The Battle of Killiecrankie and Bonnie Dundee: Jacobite Rebellion or Counter Revolution
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- In The Battle of Killiecrankie: Jacobite Rebellion or Counter Revolution, Scottish history tour guide Bruce Fummey explains the events in the first 'Jacobite rebellion' leading up to The Battle of Killiecrankie and two great songs that followed. Links below to The Corries versions of Bonnie Dundee and Killicrankie.
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Yes! I know of both the songs and their meaning before you even mentioned them
8:19 well, I think it matters little, after all aren’t we singing about him today? On the braes o’ Killiecrankie-o?
Such a clappy song to commemorate a bloodbath. I know the song and also that a new road is proposed to run through the site of the battle 🌞
In reference to the comment about building a road through Killiecrankie battle field....Tell me it ain't so! (Sorry that's a American-ism🥴). Why does everyone have to pave over history? It truly breaks my heart!
Bonnie Dundee is my direct ancestor. We have his cane and the family ring. Thank you for shedding so much more light in my family history ❤ from Canada 🇨🇦
his cane... where could one see pictures of dundees cane?
Would be a beautiful thing if your family might lend it to the people of Dundee to view for a small period of time.
Maybe something you could think about. X
I would love to share the family archives and relics with Scotland. In a heartbeat, but I do not own them. My Uncle being the Oldest, asked for the Cane. We gave it to him and so he now has both. I can however ask.
We might be related you and I. Lance Graham. wouldn't that be a small world?.....From Canada as well.
I'm Saskatchewan, and thru my brothers research, we are of the Grahams of Claverhouse....I would love to reach out. We have family in Ontario and Alberta.
I am lucky that I remember my Great Grandmother. I was born & raised in East Tennessee, isolated in The Appalachian Mountains. My ancestors were mostly Ulster & a few highland Scots. My Great grandma used to tell me stories about history, The Siege of Derry, Enniskillen, & Battle of The Boyne. She taught me traditional quilting, ancient ballads & folklore. I remember that whenever any of us children misbehaved, she wood scare us by saying that the bloody cleavers would grab us & take us to hell. It conjured an image of Freddy in The Nightmare on Elm St, or the "Boogeyman", in my young mind. She once told me that it originated from a religious slaughter between Graham & Dundee, back in Scotland. When I told a Scottish friend all about The Bloody Cleavers, she laughed & said she believes that my Great Grandma was attempting to explain the battle that you just described, but after all that time, many things were added & taken out. I just think it is awesome that an event that occurred that long ago, was still passed down over generations & traveled around the world.
One side called him Bloody Clavers, the other side.Bonny Dundee. It seems political divides are nothing new
God bless ye!!
Superb. Love the presentation style, lack of seriousness while seriously interesting. Sense of humour with some Scottish history. Top chat.
That's what I'm going for😎
@@ScotlandHistoryTours tainted with left wing politics. I then switch off...
@R2 D2 I was tempted to say that your comment was tainted with right wing politics then delete it. Would have been a lark, but it got me curious. It's a while since I made this video, and I couldn't remember saying anything political. I just rewatched it and sure enough no mention of politics right or left. Either I'm missing something from my own script, or you have a very vivid imagination. I'm going to guess the latter. Onwards😎😎
Hello.... My name is David Carnachan and I was born in Troon Scotland in 1954. My family moved to USA in 1959 where I have lived and raised a family. 4 wee ones and 9 grandchildren. I pass on stories to them all about our Scottish heritage. Your U-Tube videos' have given me so much history and presented in such a beautiful Scottish way that I pass them on to my family and others. Thank You!!!!!! Your awesome... I loved your video who can be Scottish and can blacks talk about Scotland. I say there are 2 kinds of people in this world.... Those who are Scottish and those who want to be Scottish... Just sayn... Keep up the great work... I'm watching.
Go on son! Troon is a lovely place
I swear I learn more from your “stories” than I have anywhere else! Thank you!
Yay
I learned the tune for Bonnie Dundee with the words Riding the Raid. Thanks for teaching the history.
Ah yes, I've heard tell
For me, it was 'Looking-glass Creatures'...
I'm an American of Scots-Irish descent. I 'discovered' The Corries awhile back and have become quite familiar with with both songs and they have taken up permanent residence in my brain. I have learned alot from the songs, and your 'stories' have helped clarify the history. Thank you!🇺🇸🏴
Well done lad
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Thank You! (but I'm an auld lass!🧓)
I think I've said, WOW to myself a hundred times now while binge-watching your videos. ABSOBLOOMINLUTELY superb.
😂😂 You're way to kind.... but I like it
I'm an Aussie but love both songs and the way you present Scotland's history.
Ditto this exactly 😊
I got shivers when you said Bonnie Dundee's last words 👍
Remember both songs fondly as parents were Corries fans, I even saw them in concert! Never really knew the story behind them though.
There you go! I'm so chuffed to have given you the background. They're the little things that give me a glow inside and make it worth while
I love the corries and know both songs. Absolutely amazing video thanks
"yer maw!" - priceless 🤣
I learned about Scotland and the jacobites thanks to a french Québec Canadian author Sonia Marmen and her french book series "the heart of gaels". Amazing content, much love from Canada ❤
Ooooh, Je dois l'acheter
@@ScotlandHistoryTours c'est de voir que tu parles aussi le français 😍
Kudos for the Corries plug!
Loved your video, but the bloody Soldier's Leap! We visited there a couple years ago and asked and asked at the visitor center exactly where the battle took place. They were damn cagey on this, but were so thrilled to talk about Soldier's Leap. I guess a murtherin' great battle and massacre is just Tuesday in Scotland, but a guy leaping 18 feet over a rushing river?! Well, you don't see that every day!
😂 I think it's just that everyone in the area's heard of the Soldier's Leap, though the details of the battel itself are less well known
Im starting my own podcast about the Songs of the Jacobites. Bonny Dundee and Killiecrankie will be featured in the early episodes. Your videos are the easiest research i've ever had to do :)
Love singing Bonnie Dundee! Love the Corries 😍 I had some very creative imagined lyrics before I saw them written out, though!
Love it!!
Thank you for introducing a new generation to the wonderful Corries!
Your history videos are great too! :)
In my family history books it’s written my grandfather (Lotta greats) was wounded during the highland charge with lochiels regiment.
Only recently found you, still confused on Scottish history, I’d never heard of Killiecrankie, much less the battle, until, if I can sound oh so American, I traced one line of genealogy back to Killiecrankie during the lockdown. It’s the only village I have found direct links to. It is lovely to see where, if my maths are correct, my 5th great grandfather came from. William Graham, b.1750, in Killiecrankie, died 1816, somewhere in Kentucky. I know his father was also William, but nothing beyond that. I won’t go full American here and claim some link to John Graham, I have no idea, nor do I have some desperate need to be descended from important people of the past, but I do love your videos, and I do wish I had your accent. 🏴
The songs from the Corrie specifically lead me to a life of learning Scottish history, and you sir ,have, yet again gave a short but tantalising insight into the first Jacobite attempt to restore the Stewarts and presented it well.
I may be related to you! Lol
@@amandagraham4254 you could be, lol
@@jmunro-graham1568 Bonnie Dundee was my direct ancestor. If yours too we are distant cousins
@@amandagraham4254 I wouldn’t have thought so my family was shipped to Ulster during the times of Borderer plantations in the early early 1600s, then arrived back in Scotland in the 1820s to work as miners.
Brilliant songs! Absolutely love what your doing. Scottish history has needed somone like yourself. There are some really good videos on Scottish history, but these vids are fantastic and covering alot of topics not covered very well in the older Scottish history vids. Tha ks again
Steven From Dundee
Thank you, and keep watching
I first heard Bonnie Dundee played on the Pipes when I was 12 years old. I was marching with my father at a D-Day remembrance in 1975 in Cornwall Ontario, it was his regimental march. After the formalities one of his old mates came up to me and said, in a broad Scots accent " Cubby Jr 'ey, D' ye ney what cha were marchin' ta'. I shook my head, he sat me down and told me the story of Bonnie Dundee. Sixteen year later I named my first daughter Bonnie.
I am familiar with both songs. My uncle JH Graham was never able to link our family directly to Claverhouse.
I listen to a fair amount of shanties and folk for a person 1400 mi from an Ocean or sea, and I must confess that only one was new to me. That being said I knew not the full meaning behind the lyrics to either prior to watching your videos. Thank you for the content.
I know the Corries and listen to them a lot - including Bonnie Dundee
really great videos thanks
I love the Corries. Their version of flower of Scotland convinced me it was national anthem material
Brilliant love these history videos. Absolutely easy going and easy to take in. Love the comedy aswell.
My kids love these great way for them to learn. More videos always welcome. Half an hour mini series for kids and adults mainly learning for kids
Ah that's great that it's not just old bufties like my who enjoy them
@@ScotlandHistoryTours not at all mate brilliant take on telling the stories, and history, kids have certainly enjoyed your approach to it made it fun and Interesting. Great story teller also an art itself to capture folks attention. And certainly my twin boys haha. Cheers and all best.
I just found this channel... I love it! After a few videos, I start speaking with a Scottish accent!🤗
Aye, that's just voices in your head 😂
i play Bonnie Dundee on the pipes. Only vaguely knew the meaning. Great explanation Great Video.
Rock on!
You inspired me to read Desmond Seward’s book, King Over The Water.
I love your videos ! I am decended from John Graham and I'm also living in montrose angus scotland 😀
Already subscribed, it is one of the only ways I can get out for a walk 🚶♂️ 😉 🙌 👌
Aye Brucie Fummey's Keep Fit Videos
To the Lords of Convention, t’was Claverhouse spoke…
Love that song.
very interested in this whole period - jameson and gunn here. well done on the channel
I’ve just learnt how to play Bonnie Dundee!
Wohooo! On what?
My new puppy likes the sound of your voice. English black flat coated lab. She always sleeps and snores when I play your videos...13 weeks old. :)
😂 I have that effect on all females
@@ScotlandHistoryTours I prefer to say your voice is soothing.
Hi Bruce, I was out for a walk in Seattle listening to the Corries "Braes of Killecarankie" (my parents got me hooked a long time ago). I thought I should find out what this song is about. I found your excellent channel and look forward to seeing your other videos. Subscribed.
Yay! I'm absolutely delighted to hear that I filled in the details, and to hear of your excellent upbringing.
South of Seattle is big Scottish identified people, north of Kelso south of glencoe off Interstate 5 Highland games festival very Year - without Covid
Thanks for the music links.
😎👍
I've heard both songs before - 'though performed by some other group(s). I'm most familiar with (The Bonnie Blue Bonnets of) "Bonnie Dundee" as I heard this one fairly frequently - first hearing it in my childhood (whereas "Killiecrankie" I've heard sung much less - 'though I still recognize the 'Killiecrank-io' refrain: I first heard this one when I was in my 30's).
My favorite phrase: ...There Are Heads To Be Broke.
No problem!
Didn’t have a particular interest before stumbling across one of your presentations. I’ve not watched about ten in a row.
Congratulations on a great series.
I really like how you tie these specific tales into the larger human experience.
Reading History of the Rebellion in Scotland in 1745, 1746 vol1 by Robert Chambers and your video is helping me to clearly understanding the dynamics of this moment in history. Still confused a little on how the Duke of Argylle and Marr play out in this. Thank you for the video. Suscribed and watching more!
The Duke of Argyll and Marr were 1715... and they were uprisings, not rebellions😡
@@ScotlandHistoryTours so the uprisings were a different event altogether that had nothing leading up to the rebellion? Maybe that is where my confusion is. I haven’t quite reached the rebellion yet just loose explanations of players from 1600 leading into early 1700s
know and enjoy both the songs especially by the Corries
Thanks for linking the 'Killiecrankie' live recording by 'The Corries'.
Great song, I idn't knew yet and a great performance.
Rock on!
I knew the songs and who won the battle. This makes it make sense. Thank you
Aye, know both songs well and funnily enough, was listening to the Corrie's sing Killiecrankie only yesterday. Great presentations Bruce thank you.
Absolutely love your videos Bruce. I've known both songs for many years and think The Corries' versions are the best. I wasn’t sure of the background behind Bonnie Dundee, but I had a better handle on Killiecrankie. My dad was German and my mum Scots. Her maiden name was Chisholm and she was proud of the Chisholms' involvement in the '45. Pity we had an unpleasant fop for a leader. Anyway, keep making these brilliant videos 👍
Great video. My wife and I honeymooned there I Scotland. My mother's ancestors are Robertsons and came from there, so we went to see that area. Absolutely gorgeous. Got to see a small highland gathering at Blair, hiked through the area around Soldier's Leap, and generally just enjoyed the prettiest place-per-square-mile I've ever seen.
Love your videos!! You make the history truly come alive. As for the tunes I know both of them very well. Am a great fan of the Corries and Gaberlunzie as well. I am the fifth generation Canadian with sturdy Scots roots in Ayrshire on my fathers side and a Gordon on my mothers side. If this pandemic ever ends and I get to Scotland I will be contacting you about a tour. Thanks again for your great videos.
Brilliant
I know Sir Walter Scott's "Bonny Dundee", as sung by the Corries, the reason why I know it is because in the last few years, my mum, who was in her 90s, had almost lost her memory, but she still remembered a few songs, and her favourite song that she still remembered was Bonny Dundee, and everytime I went to see her, she would break out in song several times during our conversation, and the song would usually be.."To the Lords of o' convention Lord Claverhouse spoke....", used to drive me mad!
Ah, now that's touching
i used to work at blair castle was cool seeing it in the video, i was one of the gardener and groundsmen there, used to love the st brides kirk
Brilliant
You arrre still adorrrable...even more so than before i watched 5 videos in rapid succession!!!
😂😂😂
Was there at the Kirk a few days ago... so much history and stories in that little place, Scotland... one question... I saw his chest plate in Blair Castle and there was a hole just above the heart is... said to be the bullet that laid him low...theater ye think.... visited the leap site also... Olympic leap I might say... Keep it up laddie... a gang pf us were over there for 275th anniversary of the St Andrew's Society of Philadelphia..
Very well done, Bruce👍
...outlines a history full of paradoxical scenarios!
(Even the songs - baith written by Lowlanders, Scott n Burns, themselves undoubtedly anti-Royalists, and surely sprung from Covenanter stock; yet seemingly left with an indelible impression of the Highlanders' courageous Jacobite stand.)
...afterall, the "rebels", win or lose, always end up with all the romance - and the best ballads!
First rate presentation!😎👍
Thanks Ken
Thanx so much. Love what you do
Great stuff! You're telling the story a heck of a lot of better than many modern historians. Yes, I know these songs well so I know good from bad. Just one thing...."Claverhouse" was pronounced "Clavers" in those days! My ancestor, William Lockhart Bogle RA, painted a portrait of him. Keep up the good work!
Sorry Sir, Calvert’s was Not a freind of Clan Lockhart!
@@kennylockhart6256y - Calvert? Did you mean him, Kenny?
Sorry Sir! Should check my spelling before posting! Just saying, that in almost all the larger’ memorials to the Covenanters around Scotland, the sir name Lockhart, appears on almost all of them! So I would assume, ‘Clavers’ would be no freind of the clan Lockhart!?
@@kennylockhart6256 - Well actually, Kenny, most of the Lockhart Clan were Jacobites or at least sympathetic. George Lockhart of Carnwath was the Jacobite agent of King James II & VIII in the Scottish Lowlands and Count James Lockhart of Wishart and Carnwath, the later Chief of the Clan, was also a Jacobite. So, yes, Clavers would have been a good friend of Lockhart of Carnwath. But that doesn't mean that some of the Lockharts sided with the Covenanters.
Fantastic Amazing
Thanks 🤗
I really enjoy your videos. I’m familiar with both songs. As a piper, I play “Bonnie Dundee”, but haven’t learned “Killiecrankie” yet.
Get learning lad😁
Just discovered these videos! Brilliant story telling, thank you!
Thanks Fiona. Welcome on board
My Scottish grandmother from Dundee was quite often heard saying ''up with the bonnets o' Bonnie Dundee'.
I never had a clue what she was talking about.
😄
Killiecrankie by the Picts is awesome!
Not the Corries?
Thank you, absolutely loved that.....
Thanks James, did you know the songs?
Scotland History Tours mum and dad played the Corries every sunday
Well brought up then
An interesting side note to the story is McBean/McBane went on to be a fencing instructor with a Sal in Edinburgh teaching Gentlemen and officers in the use of the Sword, he also wrote one of the early fencing manuals on the broad sword named "The Expert Sword-Man's Companion (1728)" He had a wild life bouncing up and down the ranks usually due to his habit of fighting duels at the drop of a hat.
Love your videos, doing a bit of binge watching, shared on FB.
Good on ye
i'm hooked
We sang Bonnets of Bonnie Dundee at school in Yorkshire in the 50s and 60s!.
Wow😮
I play that tune!!
Thank you
Great interesting video , thank you from Canada
...and thank you form Perthshire😊
Anything about the Battle of Sherrifmuir, where according to the song everybody ran away!!
Quality stuff; how has STV or Netflix not snapped you up ?
I don't think that train is coming 😜
we sang Bonnie Dundee in primary school with the radio programme Singing Together so all Southern Britsh kids knew it in the 50s
McCord descendant here and I lost my very distant grandfather in this battle.
Loved the vid, esp the line about cinq vergule quatre if you're a pedant.
I love your videos
Thank you so much. If you keep watching, commenting and sharing them, then I'll try to keep making them 😎😎😎
@@ScotlandHistoryTours You keep making them and I will keep sharing them, I share them with a lot of my friends abroad,
Good man. Spread the Gospel of Scottish history
Bruce, I think you could use some new images for your TShirts and hoodies. May I politely suggest you use the graphic from this video or the one from the Jacobite rebellion and print them in that all over style. Add in an appropriate Gaelic quote. I promise they will sell. You are terrific thanks
That might be a good idea
I love the song sang by The Corries, I've been to Glencoe too and it feels eerie. I get a cold shiver down my spine not a nice feeling at all, might be just because i know wot happened here but could be 6th sense??
To the Lords o' convention 'twas Claverhouse spoke
E'er the King's Crown go down, there are crowns to be broke
So each cavalier who loves honor and me
Let him follow the bonnets o' Bonnie Dundee
Come fill up my cup, come fill up can
Come saddle my horses and call out my men
Unhook the West Port, and let us gae free
For it's up with the bonnets o' Bonnie Dundee
This is yin ae my fav songs by the corries absolute class
Nice to see a stretch of the River Garry that still has some water flowing through it. So sad to drive up the A9 these days and see that dry river bed winding it's way through the glen. Even sadder the wildlife that was dependent on it's flow and the wildlife that is no more in the area. Migratory fish like salmon and sea trout etc. Oh well, cheaper leccy all round.
Bruce, please do a video on the Battle of Pinkie Cleugh. In my ancestry research I just discovered that almost a whole family line was wiped out at this battle.
Can you drop a line to requests@scotlandhistorytours.co.uk so that I have this with the other requests? Cheers
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Done
Check out "A Parcel of Rogues" by Robert Burns, sung by Steeleye Span, if you haven't already. "We were bought and sold by English gold . . . such a parcel of rogues in a nation.
Enjoyed the 'Welsc assembly' joke. As someone who lives in England, but self-identifies as British.
Know and sing/have sung both songs; competed MSR using 'Bonnie Dundee.'
Was in dunkeild a few weeks ago
Bonnie place
I really enjoy your videos, very interesting and informative. I'd like to see you do a video about Hugh McKay of Scourie. He was the Highland Laird who commanded the defeated Williamites at Killiecrankie and was ridiculed by his opponents who claimed that he hid in a bush while his men perished. Who knows the truth but this same man was, more or less, responsible for the final defeat of those first Jacobites at Aughrim and it was his own personal bravery in single handedly scouting the causeway that allowed the flanking manoeuvre of the Williamite Cavalry. I'd also like to point out that few of the Williamite soldiers at Killiecrankie were 'battle hardened'. The Scots Dutch regiments of McKay, Balfour and Ramsay were a paper tiger. They looked good and were well drilled but it is debatable how many had ever fired their muskets in anger. They had been too late for Sedgemoor and the wars with the French had abated since 1678. Leven's and Kenmure's were newly raised Scots Foot and definitely hadn't seen battle. Likewise, Hastings' battalion, the only actual English men on the field had never seen battle. Keep up the good work though.
Yes, Yes and Yes 😊
There were many in Scotland who were glad to see James 7 replaced by William & Mary (Stuart). James and Charles 2 had been behind "The Killing Times" persecution of the Covenanters so were hated by many.
Of course there are two sides to every story. Bloody Clavers or Bonnie Dundee. Take your pick
@@ScotlandHistoryTours They were tough times and both sides were ruthless to the other when they got the chance.
There was still a Plantagenet heir that got overlooked. Their line is still in existence, with the present heir leaving in Australia to escape the circus of the monarchy.
The poem and song 🎵 now belong to the city oh dundee , bonnie dundee written by sir walter scott at Abbotsford 1825 , was purchased by public subscription in 1940 by the cheif librarian, £ 132. Pounds a lot of money, then , Robert burns, visited the grave ,1787 on his tour ,dundee was scotlands hero , it was written in a cavalier style just before sir walter had his din dins 🙂🏴💙💙
I know bot songs and went to many Corries concerts and met them after one concert
Well done loon
Very good, but where are the songs?
I wasn't going to be singing them, just telling you about them
Three hundred years have passed an the Scottish insults haven't changed 🤣🤣"yer maw!"🤣🤣
Fans of The Corries will be familiar with sings commemorating battles and leaders in Scottish history. An you hae been as I hae been ye wouldna be so brankie-O. Spellings a mystery to me, but that’s the gist of the line from the braes of Killiecrankie-O.
Incidentally, there is, or was in the 1950s a Killiecrankie Inn on the Gaspé coast of Quebec.
Childish I know but whenever I hear krancie I giggle 😃
I know both songs and a bit of the history behind them
I tuned in to hear you sing Bonnie Dundee! Mon the dees! 😂😂😂
There'll be non o me singin on this channel
@@ScotlandHistoryTours 😂😂😂 Nae Dundee tunes anyway!
Have you done anything about the battle of Dunkeld?
No, jot yet
I'm English and I'm not related to Bonnie Dundee in anyway, and neither did my ancestors charge at anyone as far as I know.
We mostly worked down the pit or laboured on farms - drank beer and watched the footie.
Aye, knew the songs. The Corries were part of my diaspora upbringing. However, I understood that Dundee acquired the name 'Bloody Clavers' earlier, from his suppression of the Covanenters - an odd example of a national villain transforming into a national hero. I may well be wrong in this, but I do know of Highland (and even 20th Century Glaswegian) mothers quieting their kids with: "Go to sleep now, or Bloody Clavers will get ye!"
As with all things your preference depended on what side you were on
@@ScotlandHistoryTours True.
The most amazing feat of Claverhouse was to keep the highland clans from fighting amongst each other same as Charles Edward Stuart... Unite we stand!
Knew Bonnie Dundee, but not Killiecrankie. When I was a kid (American) we learned about the American Revolution as if the result was always meant to be, and it was really over the course of many years that I began to see all the places the whole thing had hung by a thread. A man doesn't read an order, the fog rolls in just in time, Hessian troops don't understand a warning from an English Tory. Bonnie Dundee's chance death at Killiecrankie seems to have been one of those moments for the Jacobites. What if...