All of his complaints and reservations seem to be a "you" problem rather than a camera problem. He's the one setting exposure, apparently without reference to a light meter. He's the one picking the composition. I will give him that his apparently random choice of a Canon rangefinder body to use landed him on the least desirable models among all the latter 1950s to end models. The P has two major disadvantages compared to other Canon RF models. (1) To reduce the price, Canon eliminated the complex, multi-focal viewfinder used on all models from the early 1950s to the last in 1968, except for the P. The result is a viewer cluttered with lines outlining the coverage of three different lenses. (2) The shutter. It was made totally new for the P, 7, and 7s. It is a complex design operating at much higher spring pressures than prior Canon shutters, which were based on the Leica design. New, it was great. Used, it was fine, until Canon stopped providing repair parts for it, which was probably in the late 1970s.They tend to drift out of spec as the springs tire, causing the high speeds to slow to the point where simple adjustment is no longer possible. I enjoyed this experience with a lovely 7 I bought on the spur of the moment when I when shopping to get away from one of the most bizarre Thanksgiving dinners my sister ever managed to screw up. (Why the shop owner was open on Thanksgiving Day afternoon, I never determined.) I got a terrific deal on a 50mm 1.4 Canon lens with it, so I never regretted the purchase. As for our guy here, the rest of his video is basically a confession that he has not a clue on how to use an RF camera. There, I saved 7 minutes of your life you'll otherwise never get back.
Yeah litterally skill issues... Man didn't familiar himself with the machine got frustrated using it. To be fair the move to SLR didn't happens for no reason, SLR with light meter are definitely simpler to use than the full manual RF Canon P.
From everything I’ve read, the P was part of the Vl series, not the 7 series, so it probably doesn’t use the shutter design of the 7’s and so shouldn’t share it’s deficiencies or spring issues.
@@FrankGrauStudio The P, 7, 7S and 7SZ all use exactly the same shutter. The VI was an improvement on the V, externally evidenced by the switch from a separate slow speed selector to a single top plate selector clustering all speeds on one, non-rotating dial. The versions of the VI were the last Canon RF to use a variation of the traditional Leica shutter. In Canon genealogy, that makes the P the transition model from the VI to the 7 in that it looks like the earlier models but has the new guts of the next generation. If you want to read verification, I refer you to Peter Dechert's definitive book on Canon RF cameras.
@@randallstewart1224 I don’t dispute what you’re saying. I simply assumed that since the P was a stripped down version of the Vl L(?), they’d share the same internals with the Vl having the additional viewfinder optics and cold-shoe parallax correction button.
I had a similar experience with my Canon L rangefinder, it gets easier with time but tbh as a glasses wearer SLRs are always going to be easier. You'll enjoy the Mamiya 645, if you can pick up a later model and prism viewfinder with a meter you'll get great results.
Bro, stop complaining and give it time. this are not cameras or systems from out time frame they are supposed to be a bit frustrating at first so much so that you are not appreciating your nice photos in this video. i'm currently using a leica iiic with a collapsible lens that you need to put the camera in front of you to chance the aperture and advance the film before you can set shutter speed, no light meter obviously and honestly you better off by zone focusing with this camera but the point is the different experience, you earn the right to say this is a good picture because of me not because of the technology of the camera so keep on trying to make sure this is something you won't enjoy and as someone commented already forget Matt Day.
camera and lens are a great match. its a great tool to master sunny 16 which isn't a lazy way to be, its a way to remember light patterns so you don't need a meter which makes you more advanced and quicker than most. id also suggest if you haven't, to start and get comfortable with zone focusing, that's where range finders shine and takes less time to get the photo when a composition appears in front of you. id like to add. a lab tech has an insane amount of control over the color temperature and outcome of a scan as long as its exposed correctly you can get some great stuff with ultramax.
Two things: 1)You have a good camera and lens combination. Be patient. 2) Stop looking at Matt Day. He's a RUclips geek. 3) Lose the dorky hat. Really. Lose it.
Despite all that you said, you made some good photos imo. I have the same set up, but my body is the 7. The viewfinder is much better on the 7. You get individual frame lines. Nice photos again.
It simply ain't a SLR! We all used RF until the SLR Arrived! Pentax Spotmatic, Nikon-F! We all voted with our wallets! Yet it's a great other way! Metering color negative is not a chore! So wide latitude! Medium format gets really Expensive! Adding more gear, worst way to learn! My Leica M3 is now 57 years in my pro/fun use! Mostly 50mm! Sad!
All of his complaints and reservations seem to be a "you" problem rather than a camera problem. He's the one setting exposure, apparently without reference to a light meter. He's the one picking the composition. I will give him that his apparently random choice of a Canon rangefinder body to use landed him on the least desirable models among all the latter 1950s to end models. The P has two major disadvantages compared to other Canon RF models. (1) To reduce the price, Canon eliminated the complex, multi-focal viewfinder used on all models from the early 1950s to the last in 1968, except for the P. The result is a viewer cluttered with lines outlining the coverage of three different lenses. (2) The shutter. It was made totally new for the P, 7, and 7s. It is a complex design operating at much higher spring pressures than prior Canon shutters, which were based on the Leica design. New, it was great. Used, it was fine, until Canon stopped providing repair parts for it, which was probably in the late 1970s.They tend to drift out of spec as the springs tire, causing the high speeds to slow to the point where simple adjustment is no longer possible. I enjoyed this experience with a lovely 7 I bought on the spur of the moment when I when shopping to get away from one of the most bizarre Thanksgiving dinners my sister ever managed to screw up. (Why the shop owner was open on Thanksgiving Day afternoon, I never determined.) I got a terrific deal on a 50mm 1.4 Canon lens with it, so I never regretted the purchase. As for our guy here, the rest of his video is basically a confession that he has not a clue on how to use an RF camera. There, I saved 7 minutes of your life you'll otherwise never get back.
Yeah litterally skill issues... Man didn't familiar himself with the machine got frustrated using it. To be fair the move to SLR didn't happens for no reason, SLR with light meter are definitely simpler to use than the full manual RF Canon P.
I agree he is the problem not the camera.
From everything I’ve read, the P was part of the Vl series, not the 7 series, so it probably doesn’t use the shutter design of the 7’s and so shouldn’t share it’s deficiencies or spring issues.
@@FrankGrauStudio The P, 7, 7S and 7SZ all use exactly the same shutter. The VI was an improvement on the V, externally evidenced by the switch from a separate slow speed selector to a single top plate selector clustering all speeds on one, non-rotating dial. The versions of the VI were the last Canon RF to use a variation of the traditional Leica shutter. In Canon genealogy, that makes the P the transition model from the VI to the 7 in that it looks like the earlier models but has the new guts of the next generation. If you want to read verification, I refer you to Peter Dechert's definitive book on Canon RF cameras.
@@randallstewart1224 I don’t dispute what you’re saying. I simply assumed that since the P was a stripped down version of the Vl L(?), they’d share the same internals with the Vl having the additional viewfinder optics and cold-shoe parallax correction button.
I had a similar experience with my Canon L rangefinder, it gets easier with time but tbh as a glasses wearer SLRs are always going to be easier. You'll enjoy the Mamiya 645, if you can pick up a later model and prism viewfinder with a meter you'll get great results.
Nice pics, Gold is like crunchy tacos..no wonder most people love it ...
Rangefinders are fun, if you like a minor challenege with every photo. 🎉
Bro, stop complaining and give it time. this are not cameras or systems from out time frame they are supposed to be a bit frustrating at first so much so that you are not appreciating your nice photos in this video. i'm currently using a leica iiic with a collapsible lens that you need to put the camera in front of you to chance the aperture and advance the film before you can set shutter speed, no light meter obviously and honestly you better off by zone focusing with this camera but the point is the different experience, you earn the right to say this is a good picture because of me not because of the technology of the camera so keep on trying to make sure this is something you won't enjoy and as someone commented already forget Matt Day.
camera and lens are a great match. its a great tool to master sunny 16 which isn't a lazy way to be, its a way to remember light patterns so you don't need a meter which makes you more advanced and quicker than most. id also suggest if you haven't, to start and get comfortable with zone focusing, that's where range finders shine and takes less time to get the photo when a composition appears in front of you.
id like to add. a lab tech has an insane amount of control over the color temperature and outcome of a scan as long as its exposed correctly you can get some great stuff with ultramax.
Two things:
1)You have a good camera and lens combination. Be patient.
2) Stop looking at Matt Day. He's a RUclips geek.
3) Lose the dorky hat. Really. Lose it.
thanks for the comment buddy.
Despite all that you said, you made some good photos imo. I have the same set up, but my body is the 7. The viewfinder is much better on the 7. You get individual frame lines. Nice photos again.
It simply ain't a SLR! We all used RF until the SLR Arrived! Pentax Spotmatic, Nikon-F! We all voted with our wallets! Yet it's a great other way! Metering color negative is not a chore! So wide latitude! Medium format gets really Expensive! Adding more gear, worst way to learn! My Leica M3 is now 57 years in my pro/fun use! Mostly 50mm! Sad!