Highlift jack vs Bottle jack vs Exhaust jack
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- Highlift jack vs Bottle jack vs Exhaust jack
SKIP/JUMP POINTS
0:01 Intro
0:47 Crash course
4:42 Terrain Sand
6:11 Terrain Mud
6:57 Terrain Hard ground
7:40 Terrain Rocks
8:39 Terrain General use
9:15 Base Plates
10:04 Pro's and Con's HIGHLIFT Jack
13:52 ARB JACK pros Cons
15:33 Pro's and Con's Bottle Jack
19:48 Pro's and Con's Exhaust Jack
22:03 The most Important Item of ALL
22:28 Conclusion
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Americans all carry Hi Lifts mounted outside on bull bars or roof racks BECAUSE IT looks COOL when parked at Krogers, getting groceries!
Fester Adams Aussies’ favourite are the awning and bright orange recovery boards. Gotta let everyone know how hardcore you are.
No, we just carry fully automatic death ray machine guns to deal with the Safety Sally nose in the air blokes like you.
Filing this away under "Sad but True"
as an american who thinks its stupid, i can confirm
Agreed, I can't stand how people just have them for appearances...
Hell, i go off roading so often, but damn the looks I get if I use my truck for something other than mudding, rock crawling, and sand cruising. It's the only vehicle I have, but I wouldn't have it any other way. I love my baby.
Fantastic video! I once used an exhaust jack to hold my vehicle from rolling over on its side when it was sideways in a ditch till someone came to winch me out. It also provided some support, preventing the car from rolling while it was winched out.
Hi-lift jack, or as the say in Scottsdale, "A Hood Ornament"
DesertFernweh Lmao people love to put them i their hoods and roof racks with their stickers and no paint scratches on it.
@@cablenowadays6586 We call those, Pavement Queens or FTNs Fake Tits on a Nun.
Yay middle class soccer moms
@@cablenowadays6586 Yep! Also, the bro-dozer pickups with a massive hitch with no scratches on it.
@@DesertFernweh lmao the Concrete Cowboys
The release valve on the bottle Jack has to be closed when storing it on it's side or the fluid will leak out.
Great video.
When using a farm jack I chain the suspension to limit travel. That way you don’t have to lift the jack as high to get a wheel up
You also refer to it by its proper name. I would wager that 85% of owners don't know more than 2-3 uses for this tool. I stunned the whole camp when I pressed a ujoint into a driveshaft still on the truck with it
Smart
@@jackwagonsplaylists holy shit I'm not the only one?!? I mean I did it on an axle shaft not a driveshaft, but I pressed a U joint nonetheless
There’s thinking.
One of the best presentations I’ve seen on any subject. Thank you for taking the time to do a great job.
Really glad I found your channel Ronny! As a complete noob to off-roading your vids explain things very completely and in a way a noob like me can get! I will be watching a lot of your stuff!!
I just picked up a bottle jack buddy. They are back in stock and now powder coated. Great video!
I'm glad you mentioned having solid jacking points for the high-lift. I have seen many plastic SUVs driving around with those jacks mounted to roof or spare tire racks.
We still carry a scissor jack as well as a couple of bottle jacks because the scissor will get under when there is very little room
It will get under when a small bottle wont. Great advice on the vid.
That's the combo I'm thinking of sticking with.
yeh i use it to get the height to get the bottle under
I looked at the ARB jack at Overland Expo and once I saw the price $795, I decided that it is not the jack for me. Great review on all of the different types of jacks. So much knowledge and experience on what to and what not to use. Thank you
For someone getting into 4WDing i like your channel, PCOR and 4WD Action. I like yours for all the tips and getting into more detail about things I actually have questions about. Cheers!!!
Thanks to your vids I’ve ditched the HiLift and only use a bottle jack (or 2); mainly because my vehicle doesn’t have adequate lift points. Don’t regret it! Thanks Ronnie!
Awesome video dude, extremely informative as always. When I first heard of the exhaust Jack, I thought “what a joke, I can think of millions of reasons why that would never work in any application “but it was interesting to see that there are in fact a few uses for it
Take a look at the Hi-Lift LM-100 Lift Mate! You can attach your Hi-Lift Jack to your wheels and lift your wheels. If you have jack stands, you can even change your tires! And it's always a good idea to use wheel chocks on the wheel diagonally opposite where your jacking. I hope this is helpful!
Yes exactly. I use this since years. Works perfectly and reduces a lot of the danger points (no proper fixing points, need to lift it up the whole chassis travel,...) and you can use it like a "small winch". The best thing to reduce the risk, working with all the jacks is, take time, no hurry and think what you do.
Really comprehensive explanation, good info, sound advice, well done - thanks. 😊 I agree that highlift has limited use for most, and bottle is the most versatile. I rarely go sand and do not have a gasbag, but I see there value for others. Pressures and shovel are the bomb!
In my case, I'm the gas-bag!! lol
Hey Ron, just letting you know at 5:52 you said "this is where the bottle jack is superior" while you're putting the exhaust jack under the ranger :P
Opps 😬
That's a land rover
My Hi-Lift Jack was used once on the vehicle, 2004 Xterra. Most often used for pulling many fence posts embedded in concrete out of the ground. Once a group of us were removing a long run of old wood fence. After removing all the rails and pickets next came pulling out the posts, so they began digging around the first post. I stopped them, connected a strap around the post then using the Hi-Lift jacked it out, they were amazed how easy it came out. Then using the jack we went from post to post; too cool. It saved us much time and back breaking work.
Heya Ronny - love your stuff. You didn't mention the X-Jack option which is exhaust or compressor. Everyone has a compressor, is much easier to regulate (start/stop lift) and takes this back to a one-man operation. Also no exhaust fumes on deflation!
bless your heart for kindly providing the jump links
I always carry around an old phone book for a jack plate & paper to light my fires.
thanks bud...good idea..i'll use it..cheers!
What’s a phone book ???? Lol 😂
@@mtnboy6201 🤣🤣🤣 Showing my age aren't I?
Cool idea, but Can't find a phone book, so I'll have to use a full reem of a4 printer paper from my works stationary cabinet...ha ha
I use Victoria's secret catalogues
I bring a bottle jack and hi-lift. I also carry a jack stand just in case. The jack stand helps when winching others up hills. I place it under the bumper. It keeps the suspension from taking the load and adds a level of predictability. Thanks Ronnie for another great video.
something not mentioned regarding the bottle jack how small the head is - you can get adapters to sit on top to help lifting an axel or just to spread out the load, safe jack makes a whole kit including extensions and base plates, its been a huge help and made the bottle jack even more useful/safe
Great point. I was going to mention that scissor jacks at least have a notch that fits certain lift points on certain vehicles, but such an adapter for a bottle jack could work even better.
Yep I have the Sargent kit...
Thanks for the tip.
Having been a volunteer FF, I can tell you that the exhaust jack was born from the similar idea of what we use to stabilize a car/truck in an accident, so that we can get patients extricated from the vehicle safely. However, our lift bags use compressed air, with a switch box held at a distance from the lift bags. The bags we use are kevlar coated steel upper and lower plates, which flatten out to a square footprint. These bags are designed to lift anything from a tiny car, up to large farming equipment, depending on the size and rating of the bag we use. We also use cribbing blocks, but the main stability comes from the lift bags. We highly trust them, considering they are used to keep us safe, as well as the patient we are trying to help. The exhaust jack was created with a similar idea, but cheaply executed design. If you have access to compressed air, a reliable lift bag with controller will cost less than that ARB paperweight you have there.
Do you know the manufacturer's name of the bags you describe?
@@FktGT Paratech is the big one. The system runs off the compressed air bottles that firefighters use to breathe from so it might take some doing to set the system up to work off a normal vehicle air compressor. Unless you have a tank attached that reaches 4500 psi that is :)
@@dirtpro06 I would think that those that have a Powertank CO2 setup, like I do, could use that to inflate the bags easily.
Ronny, you can use the Hi Lift by lifting on the tire by either using the Hi Lift Lift Mate or a tree strap in a basket congratulation around the tire. You can also cast cast with the Hi Lift. Similar to as what you were saying about the bottle jack.
Good video, I will just say though the exhaust jack can be used as an actually very useful tool when fitting accessories, we where using one to lift a rear bar into right position and holding it there while we bolted it in, made it very easy to maneuver it and get it in place
For my mild occasional off roading in a 2005 4Runner that's my unobtrusive gray man bug out vehicle, i chose an 8 ton hydraulic jack and the fairly capable (if slow) factory screw bottle jack, based largely on the comparison in this and your other Hi-Lift jack video.
I yhink I'll carry a good come along to use instead of a winch, along with the receiver shackle, axle straps, traction track mats, etc.
Thanks for the GREAT information.
Great video, Ronny, as always. The hilift jack gets a lot of criticism, but I find it very effective even on sand if used correctly and with a base plate. I don’t have a bull bar, but use the wheel hooks which are very effective. Agree, depends on rims, so need to test in advance.
Another idea for a topic for you: drinking water. Eg sterilizing water tanks, using inline filters, emergency water purifiers, etc
A hydraulic bottle jack should actually be stored in a basically upright position for longer term storage. Juss saying...
Another great vid Ronny, thanks so much for posting it!
Great tip on using a bottle jack to drive out of an obstacle! 👍
Thanks 😎 Bro the video contents was Awesome & learning what each Jack was doing with in each set up.
Bottle jacks are awesome. I've even used it inside my steel-tray tool box, so Hi-Lift jack could lift the Cruiser by the tool box without crushing it.
I keep a bottle jack and a hi-lift jack in my Hummer H3 always. The Hi-Lift has got me unstuck in the past. Thanks Ronni, you are a fountain of useful information. Happy New Year, bro :|
I've only just started using a bottle Jack, love it. My high lift is used on a stock vehicle so I have some equipment to bolt onto it so I can use it better, I'd always carry a High lift and a bottle on trails.
I remember the old man raising the back of the old kingswood station wagon out of a shallow mineshaft with an exhaust jack. The major advantage was we could stand a safe distance back from the vehicle when it was being jacked. Don't underestimate the good old exhaust jack.
Very good vid. Noticed several folks asking for this type of comparison and you hooked it up.
We have floor jacks here in the U.S that are the best of all three. High capacity, naturally large surface area, safety of hydraulics. The most popular ones are the aluminum 3 tons from Harbor Freight, which people add large wheels/or replace the wheels with a giant skid plate. They are by far the best out for all around use.
When I was a tour guide in the Top End and Kimberley we were constantly having issues with the supplied hydraulic jacks. The mechanics suggested that I always throw in my factory Toyota bottle jack as they are mechanical and cannot have any issues compared to the hydraulic jobs. Food for thought. Lighter to boot.
Hi Ronny,
thanks again for a great video. very useful as a reminder for the experienced 4wdriver.
a note at 21:10 you called up CO2 as a toxic gas. CO2 is not toxic and is harmless. It is the CO or Carbon Monoxide in the exhaust, among other things that is toxic
carbon monoxide is bad, Carbon Dioxide is good.
cheers
It is worth noting, though, that CO2 is an asphyxiant. If you inhale too much, it won't poison you, but it'll displace oxygen in your lungs, causing you to suffocate. Still, CO is worse.
Great info as always. Agree 100% with everything you said. If you said you can only take one jack, for me it would be the exhaust jack - mainly because you can use it everywhere. The other types of jack, the terrain is hugely limiting. Sand, mud, swamp and hard ground = exhaust jack. Thanks for the vids and advice mate - awesome.
My Ford Expedition has a stock bottle jack and long trips I take the High Lift as well as a secondary only as a precaution. High lift we are super careful and very methodical with holding it firmly. Thx for the Vid Ronny
If I had to choose just one, gotta be High-Lift. Hands down. Most versatile. The wheel-lift adapter plus jack stand solves the suspension droop issue. Add a bag of goodies to winch with it and stuff. Yeah, there are dangers, but a bit of training and technique can mitigate them.
Once that kit is sorted, I'd add bottle jack(s) or a bottle and scissor for all the reasons you stated.
Make sense to use bottle jacks thanks for the in depth info.
This is extremely comprehensive, thank you
Ronny, scissor Jack and Milwaukee 1/2" drive impact
Sketchy, but boy is it quick
A decent power drill will work too and be less wear on the jack. Be careful of scissor jacks because the giant bolt, rivets, or arms can break collapsing the jack & sending your vehicle to the ground REAL quick.
Personally I use a high lift jack with an adapter on the wheel so no need to lift the body first
We're going to need to see A full review on the new arb jack.
Rich Brown (Retiredppd )
All I needed to find out (which I’m sure everyone knows by now) is the obscene $$$$$$$$$$$ it takes to buy one. 💩
I love the Hi-lift and you can drive off those or jack the truck up and push it off to the side. You have to have points to jack from but for trail rigs with armor no problems. We also always throw in a 5 ton aluminum floor jack and 2 stands, for fixing and bigger salvage projects.
I have new 2023 Bronco, I have a bottle jack, and a Hi-Lift Extreme. I have used both at the same time. The Hi Lift to get a little extra height for my Bottle jack, I put it on my MaxTrax as a base, and slid it under the axel so I didn’t have to get under the vehicle.
I’ve used an exhaust Jack on wet slimy. Mud and found as it inflated the base was slipping out, but mechanically it was a piece of cake to use. Gave it to my brother when I sold my Nissan Terrano, I’ve now got a Jeep XJ, so going to get it back off him & the recovery straps that were packaged with it.
Fantastic video for off roaders. I have ofteb carried "floor jacks" with me, that would be an interesting addition here, also using the exhaust jack with a compressor (of course wont work if engine wont start) Pneumatic bottle jacks are interesting as well.
I'm a Canadian geologist and use farm jacks, usually a 48" Jackall as most of our work trucks are non lifted Toyota hiLux rentals.
You can drive off a Jackall if you've lifted from the bumper but I find it usually damages both the bumper and the jack. But in an emergency when time is a factor I do it.
For vehicles without proper bumpers you can attach a screw on set of wheel spoke hooks onto the jacks jaw and lift a wheel. This works well if you are stuck in a hole, just lift the wheel and fill in the hole with rocks. If it's a flat then you have to lift the wheel then block up the vehicle with timber or if you are smart, the axle stand that you brought with you.
I 've been watching your vids recently, great stuff. Highly appreciated.
Here is one more way to lift a vehicle provided that the vechile has a winch. It is in Arabic, however you would be able to get the point and the working mechanism.
Ronny!!!!...... I bought a jack last year that I love!! It’s a bottle jack and a jack stand in one.....and it has a plate on the bottom. It’s a Powerbuilt all in one I paid $32 for it on Amazon and it’s pretty awesome. I have a Ram 1500 on 34” tires and a 3” lift and it has no trouble getting my truck off the ground. Definitely better than the stock jack, and much safer with the built in jack stand.
MY hi-lift saved the day as a replacement tie/Trackbar. on the trail when my Heim joint broke drove over 100miles on it no problems.
Gotta add a bottle jack to by shopping list, I haven't ever really considered factors like these. Cheers Ronny
Bottle jacks are available in a double ram (a.k.a. 2 stage) design where the piston portion lifts almost twice as much as a standard bottle jack.
Lifts twice as much weight or Lifts twice as high? I always thought they just had a longer stroke.
@@ronfox5519 They lift almost twice as high.
@@davidgates1122 thanks for the response . The 2 stage is a useful option that I had forgot about. I'm going to look for a stubby one while I'm at it.
Total agreement ....with you guys. I have a 2 ton and 6 ton. Greetings
The problem with 2 bottle jacks is that you have to go under the “jacked” vehicle to set the second jack
I carry jack stands at all times. Using a hi lift with the wheel lift mate shortens how high you have to lift before shoving a jack stand under there.
I use a bottle jack for roadside tire changes because it’s easier, and the hi lift handle sticks out too far on the side of traffic.
C'mon Mark, there's an easy solve--make sure your flat is ALWAYS on the passenger side...Except in Great Britain....or India...or parts of South Africa...
Holmatro air jacks not metioned combine the joy of bottle jack safety (when sundry valves are used) with exhaust jack footprint on muddy or sandy ground. no pitfalls other than price $$$ (two or more sandwiched to provide height required) stores almost flat 25-50mm. ideal for 4x4. - i'm not affiliated with holmatro. just a really good product. used for under axle jacking and other things. surprised it isn't mainsteam yet... probably price tag...
hit them up for a couple of demo or media priced units Ronny to show the peeps. make sure you get enough to provide sufficient lift.
top channel keep up the good work and remain non biased and viewer focused. its a winning formula.
regards
Agreed.
Shovel, bottle jack and base plate.
I have seen a trolley jack used before on a 78 for ease - but they have weight limits and take up a fair bit of space.
I actually got stock in knee deep snow and a bottle jack saved me from a $1500 recovery fee. I just shoveled the snow from underneath the car, put the jack on 2 pieces of board and was able to lift my 4Runner. Sure at first it sinked in the snow but it still worked perfectly.
Hi-Lift jack for me; I'm always thinking of the stability of the system when the truck is in the air, and while operating the lever. For me, it feels a lot more safe than a bottle jack because you can jump out of the way if you are standing next to a Hi-Lift, but you are stuck if you are laying under your truck trying to jack it up a little more with a bottle jack.
Mate thanks heaps for the vid , just in time as I was deciding what to get ad you helped out heaps , bottle wins for me cheers keep up great work
I spray paint my high lift jack mechanism and the bar with a graphite dry film lubricant which keeps it working with consistent pin engagement and indexing. It is the key to living with one of these rather ominous devices!
Very informative. Thanks. Cons of exhaust lift - it's CO not CO2. Bigger risk. Prolonged diluted exposure can be potentially fatal. Stay upwind when possible and minimise close exposure to higher concentrations.
Hi lift makes a few different addons for the jack, like the one for jacking up the wheels and another one for hooking on to steel bumpers that don't have proper jacking points. I haven't had to use it yet and obviously it's no good if you don't realize you need it before you set off, but a lot of the problems you mentioned about the Hi Lift can be worked around fairly easily.
I purchased the car tyre valve adapter for my exhaust jack, takes longer to inflate but I had the same problem with a twin exhaust, unless you have an extra person to help block one exhaust side ( only works to bulk fill the bag )👍
I’ve used small trolley jacks in the past Ronny on solid ground. They have a big footprint and sit low prior to lifting
Cool vid, I got a high lift on my utv in Hedland.. I use a strap attachment you can find on line that lifts from the wheel or other parts of the chassis that aren’t normally designed for lifting… normally stuck on the salt flats after high tides… 👍👍 defiantly heavy to carry though, gotta setup the rig to cart everything round to make sure you get home eventually 😂
Found a guy stuck to his station waggon by a highlift on I-35 one night. Something just looked wrong when I passed so I went back. His car rolled forward just a bit and it caught his hand against the back door. He had been standing there pulling on that jack, trying not to lose his fingers for a long time. He was pretty badly hurt. I have used Highlift jacks for 30+ years, YES- they are dangerous,. YES they can kill you. The old truckers used to call them a "Widow maker". My well used Highlift jack is mounted on the front bumper of my 4x4 camper truck. I also carry a pair of Bottle jacks & stands, it is a big truck. :)
Hello Ronny great as usual . One point i would like you to address would be jacking on side slopes and the best places under the vehicle to place your bottle jack. Bottle have a very bad habit of slipping off the underside of vehicles if not put on the right surface
A Hi-Lift Lift-Mate (LM-100) accessory is a strap assembly that attaches to the jack and allows you to lift just the wheel when using a High-jack/Farm jack device. Good enough to quickly raise a tire dug in the sand to put a traction board underneath it. Price for the ARB hydraulic jack is $899.00 list on Amzn.
Great info as always, and very timely, I've been looking at what jack to get to compliment my stock scissor jack. Thanks!
Lol this comment sounds like it was written by a 40 yr old virgin who just got his first car there is no complimenting a stock jack either use it for flats like it was meant for or throw it out
Regardless of which jack(s) you carry or use off road you should also carry a piece of chain with hooks. Make a loop around the frame and axle so lifting the chassis immediately lifts the axle. This way you can lift a tire *very* high with a Hi-Lift, or you can lift a tire with a bottle jack under the frame or hitch. On solo recoveries my 60" Hi-Lift is the first thing I grab 80% of the time.
ive actually stated this at meetings,& on trips,they look at you funny,makes sense to me.first time i saw a h/lift used,i said why not fix the diff to the body with chain or strap,nearly 30 yrs ago now...old cars,i think EH,mybe,british,they had a limit strap for suspension travel.
Super helpful and a little scary. Thanks for putting it together!
Replayed the intro 3 times... I though I saw the light explode... then apple.
I havd a Hi-lift and use a lift mate. The lift mate allows you to lift at the wheel if you have holes in the wheel to hook them. You don't have to lift them way high. With the lift mate you don't have to lift the suspension.
You can get an adapter for the high lift jack that has straps and hooks to hook onto the wheel and makes it more versatile as well. Great work mate pls keep them coming
How do you change the tire using the strap and hooks?
I carry a scissors jack as well as 2 bottle and Hi Lift jacks, I use the scissor jack to raise the vehicle high enough to get the 4 ton bottle jack in place. There have been times when I can't get the bottle jack in and due to the angle of the jeep it is unsafe to use a Hi Lift jack. Scissor jacks have a limited use,but can be very handy at times.
You can drive off a scissor jack, but it's not a very good idea to do so.
You could use a scissor jack to lift your frame up far enough to get a bottle jack under it, as well.
When using a hi lift, chain or ratchet strap the axle to the frame. then you dont have to overcome the suspension travel.
Gizmo42Rodeo brilliant
I’ve done this plenty of times on my TJ but now that i have a unibody XJ not so easy without being worried about stuff getting damaged
Good intro to all jacks ..... thanks Ronny
I’ve been knocked out hi-lift jack while out by myself. The handle slipped out of my hand and hit my jaw requiring four stitches where my bottom teeth punched through my lower lip. It also knocked my glasses off and I couldn’t find them when I came to (couldn’t see). It wasn’t a good situation - had to call for help and wait for help to come. I don’t use the hi-lift any longer.
Not the jack's fault. I doubt you'd do it again.
regarding the highlifts, one can get a bracket that goes on the jaw with 2 straps and hooks to go into the holes on one's rim, then lift tyre staight of the ground without needing to extend suspension first.
I carry with me a 48" hi-lift and 2 6 ton bottle jacks. extended base plates for all 3 and height extensions for the bottle jacks.
Hey Ronnie thanks for all the tips and tricks anyway mate merry Christmas and a happy safe new year to you and your family mate see you out on the tracks next year
Pro tip from history channels Alaskan off road warriors: high lift jack can work as a land anchor point for winching when stuck in mud or whatever and there are no trees around. Disassemble the jack so it’s just the long shaft and hammer it in the ground at an angle opposite the vehicle and clip you winch to it to pull you out.
I see the exhaust jack as being the most versatile because it is useful in the many situations except steep rocky terrain, and easy to store and use. 🤷🏾♂️
Nice episode 👍🏽
Grew up with "Highlift" jack's. They were OE on cars and trucks up until the late 70's (that's what those little vertical cuts in old bumpers are for).
Great explanation Ronny Thank you mate ! I totally agree with you Bottle Jack all the way !
Great video Ronny
pros and cons would also be cost the arb jack wold be a lot more expensive then a normal high lift or bottle jack
Not to labour a minor point, but the toxic exhaust gas is CO1 not CO2 - which is the harmless gas we exhale. Still living all your awesome content as an original Sand Groper.
I use a Hi-Lift and carry a chain to wrap it around my axle and hook it to my frame to lift the suspension quicker when used... I also carry a 20-ton bottle jack... Have a great day...
Quite enlightening to learn one instance when double exhaust is a disadvantage. Any more?
For me it's a Bottle jack, thanks Ronny for this very nice video.
Always kept a bottle jack and high lift bottle jack has been completely submerged in mud before an still worked while about every week or so I would have to drag the high lift out to clean it up cause it would seize up but both proved useful
Great and informative mate🔥🇿🇦🚜😎 love the pros vs cons