Why THIS Is The Worst Harry Potter Movie
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- Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024
- The Harry Potter franchise will forever be loved by generations of fans. Every Harry Potter fan has their favorite book, or movie, but generally a love for the entire series has grown the franchise into a world wide juggernaut.
Though towards the end of the movie franchise, one movie specifically stands out as the absolute worst Harry Potter movie.
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This book is my favorite. This movie is the worst, not because of not being exactly like the book, but because it fundamentally CHANGES the story in multiple instances, changes the motivations of characters, and the emphasis of key moments is all out of whack. The Ron/lavender situation is not that important…(compared to other things you wanna see in a film adaptation)
Ron/Lavender was extremely important. It shows that Ron gets wenches
@@Set451 there is that I suppose. If we are talking about the romances I’m more mad about how they botched Harry/Ginny. Come on, it happens after quidditch cup not at the end of the movie…
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Same here: favorite book/least favorite movie. If any book needed two movies, it was this one
@@kylewood2715 hard agree!
When reading the first book, I KNEW Ron and Hermione would be together. After the second book, I KNEW Harry and Genny would be together...I just felt it...
My biggest gripe was the attack on the Weasley house by Bellatrix and Greyback. There is just no way in hell Voldemort wouldn’t go there himself to kill Harry if the defences were weak enough for his minions to get through. One of the main points in the series was the importance of Harry staying with his Aunt so there would be protection strong enough to keep him safe. But it was thrown away for “an action scene.”
Eh, I like Voldemort....but the more I analyze the character, the more I realize that he isn't that good at being an evil mastermind and would definitely pass up an opportunity to kill Harry at the Burrow with zero defenses lol
Here are my examples (I'm very sorry for how long it is, but i am passionate about calling out Moldyvort's dumb moments).
- He organizes the overly complicated Goblet of Fire conspiracy, where he has to patiently wait for Harry to complete a dangerous tournament for an entire school year just to have a shot at reclaiming his physical form and killing Harry at the cemetery....when he could've just sent Pettigrew or Barty Jr to kidnap Harry while he sleeps or something (they're sneaky so I'm sure they would be able to find a way to get Harry out of Hogwarts without apparition)
-He keeps idiot servants like Lucius Malfoy on his team despite him being an obvious liability and a complete failure at literally everything he has tasked him with.
-He invents flight via dark magic, but the existence of apparition makes it basically pointless.
-He sends his minions to steal the prophecy from the department of mysteries because going to the ministry himself would blow his cover and reveal his return.........but then at the end of the book he just says "screw it" and goes into the Ministry to fight Dumbledore and ends up revealing himself to Fudge and the other Ministry members like an idiot 😅
-He keeps all of his Horcruxes hidden in various parts of the UK (which is a relatively small area) when he could've just hidden them in remote locations in several parts of the world. If Voldemort had hidden the diadem in Antarctica or something, then Harry would've been screwed.
-He waits till the end of every school year to attack Harry and his friends instead of being unpredictable and attacking Harry at literally any other point in the year to throw him off.
- Voldemort insists on using Avada Kedavra to kill Harry instead of just using basically any other deadly tactic to do it. He could stab him, drown him using the Imperius curse, throw a giant rock at him....ANYTHING!
-He chose important artifacts to be his Horcruxes to make the eventual treasure hunt easier for Harry and his friends.....when he could've just taken something like a normal rock...made it a Horcrux....and thrown it into a massive pile of rocks.....rinse and repeat six more times.
-He sends Narcissa (the lady that isn't even an active member of his terrorist group and whose child he traumatized for an entire year) to check on Harry's corpse instead of sending someone more trustworthy to do it.
- He's powerful enough to fight Albus Dumbledore but not powerful enough to keep his nose and hair....big L
@@lechocolat3783 I think you’re missing a few details.
Your first point, up until the World Cup, Barty Crouch Jr. was kept under the imperious curse under an invisibility cloak in his father’s house and Pettigrew is supposed to be dead and Dumbledore would be on the look out after the events of the previous book. He learned about the tri wizard tournament from Bertha Jorkins, a character murdered in the book, and the point was to get Harry away from Dumbledore, and Dumbledore doesn’t just let that happened.
To be fair, Lucius was one of the first to defect after Voldemort’s disappearance, and Voldemort punished those who managed to stay out of Azkaban. He gave Lucius a chance to redeem himself with mission to get the prophecy, only for him to fail, and spend a year in Azkaban. But the reason he keeps Lucius is a similar reason Wormtail joined, to be on the winning side.
There are different types of magical travel. Brooms, portkeys, apperation. Voldemort just learned how to fly without a broom, but it was the same thing the Order did during the battle of the ministry. And no, flying without a broom doesn’t make apparition obsolete, apperation gets you there faster.
Because the order became involved. Also he joined the battle after he learned the others failed. And a prophecy can only be retrieved by those the prophecy was made to. Voldemort gets Harry to go to the department of mysteries to get the prophecy, and the death eaters get the prophecy from him and the underestimate a group of school kids.
All the places Voldemort has his horcruxs hidden are places that have significance to him, the cave where he traumatized those kids, the house of Gaunt since the Gaunt family was the last descendants of Slytherin himself. The diary was made as a weapon to open the chamber of secrets,
The LeStrange’s vault in Gringotts, and the room of requirement, meanwhile Nagini stayed with him.
Most of the school year Dumbledore is keeping an eye on Harry. And Hogwarts is one of the most protected places in the country.
Avada Kedavra is an instant kill. Literally you are dead before you hit the ground. And Voldemort absolutely hated anything that connected him to the muggle world.
Dumbledore explained why you don’t use a regular item as a hot up in the books. And Voldemort wanted the things that connected him to the wizarding world. And considering how Voldemort viewed himself, of course he would go after the founder’s items since Hogwarts was his home.
Because he’s been humiliating the Malfoys the whole book. He uses their home as his lair, uses Lucius’s wand, tasked Draco with killing Albus Dumbledore for Lucius’s failure at the ministry. And Narcissa hadn’t shown reason not to be trustworthy.
And his transformation was from ripping his soul into multiple pieces.
@@lechocolat3783 You're just evidencing his main character flaw: hubris. Some of your points are also reaches or incorrect. In GoF, breaking into Hogwarts is already a tall order, then you're talking about smuggling a kid out of there. How are they gonna do that? Even IF they were able to kidnap Harry, then the world would instantly know Voldemort was back. Voldemort wanted his return on the down low. He wanted to kill Harry and pin his death on the tournament, so he could have time to muster his strength. Also, their plan, while convoluted, still worked anyways.
Voldemort invents flight, not because of any practical purpose, but because of his aspirations of godhood. Gods should be able to fly, so that's why Voldemort wants to do it. It's the same reason he made his horcruxes from important historical items. He's too self important to make horcruxes out of random objects, they have to mean something. Same reason why he doesn't just apparate to the US and buys an AR-15 to shoot Harry, it would be beneath him. Voldemort "lost" to baby Harry when using Avada Kedavra, it is imperative to him that he kills Harry using that same spell. Having to resort to any other methods is belittling to him.
One of the things that really annoy me is that the death eaters fly around. In Deathly Hallows, Voldemort has mastered the art of flying. Making the Death Eaters able to do it ruins the power of Voldemort and how strong he is.
It's also annoying that when they kill Dumblebore, there was supposed to be a huge fight in Hogwarts, we never got to see that and that was a huge let down after reading the book.
I also hate the color "filter" in this movie.
I think you can blame Goblet of Fire for the flying death eaters.
@@adarshbs7259 Well, not sure. They apparate and they land on the graveyard. So I dont think they're supposed to be flying.
@@LennartWaldemar well that style of apparition they developed became the norm in order of the phoenix. This apparition/smoke gliding was the movie version even for the order members. But of course as said in the video nothing is as bad as skipping through Voldemort's backstory which was basically what the movie was supposed to be about.
Yes! This always bugged me. It overpowers them way too much. You already have the Order taking a more pacifist route by refusing to kill any of the death eaters. How would they ever stand a chance when the bad guys are not only willing to torture and murder their captors but are also able to fly?! It makes no sense.
I remember reading the Deathly Hallows as a kid and being like "OH SHIT" when it got to the Voldemort flying bit.
Also hard agree on the sepia filter. I think it could have been SO effective to use it in the first DH film when they start wearing the horcrux to illustrate how it was draining all the hope and joy from life and emphasize how heavy a burden it was.
the flying thing really bothered me as well, although they introduce that in goblet of fire i think first and it's definitely used in order of the phoenix. i agree it's stupid and they never explain why they can do it or why "good guys" can't or won't. like fenrir greyback is out here flying but dumbledore can't? just dumb
In what world did the OBVIOUS romantic interest between Hermione and Ron surprise anyone? lol. I read the books as they came out, it was extremely obvious the whole way along. Harry and Ginny, yeah that one wasn't as built up, but Ron and Hermione were obvious from basically the beginning. Rowling even said that if you didn't catch her "hints" by then she didn't know how to help you. The issue isn't the source material. The movies made Ron a buffoon and made Hermione a super hero. THAT is why it they had written themselves into a box.
right? i was agreeing with the whole video up until this and then i had to pause cause, boy, did y'all skip the yule ball????
@@Larucos seems like another case of "acting smart about harry potter without actually paying attention to harry potter, not mention to knowing the books".
There's the famous case of Ron standing up for Hermione on The Prisoner of Azkabam after Snape asked a question in class and she gave a perfect answer, only for the movie adaptation to change it for "He's got a point, y'know?"
Also she was clearly disappointed in him for not inviting her to the "prom" in The Goblet of Fire, and Ron is so obviously jealous of Viktor Krum is ridiculous. Even the movie gets this right.
So yeah, Ron x Hermione was pretty obvious from a very early stage.
They get it half right. Yeah the reason for Ron’s jealousy is exactly the same, but the movie butchered what happens as a result of his jealousy. In the book Hermione confronts Ron after the Ball is over and they end up shouting at each other over it.
What does the movie do? Ron is portrayed as a petty jerk who spoils Hermione’s night and reduces her to sobbing alone on the grand staircase.
The movie’s went out of their way to make Ron more like Malfoy as they progressed. He’s a complete jerk who goes out of his way to insult his supposed friends. It’s the thing I hate most about his character in movies.
In the books Ron is a bit ignorant and his insecurities manifest as jealousy but he is incredibly good at strategy and loyal to both Harry and Hermione.
Even in the last book with his temporary leaving the hunt. It’s made clear that he is worried about his family above everything else and Harry who dismisses these concerns tells him to leave.
What do we get in the movie? Ron again being a total jerk and making his leaving about romantic jealousy.
“You’re parents are dead you have no family.” The fact that this was written in movie makes me sick, because even under the influence of the Horcrux Ron would never say anything so disrespectful to his best friend.
Ron was done so wrong in the movies I’m glad a TV adaptation is coming because they can fix it.
@@joshz2491 agreed. It just goes to show that every time they had a chance of portraying his bad side (he can be a jerk sometimes, remember the "this is why she has no friends" line), they escalate it to the the extreme, and then they shy away of portraying his best qualities, such as his extreme loyalty.
It makes their relationship feel kinda weird in the movies because one side has all these great points (genius, brave, outspoken) while the other brings almost nothing to the table.
Goblet of Fire is the absolute worst for me. The entire conceit of the story is that the bad guys only need Harry to touch an object. That’s it. That’s the entire thrust of the film. So in order to achieve that goal they rig a magical tournament (by bypassing Dumbledore’s own spell), feed Harry clues in order to help him win, hope he doesn’t get killed by a dragon or drown… oh, and they also assume the Triwizard Tournament won’t be canceled and that the tampering with the Goblet won’t be investigate by Dumbledore or the Ministry.
All to get Harry to touch an object. That’s ALL THEY NEED. They just need Harry to touch an object. They chose the most convoluted way possible to achieve the simplest goal imaginable: get some dumb kid to touch an object.
I just can’t.
The main problem of the series as a whole is that JK invented too many magical solutions that make a lot of what the characters do downright nonsensical. Riddle me this: in a world with Veritaserum or polyjuice potion, why does Dumbledore need to convince Harry to get him to ask Slughorn something?
Why don’t the Weasleys even TRY to put out the fires consuming their home using magic…? Why doesn’t the trio even TRY to heal Dobby?
Characters simply don’t even try to solve issues using the readily available magic tools, and since there isn’t a clear magic system outlining the limits to their use, as a viewer you’re like “…did they establish some kind of limitation I’m not remembering? Or are the characters forgetting they are wizards…?”
@@izzynobreDumboldore cleary explained to Harry in the book that Horace Is a very powerful mage and potionist Who has already prepared a lot of protections against the veritaserum. The reason Why They didn't even try to heal Dobby Is because They could not do anything for him, he died in less then a minute because the knife hit him in the chest. Talking about the Weasley that stupid Attack didn't happen in the book, It Doesn't make any sense
To me, the main problem with this film is that it chooses to overshadow the seriousness and importance of the book with the comedy and teen drama that feels like a forced Netflix show, it has a similar problem as the MCU where it seems to focus mainly on the teen drama and comedy
You see, all the other movies are serious - Distinctly and especially from the third, and it's more pronounced with the fourth (Chris Columbus' first two films understandably feel like family-friendly adventure fare), so I think the light-hearted romance angle with some heavy hitting action mostly at the end, gives the film a wonderfully unique identity, ultimately being refreshing.
I personally really really liked that it has some light and teenage fun moments, considering how dark Orden Of The Phoenix was with Umbridge controlling the school. It felt like the kids got to enjoy themselves again after such a bad time
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It was definitely an odd and jarring choice to emphasise the comedy and lightheartedness of the story with such dark colouring and the overrall tone of the film. I couldn't take either seriously because of the contrast.
I have to say, I think you're mistaken. Without the comedy and teen drama, the edgy suspense is happening to bland and emotionless characters we don't care about. This is why the MCU formula works despite audience fatigue. The problem isn't that it was a bad way to do things. The problem was that it was a good way to do things but they commercialized it and tried to do it so much that it became annoying and also that the rate that they started pushing them out caused a lot of them to be rushed and therefore not have the proper lead up or pay off or either. People got to peak behind the curtains and see that Mr. Oz is not all that fascinating after all. Quite, this movie is easily the best of the series and would have been even better without the attack on the burrow scene.
Having a Harry Potter without the comedy and teen drama is like having a Fast and Furious movie without the family. It's just a bunch of action that you can't bring yourself to care about unless you're completely braindead. While there is a big market for that judging by the last 5 or so FnF movies. That doesn't make it good. That just makes it profitable. Which is good in it's own way, sure. But also really stupid.
Just saying, the relationship between Ron and Hermione was telegraphed as early as the 3rd book with big strides made in the 4th. Also, Ginny has been sweet on Harry since her first appearance, it just took Harry's relationship with Cho Chang falling apart and Ginny exploring relationships with other students for him to notice her.
Is it implied/telegraphed in the movie? If it did, I didn't notice.
@@thinkinginsideout4053 It isn't. But the video claims this was the fault of the book too, and the OP is disproving that
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@thinkinginsideout4053 it's definitely telegraphed in the 3rd film with that little line from Hermione to Ron outside the Shrieking Shack, "should we move a bit closer?" which flusters Ron who misunderstands Hermione's suggestion to get closer to the shack.
@@indy-fs6de did not notice that
Hermione and Ron definitely didn’t come out of nowhere. What about their huge fight in GoF over Victor Krum?!
and over Harry's new broom on book 3.
I'd go so far as to say that Harry and Ginny didn't come out of nowhere either. Ginny always had a crush on him.
@@angelicasmodel Ginny having a crush on Harry was pretty much her defining feature for books 2-3.
She basically became a background character for a bit in the books, being Neville's date to the Yule Ball and getting a boyfriend. Which allowed for her to basically be re-introduced in Book 5 as a more mature and sassy character. I'm afraid I don't recall if the Order of the Phoenix movie made that a priority though. You tell me.
I don't think it was well executed in the movies. And I also felt like they had zero chemistry. It was just awkward IMO.
The romances in the series are awful
ok, but i have to disagree with Ron and Hermione coming out of nowhere in the sixth book, their feelings for each other being a point of stress was a huge deal during the yule ball and everyone was already kinda expecting them to become endgame from that point forward
They didn’t have feelings for each other at the Yule Ball Ron was salty that Hermione was with Viktor Krum Hermione wasn’t romantically interested in Ron at all in book 4
@@Yvanehtnioj2000 you are very oblivious. Ron was fangirling Krum like crazy until the second he showed up with Hermione, and she was clearly upset that Ron didn't think of asking her to the ball as his obvious choice. If you miss this nuance in their fight, it makes little sense. Hermione even yells that at him, that he should've asked her first if he didn't like that she was with someone else, and Harry mentally agreed that this was exactly it.
@@Yvanehtnioj2000Clear you are thick-headed as Ron and Harry in matters of romance.
@@ToothlessPotter lmfao why y’all always gotta try and insult someone for being wrong or having a difference of opinion smh it’s not that deep sir
0:15 I would argue the Goblet of Fire did that. The Triwizard Tournament, Cedric's death and an almost fatal duel with Voldemort raised the stakes to life or death levels.
The opening scene is someone being murdered
When harry almost fell from his broom it was life or death stakes. What are you talking about? Hougwarts was always the worst place to keep a child at, you can die by slipping off the vanishing stares and breaking your neck.
Exactly!
There's actually some serious notes on Prisioner of Azkaban as well. Sirius and Remus almost murder Peter. There's the whole notion of betrayal and war-like decisions involved.
@@burieddreamer bruh, the prisoner of azkaban was the one where there absolutely was no threat at all the entire time, and only harry's one stupid insistence on not killing peter has caused any problem in the first place
You made me remember something I couldn't really recall anymore. I got out of the movie theater with my friends complaining about how the movie didn't serve any of the book's explanation on why Snape was the Half-Blood prince.
I felt the same way about details cut from Azkaban, even though it's still my favorite of the films. The movie leaves out almost all of the backstory of James and friends, becoming animagi, and the Marauder's Map, which (I think) robs it of some of the emotional core of that book. Knowing that the Marauders are James, Sirius, Peter, and Lupin helps Harry build his relationship to Lupin and Sirius, and gives him some sense of connection to family he was missing. The movie cuts all of that down to an efficient big reveal at the end, and a few lines between Sirius and Harry about Harry coming to live with him. In a minor detail, we also learn in the book why Harry's Patronus is a stag.
Still, I think that Prisoner holds up way better because it doesnt cut as muchor cuts things that can be saved or implied in other ways. Its structured way better and takes itself way more seriously
@@julianpradarodriguez7336 agreed. It has enough going on and focuses on our 3 heroes on a way that still works. It's still my favorite of the films.
Goblet of Fire (the movie, not the book) fares just as poorly as HBP. An obvious example is Dumbledore's characterization, but the reframing of the whole mystery subplot is terrible. The mystery is simple and almost obvious, without nearly as many nuances and details as in the book. Barty Jr. is shown from the very beginning. Just too many stupid decisions and cut scenes, and while I can respect David Yates for trying to experiment and create a tonally dynamic movie with Half Blood Prince, (even if I think he didn't succeed) I'm just shocked by Mike Newell, who was too lazy to even read the books
Don't forget Deathly Hallows completely ignoring Voldemort's family history. Before I've read the books, I never knew Voldemort's family and the significance of the horcruxes because the movies never mentioned them.
@@One.Zero.One101 you're right, I had completely forgotten about that!
The Ron And Hermione romance DID NOT come out of nowhere. It pretty obvious from the first book forward. Even the Harry and Ginny thing wasn't out of nowhere. Ginny had a big crush on Harry in The Chamber of Secrets.
The worst thing in this movie is color! It's too dark and very unpleasant.
Agreed! The later films are just unwatchable.
For me it’s exactly this what makes it so good
Stuff like this is actually a reason I'm cautiously optimistic about the HBO series. It can include the very necessary points the movies were forced to leave out in order to fit their 1.5hr runtime, and even add more to potentially flesh out the things that weren't properly set up in the books.
*Assuming Zaslav doesn’t decide to turn that into a tax writeoff
I am not optimistic.
It is TV so I am sure it will just expound on the unnecessary romantic details in the books that didn't make it into the movies with good reason. It was wise of the filmmakers to whittle down the romantic sub plots into brief exchanges, like Pansy Parkinson and Fleur Delacour. They did a good job suggesting and implying the changes in relationships with limited screen time. Harry Potter with always be quite a spectacular example of adaptation.
The Harry Potter series was a on a roll where all the films were quite excellent
And it was a phenomenon they managed to pull everything together in such a way.
The glaring exception being the Half Blood Prince which is barely even watchable. It is just torrid and awful.
The thing is TV shows have the 'potential' to be better adaptations, but we all know that potential is not always realized. Plus the comparisons to the legendary actors are unavoidable. For many people, Maggie Smith, Alan Rickman, Robbie Coltrane, will always be the definite versions of the characters.
I just think it’s hilarious they ignored Bonnie Wright and Ginny for three movies and then had the audacity to act like Harry and Ginny coming together in this movie was earned.
Like no you didn’t. You made Ginny a glorified extra and then made her romance with Harry not hit AT ALL.
I honestly find this movie to be a nice "relatively back to normal" school year during most of the movie after the serious #5 and odd school year of #4. A little relief before the super seriousness of the two end movies.
IKR. It was my favorite film bc except for the end, it was what I imagined school life at Hogwarts would have been if it wasn't for Voldemort. It was really what I was waiting for in the series. Teenagers being teenagers at a boarding school.
Never forget that David Yates just can't infuse images with magic. They always look bleak and gloomy, but not in a good way, just desaturated. The compositions are often ok, the color grading and use of color is a nightmare.
Agreed! Prisoner of Azkaban was bleak, but arguably more magical than the first two!
Yep. His movies look super dull and "dark" just on a surface level, whereas the books get darker and darker in tone but the magic still remains.
The Goblet of Fire was the perfect balance.
I couldn't say it better myself!
Yep, and sketchy scenes that don't flow, and the huge preference for muggle clothes instead of the robes.
Eh....I disagree it looked bleak and gloomy in a good way really not just desaturated. It isn't really a nightmare, it's just darker really.
I see David Yates and I yell "AVADA KEDAVRA".
Leaving out the Battle of Hogwarts just to shoe horn in the attack on the Burrow was the world's largest nail in the coffin afaic 🤬
Honestly, some of these problems inherently stem from the books, and I'm telling this as a die-hard Potterhead. The sixth book does delve into teenage romances a lot more than the others, and the seventh does contain the "questing" element. It is what it is, you can't really hide it. My main problems with the Half-Blood Prince are the watered down color scheme and just how slow it moves. It also somehow feels like the script always focuses on the wrong elements of the story...
This definitely isn't the movie that bridges the gap between kids movies and adult ones. Obviously it is The Goblet of Fire, they quite literally say it at the end of that movie.
And come on, the cinematography, how could they do such dusty calibration ? There is absolutely no color in the movie, just this grey everywhere, horrible to watch, a "fake" attempt to create that tense atmosphere than the script and the whole film could not reach
I agree that it's not the best in terms of the main plot, but as a standalone movie it's far from the worst for me.
What about when compared to the book?
8th movie is the worst imo
4th is the worst for me
Agreed, for me the 5th was the worst
The hell version did YOU see?
I just reread all the Harry Potter books now as an adult and they really did drop the ball. Probably the best book and has so much depth, especially for Voldemort. Shame that they didn’t include almost any of it.
I thought all the stuff with quidditch and casual things around Hogwarts was a bit too much repeating of the other books. It was not that interesting anymore with the war coming. The pace of the book was therefore too slow for me. The adaptation of the books is very hard to put in a single movie. Apart from "the hafblood-prince" I found "the goblet of fire" an exaggerated action movie with hardly a compelling story line. Ron was almost a side character in that movie.
For the commenters, the Ron and Hermione ship felt out of nowhere because while small hints were thrown at their relationship, giant flags were being waved for the Harry and Hermione ship. Kloves definitely has his favorite character in mind. (ehem Hermione)
Ohh ur so true on this ... Dude was pushing Harry & Hermione all the way upto end of deathly hallows part 1 and then suddenly realised " Damn , this was supposed to Canon 😮 !!! ”
And expected people who saw only movies to just accept it & Book readers to impress by that .
As someone who only watched the movies, I believe up until this point of the Half-Blood Prince, everything was quite easy to follow and made sense. This movie made me feel as if I was missing something, and I was not "in" on the culture of the films enough, the books, the community. Looks as if my feelings were perfectly placed in reality.
It was like the first 3-4 movies really placed me in the universe. And the last 3 had me looking outside of it, a bystander.
The films were really on a winning streak. 5 excellent films. Goblet of Fire was actually quite good it was just corny because, believe it or not, Harry Potter is a fantasy.
They were all quite good up until the Half Blood Prince blunder was churned out.
Someone commented on how HBP was more risky.
But not in the right way, and the risk did not pay off. Really not relevant to the events in the book. The whole focus should have been on the mystery of the potions book and the horcruxes.
As a fellow film watcher only, this perfectly describes how I felt as well!
@@jesseleeward2359 Goblet of fire was probably one of the movies I replayed the most! I loved the competition aspect, the high, dangerous stakes, the different settings of the games. I wouldnt even say it was corny, although I should give it a rewatch!
Saying Harry/Ginny and, even wilder, Romione, came out of nowhere is nuts, both those things were absolutely set up in previous books
Everyone already said plenty about romione, but harry/ginny was not all that sudden, ginny has always been interested in harry as was abundantly set up in books 1 and 2, and then starting in goblet of fire, there were always scenes of them being shown to get along, the main reason the romance wasnt convincing in the movies is that they didnt bother to give ginny any grace when in the books shes clearly lively and idependent
Well they were obsessed with Hermione and didn't wanted the limelight being shift or shared to Ginny . So 😢 just messed it up really bad !
Is pretty implicit in the previous books that Ginny had a crush on Harry, but he only started to grow feelings towards her after he and Cho broke up.
I still remember pausing this movie a million times to explain left out details to my girlfriend
How did that go?
@@philipbriggs8713he’s single now
It's ironic that the movie that Steve Kloves didn't write, the Order of the Phoenix, is imo the best movie in terms of adaptation. OoTP is the longest book in the series, and the adaptation was actually better than the source material.
Order of the Phoenix is the worst film. Just hot garbage. Longest book, shortest film. "Prince" was at least somewhat redeeming from that craptastic 5th installment. But let's talk about the bigger picture: David Yates is an awful director. None of his Potter films were memorable, they were all generic. His Fantastic Beasts films were even more generic. The only reason he kept a job was because he got along with Jo and they formed a friendship. By no means did he ever have significant vision for this franchise. I would posit that the studio liked him, too, because he kept things simple, and brought in the films on time and budget. But they were flavorless compared to Columbus, Curon and Newell's efforts, and were sardonic and boring. The first 2 films felt like they brought the books to life. The next two films felt like they brought a lot of character and design to the world building while keeping the spirit and frivolity alive. The last FOUR films were a mediocre mess.
"BRUH, NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE SHIT SHOW THAT WAS THE GOBLET OF FIRE," he said calmly. The director said, "I didn't even read the book. It was so big and really boring."
This is the worst movie don't get me wrong, but all of the Harry Potter movies suffer from the fact that they feel like they assume you've read the book.
So if you haven't you get lost in the series. Prisoner of azkaban does the same thing. I had to have this pointed out to me, but the movie doesn't explain that Harry's dad was an animagous or that he and his friends made the map. In the movie lupin seems to know what it is, but they don't tell you why.
If you hadn't read the books, then the movies are a hot mess.
Very poignant timing on this video! It's a tradition of ours to watch the Harry Potter movies during Christmas, and this year after rewatching I was reminded how much they botched this movie in particular compared to the book, along with all of the other key points you've mentioned (tone change, etc). Great summary and a great production from you guys in general as always.
Absolutely wild of you to suggest anyone in the fandom was surprised about Ron and Hermione. Congrats on revealing you definitely weren't (and aren't) an actual fan of the books.
Needed more of the Voldy flashbacks
The Hufflepuff’s cup one might’ve been important, considering it ends up being a Horcrux that becomes important in the Deathly Hallows Part 2.
Voldemort:"can i become the new Dark Arts teacher?"
Dumbledore:"No"
Kinda love the melancholy of this movie and is in my top 3 of all Potter movies
Same here. There’s something pretty about its bleakness
Rewatch this one the most
Just a great movie imo
Yeah it's my favourite
My fav too
This has definitely been my favorite movie to rewatch. It's the funniest one.
I am curious the reviews from people who read the books and people who didn’t.
For me I’m a huge fan of the books (I would reread the series every year for like 7 years). To me I wasn’t that upset the movies didn’t fully capture the entire book. To me it was cool having the story world of the books and then the alternate world of the movies. It built upon the story in different ways and showed me additional footage. I enjoyed having two different iterations of the same world to dive into.
The character assassination in the movies is what makes me hate them as an adult. Ron is dumb and increasingly jerk like towards Hermione and even Harry.
He is not like that at all, he is a smart strategist, extremely loyal to his friends and family, he may be insecure or insensitive at times but he’s not malicious or cruel
That’s just one of several characters butchered by Hollywood stereotypying
I feel the same. I see the books and movies as two separate entities, which I enjoy equally in different ways.
The movies are trash to me, bad acting bad dialogue some redeemable moments... nowhere near the quality of the books
I only read the first 3 books.
Even though i never read the 6t book, it feels like so much was left out idk😅 The first 4 movies feel well adapted and have enough material used for the movies. I have the feeling that since the 5th one the movies are less detailed and feel kinda rushed. The 6th and 7th part 1 are my least favourite i would say. Also the atmospheres of those movie dont feel so magical anymore…
When i read the first 3 books i felt like getting a extended version of the movies. I have the feeling if I read the later books it would feel like something totally different.
I like the movie a lot. I appreciate how at the beginning, the shot of Dumbledore’s hand clutching Harry’s shoulder is the whole movie. Harry is gonna try and live normal, but Albus’s grasp on him will both put him in danger and keep him protected.
THANK YOUU!! 🙏🏻 Every Potter fan and critic I've listened to for some reason like this movie... I could never bring myself to find any enjoyment out of it really, knowing how much better the book is.
I agree with most of what you said here, and i need to add another thing that they kept out, that in the book is somethig beautiful: Dumbledore's funeral. I just cant understand why they left such an emotional scene. Great video!
Finally Somebody said it! This is the worst and most disappointing! Goblet movie is the second disappointing!
I give it props for having a cool cinematography (minus the filter) and a great dark atmosphere.
After reading the book, I'm most disappointed we didn't get more flashbacks of Voldemort and his back story.
I actually dislike PoA more, mainly for similar reasons: The complete Marauder's backstory is cut from the movie. Yet it is very important to understand the plot of PoA and to understand the whole relationship between Harry's father, Peter Pettigrew, Lupin, Sirius and Snape. It's one single chapter that was needlessly cut from a movie which is now the shortest of all 8. It could have been great so easily, yet it wasn't. (Plus I don't like some visual decisions, like them wearing jeans all the time since the books tell us all the time that wizards never wear muggle clothes).
With HBP, I wonder if making 2 movies like with DH would have been the better decision. For one thing, the movie suffers from a lot of book content being cut. Including setting up the love story. (It didn't completely come out of nowhere for the book readers - Ginny was known for having a crush on Harry, Harry's relationship with Cho ended in disaster, so he was free to look elsewhere, and Ron and Hermione were simply always meant for each other, clear as day, that one was set up even before it became obvious in GoF) For another, the "unique" movie scenes make no sense. The flirt with the girl, wizards flying openly over London, the attack on the burrow and worst of all THAT KISS BETWEEN HARRY AND GINNY 5 MINUTES AFTER HE ALMOST KILLED MALFOY - the last thing on Harry's mind in the book at that instance is kissing. So yeah, it's pretty bad, but I still dislike PoA. Except for the music, of course. (Firing John williams from the series was the single biggest mistake the franchise ever made).
While i agree with your observations like Voldemort being given more time, i still love the movie.
See, one of my favourite parts in Harry Potter was the 'mundane' in Hogwarts. Attending classes, bickering, sports, exams, etc. The books were filled with so much stuff.
But in the films they gradually turned away from that and focused only on the plot. This film gives a nice relief before the serious stuff that's about to come.
While its very awkward at times, and i often feel like its wasting time, i do love the time spent in Hogwarts. Not to forget the acting and the overall look.
I agree w/the idea that the "books were filled with so much stuff." For example, the books showed us how Harry deals w/bullies--both young and old. They also showed us the Wizarding World's total separation from the Muggle world in terms of jurisprudence, law enforcement, penal system, economy, banking, governance, education, and other spheres. I also like how the kids were able to spend time in Hogsmeade, including visiting the candy store, Honeydukes, and the bar, The Three Broomsticks, for butter beer, a concoction that was never explained in either the books or the movies. If readers of this column ever visit Harry Potter World at Universal Studios Orlando, Hogsmeade and Diagon Alley are re-created from the movie at the park, including Ollivander's Wand Shop and Honeydukes. While visiting the latter shop a few years ago, I finally found out what Cauldron Cakes looked like (they were never shown in the movie or described in the books): they were shaped like cauldrons, orange in color, with frosted flames at the top of the cake. Unfortunately, I never got the chance to buy one or to try butter beer.
I disagree......Deathly Hallows part 2 mangles the book's ending so badly as to completely and entirely miss the societal implications of the way things played out.
Throughout the books and films I always found it super obvious that Harry and Ginny would end up together. Same with Ron and Hermoine, who bickered so much that it was all but spelled out.
You lost me at the end... Ron and Hermoine wasn't a schock in Half Blood prince... Not even a little bit.
They never should left out the wizard fight at the end. Yates stated it would’ve been overkill and ruin the last two movies.
What?!
That’d be like George Lucas saying take out the lightsaber battle in Clones as it’d be repetitive. Stupid!
As someone who never read the books, this was the moment they confused me the most.
Snape: "I am the Half-Blood Prince."
Is that important? What does it mean? We're never going to find out or mention it again?
I never liked this one. It feels more like a big-budget teen drama than a Harry Potter film
I will always say that HBP is the worst adapted movie. There's no way movie Deathly Hallows Harry Potter could find the Horcruxes using only what movie HBP Harry Potter learned.
Well, the Hermione-Ron story-line was pretty established in the books from Goblet of Fire to Half-Blood Prince (it did not come from nowhere). The Harry-Ginny thing, yes, was more of HBP stuff. Anyway, the film focused too much on teen drama shenanigans. When you can't just sum upo the (main or A) plot of the film in two sentences, the conflict is not really clear. And in this film we have like 3 plots competing for attention and with almost equal screen time dedicated to each one. That's a symptom of how disjointed the story became. It's a beautiful film from a technical point of view, but plodding from a narrative perspective.
You're one movie too late in my opinion. Absolutely butchered everything important in 5.
only bad things about this movie were the content cuts/additions and awkward romance performances, it was fine otherwise. has some really good stuff in it imo
Nope. Book 6 had some plot problems that movie 6 fixed and cleaned up. This is not the worst movie IMO. The problem movie for me is 5. It flat out ignores many of the plot points in book 5 including destroying the room of requirement which is necessary for the series ending. One of my favorite chapters in all of the books is when the twins leave Hogwarts. That chapter is a thrill ride of the boys getting back at the cat lady. In movie 5 that chapter is reduced to a couple of sparklers and firecrackers. That movie is one letdown after another for me. This one is OK.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽yessss i came to say 5 is the worst one of them all
For me movie 5 was the worst but its failure was partly because of the 4th film: Sirius’s death lacking emotional weight because we barely saw him in the 4th film and much of the discovery of the truth about Harry’s father in the 5th movie was heavily watered down and changed in a way that made no sense within the context of the 5th movie. This also ties into other problems with OoTP namely the removing of emphasis on the Occlumency lessons for Harry to block Voldemort from his mind and the entire logical justification for them going to the ministry of Magic in the final scene being changed to Harry merely having a vision of Sirius there.
On a side note, the scene where Hagrid describes going to negotiate with the giants could have easily benefitted from showing what happened as Hagrid was narrating it. It would have added tension and a sense of the growing threat.
The movie needed at least an additional 30 minutes to make sense. And less of the newsreel scene transitions. It over relied on it towards the end to the point it became headache inducing.
In The Order of the Pheonix, they actually did add a couple subtle moments in the film to suggest that Ginny was attracted to Harry. One when the gang is discussing where to practice magic without Umbridge knowing, you can see that Ginny constantly glances at Harry. The other when the "secret army" is dismissed for the holidays for less than a second the camera is focused on Ginny watching Harry approach a distraught Cho.
I think Order of the Phoenix and Half-blood Prince both suffer from being too long to be one movie, but too short to justify two movies. When you go from editing with a scalpel to a chainsaw, the product is going to suffer
It's kinda funny how The Order Of Phoenix is the longest book but the film seems to be the shortest one.
The Half-Blood Prince film has its moments, but GOD it's disjointed from the book on a BAFFLING level. Steve Kloves handled the first three well, but wobbled with the Goblet of Fire screenplay, and that wobble only got stronger with this one upon his return. Does anyone notice how like half the important stuff is gone in Half-Blood Prince, yet Michael Goldenberg managed to get like 95% of the crucial stuff into Order of the Phoenix script, resulting in the shortest film, despite it being the longest book?
I lost interest on the Harry Potter movies after ORDER OF THE PHOENIX
David Yates made the movies so lifeless
Unpopular but it's my one of the fav Harry Potter movie
Sure it is
I liked the Half Blood Prince book, so I’ve always been disappointed that so little of the book was retained in the film. There are only a few scenes that are remotely similar, with a lot of very questionable omissions, and bizarre additions like that pointless attack on the Burrow. I will admit it has some charms, and Jim Broadbent as Slughorn gives a solid performance.
Favorite book, least favorite movie.
Order of the Phoenix was the worst movie. Umbridge's cruelty was trivialized. That woman was evil.
My ex, who was a huge fan of the books and not the movies, pointed out one big thing. It was summarizing Tom Riddle becoming Voldermort in two minutes. This was the ultimate Voldermort story, and they paraphrased it.
I'm a cinema guy vs. books, so I never have issues with deviating from source material, especially with Harry Potter, which has so much going on. Yet, you built Voldermort up and then explained that his transformation in about two minutes was terrible and madening.
I think they expected the audience (kids and adults) to fill the plot holes, so they focused on the teen love drama.
I just finished re-reading the Harry Potter series. So good, and I hope the upcoming show does it some proper _justice._
Not only major things like this, but things like S.P.E.W. and Peeves!
Just give me Harry’s sass from the books and I will be happy
@@FranciscoOyola94 Maybe Dumbledore can _actually_ ask calmly, too
I feel like the movies took a lot of inspiration for young Tom Riddle from Damien in the Omen movies.
I found Half Blood Prince to be kinda forgettable, but I really hated Order of the Pheonix the most of all the movies. Literally the first 2 minutes of the movie sums up the experience for me; it's just constant misery and drama and it has absolutely no satisfactory payoff, it was more like a Harry Potter torture porn.
They cut out many cool things and added unnecessary cringe scenes. Like who tf wrote that Shoelace scene
Like many Potter fans, I read all the books before I saw any of the movies. I wish I had seen HBP BEFORE I read the book. It is a travesty to the books as the director obviously didn't care. Why didn't they just replace him ONCE with a director who would respect the source material? That's why I'm reluctant to watch movies based on great books like the Harry Potter series.
My wife is a HUGE Potter fan, and HBP is her fav book and Potter movie 😂
Steve kloves was trying to fix what happened in the fifth film. The order of the phoenix had a different screen writer and they changed so much of what happens in the book, that Kloves had to basically try and correct everything, which caused the sixth film to suffer.
I still think GoF is a slightly worse movie, but I still agree with your reasoning. They're the worst. And what hurts more is that those two books are my personal favorites.
I have to disagree with the love interest comment. Hermione and Ron was teased from at least Goblet of Fire and probably earlier.
Nah, only Goblet of Fire for sure.
As someone who likes HP and have only seen the movies a few times, this is the one I always forget everything about. 1-4 all have very unique and different plotlines and I remember them well. 5 is one I remember that I like more than I necessarily remember plot point to plot point. 7 and 8 also meld together. But I can't tell you anything that happened in 6 other than Harry and Dumbledore being in a boat.
Personally I think Movie 4 is even worse. But you can argue either way.
One major plot hole in the 6th movie is Dumbledore's knowledge of Horcruxes:
After seeing Slughorn's real memory Dumbledore states, that until this day he had no idea that the Diary was a Horcrux. But a few seconds later he shows Harry the destroyed ring.
1. Why would he search for the ring in the first place?
2. Why would he try to destroy it if he never heard of a Horcrux?
Then he reveals, that he found another Horcrux. Same question: Why would he search for a Horcrux if he never heard of the concept before ?
Let's look at the book version:
Once Harry brought Dumbledore the diary at the end of his 2nd year, Dumbledore knew that this was a Horcrux. Dumbledore wondered, why the diary was used as an offensive weapon. So he theorized that Voldemort must have made more Horcruxes. The memory of Slughorn was only a confirmation for Dumbledore's theory and it revealed the exact number of Horcruxes.
Also Dumbledore needed another few weeks after seeing the memory until he found the location of another Horcrux.
David Yates ruined Harry Potter, and they made him director of literally half of all the Potter movies!
I'd argue that the bridging was already gradually happening by Prisoner of Azkaban, and perhaps even slightly by Chamber of Secrets.
I've only read the 1st book but have seen the movies several times, and I always thought I was crazy for having this one be my least favorite. There was always something about it that made me hate it.
In my opinion the best thing about this movie was Silente death and also Jim Broadbent joining the cast because I always liked and enjoyed him as an actor. In "Iris" and "Moulin Rogue" did 2 excellent performances
Can we also talk about the abysmal lighting/color grading? Because I think we should.
For a while the discourse on the internet was that the 4th movie was the worst. Despite this I’ve always felt like the Half Blood Prince was the weakest of the bunch and I’m glad to see more people start to come to that conclusion. I feel like the 4th movie was a terrible adaptation of the book but still managed to make a compelling film despite that. The 6th movie is both a terrible adaptation and not a very compelling film in the series. Truly sad for one of the best books in the series
This is the first time I disagree, kind of. This is by far my favorite movie of the series. But, as connective tissue as a whole series it does feel disjointed. My opinion is Order of the Phoenix is the worse movie of the franchise. It’s the longest book but shortest movie and you can tell Steve Kloves didn’t write it.
I hate how JKR keeps saying "I meant for this to happen all along." It's the easiest thing to say in the world. Which is why I have never believed her once when she said it.
Well, in the case of Harry and Ginny's relationship, it is true that she planned it all along. It is well known that she wrote the epilogue very early on; and Rowling definitely wrote Order of the Phoenix with Ginny and Harry's relationship well in her mind. There is even a planning sheet for the book that was published, and one of the columns was entitled "Cho/Ginny".
Half blood prince is my favorite hp book but the movie version was so bad I almost didn't go see the final movies and I am a huge hp fan that has read all the books many times. Also watch the movies often except half blood prince. Just makes me angry how they ruined it.
This movie and book maid me realize that the series should be given a show that can go more in depth
Because the HBP's main point was to know Voldy's background. And the movie literally gave zero fk about that.
I respectfully disagree that the "Half-Blood Prince" was the worst. I think that the Order of the Phoenix was the worst, w/that horrible headmistress Doroles Umbridge and the death of Sirius Black. I loved the book, though, b/c it showed us how Tom Riddle became who he was, the most dangerous dark wizard, more so than Grindelwald.
FANTASTIC BEASTS would've stand a chance if they got a different director instead of keeping David Yates
While each of his four Harry Potter movies had an identity of their own, all 3 Fantastic Beasts looked the same
As a film director, that's the point. The movies should look and feel like they're sequels from each other, not just told that it is.
How about how Dumbledore, in that movie scene in the cafe, had Harry rudely stand up that waitress? Whatever else you could say about him, Albus was the most polite person, even to his enemies, in the books. He would've at least had Harry meet her and explain a family emergency or something happened before leaving. ("My eccentric grandfather, who's off his meds, came to get me." She looks and sees an old man in a weird robe.)
I’ve been a huge HP lover since I was a kid, and I always felt guilty bc I couldn’t get past how bad this movie was. This is validating lmao
It's because all of them were quite excellent. The series was a triumph five films in a row. This one took unnecessary risks and they did not pay off. I think they were not focused on the one book but maybe were distracted by the whole series. I don't know
This movie more than most makes me wonder if HP could be made into an HBO series with each season being one book. Fully fleshed out with better acting. Really could be Max’s only chance to reclaim the magic that was Game of Thrones.
Goblet of Fire was the start of the downfall.
Nah, OotP.
@@SchmergDergenno.
It was definitely this or the Order of Phoenix
@@Mialikesthings so you agree with half of what I said lol thanks for the time waste
@@SchmergDergen I made a mistake I meant Goblet of Fire.(idk how lmao)
I agree. They watered down Sirius’s involvement in the story which effectively killed (no pun intended) any impact his death would have in the 5th movie. I will say that GoF balanced the magical and whimsical with the dark and oppressive elements of the story very well though.
OoTP was too rushed and it overused the newspaper scene transitions as a means of conveying plot information to the point that it felt headache inducing. That movie needed at least an additional half hour to flesh things out.
Worst one is order of the Phoenix
Y’all crazy
it's arguable, might be the most boring chapter, 3rd act is nice, but then again which Harry Potter movie 3rd act doesn't bring excitement
I don't know. This "review" doesn't do a thing for me. I'm not a teen, I'm in my 80s and I spent 25 years in the Entertainment industry AND I like this segment of the Harry Potter series as well as any other. None of them are perfect., but theyre great and fun. And, they all had tremendous input by the author and, if she didn't want something changed, don't you bet it wouldn't have been changed. All of them are damn entertaining - enough so that my husband and I (who also read all the books) watch them once a year. We also enjoy Kenneth Branaugh's four and a half hour "Hamlet," Warner Oland "Charlie Chan" films and Alister Sim's 1951 version of "A Christmas Carol." They're films, a lot went into making them, they turned out better than most, they entertain us. Enough said.
I always fail to understand how book fans like any of these movies. They change far too much and leave out far too much. Had i never read the books Im sure i would have been more excited. But i was 12 when the first HP movie came out and i was quite disappointed in it and didn't watch any of the others in theaters. Gave up all the way after movie 4 and haven't looked back at the movies. Still love the books
You just realise at one point that they can't put everything from the books into films. They would be just too long. Also what would be the point of watching those films if everything there was 1:1 to the books? It would be boring.
Book fans constantly criticize the movies for what they left out, what they added, etc.