I still shoot aluminums for a couple reaaons. 1, their much more affordable than carbons. 2, they work just fine. They do the job just as good today as they did 25 years ago.
I've been in sales for 35 years. I've seen the "selling" that goes on in the industry. When technology sucked for range finders, you had to shoot an overdraw, more speed less trajectory.Now with all the speed you still need a Rangefinder because....?? You have to buy a Rage because broadheads cant fly straight?? (what have I been I've been using past 30 years?) I won't go into ALL the myths but the "smaller diameter more penetration" myth has go to go! ALL THE TESTS are done into targets that are designed to grab and hold an arrow! hint: every thing I've shot at an animal (deer mostly) has a BROADHEAD in front of it!! you know "hole is bigger than the diameter of the shaft. Smaller diameter less wind resistance. You telling me the arrow bucks more wind than the vanes? I shoot Hoyt Katera 2007, IBO 328. Set at 60lbs Easton 2315 340,s 100 grain Montec g-5. NAP Qwikspin Shrink wrapped fletch. This combination has seen 15 deer down. I can't REMEMBER the last time I didn't have a complete pass thru. Incidentally, that's with just 6 broadheads, 5 are still in use. When you say "aluminum arrows are good for beginners" I just chuckle. The selling never stops.
I recently switched to Magnus Stingers. 125 4 blade because I thought.... "Hmmm design has been around forever... Millions of critters killed.". And your point about skinny sticks... Makes sense. The head hits first!
My dad killed deer in the 80's with a simple compound bow using aluminum arrows and fixed broadheads. I remember one deer running about 50 yards and dropping. Worked for him, it will certainly work for me with my modern compound. And with the ridiculous price of good carbon arrows that I'm probably going to abuse and destroy, I could buy several quivers worth of aluminum arrows well equipped w/functional broadheads. It just makes sense to me to use aluminum. If I break, bend, or dent one it costs less that my daughter's cup of fancy coffee to replace. Sold!!
Seen several pictures of carbon arrows sticking out of people's hands. Never seen one of an aluminium arrow sticking out of anyone's hand. I shoot carbon but always think about those pictures. ALWAYS FLEX AND LOOK AT THE ARROW CAREFULLY.
Nothing wrong with old xx75's. They're rugged and durable as hell. I got at least 100 of em. I don't shoot em all the time but aluminum's have alot of mass heading down range
My dad has been using the same aluminum arrows for 15-20 years. Hit trees, rocks, dead logs, deer shoulder blades, and consistantly blows through every deer without damage. My first set of carbon hunting arrows hit a rock and exploded....always buy aluminum
Aluminium arrows is the only thing I use for wild boars. I used to use easton superslamm xx78 and they were really excellent. And now I find and use Gamegetter 2117 (400). I find them cheap and also very good ones. Aluminium is great for boars because of its weigth. And they are more straigt as carbon if you treat them well. Of course: is usual to break or damage the arrow you have shooted to an animal. But it happens the same with carbon over wild boars.
My friend found an old aluminum arrow in his Bush from when he was a kid and it's still in great shape just without fletchings lol. All the arrow says on it is Dura flight 9 so a 9mm aluminum arrow is guessing
Interesting insight into aluminium/aluminum arrows. I hadn't considered using anything except carbon and I shoot target only but I'll certainly have a look at what's currently available, Thanks again.
I remember the aluminum shafts in the 80s and top aluminums back then was xx78 super slams with the uni bushings but the hard deer targets would take the spine out of them over time and moving on to the ACC shafts that definitely group tighter than the AXIS im been shooting for a few years now I'm thinking of going back to ACCs for there tighter tolerances
As a target archer, aluminum arrows for indoor make sense to me. They fly well, are much cheaper (under $70 for a dozen of Camo Hunters whereas a dozen of Superdrive 23s cost over $100 more) and if you only use them for indoor season and take good care of them, they should last for many years. My friend who introduced me to archery, an almost 30 year veteran, still uses earlier X23s and consistently finishes in the top three at almost any competition he attends. He instilled in me his train of thought that spending more on gear doesn't make one a better archer.
I have great luck with my hybrid Easton 6mm FMJ. It is a good compromise of both materials. It has the smooth deep penetration of aluminum (outside) and the rigidity of the carbon inside.
I still use 2219 aluminium shafts out of my old hoyt zr 200 at 70 pounds. At 29 inches draw lenght..all ways have pass through. And still shoot with out sights.i would love to imbrace. The new technologies. Since i am 52 years of age .maybe to hard to change
Im a target shooter only (Its illegal to shoot an animal with a bow in the UK) One of the clubs I attend has a 100% carbon shaft ban, as they use a school field so all arrows need to be accounted for at the end of shooting.
Put the aluminum arrows I shot 10 years ago on the scale, 576g with a 100g head, had to put a 50g insert in my carbon to get to 450 with a 100g head, may be going back to aluminum, I got no shots past 30yds lol
Nice video on the subject. The club I go to allow carbon in door but Ali's out door because of the ancient manor grounds they use. I like Ali's but use carbon for stumping although I have never tried Ali's for it. What's your opinion on using Ali's for stumping
I have a diamond infinite edge and it still has the hostage rest and I'm having problem with the fletchings touching my string.I was just wondering if you had the same problem and maybe some suggestions on how to fix it
I too have the same issue: the cables are creating contact with the fletchings after the arrow leaves the string during the shot. This is an Infinite Edge flaw I'm afraid with having a cable guard not pulling away far enough. I haven't done anything to correct it and I haven't seen any major side-effects. I wouldn't settle for that answer on a $1K bow though. :)
Hi jack. I recently bought a few easton xx75 2214 camo hunter super lite 4 inch vains and 000.2 straightness. There deadly accurate and I love them. My problem is my bow got louder when I shoot them. Is it possible the arrow my be a little to light to be shooting them @ a 65# draw?
Weird. It's usually the opposite with aluminum as they're usually heavier than a person's normal carbon arrow setup. I'm kind of befuddled if I'm honest!
Kid, I hate to break it to you, but I have a dozen jacked up aluminum arrows right now.....tattered fletching, dents, unequal lengths, etc etc......that all shoot just as well as my dedicated pristine 6 in my quiver. Could I gain a few feet per second with carbon? Maybe. Is it worth having to buy another whisker biscuit and $150 in arrows? Nope. Its all marketing and the need to sell new product by big companies. Carbon was replaced by aluminum at one point in the 90s......then aluminum proved tougher. Now carbon is back. Stick around long enough, and something will replace carbon again.
65 years of bow hunting and tournament shooting--Easton Aluminum forever !! Carbon is pure "HYPE" and I hate picking the carbon fiber out of my Venison. ( yes I tried them once--sold them fast) !! " Once the standard ?? Boy, Iv'e got more time pooping in the woods, then you have been alive !! Get some real experience--then come on back !!
On your computer, search for images of carbon arrow injuries. The pics are horrific. And how many people have had a malfunction of a carbon arrow, such as cracks you did not find right away, or a partially broken nock that caused a malfunction on release. I sure have. A shattered carbon arrow, driving shards of carbon through your thumb, hand, and fingers, can cause loss of nerve function, and damage that cannot be fully repaired. I shoot nothing but Easton aluminum. Every arrow is exactly the same. Look up aluminum arrow injuries. You will probably see pics of carbon arrow injuries instead. Most aluminum arrow injuries result in death....for a deer. Why take a chance on such a ghastly result. I shoot aluminum.
I still shoot aluminums for a couple reaaons. 1, their much more affordable than carbons. 2, they work just fine. They do the job just as good today as they did 25 years ago.
I just bought my first aluminium arrows today. Easton X23's for indoor shooting. I just love them.
I've been in sales for 35 years. I've seen the "selling" that goes on in the industry. When technology sucked for range finders, you had to shoot an overdraw, more speed less trajectory.Now with all the speed you still need a Rangefinder because....?? You have to buy a Rage because broadheads cant fly straight?? (what have I been I've been using past 30 years?) I won't go into ALL the myths but the "smaller diameter more penetration" myth has go to go! ALL THE TESTS are done into targets that are designed to grab and hold an arrow! hint: every thing I've shot at an animal (deer mostly) has a BROADHEAD in front of it!! you know "hole is bigger than the diameter of the shaft. Smaller diameter less wind resistance. You telling me the arrow bucks more wind than the vanes? I shoot Hoyt Katera 2007, IBO 328. Set at 60lbs Easton 2315 340,s 100 grain Montec g-5. NAP Qwikspin Shrink wrapped fletch. This combination has seen 15 deer down. I can't REMEMBER the last time I didn't have a complete pass thru. Incidentally, that's with just 6 broadheads, 5 are still in use. When you say "aluminum arrows are good for beginners" I just chuckle. The selling never stops.
Gary Keen sounds right to me.
I recently switched to Magnus Stingers. 125 4 blade because I thought.... "Hmmm design has been around forever... Millions of critters killed.". And your point about skinny sticks... Makes sense. The head hits first!
My dad killed deer in the 80's with a simple compound bow using aluminum arrows and fixed broadheads. I remember one deer running about 50 yards and dropping. Worked for him, it will certainly work for me with my modern compound. And with the ridiculous price of good carbon arrows that I'm probably going to abuse and destroy, I could buy several quivers worth of aluminum arrows well equipped w/functional broadheads. It just makes sense to me to use aluminum. If I break, bend, or dent one it costs less that my daughter's cup of fancy coffee to replace. Sold!!
Seen several pictures of carbon arrows sticking out of people's hands. Never seen one of an aluminium arrow sticking out of anyone's hand. I shoot carbon but always think about those pictures. ALWAYS FLEX AND LOOK AT THE ARROW CAREFULLY.
Nothing wrong with old xx75's. They're rugged and durable as hell. I got at least 100 of em. I don't shoot em all the time but aluminum's have alot of mass heading down range
My dad has been using the same aluminum arrows for 15-20 years. Hit trees, rocks, dead logs, deer shoulder blades, and consistantly blows through every deer without damage. My first set of carbon hunting arrows hit a rock and exploded....always buy aluminum
Aluminium arrows is the only thing I use for wild boars. I used to use easton superslamm xx78 and they were really excellent.
And now I find and use Gamegetter 2117 (400). I find them cheap and also very good ones.
Aluminium is great for boars because of its weigth. And they are more straigt as carbon if you treat them well.
Of course: is usual to break or damage the arrow you have shooted to an animal. But it happens the same with carbon over wild boars.
My friend found an old aluminum arrow in his Bush from when he was a kid and it's still in great shape just without fletchings lol. All the arrow says on it is Dura flight 9 so a 9mm aluminum arrow is guessing
Interesting insight into aluminium/aluminum arrows. I hadn't considered using anything except carbon and I shoot target only but I'll certainly have a look at what's currently available, Thanks again.
I remember the aluminum shafts in the 80s and top aluminums back then was xx78 super slams with the uni bushings but the hard deer targets would take the spine out of them over time and moving on to the ACC shafts that definitely group tighter than the AXIS im been shooting for a few years now I'm thinking of going back to ACCs for there tighter tolerances
As a target archer, aluminum arrows for indoor make sense to me. They fly well, are much cheaper (under $70 for a dozen of Camo Hunters whereas a dozen of Superdrive 23s cost over $100 more) and if you only use them for indoor season and take good care of them, they should last for many years. My friend who introduced me to archery, an almost 30 year veteran, still uses earlier X23s and consistently finishes in the top three at almost any competition he attends. He instilled in me his train of thought that spending more on gear doesn't make one a better archer.
I have great luck with my hybrid Easton 6mm FMJ. It is a good compromise of both materials. It has the smooth deep penetration of aluminum (outside) and the rigidity of the carbon inside.
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I still use 2219 aluminium shafts out of my old hoyt zr 200 at 70 pounds. At 29 inches draw lenght..all ways have pass through. And still shoot with out sights.i would love to imbrace. The new technologies. Since i am 52 years of age .maybe to hard to change
Im a target shooter only (Its illegal to shoot an animal with a bow in the UK) One of the clubs I attend has a 100% carbon shaft ban, as they use a school field so all arrows need to be accounted for at the end of shooting.
I guessing that they think an aluminium arrow is easier to find with a metal detector?
R Mac indeed, 30 inches of aluminium vs 3 inches of point
Move out of the UK
They took the guns and the bows from the brits :/ bout time for a revolution
I can't find most of my old carbon arrows, their in the ground or stuck in a tree somewhere in the forest behind my target area. LOL
Put the aluminum arrows I shot 10 years ago on the scale, 576g with a 100g head, had to put a 50g insert in my carbon to get to 450 with a 100g head, may be going back to aluminum, I got no shots past 30yds lol
Nice video on the subject. The club I go to allow carbon in door but Ali's out door because of the ancient manor grounds they use. I like Ali's but use carbon for stumping although I have never tried Ali's for it. What's your opinion on using Ali's for stumping
I have a diamond infinite edge and it still has the hostage rest and I'm having problem with the fletchings touching my string.I was just wondering if you had the same problem and maybe some suggestions on how to fix it
I too have the same issue: the cables are creating contact with the fletchings after the arrow leaves the string during the shot. This is an Infinite Edge flaw I'm afraid with having a cable guard not pulling away far enough. I haven't done anything to correct it and I haven't seen any major side-effects. I wouldn't settle for that answer on a $1K bow though. :)
Try a lower fletch? I had some clearing issues and I changed to longer and lower fletchings. Happy with them atm
John Desolator ok thanks I didn't know if it was my rest
Hi jack. I recently bought a few easton xx75 2214 camo hunter super lite 4 inch vains and 000.2 straightness. There deadly accurate and I love them. My problem is my bow got louder when I shoot them. Is it possible the arrow my be a little to light to be shooting them @ a 65# draw?
Weird. It's usually the opposite with aluminum as they're usually heavier than a person's normal carbon arrow setup. I'm kind of befuddled if I'm honest!
Kid, I hate to break it to you, but I have a dozen jacked up aluminum arrows right now.....tattered fletching, dents, unequal lengths, etc etc......that all shoot just as well as my dedicated pristine 6 in my quiver. Could I gain a few feet per second with carbon? Maybe. Is it worth having to buy another whisker biscuit and $150 in arrows? Nope. Its all marketing and the need to sell new product by big companies. Carbon was replaced by aluminum at one point in the 90s......then aluminum proved tougher. Now carbon is back. Stick around long enough, and something will replace carbon again.
What do you recommend for short range target shooting? I'm completely new to archery, I plan on shooting targets and trees, no flesh or hunting
A heavy aluminum arrow has less KE then a FOC arrow.
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Ok, I'll bite.....wtf does that mean???
Victory arrows...
Just had to say I appreciate your acknowledgment to God the Father on every video.
Shalom.
65 years of bow hunting and tournament shooting--Easton Aluminum forever !! Carbon is pure "HYPE" and I hate picking the carbon fiber out of my Venison. ( yes I tried them once--sold them fast) !! " Once the standard ?? Boy, Iv'e got more time pooping in the woods, then you have been alive !! Get some real experience--then come on back !!
Dang it you beat me by 2 years. All my friends got old and quit hunting " DAMN WHIMPS". I hope to die climbing a hill with my bow in my hand.
Aluminium arrows are GREAT if you only hit flesh.
If you don't, your arrows will be very nearly USELESS.
Give me carbon composite ANY DAY.
On your computer, search for images of carbon arrow injuries. The pics are horrific. And how many people have had a malfunction of a carbon arrow, such as cracks you did not find right away, or a partially broken nock that caused a malfunction on release. I sure have. A shattered carbon arrow, driving shards of carbon through your thumb, hand, and fingers, can cause loss of nerve function, and damage that cannot be fully repaired. I shoot nothing but Easton aluminum. Every arrow is exactly the same. Look up aluminum arrow injuries. You will probably see pics of carbon arrow injuries instead. Most aluminum arrow injuries result in death....for a deer. Why take a chance on such a ghastly result. I shoot aluminum.