He already has a game with vanilla Poland (I think it was his first game in BNW), not to mention vanilla Poland is one of the most OP civs in the game.
Marbozir, just a trick in Standard game speed I always use to get myself rich quick, is simply.... Selling strategic resources 1 for 2 gpt rather than 2 for 3 gpt........ profit
How did this get 2 dislikes on the first minute? Are there seriously two people subbed and waiting for him to upload so they can dislike it? Because makes me a bit sad for them.
Paul Elderson I think there might honestly be bots that automatically dislike some videos. I've seen videos that aren't even by anyone very popular get disliked within seconds of being uploaded.
is this one of the best starts or what? 3 salt, 1 silver, all that hills(probably with strategic resources), so many ruins. you will do so well on this one
I strongly agree that you should settle next to the mountain. The main argument against it is that it's quite close to Warsaw, but moving to the iron doesn't really change that. And most of the overlap are salt tiles, which I would argue are useful to have within workable range of two cities. As for the iron to the north, tiles with strategic resources are highly favourable to border expansion, even if they are four tiles away from the city. Also consider that you have strategic balance on, meaning demand for iron will be substantially lower. I wouldn't give up an observatory for a slightly increased chance of securing an early game strategic resource, especially with strategic balance on.
I love how Marbozir is finding all these natural wonders playing as a civ that just happens to share colours with Spain... who are in this game as well. This is going to get really bloody confusing isn't it? And he even briefly considered going for One With Nature.
Very nice start, and very interesting wars in the foreseeable future. Settling on the spot seems like the best compromise in the long run. Looking forward to the next episodes !
Settling on the 2 iron is a good idea in my book. Even though you'll miss out on the observatory, you'll at the very least have access to building Neuschwanstein if you need the happiness later in the future.
Hey Marb! I really love your Civ content :) I have a question though: why don't you use the scanning technique with a settler to evade barbarians (your cursor indicates the presence of a unit, even if you have no vision, by showing you cant move there with a civilian unit)? I think I saw quill18 do it in one of his videos and personally I've been using it ever since. It could save you a lot of trouble and really change the flux of your game :)
"It's not a question of if we'll go to war with Shaka, it's a question of when exactly." *Shaka declares war on Spain* I actually laughed, but was disappointed that Marbozir didn't notice.
The extra iron would be nice, but in addition to losing an observatory you would also trade decent food tiles (river farms) for desert. So I would settle next to the mountain. It will be much better food-wise.
Marbozir bringing 'liberation' to Civ from HoI4! \o/ YAY! In all seriousness: _Amazing_ start (holy shit the production potential)! The only downside is Shaka, of course... :p Thank you for what's sure to be another amazing series, Marb!
Each extra iron is worth money (>1 GPT), faith (+1 from pantheon), and production (+1 from the resource, +1 from the mine, +1 with chemistry later on). The observatory is good science, for sure, but you already have an observatory city, and the capital gets the national college.So, if you settle your third city next to the mountain, you'll have to seriously think about building your NC there and growing it bigger than capital to justify the loss of all that production, faith, and money.
I would advise you to settle it near the mountain you can always settle (or capture) a city to the north and the observatory bonus is to good to pass on.
I think the grassland tile next to the mountain is the best spot for the city. It has the largest amount of workable tiles. Desert Iron honestly isn't worth it, so there's no point moving North. In the south there's tundra tiles which is even worse. Then there's the option of moving towards Moscow, which will make you compete for tiles with Russia and will make them even more pissed. The overlap with Warsaw shouldn't be a problem when you have that many good tiles (2 Plains Salt, Grassland Stone and Iron, 5 Stable resources) near you. And we all know how good observatories are.
I would suggest you settle on top of the Cattle since I think it keeps the +1 food and you'd be closer to the Wine. Russia might steal the Wine otherwise. Also, new civ series! Fuck, yes! :D
You could settle on the cattle. Less overlapping tiles, you gain a sheep. Bit more production. Slightly more aggressive of a settle and can't work the salt in Warsaw if need be.
How about the hill NW of your settler? You'd get 4 sources of iron, 3 salt, cattle, bison, and be on a hill. If you leave the barb camp to the east for a bit, Russia might let you settle on the river or mountain later.
why not settle one tile west of the horses on the river? You would get a hill, river, and be next to a mountain. Settling there would put one source of iron to the south in range as well as some bison. It would be easy to defend and you would still reach the iron and salt in the north and the wine to the east if you hurry.
OMG civ series is back! Thanks so much Marbs, I personally couldnt take another hearts of iron episode (not a big fan) Ayway this made my day! Greetings from Israel!
So this is Marbs saying: "Hey guys, I heard you liked my Poland playthroughs" :P Not that' I'm complaining, mind: I do, in fact, like Marbozir's Poland playthroughs, be it Civ or HoI :)
I would settle where the archer is. The two iron tiles to the north are flat desert, so you'd never work them anyway, and Russia or Shaka is likely to settle a crap city there to claim them before your borders grow to the tiles. Settling on the archer gets you 3 riverside plains and 3 riverside hills too. Better to pick up the 3F1H of riverside plains farm than the 3F of dry grassland farms.
Recently looked through your Civ playlist and I could no longer find your Spain LP, G&K version - are you planning to make a new Spanish one in BNW before CivVI goes on the shelves in October? Cheers for all you've done from a long time viewer ...
I vote for settling on the iron where you are now or how about the hill to the west of the horses on the river (4 titles east of Warsaw) it would mean giving up the 8 iron to the north but there are 2 nodes of iron in the south on tundra and it would trade cattle for bison but you get your observatory and a river city plus some added defense from when Shaka does attack from the north with those mountains also you are still in range of that wine.
spain next to zulu... reminds me of the eu4 eldorado playthrough... I think settle on spot might be better for that settler. Also russia might be a problem for spaming cities. i think its better to expand 1 more location (maybe next to eldorado?) soon as there are 2 expansionist ai nearby.
Did you study history or are otherwise interested in it? Judging from certain things you've said over time, it seems that you know your stuff, and you also seem to play lots of historical games. Good start to another series!
Marc what are you doing, you worked the silver for like 3 turns after u grew to pop 3. And u used your worker to finish the plains pasture before the salt
I'd argue for the observatory location for the city, the settle on spot is surrounded by and on plains and seems impossible to defend for such an aggressive forward settle
how about either on the forest tile to the north of your settler or the hill just above that? reasonably defensible and has the majority of the resources in its 3 tile radius
I'm starting to play with NQ mod recently since the only problems I have with Civ 5 are pretty much just the Social Policies... With Vanilla the always good opener is Tradition... Honor & and Piety are completely trash... Patronage is.... eh? Aesthetics is OP.. Exploration depends on the situation but weaker than Aesthetics.. ( duh ) Commerce is eh... Rationalism is a *standard* no-brainer policy tree
My most interesting and easy game on deity was with Shaka - honor opener. A lot of money and power. By the time everybody hates you it's too late for them. Very strong opener for Pangea maps
Pilsudski leading the nation from the stone age? Don't get freedom as your ideology for maximal historical accuracy. 11/10 would make Poland great again.
Would you actually consider Pilsudski or Casimir III to be Poland's greatest leaders? (The same way that I, an American, would consider Washington to be)
They're 600 years apart and lived in completely different times, so it's kind of impossible to compare. Having said that, Poland regained independence in 1918 largely thanks to Piłsudski. He is the one who made it happen. Who knows how different 20th century would've been for Poland without him.
casimir III by far. he expanded polands borders twice the size, rebuilt the economy and military and strengthened diplomacy to his neighbours in his reign
i recomend u to settle on the grassland between cattle,salt ,stone and iron near moscow.i will be exposed to russia but im sure u can defend it in cause of something.hope it helps marb :D
13:15
"It might be worth it."
"..."
"..It was not worth it. It was not worth it at all."
Famous last words
when it hit promotion I was rolling on the floor laughin :D
"Man, this is one of the best starts I've ever see-"
*shaka pops up*
RNGesus giveth and RNGesus taketh away.
Hey, Shaka nearby guarantees some action. ;)
So from a certain point of view that's a good thing...
Balanced game conformed
It's okay because Poland is known for dominating it militaristic neighbors.
Turn 0 save if you want to play along: marbozir.com/civ5saves/pilsudski-lp-turn0.zip (requires all the mods I'm using, obviously).
I have a feeling this will be an awesome game setup. More Polish armies of death!
I have no problem with this setup, but why didn't you play vanilla Poland? Is it because of hearts of iron?
nothing but great gems on the channel last few days.. cheers...
Where are you from?
He already has a game with vanilla Poland (I think it was his first game in BNW), not to mention vanilla Poland is one of the most OP civs in the game.
"... only one unique luxury in range" - The fourth one is actually Silver, not Salt, but they do look similar :D
That 3rd ciry. You should build it on rock and roll.
Marbozir, just a trick in Standard game speed I always use to get myself rich quick, is simply....
Selling strategic resources 1 for 2 gpt rather than 2 for 3 gpt........ profit
I do that also. It's a little cheesy but deity gets so many bonuses 1 bonus for myself is good for me :)
I'm pretty sure you can't sell 1 for 2 gold. At least not on Deity.
+Jurao you can. I don't believe difficulty changes worth of Lux/strat resources. Only the game length does
Is there any reference table for what the AI pays on other game speeds? Would be nice to know about all the profit you can get :D
When will Marb realize that it is not 4 salt tiles but 3 salt and 1 silver?
I was asking that myself the entire time
At the 5 minute marker I came down here to the comments to see if he ever figured it out.
How did this get 2 dislikes on the first minute? Are there seriously two people subbed and waiting for him to upload so they can dislike it? Because makes me a bit sad for them.
Probs cause of HoI4
There is only one now.
Why cause of HoI4?
People subscribed to watch Hol4 and don't want to see Civ I'd guess.
Paul Elderson I think there might honestly be bots that automatically dislike some videos. I've seen videos that aren't even by anyone very popular get disliked within seconds of being uploaded.
This is what I am talking about! Love the civ content ! :D
Love from Norway!
Shaka not a big deal if you know his position before. Aztecs are so much worse cuz of jaguars xD
Great choice Marbozir - looking forward to see which civs dare to stand up to the Polish might
is this one of the best starts or what? 3 salt, 1 silver, all that hills(probably with strategic resources), so many ruins. you will do so well on this one
Dont forget the marble.
It will hinge on the war with shaka, once he is eliminated, its cruise control from there on out.
That start was brilliant. Can't wait to see how this plays out
Thank you for finally starting a new CIV series. I was missing a part of my life for the last few weeks :'(
I strongly agree that you should settle next to the mountain. The main argument against it is that it's quite close to Warsaw, but moving to the iron doesn't really change that. And most of the overlap are salt tiles, which I would argue are useful to have within workable range of two cities. As for the iron to the north, tiles with strategic resources are highly favourable to border expansion, even if they are four tiles away from the city. Also consider that you have strategic balance on, meaning demand for iron will be substantially lower. I wouldn't give up an observatory for a slightly increased chance of securing an early game strategic resource, especially with strategic balance on.
I love how Marbozir is finding all these natural wonders playing as a civ that just happens to share colours with Spain... who are in this game as well. This is going to get really bloody confusing isn't it?
And he even briefly considered going for One With Nature.
Very nice start, and very interesting wars in the foreseeable future. Settling on the spot seems like the best compromise in the long run. Looking forward to the next episodes !
damn that settle spot, 10 miles of packed resources in every direction, could fit several cities
That second city location is bonkers. Like the perfect city.
Settling on the 2 iron is a good idea in my book. Even though you'll miss out on the observatory, you'll at the very least have access to building Neuschwanstein if you need the happiness later in the future.
YES MORE CIV! Thank you for the upload Marbs!
Love the amount of vids coming everyday. And they're not really bad either. Great work man
Finally. Thank you, Mr. Marbozir.
wow standard speed seems much much faster.
I'm so glad you're back on Civ :)
Hey Marb! I really love your Civ content :)
I have a question though: why don't you use the scanning technique with a settler to evade barbarians (your cursor indicates the presence of a unit, even if you have no vision, by showing you cant move there with a civilian unit)?
I think I saw quill18 do it in one of his videos and personally I've been using it ever since. It could save you a lot of trouble and really change the flux of your game :)
It's kinda exploiting the crappy game engine to cheat though.
"It's not a question of if we'll go to war with Shaka, it's a question of when exactly."
*Shaka declares war on Spain*
I actually laughed, but was disappointed that Marbozir didn't notice.
Settling on spot also gives you a new luxury.
Pilsudski has some great eyebrows. Wow
Boy, did I miss this series!
The extra iron would be nice, but in addition to losing an observatory you would also trade decent food tiles (river farms) for desert. So I would settle next to the mountain. It will be much better food-wise.
cattle(and grass bison) is literally the best bonus resource to on top off, you get one free food for the full game
Marbozir bringing 'liberation' to Civ from HoI4! \o/ YAY!
In all seriousness: _Amazing_ start (holy shit the production potential)! The only downside is Shaka, of course... :p
Thank you for what's sure to be another amazing series, Marb!
Yay!
I've been waiting on this forever!
Each extra iron is worth money (>1 GPT), faith (+1 from pantheon), and production (+1 from the resource, +1 from the mine, +1 with chemistry later on). The observatory is good science, for sure, but you already have an observatory city, and the capital gets the national college.So, if you settle your third city next to the mountain, you'll have to seriously think about building your NC there and growing it bigger than capital to justify the loss of all that production, faith, and money.
I would advise you to settle it near the mountain you can always settle (or capture) a city to the north and the observatory bonus is to good to pass on.
I think the grassland tile next to the mountain is the best spot for the city. It has the largest amount of workable tiles. Desert Iron honestly isn't worth it, so there's no point moving North. In the south there's tundra tiles which is even worse. Then there's the option of moving towards Moscow, which will make you compete for tiles with Russia and will make them even more pissed. The overlap with Warsaw shouldn't be a problem when you have that many good tiles (2 Plains Salt, Grassland Stone and Iron, 5 Stable resources) near you. And we all know how good observatories are.
Józef Piłsudzki was a hero of polish-bolshewik war
I would suggest you settle on top of the Cattle since I think it keeps the +1 food and you'd be closer to the Wine. Russia might steal the Wine otherwise. Also, new civ series! Fuck, yes! :D
CATCH UP RECENTLY!
Wait it for SO LONG!!!
You could settle on the cattle. Less overlapping tiles, you gain a sheep. Bit more production. Slightly more aggressive of a settle and can't work the salt in Warsaw if need be.
The HoI4 has been a good watch, but always look forward to your Civ V stuff.
settle on spot so you get the iron hello faith buildings.
Cant wait for your next upload. going to watch more hearts of iron now
Awesome start!
How about the hill NW of your settler? You'd get 4 sources of iron, 3 salt, cattle, bison, and be on a hill. If you leave the barb camp to the east for a bit, Russia might let you settle on the river or mountain later.
You were going to do a more complicated set-up? Let me guess, it involved the Nazis and the Soviet Union. :)
It did involve more modded civs, yeah.
yesss i've been waiting
Thanks Marbs :)
Moustache of Poland - second to none!
why not settle one tile west of the horses on the river? You would get a hill, river, and be next to a mountain. Settling there would put one source of iron to the south in range as well as some bison. It would be easy to defend and you would still reach the iron and salt in the north and the wine to the east if you hurry.
Recommend internal food routes to your capital, you have so many hills for insane production, but you need the population growth first.
finally civ 5 again!!! but please dont leave hoi4 :( greetings from chile
OMG civ series is back! Thanks so much Marbs, I personally couldnt take another hearts of iron episode (not a big fan)
Ayway this made my day!
Greetings from Israel!
Yeah me too, although it's only 3weeks since his last let's play Civ 5, it feels like eternity. lol
You could build your new city in the middle of the iron because you would also get the salt to the north of the iron as well.
So this is Marbs saying: "Hey guys, I heard you liked my Poland playthroughs" :P Not that' I'm complaining, mind: I do, in fact, like Marbozir's Poland playthroughs, be it Civ or HoI :)
4:33 always reminds me of back street boys
having played with future wars, you want tundra, the habitation dome is like a better farm that you can only build on tundra and dessert
I would settle where the archer is. The two iron tiles to the north are flat desert, so you'd never work them anyway, and Russia or Shaka is likely to settle a crap city there to claim them before your borders grow to the tiles. Settling on the archer gets you 3 riverside plains and 3 riverside hills too. Better to pick up the 3F1H of riverside plains farm than the 3F of dry grassland farms.
18:50 Reminds me of DDRJake's Ainu campaign lol
YES, finally a civ
Can't wait for the new series Marb, thanks! Also are you ever planning on going to any events like E3 or doing any fan meet ups?
I think Dance of the Aurora could have netted a lot of faith per turn, but I guess Earth Mother was nice because you were working salt tiles anyways
Recently looked through your Civ playlist and I could no longer find your Spain LP, G&K version - are you planning to make a new Spanish one in BNW before CivVI goes on the shelves in October? Cheers for all you've done from a long time viewer ...
Aww yeah, my fix
Rationalism Removal?
...That changes many, many things.
I vote for settling on the iron where you are now or how about the hill to the west of the horses on the river (4 titles east of Warsaw) it would mean giving up the 8 iron to the north but there are 2 nodes of iron in the south on tundra and it would trade cattle for bison but you get your observatory and a river city plus some added defense from when Shaka does attack from the north with those mountains also you are still in range of that wine.
ahh, the times when Marbs was deadly efficient at CIV5...
spain next to zulu... reminds me of the eu4 eldorado playthrough...
I think settle on spot might be better for that settler. Also russia might be a problem for spaming cities. i think its better to expand 1 more location (maybe next to eldorado?) soon as there are 2 expansionist ai nearby.
Did you study history or are otherwise interested in it? Judging from certain things you've said over time, it seems that you know your stuff, and you also seem to play lots of historical games.
Good start to another series!
What about settling on the hill 2 tiles NW of where your settler is standing?
gonna miss the wine
I agree, Marbozir would get 4 iron, 3 salt, 2 cows, 1 horse, 1 stone.
So there is a city state called Vilnius, I wonder what would be Polands 4th or 5th city named under Pilsudski...Wilno?
Marc what are you doing, you worked the silver for like 3 turns after u grew to pop 3. And u used your worker to finish the plains pasture before the salt
I'd argue for the observatory location for the city, the settle on spot is surrounded by and on plains and seems impossible to defend for such an aggressive forward settle
Well that was some random recommendation, but a good one.
how about either on the forest tile to the north of your settler or the hill just above that? reasonably defensible and has the majority of the resources in its 3 tile radius
what we say for strategic ballance, not today
why not settle the third city on the hill north to the forest? Miss out on the wine obviously but would gain even more iron (and faith)?
in one of Flithy games u said that u prefer mountain over river. Seems like not over iron :D
Have you considered playing scenarios at all Marbs?
Marbo-Poland rise in here too
Play with nqmod and map marbz. Played deity with those and felt like pantheon and social policies were a lot more balanced and important.
Settle into space! it make you stronk.
Do u know Anno series game ? Id like to see this lets play
Yeah that could be interesting
Yeah that could be interesting
Yes that could be intresting
Good to see a new civ 5 series. Too bad I'm too used to cpp ;(
I'm starting to play with NQ mod recently since the only problems I have with Civ 5 are pretty much just the Social Policies...
With Vanilla the always good opener is Tradition...
Honor & and Piety are completely trash...
Patronage is.... eh?
Aesthetics is OP..
Exploration depends on the situation but weaker than Aesthetics.. ( duh )
Commerce is eh...
Rationalism is a *standard* no-brainer policy tree
+Vincent Susilo And Liberty is almost always weaker than Tradition
My most interesting and easy game on deity was with Shaka - honor opener. A lot of money and power. By the time everybody hates you it's too late for them. Very strong opener for Pangea maps
Vincent Susilo NQ mod?
No, I don't use mods.
finally!
that was a ton of ruins
Finally!
that's a serious pair of eyebrows
Why don't you go for Liberty marbz? That free settler and worker are really powerful early game
Does barbarians counts as foe with greater military force?
Aww, a new civ series since forever and you have already won at turn 0.
Yeah!
wow lol, somehow I missed that series
Why is everything so small. Can you change the screen resolution back to the same as the other vids?
That start. Its Ok.
I wish my laptop was as good as Marbz...
I severely doubt he's recording these on a laptop.
Jurao I think he meant he wishes his laptop was as good as Marbs' PC, it was just worded a little weird.
My civ 5 always crashes when loading mods or scenarios. Any suggestions on how to fix?
Pilsudski leading the nation from the stone age? Don't get freedom as your ideology for maximal historical accuracy.
11/10 would make Poland great again.
lol Marb got start I try to have with my Spanish Gigantic Deity marathon game :(
Ahh yes, the good old Polish-Russo rivalry ;P
Would you actually consider Pilsudski or Casimir III to be Poland's greatest leaders? (The same way that I, an American, would consider Washington to be)
They're 600 years apart and lived in completely different times, so it's kind of impossible to compare. Having said that, Poland regained independence in 1918 largely thanks to Piłsudski. He is the one who made it happen. Who knows how different 20th century would've been for Poland without him.
Leaders can be ranked best to worst but in the end, they're all terrible.
With a k not c
casimir III by far. he expanded polands borders twice the size, rebuilt the economy and military and strengthened diplomacy to his neighbours in his reign
Piłsudski is overrated and history behind him is not really true.
In this game poland's capital is salt lake city
i recomend u to settle on the grassland between cattle,salt ,stone and iron near moscow.i will be exposed to russia but im sure u can defend it in cause of something.hope it helps marb :D