure anime. So a terrifying cosplayer I bet.
@@adrycough it’s not common and most people would just take the highway and get there in about 50 mins, which still sucks but not as bad as what you’re describing lol
@@mattgruber7556 I had a friend who lived in buttfuck nowhere in Arizona. They had a corner store for basic stuff, but everything else was a 40+ minute drive. The "nearby" bigger town with lowes and walmarts and such was literally 35 to 40 miles away. The kind of place where they go out and cut their own wood in the national forest and some of them straight up just collect their own water and stuff. People in those areas really don't understand not having your own vehicle because it is required for them to live.
When I was studying for my CFP I took a bus for an hour each way in buttfuck Seoul to get my groceries. It wasn’t that bad. It’s a state of mind. I read books while I went.
@@paulyshore1942 Same. My work is a 1.5 hour bus ride away. I take a switch. But I live in the city. So my grocer is a 10 minute walk away. A lot of people don't realize how it is in the boonies. When I lived in Maryland, there was a big gas station an hour walk from me. But the real grocery store was in another town 40 minutes away driving. So I had to plan my life around that.
Man, there's about 50 red flags right off the bat, but if "AJW" not conceding that 40 miles is far as fuck to drive for groceries doesn't show bad faith, I don't know what does
That doesn’t seem bad faith at all though? I live in a state with a small population size and tons of tiny towns speckled everywhere. You can easily drive anywhere 40 miles away in under 40 minutes. Hell, I consistently drive about 200 miles in about 2 and a half hours. But when I lived in a different state, 40 miles did take significantly longer. It really is dependent on what state we are talking about. But if that is the case, this point doesn’t seem bad faith since it does exist in some places that 40 miles isn’t that far. But I think they got really hung up on the grocery stores when the real point was about DMVs. I don’t know how much you have gone to the DMV, but I may have gone at most 5 times in my life. It just isn’t that necessary to have one within 10 miles of every single citizen. I’m pretty sure AJW was wrong about a pop of 10,000 not having a grocery store (basically every town over 5,000 in my state has one), but this stuff just doesn’t seem bad faith to me.
@@riemannsum3741 Hey, thanks for your thoughts, I'd like to add in a few things as clarification. 1) I completely agree, 40 miles in the rural part of Arkansas is going to be a drastically different drive time then a 40 mile drive through the urban part of Pennsylvania. My reasoning for claiming this is blatantly bad faith is that without looking into the case at all, AJW assumed any random area they mentioned would fall under the "we can drive 100mph for 2 hours straight" rather than "we might be lucky to go one block without hitting a red light" 2) Driving time isn't the only time we need to account for, as Fanatiq and Destiny tried pointing out, the DMVs being referenced were being cut out (as agreed by supreme court) in ways to specifically limit black voting. Queue times could be as long as 10 hours, and with things like water not being handed out anymore, asking someone for time off to drive 40 miles to sit in line for 10 hours with little ability to get food/water, you're chopping a huge population of people out of voting To say that these things aren't objectively harmful to the voting abilities of the people targeted is basically ignoring reality. Lauren and AJW both seem to need a person to be comic book levels of racist (picture the hood, shouting the n word, and so on) before they're "comfortable" calling them racist. As a side note, I've wasted a few years of my life working in a grocery store, he was comedically off base saying a pop of 10k is too low to sustain one, in the early 00's it was 2k+, and has moved to around 3200 if I recall. Not trying to berate you with that, just pointing out that this man has shown incredibly strong opinions on things he's blatantly wrong about that he doesn't even bother to fact check.
The cognitive dissonance required to admit the negative consequences of the drug war, the negative consequences of single parent households, then refuse to connect the 2.
is this something you do every week ? the place i live the "local" place to do car related things like driver id, car license shut down because it was not finacially viable to maintain. the next one is 1.5h away instat of 20min. this has nothing to do with any racial agenda and it is not really a problem if you have to drive longer every few years.
@@keto3883 "40 miles isn't far because I actually have to drive farther." As much as I wish reality could be rewritten to match your standards, 40 miles is still a long distance.
@@hawkxlr thats not at all what i said. might wanna read again because you build a giant strawman. just to add a little to your strawman. a persons expectation of a distance to reach an objective and the use of the words "far and near" relative to the expectation are indeed reality. just think about what of the two words you would use in scenario a and b :-) a giant asteroid missing eart by 40miles b a soccer ball missing a person by 40miles
i learned a lot this debate, 40 miles isn't very far to drive for groceries. and 175 million dollars is not a lot of money. that last one making me feel real broke right now.
172 million isn't a lot for a case like that, considering billions is common Considering America's large amount of land, 40 mile drive for something like DMV might truly not be as uncommon as you might initially assume.
@@ashina5924 thats how far my college is from my house thank god for zoom lectures. I don’t dislike the drive but doing it everyday would get to be a lot
I think this is a holdover from the debate bro wars of a few years ago when the idea was to make your opponent look as dumb as possible by strawmannirg and representing them. Now to be fair, that was obviously relatively effective at the time which is why most, if not all, online creators participated in it I think the issue now is that kind of argumentation has probably run its course, and its only really useful for keeping numbers up An interesting way to look at this might be, if any of the people involved in this conversation had prize money at stake if they were able to persuade their opponents of anything, would they debate the same way. I think the answer is almost certainly no
Don't act like the people she's talking about (even if not destiny himself) exist. Go on Twitter for a second and it's easy to figure out why she frames things the way she does. Destiny literally explains why after she does it.
You understand that those are relative considerations, right? In the world of high priced, corporate lawsuits, do you think $178 million is a lot? In the world of rural life, do you think 40 miles is a great distance? Some Alaskan villages can only be reached by plane. They’re hundreds of miles from each other.
@@Goulash45 lived in rural America, a town of 2000 people. 40 miles was far as fuck. Corporations don't like to just give away $180 million and if you think that's not true you don't know ANYTHING about corporate America 😂. Dude, I'm not a destiny fan but you gotta bite the bullet on those stupid ass statements
Like at least half of the times Lauren started speaking, she totally switched the subject and broke the conversation. Felt so strange, like she wasn't listening at all to what's going on. Pretty tough debate though
@@RonponVideos that’s weird dude, more like she’s more concerned with pretending to concede an argument in order to make it seem really weird that the opposing side isn’t conceding too.
I love how in the beginning destiny called out ajw that if they solve for the variable ajw says he was missing he would just nit-pick another variable, which they found accounting for that variable then ajw went fishing for other variables just like destiny predicted.
40 miles isn't a lot for groceries lmao I live somewhere that most would consider pretty rural and the nearest Walmart is ~15 miles away. 40 miles is an inconceivable distance for most out of the extreme rural areas of the US lmao.
I'm getting sick of watching Lauren quickly Googling studies or having her chat link them, her clearly not reading them and then trying to push them off as counters that she's familiar with.
AJW: banks settled because the costs were too high to fight it, not because they were discriminating Fanatic: they settled because they were discriminating because they were racist. Me thinking: maybe the banks settled because they didn’t want to get extensively investigated and have evidence found of doing even worse things.
I loved when Lauren said, "These problems tend to fix themselves," and then went on to reference the Black Panther MCU movie as an example. This was an intentional decision made by people in the film and comics industry to put forth a Black superhero after decades and dozens of films revolving around white ones had been released. Sure, there was no law passed mandating this to occur, but that's often not what most serious minded progressives are advocating for anyways. Instead, they want to promote a societal awareness of the ways in which myopic approaches to various issues can be improved by having a diversity of people with different backgrounds and views.
Whats funny is people like southern n shit where againstthr black panther movie, n where so cringe in therr “ho woke go broke” tirade n how it would fail ciz no one wanted it , so its even funnier she used that movie
@@lillyadam241 "southern n shit where againstthr black panther movie" I don't remember it being a thing. What I remember is left trying to make it seem like it is a thing when people on the right were like: "Ehhh....¯\_(ツ)_/¯ whatever".
What’s actually interesting is that initially the former head of marvel studios tried to kill Black Panther and Captain Marvel projects in their crib with the thought of “no one will watch these movies.” To which… Kevin F ended up getting that guys job. Sure sounded like right leaning people didn’t care when they tried to artificially down vote the rating of captain marvel prior to its release because their feelings were hurt by what Bree Larson said.
Destiny: If African Americans were involved in testing and creation of automatic soap dispensers, we would find out they don't work with darker skin colors. Lauren and AJW: African Americans are literally undetectable.
Also Lauren and AJW: Don't you think all the white guys working on that tech know that already, don't you think they could figure it out themselves, do you think they're idiots??
@@jcavs9847 probably that the negative outcomes to the black population as a race is systemic racism as not an active prejudice but an unfortunate outcome of a system that happened to have affected a race. this argument is balogny sauce to me for that the overall solution to a problem like this has to stem from changes of race behavior, 'stupid proof' activity in the economic system that we engage with to prevent another 2008, and or an active acknolegement or even a gauge on how something like this could potentially go wrong in the future so that we can actively inform the populous on how certain measures are being taken to eliminate this didparity in negstive outcome to certain races so that if and when something fails, systematic racism couldve actually played a significant role in that systematic failure instead of what its use in today's term as just a plain fallacy when doing multivarient and merticulous resaerch on the matter
Wow, towns in the US with a population of less than 10k have no grocery stores? Who knew... Thank God I live in a town of 30k, so we have like a hundred grocery stores. All within 5 miles, not 40...
I live in a town of 7,000 with one big grocery store, a Dollar General, a Dollar Tree and about six gas stations that all have certain amounts of groceries... An even smaller town about six miles away has a grocery store and a Dollar General... a city of about 45,000 people 16 miles away has a WalMart, seven "traditional" grocery stores, two Spanish/Hispanic grocery stores, two Asian grocery stores, four Dollar Generals, a Family Dollar, a Dollar Tree, a Roses (wtf even is that?)... That dude is completely full of shit.
@@kylevernon Do you have a fucking point or are you just stating useless facts? Who gives a shit what someone would "rather do?" You may not want to go to the local Grocery Outlet but you not "wanting" to doesn't change the fact that it's there.
@@kylevernon I can't tell which is more disingenuous of a take SJW or yours. No. 1, he said some people have to drive 40 miles to find a grocery store. Your twisting it to mean something he didn't actually say. No. 2, AGAIN being a weirdo and refusing to buy at a local grocery story (or at the very last a Dollar General) STILL does not change the fact that those grocery stores are still there.
Can confirm as a Montana resident 40 miles isn't a large distance. As a resident of a town of 8,000 we can support grocery stores we can't support mega stores so we travel about 30-40 miles for any necessities unavailable in our town. Hell my buddy went 150 miles just to renew his driver's license because all the DMVs in our area were busy.
Engineer here, basically everything they were talking about regarding apps and hand dryers are completely solvable and most of the time work on black faces. Apps can recognize faces of all colors through proper programing. Hand dryers normally work on all colors.
Yea it felt like total rubbish. These aren't "unsolvable" problems considering when they're pointed out they usually get solved rather quickly or an alternative comes out that magically works on people of color. Its often just people not wanting to put in the leg work because its usually an afterthought for them.
@@FarticusSnottington I doubt AJW is dodging, he is willing to debate against Destiny and Fanatiq with Lauren. I would argue that Destiny is the stronger of the two representing his side, while AJW is stronger of the two representing his side. If AJW is willing to debate Destiny, I do not see he is scared of Fanatiq, probably just doesn't feel like Fanatiq is worth his time. I do not get why Fanatiq act so pissed off when someone do not wish to debate him 1v1.
Damn Lauren's whole schtick seems to be "it could be racism, but isn't way more likely that it's almost never racism and almost always everything but racism". Sure Lauren, sure.
Because racism in America is no longer a main issue. Are there racist? Of course. There will always be. But the amount of them is so small, that there is no real effect.
Did you not even hear the beginning clip where she concedes to say that there might be some unconscious biases present or are you just really dumb? Large systematic abuse if race is what is being debated here
@@Octavian2 Did you not even read the part of my comment where i admit that she "concedes" it's a possibility -the "it could be racism (...)" part in quotations by the way -, but that overall she is constantly downplaying or dismissing systemic racism/ systems disadvantageous to AA and other minorities existing in America or do you need to take a few lessons in reading comprehension and how not to be an asshole?
@@maxwell8758 Apparently you didn't even listen that carefully to the debate since Destiny pretty clearly and concisely speeled out how systemic racism/ systems disadvantageous to AA and other minorities don't actually need that many or even any racists to continue, because its mainly a problem with the system and not necessarily the people.
@@bigdick1267 Generalizing that is not racism most of the time isn't really better than generalizing that it's racism all of the time which some "crazy conservative wackos" like to do.
I mean he did ok, fanatiq was trying to mischaritarize ajws arguments and sean tried to interrupt and correct him a bunch. And his takes on the small towns was a bit off even considering many areas with low densities of grocery stores have farmers markets. But its clear he lives in a city. However his statistical arguments held their water, destiny somehow didn't know about class action lawsuits. and he didn't lose his temper like fanatiq lmao.
Dude every side is like that. Stop acting like dggers literally don't run to Hasan, Vaush, Mike, Demonmama, Dylan Brooks, Denims, etc streams and shit post-debate to say how much Destiny "owned" them or defend Destiny's points and try not to act like spergy autists. You're not above anyone else.
Conservatives increasingly support a national divorce. Unless you want rising energy costs and ridiculous gas prices (the petro-dollar will collapse and conservative states have all the oil) then maybe cut back on the polarizing rhetoric. I honestly don't give a shit since I'm australian, I just want to spread the word about national divorce cus I think it'd be hilarious if the U.S. split up. Your military industrial complex is fucking over our politics so hard and you guys don't even know it.
That's a complete strawman made up by you. Completely emotional and tribal. Just a way for you to LIE and pat yourself on the back with self righteousness towards a completely fabricated position your opposition does not hold. You're type of completely unearned self righteous smugness is the problem with this country.
23:40 as someone who's been to quite a few small towns in the south, never have I ever needed to drive 40 minutes to get groceries. Unless you're homesteading in Alaska or Wyoming, I really don't think you need to drive that far to get food (and even then, most of those folks grow their own)
@Andre It was 30 minutes for my family while in GA for 2 years. :P Sean just doesn’t get the relativity of large grocery chain stores since he’s from NYC. :P
@@FuddlyDud Yeah, I think the overall claim he was making about grocery store distances being long in the country (I visit my family in the boonies of Alabama every Christmas and the closest grocery store (which happens to be a Walmart lol) is a solid 14-20 minute drive) being comparable to longer distances going to a DMV in an area where other stores are relatively more accessible is a bit forced. It's like telling someone who makes 3-minute shorts that they would still get the same views for an hour long video, because other channels that post hour long videos have high views. Like you said, I think it has a lot to do with the relativity of distances and accessibility. But yeah! I'm sure there are places with long drives to get food--40 minutes seems crazy to me, but maybe I just keep getting lucky--but I wouldn't be surprised it certain places took 20 or 30 minutes to get there. (Also, hell yeah GA! I have family in the state, and we would always pass through Atlanta to get to Alabama. Pretty state! Great peaches :) )
@@FuddlyDud No it wasn't. I've lived in Georgia my whole life, the town I grew up in called Daisy has a little over 100 people in it. Not a typo, literally about a hundred. The closest grocery store was much closer than 30 minutes. I've lived rural my entire life even after we left there and didn't have that drive.
@@EE-jp5ev "No it wasn't. I've lived in Georgia my whole life, the town I grew up in called Daisy has a little over 100 people in it. Not a typo, literally about a hundred. The closest grocery store was much closer than 30 minutes. I've lived rural my entire life even after we left there and didn't have that drive." Lucky you, not the case with us and the closest grocery store that was a Publix. :P Just because you anecdotally didn't experience it doesn't mean others can't experience it.
As an employment lawyer, I'd suggest you Google direct discrimination v indirect discrimination. There is a whole jurisprudence around this (at least in common law countries)..... I feel it would also help these sorts of discussions to pivot away from race (which is highly charged from the get go, everyone's positions are fixed before the conversation starts) and thinking about something like disability.
Disability doesn't have nearly the same history and complex development as race does though. Disability is also a much more varied and specific label, as the spectrums of disability severity and the unique circumstances involved are very different from race as a concept. Especially so if you're discussing workplace discrimination. I'd say they are way too disanalogous to be useful in conversations such as this, at least past the most surface level comparisons.
The thing about any laws that are enacted to ostensibly make voting more secure is that you have to look further than just the surface of any particular aspect of a law. For instance, mandatory voter ID can seem perfectly reasonable on it's face, but the issues can arise when it comes to what types of ID's are considered valid. For example, I think it may have been Texas, there were allowances for gun permits but not student ID's. Or we could look at places that curb various early voting practices. One such practice could be Sunday voting; an activity that is historically done by Black American communities in the Southern US. These types of things are done for particularly partisan reasons, the latter of which targets Black voters. This is why I find this fixation on a law needing to be explicitly discriminatory to be considered racist or biased so ridiculous.
@Schodinger's Snufalufagus Is there some reason why we can’t have Sunday voting? Like, if it works and it gives a large chunk of people extra free time to cast their ballot, why take it away?
@Schodinger's Snufalufagus If hypothetically I found out that the majority of white working class people in a particular district in my state voted on Sunday because that’s the one day a week they have off, and made the decision to close all polls in that district on that day (right before the polls open to boot), would that not be an asshole move on my part?
Somebody should inform Actual Justice Warrior that his "Poverty doesn't drive crime because homicide rates in the 60s were high" logic also applies to his claim that crime drives poverty.
@@soakupthenoise It's pretty much unanimously agreed upon by criminologists that the spike in homicides in the 60s was due to a spike in cocaine related activity at the time. It's also important to know that AJW's decision to use homicides to define crime rate is flawed logic, because homicide is only a very small fraction of total crime. The argument that poverty drives crime is rooted in basic determinist theory. All decisions people make are determined by incentive structures that exist within the socioeconomic environment a person exists in. If a person's socioeconomic environment is poor and starving, there exists a unique incentive structure to steal food that doesn't exist in wealthy areas; that is why all of academia agrees that poverty drives crime, it's an established truism that is not debatable.
@@hanzohasashi4534 then determinism fails in this case because there was a large number of poor people in the black ghettos in the 60's but only a small percentage of them were involved in crime if poverty drove crime a larger percentage of those poor people would have been involved in crime no one was starving in the 60's
@@robinsss Determinism is a universal tautology. All human behavior is determined by previously established socioeconomic variables, including your decision to write your anti-academic comment. "there was a large number of poor people in the black ghettos in the 60's but only a small percentage of them were involved in crime" Only a small percentage of people in all of society are involved with crime. This is a meaningless statement. The question at hand is whether crime in those ghettos were proportional to crime in non-ghettos, the answer is... no. "if poverty drove crime a larger percentage of those poor people would have been involved in crime" They were... proportional to other areas. "no one was starving in the 60's" You heard it here first folks... poverty didn't exist in the 60s.
@@hanzohasashi4534 @3:00:36 - This is the proper response. "Poverty drives crime" is an extremely shallow way of evaluating the issue, especially when talking about violent crime.
Dude, I'm from one of the big rural states. 40 miles is FAR. Let's even be generous and say it's a 65 mile/hour road the whole way. That's still 80 minutes round trip. That's a lot of time to take out of a blue collar work day that usually only gives you a 15 minute lunch break. Besides, that wasn't the issue in Georgia. They were increasing sites in rural areas while decreasing site in black urban areas where theres more people.
In nc it’s like 25 miles to the nearest dmv and I live in the middle of nowhere and there are bus routes all around the dmv that people can take to get to it it’s not like your spending an hour getting there and a hour back
@@Eennki The point is, it should be easily accessible to get an ID and vote. You're the one that compared minorities to animals, without even thinking, that there could be multiple reasons for some not to make that 'journey'.
@@hankhill6252 I mean I believe ids should be free and easily accessible but if you think just because someone isn’t white they are incapable of getting an id then idk what to say
@@Eennki You're the one that keeps mentioning race, all I said is that it should be easy for anyone to get an ID and vote, regardless of race. And yes It can be anyone that doesn't make that 'journey', for whatever reason, once again, regardless of race. I'm just saying that in certain areas it can be more difficult to get ID or vote, for anyone. I never mentioned race, just stating that it could be a little easier to get an ID or vote. You're the one turning this into a race issue.
Call me a simp but Steven literally got queen flour ranger to quote systematic racism word for word and she said that will be fair he drilled this simple ass argument into her head finally she’s still a troll but I remember watching this yesterday and was shocked what she conceded
@@temporaryusername11 Naw you got me all wrong As far as humor goes, that shit's a free for all as far as I'm concerned Anything goes if you're funny with it
Could it just be that lenders were not targeting anyone based on race, but the people who fall in these racial groups simply don't have enough money or good credit scores to qualify?
@@mastermoose8390 Seems like you can’t engage with my arguments so you have to point out things like how many times I’ve made points that can’t be refuted. Good luck with that copium addiction. Lol
Who said it’s predetermined? Did AJW ever say that lol? It can be genetics or culture. Different cultures produce different outcomes seems way more likely.
People that tend to blame black culture for crime, obsess over low level crime that affects a small number of people. They will ignore the white collar crimes that destroy communities, families, and society, because some business group wants to make more money. This guy would consider protection money being paid by a local store to a gang a criminal activity, but I would love to know how he feels about money in politics, which is essentially protection money from corporations.
That is a really sneaky way of saying low level crime doesn't matter. Low level crime leeds to higher level crime and has been proven over and over. in numerous studies . The whole idea of low level crime being OK is exactly what is going on in California. Your trying to say it's OK for people to do low level crime. Because white collar crime exists. What a silly argument. Can you expand on how this makes ant sense at all
@@jamesfitch8987 I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that it's really convenient that political corruption and corporate shenanigans get ignored or a slap on the wrist, while a guy selling some drugs to get money for his family is "the real issue". Of course I'm speaking about non violent low level crimes, not anything like murder or rapes.
@@phanatic215 we aren't debating high level crime issues though. We are debating low level and violent crime. Which is where the policing and mass arrests are located. And this has absolutely nothing to do with genetics. It also is extremely obvious with statistics that low level violent crime does exist, disproportionately. The answer for this is culture. Not genetics. Please read "Black Rednecks and White Liberals." Modern black culture isn't inherent. It exists in other races and has hurt other groups in history. But right now it exists in the black community in the US. And denying this, because its uncomfortable or you want to white knight for "black culture" will not fix the root problems. Only prolong them. Many aspects of modern black culture are absolutely beautiful, but that's not the parts that are the problem.
@@craigpoer I don’t think they’ve had a 1v1 yet, but I could be wrong. They’ve had another 2v2 debate, but AJWs partner ducked out beforehand so it was a 2v1, and Destiny didn’t really want to speak much because he didn’t want to dogpile AJW
Destiny : Some technology were designed with only one group in mind LS : But that's the limit of technology, like it work X way Yeah... that's Destininy's point. It would work another way if it was brainstormed with other people in mind I get she's not an engineer, or like... smart or anything but how can she even think she's got something here?
That part was so maddening... Yeah IPL is literally based on pigmentation but the motion based technology discussed for soap dispensers is like a peak example of where there's a huge blindspot. The fact that it's easier to develop technology based around certain skin shades is not an excuse to be okay with that Blindspot. Then ajw brings up the movie camera example as though that wasn't an argument against him. He tried to frame add purely as "oh it's just the puppy dog face filter it's not consequential" as if the other stuff they were discussing doesn't flow downstream from that exact mindset. It's actually really bad that we are in a situation where developers and tech companies would see any group of racial people as not worth accounting for (yeah losing 13% of a population isn't a killer for a product, but if that product is going to be used in bathrooms across the country as the only way to efficiently dispense soap then yeah it's a problem, and beyond the actual problem of soap dispensers just straight up not working for certain skin tones it can absolutely make the excluded feel less than).
@@chelseavictoria3312 That actually isn’t the argument AJW was making, his point was you could devise a soap dispenser or a camera that does work with black skin but the lighting conditions outside the device could potentially throw off the technology and it isn’t the fault of the designer. Like if the bathroom lighting isn’t the same as the testing environment then this is just a limitation of the technology based on outside factors that the engineers can’t control.
I don't think you are right here. The tech was designed with all people in mind. And the limitations of the tech can't be ascribed to systemic racism. Facial recognition will always have to work the same way and light will always be a limiting factor.
@@Bradley_Lute Exactly. These people seem to be under a naive, childish impression of the world. They seem to think that the benevolent intentions and the diverse racial makeup of the team will somehow make it easier to work around the limits of physics and technology. They think that our societal constructs somehow have any impact on natural phenomena. It’s not like that issue is unique to black people either, there’s plenty of products that don’t work as well for people with low melanin levels as well. Racism has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Drug laws were indeed racist because the person that created them was a racist. Henry Anslinger was a notorious racist. While cannabis was made illegal because of the hemp industry threatening the cotton and textile industry, Anslinger added in some good old fashioned fear mongering by stating "Marijuana makes white women seek relations with negroes". Crack sentences were five times more than cocaine, and the crack epidemic primarily effected black communities.
For anyone who wasnt in live chat during this debate. At 19:53 I asked Lauren to wave if she could see my comment and she did! 😍 y’all really better leave my boo alone lol 😂
I get passionate when I debate people and it fails me all the time people mistake passion for anger. It lets me down all the time and I had to change my tactics.
I know that AJW can be smug and a bit condescending but he's also very bright and knowledgeable, I would argue he has earned the right to be a bit smug... Is there any specific claim or argument that he made which you think is false or weak?
It's very annoying that it took Lauren Southern 2 hours to realise what the topic is about, Systemic Racism has a meaning and she clearly didn't know it.
@@omegaonion yes but I think the much more productive position is focusing on framing systematic racism properly because the conservatives came to argue strawmen. Imagine if you could get southern on board with systematic disadvantage from implicit systems rather than racist actors. It seems like their reaction is a fight or flight response to thinking someone is calling them racist
No one online uses the correct academic definition of systematic racism. So much so that even Destiny hates the term. She was strawmanning out of ignorance of these unusual positions. She conceded the point afterward. Just say you hate her and move on
@@giovalladares1022 None of what I said was incorrect. Do not try and brush away legitimate criticism with "you just hate her" the fact is she knew she would be on this debate, the issue has come up time enough for someone who is entering a debate on the topic to atleast know the basics. Yes it is a confusing term for a layperson but this is what she does day in and day out, if you're ignorant on a topic, don't debate it, if you choose to, accept that your ignorance is legitimate criticsm and improve. Your blind defence of her says more about your bias than mine.
I love how conservatives have no problem pointing fingers at black culture, but when it comes to being critical of possible bad police culture, nothing but good faith... Vomit...
@@whatoh3407 Bruh, destiny's not an intellectual god: stop it. And no, ajw was not smug--more smug than fanatic and the very least (ducking peep). Sean is also a man whom study and has a degree in criminal justice--I guess that answers your question.
Pauly Shore no he’s not lmao. Every single video of his is filled to the brim of smugness. I thought Jimmy Dore and Cenk were smug. This guy is cartoonishly smug to the point he’s half joking and half not.
Holy jesus that whole "Soap dispenser" argument made me actually groan out loud. Yes, there are elective tools where it doesn't work. White people don't buy those if they are too pale and blonde. But what Destiny is talking about is Facebook HQ in Nigeria installed soap dispensers that work on Infrared, which can't detect the reflection from the black skin. This is a clear example of how if a black person was in the room when this purchasing decision was made, they might have said "Hey, Maybe DON'T get those soap dispensers because we have several black employees and I know from experience that those don't work for us" AJW then follows up with "But you need different lighting for black people!" Yeah. and if you have a set full of white people, who have always worked with white people and never learned from black co-workers, they will set up the lighting in a way that will make the black people look like they are in the witness protection program. Thats exactly the fucking point! The influence of either working with black people, or having people on set with understanding of the lived experience of black people makes that job easier. Because they have input and knowledge that white people might not have considered. Because why would you consider it? I don't consider "How do I fly a plane" Because I don't fly a plane. That doesn't make me a bad person. It just means I should probably consult a pilot before I try to buy a plane. The fact that this argument is something that Lauren and AJW thinks they need to argue back against is so idiotic that they automatically lose the entire debate because they just prove that they are fucking insanely bad faith. Because they cannot concede the point that "The presence of someone who has a different lived experience can be good, because they can help you understand a lived experience you do not understand" Destiny doesn't even say this should be mandated or law. He just says that this as value. And rather than just agreeing that this has potential value, they decide to quibble over nonsense regarding fucking soap dispensers.
"The light has to penetrate through several layers...and so the higher the person is on the Fitzpatrick scale (a measure of skin tone), the more difficult it is for light to bounce back,” he explained. “For someone who is very pale in a very brightly-lit setting, the light could get washed out. The skin color issue is something that our technology compensates for. The darker the skin, the brighter the light shines, the lighter [the skin] the less it shines.”" Bruh I cant find information on it being infrared. It seems to be what ajw was talking about.
@@ogzombieblunt4626 When the article says "The Light" it means "Infrared light" note that it doesn't state any other type of Light is at use, and Infrared is typically how these sensors work. These detectors send out Infrared light from a point, and when you take your hand under it, it reflects the Infrared back into the sensors around the light emitter and triggers it. Because of the pigment in black peoples skin, the light doesn't reflect back as well and it won't trigger. yes it can happen with white people too, but it doesn't tend to because 1: the light needs to be REAL bright, and the area under the sensor tends to be shaded by the sensor. 2: Its rare to have hands that pale because hands are always exposed. 3: Your body will usually be between the sensor and the light. And even if it is Infrared, or if it is some other type of light. It's irrelevant. The point is Light does not reflect as well of black peoples skin. And If there was a black person involved in the design / purchasing of these dispensers. This might not have happened.
@@richardommundsen2417 There are 3 types of sensors commonly used by dispensers. Radar, optical, and infrared. If this device was infrared it would just be detecting heat and would have no problem discerning between black and white as it literally doesn't see those pigments, just the passive heat... so the one you are talking about absolutely seems like an optical one. Btw infrared sensors on these dispensers are passive, they dont send out any signals... why do you talk about things you have no clue about?
@@ogzombieblunt4626 I see what you mean, I read the article too quickly and it is indeed using an Optic sensor and the light is just... Light not infrared. You're right. But the point still remains. The product Destiny is talking about is one that failed to register black skin because light is not reflecting off it well enough to trigger the optic sensor. And this is a lived experience that a black person being part of the designing / purchasing decision could possibly have informed the team about and avoided the issue in the first place. Regardless of my failure to properly read the article, Destiny is right that more varied experiences in a team, can help reduce the chance of errors and problems in decision making.
@@richardommundsen2417 The point I would like to make and ajw made is that optical sensors simply cannot detect dark pigments as easily because of physics. I bet you could make a more advanced or machine learned system, but the point of optical sensors is that they're much more cheap than infrared. So if you try to solve for this you might make the sensors you sell to majority black areas more expensive. And then people would be yelling discrimination. I really cringed when destiny said that a vax research team would be better if it was diverse. Considering how many black people go into STEM I can gurentee you that if you maximized for diversity or made a vax team in the image of the demographics of america, then you would leave a lot of smart white people out and have a higher proportion of black people who aren't as qualified. We need our research teams to based on merit not diversity. Trying to make the team more diverse, and not just looking at their merit will literally yield worse results.
AJW saying that the credit scores being the reason why there’s a disparate impact on loans is incorrect. A subprime loan doesn’t mean you’re getting bad loan terms because of a bad credit score. A subprime loan is not getting the best rate with the credit score being factored in. Subprime loans used to happen to people with good credit scores too.
Actual Justice Warrior comes off as someone who is incredibly detached from the real world. I don't know if he only shops at Walmart for groceries or what, but 40 miles to purchase food is a fucking food desert.
@@Goulash45 No I think you do lol. I’ve live in 3+ towns of under 2000 people in Missouri and Kansas and I’ve always had a grocery store within 20 miles of me. Sure, maybe if you needed a Walmart you’d have to go 30+ miles. But to say people regularly travel over 40 miles for groceries is absurd lol
@@Goulash45 Alaska I’ll give you, but any other state there might be a handful of town that don’t have a grocery store within 40 miles, like very very few. I’ve traveled all over the Midwest and I can guarantee you that is not a normal thing in rural communities
AJW is right. Where we came up with the notion that outcomes of situations should be equal among different groups is a mystery to me. Excellent book on this topic is "Discrimination and Disparities" by Thomas Sowell.
Depends where you live. A lot of people out in the country side live a bit far away from grocery stores. If you live in a town, then you really don't have to drive that far.
@@ediodimacaroni Naw. I have family that live in Circle, MT (look it up) it is the county with the lowest population in the US. They are within 20 miles of a grocery store. Even if you live between towns you usually own a large ranch and many of those guys just choose not to go to the store and instead pay to have someone deliver their household supplies once a month.
@@macpalin4099 i live in the state myself, and there are areas where you would not find ANY grocery store for 30-40 miles. There are instances where you would not even run into a town for miles at a time. Also we should be giving free voter ids.
People on the left don't know what it means, genius. Ask 10 different leftists and you'll get ten different answers. Ranging from the US is fundamentally a racist country in it's very conception with no cure but to tear it all down.....all the way to there is racist systemic corruption in one county in one state in 2022.
@@salildeshpande7 falls for it? Southern completely bowed to destiny because she acted like she didn't understand systemic racism etc. He was frustrated because she's been debating for a decade and acted like she was confused by the term
@@brianadams8832 syste.ic racism exists but on the left.. for example: affirmative action, hiring, refusing admissions to Asians, teacher's unions which harm poc students disproportionately
@@salildeshpande7 uh. That isn't what she got called out for. I'm not playing this left bad right bad game. She acted like she didn't understand the term or what was meant by it, which waa ridiculous.
Listening to the right-wing rhetoric is like someone insisting they're smarter when they're high. The tool you're using to judge the tool's effectiveness is impaired. These two assuming a person from a different experience can just assume they can figure out someone else's experience is exactly the problem. They doesn't know what they don't know so in her head it sounds like she's got it all figured out. AJW and Lauren using the camera metaphor missed the point so fucking hard they uno-reverso'd back to evidence that diversity is important. They're being unsurprisingly egocentric.
Omg AJW saying they're incentivized based on the size of the cohort. Ding dong the payout is based on projected damages and is independent of enrollment. It doesn't matter if it's 100 or a mil: if the damages are only 500$ per individual it doesn't make sense for people to pursue recompense but you can't get away with letting a company commit thousands or millions in damages. AJW is so nonsensical in this that he's not even wrong- he's missing the point.
The problem with progressives is that they want to look at subjective anecdotes to inform their opinions (lived experiences). Whereas ajw is just using statistics, so it seems like he doesn't take into account personal anecdotes that the progs want him to look at.
@@ogzombieblunt4626 bruh. Destiny is pretty exclusive about using data to inform his decisions and being conciliatory about things the data doesn't necessitate being true. AJW spends a lot of time trying to demonstrate how the studies he cites are biased, but doesn't concede when provided a study that controls for the variables he mentioned, and still arrives at a similar conclusion. I imagine he's not reading the data, but is instead getting his info from someone communicating the data. You have to be cynical that the author is injecting a bias, so it's better to just go to the source. Even researchers can introduce bias in their summary, so studies that haven't been repeated are low-validity unless it's an incredible cohort. In this case, the study exploring the race-bias of lenders has been investigated multiple times using a significant population. AJW loses a lot of credibility when he won't concede that the data is in opposition to his belief, but he argues his belief despite it. That's an example of something opposite to what you said, and I would argue that similar arguments (like mask mandates) have a science-based (and now "left-wing") support while its opposition is emotional and unfortunately something the right has Integrated into "right" identity.
@@Biomechanic2010 Destiny isnt a progressive. He's a social democrat not a democratic socialist. I'm talking about people that are like fanatiq or vaush. I respect destiny a lot for his rejection of absolute subjectivity. And AJW was proved right multiple times through his use of the data. Some of his takes on small towns isn't great, probably bc he lives in new york.
Nothing comes to mind on AJW using data for something contentious... was it in the 2nd half? I got uninvested when he was talking confidently about litigation. He was pretty dismissive of the implications of a class-action even being filed, instead of at least acknowledging it could be valid evidence of malfeasance. He had no nuance, and threw the baby out with the bathwater.
18:30 why would Black home ownership be a relevant point when talking about the after effects of redlining in certain areas? Thats an overall stat that surely went up for all races. He’s basically saying that redlining isn’t bad because home ownership went up.?
@@Goulash45 but thats not what was being discussed, destiny corrects him immediately after because home ownership can go up and redlining can still be a racist and destructive practice to minorities, they are not mutually exclusive
A good photographer can use the same camera to shoot a perfectly exposed photo of a black and white person. Training an algorithm to do the same is not difficult with a camera phone or a sensor for whichever product, seeing that since we've been having this specific conversation, we are already seeing progress to mitigate the issues. Any excuses are literally just excuses
On the 1998 New Jersey study, if the high definition cameras cant tell if the person is black neither can the " racist cop" attempting to pull them over
It is impossible to see a dark hand? They act like dark skin is a black hole. There are several ways to do this: Use different intensities, different directions, different frequencies, a different decision algorithm, ... Automatic doors also open for black people. So there has to be a way to do this. For example, we could look whether the light beam is interrupted or not.
not exactly. it comes down to not enough diversity in the testing team. or they would have caught that massive bug before releasing their product....and they would have avoided a lot of honestly undeserved backlash. why their testing team was not diverse enough, i dont know....it COULD be racism....or could just be that not enough black people were interested. maybe their lab is in an area where few black people live? i dont know.....
@@sabin97 fucking physics cannot be helped by having a black perspective. It’s like white people saying the sun is racist because it burns them more than black people. The people who worked in the technology knew it would be less effective on black skin but it was still very useful technology. Having the black perspective wouldn’t have changed anything. Mind you, I’m not against a qualified blacks person being part of the process I’m just against it being forced
@@giovalladares1022 "fucking physics cannot be helped by having a black perspective" exactly BUT. if you have a black person in your testing team, the device would have failed IN TESTING.....BEFORE you start production. so you save A LOT of money modifying it to take physics into account. and you would also have saved a lot of bad publicity from people who dont understand physics and want to attribute everything to racism. it's not a matter of perspective. it's a matter of physics. do you understand now? or do i need to explain it at usa reading levels? i think i could stoop that low if you really need it.
give less loans = racism via lack of capital access give more loans = racism via predatory loans give same loans = racism via ignorance of prior stated racism.
Bro what is the point of doing Lauren debates she literally has debated destiny 2020484820 times and has yet to change her mind probably because she DOESNT want her mind changed . It’s malarkey at this point.
Debates are about presenting the best arguments for or against a proposition for the benefit of the audience, not the participants. It’s about changing the mind of the viewer, not the participants.
AJW just comes off racist to me. He won’t accept information that doesn’t fit his narrative. “I said that they controlled for that” “I don’t believe you “. Instead of “let me see it” like Destiny said.
@@pjhaze Poverty isn't as clear the predictor of crime as we'd think. It IS a factor, but it honestly isn't as dead on as we intuitively think. I think the link is quite strong personally, but it's not settled.
2v2 debate on systemic and institutional racism against Lauren Southern and Actual Justice Warrior ft. MrFanatiq.
Holy crap bro take a shower your hair lmao
The southern strategy Lee Atwater
You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”-that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”
COINTELPRO and Iran-Contra was not discussed and had devastating impacts on the black community.
The FBI stats only show who’s arrested for a crime not who’s found guilty or later found innocence. The FBI also have a report on the infiltration of white supremacist in law enforcement which came out in 2006 under the bush administration.
Also, benefits given to whites by the government in I.E. the new deal, the farming acts, and the GI bill.
@@hinglemccringleberry1255 No JLP won this one :)
it was a 2 v 1 v 1. ajw and lauren were basically on the same side.
Haven’t watched this yet but I’m stoked to find out if I’m for or against racism. Thanks Destiny!
This made me laugh so hard lmao
Ngl, I lold
Lol what?
LMAO
that's how 99% of destiny-fanbois are able to think. they're drones with empty brains waiting for "how they have to think".
"If you live in a small town of 10,000 people that can't sustain a grocery store..."
I haven't laughed that hard in a looong while.
That whole section was just a series of stumblefucks from all sides.
Especially as someone who grew up 50 miles from our version of a DMV.
I got so confused when he said that. I grew up in a town of 2000 with 2 grocery stores, and just moved to a town of 10000 with about 7 lmao. Then he seemed to think Walmart was the only grocery store lol
I'm high as fuck and the reality of this is actually splitting my cranium
Hell, I've been in a town of 100 and it had a grocery store.
@@pointlesstwat8927 I guess maybe 2000 is the mark then. I grew up in a village of 1300 and you can't sustain a mom and pop grocery store for like more than a couple years. But live like a 10 min drive away from a town with multiple grocery stores with much better prices so of course
I always love how Destiny’s tone and body language in the opening intros seems like he is being forced against his will to participate in these debates.
It's funny you say that, because he only realized he was going to be a part of this debate 3 hours before it happened, so he had to turn off his stream and spend that time doing research haha
@@Alex_Johnson_ Not only that, but he also has mentioned in the past about disliking 2v2 debates.
He basically kind of is lmao. Destiny hates 2v2 debates and I think he knew this one was gonna be a shitshow from the start, but he had to do it cuz he feels he has to be the one logical person in these kinds of situations cuz he cares about putting out good info
Can’t take the heat..
@@spooky6049 there is no excuse for your choices.
Destiny: "I fucking hate 2v2 debates, you can never go in-depth about any argument, you are also stuck having to play defense for your partner who even if he shares your position might have some different reasons, it just increases interruptions and padding. No point in doing them."
Also Destiny:
I hate painting older homes cause they require way more prep work then a more modern house. I still paint them.
Adults sometimes do things they dislike because they need doing lol
And doesn’t mean that he can’t take on exceptional 2v2 debates that can work favourably.
I think he chose this thinking it would be an exception, since he’s talked to Lauren and Fanatiq a bunch beforehand , and decided they had good-faith intentions. But ironically , this debate proves destiny’s quote: Fanatiq got overly attached on a point, to the degree that he undermined Destiny’s one and only point that they could make Lauren and AJW concede on.
If u didnt know, he was asked to do this debate under the belief he had about a week to decline or not but he was abruptly told it was scheduled like a day later. I guess he didnt wanna look chicken.
@@nickmyers3065 "Adults sometimes do things they dislike because they need doing lol"
No need to be smug, him doing this specific duo debate wasn't necessary and fully avoidable, especially since he is known for more effectively combating these people (especially Lauren) on his own and he does so often. He could've done a debate with more definitive merit instead. It's delusional to frame this debate as a necessary duty.
"10k people cant sustain a grocery store"
idk man, i live in a town with about 3400 people, and we have 4..
Right? My town had 3000 and had a sizeable grocery store
@@marylawrence2218 Where do you live?
@@xXAscendingPhoenixXx northern BC.
The funny part is that he somehow thinks
1) just because there are no grocery stores near him personally, means that the definition of far changes
2) just because he can make a 2+ hour round trip to a grocery, or even just anywhere, means that most people can
3) walmart is the only place where they sell groceries
@@marylawrence2218 Nice, I've gone through northern BC for camping, and I've found that there are grocery stores everywhere in all the small towns I've driven through, and I'm not even necessarily looking for them either.
If you think about it a 3k population is already 6k-9k meals a day if everyone is eating from 2-3 meals a day, at $5-$10+ a meal that could be about $30k-$90k+ spent on food per day on average! If there are 10k in Sean's town, they must be eating grass instead of food or something to not be able to sustain a grocery store! LOL
alternate title Sennheiser chads vs virgin generic headphones
What Headphones doesn fnatiq have?
The hurr durr six hundos
They say they hate Nazis yet they wear german headphones...curious 🤔
@@naschylobo Sennheiser was also recently bought by a Swiss company with nazi gold I'm sure. The plot thickens...
@@naschylobo what?
“10,000 people is a small town” Good lord tell me you have never left New York w out telling me you never left New York
Homie said Walmart was far from him, Lmaoo no shit New York can’t have Walmart’s you’re going to jersey for that but there’s definitely more grocery stores just as big as Walmart in NYC
Im from a town with over 70,000 and that is still small to me lol
Tell me you’re from bumble fuck now where without telling me you’re from bumblefuck nowhere
@@Lightningkuriboh bumblefuck nowhere is a few hundred/few thousand mfers
@@freedom_mayor that is def a small town, but even still, those real rural towns are literally population of 600
I like how they’re arguing about Wells Fargo, a company that got in trouble for opening accounts for people without their knowledge
They even had to pay out $3B as a result of the settlement. I even got a $41 check as a result of the case, as I had an account with Wells Fargo prior to 2015.
As a recipient of the bank of America lawsuit settlement, most of the settlement was for robo signing signatures. They were literally foreclosing on homes without going through the legal process and targeting homes with equity in order to profit from the fees collected during the foreclosure process.
Yeah, but did they admit fault though?
@@kenpachizaraki3536 for the robo signing yes. For locking me out of my house for them not paying the insurance company via the escrow? No
@@williambontrager2349, sorry that was a reference to what AJW kept saying. He acted like just because they didn't admit fault, that there wasn't actual people impacted by them.
@@kenpachizaraki3536 nah he was just saying that a settlement is not an admission of guilt in some cases.
@@williambontrager2349 settlements don't have to be an admission of guilt but not always the case.
Why did you argue that 40 miles isn't far, the question is why shut down those DMVs to begin with? How far doesn't matter one bit. Why do it at all?
Especially in populated minority neighborhoods
If they were losing money because these DMVs didn't get enough traffic, would it still be prejudicial?
And if it was 10 miles away, would it then be a issue? What about 25?
@@milkbreadbakery
All these disparately populated areas are typically rural and White.
Sooooo, hard to claim white racism when it’s white people getting the worst of it. :P
Because it was an easy dunk and made AJW look even more stupid trying to defend his take, like saying 10,000 people is a small town that can't sustain a grocery store (lmao)
@@hawkxlr can you time stamp that quote please? I agree with you that 10000 people can support a grocery chain but cannot support a DMV.
This comment section shows Destiny has some of the smartest and some of the dumbest viewers out there
The dumbest viewers are usually from the audience of his debate opponent.
@@BDKoala you’re ideologically possessed.
@@BDKoala bahahahaha wut? it appears that the chosen ones are here...
@@giovalladares1022I’m guessing you’re a viewer from another channel
which one are you?
“A town of 10,000 people that can’t maintain a grocery store” my guy let me find that town and open up a grocery store
Edit: I was volunteering in Brooklyn during the mayoral/borough race and electioneering laws are just barely enforced
I live in a very, very rural area. I think the dude was referring to food-deserts in these areas (the Dollar General noticed this and made a killing financially). But he's playing an "everyman's rural man", has probably never really lived in extremely rural area and his own bias's are problematic to boot.
Its funny because Ive been to the walmart in El Paso that got shot up by a replacement theorist. What do you do then?
Replacement theory is a silly concept because it is just simple established fact that Wht Americans are estimated to become a minority by sometime in the 2040s. It's not so much a THEORY that Euro Americans will become a minority as much as it is a mundane, uncontested fact.
This video has lead me to the personal conclusion that the only way we'll ever solve racism is by treating each and every race equally horribly
@@bigdick1267 not saying it will be but we can always hope for it
In ajw's case, treating fanatic horribly, is indeed justified. No one person with etiquette would say that "you're ducking me," and act like they did noting wrong: unless you're fanatic. Convince me on this, that I'm wrong.
@@nonical1429 i don't have better stuff to do but I'm gonna pretend i do anyway
The South American way
We already do. I do at least.
Love these debates. Honestly these types of debates provide more actual information than any news source I have seen over my entire life. People don't have time to fact check and really dig in to studies and data and these debates really break things down. No matter what side you are on these issues it really takes the left vs right aspect out of it and I appreciate that.
I’m an AJW fan who’s starting to watch more and more of Destiny and I feel like watching these two in particular debate teaches me more then ANY other source I know of.
Anyone else think Destinys content has been on a roll recently?
Was watching some old Destiny content, and holy shit has he improved his rhetoric over time. His intelligence didn't change that much, but now he comes out of most debates looking really good
@@superjbosc5343 imagine what would destiny do to jontron if they would debate now
@@superjbosc5343 imagine getting better with more experience lol smh
Idk the darkest dungeon streams are incredibly sleepstiny but the yt content is usually pretty good
@@beastmodecowboy209 Idk dude I really enjoy the dd streams, specially as a 2nd screen/background type shit
This wasnt a good look. Destiny's attempt to reason with the right wingers by laying out little breadcrumbs that appeal to their worldview is a good tactic to get them to agree on something but everytime Destiny did that Fanatiq would interrupt or follow up with something that basically moved the point of attention to something else, making destiny's attempt to appeal to right wing positions as nothing more than attempts to appeal and not as tactics to persuade.
Destiny was like: meet me at the middle
Fanatiq was like: agree with my side
Lauren was like: I want to meet in the middle but i'm not agreeing with your side.
AJW was like: black people dont like winter.
This is why this won't end
"Reason with Right wingers" The left truly can't see how far we have fallen. Yes I say we because I was once on the left. I'm black, we are basically born lefty. I made the choice to leave because of shit like that. I noticed you peeped Destiny's technique, but did you even hear what AJW and Lauren was talking about or did you just come up with a caricature of them both? Show me where they lied. Show me where they intentionally, or not give out false information. Because they didn't. You have a problem with what you perceive to be their ideology because they certainly didn't give falsehoods. Fanatiq on the other hand did. Like the crime bill for instance.
TRUE
@@ARealPersonNotABot where did I claim any of the things you accuse me of? My comment was more a critique of fanatiqs bad debate etiquet than anything else. Stop getting triggered over nothing.
Yo this is accurate af
2:07:34
"Officers write down crazy stuff like half Asian , half baby." That or officers have been pulling over female anime protagonists
I mean, they do have those anime like cosplays, with the same faces, as in looks exactly like the 2d character but in reality.
Fucking terrifying when it's not remotely normal human facial structure anime.
So a terrifying cosplayer I bet.
Good god have y'all seen those cosplays?
Fucking nightmare fuel
Hard hitting facts by AJW.
"I DRIVE TO THE WALMART AND ITS FAR"
40 miles at 30mph(so 80 mile round trip) + traffic + the actual shopping, all I wanted was some lettuce, not a fucking all day trip
@@adrycough it’s not common and most people would just take the highway and get there in about 50 mins, which still sucks but not as bad as what you’re describing lol
@@mattgruber7556 I had a friend who lived in buttfuck nowhere in Arizona. They had a corner store for basic stuff, but everything else was a 40+ minute drive. The "nearby" bigger town with lowes and walmarts and such was literally 35 to 40 miles away. The kind of place where they go out and cut their own wood in the national forest and some of them straight up just collect their own water and stuff. People in those areas really don't understand not having your own vehicle because it is required for them to live.
When I was studying for my CFP I took a bus for an hour each way in buttfuck Seoul to get my groceries. It wasn’t that bad. It’s a state of mind. I read books while I went.
@@paulyshore1942 Same. My work is a 1.5 hour bus ride away. I take a switch. But I live in the city. So my grocer is a 10 minute walk away. A lot of people don't realize how it is in the boonies. When I lived in Maryland, there was a big gas station an hour walk from me. But the real grocery store was in another town 40 minutes away driving. So I had to plan my life around that.
Man, there's about 50 red flags right off the bat, but if "AJW" not conceding that 40 miles is far as fuck to drive for groceries doesn't show bad faith, I don't know what does
He literally conceded not knowing 30 seconds after he said it…
What video did you watch?
@@FuddlyDud oh hey, AJW's alt.
That doesn’t seem bad faith at all though?
I live in a state with a small population size and tons of tiny towns speckled everywhere. You can easily drive anywhere 40 miles away in under 40 minutes. Hell, I consistently drive about 200 miles in about 2 and a half hours. But when I lived in a different state, 40 miles did take significantly longer. It really is dependent on what state we are talking about. But if that is the case, this point doesn’t seem bad faith since it does exist in some places that 40 miles isn’t that far.
But I think they got really hung up on the grocery stores when the real point was about DMVs. I don’t know how much you have gone to the DMV, but I may have gone at most 5 times in my life. It just isn’t that necessary to have one within 10 miles of every single citizen.
I’m pretty sure AJW was wrong about a pop of 10,000 not having a grocery store (basically every town over 5,000 in my state has one), but this stuff just doesn’t seem bad faith to me.
@@riemannsum3741 Hey, thanks for your thoughts, I'd like to add in a few things as clarification.
1) I completely agree, 40 miles in the rural part of Arkansas is going to be a drastically different drive time then a 40 mile drive through the urban part of Pennsylvania. My reasoning for claiming this is blatantly bad faith is that without looking into the case at all, AJW assumed any random area they mentioned would fall under the "we can drive 100mph for 2 hours straight" rather than "we might be lucky to go one block without hitting a red light"
2) Driving time isn't the only time we need to account for, as Fanatiq and Destiny tried pointing out, the DMVs being referenced were being cut out (as agreed by supreme court) in ways to specifically limit black voting. Queue times could be as long as 10 hours, and with things like water not being handed out anymore, asking someone for time off to drive 40 miles to sit in line for 10 hours with little ability to get food/water, you're chopping a huge population of people out of voting
To say that these things aren't objectively harmful to the voting abilities of the people targeted is basically ignoring reality. Lauren and AJW both seem to need a person to be comic book levels of racist (picture the hood, shouting the n word, and so on) before they're "comfortable" calling them racist.
As a side note, I've wasted a few years of my life working in a grocery store, he was comedically off base saying a pop of 10k is too low to sustain one, in the early 00's it was 2k+, and has moved to around 3200 if I recall. Not trying to berate you with that, just pointing out that this man has shown incredibly strong opinions on things he's blatantly wrong about that he doesn't even bother to fact check.
AJW warrior is a special kind of person
Why is it, that in every still image of the man, AJW looks like he's just realised "that wasn't a fart"?
The cognitive dissonance required to admit the negative consequences of the drug war, the negative consequences of single parent households, then refuse to connect the 2.
40 Miles is pretty damn far
is this something you do every week ? the place i live the "local" place to do car related things like driver id, car license shut down because it was not finacially viable to maintain. the next one is 1.5h away instat of 20min. this has nothing to do with any racial agenda and it is not really a problem if you have to drive longer every few years.
@@keto3883 "40 miles isn't far because I actually have to drive farther."
As much as I wish reality could be rewritten to match your standards, 40 miles is still a long distance.
@@hawkxlr Did you even read his response, or are you really this dense?
@@mypartyisprivate8693 What a nothing statement lol
@@hawkxlr thats not at all what i said. might wanna read again because you build a giant strawman.
just to add a little to your strawman. a persons expectation of a distance to reach an objective and the use of the words "far and near" relative to the expectation are indeed reality. just think about what of the two words you would use in scenario a and b :-)
a giant asteroid missing eart by 40miles
b a soccer ball missing a person by 40miles
i learned a lot this debate, 40 miles isn't very far to drive for groceries. and 175 million dollars is not a lot of money. that last one making me feel real broke right now.
wait.
are you seriously saying you dont have 172 million usd? is everyone in your family just that lazy?
I grew up in the country, the 40m shit was wild. Yea I've driven further to the store, but the dmv etc courthouse etc was at least in town.
The first one making everybody who dont got a car feeling broke too
172 million isn't a lot for a case like that, considering billions is common
Considering America's large amount of land, 40 mile drive for something like DMV might truly not be as uncommon as you might initially assume.
Remember the last one? "Poverty doesn't drive crime"
I enjoyed this debate on wether or not 40 miles is a long drive
I fish a lake 48 miles from my house and i hate thr drive
40 miles would take HOURS. Who just casually drives 40 miles?!
@@starletd6819 people who dont like big cities
It also never addressed the obvious: “what if you don’t have a car”
@@ashina5924 thats how far my college is from my house thank god for zoom lectures. I don’t dislike the drive but doing it everyday would get to be a lot
Why does lauren keep framing destiny with the most extreme version of his argument?
He should bring up great replacement.
B/c it’s the only way the right can argue
I think this is a holdover from the debate bro wars of a few years ago when the idea was to make your opponent look as dumb as possible by strawmannirg and representing them. Now to be fair, that was obviously relatively effective at the time which is why most, if not all, online creators participated in it
I think the issue now is that kind of argumentation has probably run its course, and its only really useful for keeping numbers up
An interesting way to look at this might be, if any of the people involved in this conversation had prize money at stake if they were able to persuade their opponents of anything, would they debate the same way. I think the answer is almost certainly no
Its like her favoirite trick to make the argument look as ridiculous as possible. She does it when someone brings up criticism of her past aswell.
Don't act like the people she's talking about (even if not destiny himself) exist. Go on Twitter for a second and it's easy to figure out why she frames things the way she does. Destiny literally explains why after she does it.
"40 miles isnt that far" "$178 million isnt that much"..... bro.....Does actual justice warrior even human?
This stupid comment is so internet I can't even
@@mypartyisprivate8693 dammit, that's way too good of a point, I can't even!
@@mypartyisprivate8693 what?
You understand that those are relative considerations, right? In the world of high priced, corporate lawsuits, do you think $178 million is a lot? In the world of rural life, do you think 40 miles is a great distance? Some Alaskan villages can only be reached by plane. They’re hundreds of miles from each other.
@@Goulash45 lived in rural America, a town of 2000 people. 40 miles was far as fuck. Corporations don't like to just give away $180 million and if you think that's not true you don't know ANYTHING about corporate America 😂. Dude, I'm not a destiny fan but you gotta bite the bullet on those stupid ass statements
Like at least half of the times Lauren started speaking, she totally switched the subject and broke the conversation. Felt so strange, like she wasn't listening at all to what's going on. Pretty tough debate though
@@RonponVideos that’s weird dude, more like she’s more concerned with pretending to concede an argument in order to make it seem really weird that the opposing side isn’t conceding too.
AJW can't stop tweaking when he has to listen to Destiny or Fanatiq is kinda funny
I saw tweaking as twerking and had a laugh at the idea lol
I love how in the beginning destiny called out ajw that if they solve for the variable ajw says he was missing he would just nit-pick another variable, which they found accounting for that variable then ajw went fishing for other variables just like destiny predicted.
@@whatoh3407 I am watching this ripping my hair out over it. Woooooow.
He doesn't listen, he's just waiting for his turn the entire time.
"Yeah, so I'm here"
clearly, the debate was won in the opening statement.
40 miles isn't a lot for groceries lmao
I live somewhere that most would consider pretty rural and the nearest Walmart is ~15 miles away. 40 miles is an inconceivable distance for most out of the extreme rural areas of the US lmao.
I've traveled to towns of sub-1000 people, they have grocery stores lmao.
You've never been to Texas then, have you? It's normal to live this far from Walmart outside any major hub.
@@mathurex211
Yeah, but Texas has pants-on-head idiotic zoning laws, it doesn’t count for the US. 40 miles is worse than most of freaking Alaska.
destiny! my man, I just wanna say thank you for all the content. literally everyday I jump on RUclips and you're right in my feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed.
Destiny and AJW should have 1v1 conversation.
Would be good stuff!
Maybe they can play some league
@@SimonH109 They can do both, lol
True the black guy and the woman are too emotional DestW
i feel like this happened and destiny did well
I'm getting sick of watching Lauren quickly Googling studies or having her chat link them, her clearly not reading them and then trying to push them off as counters that she's familiar with.
Its funny how Destiny shuts her down immediately every time she does that
@@miggydoms I just wish she would get called out on it aggressively every time she does it until maybe(though unlikely) she stops doing it
She's likely familiar with a lot of them, but doesn't recall the specifics? That would be my guess.
@@alicat4906 you're infinitely more charitable to her than I could ever be.
It’s really dumb how she thinks looking over a forward can give her enough information to speak on the topic
Yes, we all remember when Marvel Studios defeated racism by making the movie, The Black Panther. Well done Lauren!
@@plaguebringer420 Age of Ultron ruined the MCU for me :(
Wrong. Arnold and Carl Weather's handshake in Predator defeated racism in 1987.
Did Destiny honestly believe that if you make a settlement it means you’re guilty?? 😂😂
And he doesn’t understand what plaintiffs are??
AJW: banks settled because the costs were too high to fight it, not because they were discriminating
Fanatic: they settled because they were discriminating because they were racist.
Me thinking: maybe the banks settled because they didn’t want to get extensively investigated and have evidence found of doing even worse things.
LAUREN IS PRAISING COMPANIES FOR SETTLING “UNJUST” DISCRIMINATION SUITS?!
I loved when Lauren said, "These problems tend to fix themselves," and then went on to reference the Black Panther MCU movie as an example. This was an intentional decision made by people in the film and comics industry to put forth a Black superhero after decades and dozens of films revolving around white ones had been released. Sure, there was no law passed mandating this to occur, but that's often not what most serious minded progressives are advocating for anyways. Instead, they want to promote a societal awareness of the ways in which myopic approaches to various issues can be improved by having a diversity of people with different backgrounds and views.
Yeah that was pretty amazing. Suddenly woke SJWs making media to push their agenda is the way forward lmao
Whats funny is people like southern n shit where againstthr black panther movie, n where so cringe in therr “ho woke go broke” tirade n how it would fail ciz no one wanted it , so its even funnier she used that movie
@@lillyadam241 "southern n shit where againstthr black panther movie" I don't remember it being a thing. What I remember is left trying to make it seem like it is a thing when people on the right were like: "Ehhh....¯\_(ツ)_/¯ whatever".
Funny how things didn't fix themselves until 2018.
What’s actually interesting is that initially the former head of marvel studios tried to kill Black Panther and Captain Marvel projects in their crib with the thought of “no one will watch these movies.”
To which… Kevin F ended up getting that guys job. Sure sounded like right leaning people didn’t care when they tried to artificially down vote the rating of captain marvel prior to its release because their feelings were hurt by what Bree Larson said.
Destiny: If African Americans were involved in testing and creation of automatic soap dispensers, we would find out they don't work with darker skin colors.
Lauren and AJW: African Americans are literally undetectable.
Also Lauren and AJW: Don't you think all the white guys working on that tech know that already, don't you think they could figure it out themselves, do you think they're idiots??
To be fair rolled Rogue, sneak attack is op.
Because if black people weren't involved then we wouldn't know that they don't work with darker skin? Did you read what you just wrote?
@@Octavian2 As I understand it, that's literally what happened.
Fanatiq was trying to actively derail and undermine Destiny's point he got Lauren and ajw to agree to
... which is why i say its a 2 v 1 v1
Agree to what
@@jcavs9847 probably that the negative outcomes to the black population as a race is systemic racism as not an active prejudice but an unfortunate outcome of a system that happened to have affected a race. this argument is balogny sauce to me for that the overall solution to a problem like this has to stem from changes of race behavior, 'stupid proof' activity in the economic system that we engage with to prevent another 2008, and or an active acknolegement or even a gauge on how something like this could potentially go wrong in the future so that we can actively inform the populous on how certain measures are being taken to eliminate this didparity in negstive outcome to certain races so that if and when something fails, systematic racism couldve actually played a significant role in that systematic failure instead of what its use in today's term as just a plain fallacy when doing multivarient and merticulous resaerch on the matter
@@wxz177 ^^^^Word, so reactionary^^^^
(I’m disagreeing with YOU victor, forgot your inferential ability is lacking)
@@plokky8052 Yes, because they were objectively pretty good.
Wow, towns in the US with a population of less than 10k have no grocery stores? Who knew... Thank God I live in a town of 30k, so we have like a hundred grocery stores. All within 5 miles, not 40...
I live in a town of 7,000 with one big grocery store, a Dollar General, a Dollar Tree and about six gas stations that all have certain amounts of groceries... An even smaller town about six miles away has a grocery store and a Dollar General... a city of about 45,000 people 16 miles away has a WalMart, seven "traditional" grocery stores, two Spanish/Hispanic grocery stores, two Asian grocery stores, four Dollar Generals, a Family Dollar, a Dollar Tree, a Roses (wtf even is that?)... That dude is completely full of shit.
@@kylevernon Do you have a fucking point or are you just stating useless facts? Who gives a shit what someone would "rather do?" You may not want to go to the local Grocery Outlet but you not "wanting" to doesn't change the fact that it's there.
@@kylevernon I can't tell which is more disingenuous of a take SJW or yours. No. 1, he said some people have to drive 40 miles to find a grocery store. Your twisting it to mean something he didn't actually say. No. 2, AGAIN being a weirdo and refusing to buy at a local grocery story (or at the very last a Dollar General) STILL does not change the fact that those grocery stores are still there.
You misinterpreted. He said "if" a group of 10,000 can't sustain a grocery store
Can confirm as a Montana resident 40 miles isn't a large distance. As a resident of a town of 8,000 we can support grocery stores we can't support mega stores so we travel about 30-40 miles for any necessities unavailable in our town. Hell my buddy went 150 miles just to renew his driver's license because all the DMVs in our area were busy.
Engineer here, basically everything they were talking about regarding apps and hand dryers are completely solvable and most of the time work on black faces. Apps can recognize faces of all colors through proper programing. Hand dryers normally work on all colors.
Twitters didn’t
Yea it felt like total rubbish. These aren't "unsolvable" problems considering when they're pointed out they usually get solved rather quickly or an alternative comes out that magically works on people of color. Its often just people not wanting to put in the leg work because its usually an afterthought for them.
@devinhargrave4451 Precisely
I pick up my friend who lives like 11 miles from me every Monday to play Magic and that is a hassle, what is this dude on.
Yeah dude but where’s your Walmart at? We know this is the only grocery store you can go to
@@jamesjanes7936 I live in a city of over 50,000 people that has several grocery stores to choose from.
conservatives love to mix legality and morality
Bc the two aren't separate. Where do you think our laws are predicated on?
@@judahguerrero1090 definitely not on common sense. Most conservatives usually use the Bible to dictate laws.
I typed "debate me 1v1" on Destiny's chat. He didnt respond til this very day. It is obvious that he is ducking me and afraid to debate me.
@@FarticusSnottington I doubt AJW is dodging, he is willing to debate against Destiny and Fanatiq with Lauren. I would argue that Destiny is the stronger of the two representing his side, while AJW is stronger of the two representing his side. If AJW is willing to debate Destiny, I do not see he is scared of Fanatiq, probably just doesn't feel like Fanatiq is worth his time. I do not get why Fanatiq act so pissed off when someone do not wish to debate him 1v1.
Damn Lauren's whole schtick seems to be "it could be racism, but isn't way more likely that it's almost never racism and almost always everything but racism". Sure Lauren, sure.
Because racism in America is no longer a main issue. Are there racist? Of course. There will always be. But the amount of them is so small, that there is no real effect.
Did you not even hear the beginning clip where she concedes to say that there might be some unconscious biases present or are you just really dumb? Large systematic abuse if race is what is being debated here
@@Octavian2 Did you not even read the part of my comment where i admit that she "concedes" it's a possibility -the "it could be racism (...)" part in quotations by the way -, but that overall she is constantly downplaying or dismissing systemic racism/ systems disadvantageous to AA and other minorities existing in America or do you need to take a few lessons in reading comprehension and how not to be an asshole?
@@maxwell8758 Apparently you didn't even listen that carefully to the debate since Destiny pretty clearly and concisely speeled out how systemic racism/ systems disadvantageous to AA and other minorities don't actually need that many or even any racists to continue, because its mainly a problem with the system and not necessarily the people.
@@bigdick1267 Generalizing that is not racism most of the time isn't really better than generalizing that it's racism all of the time which some "crazy conservative wackos" like to do.
"You're methodology is wrong."
"No YOU'RE METHODOLOGY IS wrong!"
"YOU ARE BOTH WRONG! I ALONE HAVE THE ONE TRUE METHODOLOGY!"
Only my streamer is right 🙂
I like how AJW has keyboard warriors going to an “enemy” comment section to defend their champion
I mean he did ok, fanatiq was trying to mischaritarize ajws arguments and sean tried to interrupt and correct him a bunch. And his takes on the small towns was a bit off even considering many areas with low densities of grocery stores have farmers markets. But its clear he lives in a city. However his statistical arguments held their water, destiny somehow didn't know about class action lawsuits. and he didn't lose his temper like fanatiq lmao.
But would you want to hear fantiq again. I mean he has a 800 credit score..
We like to dispel bullshit.
Dude every side is like that. Stop acting like dggers literally don't run to Hasan, Vaush, Mike, Demonmama, Dylan Brooks, Denims, etc streams and shit post-debate to say how much Destiny "owned" them or defend Destiny's points and try not to act like spergy autists. You're not above anyone else.
@@merlotpapi4930 destiny and vausch viewers are possibly the worst offenders of this lol
When Lauren says she agrees that racism exists what she actually means to say is that she agrees the word ‘racism’ exists
Conservatives increasingly support a national divorce. Unless you want rising energy costs and ridiculous gas prices (the petro-dollar will collapse and conservative states have all the oil) then maybe cut back on the polarizing rhetoric.
I honestly don't give a shit since I'm australian, I just want to spread the word about national divorce cus I think it'd be hilarious if the U.S. split up. Your military industrial complex is fucking over our politics so hard and you guys don't even know it.
That's a complete strawman made up by you. Completely emotional and tribal. Just a way for you to LIE and pat yourself on the back with self righteousness towards a completely fabricated position your opposition does not hold. You're type of completely unearned self righteous smugness is the problem with this country.
23:40 as someone who's been to quite a few small towns in the south, never have I ever needed to drive 40 minutes to get groceries. Unless you're homesteading in Alaska or Wyoming, I really don't think you need to drive that far to get food (and even then, most of those folks grow their own)
@Andre
It was 30 minutes for my family while in GA for 2 years. :P
Sean just doesn’t get the relativity of large grocery chain stores since he’s from NYC. :P
@@FuddlyDud Yeah, I think the overall claim he was making about grocery store distances being long in the country (I visit my family in the boonies of Alabama every Christmas and the closest grocery store (which happens to be a Walmart lol) is a solid 14-20 minute drive) being comparable to longer distances going to a DMV in an area where other stores are relatively more accessible is a bit forced. It's like telling someone who makes 3-minute shorts that they would still get the same views for an hour long video, because other channels that post hour long videos have high views. Like you said, I think it has a lot to do with the relativity of distances and accessibility.
But yeah! I'm sure there are places with long drives to get food--40 minutes seems crazy to me, but maybe I just keep getting lucky--but I wouldn't be surprised it certain places took 20 or 30 minutes to get there.
(Also, hell yeah GA! I have family in the state, and we would always pass through Atlanta to get to Alabama. Pretty state! Great peaches :) )
@@FuddlyDud No it wasn't. I've lived in Georgia my whole life, the town I grew up in called Daisy has a little over 100 people in it. Not a typo, literally about a hundred. The closest grocery store was much closer than 30 minutes. I've lived rural my entire life even after we left there and didn't have that drive.
@@EE-jp5ev
"No it wasn't. I've lived in Georgia my whole life, the town I grew up in called Daisy has a little over 100 people in it. Not a typo, literally about a hundred. The closest grocery store was much closer than 30 minutes. I've lived rural my entire life even after we left there and didn't have that drive."
Lucky you, not the case with us and the closest grocery store that was a Publix. :P
Just because you anecdotally didn't experience it doesn't mean others can't experience it.
@@FuddlyDud lmao if we're doing dueling anecdotes, one of us is lying and I'll spoil it for you - it isn't me.
Why does Lauren ALWAYS fight against the wildest strawmen?? It make her look even more ridiculous than she is
As an employment lawyer, I'd suggest you Google direct discrimination v indirect discrimination. There is a whole jurisprudence around this (at least in common law countries).....
I feel it would also help these sorts of discussions to pivot away from race (which is highly charged from the get go, everyone's positions are fixed before the conversation starts) and thinking about something like disability.
They need someone like you to be on the panel.
Would you say that racism I'm employment is a big issue
Disability doesn't have nearly the same history and complex development as race does though.
Disability is also a much more varied and specific label, as the spectrums of disability severity and the unique circumstances involved are very different from race as a concept. Especially so if you're discussing workplace discrimination.
I'd say they are way too disanalogous to be useful in conversations such as this, at least past the most surface level comparisons.
Good thing you mentioned you're an employment lawyer. That means more to me than logic.
The thing about any laws that are enacted to ostensibly make voting more secure is that you have to look further than just the surface of any particular aspect of a law. For instance, mandatory voter ID can seem perfectly reasonable on it's face, but the issues can arise when it comes to what types of ID's are considered valid. For example, I think it may have been Texas, there were allowances for gun permits but not student ID's. Or we could look at places that curb various early voting practices. One such practice could be Sunday voting; an activity that is historically done by Black American communities in the Southern US. These types of things are done for particularly partisan reasons, the latter of which targets Black voters. This is why I find this fixation on a law needing to be explicitly discriminatory to be considered racist or biased so ridiculous.
@Schodinger's Snufalufagus Is there some reason why we can’t have Sunday voting? Like, if it works and it gives a large chunk of people extra free time to cast their ballot, why take it away?
@Schodinger's Snufalufagus If hypothetically I found out that the majority of white working class people in a particular district in my state voted on Sunday because that’s the one day a week they have off, and made the decision to close all polls in that district on that day (right before the polls open to boot), would that not be an asshole move on my part?
Somebody should inform Actual Justice Warrior that his "Poverty doesn't drive crime because homicide rates in the 60s were high" logic also applies to his claim that crime drives poverty.
Is it possible that high homicide rates are usually driven by poverty nowadays but were more frequently driven by other factors in the 60s?
@@soakupthenoise It's pretty much unanimously agreed upon by criminologists that the spike in homicides in the 60s was due to a spike in cocaine related activity at the time. It's also important to know that AJW's decision to use homicides to define crime rate is flawed logic, because homicide is only a very small fraction of total crime.
The argument that poverty drives crime is rooted in basic determinist theory. All decisions people make are determined by incentive structures that exist within the socioeconomic environment a person exists in. If a person's socioeconomic environment is poor and starving, there exists a unique incentive structure to steal food that doesn't exist in wealthy areas; that is why all of academia agrees that poverty drives crime, it's an established truism that is not debatable.
@@hanzohasashi4534 then determinism fails in this case because there was a large number of poor people in the black ghettos in the 60's
but only a small percentage of them were involved in crime
if poverty drove crime a larger percentage of those poor people would have been involved in crime
no one was starving in the 60's
@@robinsss Determinism is a universal tautology. All human behavior is determined by previously established socioeconomic variables, including your decision to write your anti-academic comment.
"there was a large number of poor people in the black ghettos in the 60's
but only a small percentage of them were involved in crime"
Only a small percentage of people in all of society are involved with crime. This is a meaningless statement. The question at hand is whether crime in those ghettos were proportional to crime in non-ghettos, the answer is... no.
"if poverty drove crime a larger percentage of those poor people would have been involved in crime"
They were... proportional to other areas.
"no one was starving in the 60's"
You heard it here first folks... poverty didn't exist in the 60s.
@@hanzohasashi4534 @3:00:36 - This is the proper response. "Poverty drives crime" is an extremely shallow way of evaluating the issue, especially when talking about violent crime.
these 4 people all have very different amounts of hair.
That was my main takeaway too
Dude, I'm from one of the big rural states. 40 miles is FAR. Let's even be generous and say it's a 65 mile/hour road the whole way. That's still 80 minutes round trip. That's a lot of time to take out of a blue collar work day that usually only gives you a 15 minute lunch break.
Besides, that wasn't the issue in Georgia. They were increasing sites in rural areas while decreasing site in black urban areas where theres more people.
In nc it’s like 25 miles to the nearest dmv and I live in the middle of nowhere and there are bus routes all around the dmv that people can take to get to it it’s not like your spending an hour getting there and a hour back
@@Eennki The point is, it should be easily accessible to get an ID and vote. You're the one that compared minorities to animals, without even thinking, that there could be multiple reasons for some not to make that 'journey'.
@@matthewfiedler4739 You're assuming your scenario resonates with everyone in America, kudos
@@hankhill6252 I mean I believe ids should be free and easily accessible but if you think just because someone isn’t white they are incapable of getting an id then idk what to say
@@Eennki You're the one that keeps mentioning race, all I said is that it should be easy for anyone to get an ID and vote, regardless of race. And yes It can be anyone that doesn't make that 'journey', for whatever reason, once again, regardless of race. I'm just saying that in certain areas it can be more difficult to get ID or vote, for anyone. I never mentioned race, just stating that it could be a little easier to get an ID or vote. You're the one turning this into a race issue.
Call me a simp but Steven literally got queen flour ranger to quote systematic racism word for word and she said that will be fair he drilled this simple ass argument into her head finally she’s still a troll but I remember watching this yesterday and was shocked what she conceded
Wtf is "flour ranger"? lol
Is that some wierd contrived racist term for a white person?
It's definitely pretty funny, if nothing else
@@SirLied not you tryna tone police me making a joke
@@SirLied its the white ranger from power rangers dino thunder
@@temporaryusername11 Naw you got me all wrong
As far as humor goes, that shit's a free for all as far as I'm concerned
Anything goes if you're funny with it
Fanatic seems smart but he’s a little too long winded
He's not smart, most of his arguments were pretty dumb.
And he is annoying
Could it just be that lenders were not targeting anyone based on race, but the people who fall in these racial groups simply don't have enough money or good credit scores to qualify?
It is both possible and true.
This has been a great, civil, informative discussion between left and right. Great panel. I have only watched 33 minutes of this. So far so good.
I agree.
@@mastermoose8390 AJW is Puerto Rican. Lol
@@mastermoose8390 Seems like you can’t engage with my arguments so you have to point out things like how many times I’ve made points that can’t be refuted. Good luck with that copium addiction. Lol
@@mastermoose8390 Also, why would I go to AJW’s channel to espouse these arguments? You think I’m into echo chambers? I’m not. Lol
Who said it’s predetermined? Did AJW ever say that lol? It can be genetics or culture. Different cultures produce different outcomes seems way more likely.
People that tend to blame black culture for crime, obsess over low level crime that affects a small number of people. They will ignore the white collar crimes that destroy communities, families, and society, because some business group wants to make more money. This guy would consider protection money being paid by a local store to a gang a criminal activity, but I would love to know how he feels about money in politics, which is essentially protection money from corporations.
That is a really sneaky way of saying low level crime doesn't matter. Low level crime leeds to higher level crime and has been proven over and over. in numerous studies . The whole idea of low level crime being OK is exactly what is going on in California. Your trying to say it's OK for people to do low level crime. Because white collar crime exists. What a silly argument. Can you expand on how this makes ant sense at all
@@jamesfitch8987 I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that it's really convenient that political corruption and corporate shenanigans get ignored or a slap on the wrist, while a guy selling some drugs to get money for his family is "the real issue". Of course I'm speaking about non violent low level crimes, not anything like murder or rapes.
@@phanatic215 we aren't debating high level crime issues though. We are debating low level and violent crime. Which is where the policing and mass arrests are located. And this has absolutely nothing to do with genetics. It also is extremely obvious with statistics that low level violent crime does exist, disproportionately. The answer for this is culture. Not genetics. Please read "Black Rednecks and White Liberals." Modern black culture isn't inherent. It exists in other races and has hurt other groups in history. But right now it exists in the black community in the US. And denying this, because its uncomfortable or you want to white knight for "black culture" will not fix the root problems. Only prolong them. Many aspects of modern black culture are absolutely beautiful, but that's not the parts that are the problem.
White collar crime is disproportionately committed by Black people. You should read some time.
Destiny and AJW would actually have a great 1v1 debate/convo
Didn't they do that. Ajw needs more practice debating but getting better
@@craigpoer I don’t think they’ve had a 1v1 yet, but I could be wrong. They’ve had another 2v2 debate, but AJWs partner ducked out beforehand so it was a 2v1, and Destiny didn’t really want to speak much because he didn’t want to dogpile AJW
@@craigpoer
he needs to learn to get his facts straight.....
@@zarka223 the white guy on the bottom left had some good points top right guy was clueless
@@craigpoer AJW needs practice actually learning topics instead of throwing out studies for dumbass reasons lol
Destiny : Some technology were designed with only one group in mind
LS : But that's the limit of technology, like it work X way
Yeah... that's Destininy's point. It would work another way if it was brainstormed with other people in mind
I get she's not an engineer, or like... smart or anything but how can she even think she's got something here?
That part was so maddening... Yeah IPL is literally based on pigmentation but the motion based technology discussed for soap dispensers is like a peak example of where there's a huge blindspot. The fact that it's easier to develop technology based around certain skin shades is not an excuse to be okay with that Blindspot.
Then ajw brings up the movie camera example as though that wasn't an argument against him. He tried to frame add purely as "oh it's just the puppy dog face filter it's not consequential" as if the other stuff they were discussing doesn't flow downstream from that exact mindset.
It's actually really bad that we are in a situation where developers and tech companies would see any group of racial people as not worth accounting for (yeah losing 13% of a population isn't a killer for a product, but if that product is going to be used in bathrooms across the country as the only way to efficiently dispense soap then yeah it's a problem, and beyond the actual problem of soap dispensers just straight up not working for certain skin tones it can absolutely make the excluded feel less than).
Wrong. Destiny's and the other guy were implying that you NEED a black person in order to come with a solution.
@@chelseavictoria3312 That actually isn’t the argument AJW was making, his point was you could devise a soap dispenser or a camera that does work with black skin but the lighting conditions outside the device could potentially throw off the technology and it isn’t the fault of the designer. Like if the bathroom lighting isn’t the same as the testing environment then this is just a limitation of the technology based on outside factors that the engineers can’t control.
I don't think you are right here. The tech was designed with all people in mind. And the limitations of the tech can't be ascribed to systemic racism. Facial recognition will always have to work the same way and light will always be a limiting factor.
@@Bradley_Lute Exactly. These people seem to be under a naive, childish impression of the world. They seem to think that the benevolent intentions and the diverse racial makeup of the team will somehow make it easier to work around the limits of physics and technology. They think that our societal constructs somehow have any impact on natural phenomena.
It’s not like that issue is unique to black people either, there’s plenty of products that don’t work as well for people with low melanin levels as well. Racism has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Drug laws were indeed racist because the person that created them was a racist. Henry Anslinger was a notorious racist. While cannabis was made illegal because of the hemp industry threatening the cotton and textile industry, Anslinger added in some good old fashioned fear mongering by stating "Marijuana makes white women seek relations with negroes". Crack sentences were five times more than cocaine, and the crack epidemic primarily effected black communities.
For anyone who wasnt in live chat during this debate. At 19:53 I asked Lauren to wave if she could see my comment and she did! 😍 y’all really better leave my boo alone lol 😂
User name checks out
She’s average
@@lif3andthings763 dude you're like in every comment mentioning her as pretty. It's hilarious
I don't use this lightly, but......simp
Massive simp no doubt
@@SirLied boiii you haven’t heard about me yet? I’m literally known as the biggest Lauren Southern simp on the Internet.
I get passionate when I debate people and it fails me all the time people mistake passion for anger. It lets me down all the time and I had to change my tactics.
And dont be a tiny bit larger or muscular. They automatically assume you is mad
Same here
MrFanatiq looks so tired of their shit in some of the segments and honestly same
Whenever destiny makes a great point one of the conservatives just goes backwards to another point they already addressed
yeah welcome to conservative debate tactics
I know that AJW can be smug and a bit condescending but he's also very bright and knowledgeable, I would argue he has earned the right to be a bit smug...
Is there any specific claim or argument that he made which you think is false or weak?
@@whatoh3407 and Destiny isn’t? Lol. He’s super condescending and arrogant.
It's very annoying that it took Lauren Southern 2 hours to realise what the topic is about, Systemic Racism has a meaning and she clearly didn't know it.
Do you think it's deliberate? She's obviously not an idiot but it sounds like it's a framing tactic
@@markmurray6386 well she is a conservative so it goes without saying that she doesn't know that much
@@omegaonion yes but I think the much more productive position is focusing on framing systematic racism properly because the conservatives came to argue strawmen. Imagine if you could get southern on board with systematic disadvantage from implicit systems rather than racist actors. It seems like their reaction is a fight or flight response to thinking someone is calling them racist
No one online uses the correct academic definition of systematic racism. So much so that even Destiny hates the term. She was strawmanning out of ignorance of these unusual positions. She conceded the point afterward. Just say you hate her and move on
@@giovalladares1022 None of what I said was incorrect. Do not try and brush away legitimate criticism with "you just hate her" the fact is she knew she would be on this debate, the issue has come up time enough for someone who is entering a debate on the topic to atleast know the basics. Yes it is a confusing term for a layperson but this is what she does day in and day out, if you're ignorant on a topic, don't debate it, if you choose to, accept that your ignorance is legitimate criticsm and improve. Your blind defence of her says more about your bias than mine.
I love how conservatives have no problem pointing fingers at black culture, but when it comes to being critical of possible bad police culture, nothing but good faith... Vomit...
That's not their position on police....at all.
It’s so painful watching people try and work through something which Destiny can clear up in a few sentences.
He’s usually a little better. AJW is pretty solid.
@@whatoh3407 Bruh, destiny's not an intellectual god: stop it. And no, ajw was not smug--more smug than fanatic and the very least (ducking peep). Sean is also a man whom study and has a degree in criminal justice--I guess that answers your question.
Pauly Shore no he’s not lmao. Every single video of his is filled to the brim of smugness. I thought Jimmy Dore and Cenk were smug. This guy is cartoonishly smug to the point he’s half joking and half not.
Holy jesus that whole "Soap dispenser" argument made me actually groan out loud.
Yes, there are elective tools where it doesn't work. White people don't buy those if they are too pale and blonde. But what Destiny is talking about is Facebook HQ in Nigeria installed soap dispensers that work on Infrared, which can't detect the reflection from the black skin. This is a clear example of how if a black person was in the room when this purchasing decision was made, they might have said "Hey, Maybe DON'T get those soap dispensers because we have several black employees and I know from experience that those don't work for us"
AJW then follows up with "But you need different lighting for black people!" Yeah. and if you have a set full of white people, who have always worked with white people and never learned from black co-workers, they will set up the lighting in a way that will make the black people look like they are in the witness protection program. Thats exactly the fucking point! The influence of either working with black people, or having people on set with understanding of the lived experience of black people makes that job easier. Because they have input and knowledge that white people might not have considered. Because why would you consider it? I don't consider "How do I fly a plane" Because I don't fly a plane. That doesn't make me a bad person. It just means I should probably consult a pilot before I try to buy a plane.
The fact that this argument is something that Lauren and AJW thinks they need to argue back against is so idiotic that they automatically lose the entire debate because they just prove that they are fucking insanely bad faith. Because they cannot concede the point that "The presence of someone who has a different lived experience can be good, because they can help you understand a lived experience you do not understand" Destiny doesn't even say this should be mandated or law. He just says that this as value. And rather than just agreeing that this has potential value, they decide to quibble over nonsense regarding fucking soap dispensers.
"The light has to penetrate through several layers...and so the higher the person is on the Fitzpatrick scale (a measure of skin tone), the more difficult it is for light to bounce back,” he explained. “For someone who is very pale in a very brightly-lit setting, the light could get washed out. The skin color issue is something that our technology compensates for. The darker the skin, the brighter the light shines, the lighter [the skin] the less it shines.”"
Bruh I cant find information on it being infrared. It seems to be what ajw was talking about.
@@ogzombieblunt4626 When the article says "The Light" it means "Infrared light" note that it doesn't state any other type of Light is at use, and Infrared is typically how these sensors work. These detectors send out Infrared light from a point, and when you take your hand under it, it reflects the Infrared back into the sensors around the light emitter and triggers it.
Because of the pigment in black peoples skin, the light doesn't reflect back as well and it won't trigger.
yes it can happen with white people too, but it doesn't tend to because 1: the light needs to be REAL bright, and the area under the sensor tends to be shaded by the sensor.
2: Its rare to have hands that pale because hands are always exposed.
3: Your body will usually be between the sensor and the light.
And even if it is Infrared, or if it is some other type of light. It's irrelevant. The point is Light does not reflect as well of black peoples skin. And If there was a black person involved in the design / purchasing of these dispensers. This might not have happened.
@@richardommundsen2417
There are 3 types of sensors commonly used by dispensers. Radar, optical, and infrared. If this device was infrared it would just be detecting heat and would have no problem discerning between black and white as it literally doesn't see those pigments, just the passive heat... so the one you are talking about absolutely seems like an optical one. Btw infrared sensors on these dispensers are passive, they dont send out any signals... why do you talk about things you have no clue about?
@@ogzombieblunt4626 I see what you mean, I read the article too quickly and it is indeed using an Optic sensor and the light is just... Light not infrared. You're right.
But the point still remains. The product Destiny is talking about is one that failed to register black skin because light is not reflecting off it well enough to trigger the optic sensor. And this is a lived experience that a black person being part of the designing / purchasing decision could possibly have informed the team about and avoided the issue in the first place.
Regardless of my failure to properly read the article, Destiny is right that more varied experiences in a team, can help reduce the chance of errors and problems in decision making.
@@richardommundsen2417
The point I would like to make and ajw made is that optical sensors simply cannot detect dark pigments as easily because of physics. I bet you could make a more advanced or machine learned system, but the point of optical sensors is that they're much more cheap than infrared. So if you try to solve for this you might make the sensors you sell to majority black areas more expensive. And then people would be yelling discrimination.
I really cringed when destiny said that a vax research team would be better if it was diverse. Considering how many black people go into STEM I can gurentee you that if you maximized for diversity or made a vax team in the image of the demographics of america, then you would leave a lot of smart white people out and have a higher proportion of black people who aren't as qualified. We need our research teams to based on merit not diversity.
Trying to make the team more diverse, and not just looking at their merit will literally yield worse results.
AJW saying that the credit scores being the reason why there’s a disparate impact on loans is incorrect. A subprime loan doesn’t mean you’re getting bad loan terms because of a bad credit score. A subprime loan is not getting the best rate with the credit score being factored in. Subprime loans used to happen to people with good credit scores too.
Sub prime loans are, by definition, high risk loans. People with good credit scores are not high risk. 🤦🏼♂️
@@Goulash45 I never bought into the idea that big banksters were turning down good money just because they.. hate black people?
Trollin?
You probably shouldn't use driving with a suspended license as a "dumb experience with the justice system"😂😂
Actual Justice Warrior comes off as someone who is incredibly detached from the real world. I don't know if he only shops at Walmart for groceries or what, but 40 miles to purchase food is a fucking food desert.
You sound very ignorant of rural life.
@@Goulash45 No I think you do lol. I’ve live in 3+ towns of under 2000 people in Missouri and Kansas and I’ve always had a grocery store within 20 miles of me. Sure, maybe if you needed a Walmart you’d have to go 30+ miles. But to say people regularly travel over 40 miles for groceries is absurd lol
@@wrestler375 So your anecdotal experience means people in Montana or Alaska or any number or Midwestern states have the same experience as you?
@@Goulash45 Alaska I’ll give you, but any other state there might be a handful of town that don’t have a grocery store within 40 miles, like very very few. I’ve traveled all over the Midwest and I can guarantee you that is not a normal thing in rural communities
@@wrestler375 You sound very ignorant of rural states’ geography.
Would be nice to see Destiny and AJW team up and debate another pair. That team would be devastating.
I agree, I actually found destiny through ajw's channel, and I really enjoy both of their content.
Is this a meme or inside joke? Did we watch the same video?
(looks at video description)
TF?
AJW is right. Where we came up with the notion that outcomes of situations should be equal among different groups is a mystery to me. Excellent book on this topic is "Discrimination and Disparities" by Thomas Sowell.
Chat is down bad Lauren puts on a sweater and they went wild.
No one in Montana has to drive 40 miles for groceries.
Depends where you live. A lot of people out in the country side live a bit far away from grocery stores. If you live in a town, then you really don't have to drive that far.
@@ediodimacaroni Naw. I have family that live in Circle, MT (look it up) it is the county with the lowest population in the US. They are within 20 miles of a grocery store. Even if you live between towns you usually own a large ranch and many of those guys just choose not to go to the store and instead pay to have someone deliver their household supplies once a month.
@@ediodimacaroni this still doesn't alleviate the main point. Which is that the government should freely give voting ids
@@macpalin4099 i live in the state myself, and there are areas where you would not find ANY grocery store for 30-40 miles. There are instances where you would not even run into a town for miles at a time.
Also we should be giving free voter ids.
@@ediodimacaroni The only time when you wouldn't have a town without at least a small town grocery for 40 if you live in the middle of Bob Marshall.
I swear to god I thought homie in the bottom left was rocking a Hitler stache. Took me a second to realize it's just his upper lip dimple.
chad philtrum
I'm not surprised they didn't know what systemic means lmao.
People on the left don't know what it means, genius. Ask 10 different leftists and you'll get ten different answers. Ranging from the US is fundamentally a racist country in it's very conception with no cure but to tear it all down.....all the way to there is racist systemic corruption in one county in one state in 2022.
It was fun seeing Destiny finally blow up over Lauren Southern's framing and spin. She can come off as balanced then bam, says something so slanted.
timestamp?
Destiny is the one who spins and gets mad when people dont fall for it
@@salildeshpande7 falls for it? Southern completely bowed to destiny because she acted like she didn't understand systemic racism etc. He was frustrated because she's been debating for a decade and acted like she was confused by the term
@@brianadams8832 syste.ic racism exists but on the left.. for example: affirmative action, hiring, refusing admissions to Asians, teacher's unions which harm poc students disproportionately
@@salildeshpande7 uh. That isn't what she got called out for. I'm not playing this left bad right bad game.
She acted like she didn't understand the term or what was meant by it, which waa ridiculous.
Not admitting fault is about protecting against future litigation for the same causes. Primarily potential civil litigation.
Dude that guy is just doing a slightly more articulate version of NoBullshit's "they're walking around with guns hanging out of their pockets"
@@ELDENLORD89 even though I don't know what a race realistic is, you sound goofy as fuck,
The video should be titled "Racist try and justify racism".
Actual Justice Warrior is actually fucking annoying
Listening to the right-wing rhetoric is like someone insisting they're smarter when they're high. The tool you're using to judge the tool's effectiveness is impaired. These two assuming a person from a different experience can just assume they can figure out someone else's experience is exactly the problem. They doesn't know what they don't know so in her head it sounds like she's got it all figured out. AJW and Lauren using the camera metaphor missed the point so fucking hard they uno-reverso'd back to evidence that diversity is important. They're being unsurprisingly egocentric.
Omg AJW saying they're incentivized based on the size of the cohort. Ding dong the payout is based on projected damages and is independent of enrollment. It doesn't matter if it's 100 or a mil: if the damages are only 500$ per individual it doesn't make sense for people to pursue recompense but you can't get away with letting a company commit thousands or millions in damages. AJW is so nonsensical in this that he's not even wrong- he's missing the point.
The problem with progressives is that they want to look at subjective anecdotes to inform their opinions (lived experiences). Whereas ajw is just using statistics, so it seems like he doesn't take into account personal anecdotes that the progs want him to look at.
@@ogzombieblunt4626 bruh. Destiny is pretty exclusive about using data to inform his decisions and being conciliatory about things the data doesn't necessitate being true. AJW spends a lot of time trying to demonstrate how the studies he cites are biased, but doesn't concede when provided a study that controls for the variables he mentioned, and still arrives at a similar conclusion. I imagine he's not reading the data, but is instead getting his info from someone communicating the data. You have to be cynical that the author is injecting a bias, so it's better to just go to the source. Even researchers can introduce bias in their summary, so studies that haven't been repeated are low-validity unless it's an incredible cohort. In this case, the study exploring the race-bias of lenders has been investigated multiple times using a significant population. AJW loses a lot of credibility when he won't concede that the data is in opposition to his belief, but he argues his belief despite it. That's an example of something opposite to what you said, and I would argue that similar arguments (like mask mandates) have a science-based (and now "left-wing") support while its opposition is emotional and unfortunately something the right has Integrated into "right" identity.
@@Biomechanic2010
Destiny isnt a progressive. He's a social democrat not a democratic socialist. I'm talking about people that are like fanatiq or vaush. I respect destiny a lot for his rejection of absolute subjectivity. And AJW was proved right multiple times through his use of the data. Some of his takes on small towns isn't great, probably bc he lives in new york.
Nothing comes to mind on AJW using data for something contentious... was it in the 2nd half? I got uninvested when he was talking confidently about litigation. He was pretty dismissive of the implications of a class-action even being filed, instead of at least acknowledging it could be valid evidence of malfeasance. He had no nuance, and threw the baby out with the bathwater.
18:30 why would Black home ownership be a relevant point when talking about the after effects of redlining in certain areas? Thats an overall stat that surely went up for all races. He’s basically saying that redlining isn’t bad because home ownership went up.?
That's exactly what he was saying
Its such a dumb point. Hes concocted all these excuses to ignore the racial component.
He said that the elimination of redlining didn’t change the rate of black home ownership, not that it wasn’t bad. 🤦🏼♂️
@@Goulash45 but thats not what was being discussed, destiny corrects him immediately after because home ownership can go up and redlining can still be a racist and destructive practice to minorities, they are not mutually exclusive
@@mood1676 Did you even watch the debate? AJW destroyed all the misconceptions on redlining.
44:18 with that argument, how could racism have ever occured?
BS argument from LS, not surprised
A good photographer can use the same camera to shoot a perfectly exposed photo of a black and white person. Training an algorithm to do the same is not difficult with a camera phone or a sensor for whichever product, seeing that since we've been having this specific conversation, we are already seeing progress to mitigate the issues. Any excuses are literally just excuses
On the 1998 New Jersey study, if the high definition cameras cant tell if the person is black neither can the " racist cop" attempting to pull them over
It is impossible to see a dark hand? They act like dark skin is a black hole. There are several ways to do this: Use different intensities, different directions, different frequencies, a different decision algorithm, ...
Automatic doors also open for black people. So there has to be a way to do this. For example, we could look whether the light beam is interrupted or not.
You do realize not every black person is dark skin?
@@dundundun430 And how is that related to the problem?
Do you just say random shit?
So for the facial recognition, it all comes down to a lack of training data.
Lack of interest in acquiring training data*
not exactly.
it comes down to not enough diversity in the testing team.
or they would have caught that massive bug before releasing their product....and they would have avoided a lot of honestly undeserved backlash.
why their testing team was not diverse enough, i dont know....it COULD be racism....or could just be that not enough black people were interested.
maybe their lab is in an area where few black people live?
i dont know.....
Hey oz glad to see like me instead of doing work you are in the comments of a shitty debate. Hope college is good
@@sabin97 fucking physics cannot be helped by having a black perspective. It’s like white people saying the sun is racist because it burns them more than black people. The people who worked in the technology knew it would be less effective on black skin but it was still very useful technology. Having the black perspective wouldn’t have changed anything. Mind you, I’m not against a qualified blacks person being part of the process I’m just against it being forced
@@giovalladares1022
"fucking physics cannot be helped by having a black perspective"
exactly
BUT. if you have a black person in your testing team, the device would have failed IN TESTING.....BEFORE you start production. so you save A LOT of money modifying it to take physics into account.
and you would also have saved a lot of bad publicity from people who dont understand physics and want to attribute everything to racism.
it's not a matter of perspective. it's a matter of physics.
do you understand now? or do i need to explain it at usa reading levels? i think i could stoop that low if you really need it.
give less loans = racism via lack of capital access
give more loans = racism via predatory loans
give same loans = racism via ignorance of prior stated racism.
Fanatiq was awful
As usual from what I've seen of him
And as a black person, it hurts my soul!! I want to root for my people man, but we got to do better.
How the fuck was he awful?
@@Roxkis Wait, are we rooting for races now lol
@@lif3andthings763 How was he not?
Bro what is the point of doing Lauren debates she literally has debated destiny 2020484820 times and has yet to change her mind probably because she DOESNT want her mind changed . It’s malarkey at this point.
Debates are about presenting the best arguments for or against a proposition for the benefit of the audience, not the participants. It’s about changing the mind of the viewer, not the participants.
You have missed the point of a debate. It`s not to change the mind of the debater but the audience .
Just replace the word “racism” with “biases” and LS would be totally chyll.
But actual justice morons neo nazi friend told him blacks people don’t like the cold
AJW just comes off racist to me. He won’t accept information that doesn’t fit his narrative. “I said that they controlled for that” “I don’t believe you “. Instead of “let me see it” like Destiny said.
Being poor doesn’t effect crime????? Omg he’s just delusional
@@pjhaze Poverty isn't as clear the predictor of crime as we'd think. It IS a factor, but it honestly isn't as dead on as we intuitively think. I think the link is quite strong personally, but it's not settled.