Thank you, Steven, for your enthusiasm about the restoration and for building bridges, your role is so significant! I am LDS with a Lutheran background living in Germany, and I realise where I need to engage myself more actively in embracing other religions around me, there is such a wealth of knowledge to acquire. Thank you for the respect and excitement you show towards the restoration movement, it is contagious! I’m in the middle of reading Rough Stone Rolling, so having Richard Bushman on again was a real bonus!
42:25 So, there are verses of the Quran that quote almost verbatim verbiage used in the Church’s temple ceremonies. Particularly in the book Surah 2, Al-Baqara (The Heifer). I have been reading the translation done by Abdullah Yusuf Ali).
@@Tom-fo5ce that’s the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Joseph Smith did not have a copy of the Quran anywhere near him. He could not have copied it. It was inspired by God, just as much of the Quran was. God gave Mohommed some knowledge and wisdom to help his people. Sadly, sometimes what man receives from God they mess up and fall. But it doesn’t mean God didn’t dispense the knowledge of it. Most members of the Church think Mohammed could have been a prophet who either fell or people corrupted his memory and they fell into their own tradition based on what was dispensed, similar to how Christianity was corrupted by the political leaders of the day. God also gave Ellen G. White a vision of what looks identical to the Nauvoo temple. She was a contemporary of Joseph Smith yet they never met and never conversed. How could they have both received the same vision? Because GOD dispensed it.
@@zionmama150 Exactly. The only logical conclusion is that God is constantly revealing truths to people and those who have much truth revealed to them are the prophets of the day.
@@zionmama150 I disagree. I think the dumbest thing you ever heard was when someone brainwashed you into thinking humans get messages from supernatural beings (sometimes but usually only thousands of years ago, in caves and always where no one can else can prove it!).
Richard has had such a great career as a Harvard trained historian. He portrays Joseph Smith as a person with common failings in Rough Stone Rolling. I also enjoyed his work on farming, Joseph Smith and early Mormonism, and historiography.
Steven! You are a trail blazer! Another great interview and discussion! There is no doubt you are doing God's work! Thank you for the amazing efforts to bring people together for civil discussion!
I LOVE YOUR ENTHUSIASM. I really enjoy your delight in discovering truths, not putting anything in a box, not making anything taboo, not pushing any agenda, not trying to convert anyone. I love the bridges being created. I hope that some Later-day-Saint will make the effort to get to know people of other faiths and understand their faith perespective.
Thank you for this wonderful interview with Dr. Bushman. I cannot express fully how much I respect and appreciate your approach to things so sacred to us. Thanks again. You are a friend of the restoration.
Interesting discussion. The history and provenance of the plates is always a fascinating discussion, and what they were and where they came from (and if they actually existed). I've read Rough Stone Rolling by Dr. Bushman, and it's a good engaging read. Hopefully I can get a chance to read through the new book as well.
@@weirdlanguageguy He's evil to mormons? Why? He does not shout to the crowd that the mormon king has no clothes. He keeps the scam afloat like a good little LDS pretender and he has academic credentials (which he should turn in)
Great video! I thought the part about churches forming alliances instead of seeing eachother in competition was very moving and I fully agree. Also I think Professor Bushman is a great ambassador for the faith: open-minded, fair, optimistic, considerate. Like you said you can research academically what is the church all you want but the real proof of the church's value is in the people.
A wager: Bushman is secretly ashamed of his support of the mormon scam. He wants one foot in real scientific history and one foot in the big mormon fib so he doesn't have to go through the messy effort to come clean. He would serve humanity better if he got honest
Look let us let all those who are happy in their beliefs be happy. These r tense times. Respect Ɓushman. Respect one another's beliefs. Respect yourself.
Respect beliefs and testimonies based on feelings. 😂. The fact of the matter is there were never any gold plates because there were never any Nephites. Period dot. There are no Nephites, there is zero evidence for them and they are entirely fictional. Even the LDS church is moving away from the BoM being actual history. No Nephites equals no plates. It’s that simple. Let’s not forget no culture was literate in the Americas prior to the Europeans arriving. The best we can do is secondary oral cultures like the Mayans. Secondary Oral cultures did not produce narratives and or write books. Finally, the BoM culture was millions of people who were literate and writing. So where is all the writing? Jesus, King Benjamin told them to write and distribute their sermons. Not to mention all the other things that were written as the BoM tells us. So where is it? We have thousands of Roman and Greek writing examples cultures who were literate. With the millions of Nephites and Lamanites where is all their writing? There is a reason it doesn’t exist for the same reason the golden plates don’t exist it’s because they are fictional. You don’t get to believe in something with zero evidence based on feelings and call it true. I’m sorry you don’t.
Steven, you're a very good interviewer! You bring a high degree of scholarship to the subjects you're speaking on. And, I find your perspective both interesting and unique. You obviously do not believe the core tenants of the restored gospel or else you'd get baptized, but neither are you contentious or condescending as most outside the faith are, particularly those with RUclips channels aimed at us. I don't think Richard Bushman does a great job here answering your questions but, full disclosure, I'm not his biggest fan. Have you considered interviewing Dan Peterson? Particularly since you're going down the road of the witnesses, Joseph's life outside his calling, and the culture in which the gospel was restored. I don't think anyone knows more about these topics or is better at explaining them.
Whether Joseph Smith Jr. used the Spectacles or Seer Stone or both together, they were regular objects until God gave them power, same for the Breastplate Of Judgement. Is it really so hard to believe that God could change a stone to show truth, when man can make a Smartwatch "stone" that can show everything true or false that mankind knows?
Is the host of this show LDS? Was suggested this channel and have noticed a trend of persons who claim to be evangelical but appear to credit the BOM as scripture and seem to accept the teachings/doctrines of the church. Not trying to be critical but wondering if it’s just evangelicals learning about Mormonism to convert or just Mormons posing as evangelicals 🤷🏻♀️ there seems to be quite a few lately reading the BOM, attending services etc.
He's not LDS, but he's very fascinated with all things "Restoration." He's also not limited to just the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He's interviewed a number of people from the Community of Christ (former RLDS), the Church of Jesus Christ and several other forms of the restoration.
lol..really? More about Christ than the Bible? The new testament was written by the eyewitnesses of Christ and His followers. The whole New Testament is about Jesus! What are you talking about? @@wayneorr6748
“Indigenous identity, history, sovereignty, and belief systems have not only been dismissed but replaced with a limited, racialized identity grounded in Mormon religious discourse." Elise Boxer The BoM is a racist book. Thomas Murphy and many others have explained this. Bushman and any other apologist is repeating racist themes and dismissing native culture and stories. It's absolutely shameful
THis is not difficulkt to understand. you can have physical objects which are terrestrial . you see them in the spirit. However they are handled in the flesh. as well. They are not to be triffled with. The is why the angel took them back. We note the Ark of the Covenant is such an item
You light up when you talk about the Book of Mormon! It truly IS from God! You have a bright spirit and I know you have intense feelings towards the restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Holy Ghost is telling you over and over that it’s true. Awesome for YOU! Also proud of you standing up against the naysayers who attack you, not letting them affect your drive and love for the restoration.
Haha u set bushman up. You could see it written all over his face their at the end. Hes all like "u son of a..." Ah man i was rolling...i was like a rough stone rolling on the floor. Masterfully done my man. The book is right there within arms reach even feined looking at the wrong side. 💀
If he made it up after all he went through he would have said I made this up I’ve had enough. If he made it up and had those who were witnesses would you take their membership from them. They would have told everyone about the whole thing but they never denied their testimony. He never would have took their membership away from them. Carol. He had nothing to gain but lost so much even his life the temple ceremony was always about Christ but they have just made it clearer..
Nah. The book is an obvious fraud. Beyond all the sciences (Biology, Chemistry, Anthropology, Archaeology, Geology...) proving it a fraud, the very idea of a literary society in that setting is a joke.
Just because both had angels no one else saw hand them convoluted scriptures, also unseen by anyone else, that gave them power over large numbers of people and women does not mean they are the same kind of prophet!
The Quran denies that Yeshua is the promised Messiah. Moroni 7:17 But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; neither do they who subject themselves unto him.
Saw a video other day where 2 missionaries engaged with two Israelites of African countenance. The Israelites stomped their arguments from BOM like cigarette butt on the street. Just saying our own paths. They all believed in Christ.
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Very nice interview.
Thank you, Steven, for your enthusiasm about the restoration and for building bridges, your role is so significant! I am LDS with a Lutheran background living in Germany, and I realise where I need to engage myself more actively in embracing other religions around me, there is such a wealth of knowledge to acquire. Thank you for the respect and excitement you show towards the restoration movement, it is contagious! I’m in the middle of reading Rough Stone Rolling, so having Richard Bushman on again was a real bonus!
42:25 So, there are verses of the Quran that quote almost verbatim verbiage used in the Church’s temple ceremonies. Particularly in the book Surah 2, Al-Baqara (The Heifer). I have been reading the translation done by Abdullah Yusuf Ali).
Shhh! The mormons don't want anyone to know how Joe copied Mo!
@@Tom-fo5ce that’s the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Joseph Smith did not have a copy of the Quran anywhere near him. He could not have copied it. It was inspired by God, just as much of the Quran was. God gave Mohommed some knowledge and wisdom to help his people. Sadly, sometimes what man receives from God they mess up and fall. But it doesn’t mean God didn’t dispense the knowledge of it. Most members of the Church think Mohammed could have been a prophet who either fell or people corrupted his memory and they fell into their own tradition based on what was dispensed, similar to how Christianity was corrupted by the political leaders of the day.
God also gave Ellen G. White a vision of what looks identical to the Nauvoo temple. She was a contemporary of Joseph Smith yet they never met and never conversed. How could they have both received the same vision? Because GOD dispensed it.
@@zionmama150Mohammed, Ellen g White, and Joseph Smith were NOT prophets
@@zionmama150 Exactly. The only logical conclusion is that God is constantly revealing truths to people and those who have much truth revealed to them are the prophets of the day.
@@zionmama150 I disagree. I think the dumbest thing you ever heard was when someone brainwashed you into thinking humans get messages from supernatural beings (sometimes but usually only thousands of years ago, in caves and always where no one can else can prove it!).
Richard has had such a great career as a Harvard trained historian. He portrays Joseph Smith as a person with common failings in Rough Stone Rolling. I also enjoyed his work on farming, Joseph Smith and early Mormonism, and historiography.
Love dr bushman
Steven! You are a trail blazer! Another great interview and discussion! There is no doubt you are doing God's work! Thank you for the amazing efforts to bring people together for civil discussion!
I LOVE YOUR ENTHUSIASM. I really enjoy your delight in discovering truths, not putting anything in a box, not making anything taboo, not pushing any agenda, not trying to convert anyone. I love the bridges being created. I hope that some Later-day-Saint will make the effort to get to know people of other faiths and understand their faith perespective.
Gracious interaction between two gracious souls.🖐🖐🖐🖐🖐
Thank you for this wonderful interview with Dr. Bushman. I cannot express fully how much I respect and appreciate your approach to things so sacred to us. Thanks again. You are a friend of the restoration.
Simply I loved this one Thank you I enjoyed it all
Brilliant video again Steve. Thanks for the mention.
Open hearts 💕 and minds. Hurray!!!!!
Loved that. Bushman has a very quiet pure dignity and spirit. Great interview!
You have a great program, you are a remarkable person. Not afraid to learn. Thank you. Carol
Loving this. ❤️
Interesting discussion. The history and provenance of the plates is always a fascinating discussion, and what they were and where they came from (and if they actually existed). I've read Rough Stone Rolling by Dr. Bushman, and it's a good engaging read. Hopefully I can get a chance to read through the new book as well.
@elainerooker-deputyassista9223 no. We Latter Day Saints think he’s evil
@@weirdlanguageguy He's evil to mormons? Why? He does not shout to the crowd that the mormon king has no clothes. He keeps the scam afloat like a good little LDS pretender and he has academic credentials (which he should turn in)
@@weirdlanguageguy Dr. Bushman is evil? I'm not sure I'm following.
Great video! I thought the part about churches forming alliances instead of seeing eachother in competition was very moving and I fully agree.
Also I think Professor Bushman is a great ambassador for the faith: open-minded, fair, optimistic, considerate. Like you said you can research academically what is the church all you want but the real proof of the church's value is in the people.
Awesome! Can't wait to watch this, congrats on getting Bushman on!
Love ❤️ and respect Dr. Bushman. The intellect and integrity.
Thanks for interviewing Richard Bushman. One of my favorite modern LDS scholars.. I love how he is still going strong in his 90's :)
A wager: Bushman is secretly ashamed of his support of the mormon scam. He wants one foot in real scientific history and one foot in the big mormon fib so he doesn't have to go through the messy effort to come clean. He would serve humanity better if he got honest
Look let us let all those who are happy in their beliefs be happy. These r tense times. Respect Ɓushman. Respect one another's beliefs. Respect yourself.
Love this comment. Amen.
Respect beliefs and testimonies based on feelings. 😂. The fact of the matter is there were never any gold plates because there were never any Nephites. Period dot. There are no Nephites, there is zero evidence for them and they are entirely fictional. Even the LDS church is moving away from the BoM being actual history. No Nephites equals no plates. It’s that simple. Let’s not forget no culture was literate in the Americas prior to the Europeans arriving. The best we can do is secondary oral cultures like the Mayans. Secondary Oral cultures did not produce narratives and or write books. Finally, the BoM culture was millions of people who were literate and writing. So where is all the writing? Jesus, King Benjamin told them to write and distribute their sermons. Not to mention all the other things that were written as the BoM tells us. So where is it? We have thousands of Roman and Greek writing examples cultures who were literate. With the millions of Nephites and Lamanites where is all their writing? There is a reason it doesn’t exist for the same reason the golden plates don’t exist it’s because they are fictional. You don’t get to believe in something with zero evidence based on feelings and call it true. I’m sorry you don’t.
@@TheChenny73 I hate to break it to you, but there was written language in Mesoamerica.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_writing_systems
Thank you for being a peacemaker ❤
Steven, you're a very good interviewer! You bring a high degree of scholarship to the subjects you're speaking on. And, I find your perspective both interesting and unique. You obviously do not believe the core tenants of the restored gospel or else you'd get baptized, but neither are you contentious or condescending as most outside the faith are, particularly those with RUclips channels aimed at us.
I don't think Richard Bushman does a great job here answering your questions but, full disclosure, I'm not his biggest fan. Have you considered interviewing Dan Peterson? Particularly since you're going down the road of the witnesses, Joseph's life outside his calling, and the culture in which the gospel was restored. I don't think anyone knows more about these topics or is better at explaining them.
Whether Joseph Smith Jr. used the Spectacles or Seer Stone or both together, they were regular objects until God gave them power, same for the Breastplate Of Judgement. Is it really so hard to believe that God could change a stone to show truth, when man can make a Smartwatch "stone" that can show everything true or false that mankind knows?
All Christian’s need to work together for the world is fighting against that their is even a god. We need each other
This is fine pronouncement. Thank you Dr. Bushman.
Is the host of this show LDS? Was suggested this channel and have noticed a trend of persons who claim to be evangelical but appear to credit the BOM as scripture and seem to accept the teachings/doctrines of the church. Not trying to be critical but wondering if it’s just evangelicals learning about Mormonism to convert or just Mormons posing as evangelicals 🤷🏻♀️ there seems to be quite a few lately reading the BOM, attending services etc.
He's not LDS, but he's very fascinated with all things "Restoration." He's also not limited to just the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He's interviewed a number of people from the Community of Christ (former RLDS), the Church of Jesus Christ and several other forms of the restoration.
He's evangelical. But loves ❤️ church history. All religions. Am xlds still love ❤️ Bushman. Respect divergent cultures.
He is just more open minded
We love the bible but the Book of Mormon teaches you more of Christ than any other book. I love all truth carol
lol..really? More about Christ than the Bible? The new testament was written by the eyewitnesses of Christ and His followers. The whole New Testament is about Jesus! What are you talking about? @@wayneorr6748
“Indigenous identity, history, sovereignty, and belief systems have not only been dismissed but replaced with a limited, racialized identity grounded in Mormon religious discourse." Elise Boxer
The BoM is a racist book. Thomas Murphy and many others have explained this. Bushman and any other apologist is repeating racist themes and dismissing native culture and stories. It's absolutely shameful
Art is universal language.
THis is not difficulkt to understand. you can have physical objects which are terrestrial . you see them in the spirit. However they are handled in the flesh. as well. They are not to be triffled with. The is why the angel took them back. We note the Ark of the Covenant is such an item
You light up when you talk about the Book of Mormon! It truly IS from God! You have a bright spirit and I know you have intense feelings towards the restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Holy Ghost is telling you over and over that it’s true. Awesome for YOU! Also proud of you standing up against the naysayers who attack you, not letting them affect your drive and love for the restoration.
Haha u set bushman up. You could see it written all over his face their at the end. Hes all like "u son of a..."
Ah man i was rolling...i was like a rough stone rolling on the floor.
Masterfully done my man. The book is right there within arms reach even feined looking at the wrong side. 💀
If he made it up after all he went through he would have said I made this up I’ve had enough. If he made it up and had those who were witnesses would you take their membership from them. They would have told everyone about the whole thing but they never denied their testimony. He never would have took their membership away from them. Carol. He had nothing to gain but lost so much even his life the temple ceremony was always about Christ but they have just made it clearer..
Nah. The book is an obvious fraud. Beyond all the sciences (Biology, Chemistry, Anthropology, Archaeology, Geology...) proving it a fraud, the very idea of a literary society in that setting is a joke.
Brother Pinegar, God loves you 🙏💟 have you read the Quran?
Joseph Smith was as much of a prophet as Muhammad 😅😅
Just because both had angels no one else saw hand them convoluted scriptures, also unseen by anyone else, that gave them power over large numbers of people and women does not mean they are the same kind of prophet!
@@Tom-fo5ce pedoprophets then 😂
The fact people say muhammad and joseph smith are the same are either intellectually dishonest or not intellectual at all 😂😂😂 which one are you?
@@mexicansmurf1538Well, they both married underage girls.
The Quran denies that Yeshua is the promised Messiah.
Moroni 7:17 But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; neither do they who subject themselves unto him.
The Jews in Jesus's time denied that Jesus was the Messiah. We're all on our own footpaths...
Saw a video other day where 2 missionaries engaged with two Israelites of African countenance. The Israelites stomped their arguments from BOM like cigarette butt on the street. Just saying our own paths. They all believed in Christ.
Moroni page 61: Joe persuadeth many a fine young lady, and a few plain but rich ones too, so they keepeth the cash flowing as needeth
restore my newmame how about bubbabump
You are drawn to the story of the spectacles? You need to get a hobby.