The clip with the Pike, La'an, Uhura, and Chapel getting vulcanized also makes no sense because those attitudes and the Vulcan Emotional Suppression are all learned behaviors and skills. Vulcans without years of logical and emotional suppression actually have much stronger emotions than humans, which almost destroyed their society before Surak introduced logic and those emotional suppression techniques. La'an and Chapel tend to suppress their emotions as humans, so they *might* be okay but Pike and Uhura are both rather 'wear emotions on their sleeves' and if they were suddenly fully Vulcan they would have their emotions bouncing all over the walls. Sure, they might be biologically Vulcan, but everything else (including the magically changed hairstyles) make zero sense with all of established canon (as well as espousing some troubling ideas of biological essentialism) and seems a little too 'played for laughs'
While true, we're missing an entire episode of context. It's entirely possible those issues you bring up will be brought up in the show. After all, we already know the transformation has at least one issue, why can't it have more?
@@Stomaia87 I hope so and the show has been outstanding so far in balancing real issues with comedy, so they have a lot of grace with me, so I am willing to suspend judgement. It is, however, a concern.
@@Stomaia87 Considering things like Rutherford's implant having emotional suppression, it's possible there's some similiar explaination. Be it some chemical or technological addition to the serum or something. Or they just won't think about it and it'll stay unexplained.
I cant believe im not even the slightest interested into any of those and i love Trek and rewatch the old shows and movies all the time, but i have no desire to even watch the trailers for those shows anymore! :(
It’s like they’re experimenting with how much sugar to add to the badder of the worst corn dogs ever, where the meat is the worst empty calorie mash of shameless money making and agenda pushing. The outside is a super thin layer of IP or a factory mistake size chunk of it but either way, full of sugar to hide the taste of the inside. Sugar machine set on diabetes.
You talking about yourselves, you know. Recently Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy used the stupidity of the Alt Right to push H1B1 visas to promote hiring FOREIGN ENGINEERS instead of MAGA. He called white USA Right Wingers stupid and lazy and will replace you.
Im not a Discovery basher, but you got to admit looking back at that last season, the writing was pretty lackluster and full of holes. But to be honest, as a whole that kind of sums up ST: Discovery
other people I dont like exist? this comment doesnt make a lot of sense and I never said anything about not liking people. and I think your confused about what metaphor to use as well. Please enjoy your 5 seasons of Discovery and have a nice day jaygee6738.
@jaygee6738 standard tactics of attributing disagreement over a bad show to "hating people's existence " no longer work. Pathetic attempt to discredit and silence dissent is all that is. Grow up and get a real argument.
Hrrrm, time to rewatch Prodigy! Who's with me? I, for one, will not give up this particular show so easy. Honestly, from all Star Trek Shows, this one hit my hart critical and dearly.
It kinda happened once before when IDW Publishing briefly hosted both IPs for their comics, showed the 11th Doctor teaming with Picard’s TNG crew to face off against Cybermen upgraded with Borg tech that threatened to fully take over the collective (and thus make the Borg more aggressive in their goals of assimilating both universes).
I get a lot of fans are fans of both, but the two universes are just too different. I also don't want to see Star Trek/Star Wars, or Star Trek/Lord of the Rings, etc. Nods and easter eggs are the most that should happen.
As much as I was relieved Picard S3 found redemption in itself, I was never completely onboard with Legacy. It was just too unbelievably simple of a setup; Seven jumps to Captaincy, Raffi gets first officer (??), Jack's sticking around without Academy training (???), and the hamfisted renaming of the Titan... Yeah, nothing about it felt like must watch Star Trek. We've already seen Q messing around with crew members and should take a lesson from DS9 and not rehash that again. At no point did I feel any of the new cast was carrying the show or had the ability to; they would 100% be dependent on Seven stepping up and making it her show. We might be hearing S3 fans saying they want it, but those probably are not the numbers Paramount is looking for.
Legacy's not a promising setup for a Star Trek show, but given what they've got coming down the pipe I'd say it's more appealing than what we're going to be getting.
As a black woman I am glad that Discovery is not a safe country for us. Most Africans here don't like American and China and the East are what we pay attention to. Gen Z watch KPop and KDramas if we want to indulge in foreign markets and have erased American entertainment from their watchlist. America is backward ass country and we don't want to low culture to effect us. Thank you, this was a blessing. We can cut ties with the West permanently.
This is admittedly a weird transition period for the Trek franchise, what with the various streaming series (apart from our beloved SNW) all going bust and no clear road map laid out for the future as copyrights change hands and what not. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
I remain in positivity about things, despite how badly things have gone this year. We’ve definitely had some fantastic seasons of Trek this year, despite the cancellations. I know Paramount is going through a time of transition, with the merger/takeover with Skydance. Similarly, Paramount+ are very likely to be getting a major reworking next year. So, it’s possible that the dust will settle and we’ll end up getting more Trek than we expected, including (fingers crossed🤞) more Lower Decks and Prodigy in some form.
One word sums up every star trek series since enterprise ended and that word is 'crap' Its a toss up between star trek and star wars for the most destruction to a franchise in the whole history of tv
I feel like they have a 5 season limit. But with so few episodes it feels even shorter than it should be. Not sure what there problem is Prodigy is though.
I am one of the handful of Trekkies not pining for a continuation of PIC in a Star Trek: Legacy, at least not in the form it was left in at the end of the previous series - the choice to rename the ship, the fast-tracking of Jack into Starfleet and onto the bridge, putting on-again, off-again girlfriend Raffi as Seven's first officer, and the reappearance of Q. Then there's the Shaw of it all. Everyone else wants to bring him back in one way or another, but it all feels contrived to me. I'm also not feeling everyone's fan service suggestions of bringing in the children of a bunch of other characters, Jake, Alexander, Naomi, Kestra, etc. The one character that would make the most sense to bring back is the one that's impossible: Nog (RIP Aron Eisenberg). Now that's an interesting first officer for Seven of Nine. He would be a little old to still be a commander, but I'm sure you could find some reason for him to be stuck there. Maybe Starfleet Command wasn't ready for a Ferengi commanding officer, or there was some sort of flare-up of his PTSD that caused him to take a sabbatical.
As someone who is mixed-race, watching Spock being bullied is tough it hits too close to home, echoing similar things that have been said to me in real life. While it’s fine to explore the challenges of navigating two different cultures, this feels like a lazy attempt at comedy.
I respect where you're coming from. And I agree it's an awkward and forced comedic error. Both sci-fi and horror are known to employ comedy, but of the two, sci-fi doesn't typically 'kick down' for cheap thrills (or humor). And whatever hits me as cringey, also fails to make me laugh.
@scockery I suspect Vulcans can be prejudiced while also being logical due to the fact that any insulting comments they make are always drawn from "fact" and they're simply stating said "facts" with the intent to educate abd encourage personal betterment for a greater good. They want others to be better - Vulcan better - because it makes it easier on them to manage their tightly controlled maelstrom of emotions. Humans are especially problematic because we're them (Vulcans) before the Age of Surak and they don't like being reminded of how they almost destroyed themselves.
An honorary mention: ending the merchandise deal with BlueBrixx - they produced nearly 80 sets, from different sizes of space ships to life sized gadgets like tricorders. So many great sets. it’s a shame, would have loved to see their refit/A Enterprise. Let’s see, maybe the rumor is true and we get one Star Trek Lego set… and than nothing more
15:26 whenever I hear Seán say ‘Written by Jack Kiely’, is it just me that expects him to continue by saying ‘Spared no expense’ 😆 If you know, you know 😆
I wasn’t aware of 3/4 if these “disappointments,” as I don’t pay attention to studio and industry politics, season preview teasers, projects that -might- happen. I thought this list would focus on disappointments within the actual shows. Not that I can think of many…
Not nonsense. The plot with the new number one in Discovery was unlike any other show in the series. Discovery wasn't always great but it has a lot of great moments throughout it that added to the series.
@Fallenburn1618 this was my issue. Rather than them trying to scientifically try to escape an emergency, they'd use it to have a therapy session with a character I had no reason to care about. Like, you're about to die, why are you talking about your mommy issues??
@@MikeWilsonBarrett I actually liked it more then... But the fundamental problems persisted. Everything was done to and by Michael Burnham, and everyone else was cardboard cutouts. It was poor writing everywhere.
@@Atlas_System01 Personally, I don't want a guy who hangs out with white supremacists anywhere near Star Trek, so I hope Bob Iger keeps Matalas busy making Disney slop for years to come.
I felt the weakest part of discovery was the lack of consistency with a captain, it felt like they were changing the captain every season break. " Ok gang gather around time to play musical captains chair" (pop goes the weasel plays over the com). 😂
Season five of Disco felt like the first season where they felt like they were enjoying themselves. Seasons 2 and 5 are its stand out seasons. Lower Decks really needs more seasons/movies/spin-offs... Damn near my favorite Trek. And I've been into it before TNG was a thing... I'm so old. :( And Prodigy was the series I never know I needed. A third season would be amazing, and an interesting tonal shift.
As a black woman I am glad that Discovery is not a safe country for us. Most Africans here don't like American and China and the East are what we pay attention to. Gen Z watch KPop and KDramas if we want to indulge in foreign markets and have erased American entertainment from their watchlist. America is backward ass country and we don't want to low culture to effect us. Thank you, this was a blessing. We can cut ties with the West permanently.
It's still canon. Having Klingons from another universe that look like the Klingons from Discovery doesn't "decanonize" Discovery as we had in the same episode multiversal things that exist in the Prime Universe. We had proto Klingons that were first introduced in TNG does that mean having proto Klingons from another universe appear in Lower Decks mean that TNG is no longer canon? People wishing that Discovery would no longer be considered canon doesn't mean that it is no longer canon. With the Abrams films the Kelvin Universe is canon it's just another universe created from the Prime universe.
@@TheNashvilleHumanist I am happy America is openly racist again. This will ensure that the white race falls faster. No more giving back women false sense of security
i reckon voyager had the right layout for episodes, you wanted to know what happened in the end and each episode did not need to tie into other series as they were so far out
I wonder if 9 is the result of Disco being 10 eps this year, I can imagine the writers originally planning for another 13 then being told they're only doing 10
Something I will say about the Cokic Con spoiler. They started filming season 3 before the strike happened. They just never finished until months later. In a way they were like: “get those scenes edited so we can save time and show thee audience something who have waited almost 2 years.
Dont forget that in a year or 2, Lower Decks could come back on Paramount plus as "Text to movie" It is really called "text to Hollywood" where all you have to do is tell the ai what you like the characters to do, then the ai makes an entire episode.
@@stlfatman I watched every episode. 99.5% of it was shite. There were a couple of glimmers of something good in seasons 4 and 5, but the damage was already done.
@@Welcome2TheInternet As a black woman I am glad that Discovery is not a safe country for us. Most Africans here don't like American and China and the East are what we pay attention to. Gen Z watch KPop and KDramas if we want to indulge in foreign markets and have erased American entertainment from their watchlist. America is backward ass country and we don't want to low culture to effect us. Thank you, this was a blessing. We can cut ties with the West permanently.
Good for Jeri Ryan....she saw what the fans want and was just as offended at the thought of them brushing us aside to produce something nobody asked for. If Legacy IS made, that choice will have been it's foundation.
As a fan of both I hope Dr Who and Star Trek never have a crossover and I have no idea why fans would even want to see it. They are very different shows in very different universes. It's like wanting to see a crossover between SpongeBob SquarePants and NCIS.
Discovery has been in danger of cancellation since its first season… it was a miracle it lasted as long as it did, especially when you consider how poorly it’s been received.
I must admit that after enjoying season 1 of Prodigy I did not get very far with season 2. I felt the antagonists (whose race I cannot quite recall-the Vau N'Akat, maybe?), quite healthily resolved in season 1, were basically kinda boring being re-used in season 2. It needed something new, not a re-tread. Maybe it gets better later in the season, but it lost me after the third show.
It wasnt chosen “over”: 1- it was never a choice… legacy is a hope not a thing 2- academy was announced and in production for months before the concept or even thought of legacy was ever even considered 3- academy was campaigned for, for decades… tens of thousands of fans begged since the 90s for academy… we may well get a legacy.. just not today
@@samwalker8893 3. Yes, but set in the TNG era, or post TNG a bit and in that style. No one asked for it set 1000 years in the future as a spin off of the worst Trek series, staring its most insufferable character.
@ well…. There is that, BUT it does show the point of they do listen to what was asked for, no specifically stated tng academy with boothby and picard. No. People campaigned for a series set at the academy, few think they are “insufferable” characters . Discovery is statistically the most watched franchise of the brand to date..
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Honestly, as much as I would love to see Prodigy continue, I don't think Paramount is going to do it. Prodigy is unusual as it has 20 episodes per season, versus the typical 10 episodes for all other current Star Trek series (with Discovery being a slight exception with 10-15 episodes per season). Prodigy, in today's standards, has already been through four seasons, so I seriously doubt that Paramount will throw more money into it. //**rant start**// I did an episode count of all the current Star Trek series and realized that we are at 205 total episodes in 7 years over 5 series (Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks, Prodigy, Srange New Worlds) and 17 seasons. If we go back and look at the classic series without including the original series or the animated series (starting with Next Generation), at the seven year point we would be completing all of Next Generation and into the second season of Deep Space Nine for a total of 227 episodes...7 years, 2 series, 9 seasons. It's funny that Kurtsman can say it's lucky we can get to five seasons on any Star Trek series. In Lower Decks, that's 50 episodes. In Discovery, that's 65 episodes. On any of the older series, that would be the start of the 3rd season. Even the original series, by the time season 2 was finished, it was already at 55 episodes, only 10 shy from the total count of Discovery, and that took five seasons to accomplish...and, remember, it took a letter-writing campaign to get NBC to order a season 3 of the original series, so the original series could have very well ended at Season 2. What Paramount (and other production companies) have done is traded off story development for a much shorter season. If you can't tell a story arc in 10 episodes (including four of those episodes dedicated to individual back stories), then the series isn't worth producing. It's no longer the "see where the journey takes you" attitude, but more of the "are we there yet" attitude that plagues series production today. //**rant end**// Sorry for the rant, but I needed to say this.
I honestly hope beyond hope that Legacy and a Doctor Who crossover never never never happen. I feel like modern ST is so infected with nostalgia that it's crowding out great innovation in favor of memberberries. But totally agreed on the "Vulcan racism is genetic" clip... if Very Short Treks didn't exist it would be on par with "Code of Honor" as one of the worst Star Trek moments of all time.
I don't know what alot of the things that this piece is talking about, but I do know that Star Trek needs something NEW & not copies of all of the old. Oh yeah...bring back color.
Maybe it's just me but, I feel like we are seeing the end of Star Trek again and it's so sad. No more Discovery, Lower Decks, and Prodigy leaves just SNWs and soon, Academy. LD and Prodigy ended way too soon and it seems like Legacy won't happen. Since 5 seasons appears to be the new norm, SNWs might end in a couple years as I believe they will start filming season 4 very soon. This will leave just Academy. Yeah movies are nice but it's not the same as TV shows. I really hope more Treks are in the works!
We shouldn’t have let it become the new Norm. We should never have accepted only ten episodes a season. We should have risen up in protest over those! The idiots that make those decisions must be punished for robbing us of great trek!
They need a hard reset imo! And NO i dont mean completly reboot all of Trek, but i do mean go away from any known time periods and characters! They need to continue the tng timeline after Picard 3 with a new crew, new ship and just pull a "Next Generation" by rebuilding without really pandering to much to what came before, except for maybe a cameo here and there.
What upsets me is how quickly they knew to suppress their emotions, given how long it take Vulcans to learn to do. I hope to Surak thst Spock mind melded that training into their brains first.
Great video. Please get a better microphone system where you don't sound like you're in a box. You share really good information so I want to make sure I understand you when I have background noise while viewing your videos. Keep up the great work!
cheese whiz Sean, I was already depressed.. really didn't need this one. but as long as I'm here wishing you, Ellie and the rest of the team a rocking new years.
You forgot the single worst thing that has ever happened in ST, an episode that even dwarfed the horrible Hippie TOS ("This Way to Eden"). I am talking the other musical episode, "Subspace Rhapsody."
Honestly they should name a series on the 32nd century Starfleet and any other timelines that weren't like that open for example in the Excelsior class/ Ambassador class era we don't know much. 25-32nd Starfleet era
I fear Star Trek Legacy is waiting for the Paramount merger to finalize, as it’s probably going to cost a pretty penny, and Skydance would need to be open to financing it.
Whybare they already suppressing their emotions like 5 seconds after the transformation? It takes Vulcans years of meditation and study to do that. If anything they should be more like Romulans.
I'm just watching it. I don't know what else to do (I have no planes). After all, it is a numbers game, but who ever knows, if Netflix (or whoever would pick it up) is even able to play a numbers game successfully. It would be called ROI, but then again, I'm not a bean counter.
I'm 57 so I grew up with TOS and Next Generation. I understand your passion and love for Star Trek. I just HATE new Trek and I wished that wasn't the case.
I'm 58 and Star Trek ended for me with "Enterprise". New Trek is like "New Coke", but unlike Coca-Cola, Paramount wasn't wise enough to switch back to the "Original" formula.
Appropos of nothing, I have just rewatched Star Trek: Insurrection and feel that the Vice Admiral Dougherty face stretching scene is being badly underutilized on this channel.
I am also tired of the Vulcans being shown to be prejudiced and rather narrow minded people. The core of Vulcan Philosophy is IDIC, Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. Vulcan might be logical and suppress their emotions, and may at times find other races to be confusing and/or frustrating, but they should take interest and joy in studying and witnessing diverse viewpoints. I think too many writers are taking a few select Vulcan cases, that have specific reasons in canon, and extrapolating it out to the species as a whole. Sarek and Spock have a strained relationship not because Spock is half human, but because he joined Starfleet and this went against the planned course that Ambassador 'Vulcan as a mfer' Sarek has in mind for his son (and because it meant that he had needless let down his adopted daughter). Yes, Spock was also 'picked on' and 'looked down on' by others when growing up but in some ways it is children being children. T'Pring did not seek Kali'fi rather than marry Spock because he was half human, or because she had any prejudices, but because Starfleet kept him away for too long, and with his star on the rise, so to speak, she did not want to be married to something of a celebrity. The Vulcans in the Enterprise Era were more prejudiced, but that was, as much as anything, due to slowly drifting away from Surak's teachings, and also outside influence by Romulans, and while they find them frustrating and over-emotional, many of Vulcans like T'Pol and Soval actually have a great deal of admiration for humans and humanity, although they hide it well. Modern Trek has taken these, perfectly sensible (if not necessarily defensible) stances and gone "most Vulcans are prejudiced, look down on everyone, find Spock to be not Vulcan enough, and are generally rude and a bit xenophobic" which takes away so much of their nuance and one of the best pieces of Vulcan Philosophy, the IDIC.
@@blackbird7781 And why is that? I talked about Enterprise in my post, and mentioned that the Vulcans are more close minded and prejudiced in Enterprise, but they are clearly shown, in the fourth season, to have been slowly drifting away from Surak's teachings, in part due to Romulan influence.
I've never understood why people want a Doctor Who Star Trek merger. It's a stupid idea. Crossover comics? Sure but an actual on tv crossover merger is stupid.
Or, in other words, Para-whatever intentionally shot itself in the foot... not once, not twice, but FOR A THIRD TIME! (Prodigy, Legacy, and Lower Decks).
@@BogieRel Prodigy, while I wish it would be renewed for a third season, already has 40 episodes, which is technically 4 seasons if you stacked it with any other current Star Trek series. As Paramount is now keen to end all Star Trek series at 5 seasons and/or 50 episodes, it is highly unlikely Prodigy will be renewed. Can't comment on Legacy, as I'm not following it very closely. Lower Decks had enough momentum to go two more seasons. But, even if the idea that the Boimler, Mariner, Tindy, Rutherford and T'Lyn are no longer lower decks, what would have been better than simply end it would be to transition it into a new series. It had enough momentum to go another two seasons.
There has certainly been a lot of bad decision making with all things Star Trek, whether it's canning a series, the writing, the plot holes, the continuity errors, etc., perhaps it's time for hollywood to hand over the reigns to the people who care the most about it, the fans, granted there's been plenty of dubious fan-made content over the years, but at least the fans care about keeping it going and keeping it on-track...
As a black woman I am glad that Discovery is not a safe country for us. Most Africans here don't like American and China and the East are what we pay attention to. Gen Z watch KPop and KDramas if we want to indulge in foreign markets and have erased American entertainment from their watchlist. America is backward ass country and we don't want to low culture to effect us. Thank you, this was a blessing. We can cut ties with the West permanently.
You and me both. I wanted to like it... but it was vacuous and empty. It really didn't name a plan and tried to take advantage of fans like us thinking we would watch it regardless. They were wrong.
As the voice over kicked in, I immediately wondered if Sean had been trying to escape a busy holiday household to record this, finding the bathroom was the only place to to escape the noise.
Two mentions of Star Wars instead of Star Trek in the Paramount/Skydance merger. Seems like Skydance didn't realize which franchise they were going to acquire....
Folks, imagining something very hard and being disappointed your fantasy isn't becoming reality is not the same thing as a studio letting down the fans. Legacy was never on the table, neither was a Doctor Who crossover. Sure, you'd like them to happen, but that isn't like Disney announcing a million Star Wars shows/movies and then not producing them. Paramount never announced or even hinted that these things were possible.
Honestly i dont care what anyone says, Discovery was great and in many moments just felt like pure fun Star Trek. Yes it wasnt perfect and had some issues but that doesnt automatically make it the devil incarnate, there were so many moments that gave me the same goosebumps i had and felt when watching TNG DS9 Voy or the Movies, the hate often just feels so forced.
I'm honestly glad there was/is an audience for Discovery irrespective of my own feelings about it. I tried very hard to like it, but it was very difficult me to get over the constant savior/pariah flip flopping of Michael Burham, and that I found so few of the characters likable.
It was a constantly emotive, virtue-signalling mush that simply wasn't Trek. Whatever it was might have been ok if you didn't care about what they were doing to mess things up in the Star Trek universe. I remember watching Star Trek when I was eight years old, the very first run of the original series in the UK in 1969. From then I watched every episode of everything, every movie (however dubious the Kelvin timeline ones were), however irritating the Enterprise theme music - till Discovery. I hung in there till season two then bailed. It was unadulterated rubbish, no redeeming features whatsoever, careless in every respect with what Star Trek actually is. The showrunners should be put in the stocks at every convention for the next 10 years, and pelted with rotten tomatoes (or worse).
Well that means 2024 had a low bar! 😂 I thought a better point 2024 was Lower Decks implying that Discovery was in another universe and not prime universe. 😂
Seeing another bubble Netflix show comments on Twitter that the streamer takes stock of viewing figures at the end of the year so please rewatch & binge their show before 2025. The same could be said of prodigy. Rewatch!!
The only season I really didn't like about Discover was S4 (1 gets a pass, re every star trek series ever). When the stakes are always universal/everything everywhere for all time, then nothing actually matters after that point and the tension or choices really don't matter or have any emotional import. The dark matter thing was a really bad writing choice, imo.
Worst moment for me is Lower Decks season four and Prodigy two only going to blu ray not dvd. One of my sisters loves Star Trek. But doesn't do the internet. Or blu ray. I don't do blu ray either. Reasons. I have brought one or two trek dvds of late even though I'm not as much of a collector as I was just so she can get to see them. I'm sure it's all down to sales which is fine as that's a fact of life. But it's still a bit disappointing.
According to reports SKYDANCE is interested in re-setting Star Trek-thus Academy will not continue and 31 will stay a one-shot-if not vaulted for tax purposes. More than likely SNW will lead into the return of Kirk/Enterprise stories as they were not happy with the actions of one star of the series. Of course, the constant Star Trek(JJ) 4th movie still arise-but don't count on it.
No more Prodigy, and no sign of Legacy. :/
I question the logic.
Cancelling discovery and lower decks and section 31 are all terrible ideas
@@blackbird7781 Greenlighting them to begin with were worse ones
@@Knightfall182 This daft person. Always some emo kid that hates fun
@Knightfall182 how did you get into star trek when every single thing it stands for is against what you stand for?
@@OhNoTheFace emo kid that hates fun????
I hope Prodigy gets renewed for a third season.
Prodigy was a garbage kid show
Me Too!!!... I Liked this Show!!!
@@matthewmckinney5387 Many people thought the same about ST:TOS in the 60's.
It got cancelled after three seasons.
@magnificentfailure2390 lmao
@@magnificentfailure2390 Almost got cancelled after two. Letter writing campaign saved Season 3, but couldn't pull out a Season 4.
I could not imagine much that would be worse than any sort of crossover between Dr Who and Star Trek.
It's happened in the comics already so it has potential if done right
The clip with the Pike, La'an, Uhura, and Chapel getting vulcanized also makes no sense because those attitudes and the Vulcan Emotional Suppression are all learned behaviors and skills. Vulcans without years of logical and emotional suppression actually have much stronger emotions than humans, which almost destroyed their society before Surak introduced logic and those emotional suppression techniques. La'an and Chapel tend to suppress their emotions as humans, so they *might* be okay but Pike and Uhura are both rather 'wear emotions on their sleeves' and if they were suddenly fully Vulcan they would have their emotions bouncing all over the walls. Sure, they might be biologically Vulcan, but everything else (including the magically changed hairstyles) make zero sense with all of established canon (as well as espousing some troubling ideas of biological essentialism) and seems a little too 'played for laughs'
EXACTLY! The writers don't know anything about Valcan stuff. That was what I found the most stupid thing about that series
While true, we're missing an entire episode of context. It's entirely possible those issues you bring up will be brought up in the show. After all, we already know the transformation has at least one issue, why can't it have more?
@@Stomaia87 I hope so and the show has been outstanding so far in balancing real issues with comedy, so they have a lot of grace with me, so I am willing to suspend judgement. It is, however, a concern.
@@Stomaia87 Considering things like Rutherford's implant having emotional suppression, it's possible there's some similiar explaination. Be it some chemical or technological addition to the serum or something.
Or they just won't think about it and it'll stay unexplained.
@@theotakux5959If you could download Vulcan mind disciplines, why wouldn't everyone who wanted them do it?
Perhaps we should alert the proper authorities to the fact that Sean is apparently trapped in a large glass jug.
😂😂😂
Sounds like he's calling it in while on the shitter.
does anyone like to bet that the section 31 movie and the starfleet academy series will probably end up on this list in 2025?
Indeed it's a big worry.
I cant believe im not even the slightest interested into any of those and i love Trek and rewatch the old shows and movies all the time, but i have no desire to even watch the trailers for those shows anymore! :(
Hollywood's falling apart in slow motion and they're scared where to go next with anything.
It’s like they’re experimenting with how much sugar to add to the badder of the worst corn dogs ever, where the meat is the worst empty calorie mash of shameless money making and agenda pushing. The outside is a super thin layer of IP or a factory mistake size chunk of it but either way, full of sugar to hide the taste of the inside. Sugar machine set on diabetes.
You talking about yourselves, you know. Recently Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy used the stupidity of the Alt Right to push H1B1 visas to promote hiring FOREIGN ENGINEERS instead of MAGA. He called white USA Right Wingers stupid and lazy and will replace you.
Im not a Discovery basher, but you got to admit looking back at that last season, the writing was pretty lackluster and full of holes. But to be honest, as a whole that kind of sums up ST: Discovery
I don't want to be a Discovery basher, but the show makes it so damned easy.
Had optimistic hope at start it was ground in to the dirt over & over by bad writing & incompetent 😢 @jaygee6738
other people I dont like exist? this comment doesnt make a lot of sense and I never said anything about not liking people. and I think your confused about what metaphor to use as well. Please enjoy your 5 seasons of Discovery and have a nice day jaygee6738.
@@DangerousDac In STDs case we are talking doddle
@jaygee6738 standard tactics of attributing disagreement over a bad show to "hating people's existence " no longer work. Pathetic attempt to discredit and silence dissent is all that is. Grow up and get a real argument.
Hrrrm, time to rewatch Prodigy! Who's with me?
I, for one, will not give up this particular show so easy. Honestly, from all Star Trek Shows, this one hit my hart critical and dearly.
The worst thing is the end of lower decks ... hopefully it gets a live action
Why so you can see Twanny Newsome and Jack Quaid publicly embarrass themselves in Iive action than animation
I think a Who / Trek crossover would be dumb. I would take a hard pass on it. It's
Yep. They're in very different universes
@@wallacewallaby5782well yeah but both shows have the concept of multiverse / parrelel dimensions in them.
It kinda happened once before when IDW Publishing briefly hosted both IPs for their comics, showed the 11th Doctor teaming with Picard’s TNG crew to face off against Cybermen upgraded with Borg tech that threatened to fully take over the collective (and thus make the Borg more aggressive in their goals of assimilating both universes).
@@manofmercy1500 Comics and video games are often a free-for-alls. I wouldn't take either as canon, just what is seen on screen.
I get a lot of fans are fans of both, but the two universes are just too different. I also don't want to see Star Trek/Star Wars, or Star Trek/Lord of the Rings, etc. Nods and easter eggs are the most that should happen.
I am grateful that we have enough Star Trek going on that we can have these lists imo
As much as I was relieved Picard S3 found redemption in itself, I was never completely onboard with Legacy. It was just too unbelievably simple of a setup; Seven jumps to Captaincy, Raffi gets first officer (??), Jack's sticking around without Academy training (???), and the hamfisted renaming of the Titan...
Yeah, nothing about it felt like must watch Star Trek. We've already seen Q messing around with crew members and should take a lesson from DS9 and not rehash that again. At no point did I feel any of the new cast was carrying the show or had the ability to; they would 100% be dependent on Seven stepping up and making it her show.
We might be hearing S3 fans saying they want it, but those probably are not the numbers Paramount is looking for.
Yeah we only let people jump to captaincy undeserved if it is Disco :O
If only they made S3 S1 to begin with, then the numbers would have been there!!
Such a missed opportunity:(
@@thanatossassin I don’t understand how anyone could’ve made it to season 3.
Legacy's not a promising setup for a Star Trek show, but given what they've got coming down the pipe I'd say it's more appealing than what we're going to be getting.
Did you know Paul Stamets is named after contemporary fungi expert Paul Stamets.
Hes named after the most expert of experts in fungi. Hes like the yoda of mushrooms
And destroyed his legacy in the process
Cancelling Discovery is the best thing that happend to Star Trek. No idea how this attrocity lasted five seasons.
As a black woman I am glad that Discovery is not a safe country for us. Most Africans here don't like American and China and the East are what we pay attention to. Gen Z watch KPop and KDramas if we want to indulge in foreign markets and have erased American entertainment from their watchlist. America is backward ass country and we don't want to low culture to effect us. Thank you, this was a blessing. We can cut ties with the West permanently.
I bailed after the 2nd episode. It wasn't Star Trek.
@@2OldGeeksTalking Star Trek isn't for Fascists like you
@@2OldGeeksTalking America truly showing how insecure white boys are the bane of everyone's existence. 4B can't come soon enough
Oh Seán, You missed an excellent opportunity to say "allon-zzz" 😂😅
I'll pray that there'll be a Prodigy season 3.
This is admittedly a weird transition period for the Trek franchise, what with the various streaming series (apart from our beloved SNW) all going bust and no clear road map laid out for the future as copyrights change hands and what not.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
Trek died years ago.
Merry Christmas I hope Trek culture let you out of the small box you recorded this in before new year. All the best
I remain in positivity about things, despite how badly things have gone this year. We’ve definitely had some fantastic seasons of Trek this year, despite the cancellations. I know Paramount is going through a time of transition, with the merger/takeover with Skydance. Similarly, Paramount+ are very likely to be getting a major reworking next year. So, it’s possible that the dust will settle and we’ll end up getting more Trek than we expected, including (fingers crossed🤞) more Lower Decks and Prodigy in some form.
What fucking planet are you on? There hasn't been a decent season of anything trek since Enterprise finished
One word sums up every star trek series since enterprise ended and that word is 'crap'
Its a toss up between star trek and star wars for the most destruction to a franchise in the whole history of tv
Imagine thinking SNW and LD are crap.
@IfWeShadows yes they are. Snw is like a fake show pretending to be star trek and lower decks 💩
No no, fans wanted a continuation on the TITAN-A and a proper Enterprise-G
Or something else...
I feel like they have a 5 season limit. But with so few episodes it feels even shorter than it should be. Not sure what there problem is Prodigy is though.
I am one of the handful of Trekkies not pining for a continuation of PIC in a Star Trek: Legacy, at least not in the form it was left in at the end of the previous series - the choice to rename the ship, the fast-tracking of Jack into Starfleet and onto the bridge, putting on-again, off-again girlfriend Raffi as Seven's first officer, and the reappearance of Q. Then there's the Shaw of it all. Everyone else wants to bring him back in one way or another, but it all feels contrived to me.
I'm also not feeling everyone's fan service suggestions of bringing in the children of a bunch of other characters, Jake, Alexander, Naomi, Kestra, etc. The one character that would make the most sense to bring back is the one that's impossible: Nog (RIP Aron Eisenberg). Now that's an interesting first officer for Seven of Nine. He would be a little old to still be a commander, but I'm sure you could find some reason for him to be stuck there. Maybe Starfleet Command wasn't ready for a Ferengi commanding officer, or there was some sort of flare-up of his PTSD that caused him to take a sabbatical.
As someone who is mixed-race, watching Spock being bullied is tough it hits too close to home, echoing similar things that have been said to me in real life. While it’s fine to explore the challenges of navigating two different cultures, this feels like a lazy attempt at comedy.
I respect where you're coming from.
And I agree it's an awkward and forced comedic error.
Both sci-fi and horror are known to employ comedy, but of the two, sci-fi doesn't typically 'kick down' for cheap thrills (or humor).
And whatever hits me as cringey, also fails to make me laugh.
I've never quite grasped how Vulcans, a logical species, can openly be so prejudiced.
@scockery I suspect Vulcans can be prejudiced while also being logical due to the fact that any insulting comments they make are always drawn from "fact" and they're simply stating said "facts" with the intent to educate abd encourage personal betterment for a greater good. They want others to be better - Vulcan better - because it makes it easier on them to manage their tightly controlled maelstrom of emotions.
Humans are especially problematic because we're them (Vulcans) before the Age of Surak and they don't like being reminded of how they almost destroyed themselves.
It's hilarious
I always found to use it to my advantage. Builds thick skin. Trust me, i know.
Id say Discovery ending is one of the best things
You speak the truth sir.
@@2OldGeeksTalking Why do I know that you have a micropenis?
What the hell is the point of saying "spoiler alert" and not saying what you're going to spoil??
An honorary mention: ending the merchandise deal with BlueBrixx - they produced nearly 80 sets, from different sizes of space ships to life sized gadgets like tricorders. So many great sets. it’s a shame, would have loved to see their refit/A Enterprise. Let’s see, maybe the rumor is true and we get one Star Trek Lego set… and than nothing more
A la Dune. And since it's Lego, it'll be vastly overpriced and have a bunch of stickers instead of prints.
15:26 whenever I hear Seán say ‘Written by Jack Kiely’, is it just me that expects him to continue by saying ‘Spared no expense’ 😆 If you know, you know 😆
I wasn’t aware of 3/4 if these “disappointments,” as I don’t pay attention to studio and industry politics, season preview teasers, projects that -might- happen. I thought this list would focus on disappointments within the actual shows. Not that I can think of many…
Discovery had a premature end...? More like an overdue end.
Not nonsense. The plot with the new number one in Discovery was unlike any other show in the series. Discovery wasn't always great but it has a lot of great moments throughout it that added to the series.
@@neonswift yes like turning a positive vision of a future human utopia in to a pessimistic dystopian vision full of crying victims. Great point.
@Fallenburn1618 this was my issue. Rather than them trying to scientifically try to escape an emergency, they'd use it to have a therapy session with a character I had no reason to care about. Like, you're about to die, why are you talking about your mommy issues??
Dropped off a cliff after series 3
@@MikeWilsonBarrett I actually liked it more then... But the fundamental problems persisted. Everything was done to and by Michael Burnham, and everyone else was cardboard cutouts. It was poor writing everywhere.
Losing MATALAS to Disney/Feige was Nu Trek's biggest Fail of 2024. 😄😄 He was easily the best received showrunner of this modern Trek era.
Yeah right. That guy worked for Brannon braga and he ended up causing the franchise to go on hiatus until 2009
@@Atlas_System01 Personally, I don't want a guy who hangs out with white supremacists anywhere near Star Trek, so I hope Bob Iger keeps Matalas busy making Disney slop for years to come.
I felt the weakest part of discovery was the lack of consistency with a captain, it felt like they were changing the captain every season break. " Ok gang gather around time to play musical captains chair" (pop goes the weasel plays over the com). 😂
Season five of Disco felt like the first season where they felt like they were enjoying themselves. Seasons 2 and 5 are its stand out seasons.
Lower Decks really needs more seasons/movies/spin-offs... Damn near my favorite Trek. And I've been into it before TNG was a thing... I'm so old. :(
And Prodigy was the series I never know I needed. A third season would be amazing, and an interesting tonal shift.
As a black woman I am glad that Discovery is not a safe country for us. Most Africans here don't like American and China and the East are what we pay attention to. Gen Z watch KPop and KDramas if we want to indulge in foreign markets and have erased American entertainment from their watchlist. America is backward ass country and we don't want to low culture to effect us. Thank you, this was a blessing. We can cut ties with the West permanently.
Sitting in a captains chair? Did that YEARS ago at NASA!
Discovery being deCannonized was the best Christmas gift I got this year
It's still canon. Having Klingons from another universe that look like the Klingons from Discovery doesn't "decanonize" Discovery as we had in the same episode multiversal things that exist in the Prime Universe. We had proto Klingons that were first introduced in TNG does that mean having proto Klingons from another universe appear in Lower Decks mean that TNG is no longer canon?
People wishing that Discovery would no longer be considered canon doesn't mean that it is no longer canon.
With the Abrams films the Kelvin Universe is canon it's just another universe created from the Prime universe.
It was a great gift!🎁
@@TheNashvilleHumanist I am happy America is openly racist again. This will ensure that the white race falls faster. No more giving back women false sense of security
It's worth noting that Dr Who and Star Trek have crossed over before via comics. The Doctor met both Kirk and Picard.
Not canon though.
And Rose mentioned wanting 9 to be "more spock" in the empty child episode
the Dr. who reference is probably about the crossover comic like Star Trek: The Next Generation/Doctor Who: Assimilation a fun read if you haven't!
Dr.Who/ Star trek crossover would be amazing if done right. I actually want to see it.
As long there is no Legacy, No Star Trek for me.
i reckon voyager had the right layout for episodes, you wanted to know what happened in the end and each episode did not need to tie into other series as they were so far out
I wonder if 9 is the result of Disco being 10 eps this year, I can imagine the writers originally planning for another 13 then being told they're only doing 10
Something I will say about the Cokic Con spoiler. They started filming season 3 before the strike happened. They just never finished until months later. In a way they were like: “get those scenes edited so we can save time and show thee audience something who have waited almost 2 years.
Prodigy was always supposed to be a 3 season arc. I just want to see how it ends...
Dont forget that in a year or 2, Lower Decks could come back on Paramount plus as "Text to movie"
It is really called "text to Hollywood" where all you have to do is tell the ai what you like the characters to do, then the ai makes an entire episode.
Star Trek Discovery should have not even made it a single season, let alone 5.
Did you even watch the show?
@@stlfatman I watched every episode. 99.5% of it was shite. There were a couple of glimmers of something good in seasons 4 and 5, but the damage was already done.
@@stlfatman Yes I did. Every single episode. Refine your tastes~
@@Welcome2TheInternet As a black woman I am glad that Discovery is not a safe country for us. Most Africans here don't like American and China and the East are what we pay attention to. Gen Z watch KPop and KDramas if we want to indulge in foreign markets and have erased American entertainment from their watchlist. America is backward ass country and we don't want to low culture to effect us. Thank you, this was a blessing. We can cut ties with the West permanently.
Good for Jeri Ryan....she saw what the fans want and was just as offended at the thought of them brushing us aside to produce something nobody asked for. If Legacy IS made, that choice will have been it's foundation.
As a fan of both I hope Dr Who and Star Trek never have a crossover and I have no idea why fans would even want to see it. They are very different shows in very different universes. It's like wanting to see a crossover between SpongeBob SquarePants and NCIS.
Gonna have to throw in an akshually here:
Trek and Doctor Who have crossed franchises multiple times... in the comics.
Gave up on Discovery after Series 3. Series dropped off a cliff. Went pants
Discovery has been in danger of cancellation since its first season… it was a miracle it lasted as long as it did, especially when you consider how poorly it’s been received.
I must admit that after enjoying season 1 of Prodigy I did not get very far with season 2. I felt the antagonists (whose race I cannot quite recall-the Vau N'Akat, maybe?), quite healthily resolved in season 1, were basically kinda boring being re-used in season 2. It needed something new, not a re-tread. Maybe it gets better later in the season, but it lost me after the third show.
Fining the worst is difficult…it is quite consistent.
Choosing Academy over legacy will become a well-viewed mistake in the future.
How so what was Legacy again?
It wasnt chosen “over”:
1- it was never a choice… legacy is a hope not a thing
2- academy was announced and in production for months before the concept or even thought of legacy was ever even considered
3- academy was campaigned for, for decades… tens of thousands of fans begged since the 90s for academy… we may well get a legacy.. just not today
Yup. Mainly because Matalas is a far better Trek showrunner than Kurtzman and the CW woman helming Academy.
@@samwalker8893 3. Yes, but set in the TNG era, or post TNG a bit and in that style. No one asked for it set 1000 years in the future as a spin off of the worst Trek series, staring its most insufferable character.
@ well…. There is that,
BUT it does show the point of they do listen to what was asked for, no specifically stated tng academy with boothby and picard. No. People campaigned for a series set at the academy, few think they are “insufferable” characters . Discovery is statistically the most watched franchise of the brand to date..
Going from Wikipedia, among other things, 8th of September is also
- Accession Day (United Kingdom and the Commonwealth realms) (during the reign of Charles III)[85]
- Independence Day (North Macedonia)
- International Literacy Day (International)
Watch Prodigy before the end of the year if you can! Get the ratings up! The creators are putting that out on social media 🥺
Honestly, as much as I would love to see Prodigy continue, I don't think Paramount is going to do it. Prodigy is unusual as it has 20 episodes per season, versus the typical 10 episodes for all other current Star Trek series (with Discovery being a slight exception with 10-15 episodes per season). Prodigy, in today's standards, has already been through four seasons, so I seriously doubt that Paramount will throw more money into it.
//**rant start**//
I did an episode count of all the current Star Trek series and realized that we are at 205 total episodes in 7 years over 5 series (Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks, Prodigy, Srange New Worlds) and 17 seasons. If we go back and look at the classic series without including the original series or the animated series (starting with Next Generation), at the seven year point we would be completing all of Next Generation and into the second season of Deep Space Nine for a total of 227 episodes...7 years, 2 series, 9 seasons.
It's funny that Kurtsman can say it's lucky we can get to five seasons on any Star Trek series. In Lower Decks, that's 50 episodes. In Discovery, that's 65 episodes. On any of the older series, that would be the start of the 3rd season. Even the original series, by the time season 2 was finished, it was already at 55 episodes, only 10 shy from the total count of Discovery, and that took five seasons to accomplish...and, remember, it took a letter-writing campaign to get NBC to order a season 3 of the original series, so the original series could have very well ended at Season 2.
What Paramount (and other production companies) have done is traded off story development for a much shorter season. If you can't tell a story arc in 10 episodes (including four of those episodes dedicated to individual back stories), then the series isn't worth producing. It's no longer the "see where the journey takes you" attitude, but more of the "are we there yet" attitude that plagues series production today.
//**rant end**//
Sorry for the rant, but I needed to say this.
I honestly hope beyond hope that Legacy and a Doctor Who crossover never never never happen. I feel like modern ST is so infected with nostalgia that it's crowding out great innovation in favor of memberberries. But totally agreed on the "Vulcan racism is genetic" clip... if Very Short Treks didn't exist it would be on par with "Code of Honor" as one of the worst Star Trek moments of all time.
I don't know what alot of the things that this piece is talking about, but I do know that Star Trek needs something NEW & not copies of all of the old. Oh yeah...bring back color.
I agree to all comments here
Dr Who and Star Trek are in radically different universes so it makes no sense to have a crossover.
Maybe it's just me but, I feel like we are seeing the end of Star Trek again and it's so sad. No more Discovery, Lower Decks, and Prodigy leaves just SNWs and soon, Academy. LD and Prodigy ended way too soon and it seems like Legacy won't happen. Since 5 seasons appears to be the new norm, SNWs might end in a couple years as I believe they will start filming season 4 very soon. This will leave just Academy. Yeah movies are nice but it's not the same as TV shows. I really hope more Treks are in the works!
We shouldn’t have let it become the new Norm. We should never have accepted only ten episodes a season. We should have risen up in protest over those! The idiots that make those decisions must be punished for robbing us of great trek!
They need a hard reset imo!
And NO i dont mean completly reboot all of Trek, but i do mean go away from any known time periods and characters!
They need to continue the tng timeline after Picard 3 with a new crew, new ship and just pull a "Next Generation" by rebuilding without really pandering to much to what came before, except for maybe a cameo here and there.
Every time I see that 4 and 1/2 Vulcan's scene it really upsets me. Spock looks so sad.
What upsets me is how quickly they knew to suppress their emotions, given how long it take Vulcans to learn to do. I hope to Surak thst Spock mind melded that training into their brains first.
3) That has always been apart of Spock’s story and though it can be painful to watch, it is why many of us connect with his story.
Great video. Please get a better microphone system where you don't sound like you're in a box. You share really good information so I want to make sure I understand you when I have background noise while viewing your videos. Keep up the great work!
cheese whiz Sean, I was already depressed.. really didn't need this one. but as long as I'm here wishing you, Ellie and the rest of the team a rocking new years.
I'm less excited for an hour long drama comedy like Academy when it's pretty much confirmed it won't get more than five seasons if we're lucky
Thank for this.
The Doctor was in the Star Trek comic books.
Lower decks being cancelled is ridiculous
I’m pretty sure there have been like five different comic book crossovers with ST and DW
You forgot the single worst thing that has ever happened in ST, an episode that even dwarfed the horrible Hippie TOS ("This Way to Eden"). I am talking the other musical episode, "Subspace Rhapsody."
Honestly they should name a series on the 32nd century Starfleet and any other timelines that weren't like that open for example in the Excelsior class/ Ambassador class era we don't know much. 25-32nd Starfleet era
I fear Star Trek Legacy is waiting for the Paramount merger to finalize, as it’s probably going to cost a pretty penny, and Skydance would need to be open to financing it.
@@joermnyc Agreed
Worst by far was the musical episode I will never watch that again ever
Whybare they already suppressing their emotions like 5 seconds after the transformation? It takes Vulcans years of meditation and study to do that. If anything they should be more like Romulans.
I'm just watching it. I don't know what else to do (I have no planes). After all, it is a numbers game, but who ever knows, if Netflix (or whoever would pick it up) is even able to play a numbers game successfully. It would be called ROI, but then again, I'm not a bean counter.
I'm 57 so I grew up with TOS and Next Generation. I understand your passion and love for Star Trek. I just HATE new Trek and I wished that wasn't the case.
How can you hate Strange New Worlds?
I'm 58 and Star Trek ended for me with "Enterprise". New Trek is like "New Coke", but unlike Coca-Cola, Paramount wasn't wise enough to switch back to the "Original" formula.
Appropos of nothing, I have just rewatched Star Trek: Insurrection and feel that the Vice Admiral Dougherty face stretching scene is being badly underutilized on this channel.
I am also tired of the Vulcans being shown to be prejudiced and rather narrow minded people. The core of Vulcan Philosophy is IDIC, Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. Vulcan might be logical and suppress their emotions, and may at times find other races to be confusing and/or frustrating, but they should take interest and joy in studying and witnessing diverse viewpoints. I think too many writers are taking a few select Vulcan cases, that have specific reasons in canon, and extrapolating it out to the species as a whole. Sarek and Spock have a strained relationship not because Spock is half human, but because he joined Starfleet and this went against the planned course that Ambassador 'Vulcan as a mfer' Sarek has in mind for his son (and because it meant that he had needless let down his adopted daughter). Yes, Spock was also 'picked on' and 'looked down on' by others when growing up but in some ways it is children being children. T'Pring did not seek Kali'fi rather than marry Spock because he was half human, or because she had any prejudices, but because Starfleet kept him away for too long, and with his star on the rise, so to speak, she did not want to be married to something of a celebrity. The Vulcans in the Enterprise Era were more prejudiced, but that was, as much as anything, due to slowly drifting away from Surak's teachings, and also outside influence by Romulans, and while they find them frustrating and over-emotional, many of Vulcans like T'Pol and Soval actually have a great deal of admiration for humans and humanity, although they hide it well.
Modern Trek has taken these, perfectly sensible (if not necessarily defensible) stances and gone "most Vulcans are prejudiced, look down on everyone, find Spock to be not Vulcan enough, and are generally rude and a bit xenophobic" which takes away so much of their nuance and one of the best pieces of Vulcan Philosophy, the IDIC.
Watch Enterprise
@@blackbird7781 I have
@@doorofnight87 clearly you haven't
@@blackbird7781 And why is that? I talked about Enterprise in my post, and mentioned that the Vulcans are more close minded and prejudiced in Enterprise, but they are clearly shown, in the fourth season, to have been slowly drifting away from Surak's teachings, in part due to Romulan influence.
I've never understood why people want a Doctor Who Star Trek merger. It's a stupid idea. Crossover comics? Sure but an actual on tv crossover merger is stupid.
Lower decks so good
Legacy will never happen because it came from Matalas, not Kurtzman. Plain and simple.
Or, in other words, Para-whatever intentionally shot itself in the foot... not once, not twice, but FOR A THIRD TIME! (Prodigy, Legacy, and Lower Decks).
@@BogieRel Prodigy, while I wish it would be renewed for a third season, already has 40 episodes, which is technically 4 seasons if you stacked it with any other current Star Trek series. As Paramount is now keen to end all Star Trek series at 5 seasons and/or 50 episodes, it is highly unlikely Prodigy will be renewed.
Can't comment on Legacy, as I'm not following it very closely.
Lower Decks had enough momentum to go two more seasons. But, even if the idea that the Boimler, Mariner, Tindy, Rutherford and T'Lyn are no longer lower decks, what would have been better than simply end it would be to transition it into a new series. It had enough momentum to go another two seasons.
Sad, but true!
There has certainly been a lot of bad decision making with all things Star Trek, whether it's canning a series, the writing, the plot holes, the continuity errors, etc., perhaps it's time for hollywood to hand over the reigns to the people who care the most about it, the fans, granted there's been plenty of dubious fan-made content over the years, but at least the fans care about keeping it going and keeping it on-track...
I'm a voracious Star Trek consumer and Discovery was so bad I couldn't get past S1.
As a black woman I am glad that Discovery is not a safe country for us. Most Africans here don't like American and China and the East are what we pay attention to. Gen Z watch KPop and KDramas if we want to indulge in foreign markets and have erased American entertainment from their watchlist. America is backward ass country and we don't want to low culture to effect us. Thank you, this was a blessing. We can cut ties with the West permanently.
You lasted longer than me......2nd episode and I was out.
@2OldGeeksTalking You og gonna last th next 20 years, Sir. USA is turning blakc and brown. Deale with it
You and me both. I wanted to like it... but it was vacuous and empty. It really didn't name a plan and tried to take advantage of fans like us thinking we would watch it regardless. They were wrong.
Great video everyone
was the audio recorded in your bathroom?
jup
Yeah definitely not up to par
As the voice over kicked in, I immediately wondered if Sean had been trying to escape a busy holiday household to record this, finding the bathroom was the only place to to escape the noise.
No, come on guys, please watch Trek Saved by the Bell. Why would you want shows where your are trekking through space?
Two mentions of Star Wars instead of Star Trek in the Paramount/Skydance merger. Seems like Skydance didn't realize which franchise they were going to acquire....
They have been trying to turn Trek into "Star Wars", since Abram's Star Trek movies.
So much good this year, and so many tragic losses, and still all some people want to do is shit on Discovery
Don’t worry about the outrage tourists.
@@DefaultProphet Yep, they're just idiots
Discovery is such a far cry from what the rest of Star Trek is (by design) that you can’t be surprised.
because it deserves it. there was so much wrong
@@Revkor No, no it doesn't you brain rotted twitter user
Folks, imagining something very hard and being disappointed your fantasy isn't becoming reality is not the same thing as a studio letting down the fans. Legacy was never on the table, neither was a Doctor Who crossover. Sure, you'd like them to happen, but that isn't like Disney announcing a million Star Wars shows/movies and then not producing them. Paramount never announced or even hinted that these things were possible.
Greatest moments should include Lower Decks decanonising Discovery.
Absolutely the best Star Trek moment
Honestly i dont care what anyone says, Discovery was great and in many moments just felt like pure fun Star Trek. Yes it wasnt perfect and had some issues but that doesnt automatically make it the devil incarnate, there were so many moments that gave me the same goosebumps i had and felt when watching TNG DS9 Voy or the Movies, the hate often just feels so forced.
I'm honestly glad there was/is an audience for Discovery irrespective of my own feelings about it. I tried very hard to like it, but it was very difficult me to get over the constant savior/pariah flip flopping of Michael Burham, and that I found so few of the characters likable.
It was a constantly emotive, virtue-signalling mush that simply wasn't Trek. Whatever it was might have been ok if you didn't care about what they were doing to mess things up in the Star Trek universe. I remember watching Star Trek when I was eight years old, the very first run of the original series in the UK in 1969. From then I watched every episode of everything, every movie (however dubious the Kelvin timeline ones were), however irritating the Enterprise theme music - till Discovery. I hung in there till season two then bailed. It was unadulterated rubbish, no redeeming features whatsoever, careless in every respect with what Star Trek actually is. The showrunners should be put in the stocks at every convention for the next 10 years, and pelted with rotten tomatoes (or worse).
No they earned every bit of the hate and then some
Didn't know there were only ten episodes of Discovery?
Ironically, the best moment of 2024 was when Star Trek Discovery ended
I actually liked seasons 2-4 but season 5 I still can't get into it
Well that means 2024 had a low bar! 😂 I thought a better point 2024 was Lower Decks implying that Discovery was in another universe and not prime universe. 😂
Objectively wrong.
The Epilogue itself was trash, but DIsco overall was good
@@Soundwave119 Why do you guys keep saying this? lol
Discovery was amazing, new and different I miss it so much. I'd love I'd made more seasons
Seeing another bubble Netflix show comments on Twitter that the streamer takes stock of viewing figures at the end of the year so please rewatch & binge their show before 2025.
The same could be said of prodigy. Rewatch!!
15:07 = Rogue One: A Star Wars Story!?!
WAZUPWITDAT!?! 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
Best Star Trek moment of 2025: Discovery is removed from streaming as a tax write off and Kurtsman is fired.
We can only hope.
For my Star Trek ended when Enterprise went off the air. More power to the folks who like the jj and paramount+ stuff but its not for me.
The only season I really didn't like about Discover was S4 (1 gets a pass, re every star trek series ever). When the stakes are always universal/everything everywhere for all time, then nothing actually matters after that point and the tension or choices really don't matter or have any emotional import. The dark matter thing was a really bad writing choice, imo.
Worst moment for me is Lower Decks season four and Prodigy two only going to blu ray not dvd. One of my sisters loves Star Trek. But doesn't do the internet. Or blu ray. I don't do blu ray either. Reasons. I have brought one or two trek dvds of late even though I'm not as much of a collector as I was just so she can get to see them. I'm sure it's all down to sales which is fine as that's a fact of life. But it's still a bit disappointing.
Need more Star Trek Lower Decks and Prodigy. And get Star Trek Legacy going.
According to reports SKYDANCE is interested in re-setting Star Trek-thus Academy will not continue and 31 will stay a one-shot-if not vaulted for tax purposes. More than likely SNW will lead into the return of Kirk/Enterprise stories as they were not happy with the actions of one star of the series. Of course, the constant Star Trek(JJ) 4th movie still arise-but don't count on it.
McCoy never bullied Spock, they were peers and it was amicable.