Winkowski 10" setup
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- After riding mostly 8,5" decks throughout the summer, standard popsicles and a few shaped ones, I decided it would be time to ride a wide board again. I'm not much of a technical skater, so this will work for basic flip tricks and everything else I skate. The design of the deck is amazing (as Erick Winkowski himself), so is the shape and two different wheelbase options, as well as the concave Santa Cruz pressed into it. It's also a PowerPly deck, which means it's "chip resistant" or better against chipping than regular decks. I went with Indy Mids, just to try them out and see if they're any good.
The rest you know - here comes the setup list:
Deck: Santa Cruz - Erick Winkowski - "Birdcage" shaped, 10"
Wheelbase: 14,5" / 15"
Trucks: Independent Mids, 159 (52 mm tall)
Wheels: Spitfire Conical Full, 56mm, 99A Durometer
Bearings: Bronson G3
Hardware: Thunder 7/8" allen key
Griptape: MOB Grip 10"
All parts sourced from local skate shops. Many thanks as usual to Ponke's and Lamina in Helsinki. They didn't sponsor anything - I just appreciate them and their crews!
Ponke's the shop:
www.ponkes.com/
Lamina:
lamina.fi/
I often get comments from you guys asking for tips and advice on your own setups - keep them coming, I'm glad to help and discuss. For easier conversations (YT comments are a bit annoying for that), find me on IG via
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First impressions of the setup:
Feels different, but sick! Changing board shapes / sizes and new trucks especially always feels odd to begin with, because your muscle memory gets a bit confused by how the pop, flick and turn changes. About the deck I can say that the tail feels oddly amazing, meaning that the double kink really cradles the back foot and allows it to lock in nicely. The pop feels weird at first but I’m getting used to it. The nose is pretty flat, but because I’m pretty basic and hardly do any Nollie tricks - that’s fine. It’s big enough for me to do nose manuals, crooked grinds and nose slides. For basic flip tricks the board works well, luckily I’m not a very technical skater though, because that thing is wide. I love the wider shape in the front of the deck, as it allows me to lock into the concave nicely with my big feet. The concave of the board definitely does some magic on such a wide board.
Now to the trucks. The Indy Mids definitely feel different than my regular Indy Hollows or Titaniums. They feel a bit less turney if that makes sense. Maybe I just have to break them in a bit more - definitely not disappointed so far. Adjusting the bushings was a bit annoying, as you can’t see how far you’ve screwed the kingpin in, a lot of trial and error as I mentioned in the vid. The height did not affect my riding much and even though I ride 56mm wheels on the setup - I did not get crazy wheel bite. If anything it’s the same as with hollows and 55mm wheels. The conical full’s are a dream to ride btw. 99A is just the perfect durometer for me and the wider contact patch gives you grip when needed.
All in all - I really dig this setup although it took a minute to adjust, which is normal for new dimensions. I will definitely shred this one good!
That grip job is outrageous
Thank you 🙏🏻
Imo this is the nicest santa cruz deck such a cool graphic and shape
Love my Winkowski! Great video, keep it up!
Love seing new post bro! That thing looks epic!
Appreciate the love - thanks!
Cruz missile 2 concave is by far the best on the market, (my opinion), it's been out since the 90's and feels so perfect to me. I have a creature deck that has the same concave, very cool!!!
It sure is one of the greats. The way the concave makes a 10” board not feel too boaty and heavy is nice!
My uncle has this exact board, and he's making me one so this is really cool to watch
That’s sick man - I hope you enjoy it as much as I did! I already search for the next Winky deck!!!
Looks to me like the 169's would fit a little better. I run a 60mm wheel with an 1/8" shock pad. Like you, I also prefer the harder black bushings. No problem with wheel bite.
I wanted to try the Mids and Indy only make these up to 159. 169 would of course also fit, although they would stick out on the rear a bit. The most narrow part is pretty much exact 8,75”. Since the Mids are by far Indy’s heaviest trucks atm, I might switch them out for my 169 titaniums! But as you said, harder bushings, maybe a riser - wheelbite is no problem!
@@MarcoEckhardt Have you noticed a difference in turning between Indy 159s and Indy 169s? I have several sets of 159 forged hollows and a couple sets of 169 hollows and for unknown reasons the stock bushings on the 159s seem way looser. I don't know why, but, 159s just seem to turn a lot better for me. If you like tighter trucks, then, maybe you haven't noticed. I even switched the bushings on the 169s to soft and then super soft, but, neither of those seemed any loser than the stock ones. I got some Stage 4 166s and those seem better. Was thinking of trying the 9" Aces, but, their pricing seems a bit ridiculous (for the AF1 Hollows). It just seems like they are over charging. Not that I can't afford it, but, it sticks in my craw.
@@idmhead0160 don’t really notice a hige difference, but I also don’t ride stock indy bushings ever. I’m jow using the black indy bushings (94a) in most of my trucks, and in the 169s I tend to use the yellow ones, all feels good tbh!
Great vid! Love to see more :)
Appreciate you! I’m doing those almost always when I set up something new, it’s almost like meditation to me 😅
Looks bad ass! I’m digging the grip tape job!
Thanks man! Love getting creative with the grip!
I bought the wink aquatic board 10 inch with 159 indy titanium and Bronson g3 bearings with !! And here's the curve ball I put oj nomad 54mm 95a on it. Trust me once u try these wheels on this setup you will be amazed. I put y elite 99a 54mm in as another test and although I also love those wheels on my pop deck they didn't feel as amazing as the nomad 95a on the wink board.
Are you a mind reader man? I was lucky enough to snag not one but 2 Winky aquatic night decks this week and will set one up after the other 2 decks I have ligned up atm. This time with the 159 8ballr Indy hollws, Bronson G3 and the 56mm Eric Dressen elite hardline 101a. Loving those wheels so far.
Can’t wait setting the next Winky up!! Video coming for sure!
Your setup sounds sick btw!!
@@MarcoEckhardt I managed to get 3 aquatic boards and 1 volcano board all same design. Love riding them. The nomad 95a on them are a real eye opener though
@@leeshobbyheaven3307 gotta get mysef a set sometime - 101a is fine for smooth grounds, but elsewhere they rattle the fillings out of my teeth 😅
Love the shape. Hate all the boring DBL pop these daze...OG decks ROCK!
Hello. Nice setup. wow. you´re about 2 meters tall... me too.. some issues finding shoes and clothes i bet., , will being checkin in in the near future.
So sick, congratulations
Loved this setup!!!!!! And love Winky!!!
What a sick setup so jelly.
I have the same wheels! I feel that 56mm conical shaped wheels are the best all around (street/transition) skateboarding wheel!
They are a great all-rounder for sure! I feel like they lock in well and since I‘m not doing too much technical stuff, the width and weight don’t matter as much to me. I also really enjoyed 55mm Lock-ins.
lovin my deck for bowls. tail feet locks in, wide, awesome gpx
I feel with shaped decks it's good to size trucks corresponding to the smaller width of the deck. Mostly with the rear, tail side.
There is for sure some truth to that. But also, as long as they don’t stick out or at least not so that it bothers you while skating, it’s usually fine. Always a preference thing.
This Winkowski shape fits easily 159 and 169 (currently I’m riding on the same shape my 169s).
I like 59 wheels with risers on my old school cruisers and the hardest bushings I can find because Im 220lbs and prefer a stiffer ride.
You should make a wall clock out of one of the broken decks
It’s on the list! Check out what I do with old decks on my Instagram: @eckhardt_wood_art
Dope set up.
Hi bro...! Awesome vid..what do you think about a 10 ' x 31' on 149s indys?? I know it sounds crazy but it will be possible just for cruising???
Hey! Thanks! Yeah that’s possible, but iI would throw wide cruiser wheels on those, possibly even with some offset so they match the total deck width a bit more - longboard / cruiser wheels should fit well, there are plenty.
I think I'm gonna use some Xmas money to get a setup like this except I prefer standard indys
U got your hands on this lucky guy
Loved every second of riding this. If I can get my hands on another one with this shape and concave I’ll jump on it asap!
I want to get that shape for a cruzer and some slappy sessions
Can you put on some Indy 169's on, or Thunder 161's and test the feel of that compared to the 159's, all else the same?
I actually did put my 169 titaniums under just to ride a session and see if it’s any different. The only difference was the weight imo. 169 titaniums are SO MUCH lighter than those 159 mids. The mids are in general heavier even when compared to 159 standards. So the board felt a bit lighter for sure, yet it didn’t make a huge difference since I’m not able to do crazy technical stuff on such a wide deck! The width increase is really not noticeable, especially with such wide wheels like the conical fulls!
Me! Hollow 159 indys 8.75!! Perfecto!!
Wasn’t feeling the mids too much and put my 169 titaniums on, which fit great and ride like a dream. Before I rode 159 forged hollows, also super sick. Depending on the size deck I wanna ride I’m switching between 159/169. Hollows are great and when I have the extra cash, titaniums are even better 🙌🏻
Indy did have a low coming in at 48 mm and these mids at 52 mm are what Ace ( Indy stage 3 basically we’re) nothing new , rather ride Ace myself loose and carvy
I have a 10.5" with 215's do you think my 215's will be to big its only half an inch smaller than my board now
It’s always up to your preference tbh. 215s should fit nicely on a deck that’s 10,5”. Depends also always a little on what / how you like to ride or plan to do with the board. Boards in the range of 9”-10,5” can be fun with basically anything from 159 to 215. Deck width does not always need to be exactly matching with the axle width of the trucks - there is definitely some wiggle room depending on what kind of board feel you enjoy. I actually swapped my 159 mids to my 169s on this Winkowski setup. I generally love wider trucks - I ride 159s on my 8,5” popsicle boards because it feels nice!
madness also has the same kind of board. not as shaped as the first winko but still old school. more possibility with the nose.
Yep - I really like those designs, bigger boards with shape but still more useable than for example one of the old Powell decks.
@@MarcoEckhardt did you get big wheelbite with the 56? I also see a pranayama in the background, man you have every kind of board set up :)
@@mulldriftyr Tbh I haven’t tried yet :D I built the setup yesterday and will go skate probably tomorrow. I’m expecting some wheelbite, but not terribly much, as I’ve ridden 55mm wheels without risers on Indy hollows a lot and it’s definitely manageable, especially bc I ride my trucks tighter and with hard bushings. Yeah...I ride basically everything that has 4 wheels on it. Each board is fun in it’s own way. I love my cruisers, mini cruisers, various longboards etc. Everything is better than walking :D And yes, I’m too old and soft to ride my normal skateboard to the park, because the hard wheels would make the fillings fall out of my teeth - that’s why I ride a longboard around town!
Did you just use the wholes that already on deck with trucks as my Indy’s have the 6 wholes wondering if should set them diff on these shaped decks
This deck has the new hole pattern, so you have to use the “inner” holes on your Indys. Only old decks from back then have the actual wider hole pattern and maybe some re-issues nowadays.
This one has 2 WB options in the front, but the distance of the holes are just the standard modern hole pattern.
@@MarcoEckhardt thanks man
Did you double drill the bolt patterns on the nose? If so what are the two truck sizes you can do?
What shape is that called? I only know of hammerheads and pigs.
Don’t know if the shape has a special name bjt it’s the “new” Erick Winkowski shape with a little bigger nose and two wheelbase options (14.5 & 15”). It has the “cruise missile 2 concave”.
This Board is soo nice...sadly its not available in germany. But the old shape is also nice...love it...
Letztens habe ich noch eins gesehen bei mir im Skateshop um die Ecke. Ist aber leider hier in Helsinki. Ich glaube Titus und Sickboards hatten das Deck auch, sind dort aber immer super schnell ausverkauft! Die shape war aber echt geil zu skaten - würde mir definitiv mal wieder eins zulegen.
@@MarcoEckhardt hat der Shop zufällig einen Online Shop?
@@dirkP38448 Klar - such nach Ponke‘s the shop in Google und check ab und zu mal ob sie was haben. Leider scheint aktuell nichts im Online shop zu sein. Ich schaue die Tage eventuell mal dort vorbei, denn es kann sein das manche Decks nur im Store vorhanden sind.
good job!
Been looking for this can’t find it anywhere!
I also just got lucky and got the last one at my local skate shop! I hope you’ll find one!!
Is the wider board more forgiven for beginners to land tricks safer?
Wider platform means easier to stand on and being more comfortable, since there is more space for your feet. That makes riding, kick turns and other tricks with both feet on the board easier in my opinion. But if you are talking about flip tricks and other maneuvers, it’s definitely harder to do those because a wider board has a higher mass to rotate.
So depending on your skill level it might work or not. If you can already ride safely and feel comfortable on the board, you might progress quicker with a “more normal” sized deck for tricks etc.
To give you some reference, check some of my videos where I skate. You’ll see I’m okay but not amazing. I ride regular popsicle shaped decks in sizes 8,5”-8,75” most of the time, I would ride smaller decks but my feet are size 12 (EU46) so it doesn’t feel too nice any smaller than 8,5”.
Shaped decks like this one I ride for fun and comfort. I can do some basic flip tricks even with a 10” deck, but more difficult stuff definitely comes easier with a more narrow popsicle deck.
Hope this helps!
Have that same deck waiting. Maybe this weekend I’ll grip it to rip it
Nice! Are you gonna do some special grip job or just classic black? That thing rips indeed man!
@@MarcoEckhardt I was thinking ime green going up to Santa then black up the rest of the way. But after seeing yours might have to cut it up some more.👍🏼
@@inspirationx1 sounds cool - enjoy the board man!
Hi ! I need some advice, i buy indy trucks for powell deck but the holes is not fit, what should i do drill new holes on deck or on trucks (i think there is some more space on base plate for new holes but im worried about the strengh it will reduce the durability?)
FYI : its hard to find indy base plate 6holes in my country, drill new holes at that 2 option i think its the best way i got.
Thanks 🙏🏼
Hi! Yes only 159, 169 ans 215 Indys come with the “old” hole pattern (6 holes). I think the hollow Indys don’t have the 6 hole pattern at all if I’m not wrong.
If I were you I would drill the baseplate. It shouldn’t weaken the baseplate, many people have done it before. Just make sure to drill them straight so your trucks don’t sit crooked. Easiest way to do that is to mount the trucks on the inner holes with 2 bolts to your deck and then mark with a pen through the front two holes of your deck onto the baseplate!
Good luck and enjoy the board :)
@@MarcoEckhardt Thank you very much for your response and advice, im going drill the baseplate like you said before.
Stay healty, creative and spread positive vibe.
Greetings from Indonesia 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@kingakbar5418 anytime! Much love from Finland 🇫🇮 🙏🏻
How many completes do you have ? Nice board btw
They come and go, as I ride some and sell some. RN I have the winkowsky as my “main” skateboard for actually skating, then a mini cruiser (Dinghy) for getting from A to B inside the city. Two longboard setups, one LDP (Pantheon Pranayama) and one bigger platform dropthrough on RKP trucks (Pantheon Nexus).
For my next “basic” setups I’ll go for whatever 8,25” / 8,38” I find since I wanna practice my flip tricks a bit more again. Flips are tough on the 10” winkowsky - at least when you’re as mediocre as me 😅
hi, why do you use 159 indy truck for 10" deck (what the reason)?
i lil bit confused about truck size for 10" deck according to the size chart (indy truck) because there's 159 (8.6-9 deck),169 (9-9.5 deck) and 215 (9.5-10.5 deck). i need advice from pro like you. thanks in advance.
Hi! Yeah it can be confusing sometimes. The size charts are usually just recommendations and can be used as general guidelines. Also, they refer mostly to popsicle decks and boards with the same width throughout the deck length.
When it comes to these shaped boards, like the one I am setting up in this video, the measurement 10“ refers to the widest point of the deck. I also mentioned it in the video. Basically somewhere on the length of the board it is 10“ wide but not everywhere.
At the points where the trucks are on this deck, it measures around 8,8“ and 9“, which is why 159 (8,75“ axle) and 169 (9,125“ axle) work well.
I hope this explains it a bit better :)
@@MarcoEckhardt Thanks for your explanation now i get it, the "shaped" thing that's the reason, so i just to measure the deck wide where the trucks are on. i just looking which one indy truck fit for powell peralta skull and sword 10" deck (i think its popsicle decks with the same width throughout the deck length).
Thank you very much.
@@jayamotor3523 no problem. As far as I know, Powell makes the skull and sword (the Ray Rodriguez boards) in popsicles up to 9” (check out my 9.0 setup video - I set it up there). The 10” you are referring to should be the old school shape (the original) which is 10” wide throughout the board though. For the 10” one I would definitely recommend 169s or if you want to go wild, put some 215s on there. A good idea would be to check both sizes out at a skate shop if they have them and see what looks better, also in combination with the wheels you are going to use. Remember, if you go for wheels bigger than 58 mm (not mandatory), you might want to use some riser pads as well.
@@MarcoEckhardt yeah i mean 10" deck Powell Peralta the skull and sword (the Ray Rodriguez boards) reissue the old school one i forgot to mention it i'm sorry, my plan is to make them for surfskate i will use waterborne surf adapter on front and raiser at back side :)
169 vs 215 what is the different (i mean you say "wild" on 215) is wider truck make turn is more sharp? i'm newbie in skateboard especially about the old school and surfskate and I learn a lot by watching your YT channel.
FYI : in my country, Indonesia its lil bit hard to find skate shop who sell surfskate especially the carver (my dream surfskate) its really fast to sold out on their web so the skate shop cannot bring them here, that's why i make the old school deck for surfskate, Previously I used penny 27" the nickle with waterborne surf adapter.
@@jayamotor3523 that sounds like a cool idea! Haven’t seen anyone use a Powell re-issue as suft skate - that’s gonna be amazing!
I just meant 215s are always crazy looking because they are so large. I am guessing that you will use a little wider wheels (as common for surf skates) so you should be fine with 169s! The turn is the same in all Indys!
If you can’t get the parts you want, you gotta work with what you have and make the best out of it. I am sure you’ll build something amazing and unique!
I‘m stoked to hear that some of my videos help you - all the best wishes from Finland ☺️
What size trucks are they man 159s ?
Yeah, also reads in the description abd I mentioned it in the clip. In this case I tried 159 Mids. Only rode those very shortly bc I didn’t like them. Swapped for regular 159s soon after!
@@MarcoEckhardt sorry buddy I here it after I sent it lol 🙈
I could not find this board anywhere. Where did you buy it?
At my local skate shop “Ponke’s the shop” in Helsinki, Finland. It was the last one - but they just received two more this week if I saw right.
@@MarcoEckhardt Buy another one if the shop still has it. These boards are going for 200 on Ebay and such. I got one at retail, but seen how much it's worth and didn't even bother setting it up. Going to be a wall hanger. I was HYPED to have it as my springtime commuter/tweener deck. But it has become a major collector's item.
What trucks sizes? Put in this setup...
Indy 159, but 169 also works. Alternatives should be ACE AF1 66, Ace Classics 55, thunder 151!
Truck 169 ??
159 Mids. Reads in the description and I‘m talking about them in the vid ;)
Got one, way too big
Trucks are way too small. Should have went with Indy 169's
Winkowski rides 159 with this setup as well. With risers and like 60mm wheels
You didn't skate itttt rippp
Trust me, it’s already seen some action 😅