I'm just impressed that they paid enough attention to not only have her flare and go defensive, she actually did it correctly by hitting the deck so the missiles had to use more energy to maneuver in the thicker atmosphere. Elastigirl definitely knows how to fly a fighter.
@@nerdwiththehatThey decided to just show and not tell. She's very obviously a pro, no real reason to explain explicitly how/why. It is so much better of an introduction to "oh, she's got serious skills"
@@PanderingSlats I appreciate it from a storytelling perspective because it’s a great way to drive a wedge between Buddy/Mirage, but the main thing for me is that she was only an antagonist up to this point, so her being horrified too really drives his reaction home
I like how the fact that she’s using military terminology is also a subtle explanation as to why she’s so good at evasive maneuvers, it’s not just “she’s a superhero, of course she’s good at escaping and stuff”.
its implied helen has some sort of military trained background. shortly later in the film syndrome even asks why a government plane was requesting permission to land.
Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl were practically elite level, A-List superheroes in their universe; the same way you have real life "GOATs" like Tom Brady, Michael Jordan, Elvis Presley, Tom Hanks, Leonardo Dicaprio, Eminem, Superman, Ironman; you know what I mean? The well known names that make you say "Oh, they're in everyone's top 5 list for sure", that was basically Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl in their world. The part that I love is that the movie actually shows you how an ex "A-List" professional hero actually operates in the field. For one thing, we get to see Elastigirl's military training on display here, but when she's actually infiltrating the island there's this moment where she readies herself to grab onto a passing monorail car by whispering "okay, okay", and suddenly she springs into action and she's no longer some middle-aged mother of two; she's locked in and back in "government agent" mode; and she looks like she knows exactly what she's doing cause this is all past experience for her. She even knows how to find Bob by looking for the room using the most energy levels, which normal people wouldn't really think about. And then you have Bob, who runs around the island, knocks out a guard with a well thrown rock, finds Syndrome's password, discovers his plan, and hides behind the bones of another super (Syndrome is still geeking out about it!). When they're both doing their "thing", you can see why they were one of the two best professionals in their line of work. Even after years of retirement and parenthood, they can immediately lock back in and go full "operative" mode when they really need to.
@@MasterOfTruck Funny thing is, it makes complete sense that Helen would have worked in the air force. An elastic body like hers would be virtually immune to the effects of G-Force, she would be the best damn test pilot in the world.
The terror in Bob's voice when he hears that "there are children aboard" Helen's plane is absolutely haunting. Bravo to the VAs, one of the best animated films honestly.
Think this will always be my favorite Pixar movie. Not just because it’s a family of super heroes but that it has so many layers to it leaving more for you to find with each viewing and it takes things so seriously like this scene and Helen giving Violet and Dash her talk about how if they are found they will kill them if given a chance, that hero work is not fun and games, it is serious and can have deadly consequences. The movie does a very good job of toeing the line with fun and serious and doesn’t dumb itself down at all.
Fun fact: Holly Hunter (Helen's VA) insisted on learning aviation terminologies and jargon. It definitely elevated the scene because of the nuances that she was military.
Another fun fact: There's an alternate take of the scene where it wasn't Helen flying the plane, but the friend she called to get the plane, Snug. He... was going to be KIA by the explosion.
Fun Fact: The callsign "India Golf niner niner" ,IG99, is actually a reference to one of Brad Bird's (the director of The Incredibles) earliest movies, The Iron Giant. Which came out in 1999. IG99.
This was the tipping point of the movie for me. A lot of people say the darkest part of the movie is when Mr. Incredible scrolls through the datafiles and it's showing all the dead Supers, but in my opinion, _this_ is the point of no return for Syndrome. The Supers were, well, Supers; adults capable of defending themselves and in a chosen profession where danger and the loss of life was a very real possibility. The circumstances of their deaths were awful, yes, but at the end of the day being a Super was their choice. But this? This was a man being forced to listen to his wife and children die. There is nothing more evil than that. The datafiles scene showed how far Syndrome had gone. This scene showed how much farther he was willing to go. This was the point in the movie when I thought to myself "I know this is a children's movie. But Syndrome needs to die."
Also keep in mind Bob didn't know that Jack Jack wasn't on the plane so as far as he knew he thought Helen and All three of kids were on the plane when he thought that they were killed nor did he know that Edna had made matching suits for Helen and the kids and that Helen's suit was virtually indestructible so when the missiles had hit the plane he had no reason to believe that his wife and kids had survived the attack
@@Cr4z3d nah terrorists have a somewhat understandable reason to their radicalization. war criminals do it cos it makes them feel good. Syndrome is a war criminal
One of the best animated scenes, period. What's interesting is that she correctly says "abort" three times at the end, which means the writers probably intentionally made her mess up the abort and Mayday signals earlier to convey her stress and desperation. And I really like that detail
@@armydillo1013 Fairly certain only saying it two times doesn’t mean anything specific, but saying a command three times typically means it’s an emergency, and the action has to be done now.
@@armydillo1013 So, the reason why it has to be said three times is for safety reasons. In an emergency situation... 1) the first time you say a command, listeners might be unsure whether or not you said anything (due to other noise, business, distractions) 2) the second time you say a command, listeners have heard it, but maybe haven't processed it/ may be worrying if they misheard it (again, see above) 3) the third time you say a command, the listeners have heard it, have processed it, and know they NEED to act on it. That's why soldiers being unloaded from a vehicle are told to "GO, GO, GO!" or "MOVE, MOVE, MOVE!" Stress and chaos can drown out even clear commands. It's why some warnings around explosives are repeated three times prior to detonation as well. Saying the command three times ensures clarity and urgency are both understood.
@@armydillo1013 To show she was making mistakes due to stress and panic like the originator of this comment chain says. It doesn't 'mean' anything, other than being incorrect phraseology due to panic.
Helen's use of radio protocol while flying is exceptionally accurate for a movie. In the director's commentary Brad Bird tells that Holly Hunter insisted on learning the lingo and its meaning. The terminology used hints that Elastigirl has had military flight training. "VFR on top" means she is flying in the regime of Visual Flight Rules 'on top' of a cloud cover. She requests "vectors to the initial", directions how to get to the initial landing approach. "Angels 10" is her altitude call, ten thousand feet. This is a military term. Civilian flights use the term "flight level". "Track east" is her direction of travel. "Buddy spike(d)" is a U.S. military brevity code meaning "friendly anti-aircraft radar has locked on to me, (please don't shoot)". "Transmitting in the Blind Guard" is a call on the emergency frequency where two-way communication has not been established. "Abort" is also a military brevity code, a directive meaning "stop the action/mission/attack"
That would explain why syndrome asks why a government plane is requesting permission to land. He knows that a civilian airliner wouldn't be using that kind of terminology. Never thought about that!
This scene is heart wrenching. The casual carefree initial contact, the confusion when they don’t respond, then the pure fear and panic as she tries to survive. The fact she messes up a couple transmissions adds to that feeling of fear and panic. Being correct is probably not a priority. She’s more focused on her children.
Imagine the NTSB recovering the black boxes. (Which probably didn’t exist in the modern sense or at all when this was set.) All you hear is the plane stressing out during the maneuvers and the pilot desperately trying to keep everyone on board alive.
@@robloxhood101 Considering how she was throwing the plane around, you'd be hearing that thing creaking and groaning as it's frame is pushed to the limits, and likely the two children in the back screaming as well. The haunting end is the cherry on top of that godawful pie
And think about how horrific it was for Bob to have to listen to his wife and his kid's final moments (as far as he knew) and especially when he heard Helen's voice be brutally cutoff after hearing her screaming for the missles to be called off and because Bob wasn't aware that Helen's suit was virtually indestructible he knew that Helen and the kids were gone and he wouldn't find out that they survived until the next morning Bob spent an entire night grieving for his family- no wonder he tried to kill Mirage a second time when she released him
As a kid I never realised just how evil this is. Syndrome _knowingly_ tried to murder two _children_ to satisfy his own ego. And as far as he is aware at the end of this scene, he has just murdered two children and he's completely fine with it. Truly one of the most wicked Pixar villains.
And to make it worse was that the only read why he shot down Helen's plane knowing that there were kids on board was to get back at Bob for rejecting him as a sidekick when he was a kid how evil and petty do have to be to kill a man's wife and kids (while Bob was forced to listen and was powerless to save his family) just because he told you no
The part that gets me is that she’s a literal superhero and she’s faced with complete helplessness and desperation to save her children. It’s so well acted that, being a parent myself it makes me well up every single time.
Oh yeah this film hits different after you have kids. Now that I have a wife and kids, the despair and cold rage Mr. Incredible feels later totally makes sense
And after that she knows exactly what the situation is: "This was not an accident; they knowingly tried to kill my kids. Stay here, stay out of sight, I will destroy them all."
That sacrificial love, she doesn't know if she's gonna survive, indestructible suit or not her head is exposed, and she does get knocked unconscious momentarily and probably thought she had died until she heard her kids screaming.
It's this kind of scene that makes this movie so much more adult than the sequel. The desperation, the tension, the helplessness, the loss... It's very difficult to replicate those feelings unless you pull a similar stunt like this but by then, it'll just seem tacky and repetitive.
2nd one should have been about Dash and Violet as grown-ups. Dash and Jack are superheroes full-time having fun and getting into trouble, while Vi is on more official desk-type work, maybe a super-related lawyer. Could have her and Dash bicker over some lawsuit he's in and how that reflects badly on the supers their parents worked so hard to bring back. And then Bob gets killed, and Violet murders the people responsible with extreme prejudice. Kids grow up. The sequel could've been dark as hell.
Then followed with that one chick showing genuine fear and concern for the concept of killing kids aboard a plane just to make a point, and Mr. Incredible understanding that if this is his wife and there are kids aboard then she probably has their kids with her...
@@softy8088true, and if you are repeating something, you are meant to say “I say again”, but in the heat of the moment it can be explained that Helen was in a high stress situation
@@randomcourier « spiked » is slang used to refer to being targeted by radar guided weaponry. So being « buddy spiked » is being incorrectly identified as a target by radar-guided weaponry when your actually a friendly vehicle.
The fact that Syndrome’s technology was so advanced that his missiles were able to completely ignore the plane’s flares and still strike their intended target
@@furrytimelorddeploying flares in the manner she did with the missiles in the positions they are in usually works. And in this movie, it works. The missiles that end up hitting the plane are not the ones we see initially.
Man it's insane how well done this is on a writing level. Even the errors make sense--she's speaking quickly and more interested in conveying important info than repeating the warning "properly." Really incredible.
I like how she only said abort and mayday twice in that sequence. She's freaking out, no incoming comms to acknowledge her, no communication whatsoever, she's got her kids with her, she's in the middle of nowhere with no backup. With her military training, this is possibly the worst scenario for her, hence her not giving out proper commands towards the end. She gives those two proper rounds of abort, with a weakened voice, frantic but accepting what's about to happen, before diving for her kids. Completely forgetting about the supersuit, just instinctively showing herself on top of her kids thinking, "This is it." This is nightmare fuel for parents. Side note... I think Edna knew something was wrong from the get go, thats why she put that tracer on Bob, why she had those near indestructible suits for the Incredibles. Why she probably made syndromes cape..
@@jamiecinder9412 Arguably, even that's not wrong. It's convention to repeat Mayday three times, but convention like that goes out the window in an emergency - the priority is to get all necessary information across, and saying Mayday two times to enable that isn't a just "not a mistake", it's what you're taught to do. It could be different for civilian airliners, but when I was in the Navy we were told to get across the following, in this order (disclaimer: I was not a pilot, but as a radio operator on an aircraft carrier we received the same instruction in emergency protocols). - At least one mayday to identify this is an emergency call - Callsign and type of craft you're in - Pilot's intentions - Position and heading (preferably current, but last known position and heading if you don't know) - Altitude and FL - How much fuel you have (if plane will remain airborne long enough for it to matter, err on the side of it will if you don't know) Anything beyond that is entirely up to the radio operator to decide if they have time.
I always found it so cool how Helen made the split second decision to potentially sacrifice her life at 1:17 to save Dash and Violet from the missile strike. Of course, she survived the explosion without a scratch, but there's no way she knew for sure that she would.
oh she absolutely thought that she was going to die, when we see her fall into the ocean she has her eyes closed its as if she thought that she was already dead and it wasn't until she heard her kids screaming that she realized she was still alive, its details like this that really make me appreciate this movie more!
Edna already told her her suit was indestructible, that plus her elasticity combined is the whole reason that she and the kids survived a direct missile strike hitting her simultaneously.
@@adale2771 But my point was, in a moment like that, the last thing on a mother's mind is her own safety. Her instinct was to save her kids at any cost. Plus, that's one heck of a way to field test Edna's new super suit, lol.
She created a ballon around her children and her suit made by Edna is already said to be indestructible against bullets and explosive which is why she survived
If anyone is curious, the plane she is flying is what appears to be an amalgamation of either 2 or 3 different Private Jets. I believe it is based off either a Dassault Falcon 20, a Dassault Falcon 50 Suzunna, and a Learjet Model 35. Though interestingly the designers for the movie decided to get creative and gave it a single internally mounted engine. Sort of like a fighter jet given how it also has dual air intakes. If anyone has a better idea of what this plane is based off, I'd like to know!
I definitely agree with the Dassault 50, since it was the first supersonic private jet (and is what Helen asked for- something fast), and matches the rough time period of the movie's setting ('60s, right?)
That last desperate act to save her kids still gives me chills, she probably wasn't sure if Eda's suit would actually protect her from the explosion but without hesitation still protected her kids for their chance at survival.
@@madmannn9576 I mean, she was aware that the suit could take a missile strike, but as I said in my own comment thread, this wasn't a calculated decision. This was purely mother's instinct.
Chaff and flares are two different things. Flares burn hot to confuse a missile's heat-seeking equipment, while chaff bursts into a metallic cloud to add false targets to a missile's radar.
literally everything about this scene is perfection. The music, the voice acting, the research behind the terminology, the emotional turmoil, the cinematography, every shot, every angle. could not make it any better than this.
Except the continuity error where Mrs. Incredible suddenly changes from civilian clothes into her supersuit. But that's nitpicking that I never noticed until today. This scene has left a very positive indelible mark on my childhood.
@@samheard7849There was a scene cut from this clip where she had her suit in a bag next to her. When she didnt receive any response from the towers she put the plane on autopilot and changed just in case, came back after finding the kids and then chaos ensued
One small thing missed: when she mentions “transmitting in the blind” if I’m not mistaken she says “Guard”, as in she’s transmitting on 121.5 because even if she got the wrong frequency for the tower they should be monitoring the emergency frequency
Everyone's impressed by Helen's use of actual pilot lingo here. I'm much more impressed by the way she literally avoids getting hit by missiles SEVERAL TIMES
I kinda like scenes where the hero shows tremendous skill... And still loses. End of evangelion is another great one. The pilot of the cyborg mech pulls of the craziest stuff we've seen in the entire franchise, is at her absolute apex... and still ultimately loses. Because her enemies basically had in universe hacks. Sometimes it doesn't matter how good you are. Sometimes fate just has other plans.
The original version would’ve been much more horrific! Why? Because the pilot that Helen (Aka Elastigirl) borrowed the plane from (in the finalized cut) is actually featured in the original storyboard first draft. His name is Snug Porter, and he was Helen’s old pilot back in the glory days of superheroes. Remember not all superhero have the power to fly. He was a pilot assigned to help transport “Supers” who couldn’t fly, including Elastigirl. He is also one of her best friends. The original cut would’ve been worse because it would’ve been him who was flying the plane instead of Helen. In that cut of the “Missile Lock” scene, everything would play out as it did in the movie when Syndrome attacks the plane with Locked Missiles, but instead Snug would be struggling to avoid the missiles, while Helen protected Dash and Violet in the back. Eventually, like in the Final Cut, the missiles would eventually hit the aircraft. But instead of all of them surviving like in the movie, in the Original cut, Helen only had enough time to save the kids, while Snug was *KILLED* in the explosion. Dark, huh? Not to mention he was a really funny and sweet side character in the original cut. At least he’s alive in the finalized cut (though he’s only mentioned offscreen). Brad Bird said that he wanted the original scene to show how dangerous Syndrome was as a villain, and that would he would take out even innocent friends of any super who got in his way. Bird also said, although he had his doubts about cutting Snug out of the movie, in the end, he said it was for the best because it made the same more intense with Helen, having to control both the plane and protecting the kids, and the audience won’t have enough time to develop more sympathy for Snug. He was told by Pixar, “If you’re going to kill off a character midway through a movie, you can’t just introduce them in the scene before. The audience won’t feel too much.”
@@zyloproductions4870 I actually prefer it the way it is. Not only do I agree with not killing off a character right after introducing them, but I also love how it shows us that Helen isn't just a caring mother. When push comes to shove, she's a brilliant quick thinker and has much more in her skillset than her stretching powers.
Me too, the voice acting and airplane jargon from Helen . The action, plus the perfect music in the background ties it all together, this scene was expertly made , one of the best if not the best in the entire movie , a perfect 10/10 for me .
@@zyloproductions4870 very interesting, but i agree that this scene was just so intense the way that Helen juggled both tasks, it made me care more about her than I wouldve felt like Syndrome was a real douche. They already did a great job making him a douche, I think this was the right move putting more love into Helen
Fun Fact: When she says "Maday, mayday, India Gulf Niner Niner is buddy-spiked" she's saying she's under friendly fire as buddy-spiked is the Air Force equivalent of fratricide/friendly fire.
"buddy spike" means there's a friendly radar lock on yourself, it's more like your friend aiming at you and you telling them to cut that shit out. Given, the radar signature in the movie is probably coming from a ground radar as part of a SAM site, or from the missiles themselves (some Air to Air missiles like the AIM-120 have integrated radar to guide them when they get close enough to their target) it was a "friendly fire incident" from the start (said in quotes since although Elastigirl thought they were friendly, the missiles were from a hostile aggressor) Basically Buddy Spike is you saying "hey stop pointing that thing at me", only once shots have been fired or missiles launched does it become a friendly fire incident and akin to fratricide as you said before
As a Flight Instructor myself who has had to teach people to speak on the radio, both VFR and IFR, I was actually fairly impressed that the IFR radio calls were actually fairly decent. Though I will say her saying VFR on top right as she flies into a cloud(cloud clearance is still required with VFR on Top which is 1k over a cloud layer), saying “over”. Also some structural stuff as tower would not be giving you vectors to the inital, that would be approach/center’s job, even in a small island like this. “Blind guard” instead of guard, though that may help military speak. It’s also interesting that she goes into military phraseology. It actually adds a bit of hidden lore, probably some fighter pilot stuff in her past.
I had to pause the video when she said VFR on top for the exact same reason lmao I was like girl are we looking out the same windscreen?? Are we using the same VFR weather minimums???
This scene scared me as a kid because my mom had been a flight engineer in the AF before my siblings and I were born. While my twin and I were around Dash’s age, the US went back to war with the Middle East, and the AF tried calling my mom back to rank (she’d retired an officer), but she was uninterested as she’d settled/started her family. When my family watched this movie together, she loved the lingo, but was almost haunted by the ending of the scene. It going from a routine flight to sheer horror in a few seconds really affected her. Helen looking *incredibly* like her, did little to soothe my unease at my “badass” mom’s blatant fear she tried to hide.
I was just thinking today about how cool it is that in spite of their powers, Bob and Helen still used vehicles. Dope ass superhero/spy movie. Makes me wanna rewatch soon.
@@Stigums To be fair, they are both able to move superhumanely fast with those powers but not as fast as a vehicle of course In case i need to explain, mr incredible can both run super fast (almost outruns the omnidroid rolling downhill while fat) and jump extremely far, i would say his powers are more like super physicality in all aspects not only strength, super strength, speed, toughness, perception, hand eye coordination too (accuracy when throwing things is super human) elastigirl can slingshot herself
Holy crap, the emotion as we watch Bob hear his wife over the comms not only begging for her life but screaming that his entire family is also on the plane and in danger. That “NO!!!” that he shouts after he hears the children aboard made me cry last time I watched this movie.
I forgot how hard this scene hits. Actually has me in tears rn. The stress, the rising panic, the desperate attempts to reach the humanity of the person with the trigger… and the tragedy for Bob, who hears it all but can do nothing.
It was literally hard to not get chills watching this now. This scene hit me so hard when I was a kid. The lingo definitely had something to do with it, super interesting to hear that it was Helen's VA that insisted on having it that way.
I know everyone's talked about the little details here and there but the one detail I like is the fact that she falls unconscious after they manage to escape from the explosion, I mean a lot of times in movies and tv when someone who's not superman-like escapes an explosion they are just fully awake when really the sheer stress of knowing you'll be in an explosion (let alone knowing your children will be caught in it) would probably take you out And yeah the kids are fully awake because they were protected by their mom's body-shield
I remmeber seeing a storyboard showing an alternate scene where she had her friend onboard as a copilot, and he perished in the destruction. I'd imagine that would have made the movie even more hard hitting.
Yeah but in the end they decided against it because they would need to introduce him and make us feel a connection before killing him off. (for extra effect)
Definetly good for the animation, but in reality they should already be traveling above the speed of sound. Most SAM systems travel at speeds between Mach 1.5 to Mach 3 depending on the propellant.
Tbh the missiles in this scene aren’t accurate just meant to look cool, actual missiles have very low burn times and loft themselves on parabolic trajectories at long ranges to stay in thin air and conserve energy while coasting, a missile also doesn’t turn around and come back after it’s missed, but it makes for a tense scene. Real missiles are scary as fuck without a radar warning reciever though, go watch DCS videos to get an idea of what it might look like.
@@wick9427 In the 1950s/60s, sure, missiles didn't have nearly as good of maneuverability/tracking, but modern day air to air or surface to air missiles may surprise you with how many secondary maneuvers they can make.
@@zachcd390119 that’s mostly just high off-boresight missiles like the AIM9x at close range though, usually once a mid range radar guided missile passes it’s target it’s pretty much too late anyway since it doesn’t have enough energy left to recommit, turning around again would bleed off so much speed it can forget about ever closing the distance again.
Yes, that’s right, it is an Easter egg. Syndrome aka Buddy is (supposedly) buddy-spiking Helen’s aircraft, though the viewer knows that Syndrome is not a friendly. Buddy-spiking is when friendlies lock on to your aircraft with their missiles, and as far as Helen knows, tower is friendly.
Completely coincidental language as being "buddy spiked" is official military lingo for being locked on to, and potentially fired at, by friendly anti-aircraft missiles.
I think it did. Also, you labeled them as flare bursts, but the button says chaff. Chaff works on radar-based missiles, and flares are only for heat seekers.
This scene is probably my favorite in the movie. The fact that they used actual terminology for piloting, had accurate representation of G-force, and even had Hellen preforming maneuvers the avoid the missiles just makes this scene so much more real. The Incredibles really has no match when it comes to details like this.
@@connorsullivan5938 Child soldiers are legally considered soldiers, not children - as far as the enemy combatants are concerned at least. If Syndrome was the good guy here, it would be Helen who would be responsible for forcing him to attack Violet and Dashiel, not his fault for doing it.
A great addition to this scene on top of what everyone else has said is the fact that Syndrome says "a government plane is requesting permission to land here" in the dialogue before this. Helen is using military lingo for her transmissions, so of course Syndrome assumes it's a government plane, not a civilian aircraft, even though it's just Helen piloting it.
Goes to show just how much of a right bastard Syndrome was. He seemed like a cartoonish villain until this moment. This scene and the one immediately following the explosion shows how truly deranged he’s gotten.
One interesting fact I never took into account when I watched this movie as a kid: her powers of elasticity means her body can absorb a lot more shock than a normal person can. That was a huge explosion that could have certainly killed them; instead whatever impact the suit couldn’t get her body absorbed the rest, which only knocked her unconscious for a few seconds while her children were completely unaffected by it. This makes Edna’s decision to make Helen’s suit “virtually indestructible” so much more than a plot device. It means she truly took the time to understand every Super’s power and bring out the best of it in their super suit. A Super may (or may not) understand their physical limitations, but with these suits Edna can push those boundaries even further.
It is not just the fact that she’s desperate. It’s not just the fact that this is insanely well animated. It’s the fear. She’s terrified for her herself and her kids. Mirage is horrified that this is happening and Bob can only imagine what’s going on, scared he’s going to lose his family any second. Violet and Dash’s actors sell genuine screams of terror as they fall. As a child, I had no idea what she was saying; I didn’t even connect how dangerous the missiles were. I was still scared to bits because I gleaned it off of everyone else. I was able to recognize later that something that should not have happened almost happened. And the insane bit? Up until now, Helen thought she was going to get Bob because he had been unfaithful. Maybe she thought something else was going on, because his super suit gave off the signal, but it wasn’t until they sent FIVE missiles at her that she concluded this was bigger. And that her kids were aboard.
"Repeat" is a brevity code used to signal an artillery unit to, well, repeat its last fire mission. As the action starts Helen, along with almost every movie ever made, uses this code incorrectly to preface saying a message twice; the proper phrase is "say again." What's interesting is that she actually uses the correct protocol near the end of the scene, when she's under much more pressure. "There are children aboard; say again, there are children aboard!" I wonder if this is an intentional portrayal of old training kicking in as the pressure mounts, or if the writers simply thought those phrases were interchangeable.
The scene's realistic dialogue may be a vestige that there was originally a pilot, a friend of Helen's who was flying the plane. He can be heard over the phone when Helen calls for a jet. His original purpose was to be killed in this exchange so we know the villains here are serious, this is a serious movie where people can die. I don't remember the reason why they cut him.
@@adanalyst6925lol I'm pretty sure Pixar and Disney had a lot of characters that appear then don't appear again. Also, alot of characters are remembered even when they appear for few minutes by simply being badass which a pilot could have done here (Delay the plane's destruction as much as possible while the three souls on board plan a way get out)
My memory of the director's commentary is that John Lasseter saw the scenes and asked, "Wouldn't it be better if Helen herself was flying the plane?" Brad Bird initially said "No, someone has to pay the price; we have to establish threat and stakes" ...But then he thought about it, they tried it with Helen, and everyone including him felt it worked better so they changed it.
The cut pilot's name was Snug, by the way. He still appears in the final version of the film, but he was relegated to the person who lends Helen the jet that was used in this scene and can only be heard on the phone.
Fun fact: she's also using the "hey you, it's me" radio format. Using radios is wayyy less confusing when you identify the person you're calling first.
the incredibles (first movie) has to be one of the most serious animated disney/pixar films to ever been made in recent times. the way the film talks about life such as family, relationships, stress, shit even the fear of infidelity. it’s such a great film and one of my favorites til this day.
not to mention the ridiculous amount of death Modern Disney movies wouldn't hurt a fly, this one had armed guards shooting at women and children. Also all the dead supers, showing the skeleton of Gazerbeam, this movie was DARK.
Most of the early dialogue is pretty standard for even civilian pilots, but then you start adding in things like "Angels 10" and "Buddy spike" and it adds a new depth of character to that whole scene and to Helen as a whole. I can see this audio giving a few figure pilots flashbacks, it certainly gave me chills. Stroke 3 was definitely defending six there. IYKYK.
This is really about a smarts. Helen/Elastigirl knows missile impact is already intacted and a way she and her kids can survive this is that her suit is missile and explosion proof as she bundled all of them up upon impact, and through free fall, the suit is elastic like her name as it even transforms into a parachute. And this proves Elastigirl is really not just strong but very smart on any crossroad.
0:49 she says "Friendly, 20 miles south-southwest" - she's transmitting in the assumption someone's made a horrible mistake and they didn't mean to shoot at her. Then the next call is Mayday - she's given up trying to reason with the attacker and is hoping someone else can intervene / send rescue. "Abort Abort Abort" is I think just panic - she can't think what else to do Seriously this is one of the most emotionally impactful scenes for me in any film I've seen
I can't put into words how upset it makes me that modern Disney/Pixar no longer take risks or approach serious topics like this anymore. Watch Incredibles 2 and there is no scene in it that holds a candle to this one. Or the moment when Bob learns that the majority of his friends and allies from the Glory Days were systematically killed. Or when he threatens to crush Mirage like a toothpick after he thinks his family is dead. Even early in the movie when Helen and Bob are arguing after he comes home from knocking down the building engulfed in flames has more weight to it than anything in the sequel. They literally don't tell stories the way they used to and it sucks.
This movie went into way more detail than it needed to multiple times over for everything from insurance claims to military flight jargon and I love it for that.
One of the many reasons the Incredibles is still one of the best superhero movies of all time. The superpowers are secondary to their actual skills as heroes.
The consultant they used is definitely ex military. A commercial pilot probably wouldn't know the "angels" designation nor the term "buddy spiked". Maybe the implication is Helen is retired Air Force or trained with them.
That is the implication. She has elasticity powers so she would be great for testing aircraft. And then it comes full circle in this scene. Showing that she is an experienced and competent Super, despite her wish to only be a family woman.
I actually kind of love how she gets everything right under pressure but slowly starts to mess up as the missles get closer it makes it feel more desperate like shes so scared that even though shes said everything perfectly up to this point shes too worried to actually focus anymore
took me until now to notice Mirage's lips were quivering. like i knew she was horrified being told there were "children aboard" but now that just takes it up a level
As a CAP radio operator, I commend Helen and the VA for actually taking the time to learn about proper radio communications/protocols. And using “over” and “out” properly and not using “over and out” I’ve seen some shows/games (I’m looking at you Halo and your confusing logic for pro-word usages) where it’s only “over and out” and never spaced out using those two pro-words correctly. I honestly didn’t need the translation (with the exception of the military terminology) to understand what Helen is trying to convey. And have to commend Helen’s VA to her dedication to learning the FAA Phonetic Alphabet.
Due to the suit she survived but she didn’t anticipate that the explosion would knock her out completely temporarily. I always thought by nature supers had high durability when it comes to their bodies. Considering that explosion would have wiped her head clean off. But it’s a kids movie so
As a kid, I learnt her lines in this scene off by heart, and randomly quoted them to my parents … didn’t really understand what any of it meant, but I thought it sounded cool 😅 But seriously, Holly Hunter’s acting is amazing!
@@LeBonkJordan India Golf Niner Niner, this is rescue chopper Romeo Papa Niner Four. We are inbound, ready for SAR. Track northeast of your last known, Angels 5
I watched this movie as a kid and I distinctly remember this scene. This is the 1st time I have re-watched it after becoming a pilot (about 15 years later) and I am blown away at the realism and military radio comms! Must have had a military aviator help out big time for this! They definitely do NOT put this much effort into movies and TV shows anymore and it really shows. I wish they did this still.
Incredibles 1 was an intense gem of a movie, I love the second movie personally, but the OG, this scene always gave me chills man, among others, LIKE THE FUCKIN SCENE WHEN THEY CAPTURE BOB BRO
The movie is set in retro futuristic version of 60s. I was really confused when I saw this movie as kid I couldn't understand if it's set in the past or the present
I'm just impressed that they paid enough attention to not only have her flare and go defensive, she actually did it correctly by hitting the deck so the missiles had to use more energy to maneuver in the thicker atmosphere. Elastigirl definitely knows how to fly a fighter.
would be dope to have some short stories where it goes over their former lives, specially her flight time
@@Vaioplayer88 It was in some of the deleted scenes with Snug, the second disc of the DVD set had a few animatics
@@nerdwiththehatThey decided to just show and not tell. She's very obviously a pro, no real reason to explain explicitly how/why. It is so much better of an introduction to "oh, she's got serious skills"
I know it's for fun, but if she would have tried to hit a notch on the missiles it would already be a better movie than top-gun lmao.
@@testchannelplsignore8509 They're gonna walk the audience through executing an F Pole in Incredibles 3 lol
I’ve always loved Mirage’s reaction to learning kids were on the plane
It's my favorite bit of this scene. Her last ditch effort to share that detail, the helpless reaction to it from Mirage and Mr. I tie it all together
@@PanderingSlats I appreciate it from a storytelling perspective because it’s a great way to drive a wedge between Buddy/Mirage, but the main thing for me is that she was only an antagonist up to this point, so her being horrified too really drives his reaction home
One of the best cutaways in the middle of an action scene
And the fact that until the kids were found on the island, as far as she knew, they had just murdered children for Syndrome's ego
How does everyone know this chicks name? Was it ever even stated in the movie?
I like how the fact that she’s using military terminology is also a subtle explanation as to why she’s so good at evasive maneuvers, it’s not just “she’s a superhero, of course she’s good at escaping and stuff”.
its implied helen has some sort of military trained background. shortly later in the film syndrome even asks why a government plane was requesting permission to land.
Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl were practically elite level, A-List superheroes in their universe; the same way you have real life "GOATs" like Tom Brady, Michael Jordan, Elvis Presley, Tom Hanks, Leonardo Dicaprio, Eminem, Superman, Ironman; you know what I mean? The well known names that make you say "Oh, they're in everyone's top 5 list for sure", that was basically Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl in their world.
The part that I love is that the movie actually shows you how an ex "A-List" professional hero actually operates in the field. For one thing, we get to see Elastigirl's military training on display here, but when she's actually infiltrating the island there's this moment where she readies herself to grab onto a passing monorail car by whispering "okay, okay", and suddenly she springs into action and she's no longer some middle-aged mother of two; she's locked in and back in "government agent" mode; and she looks like she knows exactly what she's doing cause this is all past experience for her. She even knows how to find Bob by looking for the room using the most energy levels, which normal people wouldn't really think about.
And then you have Bob, who runs around the island, knocks out a guard with a well thrown rock, finds Syndrome's password, discovers his plan, and hides behind the bones of another super (Syndrome is still geeking out about it!).
When they're both doing their "thing", you can see why they were one of the two best professionals in their line of work. Even after years of retirement and parenthood, they can immediately lock back in and go full "operative" mode when they really need to.
@@MasterOfTruck Funny thing is, it makes complete sense that Helen would have worked in the air force. An elastic body like hers would be virtually immune to the effects of G-Force, she would be the best damn test pilot in the world.
@@resileaf9501 good point, cool to think about
@@mynameisnotrick2768 and built in parachute
The terror in Bob's voice when he hears that "there are children aboard" Helen's plane is absolutely haunting. Bravo to the VAs, one of the best animated films honestly.
Think this will always be my favorite Pixar movie. Not just because it’s a family of super heroes but that it has so many layers to it leaving more for you to find with each viewing and it takes things so seriously like this scene and Helen giving Violet and Dash her talk about how if they are found they will kill them if given a chance, that hero work is not fun and games, it is serious and can have deadly consequences. The movie does a very good job of toeing the line with fun and serious and doesn’t dumb itself down at all.
Fun fact: Holly Hunter (Helen's VA) insisted on learning aviation terminologies and jargon. It definitely elevated the scene because of the nuances that she was military.
I mean she was in the movie Always ... and she flew a plane in that (in the movie) ... I don't doubt she already knew a lot of that stuff.
@@Nimoot My headcanon is that Always is a) a documentary and b) the backstory for Elastigirl
Another fun fact: There's an alternate take of the scene where it wasn't Helen flying the plane, but the friend she called to get the plane, Snug. He... was going to be KIA by the explosion.
i thought her voice actor was carrie fisher
@@jinxxed1524 no, no, holly hunter voice-acted carrie fisher too ;)
Fun Fact: The callsign "India Golf niner niner" ,IG99, is actually a reference to one of Brad Bird's (the director of The Incredibles) earliest movies, The Iron Giant. Which came out in 1999. IG99.
I would not gone my entire life without noticing that. that's really cool.
That’s so fun! I had no idea! Thank you for enlightening me
IG99, the more successful and tragic cousin of IG-88.
Another awesome movie too. Thanks for the fun fact.
All this time I thought it was Incredi-Girl
This was the tipping point of the movie for me. A lot of people say the darkest part of the movie is when Mr. Incredible scrolls through the datafiles and it's showing all the dead Supers, but in my opinion, _this_ is the point of no return for Syndrome. The Supers were, well, Supers; adults capable of defending themselves and in a chosen profession where danger and the loss of life was a very real possibility. The circumstances of their deaths were awful, yes, but at the end of the day being a Super was their choice.
But this? This was a man being forced to listen to his wife and children die. There is nothing more evil than that. The datafiles scene showed how far Syndrome had gone. This scene showed how much farther he was willing to go.
This was the point in the movie when I thought to myself "I know this is a children's movie. But Syndrome needs to die."
Rather fitting I think that a combination of his egoism (the cape, fanfare of heroics) and a jet are his demise
@@_slickerzentertainment6397 Just what I was thinking, that jet avenged its fallen fellow jet
Also keep in mind Bob didn't know that Jack Jack wasn't on the plane so as far as he knew he thought Helen and All three of kids were on the plane when he thought that they were killed nor did he know that Edna had made matching suits for Helen and the kids and that Helen's suit was virtually indestructible so when the missiles had hit the plane he had no reason to believe that his wife and kids had survived the attack
It's what made him go from a "Supervillain", to an outright Terrorist.
@@Cr4z3d nah terrorists have a somewhat understandable reason to their radicalization. war criminals do it cos it makes them feel good. Syndrome is a war criminal
One of the best animated scenes, period. What's interesting is that she correctly says "abort" three times at the end, which means the writers probably intentionally made her mess up the abort and Mayday signals earlier to convey her stress and desperation. And I really like that detail
I could watch this scene a million times and it still feels fresh and gives me chills everytime.
What does only two “abort”s mean?
What about only two “mayday”s?
@@armydillo1013
Fairly certain only saying it two times doesn’t mean anything specific, but saying a command three times typically means it’s an emergency, and the action has to be done now.
@@armydillo1013 So, the reason why it has to be said three times is for safety reasons. In an emergency situation...
1) the first time you say a command, listeners might be unsure whether or not you said anything (due to other noise, business, distractions)
2) the second time you say a command, listeners have heard it, but maybe haven't processed it/ may be worrying if they misheard it (again, see above)
3) the third time you say a command, the listeners have heard it, have processed it, and know they NEED to act on it.
That's why soldiers being unloaded from a vehicle are told to "GO, GO, GO!" or "MOVE, MOVE, MOVE!"
Stress and chaos can drown out even clear commands. It's why some warnings around explosives are repeated three times prior to detonation as well.
Saying the command three times ensures clarity and urgency are both understood.
@@armydillo1013 To show she was making mistakes due to stress and panic like the originator of this comment chain says.
It doesn't 'mean' anything, other than being incorrect phraseology due to panic.
Helen's use of radio protocol while flying is exceptionally accurate for a movie. In the director's commentary Brad Bird tells that Holly Hunter insisted on learning the lingo and its meaning. The terminology used hints that Elastigirl has had military flight training.
"VFR on top" means she is flying in the regime of Visual Flight Rules 'on top' of a cloud cover.
She requests "vectors to the initial", directions how to get to the initial landing approach.
"Angels 10" is her altitude call, ten thousand feet. This is a military term. Civilian flights use the term "flight level".
"Track east" is her direction of travel.
"Buddy spike(d)" is a U.S. military brevity code meaning "friendly anti-aircraft radar has locked on to me, (please don't shoot)".
"Transmitting in the Blind Guard" is a call on the emergency frequency where two-way communication has not been established.
"Abort" is also a military brevity code, a directive meaning "stop the action/mission/attack"
That would explain why syndrome asks why a government plane is requesting permission to land. He knows that a civilian airliner wouldn't be using that kind of terminology. Never thought about that!
Lol, you really copy and paste every words from the internet
@@UnknownUser17745And now I don’t have to look up the internet words thanks to this person!
What does the three “aborts”/“maydays” mean?
@@UnknownUser17745 yeah i saw someone posted it on a now deleted clip of this scene, so i looked it up and threw it on this video for others/myself
This scene is heart wrenching. The casual carefree initial contact, the confusion when they don’t respond, then the pure fear and panic as she tries to survive.
The fact she messes up a couple transmissions adds to that feeling of fear and panic. Being correct is probably not a priority. She’s more focused on her children.
Imagine the NTSB recovering the black boxes.
(Which probably didn’t exist in the modern sense or at all when this was set.)
All you hear is the plane stressing out during the maneuvers and the pilot desperately trying to keep everyone on board alive.
Can you imagine listening to this on the black box?
oh fucking christ. Didn’t she get the jet from a family friend?
"there's children aboard"
Man, that would give the chills
@@voltheigan8001Imagine then followed by *Massive explosion* after that, and then the tape stops, would be insanely haunting
@@robloxhood101 Considering how she was throwing the plane around, you'd be hearing that thing creaking and groaning as it's frame is pushed to the limits, and likely the two children in the back screaming as well. The haunting end is the cherry on top of that godawful pie
And think about how horrific it was for Bob to have to listen to his wife and his kid's final moments (as far as he knew) and especially when he heard Helen's voice be brutally cutoff after hearing her screaming for the missles to be called off and because Bob wasn't aware that Helen's suit was virtually indestructible he knew that Helen and the kids were gone and he wouldn't find out that they survived until the next morning Bob spent an entire night grieving for his family- no wonder he tried to kill Mirage a second time when she released him
As a kid I never realised just how evil this is. Syndrome _knowingly_ tried to murder two _children_ to satisfy his own ego. And as far as he is aware at the end of this scene, he has just murdered two children and he's completely fine with it. Truly one of the most wicked Pixar villains.
He even jokes about it using Mr. Incredible’s own words against him, too.
And to make it worse was that the only read why he shot down Helen's plane knowing that there were kids on board was to get back at Bob for rejecting him as a sidekick when he was a kid how evil and petty do have to be to kill a man's wife and kids (while Bob was forced to listen and was powerless to save his family) just because he told you no
I think even as a kid I realized how evil it was, I was just like "damn, this is a _Disney_ movie"
Ikr syndrome literally caused a supe genocide because of his ego and his goal
Calling Syndrome the most wicked villain ever is crazy considering Chick Hicks is the true contender
The part that gets me is that she’s a literal superhero and she’s faced with complete helplessness and desperation to save her children. It’s so well acted that, being a parent myself it makes me well up every single time.
Goes to show how great this movie is
And Bob due to being imprisoned was also helpless as well and had to listen to his family 'die'
Oh yeah this film hits different after you have kids. Now that I have a wife and kids, the despair and cold rage Mr. Incredible feels later totally makes sense
@@kllk12ful great point. Also very strongly acted.
@@TonyTylerDraws 100% man
One of the best parts of this scene is the fact that once she realizes the situation is screwed, she IMMEDIATELY dives to protect the kids
And after that she knows exactly what the situation is: "This was not an accident; they knowingly tried to kill my kids. Stay here, stay out of sight, I will destroy them all."
@@samwallaceart288 and it sparked a change in Mirage, causing her to defect and ultimately help them
That sacrificial love, she doesn't know if she's gonna survive, indestructible suit or not her head is exposed, and she does get knocked unconscious momentarily and probably thought she had died until she heard her kids screaming.
funny how if edna didnt take the extra step to make elastagirls suit indestructible they would have died. it really worked well!
wait 'til u hear about the "edna mode gave syndrome a cape" theory
@@LeBonkJordan BROO HOW DO I NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS?????
She really is the best Suit designer of all time
If she didn't give Mr. Incredible a locator in his suit his family wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.
Or Edna wanted to give his wife a locator because Edna knew Bob was hiding something from Helen when making his suit.
It's this kind of scene that makes this movie so much more adult than the sequel. The desperation, the tension, the helplessness, the loss... It's very difficult to replicate those feelings unless you pull a similar stunt like this but by then, it'll just seem tacky and repetitive.
2nd one should have been about Dash and Violet as grown-ups.
Dash and Jack are superheroes full-time having fun and getting into trouble, while Vi is on more official desk-type work, maybe a super-related lawyer. Could have her and Dash bicker over some lawsuit he's in and how that reflects badly on the supers their parents worked so hard to bring back.
And then Bob gets killed, and Violet murders the people responsible with extreme prejudice.
Kids grow up. The sequel could've been dark as hell.
The last part would be unnecessary
It is so so so difficult to make a sequel as good as the first. I’m glad with what they did for the sequel.
@@samwallaceart288 dear God I would pay to watch that…
That last desperate plea, “ THERE ARE CHILDREN ABOARD. SAY AGAIN, THERE ARE *CHILDREN ABOARD THIS PLANE.* “
Then followed with that one chick showing genuine fear and concern for the concept of killing kids aboard a plane just to make a point, and Mr. Incredible understanding that if this is his wife and there are kids aboard then she probably has their kids with her...
@@UrBoiEthanMikl put some respect on mirage's name
Bob's cry when he hears that is gutting. Craig T Nelson nailed that delivery.
@@hannahjo3252 women don't have names lmao
@@UrBoiEthanMikl makes sense that none of them have ever told you theirs
one of the few movies that actually got "say again" verbiage correct. "Repeat" is reserved exclusively for fire command
She does say "repeat" the first few times...
@@softy8088but that could’ve been panic setting in and Helen not able to correct herself. But say again was used, and used properly.
@@softy8088true, and if you are repeating something, you are meant to say “I say again”, but in the heat of the moment it can be explained that Helen was in a high stress situation
She was in a live fire situation, she could have mentally associated the term with the fact that she was being shot at in the heat of the moment.
What do you mean fire command?
When is “I repeat” used for?
"India golf niner niner is buddy spiked"
Syndrome: "MY NAME IS NOT BUDDY! Sorry, that was, uh, reflex."
does she say buddy spiked or spy? i think its buddy spy.
@@randomcourier « spiked » is slang used to refer to being targeted by radar guided weaponry. So being « buddy spiked » is being incorrectly identified as a target by radar-guided weaponry when your actually a friendly vehicle.
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I'm not your buddy guy
The fact that Syndrome’s technology was so advanced that his missiles were able to completely ignore the plane’s flares and still strike their intended target
We have missiles with anti counter countermeasure systems in place
@@furrytimelord they arent as effective like that
@@Nicolas-zw5ex damn near lol like the aim 9M
@@furrytimelorddeploying flares in the manner she did with the missiles in the positions they are in usually works. And in this movie, it works. The missiles that end up hitting the plane are not the ones we see initially.
@furrytimelord yea but this movie takes place in the 70s or 60s think
Man it's insane how well done this is on a writing level. Even the errors make sense--she's speaking quickly and more interested in conveying important info than repeating the warning "properly." Really incredible.
I like how she only said abort and mayday twice in that sequence. She's freaking out, no incoming comms to acknowledge her, no communication whatsoever, she's got her kids with her, she's in the middle of nowhere with no backup. With her military training, this is possibly the worst scenario for her, hence her not giving out proper commands towards the end. She gives those two proper rounds of abort, with a weakened voice, frantic but accepting what's about to happen, before diving for her kids. Completely forgetting about the supersuit, just instinctively showing herself on top of her kids thinking, "This is it." This is nightmare fuel for parents.
Side note... I think Edna knew something was wrong from the get go, thats why she put that tracer on Bob, why she had those near indestructible suits for the Incredibles. Why she probably made syndromes cape..
Some people: "Oh no there's errors in her radio protocol!"
Me: "So? Pilots fuck them up all the time...now add the stress of being shot at."
With her _children_ on board no less.
@@Chrinik As far as I know, the only mistake Helen even made was saying "Mayday" two times instead of three.
@@jamiecinder9412 Arguably, even that's not wrong. It's convention to repeat Mayday three times, but convention like that goes out the window in an emergency - the priority is to get all necessary information across, and saying Mayday two times to enable that isn't a just "not a mistake", it's what you're taught to do.
It could be different for civilian airliners, but when I was in the Navy we were told to get across the following, in this order (disclaimer: I was not a pilot, but as a radio operator on an aircraft carrier we received the same instruction in emergency protocols).
- At least one mayday to identify this is an emergency call
- Callsign and type of craft you're in
- Pilot's intentions
- Position and heading (preferably current, but last known position and heading if you don't know)
- Altitude and FL
- How much fuel you have (if plane will remain airborne long enough for it to matter, err on the side of it will if you don't know)
Anything beyond that is entirely up to the radio operator to decide if they have time.
@@jamiecinder9412 oh no!!!! i'm literally shaking and crying because of this information!!!
@@bungiecrimes7247 I think Jamie was defending her
I always found it so cool how Helen made the split second decision to potentially sacrifice her life at 1:17 to save Dash and Violet from the missile strike. Of course, she survived the explosion without a scratch, but there's no way she knew for sure that she would.
For sure, no, but she did see Edna Mode proudly demonstrate her new suit's virtual indestructibility by shooting two missiles at it
oh she absolutely thought that she was going to die, when we see her fall into the ocean she has her eyes closed
its as if she thought that she was already dead and it wasn't until she heard her kids screaming that she realized she was still alive, its details like this that really make me appreciate this movie more!
Edna already told her her suit was indestructible, that plus her elasticity combined is the whole reason that she and the kids survived a direct missile strike hitting her simultaneously.
@@adale2771 But my point was, in a moment like that, the last thing on a mother's mind is her own safety. Her instinct was to save her kids at any cost. Plus, that's one heck of a way to field test Edna's new super suit, lol.
She created a ballon around her children and her suit made by Edna is already said to be indestructible against bullets and explosive which is why she survived
If anyone is curious, the plane she is flying is what appears to be an amalgamation of either 2 or 3 different Private Jets. I believe it is based off either a Dassault Falcon 20, a Dassault Falcon 50 Suzunna, and a Learjet Model 35.
Though interestingly the designers for the movie decided to get creative and gave it a single internally mounted engine. Sort of like a fighter jet given how it also has dual air intakes.
If anyone has a better idea of what this plane is based off, I'd like to know!
Perhaps a passenger version of an F-104 Starfighter lol
I definitely agree with the Dassault 50, since it was the first supersonic private jet (and is what Helen asked for- something fast), and matches the rough time period of the movie's setting ('60s, right?)
@@dominicporter5100 Dassault 50 was not supersonic.
@@bbgun061 Whoops, that one's on me, I misremembered info. It was a proposal. Again, my bad.
@@Ted_II That would fit the sense we get that this is the 60's or 70's from the architecture, cars, etc.
That last desperate act to save her kids still gives me chills, she probably wasn't sure if Eda's suit would actually protect her from the explosion but without hesitation still protected her kids for their chance at survival.
she did know... Edna gave her a demonstration of the suits and everything they could do
@@madmannn9576 Shit I completely forgot about that sorry that's my mistake
@@madmannn9576 I mean, she was aware that the suit could take a missile strike, but as I said in my own comment thread, this wasn't a calculated decision. This was purely mother's instinct.
Chaff and flares are two different things. Flares burn hot to confuse a missile's heat-seeking equipment, while chaff bursts into a metallic cloud to add false targets to a missile's radar.
Both works fine in the Modern Day
Both are used in Jet Fighters
Honestly it could be both depending on how hot the chaff gets
@@dulguunjargal1199They’re still two different things and she fired only flare.
It would be chaff since the missiles are radar guided, but flares are visually more interesting and recognized by the public.
@@Mr371312 I feel like chaff is also harder to animate.
@@Mr371312 Also because the button she pressed is labeled 'chaff.'
When she rips the headset off, I literally got chills. I thought they were dead as a child
It was a clear signal that she knew that she was out of luck and completely helpless to stop her plane from getting shot down.
literally everything about this scene is perfection. The music, the voice acting, the research behind the terminology, the emotional turmoil, the cinematography, every shot, every angle. could not make it any better than this.
Except the continuity error where Mrs. Incredible suddenly changes from civilian clothes into her supersuit. But that's nitpicking that I never noticed until today. This scene has left a very positive indelible mark on my childhood.
@@samheard7849There was a scene cut from this clip where she had her suit in a bag next to her. When she didnt receive any response from the towers she put the plane on autopilot and changed just in case, came back after finding the kids and then chaos ensued
@@samheard7849not an error, she actually comes out of the bathroom in the movie, it’s cut here in this video
@@samheard7849 Have you never watched the movie ?
girl wtf@@samheard7849
One small thing missed: when she mentions “transmitting in the blind” if I’m not mistaken she says “Guard”, as in she’s transmitting on 121.5 because even if she got the wrong frequency for the tower they should be monitoring the emergency frequency
Good catch! And since she did declare a Mayday, she probably was transmitting on the official emergency frequency.
Meow!
Everyone's impressed by Helen's use of actual pilot lingo here.
I'm much more impressed by the way she literally avoids getting hit by missiles SEVERAL TIMES
I kinda like scenes where the hero shows tremendous skill... And still loses.
End of evangelion is another great one. The pilot of the cyborg mech pulls of the craziest stuff we've seen in the entire franchise, is at her absolute apex... and still ultimately loses. Because her enemies basically had in universe hacks.
Sometimes it doesn't matter how good you are. Sometimes fate just has other plans.
This scene gives me chills EVERY time it's so well made
The original version would’ve been much more horrific! Why? Because the pilot that Helen (Aka Elastigirl) borrowed the plane from (in the finalized cut) is actually featured in the original storyboard first draft. His name is Snug Porter, and he was Helen’s old pilot back in the glory days of superheroes. Remember not all superhero have the power to fly. He was a pilot assigned to help transport “Supers” who couldn’t fly, including Elastigirl. He is also one of her best friends. The original cut would’ve been worse because it would’ve been him who was flying the plane instead of Helen. In that cut of the “Missile Lock” scene, everything would play out as it did in the movie when Syndrome attacks the plane with Locked Missiles, but instead Snug would be struggling to avoid the missiles, while Helen protected Dash and Violet in the back. Eventually, like in the Final Cut, the missiles would eventually hit the aircraft. But instead of all of them surviving like in the movie, in the Original cut, Helen only had enough time to save the kids, while Snug was *KILLED* in the explosion. Dark, huh? Not to mention he was a really funny and sweet side character in the original cut. At least he’s alive in the finalized cut (though he’s only mentioned offscreen). Brad Bird said that he wanted the original scene to show how dangerous Syndrome was as a villain, and that would he would take out even innocent friends of any super who got in his way. Bird also said, although he had his doubts about cutting Snug out of the movie, in the end, he said it was for the best because it made the same more intense with Helen, having to control both the plane and protecting the kids, and the audience won’t have enough time to develop more sympathy for Snug. He was told by Pixar, “If you’re going to kill off a character midway through a movie, you can’t just introduce them in the scene before. The audience won’t feel too much.”
I found someone like me, every single time me too, is like a written thing in my head
@@zyloproductions4870 I actually prefer it the way it is. Not only do I agree with not killing off a character right after introducing them, but I also love how it shows us that Helen isn't just a caring mother. When push comes to shove, she's a brilliant quick thinker and has much more in her skillset than her stretching powers.
Me too, the voice acting and airplane jargon from Helen . The action, plus the perfect music in the background ties it all together, this scene was expertly made , one of the best if not the best in the entire movie , a perfect 10/10 for me .
@@zyloproductions4870 very interesting, but i agree that this scene was just so intense the way that Helen juggled both tasks, it made me care more about her than I wouldve felt like Syndrome was a real douche. They already did a great job making him a douche, I think this was the right move putting more love into Helen
Fun Fact: When she says "Maday, mayday, India Gulf Niner Niner is buddy-spiked" she's saying she's under friendly fire as buddy-spiked is the Air Force equivalent of fratricide/friendly fire.
"buddy spike" means there's a friendly radar lock on yourself, it's more like your friend aiming at you and you telling them to cut that shit out. Given, the radar signature in the movie is probably coming from a ground radar as part of a SAM site, or from the missiles themselves (some Air to Air missiles like the AIM-120 have integrated radar to guide them when they get close enough to their target) it was a "friendly fire incident" from the start (said in quotes since although Elastigirl thought they were friendly, the missiles were from a hostile aggressor)
Basically Buddy Spike is you saying "hey stop pointing that thing at me", only once shots have been fired or missiles launched does it become a friendly fire incident and akin to fratricide as you said before
As a Flight Instructor myself who has had to teach people
to speak on the radio, both VFR and IFR, I was actually fairly impressed that the IFR radio calls were actually fairly decent.
Though I will say her saying VFR on top right as she flies into a cloud(cloud clearance is still required with VFR on Top which is 1k over a cloud layer), saying “over”. Also some structural stuff as tower would not be giving you vectors to the inital, that would be approach/center’s job, even in a small island like this. “Blind guard” instead of guard, though that may help military speak.
It’s also interesting that she goes into military phraseology. It actually adds a bit of hidden lore, probably some fighter pilot stuff in her past.
She does talk to an old friend of hers over the phone, the one that gave her the plane.
I had to pause the video when she said VFR on top for the exact same reason lmao I was like girl are we looking out the same windscreen?? Are we using the same VFR weather minimums???
God, seeing this scene again as an adult instead of a kid makes it absolutely terrifying, this movie was actually really intense and well-acted
This scene scared me as a kid because my mom had been a flight engineer in the AF before my siblings and I were born. While my twin and I were around Dash’s age, the US went back to war with the Middle East, and the AF tried calling my mom back to rank (she’d retired an officer), but she was uninterested as she’d settled/started her family. When my family watched this movie together, she loved the lingo, but was almost haunted by the ending of the scene. It going from a routine flight to sheer horror in a few seconds really affected her. Helen looking *incredibly* like her, did little to soothe my unease at my “badass” mom’s blatant fear she tried to hide.
That is such a "cool" detail that I'm sure added a lot of depth into how you saw the movie!
I was just thinking today about how cool it is that in spite of their powers, Bob and Helen still used vehicles.
Dope ass superhero/spy movie.
Makes me wanna rewatch soon.
I mean what the hell if superstrength or stretch powers supposed to do when you need to go very far very fast
I mean, humans are experts at long distance running, yet we still use gas or electric powered vehicle to move around. It's all about the conveniences
@@Stigums To be fair, they are both able to move superhumanely fast with those powers but not as fast as a vehicle of course
In case i need to explain, mr incredible can both run super fast (almost outruns the omnidroid rolling downhill while fat) and jump extremely far, i would say his powers are more like super physicality in all aspects not only strength, super strength, speed, toughness, perception, hand eye coordination too (accuracy when throwing things is super human)
elastigirl can slingshot herself
@@Stigumsbig slingshot
Holy crap, the emotion as we watch Bob hear his wife over the comms not only begging for her life but screaming that his entire family is also on the plane and in danger. That “NO!!!” that he shouts after he hears the children aboard made me cry last time I watched this movie.
I forgot how hard this scene hits. Actually has me in tears rn. The stress, the rising panic, the desperate attempts to reach the humanity of the person with the trigger… and the tragedy for Bob, who hears it all but can do nothing.
It was literally hard to not get chills watching this now. This scene hit me so hard when I was a kid. The lingo definitely had something to do with it, super interesting to hear that it was Helen's VA that insisted on having it that way.
I know everyone's talked about the little details here and there but the one detail I like is the fact that she falls unconscious after they manage to escape from the explosion, I mean a lot of times in movies and tv when someone who's not superman-like escapes an explosion they are just fully awake when really the sheer stress of knowing you'll be in an explosion (let alone knowing your children will be caught in it) would probably take you out
And yeah the kids are fully awake because they were protected by their mom's body-shield
0:27 that distorted ass boom sound made me think that I was about to witness the hardest fucking edit ever.
😭😭
right i was expecting a transition 😭🙏
Your brain is internet poisoned (mine is too 😭)
Those MLG memes from the mid 2010s messed me up way too much 😭💀
brainrot 😂
I mean the errors in the protocol could easily be attributed to the fact that she was being shot at, and she was so stressed that she messed up
I remmeber seeing a storyboard showing an alternate scene where she had her friend onboard as a copilot, and he perished in the destruction. I'd imagine that would have made the movie even more hard hitting.
Yeah but in the end they decided against it because they would need to introduce him and make us feel a connection before killing him off. (for extra effect)
oh yeah i have the dvd for the movie and the one other cd for extra stuff the extra shows like cut storyboard and info on other supers
Mirage’s face when she hears there are children on board the plane, always gets me. To hell with Syndrome.
there was no redeeming buddy after this one
He murdered dozens of Supers, he was already waaaay beyond redemption...
@@cometnight0 Yeah exactly.
My name's NOT BUDDY!!!!
@@dr._pie3745 okay buddy 👍
his evilness spiked
One of my favorite scenes because it shows wicked intelligence and self sacrifice immediately from their mom and it flies over so many peoples heads
The first Incredibles movie really knew how to provide that emotion of danger and desperation in a kid friendly way
Another nice little detail is the missiles going supersonic with the plane as they dive at 0:27.
Definetly good for the animation, but in reality they should already be traveling above the speed of sound. Most SAM systems travel at speeds between Mach 1.5 to Mach 3 depending on the propellant.
Tbh the missiles in this scene aren’t accurate just meant to look cool, actual missiles have very low burn times and loft themselves on parabolic trajectories at long ranges to stay in thin air and conserve energy while coasting, a missile also doesn’t turn around and come back after it’s missed, but it makes for a tense scene.
Real missiles are scary as fuck without a radar warning reciever though, go watch DCS videos to get an idea of what it might look like.
Honestly? I blame the super evil genius making them for their shenanigans.
@@wick9427 In the 1950s/60s, sure, missiles didn't have nearly as good of maneuverability/tracking, but modern day air to air or surface to air missiles may surprise you with how many secondary maneuvers they can make.
@@zachcd390119 that’s mostly just high off-boresight missiles like the AIM9x at close range though, usually once a mid range radar guided missile passes it’s target it’s pretty much too late anyway since it doesn’t have enough energy left to recommit, turning around again would bleed off so much speed it can forget about ever closing the distance again.
This is so satisfying for pilots
"India golf niner niner is BUDDY spiked"
I see what you did there Brad
Yes, that’s right, it is an Easter egg. Syndrome aka Buddy is (supposedly) buddy-spiking Helen’s aircraft, though the viewer knows that Syndrome is not a friendly. Buddy-spiking is when friendlies lock on to your aircraft with their missiles, and as far as Helen knows, tower is friendly.
Completely coincidental language as being "buddy spiked" is official military lingo for being locked on to, and potentially fired at, by friendly anti-aircraft missiles.
Violet's screams at the end are haunting
0:16 beeping = radar lock warning (missile warning)
the Incredibles are probably the only superhero movie series that i don’t find corny
And that's saying something.
FRRR
Pixar was really the major one. This scene is amazing. The brazillian portuguese voice actress is an ace, i really recommend anyone watch it.
I've been meaning to find a good multiple-audio-track DVDrip of this for a while now
Do you have a link? Id love to hear it
Brazilian Mrs Parr might end me
@@Jamie_L. ruclips.net/video/32E_ZkhfWHs/видео.htmlfeature=shared
0:27 That bass tho
*ftlfltfltfltlflOOOoooohhh*
holy fuck did this just get picked up by the algorithm or some shit
no it’s been here for a while as far back as 3 years
Yup
I think it did. Also, you labeled them as flare bursts, but the button says chaff. Chaff works on radar-based missiles, and flares are only for heat seekers.
Definitely, I just got it right now
Yes
This scene is probably my favorite in the movie. The fact that they used actual terminology for piloting, had accurate representation of G-force, and even had Hellen preforming maneuvers the avoid the missiles just makes this scene so much more real. The Incredibles really has no match when it comes to details like this.
What g force rep?
This part always scared me as a kid and really solidified Syndrome as a TRUE Villan. Ya dont kill kids man, ya just don't!
eh, unless it's D&D, sometimes it just happens.
Tell that to the IDF
@@connorsullivan5938 *Hamas
@@connorsullivan5938 Child soldiers are legally considered soldiers, not children - as far as the enemy combatants are concerned at least.
If Syndrome was the good guy here, it would be Helen who would be responsible for forcing him to attack Violet and Dashiel, not his fault for doing it.
@@KopperNeoman HAH! "Well legally..." is the statement of someone who knows they are morally wrong but want the same outcome
A great addition to this scene on top of what everyone else has said is the fact that Syndrome says "a government plane is requesting permission to land here" in the dialogue before this. Helen is using military lingo for her transmissions, so of course Syndrome assumes it's a government plane, not a civilian aircraft, even though it's just Helen piloting it.
1:27 It’s at this point that we realize what it must’ve felt like for those who survived the initial breakup of PA103 over Lockerbie.
i never thought of that…
Man that would be horrible
Goes to show just how much of a right bastard Syndrome was. He seemed like a cartoonish villain until this moment. This scene and the one immediately following the explosion shows how truly deranged he’s gotten.
India Golf Niner Niner is also a reference to Brad Bird’s earlier film The Iron Giant
One interesting fact I never took into account when I watched this movie as a kid: her powers of elasticity means her body can absorb a lot more shock than a normal person can.
That was a huge explosion that could have certainly killed them; instead whatever impact the suit couldn’t get her body absorbed the rest, which only knocked her unconscious for a few seconds while her children were completely unaffected by it.
This makes Edna’s decision to make Helen’s suit “virtually indestructible” so much more than a plot device. It means she truly took the time to understand every Super’s power and bring out the best of it in their super suit. A Super may (or may not) understand their physical limitations, but with these suits Edna can push those boundaries even further.
It is not just the fact that she’s desperate. It’s not just the fact that this is insanely well animated. It’s the fear. She’s terrified for her herself and her kids. Mirage is horrified that this is happening and Bob can only imagine what’s going on, scared he’s going to lose his family any second. Violet and Dash’s actors sell genuine screams of terror as they fall. As a child, I had no idea what she was saying; I didn’t even connect how dangerous the missiles were. I was still scared to bits because I gleaned it off of everyone else. I was able to recognize later that something that should not have happened almost happened.
And the insane bit? Up until now, Helen thought she was going to get Bob because he had been unfaithful. Maybe she thought something else was going on, because his super suit gave off the signal, but it wasn’t until they sent FIVE missiles at her that she concluded this was bigger. And that her kids were aboard.
"Repeat" is a brevity code used to signal an artillery unit to, well, repeat its last fire mission. As the action starts Helen, along with almost every movie ever made, uses this code incorrectly to preface saying a message twice; the proper phrase is "say again." What's interesting is that she actually uses the correct protocol near the end of the scene, when she's under much more pressure. "There are children aboard; say again, there are children aboard!"
I wonder if this is an intentional portrayal of old training kicking in as the pressure mounts, or if the writers simply thought those phrases were interchangeable.
The scene's realistic dialogue may be a vestige that there was originally a pilot, a friend of Helen's who was flying the plane. He can be heard over the phone when Helen calls for a jet. His original purpose was to be killed in this exchange so we know the villains here are serious, this is a serious movie where people can die. I don't remember the reason why they cut him.
I think they decided it added unnecessary complication to have a character they introduced and then killed within 10 minutes. Iirc
@@adanalyst6925lol I'm pretty sure Pixar and Disney had a lot of characters that appear then don't appear again. Also, alot of characters are remembered even when they appear for few minutes by simply being badass which a pilot could have done here (Delay the plane's destruction as much as possible while the three souls on board plan a way get out)
My memory of the director's commentary is that John Lasseter saw the scenes and asked, "Wouldn't it be better if Helen herself was flying the plane?"
Brad Bird initially said "No, someone has to pay the price; we have to establish threat and stakes" ...But then he thought about it, they tried it with Helen, and everyone including him felt it worked better so they changed it.
The cut pilot's name was Snug, by the way. He still appears in the final version of the film, but he was relegated to the person who lends Helen the jet that was used in this scene and can only be heard on the phone.
I like how her competency as a pilot is blended seamlessly into her competency with her superpower, the real and the imagined
Also take a moment to appreciate the music of this scene, perfectly matching the stress and tension of the moment.
Man, I did NOT get how intense this scene is as a kid
Really giving me an anxiety spike now, though
Fun fact: she's also using the "hey you, it's me" radio format. Using radios is wayyy less confusing when you identify the person you're calling first.
the incredibles (first movie) has to be one of the most serious animated disney/pixar films to ever been made in recent times. the way the film talks about life such as family, relationships, stress, shit even the fear of infidelity. it’s such a great film and one of my favorites til this day.
i remember hearing brad bird mention that he refused to make this movie for families/children, he made it For Adults. it shows a loooooot
not to mention the ridiculous amount of death
Modern Disney movies wouldn't hurt a fly, this one had armed guards shooting at women and children.
Also all the dead supers, showing the skeleton of Gazerbeam, this movie was DARK.
Most of the early dialogue is pretty standard for even civilian pilots, but then you start adding in things like "Angels 10" and "Buddy spike" and it adds a new depth of character to that whole scene and to Helen as a whole. I can see this audio giving a few figure pilots flashbacks, it certainly gave me chills.
Stroke 3 was definitely defending six there. IYKYK.
This is really about a smarts. Helen/Elastigirl knows missile impact is already intacted and a way she and her kids can survive this is that her suit is missile and explosion proof as she bundled all of them up upon impact, and through free fall, the suit is elastic like her name as it even transforms into a parachute. And this proves Elastigirl is really not just strong but very smart on any crossroad.
Voice acting, facial animation, music
I felt the gut wrenching sorrow for a bunch of triangles on a scream
0:49 she says "Friendly, 20 miles south-southwest" - she's transmitting in the assumption someone's made a horrible mistake and they didn't mean to shoot at her.
Then the next call is Mayday - she's given up trying to reason with the attacker and is hoping someone else can intervene / send rescue.
"Abort Abort Abort" is I think just panic - she can't think what else to do
Seriously this is one of the most emotionally impactful scenes for me in any film I've seen
"Abort abort abort" is her desperately telling the attackers to STOP
I can't put into words how upset it makes me that modern Disney/Pixar no longer take risks or approach serious topics like this anymore. Watch Incredibles 2 and there is no scene in it that holds a candle to this one. Or the moment when Bob learns that the majority of his friends and allies from the Glory Days were systematically killed. Or when he threatens to crush Mirage like a toothpick after he thinks his family is dead. Even early in the movie when Helen and Bob are arguing after he comes home from knocking down the building engulfed in flames has more weight to it than anything in the sequel.
They literally don't tell stories the way they used to and it sucks.
The dont make these movies like they used to. This whole scene was so tense, now at 22 it still gives me that feelings
Dude right? I felt like they weren't gonna make it Even though ive probably seen the movie more then 100 times as a kid
As an av-geek who has learned about ATC since I was 12, I see this as an absolute win. Good Job Pixar 👍
I think I just remembered where my unrelenting fear of sinking to the bottom of the dark, oceanic abyss came from
This movie went into way more detail than it needed to multiple times over for everything from insurance claims to military flight jargon and I love it for that.
This movie was awesome when I was a kid. It's incredible as an adult.
You can say that again
“Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.”
Except not just friends, but her children.
One of the many reasons the Incredibles is still one of the best superhero movies of all time. The superpowers are secondary to their actual skills as heroes.
I was only 8 when I saw this movie. Looking back on it these radio transmissions give me the chills. Even though it’s an animated movie.
The consultant they used is definitely ex military. A commercial pilot probably wouldn't know the "angels" designation nor the term "buddy spiked".
Maybe the implication is Helen is retired Air Force or trained with them.
That is the implication. She has elasticity powers so she would be great for testing aircraft. And then it comes full circle in this scene. Showing that she is an experienced and competent Super, despite her wish to only be a family woman.
All pilots know angel means 1,000 feet 😂
I actually kind of love how she gets everything right under pressure but slowly starts to mess up as the missles get closer it makes it feel more desperate like shes so scared that even though shes said everything perfectly up to this point shes too worried to actually focus anymore
took me until now to notice Mirage's lips were quivering. like i knew she was horrified being told there were "children aboard" but now that just takes it up a level
As a CAP radio operator, I commend Helen and the VA for actually taking the time to learn about proper radio communications/protocols. And using “over” and “out” properly and not using “over and out” I’ve seen some shows/games (I’m looking at you Halo and your confusing logic for pro-word usages) where it’s only “over and out” and never spaced out using those two pro-words correctly. I honestly didn’t need the translation (with the exception of the military terminology) to understand what Helen is trying to convey. And have to commend Helen’s VA to her dedication to learning the FAA Phonetic Alphabet.
these call outs are really good Buddy spike: radar locked on friendly aircraft Angels 10: altitude at 10 thousand feet
It’s been at least a decade since I’ve seen this movie and I forgot how intense this scene is.
Very few things in this world are truly a masterpiece. This movie is one of them
It’s the movie, but it’s cut so the missiles come in fast and in multiple groups almost at once. Feels more realistic.
Due to the suit she survived but she didn’t anticipate that the explosion would knock her out completely temporarily. I always thought by nature supers had high durability when it comes to their bodies. Considering that explosion would have wiped her head clean off. But it’s a kids movie so
She has elasticity powers which makes a difference i think
As a kid, I learnt her lines in this scene off by heart, and randomly quoted them to my parents … didn’t really understand what any of it meant, but I thought it sounded cool 😅
But seriously, Holly Hunter’s acting is amazing!
Niner niner we need backup
We're sending a chopper!
Be advised, we have a downed airman and need SAR
Yall better get in this bitch. We boutta goooOOoo xD
Iron giant
@@LeBonkJordan India Golf Niner Niner, this is rescue chopper Romeo Papa Niner Four. We are inbound, ready for SAR. Track northeast of your last known, Angels 5
y'all better get on this bitch hh
we bout 2 go!!!
I watched this movie as a kid and I distinctly remember this scene. This is the 1st time I have re-watched it after becoming a pilot (about 15 years later) and I am blown away at the realism and military radio comms! Must have had a military aviator help out big time for this! They definitely do NOT put this much effort into movies and TV shows anymore and it really shows. I wish they did this still.
Superb writing, attention to detail, satisfying action scenes. Golden era Pixar.
Incredibles 1 was an intense gem of a movie, I love the second movie personally, but the OG, this scene always gave me chills man, among others, LIKE THE FUCKIN SCENE WHEN THEY CAPTURE BOB BRO
Slight critique, flares and chaff are actually different countermeasures. Chaff is used to spoof radar while flares are used to spoof IR guidance.
Fun fact: either Brad Bird or the voice of Helen did some research on what the plane communications were in the 1960s, where the movie takes place.
Is the plane communication still relevant in 2024. Is the lingo she’s using still used today??
The movie is set in retro futuristic version of 60s. I was really confused when I saw this movie as kid I couldn't understand if it's set in the past or the present
@@Sunshine_love542 It's all relevant yeah, pretty much all of this would still be used in appropriate scenarios.
Why are you saying fun fact if you aren't even sure of the details of the information?
@@squatchjosh1131 Unfortunately, that's how the internet comment section do be nowadays.