Great video to showcase the difference between the two "50mm" lenses from different formats. I definitely agree that when shooting from a distance away, sometimes I wish my Micro Four Thirds lens has more blurring capability, I guess that is where the full frame gets an advantage. I have gotten used to working around this by using 45mm F1.2 or 40-150mm F2.8, using telephoto range to gain better subject isolation.
There's no question the full frame 50mm f/1.4 lens on a full frame sensor yields better results, but the difference is not as huge as the lens itself! Wow, that thing is massive! Remember the old days when a FF50mm f/1.4 lens was about as big as the m43 25mm lens?
@@mattisulanto So why are the newer lenses so large? I understand that zoom lenses have more elements and will be bigger, you were using a prime lens weren't you? I also understand that a wider maximum aperture will increase the size and weight quickly - but I have an older Canon EF f/1.4 that about the size of your MFT 25mm lens.
@@johngwheeler One reason for larger lenses is the need for better resolution, because now we have cameras with 40+ megapixels. That old Canon EF 50mm is an old design and not designed for that kind of resolution. Film also is more forgiving of lens imperfections and that why many vintage lenses are so small.
Both lenses are fine, but to my eyes the Leica has more "personality", and therefore I would prefer it. Great video. The size difference between the two cameras with the attached lenses is amazing.
I think you did a good job showing some of the main differences that I perceive between the two systems, which is that they don't produce wildly different photos - the full frame just provides more flexibility with regard to aperture control. The other differences would be maximum sharpness at 1:1, noise floor, and file resolution, which I'm guessing FF would win. Regardless, I love having both setups around because having choice between portability and maximum image quality/DOF control is good. Will people ever look at it as just a different format and not resort to lame A vs. B comparisons, I doubt it...
I chose A for the first picture and B for the second and third pictures. Personally even if the Lumix S Pro is a better camera, I would sacrifice a bit of quality for portability and usability. The smaller M43 camera encourages you to use it more and carry it around anywhere. Just my thoughts.
Agree. I feel like in real life though for C I’d jump to my 45 1.8 as he mentioned, I use that for environmental portraits all the time and it’s a stunner, I don’t often use my 25mm for portraits unless it’s a quick grab sort of situation
I legit think my 25mm f/1.4 is my favourite lens that I own right now. I have both m43 and l-mount glass, and I don't think I'll ever get rid of my 25mm.
In absolute image quality the ff of course has the edge, but does it justify the price difference if you are not a pro ? Anyway for the close up portraits Iliked the m43 shots better. Too much blur is not always a great thing.
Hello. Big fan of your videos. I know you didn't exclusively compared the size of the lenses but it would've been better if both had the lens hood or neither. That way people can see more accurate size differences. Great video. Thank you.
I chose A but I was also able to tell that it was the 25mm because of the bokeh difference. I feel like the B lens just does too much sometimes and it’s too big to carry around.
I got the 25mm and love it. I really appreciate the size factor of the micro 4/3 setup and that's why I traded in my Canon 5Dmk3 system for it. Haven't looked back !
I respect your opinion but to compare a micro 4/3 camera with a beast like the Canon 5D Mark III is rather hazardous to me. Maybe you meant the micro 4/3 covers your needs? 😉
Excellent review! I love my Summilux MFT 25 1.4 and now love it more! 50 1.4 has smoother bokeh, but overall picture quality is very very similar.Good demo of great capabilities of MFT system,where it able to compete with expensive full frame Lumix sister.
For the first two shots I preferred the M4/3 lens, it was clear with enough blur in the background, but not too much to be distracting. (The background blur on the full frame looked artificial to me) For the third, the full frame was nicer, sharp with pleasant separation between subject and background. The significant size difference (and price) are huge considerations for most amateur photographers.
My guess was that the ones with more green'ush hue were the S1, which ended up being picture 2 in every example. I have both of these bodies, but only the 25mm f/1.4, so I was pretty familiar with what they do overall. I've shot on the S1 a lot in the past 2 months, mostly all paid work with one vacation thrown in when the day I bought it, and in my experience, especially in video, it hues towards green a bit more than the G9. Easy to fix. Actually, I'm shooting a number of interviews this week as the final step of a much, much larger production schedule, and I'm matching up the 24-105 kit lens on an S1 with the G9 and a 12-35mm f/2.8. I'm shooting in an even more desaturated Flat profile on the S1, and a relatively flat Portrait style on the G9. I have to adjust the S1 a bit, but it's so easy it barely matters.
One other thing to be aware of is you may get out of focus eyes, noses, ears or more with the FF setup whereas you don't need to worry as much shooting wide open with the M43. That has been my experience on the whole using M43. You can get an out of focus background but usually don't need to worry too much for your subjects focus being out.
For me, the Bokeh was the difference between the two. That said, I preferred A! Great video, love your enthusiasm and the education you bring to the table. Also, thank you for doing this in English!
Could you also do a semi low light test on both setups so that we can see if there is indeed a big enough difference between them? Is there any merit in buying full frame of the MFT performs decently?? I just take photos of my children and group shots of my friends. Some HDR landscape shots using Exposure Bracketing and some architecture shots when travelling. Is it wiser to buy the G85 for now and wait for the GH6 ? The G85 is just 350 pounds. Planning to buy that with the 12 to 60 Leica.
The rumored GH6 will be a lot more expensive and more versatile camera than the G85. I don't think those two would be comparable. I have a low light comparison between the G9 and S1: ruclips.net/video/hivwWPPqwqw/видео.html
Very interesting, and a good way to present both lenses. I'm not a pro like yourself and my days of dragging huge cameras around are over. I'm happy with my small Panasonic camera, and if cameras keep getting bigger and heavier I will just use my phone.
Matti outstanding comparison as always & my preference throughout was picture B from the S1 due to color & detail. Thanks also for the fair minded comparison of FF & MFT systems. With age & poor health, I exclusively shoot MFT but would still use FF for large art prints if circumstances were different
God, that lens is HUGE and the price is ridiculous. It's NO contest really 🎉 I wouldn't be able to lug around that lens in public, let alone travel with it.
I like both although the bokeh on the S lens was too much - the 25mm was just the right amount - not a lot of difference in the lenses in quality but a big difference in price, size and weight - thanks for doing this comparison
The 50mm looks like a great lens, but honestly I'd rather not shoot with the Hubble Space Telescope attached to the front of my camera. They're putting so much glass in lenses these days, it's becoming a little ridiculous.
William Banik No this is called the circle of confusion - the f stops are the same the only difference is the field of view however there will be a big difference in the ISO - the ISO at the same field of view with the same f1.4 between MFT and FF is that the FF camera will have a higher ISO to compensate - don’t multiple the F stop it’s the ISO that changes at the same field of view
Hi @@BarryMaskell - The f/stops aren't the same. What we have is a 50mm @ 1.4 (50/1.4) and 25mm @ 1.4 (25/1.4) That's ~36mm diameter aperture for the 50mm and a ~18 mm aperture for the 25 mm. At a 2 meter shooting distance FF 50mm @ f/1.4 has a DOF of .13m. For the same subject - FF 50mm @ f/2.8 the DOF is .27m. For the same subject u4/3 with a 25mm @ f/1.4 the DOF is .27m. Nit picky, perhaps, but i can see the differences in the photos. The difference in ISO (if that's what you decide to increase to compensate for a smaller aperture) will add noise but DoF will be the same. I think the better option for still subjects like these and given the excellent IBIS performance of the G9 is to use a slower shutter speed.
William Banik According to the video previously mentioned to obtain the same field of view on the FF camera vs the smaller sensor the FF frame will have a higher F stop and higher ISO than the smaller sensor camera
I think it was immediately obvious which is which. Not just the bookeh but the overall PQ, even watching it at meager 360p on an Ipad. But of course there are things to consider like weight and the impact of a significantly larger package on e.g street photography. This FF combo is not really discrete 😎 I have both, G9 and S1 but dont have the S Pro 50mm 1.4. It looks like a fantastic lens but I am not sure if I want to go for such an investment for a 50mm. I might wait for the release of a 85mm portrait prime, but not sure whether this is on the horizon yet for the S1? When back to Helsinki I will definitely check out the library. Looks like a very cool place and anyway there is something very special about libraries.Thumbs up 👍
Thank you for your input. I don't know if a portrait lens is around the corner, but usually it's pretty important in any system and therefore I believe (hope) that we'll see one soon.
@@TheOneMonk Panasonic's roadmap actually shows an 85mm f/1.8 in 2020, so maybe it is just around the corner😀 Sigma L mount version will surely be out soon.
Stopping down B to same DOF and it would kill A ;) The only problem with A for me was the flowers in picture 3. Stopping down would probably make them less disturbing, but also no longer give clear subject separation... MFT shooter here, and thinking of buying Oly 25/1.8 for its size :)
Watching at 4K at 4K 32 inch monitor, lens B looked much sharper with a lot more detail than A, and there was no noticeable picture noise, but for lens A picture noise was very noticeable for the first picture. However, I preferred the DOF for lens A for all pictures, so it would have been interesting to compare with the 50 mm stopped down 2 stops. Btw, the 25 mm is at its sharpest at F4, I guess both lenses was shoot at F1.4 in the test?
Thanks for your comment. I shot both wide open and of course there would be many other ways to compare these two, but I decided to keep it simple this time.
Thank you for a great video! I see no difference at 1st picture. Like A better on the 2nd picture and B on the 3rd picture. As of myself, I use 25mm and 42,5 panaleicas a lot, and indeed 42,5 Nocticron is perfect not only for close ups, but also for isolation on a medium distance, if you have enough room to step out. Btw, Olymups 75mm 1,7 is even better (for medium distance not for close ups) but you need a lot more room.
Hi, great video. Is this Leica 25mm the old mark1 or the new mark2? I'm trying to decide if I should get the new leica 1.4 mk2, or the Olympus 1.2 25mm. I'm assuming the Olympus is better with being twice the price, but how much better... .
Thanks! I made this video when the Leica 25mm II was not available yet. The Leica 25mm and Oly 25mm Pro are very different lenses and which is better depends on the photographer's taste. I have a review of the Leica mkII, please check it out.
Thank you for the response. 5 minutes after I left this message, I discovered your review on the mark 2. Lol. I already clicked like on it. If it's not to much to ask, how does the mark 2 and Olympus f1.2 differ the most from each other in image feel? I'm a filmmaker who already owns a Olympus 45mm f1.2. So for film footage edited together, would the mark2 be probably to different texture wise from the 45 f1.2? Thank you.
@@StormMartialArt I have not used either Oly F1.2, but I guess they produce similar look, because they both are similar contemporary designs. Robin Wong and Peter Forsgård both have reviews on Oly Pro lenses. Please check their channels.
Well, both lens have a f1.4 apperture. But I have been told that due to the shallower depth of field of m4/3 sensor compared to the FF we have to multiply the stop by 2 (in fact 1.1414 because it is a surface) to have the equivalent in FF. I mean the 25mm at f1.4 is equivalent to the 50mm at f2. Have you shot like this ? Thanks.
I shot both wide open, I was not trying to get the same DOF, but trying to show some differences. There are many ways to compare lenses, but I chose to do it like this.
The 50mm is an extremely expensive lens. The difference which was obvious was the background blur due to the sensor but that's a concern. At that price it needs to kick the butts of any full frame 50. The video does demonstrate that for you tube, Instagram, website etc mft is just fine. I'll stick with the g9
Thanks for your comment. In this video I wanted to compare two similar standard lenses with similar FOV. So far there's no native 85mm prime for the L mount, but who knows, when the Sigma 85mm becomes available, I might do a comparison with the Nocticron.
I have the lumix S5 and I find that my preferred image quality does have a bit more definition in the bokeh, I sometimes wish I had the micro four thirds camera instead. The lenses for full frame lumix are very pricey and the very blown up bokeh appearance makes it much harder to get an attractive picture.
@@mattisulanto when a picture of the sun especially at sunset is taken at a very small aperture like f22 the sun in the image has rays that extend out geometrically. The rays that show in pictures from this lens have gaps between them as if interrupted by some feature of the lens.
the difference is subtle on a small screen until you look at the background . Having a G85 with that 25mm f1.4, i must say that you have to pay more attention to the background in M43 because it is noticable most of the time unless you are quite close. But you get use to it .
I think for 80% of the photography that I do, the S1with that extremely well-made lens will be overkilling, I would love to have the S1 but without sacrificing my M4/3 system because I can bring it with me almost all the time.
Hmmm maybe some more 50mm battle ;) there is Olympus 1.2 or even faster voiglander 25 0.95 or even super cheap and small mitakon 25mm f 0.95 . That would be interesting ☺️ and I would also test some canon or sigma or samyang 35 1.4 with speed booster and this could be very interesting ☺️
Everyone can form their own opinion, of course, but I think most viewers here are MFT shooters and that shows. I think there's no better here, just different.
Thank you for this interesting comparison. I'm disappointed with the A version and the B version is surprisingly good. Now (in my humble opinion) none of them compares to my former system (Canon) or the new one (Fujifilm) unfortunately.
Thanks for commenting. I think it's not fair to compare those, because the 25mm is so much older design. I think, if Panasonic ever comes up with a new 25mm f/1.4 or f/1.2 it's gonna be a lot different than the current model.
sulantoblog Thank you.. Please help to convey message to Panasonic to build newer Nocticron-graded 25mm f1.2 for m43 user then.. I will jump into it.. Thank you :)
@@mattisulanto oh I thought both was on m43. Now that I'm thinking about it I'd expect more background seperation from a full frame 1.4. Shouldnt a 25mm on m43 translate to 2.8 on full frame.
Okay guys free to insult me, I'm new with Lumix. I own a s5iiX with 85mm f/1.8. Amazing lens, cinematic shoots and stuff. I need a normal/wide lens for everyday content close up to the subject. I saw the lumix G line 25mm is the cheapest ever $145 and in a full frame is equivalent of 50mm. Should I take it? Whats the difference with the S 50mm? thanks whoever answer
You should only look at full frame L mount lenses for your camera. So if you need a 50mm that's what you should get. The Lumix 25mm is a Micro Four Thirds lens and not compatible with your camera.
You should have compared 50mm on MFT with 50mm on FF and composed the same shot (shot size) by moving further away with MFT. to actually show what is going on. A 50mm is a 50mm whether on FF or MFT.
@@mattisulanto True, there are many ways to compare. Since a 25mm on MFT doesn't quite translate into a 50mm lens FF characteristics, and has its own unique MFT characteristics, keeping the same lens magnification would have revealed much more. Hence, I suggested that. Best Wishes
Absolutely right. Blurry background should be used only if takes the story forward. This is one pint most short film makers miss in the beginning of their career.
The rendering of the Highlight in the background in the first picture is much more pleasing with B, soms fringing going on in A. But when you are not setting up the models and are shooting more casually you would probably not shoot wide open anyway to get both Models in focus. Interesting enough i think lens A is much more forgiving for skin imperfections, might be softness wide open but totally convenient for these kind of photos.
Shot #1 -- Lens A is M43, Lens B is Full-Frame -- very, very similar in quality, but the bokeh gives it away (unless I am wrong!). I'd say the same for Shot #2 (A = M43, B = FF) for the same reason (DoF). Interesting -- same thing for Shot #3 -- the background for A is not as out-of-focus as the background for B. But you would not have done them all the same, so I must be wrong somewhere! Oh -- I was not listening very carefully -- you differentiated by Lens A or B, not shot and then switched them around. So I was right! Yay! What do I win???? :-) Thank you -- they both look great for that 50mm field-of-view and even with the difference in DoF they were very comparable in overall sharpness and image quality to my old eyes.
@@mattisulanto -- OK, thank you. Looking into options for how to post my photos for general public consumption. I actually like Flickr, but effectively you have to be a member -- I want something that anyone can get to (and is not too expensive!). Oh, hey -- would you be interested in getting back into Olympus film photography???? I might be able to hook you up....
I can't care less about the bokeh, but to be honest the result of the comparison is quite obvious, that the B group gives way better color rendition and pop feeling due to the overwhelmingly larger image sensor, I love MFT for its portability and accessibility especially when shooting BROLLS in the field, but image quality wise, the popularity of full frame is quite reasonable nowadays.
It is an unequal comparison, it should be a 25mm f / 0.7 diaphragm since the depth of field also multiplies in the micro 4/3, in any case it would have to be compared against a 50mm F2.8 equivalent in full frame
Sure is, but I never said it's equal. Just two standard lenses with the max F1.4 aperture. The purpose of this, like said in the video, is not put these in any order, only to show some differences.
The difference is definitely not worth the extra cost, size and weight. You could buy and carry the 45mm and still have a much cheaper, lighter and setup to carry.
That was an obvious one... But will I break my back carrying the Giant S1 with the giant Sputnik mounted on it. Or Will I take my GX8 and and new G9 with some lenses on a Tyrolean Mountain Tour Yes the S1 is better but some Geartographers and Techfreaks use Bokeh as their viagra😉😂 Have a look at these old Nikon 50mm 1.2!!! lenses down here www.fotohits.de/themen/report/alte-objektive-an-neuen-kameras/ Why on earth is that new stuff as big a sputnik and heavy as a tank?
this was unfair comparison because a full frame camera creates more bokeh as compare to micro 4/3 and he is unfair in lens lens on camera he use 25 mm 0n micro 4/3 and 50mm on full frame
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Great video to showcase the difference between the two "50mm" lenses from different formats. I definitely agree that when shooting from a distance away, sometimes I wish my Micro Four Thirds lens has more blurring capability, I guess that is where the full frame gets an advantage. I have gotten used to working around this by using 45mm F1.2 or 40-150mm F2.8, using telephoto range to gain better subject isolation.
Thanks for your input, Robin, always appreciated.
Dear lord that full frame looks like a nightmare for carrying around and I thought the quality was equal.
The Leica 25mm f/1.4 is one of the greatest lenses ever produced. Period. Add size/weight/cost comparisons and it becomes a no brainer.
There's no question the full frame 50mm f/1.4 lens on a full frame sensor yields better results, but the difference is not as huge as the lens itself! Wow, that thing is massive! Remember the old days when a FF50mm f/1.4 lens was about as big as the m43 25mm lens?
I remember it well. Most old lenses were optically inferior to these new lenses and they were manual focus, but they were tiny.
@@mattisulanto So why are the newer lenses so large? I understand that zoom lenses have more elements and will be bigger, you were using a prime lens weren't you?
I also understand that a wider maximum aperture will increase the size and weight quickly - but I have an older Canon EF f/1.4 that about the size of your MFT 25mm lens.
@@johngwheeler One reason for larger lenses is the need for better resolution, because now we have cameras with 40+ megapixels. That old Canon EF 50mm is an old design and not designed for that kind of resolution. Film also is more forgiving of lens imperfections and that why many vintage lenses are so small.
@@mattisulanto Kiitos!
Both lenses are fine, but to my eyes the Leica has more "personality", and therefore I would prefer it. Great video. The size difference between the two cameras with the attached lenses is amazing.
Thanks for your input.
I think you did a good job showing some of the main differences that I perceive between the two systems, which is that they don't produce wildly different photos - the full frame just provides more flexibility with regard to aperture control. The other differences would be maximum sharpness at 1:1, noise floor, and file resolution, which I'm guessing FF would win. Regardless, I love having both setups around because having choice between portability and maximum image quality/DOF control is good. Will people ever look at it as just a different format and not resort to lame A vs. B comparisons, I doubt it...
Thanks! I also think that the both systems have a place in photography.
I chose A for the first picture and B for the second and third pictures. Personally even if the Lumix S Pro is a better camera, I would sacrifice a bit of quality for portability and usability. The smaller M43 camera encourages you to use it more and carry it around anywhere. Just my thoughts.
Thanks for your comment.
Agreed, I love my G80 and take it with me everywhere :)
You make a very good argument for having both. Thank you so much!
Thanks!
Great video. For pics 1 & 2, lens A. For pic 3 lens B. I think, for my taste, M43 looks good for closer distante and FF looks better for longer ones.
Thanks for commenting.
Agree. I feel like in real life though for C I’d jump to my 45 1.8 as he mentioned, I use that for environmental portraits all the time and it’s a stunner, I don’t often use my 25mm for portraits unless it’s a quick grab sort of situation
I legit think my 25mm f/1.4 is my favourite lens that I own right now. I have both m43 and l-mount glass, and I don't think I'll ever get rid of my 25mm.
That 25mm F1.4 is a nice lens.
It is easy to spot which photo matches with each lens. But both lenses create beautiful photos nonetheless.
In absolute image quality the ff of course has the edge, but does it justify the price difference if you are not a pro ?
Anyway for the close up portraits Iliked the m43 shots better. Too much blur is not always a great thing.
Thanks for your comment. You question is very personal, I think, and depends on how much money you have.
Indeed it does.
Hello. Big fan of your videos.
I know you didn't exclusively compared the size of the lenses but it would've been better if both had the lens hood or neither.
That way people can see more accurate size differences.
Great video. Thank you.
Thanks! You are right, but I don't have a hood for the 25mm and forgot to take the 50mm hood off.
I enjoy all of your uploads. Keep up the great work!👍🏻😊📷
Thank you for your kind words.
I chose A but I was also able to tell that it was the 25mm because of the bokeh difference. I feel like the B lens just does too much sometimes and it’s too big to carry around.
I got the 25mm and love it.
I really appreciate the size factor of the micro 4/3 setup and that's why I traded in my Canon 5Dmk3 system for it.
Haven't looked back !
Small size has many benefits.
What about the quality of the photos full frame Vs M 4/3rds are you happy with that?
@@benpanesar6329 Photo quality is fantastic and video top notch.
I respect your opinion but to compare a micro 4/3 camera with a beast like the Canon 5D Mark III is rather hazardous to me. Maybe you meant the micro 4/3 covers your needs? 😉
@@boris.dupont I travel alot and now my kit is half the size and also use video. For me the G9 over my old 5dmkiii works.
Awesome video. . But i want to know the setup you used to MAKE this video. . looks super clean and crispy!
Thanks. It's an old video but as far as I can remember we used the Lumix G9 and the Leica 12-60mm F2.8-4 lens.
Excellent review! I love my Summilux MFT 25 1.4 and now love it more! 50 1.4 has smoother bokeh, but overall picture quality is very very similar.Good demo of great capabilities of MFT system,where it able to compete with expensive full frame Lumix sister.
Thank you!
For the first two shots I preferred the M4/3 lens, it was clear with enough blur in the background, but not too much to be distracting. (The background blur on the full frame looked artificial to me) For the third, the full frame was nicer, sharp with pleasant separation between subject and background. The significant size difference (and price) are huge considerations for most amateur photographers.
Thanks for your comment.
It's interesting to have an amateur opinion about it. And a quite surprising outcome to say the least 😉
The bokeh on B was amazing
My guess was that the ones with more green'ush hue were the S1, which ended up being picture 2 in every example.
I have both of these bodies, but only the 25mm f/1.4, so I was pretty familiar with what they do overall.
I've shot on the S1 a lot in the past 2 months, mostly all paid work with one vacation thrown in when the day I bought it, and in my experience, especially in video, it hues towards green a bit more than the G9. Easy to fix.
Actually, I'm shooting a number of interviews this week as the final step of a much, much larger production schedule, and I'm matching up the 24-105 kit lens on an S1 with the G9 and a 12-35mm f/2.8. I'm shooting in an even more desaturated Flat profile on the S1, and a relatively flat Portrait style on the G9. I have to adjust the S1 a bit, but it's so easy it barely matters.
Thanks for your input. I think so too, that the G9 and the S1 are easy to match.
One other thing to be aware of is you may get out of focus eyes, noses, ears or more with the FF setup whereas you don't need to worry as much shooting wide open with the M43. That has been my experience on the whole using M43. You can get an out of focus background but usually don't need to worry too much for your subjects focus being out.
Thanks, Joe. That is true, basically you have to be more careful with FF, but then again, you can always stop down too to get more DOF.
For me, the Bokeh was the difference between the two. That said, I preferred A! Great video, love your enthusiasm and the education you bring to the table.
Also, thank you for doing this in English!
Thanks for commenting.
Could you also do a semi low light test on both setups so that we can see if there is indeed a big enough difference between them?
Is there any merit in buying full frame of the MFT performs decently??
I just take photos of my children and group shots of my friends. Some HDR landscape shots using Exposure Bracketing and some architecture shots when travelling.
Is it wiser to buy the G85 for now and wait for the GH6 ? The G85 is just 350 pounds. Planning to buy that with the 12 to 60 Leica.
The rumored GH6 will be a lot more expensive and more versatile camera than the G85. I don't think those two would be comparable. I have a low light comparison between the G9 and S1: ruclips.net/video/hivwWPPqwqw/видео.html
Very interesting, and a good way to present both lenses. I'm not a pro like yourself and my days of dragging huge cameras around are over. I'm happy with my small Panasonic camera, and if cameras keep getting bigger and heavier I will just use my phone.
Thanks for your input.
Matti outstanding comparison as always & my preference throughout was picture B from the S1 due to color & detail. Thanks also for the fair minded comparison of FF & MFT systems. With age & poor health, I exclusively shoot MFT but would still use FF for large art prints if circumstances were different
Thanks!
I did choose B but the difference is that big!
God, that lens is HUGE and the price is ridiculous. It's NO contest really 🎉
I wouldn't be able to lug around that lens in public, let alone travel with it.
I like both although the bokeh on the S lens was too much - the 25mm was just the right amount - not a lot of difference in the lenses in quality but a big difference in price, size and weight - thanks for doing this comparison
Thanks for your comment.
The 50mm looks like a great lens, but honestly I'd rather not shoot with the Hubble Space Telescope attached to the front of my camera. They're putting so much glass in lenses these days, it's becoming a little ridiculous.
Today we have all kinds of choices, modern designs and classics too, and that is nice. Everyone can find a good option.
Leica make small excellent lenses but they're much more expensive 😉
To get similar separation you need to photograph the 50mm @ f/2.8. Micro 4/3 @ f/1.4 is f/2.8 full frame equivalent.
Thanks for your advice.
William Banik No this is called the circle of confusion - the f stops are the same the only difference is the field of view however there will be a big difference in the ISO - the ISO at the same field of view with the same f1.4 between MFT and FF is that the FF camera will have a higher ISO to compensate - don’t multiple the F stop it’s the ISO that changes at the same field of view
Hi @@BarryMaskell - The f/stops aren't the same. What we have is a 50mm @ 1.4 (50/1.4) and 25mm @ 1.4 (25/1.4) That's ~36mm diameter aperture for the 50mm and a ~18 mm aperture for the 25 mm. At a 2 meter shooting distance FF 50mm @ f/1.4 has a DOF of .13m. For the same subject - FF 50mm @ f/2.8 the DOF is .27m. For the same subject u4/3 with a 25mm @ f/1.4 the DOF is .27m. Nit picky, perhaps, but i can see the differences in the photos.
The difference in ISO (if that's what you decide to increase to compensate for a smaller aperture) will add noise but DoF will be the same. I think the better option for still subjects like these and given the excellent IBIS performance of the G9 is to use a slower shutter speed.
William Banik That’s what I thought until I saw this video - this will get your head spinning ruclips.net/video/lte9pa3RtUk/видео.html
William Banik According to the video previously mentioned to obtain the same field of view on the FF camera vs the smaller sensor the FF frame will have a higher F stop and higher ISO than the smaller sensor camera
I think it was immediately obvious which is which. Not just the bookeh but the overall PQ, even watching it at meager 360p on an Ipad. But of course there are things to consider like weight and the impact of a significantly larger package on e.g street photography. This FF combo is not really discrete 😎
I have both, G9 and S1 but dont have the S Pro 50mm 1.4. It looks like a fantastic lens but I am not sure if I want to go for such an investment for a 50mm. I might wait for the release of a 85mm portrait prime, but not sure whether this is on the horizon yet for the S1? When back to Helsinki I will definitely check out the library. Looks like a very cool place and anyway there is something very special about libraries.Thumbs up 👍
Thank you for your input. I don't know if a portrait lens is around the corner, but usually it's pretty important in any system and therefore I believe (hope) that we'll see one soon.
sulantoblog Thanks. I should hope so. Might come from Sigma at a smaller price point.
@@TheOneMonk Panasonic's roadmap actually shows an 85mm f/1.8 in 2020, so maybe it is just around the corner😀 Sigma L mount version will surely be out soon.
Stopping down B to same DOF and it would kill A ;) The only problem with A for me was the flowers in picture 3. Stopping down would probably make them less disturbing, but also no longer give clear subject separation... MFT shooter here, and thinking of buying Oly 25/1.8 for its size :)
Yes, the 50mm is better optics, because it's a new design. The Lumix 25mm f/1.7 is also a very nice lens.
Watching at 4K at 4K 32 inch monitor, lens B looked much sharper with a lot more detail than A, and there was no noticeable picture noise, but for lens A picture noise was very noticeable for the first picture. However, I preferred the DOF for lens A for all pictures, so it would have been interesting to compare with the 50 mm stopped down 2 stops. Btw, the 25 mm is at its sharpest at F4, I guess both lenses was shoot at F1.4 in the test?
Thanks for your comment. I shot both wide open and of course there would be many other ways to compare these two, but I decided to keep it simple this time.
Pictures 1 & 2 I liked A and picture 3 B. But I thought it would be the other way around on the systems!
Thanks! It's not always what it looks like😀
Merrit and Aki should smile more! :-)
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In Russia if you smile for no reason people think you're nuts maybe it's the same in Finland? They're both great anyway
Боря Дюпон Yeah Wodka changes ones perception 😉cheers nazdrowje 🍸
Thank you for a great video! I see no difference at 1st picture. Like A better on the 2nd picture and B on the 3rd picture. As of myself, I use 25mm and 42,5 panaleicas a lot, and indeed 42,5 Nocticron is perfect not only for close ups, but also for isolation on a medium distance, if you have enough room to step out. Btw, Olymups 75mm 1,7 is even better (for medium distance not for close ups) but you need a lot more room.
Thanks for your comment.
beautiful building , i will visit Finland soon
Thanks and welcome.
Hi, great video. Is this Leica 25mm the old mark1 or the new mark2? I'm trying to decide if I should get the new leica 1.4 mk2, or the Olympus 1.2 25mm. I'm assuming the Olympus is better with being twice the price, but how much better... .
Thanks! I made this video when the Leica 25mm II was not available yet. The Leica 25mm and Oly 25mm Pro are very different lenses and which is better depends on the photographer's taste. I have a review of the Leica mkII, please check it out.
Thank you for the response. 5 minutes after I left this message, I discovered your review on the mark 2. Lol. I already clicked like on it.
If it's not to much to ask, how does the mark 2 and Olympus f1.2 differ the most from each other in image feel? I'm a filmmaker who already owns a Olympus 45mm f1.2. So for film footage edited together, would the mark2 be probably to different texture wise from the 45 f1.2?
Thank you.
@@StormMartialArt I have not used either Oly F1.2, but I guess they produce similar look, because they both are similar contemporary designs. Robin Wong and Peter Forsgård both have reviews on Oly Pro lenses. Please check their channels.
Awesome, thank you. Its appreciated!
I want more videos with Merrit and Aki :)
Thanks, maybe in the future😀
Well, both lens have a f1.4 apperture. But I have been told that due to the shallower depth of field of m4/3 sensor compared to the FF we have to multiply the stop by 2 (in fact 1.1414 because it is a surface) to have the equivalent in FF. I mean the 25mm at f1.4 is equivalent to the 50mm at f2. Have you shot like this ? Thanks.
I shot both wide open, I was not trying to get the same DOF, but trying to show some differences. There are many ways to compare lenses, but I chose to do it like this.
The 50mm is an extremely expensive lens. The difference which was obvious was the background blur due to the sensor but that's a concern. At that price it needs to kick the butts of any full frame 50. The video does demonstrate that for you tube, Instagram, website etc mft is just fine. I'll stick with the g9
Thanks for your opinion.
I would prefer you compare the 42.5mm F1.2 simply because it is mechanically FAR superior to the Leica Lumix DG.
Thanks for your comment. In this video I wanted to compare two similar standard lenses with similar FOV. So far there's no native 85mm prime for the L mount, but who knows, when the Sigma 85mm becomes available, I might do a comparison with the Nocticron.
Super Video ! Merci bien.
Thanks😀
I have the lumix S5 and I find that my preferred image quality does have a bit more definition in the bokeh, I sometimes wish I had the micro four thirds camera instead. The lenses for full frame lumix are very pricey and the very blown up bokeh appearance makes it much harder to get an attractive picture.
You can always stop down for more structured bokeh, very easy😀
@@mattisulanto the S5 takes the most incredible pictures. Can you tell me please, why does the sunstar have gaps in it on the 24-70 S-Pro?
@@edwardrook8146 I don't know what you mean.
@@mattisulanto when a picture of the sun especially at sunset is taken at a very small aperture like f22 the sun in the image has rays that extend out geometrically. The rays that show in pictures from this lens have gaps between them as if interrupted by some feature of the lens.
@@edwardrook8146 Maybe that lens doesn't do very nice sunstars. I don't have it so I can't say much, unfortunately.
easy, DOF difference is clear. i am currently testing the 50mm 1.4 and it is superb. but the price is....meh
the difference is subtle on a small screen until you look at the background . Having a G85 with that 25mm f1.4, i must say that you have to pay more attention to the background in M43 because it is noticable most of the time unless you are quite close. But you get use to it .
I think for 80% of the photography that I do, the S1with that extremely well-made lens will be overkilling, I would love to have the S1 but without sacrificing my M4/3 system because I can bring it with me almost all the time.
Thanks for your input. The S1 is not made for casual photography and m43 is much better suited for that.
Hmmm maybe some more 50mm battle ;) there is Olympus 1.2 or even faster voiglander 25 0.95 or even super cheap and small mitakon 25mm f 0.95 . That would be interesting ☺️ and I would also test some canon or sigma or samyang 35 1.4 with speed booster and this could be very interesting ☺️
Thanks! Maybe something for the future.
A for all. I guess I preferred deeper DOF, at least for these three pics. I could spend an entire day in the library. One of these days....
Thanks for your comment.
Inadvertently, you convinced everyone that MFT is better!
Everyone can form their own opinion, of course, but I think most viewers here are MFT shooters and that shows. I think there's no better here, just different.
Do you have any portrait samples with Panasonic 25mm 1.7? I'm curious to see if the price difference is worth it for the 25mm 1.4
I don't have any comparison photos, but the end result depends on so many other things than the lens, especially in portraits.
@@mattisulanto my main concern is if the photo is structured the same how much more bokeh will the 1.4 have
@@Yoko.Kurama There is a difference, but I guess you'd have to see and compare for yourself to know if it's worth it.
Thank you for this interesting comparison. I'm disappointed with the A version and the B version is surprisingly good. Now (in my humble opinion) none of them compares to my former system (Canon) or the new one (Fujifilm) unfortunately.
Thanks for your comment. No need to say unfortunately, it's your opinion and you are entitled to it😀
Thank you! You have a very good diction! I study English with your videos 😄
Thanks. There may be some better videos for that😀
Man -- the M43 (your G9, right?) looks so small compared to the S1!!!
Yeah, it's my G9. The body alone is not dramatically smaller, but together with a lens, the size is a lot smaller.
@@mattisulanto Isn´t that the G90/G95?
@@mattisulanto That' doesn't look like the G9
Sure, it's actually the G90. I was working on a G9 related video while answering these comments and got mixed up😀
Thanks for VDO..
How do you compare colour, (micro) contrast, and skin tone between the two, in your opinion..?
Thanks for commenting. I think it's not fair to compare those, because the 25mm is so much older design. I think, if Panasonic ever comes up with a new 25mm f/1.4 or f/1.2 it's gonna be a lot different than the current model.
sulantoblog Thank you.. Please help to convey message to Panasonic to build newer Nocticron-graded 25mm f1.2 for m43 user then.. I will jump into it.. Thank you :)
I'd go with the 25mm. Might find yourself with not enough room to back up with the 50mm
Both 25mm and 50mm are the same on their respective camera bodies.
@@mattisulanto oh I thought both was on m43. Now that I'm thinking about it I'd expect more background seperation from a full frame 1.4. Shouldnt a 25mm on m43 translate to 2.8 on full frame.
Okay guys free to insult me, I'm new with Lumix. I own a s5iiX with 85mm f/1.8. Amazing lens, cinematic shoots and stuff. I need a normal/wide lens for everyday content close up to the subject. I saw the lumix G line 25mm is the cheapest ever $145 and in a full frame is equivalent of 50mm. Should I take it? Whats the difference with the S 50mm? thanks whoever answer
You should only look at full frame L mount lenses for your camera. So if you need a 50mm that's what you should get. The Lumix 25mm is a Micro Four Thirds lens and not compatible with your camera.
You should have compared 50mm on MFT with 50mm on FF and composed the same shot (shot size) by moving further away with MFT. to actually show what is going on. A 50mm is a 50mm whether on FF or MFT.
There so many ways to compare😀 Maybe you can make your own comparison and then you'll get exactly what you want.
@@mattisulanto True, there are many ways to compare. Since a 25mm on MFT doesn't quite translate into a 50mm lens FF characteristics, and has its own unique MFT characteristics, keeping the same lens magnification would have revealed much more. Hence, I suggested that. Best Wishes
Too easy. The wide open aperture of the 50 over blurs the background, which can be nice but should be used sparingly.
Absolutely right. Blurry background should be used only if takes the story forward. This is one pint most short film makers miss in the beginning of their career.
The rendering of the Highlight in the background in the first picture is much more pleasing with B, soms fringing going on in A. But when you are not setting up the models and are shooting more casually you would probably not shoot wide open anyway to get both Models in focus. Interesting enough i think lens A is much more forgiving for skin imperfections, might be softness wide open but totally convenient for these kind of photos.
Thanks for your comment. I guess the more pleasing skin comes from the slight softness wide open.
Shot #1 -- Lens A is M43, Lens B is Full-Frame -- very, very similar in quality, but the bokeh gives it away (unless I am wrong!). I'd say the same for Shot #2 (A = M43, B = FF) for the same reason (DoF). Interesting -- same thing for Shot #3 -- the background for A is not as out-of-focus as the background for B. But you would not have done them all the same, so I must be wrong somewhere! Oh -- I was not listening very carefully -- you differentiated by Lens A or B, not shot and then switched them around. So I was right! Yay! What do I win???? :-) Thank you -- they both look great for that 50mm field-of-view and even with the difference in DoF they were very comparable in overall sharpness and image quality to my old eyes.
Thanks for your very observant comment😀
@@mattisulanto -- quick, slightly off topic question -- is your website done with Squarespace? Thanks!
My website is done with Wordpress.
@@mattisulanto -- OK, thank you. Looking into options for how to post my photos for general public consumption. I actually like Flickr, but effectively you have to be a member -- I want something that anyone can get to (and is not too expensive!). Oh, hey -- would you be interested in getting back into Olympus film photography???? I might be able to hook you up....
Thanks for the offer, but I think my film photography is done. I may do a video of it, though, and explain it a bit. Some day...
I choose the m43. Because of its size! Blur Dosen t matter that much to me
Yes, we all choose what we think works the best.
awesome test , thank you , I have Lens A
Thanks!
I can't care less about the bokeh, but to be honest the result of the comparison is quite obvious, that the B group gives way better color rendition and pop feeling due to the overwhelmingly larger image sensor, I love MFT for its portability and accessibility especially when shooting BROLLS in the field, but image quality wise, the popularity of full frame is quite reasonable nowadays.
Thanks.
It is an unequal comparison, it should be a 25mm f / 0.7 diaphragm since the depth of field also multiplies in the micro 4/3, in any case it would have to be compared against a 50mm F2.8 equivalent in full frame
Sure is, but I never said it's equal. Just two standard lenses with the max F1.4 aperture. The purpose of this, like said in the video, is not put these in any order, only to show some differences.
M43 is all you need. Full frame is an overkill. I feel atleast for 95% of the shooters out there this holds true!
Both systems have their strengths and that's the reason they both exist. You can make nice pictures on both.
The difference is definitely not worth the extra cost, size and weight. You could buy and carry the 45mm and still have a much cheaper, lighter and setup to carry.
Nice explain
Thanks.
much better if summilux 25mm f1.4 vs 50mm f1.8 lens
The G9 is the best camera ever. Lens A beats the 50mm on the FF Panasonic.
A, B, B.
Thanks! Interesting you didn't prefer the same lens for all photos.
A for me!
Thanks for commenting.
I like lens B
I prefer lens A.
I prefer the lens A
Thanks, Marko.
That was an obvious one...
But will I break my back carrying the Giant S1 with the giant Sputnik mounted on it.
Or Will I take my GX8 and and new G9 with some lenses on a Tyrolean Mountain Tour
Yes the S1 is better but some Geartographers and Techfreaks use Bokeh as their viagra😉😂
Have a look at these old Nikon 50mm 1.2!!! lenses down here
www.fotohits.de/themen/report/alte-objektive-an-neuen-kameras/
Why on earth is that new stuff as big a sputnik and heavy as a tank?
this was unfair comparison because a full frame camera creates more bokeh as compare to micro 4/3 and he is unfair in lens lens on camera he use 25 mm 0n micro 4/3 and 50mm on full frame