No turn 3 does seem a bit optimistic when their decks do still have 99 cards. Even with all the mana and card draw, that's a lot of cards to go through. Though, we were close to a 2 turn game because of the time vault turn 1.
EDH was played with no ban list for like 6 years before commander was invented. It was an awesome amazing format that nobody was playing to win. It was played for fun. Drop a Black Lotus, use it to cast a Chub Toad. Everybody laughs... that was the point.
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer are you complaining about how commander is now? because newsflash: YOU CAN STILL PLAY THAT TYPE OF MAGIC, JUST CONVINCE YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS TO BUILD THOSE KIND OF DECKS AND HAVE A BLAST. sorry about that
@@willemboele2079 I don't think anything in my reply deserved that shouting. Calm down dude. Commander is fine, I have zero problem with it. My problem is that people call it EDH/Commander and through that mistake millions of people have lost out on the opportunity to discover what EDH was. If Commander was just called out as a different format at the beginning then it could live on just like it is today... but without millions of people having no idea what original EDH was or how it was different. Calling them the same thing RUINED the traditional EDH format. About the 100th time I heard observer who's not playing get all miffed and tell me "those cards are illegal" I was ready to scream.
15:35 im curious: did Mike do infinite Mana Crpyt flips? cause thats kinda important for that loop. Hmmm. actually he just does not pay for the mana crpyts kataki(?) in his first extra turn. So NVM
I was gonna ask the same thing! Forgot about Kataki....without Adam, Mike wouldn’t have been able to pull off that win!! LOL, GREAT GAME GUYS! So fun to see this one.
I think the combo was already in his yard and he had a will in hand. He loses 2 coin flips max, as he has infinite birds the turn he plays the will, and attacks the next turn.
@@cuttlefish6839 I'm going to argue Leovold would have added a lot more to the Sultai player than Sidisi. Sidisi is solid, but Leovold is insane levels of value. One Windfall resolves? Game. Edric sticks around? Easy day. Someone casts a Preordain? Oops.
Mike and garrett both discussed playing Leovold, but it just didn't end up coming together. It's very likely if we did this again, someone would be playing him.
I feel like an optimal strategy for this would be to put every Ante card into your deck, since you get to remove them before the game starts, you essentially get to play with a 90 card deck. Also I was really hoping for someone to cast a Shaharazad.
I don't know if it's been pointed out before, but I love how starting players are "determined" I know in one video it was said that someone one a game of Truth or Dare, but this one was the best by far. A Shahrazad subgame.
What a game! Question for you, having played these decks. Do you think any of the banned cards you played would be okay if they were legal in Commander?
While some were super obvious why they should remain banned, there were some that left a feeling of "that's it"? Balance is the first one that comes to mind. Sure it's powerful for its cost, but what an amazing card it would be to help tip scales back into white's favor (no pun intended). Other colors have so many more tools to help run away with the game, and that card would do so much to reign them in.
@@CraigArgyleAudio They were super fun to play with, but they were definitely broken. If they were legal, it would always become a game of "who got the mox in their opening hand", kinda like a Turn 1 Sol Ring.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Speaking from a non-cEDH perspective, wouldn't that just result in the turn 1 Mox player being hated out by the other players. If I remember correctly The Command Zone, had it in their statistics episode some time ago, that with a turn 1 Sol Ring, the avarage win rate went down.
@@thetoughestcookie9312 If they didn't, and those power are alphas (too far away for me to tell), that's a 10th of a million or more dollars on the table at once. Gross.
Alex Browning They did, even the ones that own real timetwisters don’t use real ones. They do make an effort to make it look real though to not ruin the experience.
I seriously think this channel will go so far. Your video formula seems nearly perfect to me honestly. For once, I wish I could donate to the patreon of a channel, good luck guys, you're great (:
No banlist is the most fun. I think the correct way to control eternal formats isn’t banning cards, it’s the easiest way but a better way is to just balance the playing field, also counterspells exist for a reason, uncounterable things with hexproof are annoying but there’s ways around everything
I played in the 90's, and tried to get into the game a few years ago. I'm not big on drafting, and none of my friends play, but THIS is the closest thing I've seen to real 'back in the day' 90's MtG.
I did the same. I started missing the game again. I began to look up a lot of the older cards I had but left in Florida by mistake when I moved north. There is no way I will ever be able to afford to buy those over again. I couldn't believe how much the cost increased over the years. I was missing 6 duels (3 Savannah 3 Plato) in order to have a full play set. Soul rings, Mox Diamonds, sliver queens, FoW, and so on. Man I'm kicking myself now
MTG Muddstah: (Insert name) wins the die roll and gets to start us off Playing with power: (insert name) wins the shaharazad magic subgame and gets to start us off LOL!
At first i thought "Ah yes, Paradox Engine again". Then, when you said out loud "NO BANLIST" i thought "Oh. Recurring Nightmare. And SO MANY POWERFUL CARDS". This is going to be fun!
I would love to play this game, a whole game with no boards wipes, this is why i love cedh. I have played with people who are nice, but complain about your land destruction, but they can wipe the board every turn, making games last 2 hours. I play Mono Green Wurms, its decent competitive, but against back to back board wipes not so much.
One of my homies once made a board wipe/permanent bounce deck with absolutely no wincon to speak of. Game lasted 5+ hours because we didn't scoop out of pure spite
Would love to know what the tutor targets were. Seems like instead of going for wincons people went for other lines and I'm guessing it was value/interaction. Sidisi had LabMan on board and didn't seem to tutor up Demonic Consultation. Mike got a lot of love off that Remora. People just jammed into it mostly Would be curious to know the thoughts behind the two Windfalls. Both seemed to come later in the turn after players were mostly tapped out. I almost expected the next person to untap and win, but then the next person Windfalls, too! Derevi didn't get there, but did get to slam Root Maze, Sphere, and a Karakas. Granted, he gave Mike two draws. Definitely set himself up for a Time Vault win if he untapped, I"m sure
This is so freaking cool!! I like the idea of a no banlist commander game and I would love to try it out at some point, but I have none of these OP cards.
ive watched this multiple times and I just noticed something that could be kinda important. Mike wins by taking infinite turns with tez and time vault, but he also has a mana crypt on the board and only 16 life. He probably still would have one anyway but i think in that situation you gotta make him play it out unless he has a way to bounce the mana crypt before dying to it.
My all-time favorite card is Prophet of Kruphix and I know it's not the most competitive creature but I was disappointed it's not in any of the three decks with access to UG.
Great video, as always! Super interesting to see how actually broken are the banned cards. May I ask where did Adam get his proxies? They look great, and I’ve been interested in getting some for my EDH decks. Thanks!
Just discovered this channel and really like how you narrate everything and show the cards in the middle. Only constructive thing I’d say is change the lighting a little bit but fuck it
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Oh boy... I love seeing turn 1 plays that cost more than my entire edh decks
Same here. Phew... made my wallet cry seeing those turn 1's.
The combined value of that turn 1 is more expensive than anything I've ever owned, including my car.
That was actually the funniest win con I’ve ever seen.
They use a lot of Proxys, as you can see.
Facts tho
This game was surprisingly fair. I was not expecting to see significant creature combat. Honestly, I wasn't expecting a turn 3.
No turn 3 does seem a bit optimistic when their decks do still have 99 cards. Even with all the mana and card draw, that's a lot of cards to go through. Though, we were close to a 2 turn game because of the time vault turn 1.
what would EDH with no banned list look like?
infinite swans obviously
happens in normal cedh all the time with timetwister loops tho
thats why rakdos charms a card
EDH was played with no ban list for like 6 years before commander was invented. It was an awesome amazing format that nobody was playing to win. It was played for fun.
Drop a Black Lotus, use it to cast a Chub Toad. Everybody laughs... that was the point.
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer are you complaining about how commander is now? because newsflash:
YOU CAN STILL PLAY THAT TYPE OF MAGIC, JUST CONVINCE YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS TO BUILD THOSE KIND OF DECKS AND HAVE A BLAST.
sorry about that
@@willemboele2079 I don't think anything in my reply deserved that shouting. Calm down dude.
Commander is fine, I have zero problem with it. My problem is that people call it EDH/Commander and through that mistake millions of people have lost out on the opportunity to discover what EDH was.
If Commander was just called out as a different format at the beginning then it could live on just like it is today... but without millions of people having no idea what original EDH was or how it was different. Calling them the same thing RUINED the traditional EDH format.
About the 100th time I heard observer who's not playing get all miffed and tell me "those cards are illegal" I was ready to scream.
Kataki’s flavor text should be
“I used the stones to destroy the stones.”
This should be a monthly thing from now on. Love seeing all the interactions from the cards we've never seen before in cEDH.
I honestly liked it better than normal cedh, especially getting to play my favorite deck again! (Paradox scepter thrasios) -Mike
Infinite untaps and them moxs are a sight to see
That Paradox Engine. I miss it, for my Jhoria deck so much. It’s great watching these videos. Please do more with banned cards.
Half expected for you to say Adam taps Karakas for a white
With an evil smirk on his face
MassiveFoot29 agreed
Watching this match is like watching powerful mages with world ending spells fight each other. Truly majestic.
15:35 im curious:
did Mike do infinite Mana Crpyt flips?
cause thats kinda important for that loop.
Hmmm. actually he just does not pay for the mana crpyts kataki(?) in his first extra turn.
So NVM
I missed the Kataki part as well
I was gonna ask the same thing! Forgot about Kataki....without Adam, Mike wouldn’t have been able to pull off that win!! LOL, GREAT GAME GUYS! So fun to see this one.
@blastingdynamic same. He’d have to bin it to avoid the missed triggers.
I think the combo was already in his yard and he had a will in hand. He loses 2 coin flips max, as he has infinite birds the turn he plays the will, and attacks the next turn.
Ah thanks for explaining this i didnt catch it either ♥
The swan song countering dramatic reversal loop was cool to see I didn’t see that coming
With no ban-list, I'm surprised no-one went with a Leovold deck.
It's not overpowered imo just people find it annoying and not fun which is what got it banned
@@cuttlefish6839 I'm going to argue Leovold would have added a lot more to the Sultai player than Sidisi. Sidisi is solid, but Leovold is insane levels of value. One Windfall resolves? Game. Edric sticks around? Easy day. Someone casts a Preordain? Oops.
Mike and garrett both discussed playing Leovold, but it just didn't end up coming together. It's very likely if we did this again, someone would be playing him.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG foreshadowing? 🤔🤔🤔
I feel like an optimal strategy for this would be to put every Ante card into your deck, since you get to remove them before the game starts, you essentially get to play with a 90 card deck.
Also I was really hoping for someone to cast a Shaharazad.
Same! I was hoping for it too!
dont forget every conspiracy
which includes the one that decreases your deck size
Did non-cedh no banlist.
Got a panoptic mirror shaharazad lock
This was fantastic! Id implore the Patreons push to make this a monthly event.
I don't know if it's been pointed out before, but I love how starting players are "determined"
I know in one video it was said that someone one a game of Truth or Dare, but this one was the best by far. A Shahrazad subgame.
It was cool seeing some of the power 9 cards. They definitely are deserving of that name
I love that you use pokemon cards as your tokens.
no banned list
What a game!
Question for you, having played these decks. Do you think any of the banned cards you played would be okay if they were legal in Commander?
While some were super obvious why they should remain banned, there were some that left a feeling of "that's it"? Balance is the first one that comes to mind. Sure it's powerful for its cost, but what an amazing card it would be to help tip scales back into white's favor (no pun intended). Other colors have so many more tools to help run away with the game, and that card would do so much to reign them in.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG How did you feel about the Moxen? The Time Walk/Vaults were super obviously proven to be too strong.
@@CraigArgyleAudio They were super fun to play with, but they were definitely broken. If they were legal, it would always become a game of "who got the mox in their opening hand", kinda like a Turn 1 Sol Ring.
@@CraigArgyleAudio while moxes are cool they would simplify the format to 3 plus color decks. 1-2 color decks would not exist.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Speaking from a non-cEDH perspective, wouldn't that just result in the turn 1 Mox player being hated out by the other players. If I remember correctly The Command Zone, had it in their statistics episode some time ago, that with a turn 1 Sol Ring, the avarage win rate went down.
People just wanted to play with Paradox Engine again...
because it never should have been banned to begin with.
@@Arcdemon44 That's debatable. But it's banned now. Nothing we can do about that.
Exactly what I thought when I saw this listed.
Remember that bans in edh are just suggestions. Wizards said it pretty clearly.
@@sirkana I'm aware.
Garret took using your life as a resource to whole new level
In a game with that much power, you need as many cards as you can get.
The most expensive edh game ive ever seen
ChrisP Bacon I was wondering, did they proxy those)
@@thetoughestcookie9312 If they didn't, and those power are alphas (too far away for me to tell), that's a 10th of a million or more dollars on the table at once. Gross.
Alex Browning They did, even the ones that own real timetwisters don’t use real ones. They do make an effort to make it look real though to not ruin the experience.
To think, Adam could've had the turn 2 kill if he knew nobody had force.
I would hate playing this kind of game, but it is so much fun to watch! Please do another of these no bans games sometime.
super well narrated and recorded, was very easy to follow plays even as crazy vintage shenanigans occur
I seriously think this channel will go so far. Your video formula seems nearly perfect to me honestly. For once, I wish I could donate to the patreon of a channel, good luck guys, you're great (:
God I remember watching this a year or so ago. It literally rekindled my love of this game and god me to subscribe.
No banlist is the most fun. I think the correct way to control eternal formats isn’t banning cards, it’s the easiest way but a better way is to just balance the playing field, also counterspells exist for a reason, uncounterable things with hexproof are annoying but there’s ways around everything
the infinite counter swans is awesome, have never thought of that
I love the editing! Especially useful when you're on the go
My goodness, this game has made my week! So entertaining! Thank you!
came back to this video after 3 years. still one of my absolute favorites
I played in the 90's, and tried to get into the game a few years ago. I'm not big on drafting, and none of my friends play, but THIS is the closest thing I've seen to real 'back in the day' 90's MtG.
I did the same. I started missing the game again. I began to look up a lot of the older cards I had but left in Florida by mistake when I moved north. There is no way I will ever be able to afford to buy those over again. I couldn't believe how much the cost increased over the years. I was missing 6 duels (3 Savannah 3 Plato) in order to have a full play set. Soul rings, Mox Diamonds, sliver queens, FoW, and so on. Man I'm kicking myself now
Would be good if this could be done again with the new cards that have come out since
Gotta do a replay of this sometime. That was fun.
I was absolutely sure adam had just won on the spot when time vault resolved in a derevi deck
MTG Muddstah: (Insert name) wins the die roll and gets to start us off
Playing with power: (insert name) wins the shaharazad magic subgame and gets to start us off
LOL!
You forgot about how each turn passing mana crypt would trigger potentially killing himself before he was able to get out his win conditions.
Think he ended up not paying for his manacrypt by kataki trigger, thus sacrificing manacrypt before going infinite
@@hannovanbaarle1413 that works to. didn't think about that
But if he takes infinite turns then he’ll inevitably die to mana crypt. I assume he stopped paying its upkeep cost so he wouldn’t die
The battlefield has Kataki, War's Wage.
He can allow his artifact to die on upkeep.
And that ladies and gentlemen is why time vault is banned. That game was absolutely mental
That was actually amazing. Well done
At first i thought "Ah yes, Paradox Engine again".
Then, when you said out loud "NO BANLIST" i thought "Oh. Recurring Nightmare. And SO MANY POWERFUL CARDS".
This is going to be fun!
This game was intense as hell. As much as I love high power EDH, I sure am glad that Time Walk and the Moxen are gone.
I was just happy to see black lotus be useless for once
THE KITTY TASIGUR PLAYMAT OH MY GOD
I loved the game! Please, make more vídeos like This!
So. Much. Money. This was incredible to watch!
A two hour game with six turns! Holy crap.
Was anyone else like how does Mike have a Paradox Engine in his deck and then remembered wait this is a no ban game
GIORNO GIOVANNA the Moxen, Lotus, Timevault, Time Walk and Krakus kinda gave that away already
Ohhh man ....sad momment ....no more para dox dox ....dox para paradox ...song ..... x.x
Those dual proxies look amazing in foil
I just discovered my new favorite format.
What are those gorgeous foil duals? great game btw !!! ;-)
This was so much fun, I wish it was feasible to afford some of these cards!
Love me some cEDH content so I was excited to learn about the TT3 channel. However, they haven't uploaded in a year??
RANDOM BINGE WATCHING! RECOMMENTING ON MY NEW RUclips PROFILE! YAY INTERACTION!!!
I would like to see an entire season with a championship game series with no ban list so we can see different commanders.
And Time Vault.
Wow.
Wow.
It was really cool!
Death by Infinite Swans is the name of my experimental jazz metal fusion band.
This game was attitude era of WWE good! Powerful, intense, entertaining!
The next one you guys should do is CEDH but everyone is required to use a Legendary from Commander 2019 as their General.
I literally just want my griselbrand back. He's like my favorite mtg card next to song of the dryads
Interesting to see that the game didn't just end on turn 1 despite all the power. I like that
I would love to play this game, a whole game with no boards wipes, this is why i love cedh. I have played with people who are nice, but complain about your land destruction, but they can wipe the board every turn, making games last 2 hours. I play Mono Green Wurms, its decent competitive, but against back to back board wipes not so much.
One of my homies once made a board wipe/permanent bounce deck with absolutely no wincon to speak of. Game lasted 5+ hours because we didn't scoop out of pure spite
huehuehue, very nice video guys, congrats!
It would be interesting to see how much got paid for kataki
Yeah just goes to show how strong Tabernacle stax can be.
That was some raw MTG gotdang.
4:33 What's up with that Lotus?
Great content :D Even greater than usual
I was wondering aswell, is it a judge promo or a proxy?
@@Oliundso proxy
Ok, i could i forgot the p9s? lol
What a great start :O
Love seeing pkmn cards for zombie tokens!
Thank you for making these videos they are amazing
watching these opening turns my wallet is crying lol no ban list is very spicy
Congrats Adam for your shaharazad magic subgame win
This was awesome!
banlist removed, still wins with paradox engine.lol
Wouldn’t mind looking at garrett’s deck, been building one (legal) and want more inspiration
The decklists are in the description.
I couldn't tell from the sleeves, but were all the power proxies? Those white bordered ones looked decent
All the power in this video was proxied.
I love the random wild Pokemon 😁
Would love to know what the tutor targets were. Seems like instead of going for wincons people went for other lines and I'm guessing it was value/interaction. Sidisi had LabMan on board and didn't seem to tutor up Demonic Consultation.
Mike got a lot of love off that Remora. People just jammed into it mostly
Would be curious to know the thoughts behind the two Windfalls. Both seemed to come later in the turn after players were mostly tapped out. I almost expected the next person to untap and win, but then the next person Windfalls, too! Derevi didn't get there, but did get to slam Root Maze, Sphere, and a Karakas. Granted, he gave Mike two draws. Definitely set himself up for a Time Vault win if he untapped, I"m sure
I'd wager that Time Walk was most of them, or force of will/negation.
This is so freaking cool!! I like the idea of a no banlist commander game and I would love to try it out at some point, but I have none of these OP cards.
We didnt have the 20 or so thousand available either, we actually cut and glued a lot of the power 9 for this 😅
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG I'd say that's fair xD Looked very realistic gj on the gluejob! xD
that combo was awesome
LOOOOL the stats at the end XD
I enjoy how even 2 years after this episode's release, y'all still show up in the comments to remind people about the Kataki-Mana Crypt interaction
This episode should've been titled "moments taken before disaster"
Plz do some more of these!
I’m really surprised we didn’t see tolarian academy at some point, given the tutors and kataki being in play
I loved this video!
*Dack Fayden*
RIP my boy gone too soon
ive watched this multiple times and I just noticed something that could be kinda important. Mike wins by taking infinite turns with tez and time vault, but he also has a mana crypt on the board and only 16 life. He probably still would have one anyway but i think in that situation you gotta make him play it out unless he has a way to bounce the mana crypt before dying to it.
nvm kataki was out
now THIS is pod racing!!
P.S. unban fastbond and balance
Unban Fastbond, Balance, Coalition Victory and Paradox Engine
Why do we still have a ban list? This looks like so much fun!!!
My all-time favorite card is Prophet of Kruphix and I know it's not the most competitive creature but I was disappointed it's not in any of the three decks with access to UG.
adam got excited and ran out the vault too early
Infinite swans for lethal. 😂
Great video, as always! Super interesting to see how actually broken are the banned cards.
May I ask where did Adam get his proxies? They look great, and I’ve been interested in getting some for my EDH decks. Thanks!
He made them himself.
I've been looking into making proxies myself, but information about it is scarce. Would Adam be willing to share his method?
I've done something similar once. I'm not sure whether I'm glad or sad that no one picked the commander I ran with: Griselbrand. Cool game though.
I never thought swan song could be a win condition
Favorite episode!!!
How much plasma did they donate to get these cards or are they proxies
10:38 that Sphere of Resistance should come into play tapped thanks to the Root Maze he just played
I’m rewatching this and realized how sad I am we didn’t get a leovold cEDH deck
I love this game
Just discovered this channel and really like how you narrate everything and show the cards in the middle. Only constructive thing I’d say is change the lighting a little bit but fuck it
Siiiiick... gg maaaan!