Dutch reporter in Panama, interview with tour guide F. - Kris and Lisanne disappearance in Panama
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 25 окт 2020
- NOS news reportage from reporter Eva Wiessing in Boquete, April 8th 2014. Please check my very detailed and comprehensive blog posts for more information and photos regarding the disappearance of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon: koudekaas.blogspot.com/
Also check out Juan's many and good videos on the case: / @juantarctica
Or his extensive google album: photos.google.com/share/AF1Qi...
All the translated videos about this case I put in this playlist: • Translated videos abou...
This tour guide should be part of the X-Men. He has X-ray vision and he's able to spot a shoe "behind a tree trunk" in a dense jungle under heavy foliage. It just so happened to be the foot of a girl he was supposed to meet. Girls he was so concerned about he went to their house the day they didn't appear for the appointment he claimed to have with them. An appointment nobody else seemed to know about but him. As if he only admitted that incase the girls told other people.
Also what a nice guy to show up at a client's house who doesn't appear for a tour? He didn't even consider the possibility they had a hangover or simply slept-in like thousands of tourists do. Instead he rushed over there as if he was protecting himself while his other accomplices held the girls hostage and staged Emergency calls at the same time to make it look like he wasn't a suspect. Obviously that didn't happen though because Panama declared it an accident and told the Parents to stay quiet about the night photos until after the investigation was over.
So Panama says the girls fell off a monkey bridge and died by the river. Which makes perfect sense that they would be floating down a river all week while calling 911 or 112 every day at specific times. Never leaving a message because why would girls who write in their diaries every day want to leave a message for loved ones? Probably because it's too depressing and it wastes phone battery. Which is why 1 of the phones still had 22% battery left by the time remains were found. 22% battery left after the iPhone was turned on 10 days later for 64 minutes, and then shut off and placed back into the backpack, zipped up, and turned in by a tribe.
So I guess a week later after floating down the river they reached the shore and climbed up an area where it looks very dry in the night photos, boulders around, trees, some mist which is probably from the river they just floated down. Then after they take 100 photos, they put the camera back in the bag, jump back into the river where they are killed. Then a few days later they wake up and turn on the iPhone for 64 minutes, then manually shut it off with 22% battery remaining.
Then eventually after going thru about a dozen blenders in the river, their bones are scattered everywhere but their backpack which they conveniently placed next to a river was in near-perfect condition including all the dry electronics working fine. While a foot gets tired of swimming and hops up a path and walks along a trail until it gets tired and rests behind a tree trunk, which is then later found by the super-powered Tour Guide F with X-Ray vision.
There's just no way anyone in Panama would ever want to harm 2 girls hiking all alone in the jungle. What would men want with girls hiking alone in a jungle with no reception? Obviously all men treat women with respect and would never want anything from them. Especially 2 girls who are tourists and look completely out of place, like they were only there to help children and educate them and they were, as Lisanne wrote in her diary "Naive" in thinking they could handle it.
At least this tour guide gave Kris Kremers' parents a tour. He took a few guys wearing hats who looked very awkward the entire time, smoking cigarettes, looking away from camera any time it pointed ot them. Then the tour guide even takes a photo of them at the end of the tour with his flash on in broad daylight. Which then made me immediately think of the night photos and the flash used. He was even smiling at them while taking the photo, after leading them in the direction he chose. I mean it's normal to take a photo of grieving parents of 1 of the girls you were supposed to meet and you found the other girl's foot behind a tree. He was just very helpful, even more helpful than investigators because he found all the evidence for them.
It seemed like anytime they needed to find evidence, Tour Guide F was there to supply them with the evidence. I wouldn't think much about it if he didn't claim he definitely was supposed to meet the girls the following day, which is why he shows up at their residence as if it's some huge concern of his. He has nothing better to do? He didn't need to run his coffee farm? The 2 girls didn't show up so he immediately has to look all over town and report it? It's almost like he wanted everyone to know he was helping and cooperating.
I can see why Investigators never questioned him. I mean he does seem nice. Since killers are usually the people who appear like they are killers are always the killers, it couldn't possibly be him. It's not like I ever heard people say "He seemed like the nicest guy, I never would have believed he could do this" about any killers. They usually say "They looked guilty as soon as I met them" So this guy definitely seems too nice. Overly concerned and way too helpful with finding evidence in places you wouldn't believe if it was a movie.
Go read his 5-star Trip Advisor reviews ;) it's all written by 1 person and dates back to 2013. I don't mean the one 1-star review that has a lady saying he joked about chopping off her leg. Without being sarcastic I don't even take that 1 seriously, I think the 5-Star reviews are much weirder. They talk about how it's best to contact Feliciano via Whatsapp. After the girls disappear they start to mention how "he knows a little bit of German and Dutch :) " with the smiley face included. Then they continue to talk about him knowing Dutch a few times while then saying he likes showing tourists "hidden trails" and meeting "indigenous people" and his amazing coffee farm. They say he has the best stories! None ever mention the missing girls or him sharing stories about that but just that he has amazing stories and enjoys leading tourists down hidden paths. It says you have to contact Feliciano via Whatsapp if you visit Panama because nobody wants to miss a tour with Feliciano. Why did the girls open Whatsapp while they were missing for a week instead of leaving a message?
I think it's absolutely insane that the Tour Guide and the School didn't get investigated. I'm being sarcastic because it's so crazy to me. It's like not even bothering to investigate OJ Simpson after his wife and her friend was murdered. Whether he did it or not, he was still connected and had to be investigated. Tour Guide F knew way more than anyone else but they give him a pass? The diaries show these girls were positive about every thing even bad days they were positive about, then they get turned away from the School so rudely that they cried about it and wrote about it and go missing the next day? Nothing odd about that?
Panama has the worst investigators on the planet if they really looked passed all of this. Either they knew what it was and didn't want to take it any further because they knew it would scare away tourists, or it was all their first day on the job and it was too confusing so they figured it was most likely they just fell off a monkey bridge and played with their phone all week while swimming thru the river until they could eventually take photos on dry land a week later. "An accident most likely caused by falling off a monkey bridge into the river". I think Tour Guide F most likely knows a lot more about what happened to these 2 girls. Maybe even exactly what happened. Nobody bothered to investigate though.
Exactly my thoughts and I’m only half an hour into knowing about these 2.
I feel the same. The only thing I would add to this already very weird cast of characters and potential Pianista Trail dangers in or near Boquette is this tidbit. In January, 2020 a tribal religious cult that called their new church The New Light of God, was responsible for the kidnapping, torture, mutilation and murders of a pregnant woman and 6 of her young children.
Now, I'm no expert on pre-Columbian religions nor am I overly familiar with the courting rituals of the primitive peoples of the jungles of Central America but.. it would appear that SOME of the indigenous people in these jungles are not only hostile but downright savage and motivated by something other and far greater than their own primal/carnal needs and wants.
Yup. I agree with e1 else here though.. "they probably just fell off a monkey bridge and onto the sharp rocks below. As they lay dead, perhaps a jaguar or a bothrops asper made the emergency calls/failed pin entries on Kremers' cellular device and was also responsible for the 'night photos' as well? 🙄😒
The gang theory made the most sense.
what long and stupid bullshit
I agree he just happened to look behind a tree trunk in dense jungle and find one of the girls shoes ya BS! The chance of that happening is virtually impossible unless of course you had prior knowledge it was there.
The guide knows everything
agree. the locals were also involved
add the stepson of ald guid
@@ramseschadtupang9686 yeah it is all a big conspiracy to kill two tourists, ruin a local guide's life and destroy tourism in Boquete...
stop accusing people
The Guide is not as innocant as he looks....
They need to REOPEN THIS CASE!!
This man needs to be thoroughly investigated. The fact he still has tours going on is terrifying! The
review of him left by a woman is so telling of his character!
I pray that they reopen this case and look into this mans life. The taxi driver was probably murdered to keep his mouth shut...
Unfortunately the prosecutor didn't even check his mobile phone activity back then. So we don't even know where he and his phone were before, during and after the disappearance. Or what other phone activity there was. His place wasn't checked forensically. Some things can not be done again, that info is probably lost for ever :(
@@scarletr.7753 i think they need to get the embassy involved and have their own investigators brought in. This case is farrrr from over!! 2 girls were killed and the killer is possibly giving guided freakin tours!! That is terrifying!!
@@scarletr.7753 the other thing is serial killers often keep souvenirs of their victims bodies. Id be searching his farm.
@@scarletr.7753 i wish there was a way to gather people to try and get this case reopened. There technically was no proper investigation done. It smells rotten the cover up!
Kris dad knows
This guy Feliciano knows a lot more about what happened to the girls. I believe he was involved from the beginning. He has a bad rap, guides mostly white young woman, oh and then he coincidentally finds the boot with Lisanne’s foot in it? He volunteered to go looking for them, was in their room for 30 !!! Minutes,….what did he in their room for 30 minutes, it is very very fishy. I would love to interrogate this guy for a while!
@@forestdwellerresearch6593 Ahhh it's Diego himself! I recommend you to read Nina von Rönne book!
Может быть вводил в поисковике в ноутбуках девушек маршруты Эль пианиста ,ведь Гонсалес собирался их провожать на клубничную ферму и потом на вулкан
@Ron Dale that's what I was thinking...and he ain't coming out alive unless he tells something new about what happened to those girls
@Ron Dale Torturing someone until they say what you want to hear makes any confession suspect.
@Ron Dale just buy them a couple of beer and they will sing. You don't need too much, they are not very sophisticated.
This video should be studied by body language experts.
As far as I know, if a person keeps looking up to the left while speaking, it means he is thinking back. If a person keeps looking up to the right, he is creating and lying. Obviously, this tour guide is lying
That depends if he's right or left handed. It's not quite that cut and dry, you have to know alot about body language to get a good read on someone. There's also Chinese Face Reading which is just amazing. Everything means something, the size of your ears, the shape of the head or even where you get wrinkles.
Another very cool thing is reverse speech. David Oates figured out that we don't like to lie and not only does our body tell on us, so does the language we use. He reverses it and we tell the truth. It's wild. Some day they will invent an app for that and no one will be able to get away with lying!
The interviewer speak with who knows about it.
@@lorimiller4301 Agreed. I have a habit of looking up and to the right when remembering a fact
@@ivanzucconi being who?
They weren't reported missing "as soon as possible." I wish Feliciano's ranch could be searched for the remains of Kris and Lisanne. It's sickening to think I "may" be looking at their killer right here in front of my face giving a bs interview. This is one of the most botched investigations, not to mention cover-ups, that I've ever seen.
Agreed. He has not been given a clear chance to be excluded as a possible person of interest either by the Panamese authorities. No house searches (he has multiple houses), no forensic investigation of his places, no thorough investigation of this man or his son. Just a real let-down
@@scarletr.7753 So hard to believe that the families of the two girls did accept the official reports. Do you know if there have been private investigations and if yes, do you know to which conclusion they came?
@@ganzwatfeines9284 Kris' parens have for years insisted that they believe their daughter and her friend were kidnapped. They do not believe that they had an accident. But after several years of butting their heads against the big concrete wall that has been erected by the Dutch and Panamanian authorities, they have also tried to move on with life. They did hire a private lawyer early on, who has tried to force authorities to reopen investigations and reconsider made stances, but alas, nothing worked. What this case needed was the FBI, very soon after these girls went missing
@@scarletr.7753 Ok thanks for answering. The wish to move on is understandable. I do have a little investigation experience since im a journalist so I really think that if there has been a crime and it really looks like there has been, there are always people who know about. And those people talk. At some point, they will. Thats for sure. It seems to me that there are several people involved so there is a likely chance that one person will eventually talk. If I had connections to latam, I would start an own investigation but unfortunately thats absolutely no region id want to go. Do you know if there is an private investigation running right now?
@@ganzwatfeines9284 No, no private investigation as far as I am aware although there is a man called Martín E. Ferrara O'Donnell who lives/lived around Boquete and who has done a lot of private investigation in this case. As far as I understand, you need to pay money for his findings. But he believes that they were murdered. Unfortunately Kris and Lisanne were not the only young dead people in Boquete that year. More people were found dead, murdered more likely, and some link to this case. In societies were the powerful/violent dictate the rules, talking can be the end of you..
Feliciano searched in the room for the charging cables of the phones of the two girls. He's involved. There are more complaints about this mans behaviour when alone with young European girls. Does he always come into rooms of girls when they don't show up at their meeting? (who checked that story??)
why would he need charging cables from their room? they sell iphone and andriod chargers in Boquete you know.
@@Ts0usermax do you think it is smart to buy a charger cable and leave this trace for the Police?
@@klankie1 Haha! Nailed it.
@@Ts0usermax Stop trolling!
@@klankie1 you can always borrow one from a friend. You can also buy one for cash in the black market. It’s stupid to go to the girls rooms just to get a charger.
This man Feliciano deserve an Oscar for great acting, these people walk and talk with the same murders 🤮💩
@Ivan Brakholonov yes I think the same... All was a show for cover the truth...
Look like canibal 😡
I cant believe they didn't suspect this tour guide.... they weren't afraid because there's many of them
me too.
El Duende
So true
Even if they did suspect him, they can’t search him. They have no evidence connecting him to the scene, so they couldn’t get a search warrant
This 💩 is in the band of trafic 😡50 woman no found
The case will never be solved.. it will just get muddied up... Panama's tourism is at stake here.
Little late bro, this ruined Panama's tourism years ago, not to mention the life of the Guide everyone online is accusing of being a murderer.
@@Ts0usermax Something else many tourists have complained about Panama is the poor customer service.
@rtauz Gertingen dude, there is water all around them. and yes, you can drink water directly from a mountain river. you won't die of that. there is no way they got lost there.
@@Ts0usermax Qualquer pessoa que tenha sã consciência não pisaria os pés neste pais pq além de Kris e lisanne a casos de 24 desapareçimento somente nesta mesma trilha onde as meninas sumiram.
E o caso de estarem acusando o guia na participação ele é bem suspeito sim.
Tomará que ninguém nunca mais vá fazer Turismo nesse lugar maldito.
I find it very weird that he has a flyer of the missing poster in his house. Like a trophy.
Good point. He also started photographing the parents when he hiked the trail with them, which also felt like a trophy.
@@scarletr.7753 That definitely raises my suspicion, as that’s a weird and fairly insensitive thing to do, given the situation. Also, Plinio’s facial expression from 2:39 to 2:41 does not sit right with me, especially in context to the statement from the reporter about how far away the river their belongings were found at, “if you know the way.” Seemed like an odd, almost smug, suppressed chuckle and expression at the “if not then…” I wouldn’t be chuckling at the thought of potential harm that has come to the girls in that situation if I was being interviewed, and it’s very weird and suspicious to me that he did.
@@forestdwellerresearch6593 Okay “Forest Dweller” 😂
@@forestdwellerresearch6593 I know, you need that last word lol
@@forestdwellerresearch6593 Straight up not reading that lol.
The guide is not as innocent as he looks...
He certainly knows more, along with his fellow guides or sons
“We reported them missing as soon as possible.”
That’s crap. Guide F entered the girls rooms around noon and then didn’t report them missing until approximately 7 PM. This was after he learned that the girls had not returned the previous day.
Not even around noon, guide F and Eileen entered their room in the morning of April 2nd. Then went to his farm and waited ALL DAY to report kris and Lisanne missing, finally, at 7pm.
@@scarletr.7753 Idk, but this man has something creepy on him. I just went to this fb and there you can find a post including two young girls and him commenting something like "two dutch girls enjoying the beautiful river" or some shit. The post is from 2016. Man, how disrespectful do you have to be in order to post such a mess!? I really dissociate from false accusations, but to me its pretty clear that he is involved.
@rtauz Gertingen Hi. How do you mean, it's not his responsibility? That comment would only really apply if he did nothing. Which is the opposite of what he did throughout this entire investigation.
@@scarletr.7753 It's feasible that after hearing they hadn't returned, and had not found them in their room or along the paths, that he thought they were just exploring, and did not report them missing until around dusk, which is a reasonable time to consider someone isn't just coming back. I know this kind of delay happens a lot at family/friend cabin/resort get-togethers, when people out hiking come back after dinner. Maybe he shouldn't have waited so long with people so new, but he definitely should have been the center of attention after they went missing.
police should arrest that tour guide! He's definitely hiding something.... It's written all over his face!
I have known about this case from day one. I think RUclips suggested one of the newer videos from 2021 and here I am. I speak Spanish and perfectly understand the Spanish spoken here. I'm also carefully reading the body language from the man in this video. He happens to have had full control of the narrative even before day one when we found out Kris and Lisanne were missing. Here he is seen serving coffee to the Dutch news team and basically sells his narrative with the monkey bridge. This is one of most horrendous crimes I've ever learned of. The corrupt Panamanian government during the investigation decided that the "lost in the jungle" narrative would suit them. President Ricardo Martinelli, the incumbent man in charge in Panama spent time in jail himself recently and his two sons are being held in jail in Guatemala by order of Interpol for money laundering and other crimes. Ricardo Martinelli has been released and I have heard he is preparing to run for office once again. The girls were clearly abducted and then led like cattle through unknown trails to an unknown destination. It seems to me Kris may have been murdered very early after the encounter. Kris's personality indicated she was not shy and might have rebelled against the abductor(s). From the little I have learned and evidence presented, it seems to me that Lisanne was held alive as a sex slave until the heat was too much for the predator(s) and the rest is history. Perhaps she was held at the coffee farm in the middle of the dense jungle. I felt extremely upset when I saw "F", the tour guide selling the narrative to the parents along the trail. I immediately took notice of his machete.
Thank you so much for this extra information and for your take on this sad disappearance case. I agree that thge investigation was seriously lacking in some respects and also believe that these girls met foul play. There is no hard evidence that they got lost and had an accident. A lot does not add up and a lot of people seem set on making saints of themselves in an attempt to shake off (warranted) criticism or suspicion. What a mess
The guide also threatened to use a machete to cut off the legs of a woman he molested.
@@Commander_Cat Just a silly joke, some people say. (Eyeroll). Imagine being a solo female tourist, in your 20's, out alone with this man with a massive machete and he starts touching you, doesn't stop when yoy tell him to. Then threatens to cut off your legs. Anyone defending that type of behaviour should be ashamed of themselves.
You got it right. This is 99% the case, rest God knows best.
yes there is something about the tour guide. it been stated. around the time they went missing. a French couple had been told not to do the hike has. screams had been heard from the track .
For me, this theory is clearly more a murder than a accident, Tour Guide isn't been under investigation which surprises me, maybe a cover-up, those girls gets abducted or even get raped since non of the bodies was ever found aside some small bones like pelvic bone, if the dog could only speak, we know the answer
*THIS CASE SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE MOST UNSOLVED MYSTERY EVER AFTER ISDAL WOMAN*
I heard a great podcast series about the Isdal woman, it was a very mysterious case indeed. In this case we have the added details of the photos and phone records, adding more questions and doubts. Not sure if you have heard about the murder of Sophie Toscan du Plantier in Ireland, also very gripping: koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-murder-of-sophie-toscan-du-plantier.html
*The Boy in the Box* case is creeepý as well
Plinio and feliciano are smiling too much... They knew something...
These interviews are given around seven days after the disappearance, by this point in time the search parties (Sinaproc) have concluded that the two friends are not to be found on the Pianista, and here above you saw Guide F follow that general view - note his phrasing is very precise "you cannot leave the trail without noticing". So at this point in time there _was_ an awareness in Boquete that something strange was perhaps going on.... but nobody there wanted any negative publicity that would give the town a bad reputation internationally. Particularly the guides, who especially rely on tourism and a sense of the area being perfectly safe and crime-free.
The guide knows what happen to them. Whether he was involved or not he knows...
That true i have a friend from panama and they know what happened but didn't say anything
@@amelabidi8686 so what happened?
I’m amazed by how many people are investigating this case from there own homes all around the world. I’ve only just started out and can’t stop binging on the information out there scarlets blog is by far the best I’ve read and covers tiny details that I hadnt noticed or come across. Today my plan is to focus on the guide did I read somewhere he had two sons that were gang members. Maybe they were the boys in the taxi or red truck 🧐
How do you know that the tour guide has 2 gangster sons?
Yasmin sc
I just watched a video from a sensitive woman, who reads the spirits of Kris and Lisanne , and she tells what happened in details there, and the spirits tell that Guide F was not far from the girls ... like, from her reading; he didnt murder them or anything, but he was not far... it is interesting to watch
m.ruclips.net/video/4wqUCG5bxns/видео.html
@@salwaslav8442 thanks il take a look
All tho I kinda of came to a conclusion along time ago. The truth is out there to find and covered up by authorities & locals. and there is a long list of other related deaths
@@salwaslav8442 Yes I also watched it. I'm sure she is right what happened to the girls. Totally heartbreaking. 💔🙏🙏
I believe the psychics. It is horrendous. I pray for some justice, someday, somehow.
This brings a lot of light to the case. Good video👍🏼
Supposedly in the area, businesses no longer allow their tourists to book with him due to his repetitiveness of harassing females and other things they did not mention further, but implied he’s a local problem
I think he knows more then he is telling,but I think he didn't do it alone first he is to old ,those girls were athletic, strong,young they could of fought him off they would have out run him if they thought they were in danger, second the guy who found the show how did he know to look there because everyone including the old man said if the guy wouldn't have looked there they would never would have it because it was behind a tree, then also the lady who found the book bag, the guy who found the shorts.I think they were all involved even the lady where they were stsying,but like it's a small community almost in the jungle they take care of each other,I also think the taxi driver was going to talk, maybe he felt guilty or he thought of the 30,000$ dollars, and what happened to him he drowned a year later what coincidence to me he was murdered. We will never know what really happend.
agree wit u!!!!!
Totally agree
He was involved..give me one second with him.. he would cry for mercy..pussy
Maybe ha had a gun and the girls got threatened and scared so they did what he told them to do!
Agreed
I was walking the trail a few weeks ago. I saw the guide from the video walking there with 3 girls.. i think from the netherlands too. It was strange when i saw him in the videos and also because some people suspect him to be a murderer.
Ohhhh, my god!! He is ferry infolted whit the murderers and ( reapist) ,i think this man took the foons from the ladies to...on the 1 april, and start the cold and feak 112 call's .....
They should use a lie detector on this guy!
Guide Feliciano is the killer. But he didn't do it alone, he had help from other men.
He blinks to much, he's lying IMO.
so who found the shoes knows more as the shoe was hidden ruclips.net/video/TBDm4IY9nio/видео.html ... the guide knows what happened.. photo 508 is( her image.. probably not alive) was photoshopped(corner gils pants does not matc natural a n atural shape( sharp corners) and turned in my opinion( turn at right gives a view as she lays on the ground handcuffed murdered... check the photo yourself by rotating to 180 that gives an explanation possible a killer made the photo .. there seems to be a cross and other symbols ....the photo analist must see all data and enlarge to encode ... watch that cross at the the right bottem.. it seems to be a ritual murder as at least one psychopath there who walks around with machetes and who literally tortures without a flinch. People drowned and were beaten to death in Boquete in the week of Kris and Lisanne's disappearance; this is not merely a sleepy expat village.... the taxi driver and two boys on the bronsoon photo drowned also....
@@StanRams I personally believe the picture of Kris's head, is Kris's head laying on top of Lisanne's head. (Lisannes head is laying sideways.) If you look from left to right you can see Lisannes nostrils, teeth, (her mouth is open) and her hair on the far right (the dark patch of hair) I believe they are both dead in the picture and the killer/killers removed a gag out of her mouth AFTER rigor mortis sat in. Causing her mouth to be left gaped open.
@Witty Witty No I'm not.. I never said he IS guilty. I put out my opinion just like everyone else has. If you don't like it, that's okay too. I have seen the pictures. And the one of the back of Kris's head you can 1000% see nostrils and teeth.
@Witty Witty you'll just have to Google it. I've tried linking it twice now and it keeps being deleted. 🤷♀️
A woman saw them after 4 o' clock,later another woman saw them 4 y 15 ,later the guide Lorenzo saw them may be 4 y 30? At 4 y 39 they made an emergency call , so is this guide the suspect number one? ,or may be in that 5 minutes they found somebody else,
Revisiting this interview is always refreshing, given on April 8th 2014 and the same day/night the photographs on the Camera will be taken, and here is a Guide making a curious admittal that it isn't possible to get OFF the trail, but it is very possible to walk on and on and forget the time.... think on that and you see the paradox - you can't get off the trail as it is so restrictive and defined. But you forget the time and... somehow can''t turn back?!
His suggestion is that the two walked all the way to the river, the bridge. I would have to assume here that Sinaproc *did* walk that far and check the bridges, they find nothing, but exactly two months later the guide leads a party that finds denim shorts just down from the bridge, and other remains and items further downstream.
Two months later. So where *were* Kris and Lisanne in that time?!! You have to suppose that they were somewhere stranded along the river, upwards from the second bridge as this is where the shorts are found. But the guide is convinced that there was an accident here, at the second bridge... why not the first bridge, further upstream?
None of this has sat well with me. But this interview above, April 8th, the night photographs will (coincidentally?) apparently be taken later that same night, just after this guide has ventured his view here on the news that the two may have walked all the way to the river. Because they couldn't turn back on this trail that you cannot get lost on...?
Like his Police statements, it doesn't make sense when actually looked at.
Fantastic work, Scarlet. Even Feliciano says they could not have gone off the path and got lost.
Unfortunately a lot of actual local specialists said important things, such as that these girls could never have stayed undetected if theyw were wandering out there, 'lost'. Or that the river was nothing like the type of body of water you would need to break up two bodies, and at the same time deposit a backpack in neat condition. Feliciano also said however that they *must" have fallen off a monkey bridge, and that is the only story the media and investigators openly ran with. Baffling.
So you dont think Felicity is anything to do with it then ?????
He's definitely the killer.
Hi Scarlet. I keep searching RUclips for updates of this case. Im so sad about the two girls. Im from the Philippines and ive been intrigued with this case for years now. The last information i got was that a lot of people died months or years after the gruesome incident. There were also theories that they were abducted by high cartel organ harvesting organizations.
Hi Laurence, yes it is such a sad haunting case. I update on my blog, in part 4, but to be honest: there are no major updates... Case is over 8 years old and there was some motion a year or two ago, with the leaking of the diary entries, the swimming photo and the nightphotos, but other than that, there hasn;t been much (leaked).
koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/02/part-4-with-latest-updates-on.html
Mad to think while this is being recorded they're still out there somewhere and one of them still alive.
I'm not one of those armchair detectives who says "He did it!!!1!" based on an interview seen on RUclips. But when the inquiry on this case would have been thorough this guy should have been checked, as well as his properties. If he had nothing to do with it, why would he have a problem with that? I think local interests were more important than the tragic fate of those girls and it's maddening. He also said that they reported them missing as soon as possible. As far as i know that's not the truth.
Exactly! He himself has been done a disservice by the Panamanian prosecution as well. If he had been properly checked and cleared of any involvement, it would have probably stopped most of the suspicions and innuendo in his direction. But when not even his house was checked (his houses, I have to say here), nor his lands, nor his mobile phone... Like wth? NO they did not report them missing right away, true. Although this depends on everyone's definition of right away. But the guide and a staff member of the langauge school weere stood up by 8 AM on Wednesday the 2nd and they went into their bedroom soon after, around 9 AM and then it took them till 7 PM to go to the police and start calling the mother of Lisanne. That means there were ten hours in which they did nothing.
I agree he is partly, if not fully responsible. However, like I’ve told others, you can’t just search someone’s property without probable suspicion. You’ve got to find something that possibly directly connects him to the scene. Unfortunately, there is nothing. At least that’s how it works in U.S. , gotta obtain a search warrant by having some evidence of some sort
Love your work, Scarlet. I've read your blog and it's excellent. Thanks to you, and some others justice can still come.
So what can we do next?
There are too many inconsistencies and too many coincidences in this case. The local police did not give the case due care and attention. It needs to be re-examined.. Under International law/ Universal Jurisdiction Dutch police need to re-enter the vicinity of the crime scene, and thoroughly interrogate all key players, in particular one person. Cadaver dogs need to be re-deployed, and extensive searches of relevant dwellings must be re-conducted. We cannot write this one off. Panamanian police must co-operate. We owe it to Lisanne and Kris, and Alex Humphrey, as well their families.
Thanks for your kind message. Agreed, this case could have been helped if the investigation had been done by the book. But it was trashed, especially the part that was executed in Panama. Some things have been done well I suppose but a lot of stuff was either not investigated or done poorly. Crime scenes were not secured, fingerprints were not recorded from search teams, soil samples weren't taken, suspects weren't drilled and their houses not inspected for evidence. A lot of that cannot be redone. Not 7 years after the fact. Then there is serious doubt about what has been done to the SD card of the camera. Was it manipulated and if not, how come the metadata shows that certain images were manipulated? If photo/video 509 went missing, how do we know there weren't more photos or videos taken after April 8th that were deleted by a 3rd party? Why were most of the bodies never found? How come no suspects were found, despite several different fingerprints and DNA traces having been found on the belongings? It is really sad and still some people online and in the media are trying to spin this mess into a successful investigation lol.
@@scarletr.7753 Granted a lot of it cannot be redone. Some of the locals might believe past is the past, however it is not. Cadaver dogs can find remains that are several decades old.
We need to hear from the key players, and they must be cross referenced thoroughly. We need to hear (a lot more) from the school owner, the host mother, all of the tour guides in the area (in particular one) and their respective families, to name but a few.
Many have seen the process of seeking confessions damaging. Using old techniques such as the Reid Interrogation, wrong confessions can be made.
A new method is using open ended questions like a journalist might. Police can identify deception based on 'cognitive load', which can lead liars to stumble, as they try to keep their stories straight - *Think Emily Maitlis' technique on a certain royal*
Presently Boquete locals would be hostile towards more of the usual police-style interrogation, but this is a non-confrontational method. Police would not be going in with a view to 'kick arse' as it were. Basically it's a better way of talking to people. This method would give rise to a proliferation of data, that could be used in conjunction with new DNA findings.
Are you able to recommend to Dutch police the work of Dr. Saul Kassin, Professor of Psychology, Williams College? He or his team could assist. It would be a new way of looking at an old problem.
@@WantonMyth the problem is this: the Dutch prosecution has said/written that they were not leading in this investigation. Fancy way to see they could do jack shit and were depending on whatever the Panamese authorities gave them to do. Which was mostly to look at the digital camera and the two phones. But AFTER the Panamese inspected them first and it also looks like they messed about with some of the digital photos even (see Imperfect plan's latest post for this). Now the Dutch say: we cannot reopen the case. Sure, the girls were Dutch citizens, but it are the Panamese who decide on this. So please ask the public prosecutor from Panama to reopen. No surprise that Panama is not interested however in reopening the case. No, Pitti who has been criticized to the moon and back, actually defends her shoddy work. You see, there is no way this case will be reopened, short of a perpetrator stepping forward, for all to see in the media, and claiming to have new info. I for one am not holding my breath for this to happen. So the only other option could be for unofficial private initiatives to go digging there.
The only way to solve this is to create a financial fund where people from all over the world make donations and thus hire one or two private investigators to go to Panama and find out what the Panamanian authorities did not want or could not investigate. Otherwise these girls will never rest in peace
If the investigators went there, they would meet the same fate as the girls... death...
Maybe they were trying to escape the farm?
My theory is that they were kept on the farm against their will, tried to call for help. But someone (F or his son's) didn't want to release them because they were scared that they'll be accused of assault/abduction.
And when girls were trying to escape they were killed.
Yes. And then there were all the other suspicious deaths, soon after. The taxi driver, 3 out of 5 of the gang members, another one missing... The only ones still happily going about their business are the son and dad
The tour guard was looking up and right the entire time and every body language expert knows that when a person does that, it means they are lying!!!
So true
I think the guide knows something he doesn't want to tell. he's a tour guide so he knows the trail.
Hey Scarlet, I came back to your blog reading the updates and I have a question.
I believe guide F's initial statement was that he had an appointment with the girls on Wednesday to go to his farm.
Can you confirm this farm is in Alto Romero, eg 'behind' Il Pianista?
If it is, then it wouldn't make sense the girls decided to walk part of that trail the day before on their own.
Hi, as far as myself and others know, he has multiple farms. Indeed one in that hamlet of Alto Romero, but also a coffee farm near Alto Quiel, which lies south-west of the Pianista trail. I think the coffee farm may have been that 2nd mentioned one.
Feliciano , mentiroso!!!! Otras turistas se quejaron de que las acosaba, las invitó a su rancho y ellas lo rechazaron...es mentira que iban a ir a el sendero el día 2 , Lisanne llamo antes a un amigo en Holanda dónde le dice que acordaron de "encontrarse" con el guía , Feliciano González,el día 1 de abril a las 2 de la tarde ...por eso, que hallan ido al sendero el pianista el 1 de abril es algo que nunca investigaron las autoridades holandesas, menos las panameñas, todos ,que somos ciudadanos comunes, nos dimos cuenta que lo de la mochila fue "plantar evidencia" ,y muy tontto, porque estaban dentro los brasieres que traían puestos las muchachas: seas de dónde seas ,solo te lo quitarias , porque vas a tener relaciones sexuales voluntariamente,o porque te están intimidando o porque estás muerta y ya no puedes defenderte.
Exacto!!
✅✅✅✅✅✅
"Lisanne llamo antes a un amigo en Holanda dónde le dice que acordaron de "encontrarse" con el guía , Feliciano González,el día 1 de abril a las 2 de la tarde"
Where did you read this?
¿Dónde leíste esto?
@@powerpixie2965 vi todos los vídeos que encontré en RUclips sobre las muchachas, por que este caso en verdad tocó mi corazón, lo que preguntas ,lo vi en uno de esos vídeos, creo que fue Lisanne que llama a un amigo , porque hubo un incendio en un hotel en una ciudad panameña cerca de allí y pensó que ese amigo estaba ahí ,para preguntarle si estaba bien, pero el amigo ya no estaba en Panamá,sino en Holanda, y ahí le dijo eso que mencioné: que quedaron de encontrarse con el guía Feliciano González el 1 de abril ,No el 2 ,cómo el dijo ,y también menciono que sería a las 2 de la tarde, y note muy bien dijo "encontrarse" ..lo que significa que no iban a iniciar con el , El las iba a encontrar ,pues si notas el horario del inicio ,con una foto de Kris ,son alrededor de las 10:30 de la mañana, empezaron la caminata y esperaban encontrarse con el hasta las 2 de la tarde....checa más videos,el tal Feliciano ,tiene 3 versiones diferentes de como las conoció.en la versión oficial El dice que lo contrataron para el 2 de abril, y se presentó en la casa donde se hospedaban para preguntar por ellas ,según él,que porque las iba a llevar al sendero el pianista y en otra versión dice que las conoció en la escuela de idiomas ,y otra,que no las conoció ,que las vio de lejos...se sabe bien que les ofreció sus servicios de guía y aparte les ofreció una noche en su rancho, ellas lo rechazaron, y el mismo se contradice, diciendo que las había visto en la escuela de idiomas, otra ,que las vio de lejos, etc.he tratado de volver a ver esos vídeos ,pero aún no lo encuentro,para compartir esa información.
@@mayagarza3887 Thank you for responding to me. I know the guide gave conflicting information based on what he told the media.
Here is a post I made on Reddit that has all the information I could gather based on Scarlet's blog, YT channel, as well as Juan's and many other sources.
www.reddit.com/r/KremersFroon/comments/k5gq73/update_on_the_timeline_of_witness_statements_and/
www.reddit.com/r/KremersFroon/comments/kc5e8y/there_is_no_evidence_of_a_booking_of_the_tour/
www.reddit.com/r/KremersFroon/comments/ka16jv/information_about_the_communication_used_for/
It is a lot of information, but if you can somehow even tell me what the source of your information was (like was it a video, blog article, news report, etc) I will try to find it.
Thank you for reading.
3:10 "almost invisible?" exactly what I thought. What a coincidence finding a shoe "behind a tree" that you just happened to be walking by. Or you placed it there earlier, and went "searching" with some others, and then you "spotted" the shoe and now you have witnesses with you to back up your statement which could easily be a lie. Same exact possibility with the backpack since he called it in after a lady found it by the river. The reward had just been raised to $30,000 before backpack was found.
Fue después que la familia ofreció 30 mil dólares.
My mother is from Panama, and from the small things she's heard, a common rumor is that some people kill people and sell their organs on the black market.. it's just a theory, but one that I haven't heard yet. Could be true. It would also explain all the other killings and disappearings there previously.
Hi David, yes it has been often considered, the involvement of cartel members. The thing that makes people not convinced that cartel members were involved in this disappearance, is because usually (?) cartels are said to just make their victims disappear entirely. They don't typically fuss about with backpacks and some bones, 2 months after the fact. Cartels are well oiled machines in ruthlessness. Many think, and so do I, that this was the work of local people, who were not that experienced.
@@scarletr.7753 Oh wow.. I just realized what probably happened.. I went thru everything, what I thought actually coincides with what this guy said, which makes the most sense.. I'll send the link.
ruclips.net/video/Rm83TyF7Esw/видео.html
They weren't supposed to meet him. They declined his offer..... so the fact he has involved himself so much is SUS
I still would be interested in why the girls should have put their bras to their backpack? From all what I read and viewed so far we only know that they lived until the last photo at the small river. Everything else could have done someone else. I just don't get what possibly might have happened. If they were injured they would have stayed on the trail or would have tried to walk back. So what on earth makes you wander deeper into the jungle? Surely no accident. So if there was no assault or abduction they maybe ran away from something? Maybe very, very afraid to take the path back because somebody was waiting there? Trying to reach a jungle village? On the other hand I really don't like people to put their finger on a specific person. Guys you just can't blame anybody with the information provided. That's very unfair.
They were murdered..the government covered it up..stay away from Panama..shithole
@@markprendy7291 yeah Panama sucks. No foreign tourists should ever visit that country
If there was am accident and injury then why nota single bit of blood on any of the items or anywhere on or inside the backpack? You'd think theyd have at least some blood on their hands, and then they'd have to rifle through their backpack touching various things, yet not even a drop of blood.
how can they walk back if they are injured? and if they did fall off the monkey bridge like the local Authorities suggest how can they stay on the track if they are stuck down in the river with a broken leg or whatever?
@@Ts0usermax
Yes good point. And they surely would have been found if they were static.
Their is something wrong in this case , the people looks scary😢 even the tour guide
In another video this guy F. Takes Kris ‘S parents up the trail too. He is involved in everything. How come he also then finds a boot and other bones, either he is super human or super guilty and tries to make up this story about the girls that most likely never happened. Some pictures were photoshopped of the girls on the trail. Very suspicious. I would also love for forensic experts to look at F’s body language and facial expressions during his interview and disclose what they think he is really saying ?
It’s a gif Feliziano. He knows everything!
Para mí este señor es o sabe quién es o quiénes fueron los asesinos 👁️👍
He didn’t report them missing right away, he first searched the room at the host families house for 30minutes for god knows why, and then he called the police FIVE HOURS LATER! 5hrs in my definition is the opposite of immediately! FELICIANO NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHATEVER HE DID TO THESE POOR GIRLS! IF HES NOT THEN HE WILL DO THIS AGAIN!
Not just five hours later, 10 hours later!
El guia dice que esperaron el tiempo que estipula la ley para poner la denuncia. Pasa en cualquier pais, no puedes denunciar la desaparición de una persona antes de 24h :(
Cannibalism? We're did you get information.
@@rebeccamayberry8944 I watched a much more detailed “deep dive” regarding this case. If I can find the link I’ll post it.
he killed them, he and his gang
Trust no one
The truth is out there
What time is that local woman saying.. 4:00-5:00pm at 0:10?
Every time I look it seems that the locals are giving a later time of day! Or is she pointing to the sky to say midday?
Hi, yes the eye witnesses pretty much all gave times which contradict with the times on the digital photo camera. Initially police thought therefore that Kris and Lisanne were much later on that trail, but later that was corrected. As for the witness statements: they were mostly cast aside. I keep the option open however thast Kris and Lisanne did return from their hike and were then seen by witnesses and that they made it to a swimming spot (Caldera) where things went wrong. But this is another theory altogether
@@scarletr.7753 Yea I've been kind of playing with this idea too, but they'd really have had to race back for this to make sense.
But maybe they did, because it was mostly downhill on the way back, still the timing would have to be really tight. There'd probably have to be a car waiting to pick them up to race them to the other location and then immediately call 911 once they got there.
But then that wouldn't make sense if people saw them in town. Unless they stopped off to pick up supplies or something..
That's the thing about this case, there are so many theories that could potentially be true, depending on what data you focus on..
Feliciano Gonzalez did it.
He would also take some of his clients to a three day trek above and along the same route of El Pianista towards some indigenous tribes. These girls also carried the same trek further where they can be seen in their last photo of 1st April.
Now the major point is Feliciano has 2 personal property on that 3 day trek route which was used for a night stop for his clients on that 3 day trek.
No one knows about it.
This is confirmed by a 30 year old lady who stayed with his husband next to Feliciano as they rented his sisters house.
Feliciano would never like to disclose or talk about those property.
She have written a book in Spanish.
My comment is getting deleted if I write the book name for some error or specific words.
I will drop it in the reply section .
BOOK NAME : "Ne t'en fais pas, nous sommes amis..." - Journal d'une rescapée - Sur les traces d'un tueur en série : enquête sur la disparition non élucidée de jeunes femmes au Panama -
TRANSLATED NAME : "Don't worry, we are friends ..." - Diary of a survivor - In the footsteps of a serial killer: investigation into the unsolved disappearance of young women in Panama -
Yep. Check out my review of that book here: ruclips.net/video/MLOLgaPLNTU/видео.html
And here in writing: koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/summaries-and-analysis-of-some-books.html
@@akbarpashtun 👍👍👍👍👍👍
@@scarletr.7753 Yes, through your blog only I got to know about it all.
He nos something
Hi scarlet where did u find the videos
Hi, these videos aired on Dutch TV at the time. I downloaded them and added English subtitles.
@@scarletr.7753 oh thank you is there a way I can find them and a whole bunch more of videos of Kris and Lisanne
@@LandonAdamson I have them here on my channel with subs. And Juan has a huge google album with everything case related, including all the TV programs: photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOaDcK-zyudR_UXP4xNvvSpKhbEUNHFkl1cvaGaZrvkiKqkgSL0BK5mjUL2SGcDjw?key=UjkzUHpsRmtLNUc2RlphdjVTWHRZSVEySjNYS0NR
Tour guide killed them
He doesn't, but he knows everything.
@@polyb482 he found bone with no animals scratches on it and no marks from rocks in a river.
He found the cameras and plastic sunglasses in mint dry clean condition after months in a jungle.
My theory.
He asked them to go on a tour with them and sleep over at his ranch in the jungle.
They refused, which drove his obsession. He his son and other people raped them. They buried the bones in fertilizer from his coffee plantation.
Once lots of search parties involved he ditched the bag, contents and a couple bones to throw off investigators.
His multiple properties were never searched by cadaver dogs.
Police covered it up because it will kill the tourism industry and the third world will become a 4th world country if tourists found it serial killer rapists are there.
The taxi driver was murdered, and two guys who swam with the girls were murdered.
Definitely i think so
Definitely
@@JaredDeinlein Can you shared a link related about the taxi driver and the two others death?
plinio montenegro is one of them
Seriously what is his purpose for killing them? He didn't take their belongings
0:46 THE FIRST KILLER 1:57 THE SECOND KILLER..
Sup Scarlett the more I watch this I feel like the Panama police didn't give 2 fucks about finding the truth. They just threw the case in the 'couldn't be fucked basket" I mean the tour guide went way off trail and miraculously found bones stashed behind a tree? The searching parties didn't look very hard it seems
Scarlett there's a new video released today from a channel called Backpacker Coach. He has a different version that you might find interesting.
They need to go to tarod reader so they will know what trully happens
may everything solve as soon as possible , we know its not an accident .
Scarlet R, I was hoping you could answer another question for me. I heard that some guides have identified where the nighttime photos were.
Do you know the distance from the place of the nighttime photos to the town?
The place of the night photos has never been identified. Nobody until this date has been able to pinpoint it to a specific place, and provide the visual evidence of it. These night photos have very generic natural elements to them (V-shaped tree, a specific patterned rock) but they have never been found. Some tour guides have said off the record that they believed it to be the location of one of the cable bridges, behind the Pianista trail, but this is highly unlikely for a multitude of reasons, not least because those places were searched and frequented by others in the days and weeks past and Kris and Lisanne weren't there.
@@scarletr.7753 Scarlet R., Juan doesn't believe the women were even on the trail on April 1st, and he states there were eye witnesses placing them in town. But I have heard others stating the eye witnesses confused the last day of March for April 1st. Also, there were witnesses who claimed to have seen the women begin the trail on April 1st. Do you have an opinion on the subect? Do you think the women were on the trail? If they were on the trail, do you think they ever made it back to town?
@@arnolddonaldson7129 Hi Arnold, there have been multiple eyewitnesses who saw and spoke to the girls near the start of the trail between 3 and 4 pm on April 1st. Or so they claimed. People tend to dismiss whatever case detail or testimony doesn't match their preconceived theory about what happened. But it is just a very messy, all over the place case due to poor investigation work, lots of omissions in the case info, witness statements all over the place. The times of the calls and the photos could have been easily manipulated in theory, sicne we know for a fact that Betzaida Pitti and her team altered, rotated, brightened and photoshoped the photo originals (!) on the memory card on June 17th, before sending them to the netherlands for the prime investigation which they delegated to the Dutch. Such grave errors... it opens the door for all sorts of unorthodox theories. I think personally that they were on the trail but that they returned and that the summit photos (blue sky with tiny clouds vs very clouded sky) were not taken seconds apart as it seems now, but hours apart. That they returned and went swimming (swimming photo) and were kidnapped afterwards. That theory has some holes like every other theory (including the accident theories). It is just unfortunate that we don't have all the facts so we can come to the one and only right theory more easily.
I wish this case could be reopened :(
The guide says at minute 3:36. of this video that if you fall into a raging river of water you will no longer be able to get up. But he is wrong because apparently the young women did get up, because they made calls for help. and from the turbulent water no one can make a call. So there's little chance they fell into the water, but that's what the guide wants us all to think,
There is convincing evidence to refute the theory of an accident or that they were eaten by cannibals. And this proof is that both accidents and cannibals do not know how to delete photos. 2 plus 2 is 4.
@Witty Witty I believe that dangerous people are like you, who do not accept the opinion of others. There is no worse blind than the one who does not want to see, nor worse deaf than the one who does not want to hear. It's just my opinion, which I suppose is just as valid as yours.
Feliciano👁️
Abran el caso!!
Just three days of not eating, not drinking, this body is weak, what else is up to seven days in the forest and what else is a woman. Just imagine
What about the Taxi driver, who was killed after this! Maybe he knew what happened to them and someone decided to kill him. :(
El guía resulta muy sospechoso
Looking this video i saw Plinio Montenegro the other tour guide…in one video of possible abductions and theories of what heappened to the girls, the guy of the video said that Plinio could be involved too with the gangs of 5! By the way i text with a guy who lives 10 minutes from Boquete and he said me that some people from the area argued that the night photos were taken near the caldera river…!!
0:32 Like Waldo, hiding in plain sight.
Qué pena están enfrente en una foto del bosque se ve claramente un dedo con pelo cómo el del guía.🤔
scarlet R... did u red Feliciano´s post on his facebook account?..thats creepy asf.
No? What did he write?
They're all in there, all of them!!! The Hostel family, Feliciano, the farmers, all!!! The host family knew exactly where the girls wanted to go and when! Then she grabbed her phone and whistled! And there are the perpetrators and Tadaaa "Hello"! Either with Feliciano or he was there to kill! But he knows what happened and that's exactly what happened! Who knows what they had to experience before the machetes or rifles put an end to it!!! Cruel... I hope they have found their peace, but in murder it is such a thing! Justice, etc.!!!
Feliciano took a picture and laughed
Most of the perpetrators are now dead! Except for this guy! he has somehow escaped vigilante justice!
dissapearened juan 's tube what happend?
Hi, yeh unfortunately youtube's 'community guidelines' has struck again :( From what I heard from Juan, he had the same issue as i had with youtube just erasing his channel and content, with some vague justification about 'violating community guidelines'.
He is online now here: www.twitch.tv/juantarctica
Thank you
The fact that the dog made it back home could mean that from the last location where the photo was taken, the two girls headed back and maybe somewhere along the trail back or when they've gotten out of the dense forest, they've encountered someone (third party/the missing link) who might have convinced or worse have abducted them to go somewhere else and that's where all the mysteries kick in. That answers the question why their remains were found 5-10 miles away from the pianista trail and all those mysterious photos were taken at. Someone might have tried to unlock the phone and same person who deleted some of the photos in the cam. In conclusion, they were murdered. And the guide who knows the place could be the culprit and I believe he's not alone when he did that. He should be investigated.
I believe tour guide murdered them
at 2:35 the guide says the river is 2 days travel. That is not true, on the lost in the wild episode they make it to the first monkey bridge just after 7am on day 2.
There is also the gps co-ords from Jean-Claude Latombe on Scarlet's blog that shows how far he hiked in 8-9 hours and that it is well past where the demin shorts were found.
There is also the possibility that this guide means at the time of this interview it would take 2 days to hike because of conditions.
Why does guide Plinio smile and smirk after saying "The river where their belongings were found, lies at approximately 2 days distance, yes if you know they way, if not then... "
Why hasn't Tito been arrested?
Minha conclusão:
O guia Feliciano está envolvido na morte de Kris e Lisanne.
Está mais do que claro isso.
Ese Feliciano es sospechoso , pero que va , todos callan
Él está cubierto en el último podcast. Pero debido a que la fiscalía panameña se NEGÓ a investigarlo a él oa cualquier otra persona, no nos queda más que preguntas. Y comportamientos extraños. Pero ninguna evidencia. Ni siquiera sabemos si este guía estaba en el sendero Pianista el día de la desaparición. No sabemos qué graba su teléfono dónde. Su paradero. Sus búsquedas en Google. Nada.
The key to this case is Photo 509.
Feliciano oviously lied
He killed them
This guys a huge suspect imo!!!
Pray for them please
tour guides the killer...
Or a jaguar maybe
I am alone in this one: I don't think F has anything to do with it.
I agree I think. And pretty sad if we are right and he is still getting so much abuse online and on his FB page.
@Witty Witty well this is no place for your personal issues. Someone broke up with you or divorced you? 😂 Maybe men shouldn't have spent history raping people.
According to the latest info from Jeremy Kryt's podcast, guide F. was not the perpetrator but he did cover up for other people. That seems the most likely explanation to me as well, because it is clear that he placed himself fair and square into this investigation (and in front of the media cameras) from the word go. Steering all attention to these monkey bridges and towards an accident. What was he doing all that time in their bedroom on April 2nd though?
Je kan duidelijk zien naar wat voor tijd deze getuige wijst op 0:12 seconde... De hand gaat gestrekt recht omhoog, duidend op 12 tot 13:00 middag zon, dus die 16:00 onzin kan zo de prullenbak in, als we ook kijken naar de camera foto's van die dag. Dit sluit aan op een mogelijke taxi chauffeur met een tijdstip rond 12:00 en het vertrek van af de taalschool in de middag. Tijdspanne van 11:30 tot ik schat 13:30 op de berg de Mirror. Mogelijk dat de dames de heenweg tot op de berg in 90 min klaarspeelden, zonder rust maar met enkele foto momenten. Groenteboer verhalen met een zieke Lisanne zijn vermoedelijk van 31 Maart en niet van 1 April.
I think 🤔 the landlord of the unit they rent are something strange 🙄 and knew exactly what happened to the two woman or maybe involved.
There’s more people that disappeared in this area too
The United States Invasion of Panama, codenamed Operation Just Cause, lasted over a month between mid-December 1989 and late January 1990. It occurred during the administration of President George Bush. I guess Panamanians then began to think all white people were trash and had to be exploited, robbed and ejected. The debacle of arresting Noriega was televised world wide. This may be the movie, "Noriega: God's Favorite", but I was watching a movie with an actor portraying Noriega. He would say things like, "OK, I'll be your indian, I'll do what you say." Indicating that he was taking orders from someone else. In this movie Noriega says gringos are "sick in their soul" because they use so much alcohol and hard drugs including pot.
Someone should be able to get him to talk! Cadaver dogs on snd near his properties might find something. Millions of us around the world believe that it was foul play!
They should have sent the cadaver dogs back in April of 2014 :( They should also have gone through his phone, his call history, online search history and see where his phone was during those days. But nothing was done and now it is all too late for those sort of forensic investigation...
Did the girls really go hiking without a gun for protection? What were they thinking?
It is very difficult for western girls on holiday in Panama to purchase a gun, illegally. In the Netherlands guns are also illegal. But I agree with you that one should never go out hiking in the desolate wild alone without a gun, I certainly am always prepared.
His the killer and he killed the taxi driver to cover it up before he exposed it
Apparently there was a red flag concerning this guy prior to Dutch girls situation, he made unwanted move on one of his female client year before that. It is documented on reviews. Besides he wasn't alone on his in my opinion , he must have tiped off other tribes in jungle,specially once they know there are North European girls in area. Dinner is served, all planned and executed..Whole world knows in remote areas lime here, CANNIBALISM exist.fact