One reason why they wouldn't build a qec is that they wouldn't want the reapers to find out about it. I believe they kept so much secrecy in the milky way was to keep the reapers from tracking them down
The developers themselves have already said that the Reapers are not interested in other Galaxies. So even if the Reapers had found out about the Initiative, they would not have sent in pursuit. There is a mention in the MEA that the Initiative tried to contact the Milky Way, but there was no response. I think it’s clear that trying to communicate with the Milky Way was possible only through QEC
Thanks for watching and sharing your ideas! This makes a lot of sense. The Initiative knew the Reapers were coming, but they had no idea about their intentions, like if the Reapers would follow them across galaxies. Being cautious is a reasonable move for the Initiative to make and explains why a QEC between galaxies isn't mentioned in-game.
The ship we see in the trailer with the presumed relay on it is more than likely a ship sent to andromeda to link the two galaxies. Maybe after the war, they Milky Way under goes a Technological boom as they have very advanced reaper tech just lying about. I remember the ME3 reaper info card saying that the Reaper FTL is approximately 2x faster than what the alliance ships are capable of. And with these Technological leaps leads to reversed engineering the mass relays. So combining that fact with what I said earlier maybe the ship we see is that very ship Liara or some other organization with the goal of linking the Andromeda Galaxy with our own.
Interesting idea! Reaper tech seems like it should be a huge factor in any future Milky Way stories, but we'll see... Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Awesome video! I wonder, if the Benefactor secretly has qec's with each Sam unit... Perhaps the Benefactor is an AI(?) If the qec's were small enough to be placed in neural implants then surely their would be others around hidden somewhere! Maybe they would want one themself. Whoever the Benefactor is. Explains the need to be hidden at the beginning of the game but not now... Also I don't believe that AI research in the Milly Way was that restrictive... I mean the Alliance and Cerberus basically made the beginnings of Edi on the moon years before...
Thanks for the kind words! You make an excellent point about the Benefactor having their own mini-QEC. It makes sense for this to be the case, and it would make them more mobile without the necessity to set up shop on the Nexus. It would also make a lot of sense if they were an AI. This would add a really intriguing wrinkle to the story if it turns out to be true. Regarding AI research in the Milky Way-AI technology is illegal in Citadel space, and nearly all of the research initiatives experimenting with AI were performed without the Council's permission and in secret. Notable examples that we know about are the Sidon facility from the novel Revelation and the Quiet Eddy facility from the novel Initiation. EDI was also developed illegally and had to hide her existence when the Alliance commandeered the SR-2 to avoid being taken offline. Also, in the Initiation novel, Alec Ryder sends Cora on a mission to retrieve stolen AI tech to prevent the Andromeda Initiative from being shut down. So, creating SAM was very risky, and the Initiative went to great lengths to keep its existence a secret. However, the Benefactor's motivation for the technology is still a mystery (I recommend reading Initiation if you're interested in learning more about the Mysterious Benefactor). Hopefully, we'll get some answers in the next game! Thanks for watching and sharing your ideas!
no it was in the first game you only used it during your reports to the council as you were not ment to be a known factor openly on comms that could e hacked or tracked even when they were real time
This isn't true. In the conversation with EDI in Mass Effect 2's Comm's Room, Shepard says, "I've never heard of Quantum Entanglement Communicator." You'd think Shepard would know if the reports to the Council in ME1 actually used QEC. Moreover, installing QECs is very expensive and time-consuming, so when would there have been time to install one aboard the SR-1? The ship was intended to be Anderson's flagship, not a Spectre vessel with a direct line to the Council. If you require further proof, the Codex entry "Communications: Administration" clarifies that the Council and the Spectres get absolute priority over the comm buoy network's bandwidth, indicating that this is their primary method of communication. You're right that QEC is more secure than the comm buoy network, which means it's possible that agents from other organizations listened to Shepard's reports on the Citadel. However, the line used for these reports would have the highest privacy and security features, likely including a powerful VI to establish a secure connection. Still, organizations like Cerberus, the STG, or even the Shadow Broker could probably crack this security, which could explain why they know so much...
Good video. About time somebody made a video about QEC connections. Maybe I missed it but there was a distrss signal sent on N7 day 2023 that was dated 2819 by what I assume was from the Andromeda Initiative to the Alliance. Honestly, it was the only proof I needed to validate my own Adrameda - Milky Way Galaxy QEC connection.
Thanks so much for the kind words! You’re spot on with the N7 Day 2023 distress signal. It further proves a connection between galaxies, but the 2819 date intrigues me. At the very least, it suggests some kind of communication between the Alliance and someone in the Andromeda galaxy. Maybe the Initiative? Maybe the Benefactor? There’s also the footage of the new relay construction to consider, which is dated 11/07/90. Is this 2190? Is it 2890? Questions, questions, and more questions!
@@RobsRelay The benefactor should have a QEC for commands to sleeper agent/s for the hit on key figures like jien garson (forgot how her name is spelt). The alliance may have picked up a packet to milky ops.
@daggermore There is a mention in the MEA that the Initiative tried to contact the Milky Way, but there was no response. I think it’s clear that trying to communicate with the Milky Way was possible only through QEC.
@@SeverusHunt Of all the secrets the Initiative kept ( including the illegal SAM AI ) there is only a few people in the Milky Way that would possibly know about a QEC link between the galaxies. My educated guess is the Shadow Broker would be one of them.
Good video, nicely done. Loved all the details you put in. I was thinking they could retcon it by just having the QEC be located on one of the missing arks. Like the Quarian one that left last. They could even mention that is part of the reason they wanted to find the Arks so bad. You know…other than the whole missing people thing. After all, no point in mentioning something that you couldn’t do anything about without finding the arks. In the game they show that they built the station to require the Arks to fully power it and bring all the systems online. I can see how the QEC would be low priority and it could have been in the last Ark due to technical difficulties. After all I assume it’d be hard to keep such sensitive equipment working for 600+ years with zero maintenance. Not everyone can build tech like the Reapers with such longevity and robustness. However, I agree. It simply could have not be created or sabotaged after the trip started to keep the information away from the Reapers. Although, I personally always thought that would have been futile. It’s inevitable that people who knew about the project and where they were heading would be indoctrinated. If the Reapers just didn’t pull the data off the computers entirely. Maybe they just didn’t care since they are focusing on this galaxy and it’s not like the species wouldn’t have already been preserved by them during the cycle. Although…maybe they DID care. Maybe they sent a fleet after them. Once the reapers left the galaxy, the wave from the relays wouldn’t have reached them. Mass Effect 5 could be Reapers vs Andromeda. I would find their interactions with the Kett interesting.
Thank you for the kind words! You mention some fantastic points here. You’re right that the Reapers would eventually find out about the Initiative, one way or another. It would be intriguing if a fleet were sent to Andromeda for this purpose, and the ramifications for Mass Effect 5 are infinite. The Reapers vs Kett has a lot of thematic potential since they are both races who convert others against their will. If it were a coin, the Reapers would represent the synthetic side, while the Kett would represent the organic side. The QEC device being housed on the quarian ark is tricky. The novel Mass Effect Annihilation makes no mention of a QEC. It also explains how challenging it was to build an ark to accommodate the various species aboard. Given these hurdles, it’s hard to believe they would also have the capacity to construct a QEC. Of course, this could all be retconned, as you mention, but it would have to be carefully explained, and this is the challenge that Bioware would have to face with retcons. I’m excited to see where the team takes us!
@TeddyBear8642 There is a mention in the MEA that the Initiative tried to contact the Milky Way, but there was no response. I think it’s clear that trying to communicate with the Milky Way was possible only through QEC. The developers themselves have already said that the Reapers are not interested in other Galaxies. So even if the Reapers had found out about the Initiative, they would not have sent in pursuit. But if the Reapers were interested in the Initiative... You yourself mentioned that the Reapers make durable and reliable technologies. This means that the Reapers are more technologically advanced. And this also means that the speed of the Reapers themselves is greater than that of the ships of the Milky Way. And if the Reapers wanted, they could easily catch up and destroy the Arks of the Initiative
The reapers built the mass effect relays, they know how they work, how to build them, and how to modify them. The control (probably the most likely canon ending) or synthesis endings of me3 open the possibility of simply building (or modifying) a relay and yeeting it at Andromeda. Or pull a Stargate Atlantis and yeet a string of relays, if there is no way for a single relay to bridge the gap. Even if you can't send the whole string at once, you send the ones that have to go all the way first, so the whole chain can become operational once they arrive. Personally, I kinda hope that me5 is set in Andromeda (or at least deals directly with the mysteries of Andromeda, even if it's not the main plot)
What you say here makes a lot of sense! Endings aside, you're right that the Reapers and their tech are the key to new relays and maybe even an intergalactic relay. It seems pretty likely that we'll see more of this in Mass Effect 5. Also, I heartily second your desire for the next game to address Andromeda's mysteries! It will be exciting to get answers to the questions raised in that game, especially the Benefactor's identity. Here's hoping Mass Effect 5 will give us some new details about these plotlines!
@@RobsRelay I'm REALLY hoping that the Benefactor doesn't turn out to be the Illusive Man. I'd much rather for the Benefactor to turn out to be The Shadow Broker, if they're going to turn out to be somebody we've met.
@@gildedbear5355 I agree entirely! If the Benefactor is someone we've seen, I have a few ideas about who it may be, but I'll save that for a future video-stay tuned! In the meantime, I recommend checking out this video from Kala Elizabeth if you haven't yet. She has some interesting ideas about who the Benefactor could be, and you may find it interesting. ruclips.net/video/yi0Jf6T3A3c/видео.html
@@GlizzyGoblin757I concur because of future story reasons control and synthesis makes live in the Milkyway too easy and not hard enough for more things to happen. And the people would be really rising out of the ashes of destruction (from the brink of annihilation), the Asari and Krogan in the Milky Way would be able to tell stories of bravery and sadness. There could have been small scale battles against Reaper remnants, sometimes them winning sometimes they loose…almost infinite possibilities
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One reason why they wouldn't build a qec is that they wouldn't want the reapers to find out about it. I believe they kept so much secrecy in the milky way was to keep the reapers from tracking them down
The developers themselves have already said that the Reapers are not interested in other Galaxies.
So even if the Reapers had found out about the Initiative, they would not have sent in pursuit.
There is a mention in the MEA that the Initiative tried to contact the Milky Way, but there was no response. I think it’s clear that trying to communicate with the Milky Way was possible only through QEC
Thanks for watching and sharing your ideas!
This makes a lot of sense. The Initiative knew the Reapers were coming, but they had no idea about their intentions, like if the Reapers would follow them across galaxies. Being cautious is a reasonable move for the Initiative to make and explains why a QEC between galaxies isn't mentioned in-game.
The ship we see in the trailer with the presumed relay on it is more than likely a ship sent to andromeda to link the two galaxies. Maybe after the war, they Milky Way under goes a Technological boom as they have very advanced reaper tech just lying about. I remember the ME3 reaper info card saying that the Reaper FTL is approximately 2x faster than what the alliance ships are capable of. And with these Technological leaps leads to reversed engineering the mass relays. So combining that fact with what I said earlier maybe the ship we see is that very ship Liara or some other organization with the goal of linking the Andromeda Galaxy with our own.
Interesting idea! Reaper tech seems like it should be a huge factor in any future Milky Way stories, but we'll see...
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Awesome video!
I wonder, if the Benefactor secretly has qec's with each Sam unit...
Perhaps the Benefactor is an AI(?)
If the qec's were small enough to be placed in neural implants then surely their would be others around hidden somewhere! Maybe they would want one themself. Whoever the Benefactor is.
Explains the need to be hidden at the beginning of the game but not now...
Also I don't believe that AI research in the Milly Way was that restrictive... I mean the Alliance and Cerberus basically made the beginnings of Edi on the moon years before...
Thanks for the kind words! You make an excellent point about the Benefactor having their own mini-QEC. It makes sense for this to be the case, and it would make them more mobile without the necessity to set up shop on the Nexus. It would also make a lot of sense if they were an AI. This would add a really intriguing wrinkle to the story if it turns out to be true.
Regarding AI research in the Milky Way-AI technology is illegal in Citadel space, and nearly all of the research initiatives experimenting with AI were performed without the Council's permission and in secret. Notable examples that we know about are the Sidon facility from the novel Revelation and the Quiet Eddy facility from the novel Initiation. EDI was also developed illegally and had to hide her existence when the Alliance commandeered the SR-2 to avoid being taken offline. Also, in the Initiation novel, Alec Ryder sends Cora on a mission to retrieve stolen AI tech to prevent the Andromeda Initiative from being shut down.
So, creating SAM was very risky, and the Initiative went to great lengths to keep its existence a secret. However, the Benefactor's motivation for the technology is still a mystery (I recommend reading Initiation if you're interested in learning more about the Mysterious Benefactor). Hopefully, we'll get some answers in the next game!
Thanks for watching and sharing your ideas!
no it was in the first game you only used it during your reports to the council as you were not ment to be a known factor openly on comms that could e hacked or tracked even when they were real time
This isn't true. In the conversation with EDI in Mass Effect 2's Comm's Room, Shepard says, "I've never heard of Quantum Entanglement Communicator." You'd think Shepard would know if the reports to the Council in ME1 actually used QEC.
Moreover, installing QECs is very expensive and time-consuming, so when would there have been time to install one aboard the SR-1? The ship was intended to be Anderson's flagship, not a Spectre vessel with a direct line to the Council. If you require further proof, the Codex entry "Communications: Administration" clarifies that the Council and the Spectres get absolute priority over the comm buoy network's bandwidth, indicating that this is their primary method of communication.
You're right that QEC is more secure than the comm buoy network, which means it's possible that agents from other organizations listened to Shepard's reports on the Citadel. However, the line used for these reports would have the highest privacy and security features, likely including a powerful VI to establish a secure connection. Still, organizations like Cerberus, the STG, or even the Shadow Broker could probably crack this security, which could explain why they know so much...
@@RobsRelay until that point the tech was not widely known of or used and was also not fully rolled out in the galaxy it was still being tested
@@maxrander0101 Do you have evidence, or is this a personal theory?
Tbf in mass effect 2 the way edi describes it sounds as tho its the first time for the normandy @@maxrander0101
Good video. About time somebody made a video about QEC connections. Maybe I missed it but there was a distrss signal sent on N7 day 2023 that was dated 2819 by what I assume was from the Andromeda Initiative to the Alliance. Honestly, it was the only proof I needed to validate my own Adrameda - Milky Way Galaxy QEC connection.
Thanks so much for the kind words!
You’re spot on with the N7 Day 2023 distress signal. It further proves a connection between galaxies, but the 2819 date intrigues me. At the very least, it suggests some kind of communication between the Alliance and someone in the Andromeda galaxy. Maybe the Initiative? Maybe the Benefactor?
There’s also the footage of the new relay construction to consider, which is dated 11/07/90. Is this 2190? Is it 2890? Questions, questions, and more questions!
@@RobsRelay The benefactor should have a QEC for commands to sleeper agent/s for the hit on key figures like jien garson (forgot how her name is spelt). The alliance may have picked up a packet to milky ops.
@daggermore There is a mention in the MEA that the Initiative tried to contact the Milky Way, but there was no response. I think it’s clear that trying to communicate with the Milky Way was possible only through QEC.
@@SeverusHunt Of all the secrets the Initiative kept ( including the illegal SAM AI ) there is only a few people in the Milky Way that would possibly know about a QEC link between the galaxies. My educated guess is the Shadow Broker would be one of them.
@@daggermore But why is QEC a secret?
It’s clear that Liara knows
Good video, nicely done. Loved all the details you put in. I was thinking they could retcon it by just having the QEC be located on one of the missing arks. Like the Quarian one that left last. They could even mention that is part of the reason they wanted to find the Arks so bad. You know…other than the whole missing people thing. After all, no point in mentioning something that you couldn’t do anything about without finding the arks.
In the game they show that they built the station to require the Arks to fully power it and bring all the systems online. I can see how the QEC would be low priority and it could have been in the last Ark due to technical difficulties. After all I assume it’d be hard to keep such sensitive equipment working for 600+ years with zero maintenance. Not everyone can build tech like the Reapers with such longevity and robustness.
However, I agree. It simply could have not be created or sabotaged after the trip started to keep the information away from the Reapers. Although, I personally always thought that would have been futile. It’s inevitable that people who knew about the project and where they were heading would be indoctrinated. If the Reapers just didn’t pull the data off the computers entirely. Maybe they just didn’t care since they are focusing on this galaxy and it’s not like the species wouldn’t have already been preserved by them during the cycle.
Although…maybe they DID care. Maybe they sent a fleet after them. Once the reapers left the galaxy, the wave from the relays wouldn’t have reached them. Mass Effect 5 could be Reapers vs Andromeda. I would find their interactions with the Kett interesting.
Thank you for the kind words! You mention some fantastic points here. You’re right that the Reapers would eventually find out about the Initiative, one way or another. It would be intriguing if a fleet were sent to Andromeda for this purpose, and the ramifications for Mass Effect 5 are infinite. The Reapers vs Kett has a lot of thematic potential since they are both races who convert others against their will. If it were a coin, the Reapers would represent the synthetic side, while the Kett would represent the organic side.
The QEC device being housed on the quarian ark is tricky. The novel Mass Effect Annihilation makes no mention of a QEC. It also explains how challenging it was to build an ark to accommodate the various species aboard. Given these hurdles, it’s hard to believe they would also have the capacity to construct a QEC. Of course, this could all be retconned, as you mention, but it would have to be carefully explained, and this is the challenge that Bioware would have to face with retcons. I’m excited to see where the team takes us!
@TeddyBear8642 There is a mention in the MEA that the Initiative tried to contact the Milky Way, but there was no response. I think it’s clear that trying to communicate with the Milky Way was possible only through QEC.
The developers themselves have already said that the Reapers are not interested in other Galaxies.
So even if the Reapers had found out about the Initiative, they would not have sent in pursuit.
But if the Reapers were interested in the Initiative...
You yourself mentioned that the Reapers make durable and reliable technologies. This means that the Reapers are more technologically advanced. And this also means that the speed of the Reapers themselves is greater than that of the ships of the Milky Way. And if the Reapers wanted, they could easily catch up and destroy the Arks of the Initiative
The reapers built the mass effect relays, they know how they work, how to build them, and how to modify them. The control (probably the most likely canon ending) or synthesis endings of me3 open the possibility of simply building (or modifying) a relay and yeeting it at Andromeda. Or pull a Stargate Atlantis and yeet a string of relays, if there is no way for a single relay to bridge the gap. Even if you can't send the whole string at once, you send the ones that have to go all the way first, so the whole chain can become operational once they arrive.
Personally, I kinda hope that me5 is set in Andromeda (or at least deals directly with the mysteries of Andromeda, even if it's not the main plot)
What you say here makes a lot of sense! Endings aside, you're right that the Reapers and their tech are the key to new relays and maybe even an intergalactic relay. It seems pretty likely that we'll see more of this in Mass Effect 5.
Also, I heartily second your desire for the next game to address Andromeda's mysteries! It will be exciting to get answers to the questions raised in that game, especially the Benefactor's identity. Here's hoping Mass Effect 5 will give us some new details about these plotlines!
@@RobsRelay I'm REALLY hoping that the Benefactor doesn't turn out to be the Illusive Man. I'd much rather for the Benefactor to turn out to be The Shadow Broker, if they're going to turn out to be somebody we've met.
@@gildedbear5355 I agree entirely! If the Benefactor is someone we've seen, I have a few ideas about who it may be, but I'll save that for a future video-stay tuned! In the meantime, I recommend checking out this video from Kala Elizabeth if you haven't yet. She has some interesting ideas about who the Benefactor could be, and you may find it interesting.
ruclips.net/video/yi0Jf6T3A3c/видео.html
destroy is the most likely ending
@@GlizzyGoblin757I concur because of future story reasons control and synthesis makes live in the Milkyway too easy and not hard enough for more things to happen. And the people would be really rising out of the ashes of destruction (from the brink of annihilation), the Asari and Krogan in the Milky Way would be able to tell stories of bravery and sadness. There could have been small scale battles against Reaper remnants, sometimes them winning sometimes they loose…almost infinite possibilities
Great video. I’m a big ME fan but never knew about QECs.
Thanks for the kind words-I'm glad you enjoyed it!