Das is so true xD "wenn man selber noch nicht damit zufrieden ist aber das Land die Zeit nicht hat". if you're not satisfied with it yourself but the country doesn't have the time
Funny story, ever wondered why still has the shorter, less powerful 120 mm L44 main gun on the Abrams instead of the more modern L55? It's because of exactly this reason. When the US adopted the Rheinmetall 120 mm L44 they thought it was too complex and replaced the hydraulic recoil mechanism with what is essentially a large steel spring on the M256. When Rheinmetall then developed the longer, more powerful L55 gun they designed it in such a way that it could be dropped into tanks already fitted with the L44, same center of mass and all. The modified M256 had a different center of mass. When the US then trialed the L55 designated M256E1 they found the stabiliser on the Abrams couldn't handle the higher weight and center of mass, requiring a complete redesign of the stabiliser, which congress deemed too expensive. And that's how the Abrams still has a 80s gun. The Germans are currently on the L55 from the 90s, and currently introducing the higher pressure L55A1 from the late 2010s. They are essentially two m,ain gun generations ahead because the US thought a hydraulic recoil system is too complex. Way to handycap yourself. Since then Abrams fanboys have made up dozens of theories to justify it. Ranging from "DU ammo makes up for it" (it doesen't) to "shorter L44 barrel is better in urban combat" (well yes, there however also is a higher pressure L44A1). In reality congress was just stingy.
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First of all, the PzH 2000 is not overengineered; It is a State of the art Artillery system. The incomptence of the Producer of this video is Demo nstrated by assigning the US M 109 resupply vehicle to the PzH 2000. Brig Gen rtd H.Fischer, Former Chief of German Field Artillery
Seien Sie gegrüßt, Herr Brigadegeneral a.D.. Und falls Sie es wirklich sind, dann wissen Sie, wovon Sie reden! Sie haben lange genug und intensiv damit gearbeitet.
there is no real discussion about it, because the expiriences in ukraine are clear. It is the most effective western artillery system. There are others that can match it in matters of firepower. But the PZH2000 had just one loss in the entire war. It is pretty hard to kill with counter battery fire or drones due to its armor. The lifetime of the barrels exceeded the expectaions my a magnitude. Main limitation is it weigth and maintenance needs. The later wouldn't be so much of an issue with NATO. Problem here is that ukraines capabilties in field maintancen are far below NATO standards and that is something noone thought of during design of this weapon system. Of course there are systems that do the job for less money, but these all lack protection and are vulnerable. So when you hit the thickest artillery combat in mobile defensive or offensive operations the PZH2000 is the system to have. But it is far to heavy, expensive and maintenance intensive for beeing the overall solution over a 1000km front. There is no weapon system that can do everything. But in the purpose the PZH2000 was designed for it excels.
I think you ate way too much propaganda my man. Pzh2000 was pretty much taken out of frontline usage due to autoloader not working. Crews Stated that they were in bad shape and didn't Cope with sustained fire and usage in hard conditions. From what I've heard, Krab worked better in almost all respects. You saw few loses of Pzh2000 because they don't fight on the frontline. Confirmation bias
@@gansior4744 I think you watch too many troll vlogs. When it has so many problems why did the Ukraine order more ? Are you Polish while you are hyping the Krab?
Well, the autoloader tended to overheat, but mostly due to the Ukrainian Crews really using the artillery. They handled more fire requests per gun and day than the Germans expected. Also, insufficient crew training made some things worse, but now, the Ukrainian soldiers likely know the PzH-2000 better than most German soldiers.
introduced way more than 20 years ago, it was already in service when I did my service. In Ukraine, they first used it like conventional artillery. Hide somewhere and shoot all day. Completely wrong tactics. complete waste of expensive material. Sure, maintenance hell then and way too expensive for that purpose. The huge advantage is not massive bombardment but highly precise attacks in a short time and instantly piss off again and search another spot to attack. It can shoot 6 shells on the same goal and already drive away, before the first shell hits the ground. One of the view howitzers that can as shoot "horizontal" against vehicles tanks. I wonder how a tank would resist against 155mm shells 😅.
@@JacquesMartiniDas Mädchen für alles 😉 ...wie viele Memoiren erzählen von zusammengewürfelten Einheiten nach einem harten Rückzug und man ließt sowas wie: "Ja, da waren wir dann eingegraben, mit 3 MG42 Stellungen. Wenigstens hatten wir noch eine PAK, ein STUG und eine 8.8."
The self-propelled howitzer corresponds to the German tank doctrine and the image of war at the time. I mean, that's the development of the 1980s. They wanted to fire less ammunition and allow it to move quickly from the firing position. Not an insignificant point on the battlefield. I mean, the enemy ends up spotting them quickly once they fire. If necessary, she can also follow the battle tanks at a distance, offering some protection. I think the chain drive makes sense on the Eastern Front and it will be popular there in Ukraine. I mean, in the harsh winter you at least have some protection from the weather. If necessary, it could also be repaired in the field or there are options for improvising, emergency operation, etc. It is genuine German military equipment and the chief designer also comes from the tanks. One of the few armaments projects that remained within budget. That's why I don't really understand why people in other countries think it's over-engineered. Link to chief designer and interview: "Interview mit dem Erfinder der Panzerhaubitze 2000 - Konzeption, Entwicklungsgeschichte etc." Kanal: Säbelzahnmöwe
Yeah, that Säbel's series is very interesting to watch. The part about the autoloader kinda opened my eyes - they went for this design because it can be faster as only one round is in motion instead of the whole drum or belt/chain. While i still think that it's possible to design a simpler system, even when sticking to this principle, I now at least know why they did it that way.
it's not over-engineered if you train bright European conscripts or well educated contract soldiers on it and have good maintenance crews within reach. maybe it's 'over-engineered' for your average US soldier. look at the M109 and see what the US military deems 'easy enough' for their soldiers to handle.
This is a bit speculation but i would guess that the Pzh2000s maintenance effort is also caused by the fact that it survives. A M777 howitzer doesnt need any maintenance if it gets hit by counter artillery fire after having shot 200 rounds.
Its not overengeneered, the Ukrainians have some reaal life experiences and have some suggestions for improvement, especially air conditioning and cooling of the gun barrel and the information information is gratefully accepted for the ongoing projects.
Why "over engineered"? Complex yes, but they never failed us in Afghanistan. Do you have any stats on failure rates, etc.to backup the "click bait" title?
You forgot about the Computer assisted targeting system. It’s able to fire automatically 5 rounds in chain to hit one or more targets within a few seconds difference. The system calculates the angle of shooting so good that they fire 5 rounds and all 5 rounds hit within a few seconds, so the target(s) have no time to react. And like the others said, if the Autoloader is not working because of a lack of maintenance or damage you can still reload the old fashion way. Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
you forgot the best thing about it, it can fire 5 rounds in a special fire mode, so all 5 are hitting the target area at the exactly same time, while the PzH has already moved away. This Artillery was designed especially for that, it was a huge success to make that work.
There are at least three main reasons for the Zweitausend's low losses, and two of them are its disadvantages, so I wouldn't use Ukraine as an example:)
The successor is fully automated and needs two people only and nobody needs to leave the vehicle for shooting. It can also shoot while driving and the computer will crack the shot when the barrel is on the target only. Needs much less fuel too.
Hold it Krab-fan boys: If I fully get your point, you claim that Krab is equally capable as PZH2000 with less repair issues? Ok. Acknowledging the fact that PzH 2000 was introduced to service 13 years before Krab, you basically say that it took considerable use of foreign tech (BAE, German and Samsung) to create something that is as potent as a 13 year old device? And you celebrate that while Germany rolls out RCH 155 (2man crew, shoot WHILE scoot, full auto)?Do you see the irony? By the way: Krab is reported to be difficult to repair and have exploding barrels. Check your narrative, guys.
Overengineered? Only if what it was designed for could have been achieved with a lesser technological solution. That is however not the case here. In this case every part of the solution was technically necessary. So not over engineered per se; just to the specifications required.
@@olekzajac5948The advantage is, if it fails, it can be easily bypassed just by loading it by hand. Also, since it only moves one shell at a time, it can be faster than other autoloaders because of the lower weight it needs to move
I detest when someone claims something is "over engineered". All it shows is their lack of understanding of WHY it's engineered the way it is. While trying to make out it's "too complicated" because that's easier than admitting they don't understand something made by people far smarter than them
Die PzH 2000: Beziehen der Feuerstellung und Herstellung der Feuerbereitschaft: 1 Minute. Abfeuer von 6 Salven: 1 Minute. Die Granaten könne dabei automatisiert so abgeschossen werden, dass alle praktisch gleichzeitig im Ziel einschlagen. Verlassen der Feuerstellung: 1 Minute. Kein Feind der Welt ist in der Lage, diese Batterie wirksam zu bekämpfen.
Haha, was meint ihr wie lange alleine die Sicherheitsvorschriftenliste ist😅 Gutes Ladesystem, sieht aus wie das Werkzeugsystem einer Werkzeugmaschine, deutsche Technik vom feinsten
PzH-2000 is the fastest artillery system in the world with 10 Rounds per minute aside from the SK K9-Thunder which can do 6 rounds per minute. Is it Over-Engineered? It certainly is but is it the most complicated and the most sophisticated Artillery System in the world? No, that one belongs to the K9-Thunder with its K9A2 Variant which is completely autonomous and only requires 2 personnel on-board being the Driver and the Gunner/Commander and also can do 10 rounds per min just like the PzH 2000 an only minor difference is that the PzH 2000 is a semi-autonomous autoloader system that required a Propellant Charge Loader.
The PzH2000 is the best SP howitzer in the world. It's reliable and not over engineered. It's far better than the American M-109A6 Paladin, the Britisch AS-90 or the French Ceasar howitzers.
@@normalyoutuber8234 I would say it is a mixture of quality and quantity. If the quality of your stuff is better than the other guy...and you can still produce your stuff in decent numbers, then you will be victorious. The problem is that having just a few very high quality war machines ,because you chose to spend so little on your defense, isn't going to amount to much when the stuff hits the fan.
It was designed in the late stages of the Cold War to survive enormes potential Soviet counter battery fire. To do that, the Germans wanted a howitzer that could fire 10 rounds really fast and get out of its position even faster. It was not designed for staying stationary and fire all day round.
The successor is already engineered. It has the same gun but needs only two people, is fully automated, can shoot while driving and still hit because the shot is cracked when the computer has the barrel on target. And the chassis is on wheels what needs much less fuel.
Just casually stealing Bundeswehr footage and even having the audacity to blur the BW logo at the beginning of the video. You could have just credited them!
Did you even spend more than 10min researching for this Video? There is so much missing and wrong Information in this Video, it's stupifying. I should know, I was commanding 4 of those beauties for years
THE MORE TECHNIQUECAL THE SYSTEM , ANY SYSTEM , THE MORE LIABILITY FOR IT TO BREAKDOWN WHEN NEEDED, AND THE HARDER TO REPAIR WHEN IT DOES BREAKSDOWN . REMEMBER THE KISS PRINCIPLE , KEEP IT SIMPLE ".
But it is no longer state of the art, that is now the RCH-155. The first self-propelled howitzer that can fire accurately while moving and only needs a 2-man crew and can also travel long distances without a transporter (railway / low loader).
God, that thing… The RCH 155 is overhyped, and that's its main "feature". Firing on the move decreases accuracy compared to firing while stationary while providing no real benefits. Yet another example of "German (over)engineering".
@@olekzajac5948no. The main feature is automation and modularization. It's faster, equally as accurate as the PzH2000, more modular (the AGM can be used on various vehicles) and on top it can also shoot while driving.
Love that the successor is currently in trials and that one is able to perform such feats like simultaneous impact while driving, so quick "shoot & scoot" is no longer even required.
fun fact there are ammonition for this howitzer that can make a range of over 100km away and the chance of not hitting the target is low and if yes only 1m away
So here we are in the modern age, a Mixture of the G.W. E100 (GeschützWagen E100) and Jg.Pz. E100 (Jagdpanzer E100) combined make the Panzer Howitzer 2000
"Over-Engineered" is the wrong word. It´s a negative term to describe something that is unnessesary complicated without a real benefit. "Well-Engineneered" would be a better word.
Over-Engineered...??? The PzH2000 is a old Design of the 90s. No surprise that the new RCH155 is so far sophisticated compared to the workinghorse PzH2000.
"Insanely over-engineered German technology" apparently just means "much better, than the rest" in american. Because it isn't overengineered. It's just really well done. Or, as we Germans would say "Might actually gonna try for real next time." Seriously, this is peanuts. It's an obligation, to hold up our high standards, that we have for ourselves.
Ukraine has ordered 100 of them - unlike what was said in the video. This can be looked up in the Internet. And it's not the most modern one. The most modern howitzer from KMW is the RCH 155 which can even shoot and move faster than the phz2000.
All that automation and they have to hand transfer the rounds? That seems ridiculous. There should be bulk magazine transfer. Maybe it has but it's a classified feature.
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 its like maintenance inspections that we would do every week, something with this many moving parts seems like it would be a nightmare.
@@schuckycheems ah. well a friend of mine serves on a PzH2000 in the Bundeswehr. he voiced no complaints so far, on the contrary, with the 5 man crew, maintenance is quite easy. Ukraine struggled, due to lack of maintenance schooling (due to sped up training) and having to conduct life video calls with the german maintenance crews, to fix minor issues of the system, that would be fixed on the routine daily service of trained crews.
Over-engineered.. lol... Not a word about its ability to shoot 5 grenades in different trajectories, so that all the grenades arrive at the same time at the same place. Kabooom...
The AGM turret itself? Actually a decent design, as it improves on the Zweitausend's main issue (the autoloader's poor reliability when the vehicle's interior is dirty) by getting rid of the turret crew. The whole system however (the AGM turret on the Boxer) is designed around a flawed concept of firing on the move, so it's a bad design from the very beginning.
Actually, the ukrainian war shows that the "duration of use" from pzh is not so good developed, but for defense, this is the very first time that the pzh is beeing serious used. Need a lot of spare parts cause of the "wear and tear". "But Hans we need a better Transmission" "ruclips.net/video/hVLYtUZbc6M/видео.html xD
To be clear I'm a big fan of the PzH, the fact that the autoloader has 37,419 more moving parts than necessary does not mean it's a bad system.
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There is no such thing as "Over-Engineered" there is only German Engineerd and Bad Engineered .
"Germany's Insanely Over-Engineered "PzH 2000" Howitzer"
In Germany we call it "hm, geht noch besser"
Genau!
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exactly! The RCH 155
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having wheels instead of tracks is very good for mobility, but personly i would always choose tracks over wheels.
Das is so true xD "wenn man selber noch nicht damit zufrieden ist aber das Land die Zeit nicht hat".
if you're not satisfied with it yourself but the country doesn't have the time
Overengineered - a term used by americans to explain things they cannot fathom or produce themselves
Yes, that's right, keyword is Crusader!
Funny story, ever wondered why still has the shorter, less powerful 120 mm L44 main gun on the Abrams instead of the more modern L55? It's because of exactly this reason.
When the US adopted the Rheinmetall 120 mm L44 they thought it was too complex and replaced the hydraulic recoil mechanism with what is essentially a large steel spring on the M256. When Rheinmetall then developed the longer, more powerful L55 gun they designed it in such a way that it could be dropped into tanks already fitted with the L44, same center of mass and all.
The modified M256 had a different center of mass. When the US then trialed the L55 designated M256E1 they found the stabiliser on the Abrams couldn't handle the higher weight and center of mass, requiring a complete redesign of the stabiliser, which congress deemed too expensive.
And that's how the Abrams still has a 80s gun. The Germans are currently on the L55 from the 90s, and currently introducing the higher pressure L55A1 from the late 2010s. They are essentially two m,ain gun generations ahead because the US thought a hydraulic recoil system is too complex. Way to handycap yourself.
Since then Abrams fanboys have made up dozens of theories to justify it. Ranging from "DU ammo makes up for it" (it doesen't) to "shorter L44 barrel is better in urban combat" (well yes, there however also is a higher pressure L44A1). In reality congress was just stingy.
Yeah...I think you are the one who cannot 'fathom for yourself'.
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If all engineering gadgets fail then you can still load manually ..... that's the real genius thing about this artillery piece ! 👍
@iloveaviation-burgerclub-a8145 nice racist speech u got there...
Thank you... I did not know that.
First of all, the PzH 2000 is not overengineered; It is a State of the art Artillery system. The incomptence of the Producer of this video is Demo nstrated by assigning the US M 109 resupply vehicle to the PzH 2000.
Brig Gen rtd H.Fischer, Former Chief of German Field Artillery
Seien Sie gegrüßt, Herr Brigadegeneral a.D.. Und falls Sie es wirklich sind, dann wissen Sie, wovon Sie reden! Sie haben lange genug und intensiv damit gearbeitet.
Why do you think your feelings matter?
Wer weiß ob die Kroaten auf einer Übung mal vom M109 versorgt wurden.
there is no real discussion about it, because the expiriences in ukraine are clear. It is the most effective western artillery system. There are others that can match it in matters of firepower. But the PZH2000 had just one loss in the entire war. It is pretty hard to kill with counter battery fire or drones due to its armor. The lifetime of the barrels exceeded the expectaions my a magnitude.
Main limitation is it weigth and maintenance needs. The later wouldn't be so much of an issue with NATO. Problem here is that ukraines capabilties in field maintancen are far below NATO standards and that is something noone thought of during design of this weapon system.
Of course there are systems that do the job for less money, but these all lack protection and are vulnerable. So when you hit the thickest artillery combat in mobile defensive or offensive operations the PZH2000 is the system to have. But it is far to heavy, expensive and maintenance intensive for beeing the overall solution over a 1000km front. There is no weapon system that can do everything. But in the purpose the PZH2000 was designed for it excels.
I think you ate way too much propaganda my man. Pzh2000 was pretty much taken out of frontline usage due to autoloader not working. Crews Stated that they were in bad shape and didn't Cope with sustained fire and usage in hard conditions. From what I've heard, Krab worked better in almost all respects. You saw few loses of Pzh2000 because they don't fight on the frontline. Confirmation bias
@@gansior4744 I think you watch too many troll vlogs. When it has so many problems why did the Ukraine order more ? Are you Polish while you are hyping the Krab?
@@gansior4744krabs: 54 delivered of which 33 taken out. PzH 2000: 28 delivered, 1 loss.
maybe you are Polish?😂 I prefer to serve on the German gun.
Well, the autoloader tended to overheat, but mostly due to the Ukrainian Crews really using the artillery. They handled more fire requests per gun and day than the Germans expected. Also, insufficient crew training made some things worse, but now, the Ukrainian soldiers likely know the PzH-2000 better than most German soldiers.
@@gansior4744 I built an elephant-proof fence. It works. No elephants!
Over engineered? More like modern state of technology. Muzzle loaders are out of fashion.
There are many, many ways to make a projectile autoloader for a howitzer, and basically all of them are simpler than this.
introduced way more than 20 years ago, it was already in service when I did my service.
In Ukraine, they first used it like conventional artillery. Hide somewhere and shoot all day. Completely wrong tactics. complete waste of expensive material. Sure, maintenance hell then and way too expensive for that purpose.
The huge advantage is not massive bombardment but highly precise attacks in a short time and instantly piss off again and search another spot to attack.
It can shoot 6 shells on the same goal and already drive away, before the first shell hits the ground.
One of the view howitzers that can as shoot "horizontal" against vehicles tanks. I wonder how a tank would resist against 155mm shells 😅.
Most European howitzers have direct fire capabilities and they are trained for it
@@gansior4744 This tradition goes back in the "good, old days" of the 8.8 . . .
@@JacquesMartiniDas Mädchen für alles 😉 ...wie viele Memoiren erzählen von zusammengewürfelten Einheiten nach einem harten Rückzug und man ließt sowas wie: "Ja, da waren wir dann eingegraben, mit 3 MG42 Stellungen. Wenigstens hatten wir noch eine PAK, ein STUG und eine 8.8."
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Ukraine used them pretty good, considering only one has been destroyed in two years of constant combat
The self-propelled howitzer corresponds to the German tank doctrine and the image of war at the time. I mean, that's the development of the 1980s. They wanted to fire less ammunition and allow it to move quickly from the firing position. Not an insignificant point on the battlefield. I mean, the enemy ends up spotting them quickly once they fire.
If necessary, she can also follow the battle tanks at a distance, offering some protection.
I think the chain drive makes sense on the Eastern Front and it will be popular there in Ukraine. I mean, in the harsh winter you at least have some protection from the weather.
If necessary, it could also be repaired in the field or there are options for improvising, emergency operation, etc.
It is genuine German military equipment and the chief designer also comes from the tanks. One of the few armaments projects that remained within budget. That's why I don't really understand why people in other countries think it's over-engineered. Link to chief designer and interview:
"Interview mit dem Erfinder der Panzerhaubitze 2000 - Konzeption, Entwicklungsgeschichte etc."
Kanal: Säbelzahnmöwe
Yeah, that Säbel's series is very interesting to watch. The part about the autoloader kinda opened my eyes - they went for this design because it can be faster as only one round is in motion instead of the whole drum or belt/chain. While i still think that it's possible to design a simpler system, even when sticking to this principle, I now at least know why they did it that way.
it's not over-engineered if you train bright European conscripts or well educated contract soldiers on it and have good maintenance crews within reach. maybe it's 'over-engineered' for your average US soldier. look at the M109 and see what the US military deems 'easy enough' for their soldiers to handle.
The engineering is always amazing
This is a bit speculation but i would guess that the Pzh2000s maintenance effort is also caused by the fact that it survives. A M777 howitzer doesnt need any maintenance if it gets hit by counter artillery fire after having shot 200 rounds.
But the Soldierst of the 777 are dead meat too ...
You still see so many pictures of them and also Russian towed artillery that it seems there isn't that much counter battery fire.
Its not overengeneered, the Ukrainians have some reaal life experiences and have some suggestions for improvement, especially air conditioning and cooling of the gun barrel and the information information is gratefully accepted for the ongoing projects.
Why "over engineered"?
Complex yes, but they never failed us in Afghanistan. Do you have any stats on failure rates, etc.to backup the "click bait" title?
A 5 minute video about my favourite German vehicle by my favourite weapons expert? Yes please!
You forgot about the Computer assisted targeting system. It’s able to fire automatically 5 rounds in chain to hit one or more targets within a few seconds difference. The system calculates the angle of shooting so good that they fire 5 rounds and all 5 rounds hit within a few seconds, so the target(s) have no time to react.
And like the others said, if the Autoloader is not working because of a lack of maintenance or damage you can still reload the old fashion way.
Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
you forgot the best thing about it, it can fire 5 rounds in a special fire mode, so all 5 are hitting the target area at the exactly same time, while the PzH has already moved away. This Artillery was designed especially for that, it was a huge success to make that work.
Compare relative loss numbers of 777s, M109s, Krabs, Caesar’s, … vs PzH2000 and discuss „overengineered“ again.
Yeah but how many they got of this 😉
Overengineered is not right it has no klima 😂
@@davidvonlewinski1176what about "relative loss numbers" was to complicated for you?
There are at least three main reasons for the Zweitausend's low losses, and two of them are its disadvantages, so I wouldn't use Ukraine as an example:)
@@olekzajac5948 you mean the disadvantages it has vs triple7 which is spun out by US military now and krabs killed in masses?
@@pwa8453 you dont loose Equipment if it sits in stotage since 2023, because the autoloader broke down after 3 months according to crews
The successor is fully automated and needs two people only and nobody needs to leave the vehicle for shooting. It can also shoot while driving and the computer will crack the shot when the barrel is on the target only. Needs much less fuel too.
"Overengineered" is used by folks with the doctrine "cheaper is better". But in Germany better is better.
Until they get dragged into a war of attrition and can't mass produce
Concept FFF = Firing Fucking Fast :-D
Hold it Krab-fan boys: If I fully get your point, you claim that Krab is equally capable as PZH2000 with less repair issues? Ok. Acknowledging the fact that PzH 2000 was introduced to service 13 years before Krab, you basically say that it took considerable use of foreign tech (BAE, German and Samsung) to create something that is as potent as a 13 year old device? And you celebrate that while Germany rolls out RCH 155 (2man crew, shoot WHILE scoot, full auto)?Do you see the irony?
By the way: Krab is reported to be difficult to repair and have exploding barrels. Check your narrative, guys.
German Engineering. Great video!
Overengineered? Only if what it was designed for could have been achieved with a lesser technological solution.
That is however not the case here.
In this case every part of the solution was technically necessary.
So not over engineered per se; just to the specifications required.
It is very much the case here, the autoloader design is about as overengineered as it physically can be (it's the most complicated one out there).
@@olekzajac5948The advantage is, if it fails, it can be easily bypassed just by loading it by hand. Also, since it only moves one shell at a time, it can be faster than other autoloaders because of the lower weight it needs to move
I detest when someone claims something is "over engineered". All it shows is their lack of understanding of WHY it's engineered the way it is. While trying to make out it's "too complicated" because that's easier than admitting they don't understand something made by people far smarter than them
Die PzH 2000: Beziehen der Feuerstellung und Herstellung der Feuerbereitschaft: 1 Minute. Abfeuer von 6 Salven: 1 Minute. Die Granaten könne dabei automatisiert so abgeschossen werden, dass alle praktisch gleichzeitig im Ziel einschlagen. Verlassen der Feuerstellung: 1 Minute. Kein Feind der Welt ist in der Lage, diese Batterie wirksam zu bekämpfen.
Haha, was meint ihr wie lange alleine die Sicherheitsvorschriftenliste ist😅
Gutes Ladesystem, sieht aus wie das Werkzeugsystem einer Werkzeugmaschine, deutsche Technik vom feinsten
This system is not over engineered. No other artillery system is on it's level. The Pzh works since about 25 years very good.
Overengineered = technology development, if you don't aspire new solutions you will fall behind
the thing about our "overengineering" is that "when it works as intended, its on top of the world" !
it can also be fired like the traditional howitzer manually if the system fail
PzH-2000 is the fastest artillery system in the world with 10 Rounds per minute aside from the SK K9-Thunder which can do 6 rounds per minute. Is it Over-Engineered? It certainly is but is it the most complicated and the most sophisticated Artillery System in the world? No, that one belongs to the K9-Thunder with its K9A2 Variant which is completely autonomous and only requires 2 personnel on-board being the Driver and the Gunner/Commander and also can do 10 rounds per min just like the PzH 2000 an only minor difference is that the PzH 2000 is a semi-autonomous autoloader system that required a Propellant Charge Loader.
The U.S. are very interested in the much more overingeneered RCH 155....
“genius engineering” and “maintenance hell” are basically the same phrase
The PzH2000 is the best SP howitzer in the world. It's reliable and not over engineered. It's far better than the American M-109A6 Paladin, the Britisch AS-90 or the French Ceasar howitzers.
I love it how Vexr just waits a couple of seconds before speaking like doing an intro of the Panzerhaubitze 2000
"Quality over quantity"
"Jeez guys chill out,i just commented this.And now theres a fight
That didn't work for the Germans the last time.
@@vonbennett8670 "Well yes.But how about now?
@@normalyoutuber8234 I would say it is a mixture of quality and quantity. If the quality of your stuff is better than the other guy...and you can still produce your stuff in decent numbers, then you will be victorious. The problem is that having just a few very high quality war machines ,because you chose to spend so little on your defense, isn't going to amount to much when the stuff hits the fan.
That's exactly what some executive at rheinmetal thought 115 yrs ago😅
@@vonbennett8670bro thinks Germany lost 1v1 😂😂
It was designed in the late stages of the Cold War to survive enormes potential Soviet counter battery fire. To do that, the Germans wanted a howitzer that could fire 10 rounds really fast and get out of its position even faster.
It was not designed for staying stationary and fire all day round.
Eine wunderbare Waffe und bin auch Stolz auf ihr gedient zu haben.
The successor is already engineered. It has the same gun but needs only two people, is fully automated, can shoot while driving and still hit because the shot is cracked when the computer has the barrel on target. And the chassis is on wheels what needs much less fuel.
They are putting the ssme functionality on a new variant of the pzh2000
Just casually stealing Bundeswehr footage and even having the audacity to blur the BW logo at the beginning of the video. You could have just credited them!
I love your videos and their quality❤💛💙 keep it up, greetings from Germany
Did you even spend more than 10min researching for this Video? There is so much missing and wrong Information in this Video, it's stupifying.
I should know, I was commanding 4 of those beauties for years
It would only be overengineered if it made all the inscriptions on the shells facing forward upon loading.
😉🙃🌹😁
As a german, i love this thing and it looks like a damn factory inside 😂
THE MORE TECHNIQUECAL THE SYSTEM , ANY SYSTEM , THE MORE LIABILITY FOR IT TO BREAKDOWN WHEN NEEDED, AND THE HARDER TO REPAIR WHEN IT DOES BREAKSDOWN . REMEMBER THE KISS PRINCIPLE , KEEP IT SIMPLE ".
But it is no longer state of the art, that is now the RCH-155.
The first self-propelled howitzer that can fire accurately while moving and only needs a 2-man crew
and can also travel long distances without a transporter (railway / low loader).
God, that thing…
The RCH 155 is overhyped, and that's its main "feature". Firing on the move decreases accuracy compared to firing while stationary while providing no real benefits. Yet another example of "German (over)engineering".
@@olekzajac5948no. The main feature is automation and modularization. It's faster, equally as accurate as the PzH2000, more modular (the AGM can be used on various vehicles) and on top it can also shoot while driving.
Love that the successor is currently in trials and that one is able to perform such feats like simultaneous impact while driving, so quick "shoot & scoot" is no longer even required.
Im Croatian, was so surprised to see our crest at 0:28, didnt even know we had those lol!
Everyone: Germany will never lose another artillery battle.
Germany: Doch!
The pzh 2000 isnt really overengineered. It's working quite well in the AFU right now. They are getting good feedback.
fun fact there are ammonition for this howitzer that can make a range of over 100km away and the chance of not hitting the target is low and if yes only 1m away
They also come with a beer holder by default ;)
Tztz da hatte die Panzerhaubitze ihren Abc Lüftung nicht an . Sieht hat man wieviel rauch in den Innenraum ausgestoßen wurde .
Germany has always made the best weapons. Luckily their only weakness was Hitler's ego.
Beautiful autoloader system. Best in the world.
this is definately something you dont want to repair in the battlefield.
If you drive a Porsch then you know why this tank is so dangerous.
So here we are in the modern age, a Mixture of the G.W. E100 (GeschützWagen E100) and Jg.Pz. E100 (Jagdpanzer E100) combined make the Panzer Howitzer 2000
Yes, ...and with Norwegian shells about 150km.
"Genius engineering or maintenance hell?" - As is standard with German military vehicles: Both
"Over-Engineered" is the wrong word. It´s a negative term to describe something that is unnessesary complicated without a real benefit.
"Well-Engineneered" would be a better word.
Nothing is ever over-engineered. Only overly complicated.
Over-Engineered...???
The PzH2000 is a old Design of the 90s.
No surprise that the new RCH155 is so far sophisticated compared to the workinghorse PzH2000.
"Insanely over-engineered German technology" apparently just means "much better, than the rest" in american. Because it isn't overengineered. It's just really well done.
Or, as we Germans would say "Might actually gonna try for real next time." Seriously, this is peanuts. It's an obligation, to hold up our high standards, that we have for ourselves.
Over engineered is an understatement 😂
the label is not true at all^^
Der Wille zur Kunst.
This is a quite insane underperforming video! 😂
The Chassis is elongated to the leo 2, to fit in the autoloader. Thr project that was based on the leo 2 chassis was a failure.
Ukraine has ordered 100 of them - unlike what was said in the video.
This can be looked up in the Internet.
And it's not the most modern one.
The most modern howitzer from KMW is the RCH 155 which can even shoot and move faster than the phz2000.
As that one jojo character once said
DOITSU KAGAKU WA SEKAI ICHI
these things are so big man like im about 183cm and im so tiny next to it
Death is a master made in Germany!🇩🇪😲
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What on earth is over-engineered?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overengineering
Seeing this video showed me why ukrainians report wearing muddy boots interferes with the operation. Half the autoloader is in the floor
Looks imo so much like the ww2 nashorn. Without the high tech ofcourse
its not overengeneered its just well build
This vs 1 sneaky drone who would win😂
Dope video
Kanał z polskim opisem a filmy robione w jezyku angielskim 🤣
All that automation and they have to hand transfer the rounds? That seems ridiculous. There should be bulk magazine transfer. Maybe it has but it's a classified feature.
Or at least autonomous rapid transfer
PMCSing this thing has to be a nightmare
PMCS?
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 its like maintenance inspections that we would do every week, something with this many moving parts seems like it would be a nightmare.
@@schuckycheems ah. well a friend of mine serves on a PzH2000 in the Bundeswehr.
he voiced no complaints so far, on the contrary, with the 5 man crew, maintenance is quite easy.
Ukraine struggled, due to lack of maintenance schooling (due to sped up training) and having to conduct life video calls with the german maintenance crews, to fix minor issues of the system, that would be fixed on the routine daily service of trained crews.
@vexrmedia where do you find all this military footage!? it's awesome! love the channel!
They build portable manufacturing factory for their soldier..
Over-estimated😂
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998 hp just 2hp more and it could be Over-engineered 1000hp howitzer.
Over-engineered.. lol...
Not a word about its ability to shoot 5 grenades in different trajectories, so that all the grenades arrive at the same time at the same place.
Kabooom...
All modern SPHs can perform MRSI fire missions, that's not unique to the Zweitausend…
Fun fact, they're made this way because of zee veak und sawft zherrrman hhands
Geniuse, of course!!! ;-)
All that just to have to manually put something fown the barrel and risk losing a finger.
place emphasis on the A in Rheinmetall
yeeeah no, he speaks english, so he pronounced it that way!
called accent!
@@mho... i also speak english
@@SimonCarbonell-fc4pq 🤦♂ then why are you b!tching about pronounciation?
no english speaker does deutsch right!
This sounds funny for a nation of Plywood house owners :)
over-engineered? What is the RCH 155 from KMW then?
The AGM turret itself? Actually a decent design, as it improves on the Zweitausend's main issue (the autoloader's poor reliability when the vehicle's interior is dirty) by getting rid of the turret crew.
The whole system however (the AGM turret on the Boxer) is designed around a flawed concept of firing on the move, so it's a bad design from the very beginning.
no rotate, why? 1:16
This is a strong
Its definitely not over engineered
Z is zet.
It's not over-engineered. This should be standard.
look up PZH 200 direktes richten
Croatia - 12
Over-Engineered and talking about a 24 Year old Artillerysystem... look at the Donar or the RCH155
Actually, the ukrainian war shows that the "duration of use" from pzh is not so good developed, but for defense, this is the very first time that the pzh is beeing serious used. Need a lot of spare parts cause of the "wear and tear". "But Hans we need a better Transmission" "ruclips.net/video/hVLYtUZbc6M/видео.html xD