Authorized LR Workshop Fail - Major Oil Leak
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- We bought our 2015 Land Rover Discovery 4 SDV6 with an oil leak and a transmission problem. The transmission issue was fixed in a previous episode and this time we go after the 8HP70 transmission oil leak. Who could have predicted that this turns out to be a debacle. Hope you enjoy the video.
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It’s a shame that only a few people have the patience to properly work on a vehicle of this complexity. Good for those that do. Great video.🏴🏴
So true😀🙋♀️Vera
Well said Taffy
More's the shame that Land Rover, after building vehicles for so many years can't build something that doesn't leak oil. But leak, that's what they do it's compulsory.
@@gazzafloss but Land Rover built their reputation on vehicles leaking oil as they were driven out of the factory!
This is exaggeration. We've had Jap 4wds that leak eg rear mains and swivel hubs and our D4 SC is leak free since 2015.
I don’t have a LR but it’s too wonderful to watch Vera and Christian in action !
😊🙏🙋♀️Vera
I have a Toyota but I love watching a seriously good mechanic in action
I think it was the Gromit attached to the Floppertatter valve behind the giggling pin !! Great content as always guys. ❤
😅👍🙋♀️Vera
This is why a Land Rover (or any manufacturer) service history needs to be doubled checked. Great work as always - well done Christian and Vera.
I can see the people at Land Rover seeing your videos and thinking we should pay these people to not make videos about our cars as he must be putting lots of customers off buying our cars he is showing up our dealers who are not so good at fixing our cars I love you guy so entertaining and informative.
Fantastic video as always. I own a LR4 2013 and I am getting very nervous about the potential for things to go wrong. It is a ridiculously complex machine but you both seem to tackle any repair job with such a calm and confident manner I wish you lived around the corner from me in Australia. Keep up the great work.
If you treat it well it will treat you well in return. If one thing fails at a time it is not so difficult to fix. Christian
Yes I think this is why it's important to have channels like this and a good community to share knowledge with. Most people I find very friendly and willing to help.
@@Vera_and_Christian thanks Christian for taking the time to reply, yes I try my hardest and have it well maintained and it has not let me down to date despite some very tough road trip across the centre of Australia and up to Cape York towing. All of this towing our trusty Kimberley Karavan off road caravan. All the best derick
My guess is the lack of Toyota parts are causing it to leak. Great videos are always ❤️
😂 Yes, for sure. Christian
My guess is the bottom bolt penetrated into the transfer box casing so you took the bolt out and put some sealant on a shorter bolt. All caused by the bolts being a different length.
Some days you get the bear and some days the bear gets you!🙂
I greatly admire your skills here and that you have the humility to admit when you get stuff wrong. As someone not very mechanically inclined when young (or now), and motivated then by a low income not to get stuff done by garages, I had little choice but to do the simpler stuff myself. So many of my repairs on the wrecks I owned were done with an oily Haynes manual in one hand and a collection of things that might vaguely be described as tools in the other... Lots of swearing, skinned knuckles, ruined clothing and second or third attempts to get stuff working.
😂 Sounds like me 30 years back. Christian
Your son, Robin, is VERY helpful!
I have no idea what caused this oil leak, as I own a Toyota and do not have oil leak problems.
The medical specialist say, “ if you use your brain to its maximum capabilities, it’s unlikely you will suffer with dementia”.
I can positively say your going to be ok due to the usage of your brain.
However as a Toyota owner I have no need to push my brain capabilities on Toyota repairs, I’m more likely to suffer with that brain memory disease, what ever it was called.
Love you guys ❤.
LOL. Thanks for watching our video. Christian
So I've guessing you've got an older Toyota cause new ones are problematic..eg the D4D class action in Aus atm?
You and the wifey make a great team together!
In my opinion, that has to be the most valuable thing a couple can find in eachother! 😊
I'm guessing at either it's the porous box itself or the electrical plug O ring? Anyway, another great video from the both of you 👌. You really do have a lot of equipment now to make your repairs a lot easier! I really like Vera's OMG's still, what would a video be like without them 😁. Take care you two
Good answer 💪. Check the community comments. Christian
I admire your confidence Christian in tackling theses problems, great video, educational and entertaining.
Excellent video as usual. Of course LR4 is my favourite topic along with LR Time.
I found it easier to remove the exhaust and DPF complete rather than to try and disassembly those 3 rusty bolts on the rear DPF flange. Of course had to grind them off! Once the DPF is ready off, great idea to check the actual soot covering to see that your regen is really happening. Looking forward to the sequel today.
What a tease. I have no idea but I think it was something silly. Good entertainment again. Great job by Robin too.
Christian and of course Vera I recently had a steel sump installed on my transmission (Australia) with the vehicle being 12 years old and having travelled 140 thousand kilometres. Apparently its the thing to do in Oz !
Great video keep up the good work.
Auf wideseihn.
We do that too, on LR 3s, on the LR 4, it‘s easy to get off so we go with ZF.👍👌🙋♀️
I owned a D2. I was delighted at how comfortable and versatile it was. I always wished for a D3. After seeing you need a full workshop including hoist, custom manufactured tools, and seemingly limitless time to maintain these later models, maybe I better avoid.
When I worked for the Royal Flying Doctor Service out in Central Australia I replaced the D2 with a Defender with the BMW designed TD5 because of the harsh conditions (no roads, severe dust). Despite all the local Toyota pundits braying like donkeys about my Defender it performed flawlessly and only needed oil/filter changes. I did however have to spend much time underneath initially filling all the holes in the body with silicon sealant. The body construction is very crude but very practical.
If you actually need a 4WD the Defender has many attention to detail which make it a workhorse eg. metal guards over exposed fuel filter which D2 does not etc.
I enjoy the good humored camaraderie between you two. Amazed at your patience. Thank you & greetings from Brisbane Australia 👍🏻 🦘
A 10 year old defender is by now about 35000 Euro in Germany. Price climbing 😱. Christian
Amazing work… You are now an Official LR Guru Deutschland Magician! 👍🇬🇧🤣🤣
I started looking into LR3 and knew they are a bit of real estate. But this scares me and I had history of similar complex cars such as Audi A8 which I wrenched myself. But thank you guys my wallet will be happy and wife even happier. Nevertheless I'll continue to watch as it's very educational and also love Toyota bashing.
Great video - super realistic in that it shows that not ALL 'repairs' actually work (because sometimes the issue is not what you originally thought it was).
Looking forward to the 'great reveal' in the next week or so.
Thanks. Next one will be good 👍. Christian
Another great video, so in depth, hats off to you both for all your hard work
Christian and Vera always look forward to seeing your video blogs and great entertainment…: ❤🇬🇧
I also own a LR3. I live in French Lake, Canada. Your videos are great and I enjoy them very much, thanks.
You 2 are fantastic great sence of humour and what skill & knowledge you have
My try on the oil fault....... The bolt had broken though the inner casing of the TC, leaving a small crack on the bolt seat. As the bolt is at the lowest part of the TC it "sweated" out slowly. I am most probably wrong, I just like you guys so much that I had to take a swing at it. Thank you again for wonderful videos! Best wishes from Pretoria, South Africa
Land Rover, is definitely a kind of car, that will make a owner/gearhead very happy. Plenty of things to do, and is really satisfying to fix it, and see everything woking properly.
This is the best yt channel, you guys produce the best and most useful content on all of youtube!
I recently became the owner of an LR Disco 4 and this channel has helped me a lot to understand the complexities of the vehicle as well as the potential problems that an owner can face. Keep up the great work! Greetings from Serbia. :)
A brilliant video of the repair (although the final solution is yet to come). I have no idea what caused the leak but I'm here to learn 🙂 Have a great weekend folks.
Yes, don’t miss the next video. Christian
Another Brilliant video really appreciate the dedication you both have!
Oil from above, turbo feed line possibly, love the content you work so well together, I would have been more upset than you seem to have been after removing the transfer case and then finding the fault still exists!!
Nice to see new videos from you guys ✌️. Please do not blame "Land Rover" for bad repairs. The guys from the dealers are unexperienced, they just don't think and it is not just the JLR dealers... For an 8HP70 oil leak concern from the back of the automatic transmission, the root cause of the leak, can also be a porosity issue with the case. I am happy to support ;)
In that case it's poor training.
@@rogerstarkey5390 It is not only poor training. It is just the way it is. I Would not comment further. There are many people who don't want to be involved in cases like this, they stay in the shadow 😶🌫️
We do not blame Land Rover, we say that especially in the video. But the Land Rover workshop. Wait for more information on the next video why we think the Land Rover workshop failed. 🙋♀️Vera
When you pulled the transmission pan without removing the exhaust and raising the engine I thought, “How lucky they are not to be working on the 6HP26 with the V8.” Then I saw your transmission fill procedure for the 8HP and I realized there is no winning. Good thing we love these cars and we are “mechanics”.
The 6HP26 is a nightmare even on a TDV6, we released a video about that one a couple of weeks ago. Way worse then the 8HP, but we did take off the DPF. 😅👍🙋♀️Vera
Ooooh - A cliffhanger. Great stuff from Christian & Vera as always.
Blimey, filler cap or breather vent not connected - something really simple! I hate teasers like this, I want to know!! OMG. You two make great videos!
Cold. Breather was not it. Sorry. Christian
Hi, another glorious video. I’m always looking for Sunday afternoon to watch it. My tip is :issue on ventilation of the distribution box🤔 Martin
And no I do not know where the oil leak originated , love your channel guys
Was it the gearbox vent tube leaking? Another quality video too.
A really Great episode today guys! That was some work, and must have been very frustrating to you both after all that. I've no idea whatsoever as to the source of the leak, so I look forward with baited breath until next Sunday!
Great video for a Sunday. I believe your leak is coming from a pin hole in one of the case pockets to the right of the transmission output shaft. I believe ZF had a recall for this. Cheers have a great week!
😀👍🙋♀️Vera
I love the LR bashing you're vids promote because it enables you and me to get these cars cheap eg our D4 SC bought for 32kAu with 95k klm..now insured for 54k! Best car we've ever owned and makes Nissan and Toyota 4wds look like over priced dinosaurs....which they are!
😅👍You're absolutely right. 🙋♀️Vera
A blocked breather from me. Great video both, thank you.
Maybe the 10 bolt inspection plate?……..another excellent job assembled better than it was so well worth while…impressive!
this video was funny for various reasons and informative at the same time, something not every youtuber is able to achieve.
Red is black and positive is negative, words to live by. I await your next video with baited breath. Good work guys.👍
Thanks. Next one will be good. Christian
Love it, great Sunday evening watching 👍
Another fun episode, good thing you have a land rover addiction, never run out of leaks and drips!! My thought for the leak is the trans cooler o-ring(s) at the trans-case! looking forward to my awesome lr time t-shirt🤠🤠 Thanks again for the great lr times ~ Roger
Lol, almost. Christian
well done Christian and Vera.
Another great video, so in depth, hats off to you both for all your hard work, how much for one of your T' shirts if you sell them.
Leak was on the transmission breather pipe where it inserts into the transmission. There is a post on AULRO detailing this problem including an image
No that was not the problem. Check out the following video to that one. In that video, we show what the problem was and how we fixed it. 👍🙋♀️Vera
Owning a Land Rover is always a debacle of love and hate.
Good video👍 My wild guess will be that the leak is coming from the mechatronic sleeve connector housing, it's got an o-ring. But i don't know if it's prone to leakage? Ps. in some of the underbody videos, you may need some better lighting. It's a bit difficult to see where you're at some times.
See our community post. Christian
As always, I absolutely love your blogs!
I've always done my own work ever since we had an unfortunate experience with a mitsubishi dealer many years ago (35 actualy) doing it yourself means you know it has been done and if it hasn't worked you know what you did or didn't do. My investment in a hoist and a shed load of tools was worth it. There is no satisfaction quite like making or fixing something.
Rocker cover seal. Great video again👍
Good evening. Vera Christian & Robin. What an absolutely fantastic video even though I don’t have a clue on what causes that oil leak 🤪 I can’t wait until next Sunday already I’m so excited 🤩 And of course a kiss for Vera 😘 xx
😊🙋♀️Vera
Feel your frustration. Just sent my in for timing belt, oil and water pumps, a pair of EGRs replacement and plus a major service to drop all the diffs and transfer case oils and transmission. The guy i used here in down under is a LR specialist. I which i can do all the work myself.
Wow, but you are definitely doing a lot of good for your Disco. That is so great. 😀💪🙋♀️Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian you guys inspired me.😂. Just got news from my mechanic. My front upper control arms bushings are shot. Need to be replaced soon. The joy of running an old car, but I still love it. Did you guys do a video on replacing front upper control arms??
@@wilsonng911 Unfortunately there is no video. We did replace them before we started RUclips in 2020. 🙋♀Vera
“Oh my god” I have to wait another week to find out the problem. At least you are one step closer to my vehicle with the 8 speed auto, your videos are great but you need to get a 2012 L322 so we sing from the same hymn sheet. Great content keep it up. Have a great xmas all the best Neil.
Another great video.
Normally they leak from Valve Sleeve Vacuum Control(the connector plug - LR023292) which has several o-rings.
another great video,. The more I see work on the D4 the more I love my D3. Keep it up.
Great video, problem is porosity in the automatic transmission shame main dealer didn’t check for bulletins
👋 I think it's from the transfer cooler pipes. Fantastic video.
Oil weeps through the aluminium of the casing in the base of the pocket around where the steel D clutch tube is embedded. Great video. Makes me want to buy a 2 post lift for my disco 4
😀👍🙋♀️Vera
I'm guessing a simple turn to lock in the wiring sleeve for the mechatronic unit. I've done this repair on my LR3 and sympathize with you! Great video ✌🏻
Thanks. LR3 6HP is much more difficult. 8HP is a walk in the park. Christian
My guess is the leak is at the seal for the electrical connector, specifically the transmission connector
That one was actually replaced by the shop. I also had a new one and did not need it. Talk to you soon Waldo. Christian
Regarding corroded bolts, I always give the heads on mine a light covering of a thick grease. As long as the bolts are not directly in the path of road water, it prevents the heads from corroding.
Note that I only grease the bolts once they are in place, I don't apply any grease to the underside of the bolt heads.
Hey Christian and Vera, I'm sorry to see that you have been hit by so many Land Rover dealer mistakes, but it is good for the channel. Haha. The worst of it on the old Mall Crawler was your oil level sensor, but that was a design flaw and not the dealer I guess. This Discovery 4 will give you plenty of videos!! Haha
Yes, the sensor was screwed up in the Ford assembly plant. Larry, who mounted this sensor had a bad day because Manchester United lost the day before. He did not even see straight but he came to work in the Dagenham plant in the morning shift starting a 4am. Most engines he worked on that day got a lose connector. Bad luck. Christian
I saw video my time 6am. I understand there are issues with the rear of that particular transmission ie: small crack or hole at the bottom right. It Can be fixed with metal putty to stop the leaking. Sorry about the time difference. Great video. 🤞🏻
I think need to shield the on-the-fill cap on the transmission. Greetings from Iceland 🇮🇸
Greatings from Melbourne.....Christian and Vera Great team work, love love your videos. I have owned 2 x Discovery 1 300 tdi one I rubbed back to aluminum and the other white, now i drive an MR triton ute keep making great content please Aussie Jack
There's a little landrover knome hiding around the transmission area, he has a mini oil can and occasionally squeeze out a little oil just to confuse the situation.
many thanks and Vera & Christian for another great video
It was the oil filter cap that wasn’t tight enough 😂😂😂
Keep up the good work!! My wild shot here, transmission cooler lines or cooler was leaking!!
Very cold, but we already have a winner. Wait for next weeks video to see what the problem was. 😀👍🙋♀️Vera
When removing or draining the autobox a clear ‘under bed’ plastic storage box is useful… they are available shallow but are wider and longer than the pan so catch the spills 👍
The oil is black in the end. You wouldn't see anything. We rather use a magnet or filter the oil, if we are in fear that chips are in. Which was not the case here. 👍🙋♀️Vera
Maybe the transfer case vent ?? Great videos great team work 👍🇬🇧or gearbox vent
Yet another great video and more quotes from Vera. "I'm going to make lunch now, I'm depressed". Don't know what the cause of the leak was but really looking forward to the next video to find out. Thanks for posting.
That car is a steal buy. Almost new. Great job guys! The leak maybe because of the cleaning that was not fully dried. It seemed very minimal taking a look seemed its almost next to none. Everything is easier with you guys!
Just remember if it is not leaking oil it cannot be a true Land Rover. Land Rover: Converting owners to Mechanics for over 75 years.
My guess for the oil leak is from the multi-pin electrical connector at the RH side of the transmission.
Great Video, keep it up guys. When this happened to ours the shaft between the gearbox and the transfer case had very slighlty gone oval so needed replaced. So i am guessing the output shaft had gone out of round from the gearbox and couldnt reseal
That post makes me wanna send my D3 to your house and stay there for 1 month for full check! :D Congrats on your work!
Fab video guys. Thank you! Very informative and confidence building 🙂 I am about to tackle fitting new differential bearings front and rear shortly.
Wow, changing differential bearings is major undertaking and requires indepth knowledge about differentials. We only have changed the front differential seal on Fabian's Discovery 3. And on our own Disco 3, there are thankfully no signs of wear in the diffs. But Outback Discovery has taken his front diff apart and serviced it. Here are the links to his videos ruclips.net/video/3p2XyYGnuRM/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/L8iYJppRfwo/видео.html Maybe they are of help to you. 😀🙋♀️Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian Vera, thank you for the links :) I am hoping me being an engineer and metrologist will hold me good stead for rebulding my diffs, getting everything correct for a smooth runner. It is the side bearings that have gone bad.
Steel clutch tube where it enters the casing? Keep up the great videos, I've been watching since day 1 👍👍
Very cold, but we already have a winner. Wait for next weeks video to see what the problem was. 😀👍🙋♀️Vera
Good one. I am.i stalling a hoist. Did concrete work last week. Ashade is to flow as it is very sunny here in Dar es salaam
💪💪That is so great 🙋♀️Vera
Another great video, thankyou for supplying your newest Patreon with Sunday morning entertainment , Paul
Thanks 👍👌🏆. Welcome to our Patreon community. Christian
Very interesting and entertaining, Christian you must be a very energetic man.
All the oils taste slightly different. Just a touch and you can recognise what is leaking. The cause of the leak is that you have a Land Rover. I had one and it used to leak so much and burn so much I never had to do oil changes. Just keep topping up and change filters as appropriate.
Taste test is a must for me.
I will build up this skill. Oil tasting with Vera and Christian.
My goodness that two-post lift is a complete godsend isn't it? I wish I had one (for my 2007 Citroen C5)!
Yes, we love it when the weather is nice. Christian
Great video as always, I've just purchased a discovery 4 I think Christian would love to have a look over, it's a 2011 sdv6 hse with a mere 360000km with full land rover service history 🙈🤦
I will report more once I give it a full inspection when I w9rk on changing all oils and filters 👍🏻
😅👍Yeah that is a lot of km, especially for a Disco 4. Wow. Hope you don't have to do so much on the suspension. You probably already got your diagnostic tool. 👍🙋♀️Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian there are a few silly things which probably won't get repaired, like 3 out of the 5 surround cameras are not working, and the rear entertainment screens also. But apart from a full service and possibly a couple of suspension arms, it's running great! For now 😂
Hi Vera and Christian, thank you so much for replying to my comments so quickly. You would be surprised at the number of people who invite comments and then don`t reply. I just wanted to say how much I look forward to and enjoy your vids on a Sunday morning, I always tell my wife about your latest exploits and she pretends to be interested. Perhaps you can tell me Vera, why do women not get excited about drive shafts and crossmembers? I must admit it is a mystery to me. How is it also I wonder, that you both speak English so well? Your grammar and pronunciation are excellent, you must both be really clever, anyway, thanks for all of your hard work and I look forward to your next video and finding out the answer to the leak. My best wishes to you both. Paul.
Hello Paul, it is very hard to keep up with answering comments. We get hundreds, every single week. And not just on the recent video, but on all videos we have published. I do understand that for some, who get more comments than us, it is just plain impossible to answer all. Even I have to just "like" most of the comments because there are too many. But we do read every single one of them. 😀👍🙋♀️Vera
I think the aftermarket metal pans are actually better than the OEM ZF pans. It's a good design, better than the flat rubber gaskets you normally see, but it is very sensitive to being over torqued. When I did my 6HP the torque spec was just a hair, maybe a quarter turn over hand tight. Whenever I see people doing these pans (not you) they don't use a torque wrench and just crank down on it, which causes the gasket to roll out and get crushed.
Great video guys.
And to think I almost bought a used LR3 four years ago 😱. Thank god I passed. From your videos, one better know what they are up against.
That goes for any newer 4x4. Sheesh dude.
Great video as always. Like watching a surgeon at the top of his game assisted by his awesome theatre nurse.
Could Land Rover maybe have used wrong bolt?
That free oiler is keeping the rust at bay 😂
I think that the gearbox breather may have been pinched / blocked when a previous repair from the dealer was done. They’ve obviously been under there to service it and try and fix the noise
No, unfortunately not 😀🙋♀️Vera
Damn 😂. I think you should let us patreons know. I’ll be scratching my head all week otherwise
Hope you used enough devcon putty and filled those 2 cavities that leak due to porosity issue of TC while it was out even if your leak was from somewhere else, looking forward to the great reveal on Sunday👍
💪💪But we did not use the Devcon, even though we bought it. You'll see in the next video what we did use. And we certainly used enough of it. 😀👍🙋♀Vera
Yeah that reminds me with the 8 minutes and the car wash 😂😂😂 a nightmare and my Landrover dealer didn't have any advise!
Another great video from you two Was it leaking because you put a Toyota bolt on by mistake.😀
Lol. You mean an old rusty one with two threads left and a worn head because of monkey wrench use? No, sorry. 😂😂😂. Christian
Because it was dripping from a bolt my guess is the bolt has been installed by Land Rover without a sealing washer. You have since removed bolt and fitted a washer and replaced.
Have watched rhe video a few more times. The point where you bolt that you pointed to have oil is at a higher point than the oil pan. So the pan is out of question. Its coming from a place higher than that. I have tried to search for known problems /recals and my conclusion is
"It is the transfer case housing it self, poorly manufactured, porosity within the housing material"
The T shirt is mine.
A toyota die hard, who currenly drives a nissan and soon it will have LR sticker
You are correct with that evaluation. See my community post. Good analysis skills you got. You are definitely qualified to drive even to most complex LR and a Toyota is no where close to challenge your skills. Christian