When is Ping going to thank every tax payer, (who made a profit), for every tax payer check he gets paid for as a Fireman? He is taking peoples money by using state force, and he never said "Thank you" once. Where does morality stop?
Here's my story...worked at Cycle Gear back in 2000s, Fresno, Clawsons Motorsports put on a race at Grizzly Stadium and paid Jeremy McGrath to show up and race. He did, super cool dude, but that's a whole nother story. Walked down in the pits, saw Ping, didn't know him, walked up to him and said " Hey ping where's your mechanic? " He was working on his own bike, he said " He is over there trying to pick up on the camera chick". So I asked him if he needed any help, he said yeah, can you walk my bike down to the starting line for me? I said h*** yeah it'd be an honor. So I did all my friends were looking at me like what the heck how'd you do that and then I started the bike twisted the throttle a few times while he adjusted his goggles and then he got on a Pat him on the back and told him you got this, And he thanked me and got the hole shot, Jeremy passed him on the last lap in moto one and he got 2nd. He rode up and handed me the bike,, i pushed it back to the pits and put it on the bike stand and hung out. Super cool guy laid back nice guy. He asked me if I would do the same in the next moto and I said yes, that's my Ping story. Roczen has always been my favorite rider, But in this situation I'm behind Ping 100% just thank the dude gezz... Don't be a jerk Roczen, Be a stand up guy and go shake the guy's hand and thank him for the ride. I'm jus say'n Flodaddy!
Not gonna lie, ping tracked down the BEST suspension made from Showa back in the day going to my dad who had a set of suspension that there’s maybe 8 pairs of left in the world, unattainable parts that my dad didn’t want to sell (because my brother still races two strokes and uses these parts) but ping needed it for Kenny so my dad let it go because it was pingree. Ping is a hardworking good guy who isn’t looking for this attention. Working with these racers is a different world, sometimes I look back n wish I said thank you to those people a bit more but I think in this situation it’s a bit different. I don’t have any negative feelings on either side I just know a small part of what ping did threw us that makes me see a part of his effort he put in which was 1 of 50 things he had to get done to make that bike ken roczen worthy. Take that for what you will.
I get the feeling that unless Roczen had something against Ping before this, that he really wasn't informed of the totality of the project. I would imagine that Ken just talked with Mitch and Ken would just assume that Ping just dropped off the bike or something. I dunno. Doesn't seem right. Maybe he just thought Mitch did all of the work?
I agree 100% that ping is a solid guy. And he is one of the few decent guys left in the industry. But come on, no one takes you, your brother, or your dad serious in the sport
This truth has been well documented. What wasn’t told was; who was really behind the acquisition of the unobtainium pieces. The way the story has been told, is that Mitch pulled it all off by himself.
David Pingree is one of the most selfless guy at the track. He is a great dude, helped alot of people around the track, he is what our sport needs more of.
I worked with Ping on a project together about two years ago and he is truly a great human being. He featured my bike when he was with vital still, which opened up many new doors for me within the industry. And for that I thanked Ping so much that I think he became a little annoyed 😂. But that’s the type of appreciation you need to show when a person does something big for you like that.
did he leave Vital now too? I thought he was still at Vital while still running his own podcast/show? He's had Whiskey Throttle before he even left RacerX for Vital.
I lost respect for Ken when he kept coming up with one excuse after another when his finishes were sub par. This is icing on the cake. Heck even Ken’s Father had excuses for days about his treatment at HRC in that interview from a few months ago. Own your mistakes and shoot straight. AND, always thank someone who’s put it on the line for you.
Even though I have never met David, and he has no clue who I am, he has responded to my Instagram messages on several occasions. That says something about the true character of David!
A response defines character? When you start to understand the premise of what is actually being said,--then you can judge character. Ping is a confused boy who makes decisions based on feelings because he does not have the intellect to have a true character. He does not think well. He regurgitates what he has heard with no idea where it comes from, as long as he feels good about what he is saying. He is a confused child, (as we graduate them today), whose biggest grin comes from genital jokes of Bevis and Butthead. In just about anything he tries to think of, he can be on the right track, and he takes a left turn and jumps off a cliff. Ping's brain is a product of every crappy piece of propaganda chanted at us for the last 30 years. His brain is little more than a tape recorder, and unfortunately, he is no where near alone. Mankind in general is losing the ability to figure out reality.
I typically only make personality judgements on people I've personally met, and I've met but never hung out with Kenny but I've met and hung out around Ping quite a few times and he's always, without exception been a straight-up classy guy. He and his wife are the kind people you would love to hang out with, just good, grounded human beings. Kenny has always given me the vibe of a pre-madonna, entitled, spoiled baby and hearing this from someone like Ping confirms it for me.
where do u get the fact that kenny is spoiled or entitled?? bro almost lost both of his arms and put everything he could to be able to compete and win races again and you think hes entitled or spoiled? surely from someone like him who has been at ROCK BOTTOM isnt entitled, but carry on with ur opinion
@@7Nick21rock bottom...? Roczens popularity only grew when he broke his arms.. everyone giving him empathy. Remember how he showed up to press conference before he broke his arm..? Suit, sportscar.. he races fucking dirtbikes. He needed tat to humble his ass. Roczen got an ego whether you want to admit it or not.
Ping, I support you 100%. There are people that give and help others and there are people how hold their hand out and take. Those givers like yourself, often get nothing in return and in this case, not even a simple “thank you”. I’ve been a Roczen fan for years, but definitely lost respect for him for sure. May be biased since I’m a fellow Montanan, and remember the days of Ping coming to Montana and racing with us on his PC KX125 back in the late 90s.
"There are people that give and help others and there are people how hold their hand out and take." What about people who are self sufficient, (did not have to get a government tax payer paid job,---take take take), and simply mind their own business and take care of them self and family. Ping should thank every tax payer in Ca. every times he gets our check to support his parasitical existence. Show me the virtue you have son. If you are not going to take something from me, give me your dirt bike, since you can't think of any other way to live.
I worked with Ping this year on some Whiskey Throttle Show swag and he was nothing but professional and made everything work despite being busier than a plastic surgeon in Hollywood. I don't blame Ping one bit for voicing his opinion about Roczen. I agree that Kenny is an incredible rider, but it's disappointing to see the BS that Kenny said about Ping and I can hardly blame Ping for dropping the truth here. In my opinion we need much more of this kind of honesty and accountability from people like Ping.
As a long time fan of Ping, I remember watching it live and being stoked for him and his brand and then noticing how he was left out of being mentioned in every post and interview Ken made. My account means nothing but it was pretty awkward from the outside looking in if you were paying attention.
Hey Dave, great content. I want to say thank you. I purchased (at least that's what I was told) one of your RM 125s from your mechanic. It seems to be over 20 years ago at the practice track in Englishtown, NJ (Raceway Park). If I remember correctly, it was #35. The bike was hooked up. It was the best bike I had ever owned. Thank you!
David - Just want to say I love your show and you are my hero....Please get more old school 90s riders on your show. Your days are the best of motocross/supercross....
Damn man. I am a Roczen fan and his riding ability is amazing. But man. Like Ping is tha man. Coming from Ping I'm gonna have to re think how I look at Roczen. Very disappointing to hear. Wow ashame
@@ScottAllenSparks ahh that's a bit of a stretch. Kenny has 21 wins in 450sx, and two 450mx titles. Totally fair to say he has accomplished more than ping.
I could totally understand Ping’s frustration! I’ve lent out one bike over the years and the dude thank’d me, paid me $200 to rent the bike for the race, and brought it back in the same condition but with the steering stabilizer freshly rebuilt. I’m not close with the guy at all but I’d let him borrow my bike again any day. Moral of the story, always show respect and common courtesy when someone lends you a bike to race and never “cool guy” someone who has put in work to help you out!
It’s crazy! You should see the shit Matt Burkeen went through with his bikes owner at the 2 Stroke World Championships at Glen Helen and he still managed to thank the guy! I don’t know Kenny, never met Ping in person but know his sister and if I know one thing, they were raised right!
You’re angry that we blocked you from commenting on our page. You’re a lunatic that rants about everything and I was tired of you telling me I’m a leach for being a firefighter. I also own two of my own businesses… but you don’t see that. Rant on, weirdo.
Not to mention how he treated Musquin at the finish line interview. Not a congrats, a mention of how Marvin rode, or how marvin is definitely king of straight rhythm etc... This was a for fun event basically and all Ken had to do was be grateful and humble. Instead it was a me me me excuse excuse excuse show. I saw the bike in person in the lobby at Pro Circuit the next week. The little details on that build were amazing. Everyone involved with that machine build really put in an effort.
Excellent video. Thanks. Ping has high moral standards and self love. I don't see Ping as being offended. Only the weak get offended by anything. Ping is a warrior who simply holds people accountable to high standards for moral humans. On the other hand, KR is driven by a social conscience, which is when the ego is in charge and it depends and feeds on external validation. Despite outwardly acting to care for others, a social conscience is totally selfish and also dangerous to be around. I lost all respect for KR in 2021 when he started isolating and masking himself from that imaginary thing - which many court case results now confirm was fake and fraudulent.
Sounds very frustrating. I've learned with old age that anytime I have expectations of people I am often disappointed. It's much easier if you have zero expectations
Doesn’t surprise me. Some of these guys grow up getting whatever they want whenever they want, they seem to lose touch with the real world and just expect everything and everyone to revolve around them and I think that’s where KR is at right now, being a professional rider his egos too high to go thank the little guys like Ping that actually made a big effort.
I doubt a man who cries about not getting likes actually knows much about respect. I 💯 agree that Ken definitely should have been grateful and he probably was. I am not taking any thing lil Pingy says as facts. I have had people not thank me for my efforts before but I would never make a damn video crying about it…. Mommy, Ken didn’t “like” my post 🤣🤣🤣
@@baby-sharkgto4902 Wow thats really weird I must have seen a different video because I heard Ping upset about him not showing respect and at least saying thank you for the work Ping put into the bike he let Roczen use. Part of that respect includes promoting the content on social media. Its the least Ken could have done.
David You are the stand up guy in this situation and did everything you could to help Ken. If he did have the Class as a person to at least thank you for all the hard work and help you gave him to get it to straight rhythm is BS. The fans love you and like seeing you at the track and races. Thanks for the memory's.
Because he has nothing for an education after his MX retirement, he had to get a job from the state because he can't make good money doing anything else. 10 days work a month as a fireman, and he takes big bank home all on the profit others make. You call that noble? He is and always will be a dependent child, and a burden on the community that pays for his existence. When he says "Thank you to all the profit makers so I can live better than you." Let us know. We really lost morality. Glad I am old.
Wow... I'm really bummed by this, honestly. I've been on the fence about how much I like Ken or not, but this really does tell all. I'm the same way as Ping, I will always care more about a riders character than how well they can ride. Ken is just losing out, currently.
Dang Ping! I hate that this happened to you. Like they say, No Good Deed Goes Unpunished! Sometimes you just have to realize and go into a situation not expecting anything or anyone to be thankful that you did something to help them out. Once again, sorry this happened. Been a fan of yours since the hood ole days when u rode for ProCircuit
I'm willing to give a person the benefit of the doubt when they simply don't know the details or innocent ignorance. But, once it was explained, you should give thanks. Another thought would be there was no recovery for Ken regarding this. The initial snub had been done and an apology only feeds this and prolongs it. That being said, this is not right. Even a little thank you in this case would have gone a long way. Thanks for the post Jameson. Peace everyone!
He replied to me once also, when I asked what Hannah would do if he ran for President, if he would make Hillary cry. Big deal. He also called all the fans in PA, "A bunch of slack jawed Yokels.", publicly in Racer-x. He has no intellect. He is a dependent child. Sorry. No hero there to look up to.
You should see how much money he takes home from the firehouse on the tax payers dime because he has the education of a HS drop out. And he even puts together bikes, (not his bike or parts unless somebody gave it to him.), there on our dime too. Heck, we even think it is OK for some racer to claim another persons bike at a race, (the claiming rule is theft.). We do not live in a moral society anymore, and we will collapse as we eat each others lunch.
I judge people the same way, by their conduct, respect and character. Roczen is a spoiled whiner, listen to how many times he has made excuses why he doesn't win. That says a lot about him. Very unprofessional. Keep up the good work Ping!
Red Bull straight Rhythm->Ken Roczen Redbull athlete->Ken Roczen having to borrow a bike from David Pingree in the first place to enter event->Bike built by a Monster Energy sponsored Team…🧐
I often scratch my head when Kenny Roczen is the subject of a conversation. From him showing up in a suit to sign his rider contract ( so?), I read about that for a week afterwards. He lost straight rhythm to Musquin, I read posts for a week how he would’ve won if it didn’t rain (Musky’s tire spun also ?). Now it’s posts calling his bike a POS, he’d be winning if… Didn’t he turn down his factory contract, post himself test riding every bike (including electric) in the off season, then choose his current ride..? Kens a talented rider there’s no denying that. How he wants to present himself as a person, he could use a little work.
I think we have a lot bigger problem "perceiving" people. We don't know what we are looking at, yet we claim to know the motives. If people care about their little scuff, I would say we are hooked on making judgments with the least bit of knowledge,--and that is a mistake. Here is some wisdom would like to share, passed down to me from several generations before me.: "If we would mind our own business,---we would not have time to mind everybody else's." I have better things to do, and so dies everybody here.
I’ve bought a cup of coffee’s, and said “thanks”. I’ve bought a new car, and said “thanks”. Each time with equal enthusiasm, and literally effortlessly. Sometimes a cigar, is just a cigar.
Yea, Screw that, where i come from; A Man offers to let you ride his bike, you make a point to go out of your way to not only Thank him but return the favor in another way along with returning the bike in better shape than you received it.
Ping never bought his own bike in his life. He may put on parts at the firehouse to help promote the people who gave him the parts, (which is OK, sans doing it at the firehouse on our dime), but the only bikes he ever owned was bike that people gave to him. It is not like me loaning my bike to a friend of mine for the 2nd moto because his broke in the first.
Kenny possibly didn’t know who was involved with the bike. But I could have told you he was narcissistic way back in the day it’s been toned down after he hurt his arms but you can see it still.
That’s is really inconsiderate and down right rude. Sorry you experienced that Ping. Bad look for Kenny makes him look like an entitled punk. Don’t let that incident keep you from helping the next guy that needs a hand up it sounds like you really went above and beyond.
😂 I dont hate any of the racers, and not because of this, but I’ve never seen what people like so much about KRoc to root for him over our own boys. This just knocks him down a peg in my “who I’m rooting for” book in my head. Always liked how Ping comes off. I don’t know either of them though, so have nothing against Kenny. I’m just talking about my book lol
This just confirmed how weird it was to see a rider thanking himself on the podium. That goes for ANY rider. I've never seen that before in any sport. I also don't wanna see that again. Ping isn't wrong in any way about this whole thing. I'm no longer going to feel bad for Kenny. I was pulling for the guy earlier this season, but no more.
I have known Ping and his family for quite a long time and when he says he will get something done he does everything and more to make that happen.. Knowing that there was so much effort put into a bike that someone was letting me use to race, not to mention I think he took 2nd place that day, I may be wrong I'm old forgive me , but I know the bike rocked so not just saying thank you as a man is like spitting in his face. Who the fuk taught the dude manners? and here I was pulling for him this year on the Suzuki. Now he can just pound sand.
Look Ping straight into the eyes , shake his hand and say thank you. That would be the minimal acceptable behavior for sure. There are two sides to every story . There must be some details left out here.
I gotta say, I used to love Roczen. Outside of Tomac he may have been my favorite rider on the track. But after all the drama that went down last summer, and him leaving HRC, a team that stood by him through some of the worst situations a rider could go through. And it wasn’t even that he left HRC, if he’d just said, “thanks for everything y’all have done, but I think I’m going to switch to a different team” it’d be fine. But he leaves them, trashes their bike, and disses the crap out of them. Obviously the bike wasn’t that bad, Chase Sexton came within what? 20 minutes of beating Tomac for the outdoor title? Then he tries every bike from a Cobra 50cc to the Suzuki he ended up on. And it just started to feel like he was less testing out different teams, and more trying to be sure the spotlight stayed on him. After everything in the offseason with him, I just lost a ton of respect for the guy.
Good thing he has the state job. This is going to hurt his free enterprise. This was childish and emotional. He better trade his feelings for thinking. An emotional child goes public with stuff like this, not a rational adult.
A simple thank you in return is common courtesy. If this story holds truth, Roczen is a POS for it. It wouldn’t surprise me if it is true. Roczen thinks he’s gods gift to the moto community and he really isn’t anything close. He’s a major disappointment and a what could’ve been to the sport. The day he retires is the day the sport rids a cancer to it.
He wasn’t expecting a present in return he was wanting a simple thank you. Obviously you need to watch and listen to the video to even understand anything. That is what a man does. Not sure why you were raised to be selfish and greedy.
Hold it, Ping... Ken has always worked with companies that benefit greatly from his using their products... The culture was, "I go risk my neck, and you all sell boatloads of the products you give." Thus a mindset of You pay me & I benefit you... even steven at the end of the day. Here the dynamic was different. This was a personal deal at an event that is nothing more than a little sideshow circus event. I think he just felt that you weren't paying him to ride a bike which was probably the first time in his life this dynamic was present. Ping, you expected too much for too little, and Ken, once this was brought to your attention, a sincere thank you is free and classy... This is classic "sounds good" stuff; however, no one stopped to make a plan with expectations up front... Verbal agreements are riff with each party hearing what they want to hear when bantering things about. In the future, Ping, sit down and meticulously count the costs, assign duties and responsibilities, and be sure expectations are clearly documented and aligned... then say yes or no. I say this with great empathy for Ken, for this reminded me that the last season I raced for a sponsor was on a 79 YZ 250... I never stopped to thank the owner when I turned his bike in at the end of the season... Could be YZ 250s cause blindspots of reconsideration? Woo, that sounds stupid... I too was too focused on the love of my life... me.
Need a second side to know all of this....Ken's view would help understand... anytime you " lend " a bike it can go 2 ways...Good or Bad...or in the Middle i guess..hell 1000 ways !! anyways..it is never going to work out in most cases.... " Not a Lender..or Borrower..Be " is an old saying....Truth
Come on now, that's asking lot to know both sides of the story before commenting or taking a side. That's not the way of the "new" america. Look at the comments. People aren't interested in both sides, only the first side.
Hey Garry I let Stu use my CR500 for the 1997 Austin Manitoba Nationals and I can’t remember if he thanked me or not !! Sort of like this will be forgotten bout over time !!
I totally see his side. He has a right to be upset about this.
When is Ping going to thank every tax payer, (who made a profit), for every tax payer check he gets paid for as a Fireman? He is taking peoples money by using state force, and he never said "Thank you" once. Where does morality stop?
Here's my story...worked at Cycle Gear back in 2000s, Fresno, Clawsons Motorsports put on a race at Grizzly Stadium and paid Jeremy McGrath to show up and race. He did, super cool dude, but that's a whole nother story. Walked down in the pits, saw Ping, didn't know him, walked up to him and said " Hey ping where's your mechanic? " He was working on his own bike, he said " He is over there trying to pick up on the camera chick". So I asked him if he needed any help, he said yeah, can you walk my bike down to the starting line for me? I said h*** yeah it'd be an honor. So I did all my friends were looking at me like what the heck how'd you do that and then I started the bike twisted the throttle a few times while he adjusted his goggles and then he got on a Pat him on the back and told him you got this, And he thanked me and got the hole shot, Jeremy passed him on the last lap in moto one and he got 2nd. He rode up and handed me the bike,, i pushed it back to the pits and put it on the bike stand and hung out. Super cool guy laid back nice guy.
He asked me if I would do the same in the next moto and I said yes, that's my Ping story. Roczen has always been my favorite rider, But in this situation I'm behind Ping 100% just thank the dude gezz... Don't be a jerk Roczen, Be a stand up guy and go shake the guy's hand and thank him for the ride. I'm jus say'n Flodaddy!
Not gonna lie, ping tracked down the BEST suspension made from Showa back in the day going to my dad who had a set of suspension that there’s maybe 8 pairs of left in the world, unattainable parts that my dad didn’t want to sell (because my brother still races two strokes and uses these parts) but ping needed it for Kenny so my dad let it go because it was pingree. Ping is a hardworking good guy who isn’t looking for this attention. Working with these racers is a different world, sometimes I look back n wish I said thank you to those people a bit more but I think in this situation it’s a bit different. I don’t have any negative feelings on either side I just know a small part of what ping did threw us that makes me see a part of his effort he put in which was 1 of 50 things he had to get done to make that bike ken roczen worthy. Take that for what you will.
Hey laser pointer no one cares about your opinion
I get the feeling that unless Roczen had something against Ping before this, that he really wasn't informed of the totality of the project. I would imagine that Ken just talked with Mitch and Ken would just assume that Ping just dropped off the bike or something. I dunno. Doesn't seem right. Maybe he just thought Mitch did all of the work?
Glad to see you put that laser down and have time to comment about this 😂😂😂
I agree 100% that ping is a solid guy. And he is one of the few decent guys left in the industry.
But come on, no one takes you, your brother, or your dad serious in the sport
This truth has been well documented. What wasn’t told was; who was really behind the acquisition of the unobtainium pieces. The way the story has been told, is that Mitch pulled it all off by himself.
A simple thank you is priceless in my opinion
It truly is and cost nothing! Well said.
If the bum has no money. haha
David Pingree is one of the most selfless guy at the track. He is a great dude, helped alot of people around the track, he is what our sport needs more of.
I bet you are right. He does not have a "self".
I worked with Ping on a project together about two years ago and he is truly a great human being. He featured my bike when he was with vital still, which opened up many new doors for me within the industry. And for that I thanked Ping so much that I think he became a little annoyed 😂. But that’s the type of appreciation you need to show when a person does something big for you like that.
did he leave Vital now too? I thought he was still at Vital while still running his own podcast/show? He's had Whiskey Throttle before he even left RacerX for Vital.
Roczen is a head case. Lost all respect for him long before this. This only affirms why I dislike him.
I lost respect for Ken when he kept coming up with one excuse after another when his finishes were sub par. This is icing on the cake. Heck even Ken’s Father had excuses for days about his treatment at HRC in that interview from a few months ago.
Own your mistakes and shoot straight. AND, always thank someone who’s
put it on the line for you.
He has been estranged from his dad for years every time he has switched teams someone interviews his dad anyways.
Even though I have never met David, and he has no clue who I am, he has responded to my Instagram messages on several occasions. That says something about the true character of David!
A response defines character? When you start to understand the premise of what is actually being said,--then you can judge character. Ping is a confused boy who makes decisions based on feelings because he does not have the intellect to have a true character. He does not think well. He regurgitates what he has heard with no idea where it comes from, as long as he feels good about what he is saying. He is a confused child, (as we graduate them today), whose biggest grin comes from genital jokes of Bevis and Butthead. In just about anything he tries to think of, he can be on the right track, and he takes a left turn and jumps off a cliff.
Ping's brain is a product of every crappy piece of propaganda chanted at us for the last 30 years. His brain is little more than a tape recorder, and unfortunately, he is no where near alone. Mankind in general is losing the ability to figure out reality.
Answering a dm is a good judge of character?
I typically only make personality judgements on people I've personally met, and I've met but never hung out with Kenny but I've met and hung out around Ping quite a few times and he's always, without exception been a straight-up classy guy. He and his wife are the kind people you would love to hang out with, just good, grounded human beings. Kenny has always given me the vibe of a pre-madonna, entitled, spoiled baby and hearing this from someone like Ping confirms it for me.
Is this an example of a "straight up classy guy"?
where do u get the fact that kenny is spoiled or entitled?? bro almost lost both of his arms and put everything he could to be able to compete and win races again and you think hes entitled or spoiled? surely from someone like him who has been at ROCK BOTTOM isnt entitled, but carry on with ur opinion
I like ping too but there is no denying he has burned a lot of bridges over the years.
@@7Nick21rock bottom...? Roczens popularity only grew when he broke his arms.. everyone giving him empathy. Remember how he showed up to press conference before he broke his arm..? Suit, sportscar.. he races fucking dirtbikes. He needed tat to humble his ass. Roczen got an ego whether you want to admit it or not.
Not trying to be pedantic but the term is "prima Donna"
Ping, I support you 100%. There are people that give and help others and there are people how hold their hand out and take. Those givers like yourself, often get nothing in return and in this case, not even a simple “thank you”. I’ve been a Roczen fan for years, but definitely lost respect for him for sure. May be biased since I’m a fellow Montanan, and remember the days of Ping coming to Montana and racing with us on his PC KX125 back in the late 90s.
"There are people that give and help others and there are people how hold their hand out and take."
What about people who are self sufficient, (did not have to get a government tax payer paid job,---take take take), and simply mind their own business and take care of them self and family. Ping should thank every tax payer in Ca. every times he gets our check to support his parasitical existence. Show me the virtue you have son. If you are not going to take something from me, give me your dirt bike, since you can't think of any other way to live.
💯 It doesn’t cost anything to say thank you. Just common decency.
said perfectly...
I worked with Ping this year on some Whiskey Throttle Show swag and he was nothing but professional and made everything work despite being busier than a plastic surgeon in Hollywood. I don't blame Ping one bit for voicing his opinion about Roczen. I agree that Kenny is an incredible rider, but it's disappointing to see the BS that Kenny said about Ping and I can hardly blame Ping for dropping the truth here. In my opinion we need much more of this kind of honesty and accountability from people like Ping.
What is professional about giving away other peoples stuff, (swag)?
@@EarthSurferUSA I manufacture decals, headware and apparel. (Swag) Ping was a client, and was very professional to deal with.
Thanks for all you do Ping.
Ping is one of the best guys in our sport now! He’s a stand up guy and I believe all he wanted was a thank you from Ken!
Ping you got it right, never would've thought Roczen would be so thankless
Ping ever thank the tax payers for the check the Fire department gives him every week?
Theft is theft. Does not matter how it is done.
This is a totally valid rant! I truly miss Ping over at Vital MX. Where is Ping posting these days?
Whiskey throttle media
Thank you for this! I’ve been looking for it since Cooksey broke the story.
That’s what it’s all about! Respect brother,shake my hand and say thanks bro.. that’s it, it’s simple…
As a long time fan of Ping, I remember watching it live and being stoked for him and his brand and then noticing how he was left out of being mentioned in every post and interview Ken made. My account means nothing but it was pretty awkward from the outside looking in if you were paying attention.
Hey Dave, great content. I want to say thank you. I purchased (at least that's what I was told) one of your RM 125s from your mechanic. It seems to be over 20 years ago at the practice track in Englishtown, NJ (Raceway Park). If I remember correctly, it was #35. The bike was hooked up. It was the best bike I had ever owned. Thank you!
Ping has never bought a bike for himself.
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Man it takes so little to say thank you, shake the man’s hand, and repost social media content. It goes a long ways… the returns are infinite
Daves a salt of the earth kind of gentleman. ☝ken! its nice to be "important" but far More " important to be nice" thats all ! Uk
David - Just want to say I love your show and you are my hero....Please get more old school 90s riders on your show. Your days are the best of motocross/supercross....
Feeding the appetite of the over privileged can sometimes leaves a bad taste.
Damn man. I am a Roczen fan and his riding ability is amazing. But man. Like Ping is tha man. Coming from Ping I'm gonna have to re think how I look at Roczen. Very disappointing to hear. Wow ashame
roczen probably thought he was doing him a favor.
yeah! Ken should demand a Thank You!!
@@ScottAllenSparks ahh that's a bit of a stretch. Kenny has 21 wins in 450sx, and two 450mx titles. Totally fair to say he has accomplished more than ping.
Poor Pingy didn’t get his likes on FB whaaaa WHAAA. Want mommy to get your pacifier for you 🤣
@@nickstewart6602 and yet he’s still just a boy who can’t thank people for helping him out. Roczen is a POS. 👍🏻
@@baby-sharkgto4902 Ken Roczen got a nasty ego ngl and burning brides isnt ideal for anyone
Dang i feel for situation. Crazy. Bike was sick. I was there! I thank you!
I could totally understand Ping’s frustration! I’ve lent out one bike over the years and the dude thank’d me, paid me $200 to rent the bike for the race, and brought it back in the same condition but with the steering stabilizer freshly rebuilt. I’m not close with the guy at all but I’d let him borrow my bike again any day. Moral of the story, always show respect and common courtesy when someone lends you a bike to race and never “cool guy” someone who has put in work to help you out!
Fair enough. Hope you guys work it out.
Thats Kenny he's full of himself, that's why he's not doing so well: Ego destroys you 😉
You are a great guy Ping. Love your stuff brother.
It’s crazy! You should see the shit Matt Burkeen went through with his bikes owner at the 2 Stroke World Championships at Glen Helen and he still managed to thank the guy!
I don’t know Kenny, never met Ping in person but know his sister and if I know one thing, they were raised right!
Hahahahahahaha There is no way I could agree with that. Ping is a very confused man.
@@EarthSurferUSA bro your d rider for all these comments. Just stay mad ping calls the truth out.
You’re angry that we blocked you from commenting on our page. You’re a lunatic that rants about everything and I was tired of you telling me I’m a leach for being a firefighter. I also own two of my own businesses… but you don’t see that. Rant on, weirdo.
This has way more backstory than not a simple thank you and Ping knows this.
There must be.
What is it?
Not to mention how he treated Musquin at the finish line interview. Not a congrats, a mention of how Marvin rode, or how marvin is definitely king of straight rhythm etc... This was a for fun event basically and all Ken had to do was be grateful and humble. Instead it was a me me me excuse excuse excuse show.
I saw the bike in person in the lobby at Pro Circuit the next week. The little details on that build were amazing. Everyone involved with that machine build really put in an effort.
Never liked Ken. He always seemed like a primadonna
Excellent video. Thanks. Ping has high moral standards and self love. I don't see Ping as being offended. Only the weak get offended by anything. Ping is a warrior who simply holds people accountable to high standards for moral humans. On the other hand, KR is driven by a social conscience, which is when the ego is in charge and it depends and feeds on external validation. Despite outwardly acting to care for others, a social conscience is totally selfish and also dangerous to be around. I lost all respect for KR in 2021 when he started isolating and masking himself from that imaginary thing - which many court case results now confirm was fake and fraudulent.
Sounds very frustrating. I've learned with old age that anytime I have expectations of people I am often disappointed. It's much easier if you have zero expectations
Doesn’t surprise me. Some of these guys grow up getting whatever they want whenever they want, they seem to lose touch with the real world and just expect everything and everyone to revolve around them and I think that’s where KR is at right now, being a professional rider his egos too high to go thank the little guys like Ping that actually made a big effort.
That is the tax payers bike. Ping works for the state. Never made a dime of his own money there.
@@EarthSurferUSAdude you gotta chill out with the comments, have a nice day
Ping wouldnt say shit just to say it…. I agree with what he said. A handshake is free… and so is respect
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I doubt a man who cries about not getting likes actually knows much about respect. I 💯 agree that Ken definitely should have been grateful and he probably was. I am not taking any thing lil Pingy says as facts. I have had people not thank me for my efforts before but I would never make a damn video crying about it…. Mommy, Ken didn’t “like” my post 🤣🤣🤣
He says dumb shit all the time.
@@baby-sharkgto4902 Wow thats really weird I must have seen a different video because I heard Ping upset about him not showing respect and at least saying thank you for the work Ping put into the bike he let Roczen use. Part of that respect includes promoting the content on social media. Its the least Ken could have done.
Some appreciate for Ping and his efforts would be warranted.
David You are the stand up guy in this situation and did everything you could to help Ken. If he did have the Class as a person to at least thank you
for all the hard work and help you gave him to get it to straight rhythm is BS. The fans love you and like seeing you at the track and races. Thanks for the memory's.
Because he has nothing for an education after his MX retirement, he had to get a job from the state because he can't make good money doing anything else. 10 days work a month as a fireman, and he takes big bank home all on the profit others make. You call that noble? He is and always will be a dependent child, and a burden on the community that pays for his existence. When he says "Thank you to all the profit makers so I can live better than you." Let us know. We really lost morality. Glad I am old.
Simply put. It is immoral to consume more than you produce.
Ken was thinking when is Ping gonna come over and Thank me for riding his bike. That's the issue.
That’s so sad he didn’t even take time to say thanks for putting the steed under me…appreciate it
We seem to be setting the bar a bit too low for the term "rant"
Wow... I'm really bummed by this, honestly. I've been on the fence about how much I like Ken or not, but this really does tell all. I'm the same way as Ping, I will always care more about a riders character than how well they can ride. Ken is just losing out, currently.
i wish David all the luck in the future class act stand up dude
You're the man pingree
Dang Ping! I hate that this happened to you.
Like they say, No Good Deed Goes Unpunished! Sometimes you just have to realize and go into a situation not expecting anything or anyone to be thankful that you did something to help them out.
Once again, sorry this happened. Been a fan of yours since the hood ole days when u rode for ProCircuit
That’s disrespectful Ping is a wonderful human humble
I'm willing to give a person the benefit of the doubt when they simply don't know the details or innocent ignorance. But, once it was explained, you should give thanks. Another thought would be there was no recovery for Ken regarding this. The initial snub had been done and an apology only feeds this and prolongs it. That being said, this is not right. Even a little thank you in this case would have gone a long way. Thanks for the post Jameson. Peace everyone!
Wow... I agree 100%. Simple common courtesy...
Ping publicly replied to my letter to RacerX in 2000 and I'll be forever grateful that he acknowledged me.
He replied to me once also, when I asked what Hannah would do if he ran for President, if he would make Hillary cry.
Big deal. He also called all the fans in PA, "A bunch of slack jawed Yokels.", publicly in Racer-x. He has no intellect. He is a dependent child. Sorry. No hero there to look up to.
Manners cost nothing but are priceless.
I’d be frustrated too.
To spend that much of your valuable time into something for someone to use..
What a slap in the face
You should see how much money he takes home from the firehouse on the tax payers dime because he has the education of a HS drop out. And he even puts together bikes, (not his bike or parts unless somebody gave it to him.), there on our dime too. Heck, we even think it is OK for some racer to claim another persons bike at a race, (the claiming rule is theft.). We do not live in a moral society anymore, and we will collapse as we eat each others lunch.
And he even puts together bikes at the firehouse on our dime, (not his bike or parts unless somebody gave it to him.).
All them roczen fans where you at? Dude deserves all hes got from webb an then some
That same thing happened to me so I feel the frustration!
With who?
I judge people the same way, by their conduct, respect and character. Roczen is a spoiled whiner, listen to how many times he has made excuses why he doesn't win. That says a lot about him. Very unprofessional.
Keep up the good work Ping!
Yup! Zee whining german is a narcissistic a-hole. He always has…
i’m siding with ping on this one that is very strange behavior… i know he loves punk rock and so do i but that doesn’t mean act the punk in public 😂
Ken has yet to learn what being a man is all about, a good one anyway. Thanks Ping.
He's absolutely correct 👍
Red Bull straight Rhythm->Ken Roczen Redbull athlete->Ken Roczen having to borrow a bike from David Pingree in the first place to enter event->Bike built by a Monster Energy sponsored Team…🧐
I often scratch my head when Kenny Roczen is the subject of a conversation. From him showing up in a suit to sign his rider contract ( so?), I read about that for a week afterwards. He lost straight rhythm to Musquin, I read posts for a week how he would’ve won if it didn’t rain (Musky’s tire spun also ?). Now it’s posts calling his bike a POS, he’d be winning if… Didn’t he turn down his factory contract, post himself test riding every bike (including electric) in the off season, then choose his current ride..? Kens a talented rider there’s no denying that. How he wants to present himself as a person, he could use a little work.
Whining German’s a POS. Period!
I think we have a lot bigger problem "perceiving" people. We don't know what we are looking at, yet we claim to know the motives. If people care about their little scuff, I would say we are hooked on making judgments with the least bit of knowledge,--and that is a mistake. Here is some wisdom would like to share, passed down to me from several generations before me.: "If we would mind our own business,---we would not have time to mind everybody else's."
I have better things to do, and so dies everybody here.
I’ve bought a cup of coffee’s, and said “thanks”. I’ve bought a new car, and said “thanks”. Each time with equal enthusiasm, and literally effortlessly.
Sometimes a cigar, is just a cigar.
Yea, Screw that, where i come from; A Man offers to let you ride his bike, you make a point to go out of your way to not only Thank him but return the favor in another way along with returning the bike in better shape than you received it.
Ping never bought his own bike in his life. He may put on parts at the firehouse to help promote the people who gave him the parts, (which is OK, sans doing it at the firehouse on our dime), but the only bikes he ever owned was bike that people gave to him. It is not like me loaning my bike to a friend of mine for the 2nd moto because his broke in the first.
Ping is right on this one. 100 Percent.
Good for you ping.
KR fan here, but I'm all in with Ping on this one....
"It is what it is"...Of course it is, what else would it be???!!!
“I have the same number of supercross championships” lmao 💀
I mean, to be fair, Ken does have a lites title
Kenny possibly didn’t know who was involved with the bike. But I could have told you he was narcissistic way back in the day it’s been toned down after he hurt his arms but you can see it still.
That’s is really inconsiderate and down right rude. Sorry you experienced that Ping. Bad look for Kenny makes him look like an entitled punk. Don’t let that incident keep you from helping the next guy that needs a hand up it sounds like you really went above and beyond.
😂 I dont hate any of the racers, and not because of this, but I’ve never seen what people like so much about KRoc to root for him over our own boys. This just knocks him down a peg in my “who I’m rooting for” book in my head. Always liked how Ping comes off. I don’t know either of them though, so have nothing against Kenny. I’m just talking about my book lol
Exactly! Our American racers come first. Not these foreigners. 💪🏻🇺🇸
Common courtesy ping ,shame on Kenny
Not gonna lie your totally right.dont matter who you are if someone goes out there way to help you out say thanks. Wow Kenny is p.o.s for that.
Fair call Brother.
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Amen - character……it really does mean something - shameful!
Seems a bit immature from 94.
Well ping did release the fake rumor about his drug tests at WSX. Not saying it’s right either way but I get where they are coming from.
This just confirmed how weird it was to see a rider thanking himself on the podium. That goes for ANY rider. I've never seen that before in any sport. I also don't wanna see that again. Ping isn't wrong in any way about this whole thing. I'm no longer going to feel bad for Kenny. I was pulling for the guy earlier this season, but no more.
Pull for our own American racers, pal! ✌🏻🇺🇸
I have known Ping and his family for quite a long time and when he says he will get something done he does everything and more to make that happen.. Knowing that there was so much effort put into a bike that someone was letting me use to race, not to mention I think he took 2nd place that day, I may be wrong I'm old forgive me , but I know the bike rocked so not just saying thank you as a man is like spitting in his face. Who the fuk taught the dude manners? and here I was pulling for him this year on the Suzuki. Now he can just pound sand.
Look Ping straight into the eyes , shake his hand and say thank you. That would be the minimal acceptable behavior for sure. There are two sides to every story . There must be some details left out here.
saying thank you must be a lot of work
Totally agree ping. No respect and no manners. He's gonna loose a lot of fans and support. That equals loosing $.
I gotta say, I used to love Roczen. Outside of Tomac he may have been my favorite rider on the track. But after all the drama that went down last summer, and him leaving HRC, a team that stood by him through some of the worst situations a rider could go through. And it wasn’t even that he left HRC, if he’d just said, “thanks for everything y’all have done, but I think I’m going to switch to a different team” it’d be fine. But he leaves them, trashes their bike, and disses the crap out of them. Obviously the bike wasn’t that bad, Chase Sexton came within what? 20 minutes of beating Tomac for the outdoor title? Then he tries every bike from a Cobra 50cc to the Suzuki he ended up on. And it just started to feel like he was less testing out different teams, and more trying to be sure the spotlight stayed on him. After everything in the offseason with him, I just lost a ton of respect for the guy.
Just say thank you Ken.
Why would he thank Ken?
He has to thank you first ping
Its a shame especially being a Roczen fan. But people do suck and a thank you can be so simple. Sad. Makes the Honda rumors sound more believable
Kenny is still a child. U see how he complains about EVERYTHING
Fair call Ping.
Good thing he has the state job. This is going to hurt his free enterprise. This was childish and emotional. He better trade his feelings for thinking.
An emotional child goes public with stuff like this, not a rational adult.
@EarthSurferUSA totally disagree, if people didnt go public how would we ever know than Ellen Degeneras was such an A Hole?
@@EarthSurferUSA the emotional child is the one in the comments replying to everyone pretending he has some inside knowledge to disprove this take.
Any chance Ken simply didn't know it was Pingree's bike? Definitely seems like there's more to this story
Exactly what I’m thinking too. Really doesn’t seem like Ken.
No chance. It was out that it was Pings bike before it was loaned out, or Kroc even saw it.
@@Chadispro1 That it really doesn’t seem like the whining german? LOL! dude’s a tool who’s always burning bridges. GTFO!
He knew. He asked if he could buy it from me after the weekend.
@@davidpingree9254 wow, I wanted to give him benefit of the doubt, but that's just sleezy. Thanks for the clarification.
Is Ping kicking off a new TV show?
Gonna compete with Opera and The View?
:)
So we all just realized David Pingree is ALSO a narcissist
Underrated comment
Couldnt disagree more, Ping has done a tonne for the sport and the fact hes an emergency responder speaks for itself
Please explain? What about Ping screams narcissist? I’m really curious.
So, we all just realized how clueless YOU are.
Its the creepy uncle mustache..don't take it personally....we all have a creepy uncle.
This makes me not like kenny. I always was a fan but man ping is right.
There must be more to this story.🧐
Ping , you got your feelings hurt poor baby.
Never give someone a present and expect one in return !
Be a man.
A simple thank you in return is common courtesy. If this story holds truth, Roczen is a POS for it. It wouldn’t surprise me if it is true. Roczen thinks he’s gods gift to the moto community and he really isn’t anything close. He’s a major disappointment and a what could’ve been to the sport. The day he retires is the day the sport rids a cancer to it.
More like never give someone a present and expect a thank you lol
He wasn’t expecting a present in return he was wanting a simple thank you. Obviously you need to watch and listen to the video to even understand anything. That is what a man does. Not sure why you were raised to be selfish and greedy.
Pingree is an actual cool mfer... #FuxkKRoc
Hold it, Ping... Ken has always worked with companies that benefit greatly from his using their products... The culture was, "I go risk my neck, and you all sell boatloads of the products you give." Thus a mindset of You pay me & I benefit you... even steven at the end of the day.
Here the dynamic was different. This was a personal deal at an event that is nothing more than a little sideshow circus event. I think he just felt that you weren't paying him to ride a bike which was probably the first time in his life this dynamic was present.
Ping, you expected too much for too little, and Ken, once this was brought to your attention, a sincere thank you is free and classy...
This is classic "sounds good" stuff; however, no one stopped to make a plan with expectations up front... Verbal agreements are riff with each party hearing what they want to hear when bantering things about.
In the future, Ping, sit down and meticulously count the costs, assign duties and responsibilities, and be sure expectations are clearly documented and aligned... then say yes or no.
I say this with great empathy for Ken, for this reminded me that the last season I raced for a sponsor was on a 79 YZ 250... I never stopped to thank the owner when I turned his bike in at the end of the season... Could be YZ 250s cause blindspots of reconsideration? Woo, that sounds stupid... I too was too focused on the love of my life... me.
Ummm. Ken roczen comes off as a TOTAL narcissist
Yeah, but I think most pro athletes are tbh.
Better believe it. Zee whining german is a tool!
Need a second side to know all of this....Ken's view would help understand... anytime you " lend " a bike it can go 2 ways...Good or Bad...or in the Middle i guess..hell 1000 ways !! anyways..it is never going to work out in most cases.... " Not a Lender..or Borrower..Be " is an old saying....Truth
Come on now, that's asking lot to know both sides of the story before commenting or taking a side. That's not the way of the "new" america. Look at the comments. People aren't interested in both sides, only the first side.
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I'm Canadian...lol
guess that is why i need both stories or versions to decide...i'm also old...😉
@@garymallard4699 nah, your way uses common sense. It's the correct way.
Hey Garry I let Stu use my CR500 for the 1997 Austin Manitoba Nationals and I can’t remember if he thanked me or not !! Sort of like this will be forgotten bout over time !!