Invest In Lenses - Why Filmmakers Rehouse Vintage Lenses
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2024
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Why rehousing a vintage lens for video is a great option for many filmmakers. It's not really for everybody, many just want to enjoy these old relics for what they are.There is a growing market of filmmakers that see the value these old optical designs offer. When combined with modern rehousing can really give them the affordable tools they need to realize their vision. At the very least have a hell of a lot of fun, in this video I explain why myself and many others see value in re-housing vintage lenses.
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0:00 - Introduction
0:41 - What is Rehousing?
2:42 - What are the Benefits of Rehousing?
5:15 - What does it cost?
6:27 - Why am I invested?
If using vintage lenses is niche, then rehousing a vintage lens for cinema use is niche squared. Welcome to the quadratic, how may I assist you?
LOVE IT!
Maybe in a few years time.. $$$$
Mark, you've established this idea of sun and moon and came up with lighting that resembles sun and moon to reflect this idea.. how did you come to this conclusion of Reflecting mood or enhancing the story.
Every person is different, but I think many could benefit or be inspired by your thought process in these things.
Thanks for mentioning the subtle colour message. In this times standing for the right cause is important. 😢👍
I figured it would be a little more obvious to some but then thinking many prob don’t know Ironglass is in Ukraine. Figured I’d spell it out. Made social posts about it today. It’s small, but should be stated clearly
Hi Mark, is it a coincidence that the lights in the background are blue and yellow? If not, very nice method of saying something. I like it.
Definitely not a coincidence. Glad you caught it, I thought maybe I was a little too subtle with it.
I only use my Soviet lenses as a hobby/non-professional sense, so whilst it doesn't make too much sense for me to rehouse, I totally understand why some people would pay thousands of dollars to do so. The glass that these lenses were made of may potentially never be made again, and extending the lifetime of it makes total sense. Great video Mark.
Definitely. With all the perfect cameras available it's nice to have different tools that help us realize the vision.
Wow I loved this one, digging the informational videos!
Thanks Dj!
nice vid mate very cool congrats on the set they look fantastic cant wait to see what they create !
Thanks mate!
The only thing I found Mark was that your better buying your lens of choice ie an older Helios lens…
I found ironglass used newer models albeit I had a simple mod a Helios lens…
Great video, as always! They look gorgeous!!!
As always thanks for coming by mate!
That's a great set of lenses there and some stunning engineering from Ironglass. Marvellous advice too regarding the relationship between need, content and style. In today's world, rehousing existing lenses makes a lot of sense and if I were looking for cinema lenses to own that'd be the route I'd go down. I've relied a lot on your advice and opinion over the last few years and we now own a whole host of Soviet, Takumar and Pentacon lenses, often basing purchasing decisions on the quality of images you've made with them. When I was in college shooting stills on film in '97 those lenses we're considered to be the bottom of the barrel! Today, in my happy low-budget world they're perfectly adequate in their unmodified state and cheapish non-L Canon stuff does what I need for a modern look. Thanks Mark and all the best.
Ooh fun observation: I was out shooting stills for larks with my partner. Identical cameras, he had a Canon 50mm f/1.8 STM and I had a Helios 44m-4 and my shutter speed was 1/3 of a stop faster at f/2 than his was at f/1.8. Both very clean lenses. Neat!
Big fan of Ironglass and the work they do for sure! That is super cool regarding the Canon STM and the Helios! It's so cool to be able to shift perspective on things especially in the future. Who would have thought we'd be smitten by those lenses we never liked in the beginning.
Very good content, bro! Tks for making and sharing it!
Thanks for sticking around and letting me know mate. Appreciate it
In the best case I would print (for my own amateur usage) a rehousing with a 3D-printer. But I totally understand the charm (for a pro) of taking old glass and re-purposing it in a sort of second life. Rehousing demonstrates also respect for the technical qualities of a bygone era. I like that too. And the visual uniformity is just "sexy".
Absolutely. There are a few options which is nice, 3d printed, mods (gear focus, rings etc). I don't know a thing about 3D printing, but it's getting more accessible these days.
It's always interesting to see other aspects of the world of photography. I understand that this adds value when you use it on a daily bases in your bussiness. I've seen cheaper cinemod lenses, collectors hate them, and photographers dislike them, so the seller had a hard time getting 100 $ for a lens that unmodified goes for 250$. So be aware, unless you're sure this is your cup of coffee.
Modded lenses are 100% reversable so at least you have that. If you're using these lenses for video then those mods come in handy, not something a photography can appreciate in their daily use and definitely not going to pay a premium for that. Collectors want to keep things in their original form which makes sense, they're about value not functionality. Rehousing isn't a mod just to be clear. It's basically a new lens while retaining the original optical formula, everything about it is different. If anyone is going to invest in something like a mod or rehouse than they're probably fully aware of their intended use and don't even need people like me telling them what they need.
To get the value back out of a modded or rehoused lens the market you're selling in needs to be video focused. You won't find the lenses devalued there, might not sell as fast, but it will sell for asking.
That's my experience with it anyway :) Thanks for the insightful comment Kalle!
Awesome video thanks.
Great video dude. Totally love our rehoused Helios… would love to get the Soviet sisters, but yeah totally isn’t essential, but a great investment either way.
Glad you guys are able to take advantage of it. It was the only home it could have gone too!
I own a number of old lenses, but my favourites are the Taylor-Hobsons and those designed for the Kiev 4, a Contax II copy. The 35mm Jupiter 12, a Biogon lookalike flares like nothing else. I've also seen great results from old Wollensak lenses.
Love it mate, thanks for sharing the lenses you love!
A fantastic and enjoyable video that really inspires.
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@@MarkHoltze Just a thought, but a really really really interesting lens for you to try is the Voigtlander M mount 40mm F1.2… obviously modern, but kind of retro. I got one because I definitely can’t afford a Leica 35mm F1.4, but also it’s a bit tighter and with F1.2 it is super interesting to have subject separation on a wideish lens. Just a thought, but I got one a few weeks back and I’m genuinely amazed.
Well because of you, your channel and all the detailed cintent within it, Ive proudly invested in $1800 worth of SMC Takumars.
Thank you for the education.
Side note the vintage addiction is real and i need help!!!! 🤣😩
I hope they serve you well Mat!
I recently had a chance to check out the MK2 prototype from ironglass for a few days. And it's a massive improvement over the current housing. Some small points but nothing horrible. Hope there save out there.
The moment those are available i'm getting these swapped. INTERNAL focusing being the key factor. My biggest down side to using these old lenses is that barrel movement. They do look great, but thanks for giving your educated feedback on it. It's going to make for a much better end result I think!
@@MarkHoltze yeah you should. This housing although a fun first attempt it's not to standard of current rehouzing. The new one greatly improved things.
thats cool, i never knew this was a thing :) I use vintage lens for astrophotography, but for me its because its alot cheaper then sometimes 10x or more then a modern lens. Like my perfect condition, Olympus Zuiko 200mm f4 I got moudly for $1, I cleaned and rebuilt it entirely myself. A modern version could be over $1000. :D So win. I have a Zuiko 300mm f4.5 coming from the US, it should arrive soon, can't wait.
Olympus lenses are primes that are seeing major rehousing work done on them as well because they're great for video. I got into this initially for the cost savings, but it quickly turned into a viable financial investment for the company to expand available tools to help tell visual stories. It's a rabbit hole for sure and definitely not something everyone can see eye to eye on. I think that's what makes it special though, screw all being the same, it's nice to have some artistic differences.
Just watched your XT-30 review. Couple things. Lots of shots aiming at the sun. I think I fried all my 80's and 90's pocket Samsung and Panasonic 8 meg or so camera sensors this way. Finally the images were ruddy, and no tools in P.S. could correct it. So, wondering about this now with these much more pricey bodies. You know, when you watch these camera bodies use focus peaking on vintage lenses, it seems like a magic act. It would be a tech video, but I'd really like to know how these Fuji bodies do it. Here's a funny thing: I recently got the Fuji 90mm 2.0, and like most of us, tried shooting it around the home. I have a chalky white African mask with black accents on the eyes that's fun to test my lenses on...portrait mode. Well, even ten feet away, I still had problems getting full d.o.f. on the face with the 90. I wasn't happy with the detail, so I mounted the body on a tripod. But later, I put my 16-50 3.5 OIS lens on my T-2, and hand held, just nailed it. And killer sharp. Yeah, we know about the edges on that lens, but you could swear you shot that mask with a 1000 buck lens. Something else to consider, especially with wide lenses, if your final image has an old fashioned ratio of, say, 1:1.37, which is what the extraordinary film The Cranes Are Flying has, you automatically (in post) wind up with imagery taken with the best part of a lens. (Watch early teleplays like the live shot The Comedian, with Mickey Rooney, script by Rod Sterling, and the d.o.f. never misses, and any lens curvature is cropped out on the old tv screen. And if you shoot stills in square format, even more so. Imagine rating all Fuji lenses all over again based on shooting square format.
Nice, interesting video, thanks for sharing.
That brings me to a question: is there something like vintage cine lenses and how do they erform as compared to rehoused vintage photographic lenses.
Generally I find your work pretty interesting. If you'd be allowed to share glimpses into that it'd be pretty cool.
I’ve got a Zeiss B speed cinema lens I’d like to compare that to. Cinema vs photo.
Some people rehouse using 3d printing. This is mostly for budget and guerilla technique stuff where you want to be small, light, experimental and expendable though. Top fun though!
Absolutely, rehousing and even just simply modding with gears and front rings etc. This takes things a step further for sure, but I've got modded lens I love and use loads too.
@@MarkHoltze I just scored a working mechanical double 8 camera today, and a bunch of enlarging lenses. One has a square aperture so that's loads of fun already! :D
Square aperture??? This I gotta see!
@@MarkHoltze Not super rare, check Mathieu Stern's video on one here: ruclips.net/video/le2_0uQuRzA/видео.html&ab_channel=MathieuStern
I would love to rehouse a hilios. But I’d keep one for photography too.
Ya the one thing about rehousing you can’t go back. You can mod them with focus gears etc, easy to put on and remove.
You get a like this go-around for the sun/moon/lame comment, before I'd even finished the vid. Well done. LOL
😆 it’s a long riff on the song from Miss Saigon…you are moon light and I sun….it’s super cheesy 😆
@@MarkHoltze You know that just makes it cooler. Hhahahhaa
@@eyewandersfoto👆my other acct. oops. 😁
Honestly the reason I hold off on the fully cine houses iron glass option is because I feel like I would never use my Leicas if I did. Which do you gravitate to more?
Very fair, I typically package them into the "looks". The properties of the lenses are different enough I would argue you could find the delta between them and use them to gain a more specifically crafted look. You don't need a full rehousing to do that though. I rarely get push back on gear I suggest using, the soviet rehoused lenses would get zero likely based simply on their form factor. Leica has such a strong brand name that if you shoot anything with a Leica lens you'll also get very little push back using those. I had to really push for the Takumar's when I pitched using those as an example of contrast.
I also like mixing looks, shoot say Leica's for a regular sequence and switch to the soviet lenses for flashbacks/flash forwards as an example of how I would use both. There's so much more to consider tho when it comes to shooting so if those Leica's are working for you....keep rocking them. You're hard pressed to find better SLR lenses for video mate.
Hi Mark, I have a question regarding the IronGlass lenses. There are cine-modded lenses for about 200$ and the rehoused lenses for about 1,100$. What’s the benefit of spending about 900$ more on that lens - so is it worth paying that extra amount?
Thank you for your videos and the effort you put into your channel
Greetings from Germany
Hello! First assume that you're not paying for just the lens itself. You could get a regular version of Helios for $50 a modded version for $200 and re-housed for $1100. End result on screen is exactly the same assuming it's shot by the same DP. What you're paying for really is the physical casing of the rehousing (materials, processing) and craftsmanship when it comes to pulling apart the optics and putting them all back together again. Losing the original casing of the lens and basically updating everything else. Modding is simply that, modding the existing lens, rehousing is a completely new lens. Some lenses can't be modified to PL for example, but can remedy that. Being able to adjust the focus and even in some cases improve the focus with a rehousing is also beneficial. Making the lens more versatile and better suited for video (90 focus throw converted to 270 plus better close focus distance than original lens).
Value is very subjective, it's why I was clear out the gate this is not for everybody. The market is growing however, you have feature films and feature documentaries being shot with old glass (rehoused) which not only validates the old lenses and their quality, but most people don't need what commercial film productions need in terms of form factor.
The way I consider it, I factor in what I get paid to shoot, what i need to budget for rentals and time to get the rentals. Also what I can do when I have access to something 24/7 (much better understanding of the nuances and how to exploit them). They're a business purchase so for me they have to be able to earn me money over time and based on the work I do I make my decision.
Gear should be able to pay for itself over the course of a few commercial jobs, eventually you'll start profiting once that gear is "paid off". it's why I try not to comment much about "value" because we all work in differetn fields making different money and what is too expensive for one person may be just right for another. For me $5000 a lens for the Leica R's makes no commercial sense, but spending 6500 on a set of soviet lenses (6 lenses vs 3) is a more viable investment. If i were a rental house i would absolutely get my R's modded because they're starting to get more and more in demand.
Anyway sorry for the long message, hopefully I was able to answer your question .Thanks for the support and the insightful question!
Great video as always! 🇺🇦 Would you consider making a video on the vintage Tokina 28-70 F2.6-2.8 that has the same optical design as a lens made by cinema lens manufacturer Angenieux?
One day! I test what I get ultimately so if I get one; I will for sure ✊
IS THIS WHY THE CANON FD 24MM F1.4 ARE GOING UP IN PRICE!!!?
In part yes. Super rare lens that is being used to rehouse for video. Just found out the Helios 44-2 (58mm) and Jupiter 9 (85mm) rehoused by Ironglass were just used in certain shots from The Batman. Specifically the bat mobile chase sequence. This was mentioned in Greig Fraser’s Instagram story earlier this week. He’s the DP of the film.
The prices for the 24 are a bit cult level, but the market dictates the price unfortunately
Hey Mark! How do you like your 20mm? I got mine a couple weeks ago, shot a lot with it and holyyyyyyyyyy I'm in love.
Ironglass Mk2 will bring these lenses to the next level! Cant wait.
I love it! Glad you feel the same!! Mark II’s on my mind to take control of that focus barrel displacement on focusing. That’s my only issue with using photo lenses as cinema
@@MarkHoltze Yeah internal mechanics is a must. I've been reluctant to rent them because of the extending barrel. With it all internal, no more worries!
They only really cause problems with flip Matte boxes but…still. All internal all day long please 😆
@@MarkHoltze And we always use matte boxes 😁 So yeah, internal all the way!! I'm in the first batch of the Mk2, will keep up updated when I get them!!
Same. When you filter up it just gets weighed way down and that’s just bad for the focus helicoid anyway, never mind a pain to pull focus with. Best of luck mate
Would you prefer 25, 35 and 50mm Zeiss Contax over 25, 35 and 50 Zeiss Classics? I’ve heard these 3 lenses share the same optics from both sets. Which one would look closer to the Leica’s in your opinion?
Ya they share similar properties, but I don't work with classic zeiss lenses, I just prefer the historical significance of the older lenses. So that's a total preference. Leica's look like Leica's so that's a look you're not going to get with the Zeiss lenses ,they have their own specific look. Leica and Zeiss are mortal enemies so they intentionally didn't intend to "copy" one another in terms of look.
Lens porn!! Love it. I totally support your decision to rehoused these lenses ✅
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Wow....I never heard of rehousing a lens. I just bought a Canon C300 PL and want a source of affordable lenses. I want to know if I could buy the outside "housing" just for a few lenses sizes....so I could have some lenses to attach for shids & giggles.
The rabbit hole is deep my friend 😆
@@MarkHoltze I think i just found my source of "rehousing" ...or at least cheap lens knockoffs :) ruclips.net/user/results?search_query=camera+lens+cups
Killer intro.
Wish I could have used the knight rider song but would have been flagged and well beyond fair use lol. FIRE IT UP!
So, how much does it cost to "rerehouse" a classic lens into a classic body? Because you know that's going to be a thing in a few years.
lol, most likely! Whoever taps that market will need to price accordingly, but I couldn't tell ya lol.
The blue and yellow lights behind you. I like to think it's intentional, so… /fist bump/
Totally intentional mate… ✊
Alan from VLFV has recently showed some work IronGlass is doing on their Mark 2 rehousing. Hope those guys are safe in Ukraine with what's going on.
They're making do of a shit situation as far as it looks like. Love those guys so hopefully this will all be over soon. Terrible.
about your tair 135 2.8 video, it seems its out of function, when i thy to watch it, it shows a lot of digital noise and stribes and nothing else ruclips.net/video/Wr16SFvo2GQ/видео.html
Weird plays fine for me 🤷♂️
@@MarkHoltze maybe i need new glasses or computer
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YOU are SUN light and I MOON, remember that song? lol YRCC
@@MarkHoltze all too well. 😂
Shoutout to the guys at Ironglass who are still working in Ukraine even when there's an unprecedented war going on.
Lighting on the lenses at table are intentional and baked right into. 🇺🇦
Ukrainian flag colours used in those lens shots on purpose? They're out of Ukraine aren't they?
They are and yes it was by design. ✊
Great content but I don't see the need to use profanity willy nilly like that.
No profanity. What the Funk isn’t a swear and even less so in WTF format ;)
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