Destiny DEBATES Leading Catholic Apologist on Ab0rt*0n
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2023
- Destiny DEBATES Leading Catholic Apologist on Ab0rt*0n
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Destiny said it’s morally permissible to use a fetus as a sex doll. If you can’t see the red flags in this worldview it’s hard to take you seriously.
Factz.. He basically said that somnophilia & necrophilia was perfectly okay 🤦🏾♂️..
but you cannot explain why it's wrong, so....
If he thinks that anything without a conscience experience isn’t a human, than he is at least morally consistent
@@Alon3InTh3Dark13 What a cool non answer.
@@Alon3InTh3Dark13 🤖🤖🤖
My wife and I had a little girl that we found out through genetic screening had either severe turner syndrome or trysome 13. The hospital kept pushing us to kill our daughter. God brought her home at 19 weeks gestation and used that to save my wife.
At 12 weeks my ultrasound found some major problems with my baby.
It was discovered that he had trisomy 18 and would probably not survive. I was encouraged to abort but my husband and I said no!
He does the day he was born at 37 weeks. I prayed for him all the time but he went to heaven instead.
God was merciful on my opinion! He could have healed him too, but he took him.
I wonder why he took him instead of healing him but going to heaven is a bonus for him! He didn’t suffer!
I got to experience a lovely pregnancy in spite of the diagnosis.
Often we feel pain for losing a child, but the Bible also says that God sometimes let’s this happen so that He could keep the children safe from the evil of this world. The baby is surely in heaven and I’m glad that he is safe in God’s hands and when you get their too you’ll get to be with your child for eternity! And we’ll get to love the God the gave us life!
@@PigletShadyHallelujah, and amen🙏🏽😊
Here's the thing about abortion, Even dead bodies have rights. Necrophilla is illegal, the body's rights go to the family of the body, phyicallu interrupting a dead person is considered harassment. It's not even a issue life or death it's an issue of it's human cells and DNA alive or dead and therefore it has rights.
Destiny has a crazy worldview. A man that would allow his woman sleep with another man and be fine with it, calling it an open relationship
That's all you fixated on? 🤣
@@michaelalowe9088 It's a dealbreaker for a man.
Bro, that’s precisely what an open relationship IS. When one or both partners gets to have some action on the side. Man or Woman. Gay, Straight, or Bisexual. Jesus specifically condemns those types of relationships. So it doesn’t matter if Destiny was straight (he’s bisexual) and had a one sided open relationship where he got to sleep with random women and his wife Melina had to put up with it. It would still be wrong.
@@ZapparoniWorks yeah but he cheats too. sleeps with men and women. so yeah it is open. i dont agree with that lifestyle tho. but still, i asked because the video was about abortion and you commented on his relationship.
@@michaelalowe9088 Would you listen to the opinions of a rapist? A murderer? Being a cuckold is on the same level of status. It completely negates anything you have to say, ever.
This debate was way better than the last one. When he brought out the book with the pictures it really hit hard.
Destiny would be ok with AI child p***. Thats about all you need to know on this one. Anything you have to say after that is ABSOLUTELY irrelevant. They should have kicked him out right there. Is he getting canceled?? Of course not. So gross bro. 🤮🤮🤮
Say what we will, this will be a common conversation in the coming years. Matter of fact, i've had/seen conversation like this online for several years now. A large part of the debate has been "Is it ok to give people with x desire a fictional outlet for x desires (including dolls, drawings/art etc.)?", especially under a free constitutional society, in the privacy of your own home? Be ready, pretty sure it will go mainstream in the next 5-10 years before a final decision is made by law.
@@EagleZtoTheGrave oh absolutely 200% bro. We are right there. Me and my brother in law have been saying this for years. Ready or not, it's coming. And tbh I think that is when God will fully remove his hand from this country and anywhere else thats doing it. There are certain lines you don't cross. Keep telling others is all we can do rn. Where is the maxwell list? Funny how everyone forgot about that....
@@SomeJesusStuffYou do know that secular countries Finland and France have strengthened their legislation around child abuse in recent years, including on stuff like grooming. Not sure what you guys in America are doing
grow up🙏
@@js1423 we are messing up big here in America. I'm very aware of it. It absolutely sucks.
“He did the whole interview without ever mentioning god or the Bible.” - I’d have to disagree with you that this is impressive. The abortion debate is not entirely an intellectual debate, it’s a spiritual one. The problem isn’t that destiny doesn’t intellectually know a fetus is human being, it’s that he suppressed that truth in unrighteousness.
I have to disagree with you and say that God and the Bible need to be brought into this debate if it’s going to be fruitful at all, because he is the only source for knowing that it is wrong at all..
Without Jesus there is no truth. Teaching people morality does not come from just reasoning with them, but from having them reason their way to God.
David Wood made a good point too about how doing our best to care for children with congenital genetic diseases even if they will probably die young as we have seen that new medical technology allows for longer survival and higher quality of life and better medical knowledge and therapies for other people and other diseases because we did our best for those children, whereas if we simply murder these kids we never learn these things, never develop these new medicines/technology, etc. And that child still has way more value than only as an opportunity to discover new medicine too of course, but it's in the attempts to help people that we innovate; the same goes for many other innovations where solving niche, uncommon problems can help also solve more common, general problems
I don't think you can demonstrate ableism any more perfectly than Destiny did here.
Calling that weirdo destiny a lead debater on the internet is hilarious.
He is. Destiny is smart in his own fleshly ways. Spiritually not there yet
@@Youarelovewalk You're giving that simp way too much credit.
@@richardzaydel5823 can you name a better one?
@@roundtabledetails3307 Anyone that debates him. The guy uses circular logic. Or he swears a lot like somehow that makes him more right. He's lost every debate I've seen him on.
@@richardzaydel5823 lol cope, give me one debate.
What I mainly learned from the debate is that Destiny’s morality is based on culture. Whatever the standard culture has he will take and try to rationalize as possible. He probably wouldn’t realize that with the same mindset if he was born during racial prejudice times he’d most likely be partaking in that and find it fine.
Pray for him. That he realizes the mental gymnastics and that there is indeed absolute truth. Pray that the Lord touches his heart to realize where he even gets his rationality from.
While I disagree with Trent's theology, he has great takes on moral issues. I consider him a brother in Christ and am glad God is using him to reach non-believers.
Catholic theology is the true set of theology. Catholic theology is consistent on every moral issue.
"This is a sickness to the highest order" just wow
Trent Horn is a force to be reckoned with and he exposed Destiny in record time for his insane position.
he's really not...
@@roundtabledetails3307He is....
You can argue that absurdity and truth can align (like Camus would). But, if you follow absurdity (as a truth) you will either lead into cognitive dissonance and intellectual dishonesty (like Sartre) or to remain consistent, you fight against your own moral consciousness (Destinity). Being consistent with absurdity as a truth claim, leads people to deny their own convictions that seem so natural. Which ultimately leads to nilhism, dysfunction and if it effects a society as a whole, destruction.
@@roundtabledetails3307My statement is in reference to your other comments I have seen.
"Where does that intuition Come from"
Ruslan : " GOOOOODD!!"
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Destiny able to consider emergent properties of a piece of anatomy as generating personhood because of those future properties, but the emergent properties of an organism to develop that organ has no weight.
Wild.
2:19 so a person dying of old age is no longer a person?
That part where he was the genetic testing and option to abort is facts. I just had that convo with my OB, and I was like WTH.
Nasty worldview
Destiny put forth a stupid argument in an claiming that an unconscious child has no right to medical treatment bc newborns are born unconscious all the time. Neonatal resuscitation is a routine practice in the Neonatal intensive care unit and someone that requires CPR is unconscious. So should we agree that these children have no right to neonatal resuscitation i.e. “treatment” bc they were born unconscious? By destiny’s logic we should. Utterly ridiculous. Btw the outcome of neonatal resuscitation is routinely successful with common projections of full recovery afterward.
The debate on abortion in the US would be so much more useful if both sides stopped arguing from edge cases. Whether the life of the mother or a brainless infant, both are special cases that should be handled as such. What should the policy be based on the vast majority of cases that actually exist?
destiny sort of admitted defeat in one of his streams after this debate, said something about not being well prepared/underestimating his opponent. dope vid as always.
can we get the link pls
@@Dom201094you will not get a link
What do you think conscious mean? Do you think it means just sleeping or something?
I think the problem with most abortion agurements is where do we draw the line not at conception that doesn’t in one way or another cross over to adults?
You can’t there isn’t anthoner line to draw other than conception
Why are you censoring the word abortion?
Destiny is going to get exposed as a predator... I can already see it going down.
He has been here for 12 years my dude, if he was we would probably know by now.
@@roundtabledetails3307, how many years did it take for Onision to be properly exposed? What about Weinstein, Epstein, and others?!?
It’s unbelievable how much you have to censor to appease the YT algo.
a.i. child corn? when they speak about that? and how they end going there in a abortion debate? xd
It'd be interesting if you joined Destiny's stream sometime, it might expose you to a new audience and I'd love to see how his chat reacts to you
trying to listen this without watching is impossible, they have the same exact voice 😂
It's the staunchly progressive position that Destiny holds that (and this is very western) we ought not to Force anyone to do anything.
It's this laissez-faire attitude towards life.
Ive tried to understand destiny but just cant. And its sad because hes smarter than this. He reminds me david pakman thats another guy i just cant understand nor like.
Idk if they agreed to debate personhood, but like to point out the host set it up that way... Because Destiny's "big argument" for abortion is personhood begins @ consciousness.
3:40 so even if it reduced actual children being harmed you would be opposed to it?? I'm gonna be good faith and assume you didn't understand what Destiny was saying, cuz the alternative is kinda wild..
Uhh DUH yeah. You think allowing a flood of AI kiddy corn won't also CREATE more pdf files? And besides that, you can't even move past the initial question that easily. You think allowing someone to indulge will satiate them? When has that been true ever for anything for people?
When people have a painkiller addiction, giving people weaker drugs wont cure the addiction...itll make them want the real thing more as they get acclimated to the lesser thing. You don't give someone who has an eating problem cookies every day because cookies are better than having cake every day, that's just dumb.
The fact destiny thinks he’s right, is weird cuz there’s no right or wrong in an atheistic worldview. Why even do a debate because at the end of the day everything is gonna stop existing and nothing will matter. (In an atheistic worldview)
Well yes nothing matter, you just think it does
So it makes you wonder if an opinion should land you in jail.
there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church
Bruh all of destiny’s moral opinions are from his atheistic worldview. If you destroy his already shakey foundation. His moral subjective opinions go down with it.
Literal demonic possession.
Necrophilia is the next logical question
it should be perfectly fine.
Destinys arguments around the 4:00 mark………….. and that lady’s and gentleman is atheism.
SMH.
Destiny vs Trent was always going to be W for Trent. He is a debate beast. Destiny is a pretender to the throne.
The "lump of cells" thing annoys me. When cientists find "a lump of fossilized cells" in Mars, the news go: "signs of LIFE in Mars"
yea it is life, Destiny agrees that abortion is killing life, he is saying that that "life" has no consciousness to be considered a person with rights
I don't care for Trent, he takes things out of context and has made dishonest attacks against Mike Winger.
That is a good argument; what if the doctors can see that the child you are about to have is going to be so mentally gone that it could be worse to be alive?
You need to research how many times mothers and fathers have been told that they're unborn child is going to have severe mental or severe physical disabilities and it turned out the doctors and their testing were completely false because a perfectly normal sometimes exceptionally brilliant child ended up being brought into this world when the parents did not listen to the doctors and terminate that said pregnancy.
Being worse to be alive is a slippery slope that when judged from a third person or outside person. In general is dangerous to base moral action upon
@@youngn71890 It is a slippery slope but it is a question in reality. It is similar to someone in a coma. At a certain point we decide if we pull the plug or not.
We could argue the same thing about people in ICU. If you are a husband and your wife has a accident that she will never recover from and will have a much worse life.. as well as the husband will have to take care of her forever.. is it OK for him to kill her? Ya know.. for her.
I have a friend who was told there was a 95% chance that her son was going to be severely mentally disabled by an indicator in her ultrasound. She decided to keep the baby, and give birth to him. He's perfectly healthy and is now 8 years old. Point? Doctors aren't always right.
I am not sure why Christians think we need to debate without referencing the Bible. The Bible is the Word of God and is suitable for all correction. It has the power to save and destroy. Use it wisely and if the atheist is offended then that is their free will.
This is not the ownage that you act like it is. Linking a person's value to their immaterial soul in a dualistic sense is a very consistent Christian approach. As such, I found you guys to be in the wrong on many of these issues where you are hooting and hollering.
“And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;”
Romans 1:28 KJV
His idea worldview is humanist extremely dangerous. This man is serious need of prayer. I wouldn’t debate him on things he’s been given over to the reprobate mind
Stopped listening at "leading debater Destiny"
Pro-choice ppl come up with the worst analogies 🤤🤤🤤
I cannot understand how people think Destiny is a good debater simply because he is respectful to a degree, he isn't and is in many cases worse than some of the most rude leftists out there. He never properly addresses questions posed to him and only ever pushes back on straw men arguments instead of the substance of the discussion. He never is able to reference relevant stats or studies and relies on the "trust me bro" mentality of reference. He expects you to accept everything he says as truth and never accepts the opposing position in good faith. He tries to speak in an educated manner on things he knows nothing about and hides his lack of knowledge beneath colloquialisms and by trying (and failing) to discredit the opposing evidence. He is not entertaining to watch and it astonishes me that people think he's a "good debater" when he has never won a debate nor has he even once won a point or had his opponent reconsider their position on a single topic. I genuinely lose brain cells listening to him speak and people need to stop humoring his aneurysm inducing attempts at "debate" simply because he isn't screaming in your face as the child-like Anarcho-Communist-Postmodern-Democrats do.
Um wut
I’m still in middle when it comes to abortion, both made really good points (& if you think destiny didn’t make any good points your bias asf)😂 but yeah you should’ve let the part in there where destiny asks if 12yr olds try and get an abortion, should they be charged with attempted murder? That’s a good question to see how far the “pro life” ideology really goes because for pro lifers a fetus has the same rights as a child so should anyone who tries to get abortion be charged with attempted murder?
Destiny believes there is only subjective truth not objective truth.
Because there is no objective truth.
@@roundtabledetails3307 Are you sure there isn’t any in your libertarian brain such a thing as objective truth? Ie…scientific truth is objective, confirmed by proof, and is universally accepted. But if you’re sure there is only Subjective truth that exists it is only dependent on peoples opinions, feelings, and different perspectives but it can’t be stated as truly a fact. All subjective truth is a whole lot of feelings. But feelings change with people.
@@dolanridgecommunitychurch7433 Well there must be some kind objective truth out there, all we have are scientific truth which is not the same thing. But most things are subjective.
@@roundtabledetails3307 I appreciate you saying that. I’m an I’m big defender of object truth man. You also have some where not in all cases you have to use subjective truth. That’s all there is in those rare times. But its not my favorite kind of truth. It’s hard to rely on someone emotions, or feelings to make a case for much. People, feelings, and opinions are wishy washy. The full libertarian brain who can’t except any objective truth are the ones that really wear on someone. God bless you and your family.
Not Catholic, but Trent Horn is a megabased guy
Abortion have been going on forever nothing new.. times are to easy and that's why people can set around and argue.. G0d does this all the time and nobody gets made. Women just call it a miss carriage
Except that a miscarriage is always tragic because it entails the death of a human being. The difference is that a miscarriage isn’t the fault of an agent, and abortion is.
Someone or something caused it so there is blame..
@@JohnJohn-xb1sn No, blame necessitates culpability, which itself necessitates agency. Without an agent, there is nothing to blame because no will was involved, only contingent events.
Destiny likes to equate a fetus to a dead corpes. A) not the same at all. In fact, they are the complete opposite. Also, I don't think someone who's died necessarily stops being a person. they are just dead people. I do think it is immoral to abuse a dead person. Just because they don't feel or have consciousness doesn't make it permissible. It's wrong and grotesque. People are people because they are humans. Personhood isn't dependent on your stage in life.
Contraceptives are ok for marital family planning.
Isn't this debate an example of why we shouldn't have bureaucrats making this decision for families? I would hate for either one of these guys to decide on the fate of my unborn child in place of me, my wife, and my doctor
it's so annoying that these people debates this, like bro.. if you can't even handle the topic then why are you here?
pointless debate
true
Why?
@@bookishbrendan8875 It's not going to change anybody's mind.
@@roundtabledetails3307 Why not?