@@zairman In the 2020 teaser, we were shown a destroyed and unrepaired Relay. In Control we were shown that the Reapers are repairing the Relay. If the Reapers were alive, the Relay would have been repaired
Honestly the Geth and EDI still being around shows the child was possibly lying. Because was trying to save itself and persuade you from not choosing the destroy choice.
that's so stupid they don't include geth destruction (rather, deactivation of mobile platforms) in the ending cutscene sequence. The only evidence of synthetics being destroyed in the only ending where they are destroyed - "EDI" name of memorial board. That's it. The same way they didn't show geth fleet in the first cutscene of Priority: Earth. So, I don't think that's a lie. I believe that's just another ending flaw, since we do have "edi" on memorial.
It’s not necessarily The Child lying… the Child very well could have believed what they were saying, after all, Harbinger stated that the Reapers were eternal, that organically could fight all they wanted but they would be harvested just like all the others and how organics couldn’t harm Reapers. They believed they were invincible and unstoppable. With that kind of arrogance, it’s entirely possible the Child believed everything they said, and were wrong.
The child didn't lie at all. He never said they would be permanently destroyed. In fact he outright states the opposite. He tells you to your face all the damage is easily repairable. Edi and the Geth aren't dead, they're just damaged to a state of inactivity until they can be repaired. Which Edi would be handled at some point by the Normandy crew or the Alliance, but the geth specifically would be fast tracked by the Quarians which would be heavily reliant on them at the time. The cost of Destroy isn't synthetic life, it's the loss of the knowledge the reapers have in them of previous cycles and the jump in evolution that synthesis would bring.
@@PhunkyMunky10 Most mass effect fans I hear from zealously choose destroy as their ending and yet completely misunderstand its ramifications. It's probably the biggest misconception about the series is that destroys cost is to kill off every synthetic. Most people don't even think about the actual cost, being the positives of the other endings.
Logical choice given the character. Would Shepard risk it that the reapers were controlling him? No. Would Shepard think he had the right to change the DNA of every being in the galaxy? No. Would he destroy the reapers? Damn right he would!
People are going to have to grow up and accept the fact that canon choices will be made. Bioware is not going to make an endless number of games going forward to accommodate all your choices. That just isn't possible. Face it, you make different choices along the journey, but ultimately the story is the story.
or they timeskip 600 years into the future, abandoning all choices entirely. So datapads / Liara dialogue will be the only places they ever get reflected. That's much worse than canonizing.
@@eodyn7 control - ai commanded reapers to leave the galaxy after everything was rebuilt. Synthesis - green eyes / circuit effect war temporary for a century or so. Reapers left the galaxy after rebuilding relays/citadel. Destroy - geth were rebuilt again. Basically, they can shape it any way they want from here and it's really easy to seize ending effects with long enough timeskip. Shepard's story after perfect destroy can be revealed with datapads / Liara. Which I, imo, would really fucking hate. Same thing they did with replacement characters. Without Legion, Tali, Wrex, Grunt and so on, story is still the same, but you have more limited options. They can't make 3 different games, therefore if they don't canonize anything, timeskip can be used to give the galaxy the same shape, no matter which ending you choose. So it's either a) 3 different games. Not happening b) 1 canonized ending. Most likely destroy c) timeskip to "preserve choices", when in fact, that difference would only be mentioned in datapads of the past and in dialogues. MAYBE there would be additional/missing characters (like ME3 replacaments), maybe some additional assets on levels (f.e reaper memorials IDK lmao) and maybe additional ending specific side quests
perfect doesnt necessarily mean best. if kain saving the pillars in blood omen was canon then the sequels would have been darn boring / nonexistent. id also argue in silent hill the weaker ending are more interesting.
For me Mass Effect 5 is going to happen like 500-600 years after the battle with the Reapers. Destruction ending. That Geth you saw might be new technology based on Geth. We will be the first explorers after we "re-invent" the Relay Systems, which was totally destroyed in the red ending. Liara, as a Matriarch will lead the team.That's what I believe is going to be the starting point.
Yes we destroyed the reapers. I also think that anything Star Jar stated regarding synthetics being affected should be taken with a huge pinch of salt. Shepard survived and is going to be back.
The catalyst specifically tells you to your face that synthetics aren't permanently destroyed, only damaged to a state of inactivity. He is quoted as saying "It's all easily repairable".
Ok… in the trailers for the new Mass Effect, pay attention to what we see: Dead Reapers, Liara does not appear synthesized, Cerberus building a relay of some sort… Destroy ending WAS canon! These trailers have shown nothing that suggests that any of the other endings happened, and why would Liara be searching for Shepard if Shepard had died by gaining Synthesis or Control? No, the canon ending is Perfect Destroy and Shepard survived. He probably wandered off to be alone, deciding he’s had enough of being the galaxy’s hero. Edit to address The Child: Harbinger showed the Reaper arrogance by saying that they were eternal, couldn’t be beaten, and that the harvest would happen and be completed regardless of organics fighting. But Harbinger was wrong. The Child spoke with the same arrogance, though they allowed that Shepard is an anomaly and that fact changes the data and this is why Shepard was given these choices for the end of ME3. If Harbinger was wrong, why wouldn’t the Child be wrong? And the Child also had an agenda: Shepard had the capability of completely destroying the Reapers and they were an extension of the Child. Synthesis and Control both left things for Reapers to maintain their role. There’s no guarantee that the Reapers would stop in those two endings, but in the Perfect Destroy ending the Reapers would for sure be stopped. In the new trailers, there’s Geth. In the new artwork, there is Geth. Liara doesn’t look Synthesized. The Reapers and the Child were wrong. EDI probably survived as did the Geth. Now… what we don’t know is what was canon between Geth and Quarians… Editing again to address the next Mass Effect: The Kett were defeated at the end of Andromeda, but there’s a whole lot of them and what was in Helius represented only a fraction of them. It very well could be that the Kett are on their way to the Milky Way, also there’s the Dark Energy angle to consider
@NeriaWolf I hear ya lol. But in the trailer and artwork there’s obviously Geth. Now, whether they had mostly uploaded themselves to their gigantic super server Dyson Sphere and then redownload after the fact, I wouldn’t know. It’s possible I suppose. But Geth are definitely present.
Personally, I think destroy should be Canon, but incorporating the HAPPY Ending mod to allow Edi to live and geth in peace with Quarians....also Shepard lives. The choice at start of new game is who Shep romanced to build the story from.
I always pick destroy in my playthrough, I don't think synthesis are completely destroyed but completely stopped. There is always a future and its too many smart beings in the Milky Way not to reactive Geth and other technology.
Honestly, I do believe that Shepherd will be the protagonist again for a couple reasons. The big one is at the very end of three they’re doing a little bit of narration, and the kid asks for another story of shepherd so that to me, hence that there’s still ideas that of shepherd more storyand the second is being the breath at the end of three and there’s also another thing you forgot about in the possible storyline stuff is that dark energy thing from Hilstrom that son that was frying that one planets, ozone layer or something like that
I agree the destroy ending is the best the other 2 felt like traps, my curiosity is peaked because did Wrec survive, or which squad mate you chose to save on virmire. Who is the cannon love interest did they survive? Also the perfect destroy ending leaves an opening for Sheppard as well as the arks in Andromeda we know one left late with quarians, volus, batarians, etc. there are allot of moving parts and unanswered question. Wasn't there an individual in the bar scene that looked like a native of Andromeda.
I think something people missed with the destroy ending is that it doesn't destroy all synthetic components, it merely damages them into a state of nonfunction. The Catalyst himself says that it's all easily repairable. The sacrifice you make in the destroy ending isn't synthetic life, but the jump in evolution synthesis would have given or the vast repositories of previous cycles species stored in the reapers. Choosing to "make your own future" as Legion puts it. Edi and the geth survive the destroy ending, hell, Shepard survives the perfect ending despite being half synthetic. I always thought that was weird that most people completely misunderstand what the opportunity cost of destroy is. You are losing the synthetics, but only for as long as it takes to repair them. Hell they got the Normandy running without outside help, presuming that Tali is onboard they probably repaired Edi in the process or on the way back, but that is just reasonable speculation. The quarians, who just made peace with the Geth, and at the moment would be heavily reliant on them, as well as their own suits, would probably repair the Geth before just about anything after their suits. You know, assuming the perfect ending is canon, including peace for Rannoch. Given that Shepard just saved the current Galaxy and that of those who would have arisen before, I always thought Destroy was my chosen ending, as I feel Shep sacrificed enough and should get to be with his loved ones, even if it is at the expense of thousands of years of evolution and knowledge in setback by opportunity cost. We will get there eventually. That said though, it raised speculation among those that understood exactly how Destroy worked on if this meant the Reapers were repairable and if that would be a plot point in the future. Whether in a benevolent way with Catalyst dead/disabled or as a possible side protagonist where a singular one gets repaired by a cult or something. That, however, is pure fanfiction, though with all synthetics only damaged into inactivity and not fully destroyed/unrepairable, the prospect remains. Imagine getting another Javik/Legion style companion hybridized where you get a companion that is created by downloading an entire species out of a reaper into a synthetic body. The potential is amazing. That said, we must remember that this is Bioware, and not the Bioware we knew back then. I have very little faith in the future of Mass Effect, but I'm not completely writing it off until I see it. I know on some level that this is going to be wild speculation and joyous theorizing until the real thing comes out and it doesn't live up to the hype, like most AAA games. I'm fearing TES: VI for the same reason. Almost want them to just shelf them both at this point so as not to damage such a beloved brand. Anyway, "the end is nigh" talk aside, it makes absolute sense for perfect destroy to be canon, and why there would still be geth and Edi involved.
As I was watching your video. A different solution occurred to me. I never chose the destroy ending because it would destroy our new free Geth allies, and most important of all, destroy EDI. I just couldn't do it to, possible, previous virgin, Jeff "Joker" Moreau. Also, destroying A.I. might be more destructive to technology itself, like in Dune, the Butleraren Jihad. Refuse is a no go. I usually choose the top tier in terms of war assets needed, Synthesis. But, you have pointrd out how that can't be it. The solution is control. Controlling the Reapers leave the most intact, aside from synthesis. Plus Shepard transferring his consciousness into a Reaper to be their master is constructive. The Reapers can help build. Years later, Liara searches for that specific Reaper, the Shepard Reaper, to extract his consciousness, and place it into another cloned body. It sounds far fetched, but not impossible. The Reapers themselves might have an operational lifespan when mobilized. After all after the destruction of intelligent life, they go away. Maybe they eventually "reproduce" , remanufacture themselves. Shep's Reaper broke down, Liara has to "get him out". Maybe 500 years down the line.
1. The 2020 teaser showed a destroyed and unrepaired Relay. In Control we were shown how the Reapers repair the Relay. And if the Reapers were alive, they would have fixed the Relay; 2. The 2022 teaser showed that Relay is being built organic races. If the Reapers were alive, the organics wouldn't have to waste their resources and time building the Relay; 3. If the Reapers are alive, then all races of the Milky Way will gain incredible power. In Control, Shepard-Catalyst deploys a giant armada of Reapers to protect the races of the Milky Way from dangerous threats. At the same time, he will likely share some of the knowledge that the Reapers have accumulated over 1 billion years. That is, in Control, a protagonist is essentially not needed. Reapers will cope with any danger
My every ME3 ending was the same with perfect destroy, if anything else I put humanity first above all else and Shepard always survives. On that note, there might also be a choice for every player to choose what kind of ending they chose but they would have to incorporate multiple data into the game itself which could take a lot more time itself. So in that case do not expect the game to be finished before 2030.
Synth ending would have meant no more wars and strife because everyone would have been linked (and what stroy do you want to play out there), control would have been useless because who in his right mind would want to fight the force controlling the reapers, so the only really usable ending storywise always was and still is the destroy ending.
I mean it's not that I don't love the idea of perfect destroy where the brat would have lied and EDI + Geth are still alive. In fact that sounds perfect to me, however from what I remember there was an official declaration by Bioware saying there is no canon ending. Now of course I can't remember where so I might be mistaken but still keep this in mind. Also as much as this situation seems ideal to me I know that for whatever strange reason some people don't like that ending at all. So if Bioware doesn't want to alienate a big part of their fans they might have to make it work without making any ending canon.
frankly speaking bioware has moved the goalposts the whole time. after every game they glorified how the choices will matter in future and each time after they said "but its sooo hard to work with so many variables we just cant do it". theres no way they would make basically 3 different games. even if they wanted to be lazy and have asari x on planet y but depending on your big choice his dialogue has 1 or 2 extra lines and he has synthetics slapped on his shoulder or not.
@@kallemetsahalme5701 No they can't make 3 different games, but they can do what they've done from the start, take the rachni Queen, you killed her ? well she's replaced by a Reaper made one. One will be loyal to you the other will betray you. Virmire choice ? Always one dead and one alive so the 2 roles are filled no matter what. And don't get me wrong, it's not ideal at all I agree, it makes your choices feel more like a flavor than a real life changing consequence but it's still a way to acknowledge your decision. As you pointed out yourself from a technical and financial point of view it's impossible to have a real branching story for every major choice otherwise we would already have dozens of versions of the trilogy. But it's still better than many other franchises have done.
@@JezaGaia but as game tech improves i also expect these kind of systems to improve, otherwise i rather just play the old ones. at this point they could go all mass effect: red, blue and yellow edition gotta catch em all. but they wont because they want 1 canon so they can pretend to make movies or whatever in the future. like how disney felt the need to say all expanded star wars universe is irrelevant
We still have synthetics in ME:5 which appears to rule out the destroy ending. However many of these choice consequences come from an unreliable source. Could be synthesis only does the green thing temporarily. Or it could be the destroy actually only destroys reapers the rest a lie. Or it's even possible the Sheppard changes his/her mind after the control ending and self destructs all the reapers somehow. In fact That would explain Liara finding that helmet piece. What if Sheppard somehow backed up his/her mind just before self destructing the reapers and Liara needs some Sheppard dna for a clone to put that backup into? All the endings seem to conflict with what we see in the trailers. Of it could be the decided to do option 5, some miracle interrupts Sheppard just before the choice and this is what follows after.
or this is similar case to halo tv show. these guys just say "oh who cares what happened in previous game it was 10 years ago". essentially renders the original trilogy pointless. we might see miranda, kaidan, wong and others despite what happened. probably even some reapers because if a prothean survived then why not. so this will be like new story that doesnt care about the past. and truth be told even me3 was like that when rachni was there no matter what you did etc
I wish that there was a mass effect game where our choices mattered from the end of mass effect 3 trilogy or legendary edition so I or we can get some sort of closure onto what really happened to Shepard and the crew of the Normandy other wise the question of what happened to Shepard at the end of mass effect 3 doesn't really get answered and all those theories and stuff of what happened to Shepard and the crew of the Normandy gets spread everywhere?
if theres something good about a.i. in game development it is that bioware could plausibly do mass effect 4: red, blue and green versions. buy the one you want or collect them all. they would easily be able to do some changes to dialogue and possibly a few planets you visit
I don't think the N7 character in the trailer is the PC. They wouldn't need to do a comic to bring choices into the next game. They have Mass Effect Archives
I would love if mass effect 4 took your save game post me3le. I mean I'm convinced that is shepard in the trench and helmet, trying to go incognito, so it works for me. But with the grandfather/grandmother saying there's other stories of the shepard, then they kind of made a promise. And, if you want to insure that your game sells like hotcakes on a sunday social, you keep everyone wondering and the night before release, you drop that Shepard's back :) I do believe that might get Baldur's Gate 3 a run for its money.
Would be cool if we get a new threat that literally happens shortly after the destroy ending. Everyone has rebuilt. This threat is taken out by Shepherd and crew but this lingering threat will one day return. Shepherd and some of our crew such as garrus etc go into cryo and they are woken when this threat has returned which is set 700 years after shep was In cryo that way andromada can be part of this new present day story. Personally it's just a wild theory but I'd like a game where we play as shep and see our old crew while also seeing the galaxy in an era of peace without reapers and a nice node to Andromeda. Am sure there Is an angara in that post we saw talking to liara. Anyway should be shep cause the old credits of ME3 literally says " Tell me another story about This Shepherd". "It's getting late but okay.....one more story". So shouldn't this be the story?
I believe Bioware were telling is which is canon, or at least dropped a massive hint, here's my take on the endings, in control Shepard no longer exist only the essence. I believe synthesis was a lie, the illusive man gives a clue to this when he said "I wish you could see it the way I do, perfect", yet we already know he was seeing what the reapers wanted him to see not reality, I believe they did the same to Shepard by showing him a utopia merge when in reality Shepard just became a reaper husk. The perfect destroy ending, that breath scene is an utter waste of time if it meant nothing. I will never agree with anyone who says synthesis was correct, not because I'm against transhumanism but because it is immoral to make that choice for everyone else, if they personally want transhumanism I say power to them, but don't make that choice for others.
will never agree? i think the delicious part about the ending was that all the options have dire consequences. if they just handwave it all with "yeah every synthetic got disabled for 5 minutes until humans invented a way to power them up again" its just dumb. if they went with the indoctrination theory then ok but they clearly didnt when they did the extended cut and all that if mass effect 4 happens and it takes place in near future (as it should if shepard is alive) then the world should be like fallout. without bots, a.i. and such to assist the people on earth should be lucky to be able to do even domestic flights. it will be nightmare for bioware to try to explain everything is about the same as in me3 so they can give us the same game (since they ran from andromeda series to give us a member berries game its clear theyll be afraid to do any deviation from me3 formula)
(I say this knowing that I personally want perfect destroy to be the canon ending for a variety of reasons) Is there a reason you think that the reapers in the N7 Day 2020 video are "dead" and not simply "deactivated?". I know people who are convinced that canon ending is control because with all of the geth related things in the teaser content and the reapers on what people are assuming is Alchera (the snowy world) it kind of makes sense.
« I know people who are convinced that canon ending is control because with all of the geth related things in the teaser content and the reapers on what people are assuming is Alchera (the snowy world) it kind of makes sense.» These people don't understand something. 1. The 2020 teaser showed a destroyed and unrepaired relay. In "Control" we were shown how the Reapers repair the Relay. And if the Reapers were alive, they would have fixed the Relay; 2. The 2022 teaser showed that Relay is being built organically. If the Reapers were alive, the organics wouldn't have to waste their resources and time building the Relay; 3. If the Reapers are alive, then all races of the Milky Way will gain incredible power. In Control, Shepard the Catalyst deploys a giant armada of Reapers to protect the races of the Milky Way from dangerous threats. At the same time, he will likely share some of the knowledge that the Reapers have accumulated over 1 billion years. That is, in Control, a protagonist is essentially not needed. Reapers will cope with any danger
Listen if by any chance shepard survived this regardless of high ems he would probably want to die shortly after. He'd be blind because his eyes are synthetic. All the synthetic parts giving him/her motor motion of his limbs would be fried. So at best shepard would be a blind cripple that can't even wheel chair with out help and it would probably take a long time for tech to be build since every other system will focus on rebuilding their planets . Even joker would mop the floor with shepard that's how weak and screwed shepard would be. That's no way to live no matter how attached people are to the character. If I'm a full paragon I always choose control for this very reason. While I like destroy I just feel shepard living would be sad considering the consequences of destroying synthetic tech.
Perfect canon ending is Control. Destroy isn bad itself. But it lock future games under it's conditions - Everything is devastated(relays included), AI's/Geth 100% solid dead, etc., etc. Control dont have such problems - Reapers under shepard control repair everything very fast, AI's/Gets will survive and avaliable for future games, Shepard will stay, even as Reapers consciousness.
1. The 2020 teaser showed a destroyed and unrepaired relay. In "Control" we were shown how the Reapers repair the Relay. And if the Reapers were alive, they would have fixed the Relay; 2. The 2022 teaser showed that Relay is being built organically. If the Reapers were alive, the organics wouldn't have to waste their resources and time building the Relay; 3. If the Reapers are alive, then all races of the Milky Way will gain incredible power. In Control, Shepard the Catalyst deploys a giant armada of Reapers to protect the races of the Milky Way from dangerous threats. At the same time, he will likely share some of the knowledge that the Reapers have accumulated over 1 billion years. That is, in Control, a protagonist is essentially not needed. Reapers will cope with any danger
It's only canonical to those who don't understand the point of Mass Effect 3's plot was people sacrificing themselves for the greater good... i.e. Mordin, Thane & Legion's deaths.
Even if the Starchild isn’t lying, we know emphatically that everything that comes out his mouth is false. SAM proved that, EDI proved that, and the Geth proved that.
Gamble said everything in the trailer has a meaning The world liara pics up the garment is alchera (three moons, local cluster visible in the sky like in ME2), the crash landing site of the SR-1 the only N7 on the SR-1? Shepard -> he plays a role and def lives in ME5 Dead Reaper -> only logical in destroy ending Starchild stated: The damages done *are* repairable but were to take time so geth being there and perfect destroy arent mutually exclusive also it isn't likely to take place *too* long after ME3 because the technology (car design, architecture, vehicles) aren't any different from the OG trilogy. But still it is tied to Andromeda, I'm curious how they go on about it. Also regarding to a fans question a developer (don't know who anymore) stated that it is possible that people on the Citadel could survive during the destroy blast killing the reapers and we can expect every plot relevant person on the citadel (bailey, council etc) to have survived. Why would that matter if the next mass effect plays centuries after ME3? Lets see how they will resolve all this
I don't care what Bioware has said officially in the past, Indoctrination Theory is my canon, and thus the perfect destroy ending is the only "successful," and therefore canon, ending.
I personally subscribe to 4 main theories that I think coexist together quite well for the best possible outcome for the next game, while providing the largest portion of the fanbase a satisfying answer and outcome to the trilogy and what comes next. Theory 1) Perfect Destroy is canon: Just makes the most sense as both Synthesis and Control change the galaxy so severely that it doesn't really allow for conflict to be present within the galaxy going forward. Synthesis is far too utopian with its mass unification and understanding between synthetic and organic life, and Control leaves the galaxy to be essentially policed by Shepard controlled Reapers, which also isn't very satisfying or condusive to a Milky Way with conflict to play off of. Perfect destroy also ties well into theory 2. Theory 2) Shepard lives and is our protagonist: Makes more sense with the Perfect Destroy ending and gives the opportunity for the relationships we loved from the trilogy to carry over and continue in the next game. Shepard survivng despite also being part synthetic also could imply that the Starchild was not necessarily being truthful when it claimed all synthetic life would die. The way in which Shepard could be recovered and rebuilt once again also ties into theory 3. Theory 3) Mass Cryostasis: Cryostasis technology was already heavily implemented within the Andromeda Initiative, which we know Liara was involved with, and with her resources Liara could have easily accessed the technology. After the Reaper war, with the amount of devestation the reapers caused to numerous planets, and the damage the Crucible caused to the Mass Relays, rebuilding efforts would take an incredibly long time. This means that it would make much more sense to put large amounts of people in Cryostasis while traveling non-FTL throughout the galaxy to rebuild and reconnect (especially if some of those people needed stasis to keep them alive until they could be repaired (Shepard)). This way those people wouldn't further strain on resources during the time of rebuilding, and could explain a jump in time to the Andromeda era while retaining the characters we know and love. This also gives longer lived species like Asari and Krogan time to regrow their populations and rebuild while the other species keep more of their populations in Cryostasis, and with the aid of a species that didn't have to worry about aging at all they could rebuild even faster, which ties into theory 4. Theory 4) The Geth survived the Crucible: We know that the Geth were already working on a superstructure akin to a Dyson Sphere that would allow them to connect their entire species together to share information in a way they previously couldn't, and that that superstructure was likely being built in secret just outside the edge of the Milky Way galaxy. We also know that the Geth grew even more advanced and productive after they were given full individual sentience thanks to Legion's sacrifice, meaning they likely could have finished the structure before the end of the Reaper War. That means they could have fully uploaded themselves to the structure and been safe outside the range of the Crucible's destruction, and upon reuniting with the other Milky Way species they would be instrumental in rebuilding what was lost (especially if large populations of those species were in Cryostasis).
The perfect destroy ending is cannon. The devs slipped it in the upgraded ending as an FU to all the "fans" that talked endless shit about me3. Anyway, Hackett confirmed the destroy ending after Mars. "Dead Reapers is how we win this war."
I want the perfect the story ending I want to see Shepard at least one more time at least in a proper ending with my love interest which for me that would be liara
I'm still at 100% of my playthroughs ending with "destroy". I just can't help but just "finish this damned job", everytime, just taking the Reapers down, once and for all... (again)🙂.
This depends on how you play the game, if you focus more on the people then synthesis is a betrayal of all those who died or sacrificed themselves to kill the reapers. All those who died in the initial attack on every planet including Earth, all those who followed you into battle and died in Priority: Earth, all those indoctrinated and forced to commit horrific acts against their own people, all the colonists who were abducted and processed for the human reaper, and even Javik and the protheans.. you betray all of their expectations, hopes, and wishes for a machine's concept of a happy ending while disregarding all the damage it leaves behind. What about all those who are indoctrinated who can't break free because they can no longer think for themselves? What do you tell them? "Hey, we had the chance to destroy these emotionless demons who enslaved you against your will but decided to appease their motivations instead of getting revenge, sorry about that, enjoy your life as a vegetable!" Even if the reapers could somehow release these people despite such a mechanism never being mentioned, what future does a husk have? What about all those other species mutated into grotesque cyborgs against their will? If you play for the people you fight for and fight with, if you play for the friendships and the promise you've made for a future without the reapers, then synthesis is the worst option.
I also think of the perfect destroy ending as the ME3 reset. What if instead of being pulled out of the Citadel rubble, Shepard is pulled out of the rubble in Vancouver shortly after the Reapers attack. ME3 was a dream.
not really. thats like if matrix revolutions ended when smith pushed his hand through neo to assimilate him. it would just leave everything open. if shepard was indoctrinated what are the cutscenes about
In Synthesis, everyone lives in peace and harmony. There are no conflicts, battles or battles. But without conflicts, battles and battles there is no Mass Effect. Who should a player fight against in Synthesis? And further. In Synthesis, the Reapers will share all the knowledge accumulated over 1 billion years. With this knowledge, all races of the Milky Way will become incredibly powerful. That is, they will not have an enemy. They will be able to defeat everyone and the protagonist will not be needed there
@@SeverusHunt pretty simplified view. i think the most delicious part about different endings is that in next game the villain could be different and based on the choice (and not just some rando who wants to conquer the galaxy). in destroy ending there could be mad max type of villain who wants world to remain in non-synthetic/machine way. in synthetic ending there could be batman forever riddler kind of villain who wants to turn the entire world into his hivemind slaves and abuse this newfound connection between each being. in control ending there could be villain that wants to overthrow shepard a.i and gain control of the reapers. (because previously cycles reseted all information on reapers but now all the info on reapers is retained so they arent unknown and any number of researchers can try to understand the reapers and do what they want with them. because honestly millions of people dont care 1 bit about what shepard did or who he is) the play area, dialogue, teammates and so many other things could be slightly or totally different. destroy world would have simpler tech, in way look uglier than me trilogy. synthesis world would look way more advanced. and control world would look about the same as in trilogy
@@Cannadamalgrasholn420 think about this a universe where shepard wasn't needed for the reaper war and gets found on alchera by liara walking on a dead reaper it only makes sense
@@jacoballen148 It maybe makes sense , but that does not mean I have to like this idea. I would love to see Shep coming back to life once again BUT it would be better storytelling if he/she stays dead.
@sofajockeyUK We're not talking about dead Reapers. 1. The 2020 teaser showed a destroyed and unrepaired Relay. We were shown in Control how the Reapers repair the Relay. And if the Reapers were alive, they would have repaired the Relay; 2. The 2022 teaser showed Relay being built by organics. If the Reapers were alive, then the organics would not have to waste their resources and their time building the Relay; 3. If the Reapers are alive, then all races of the Milky Way will gain incredible power. In Synthesis, the Reapers share all the knowledge accumulated over 1 billion years. In Control, Shepard-Catalyst places a gigantic armada of Reapers to protect the races of the Milky Way from dangerous dangers. At the same time, he will probably share some of the knowledge accumulated by the Reapers over 1 billion years. That is, in Synthesis and Control, a protagonist is essentially not needed. The Reapers will cope with any danger
@@SeverusHunt "Synthesis and Control, a protagonist is essentially not needed." - exactly. Perfect destroy could be "canonized" only for the trilogy continuation. Basically, since reapers are around in those 2 endings, galaxy lives on perfectly fine and only destroy is branched, since the new threat/whatever cannot be solved by controlled reapers / synthesis magic. I really like this idea
Who gives a damn? The endings all suck and Bioware is dead. Why don't you discuss what Liara's pronouns will be in Mass Effect 4? Because that's what's gonna be more relevant to the writers than the canon ME3 ending ever will be if Dragon Age Veilguard is any indication on what the new Bioware writers truly value. And stop calling ME4 Mass Effect 5. Andromeda isn't part of the mainline games. It's so obvious you're a Bioware shill.
Perfect Destroy is not canon. Has never been canon. And should not be canon. I expect all three main endings to be accommodated in ME5. Personally I dislike Destroy and consider it the worst ending. Making that canon would be a dreadful error out of character with BioWare's past practice of not making specific choices canon.
@@eodyn7 Childish? Hardly. it is people wanting their selfish wishes to be canon that are childish. BioWare tend to respect choices and allow them to carry forward.
@@sofajockeyUK actually the choice of the majority is being respected with perfect destroy as canon so you are only being a child for saying it shouldnt be.
@@sofajockeyUKSince when Bioware respects the choices of players? We literally only have minor choice in those games. It would be impossible to have some major changes that go into different games. In ME 1 you kill Rachni queen. Well in ME3 we give you random Rachni queen. You destroy Maelon data about genophage in ME2? Well no matter. You will still cure genophage if you want with no problem. You reprogrammed the geth because you believed Legion they will not join reapers in ME2? You can guess what they do in ME3. The only difference is with numbers in war assets menu. No story change. You choose Anderson as a council member? Well in ME3 we will figure out to make Udina council member so our betrayal plot will work. You saved or killed council in ME1. Well it doesn't matter because they act exactly the same in ME2. Mass Effect games give you illusion of choices that matter. But in fact we follow linear path regardless of choices we make.
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It honestly makes sense. In the first trailer we see Liara walking on dead Reapers.
A dead Reaper doesn't mean they were killed by the destroy ending. Could have been other reasons as well.
@@zairmanIf the Reapers were still around, they would likely salvage/reconstruct it after the war.
@@zairman In the 2020 teaser, we were shown a destroyed and unrepaired Relay.
In Control we were shown that the Reapers are repairing the Relay. If the Reapers were alive, the Relay would have been repaired
@@zairman yeah well destroy ending is the more likely reason
I’m sorry but you said “new protagonist” I have to politely decline. I WANT MY MF SHEPARD. My man was supposed to have blue children.
Honestly the Geth and EDI still being around shows the child was possibly lying. Because was trying to save itself and persuade you from not choosing the destroy choice.
that's so stupid they don't include geth destruction (rather, deactivation of mobile platforms) in the ending cutscene sequence. The only evidence of synthetics being destroyed in the only ending where they are destroyed - "EDI" name of memorial board. That's it. The same way they didn't show geth fleet in the first cutscene of Priority: Earth.
So, I don't think that's a lie. I believe that's just another ending flaw, since we do have "edi" on memorial.
It’s not necessarily The Child lying… the Child very well could have believed what they were saying, after all, Harbinger stated that the Reapers were eternal, that organically could fight all they wanted but they would be harvested just like all the others and how organics couldn’t harm Reapers. They believed they were invincible and unstoppable. With that kind of arrogance, it’s entirely possible the Child believed everything they said, and were wrong.
The child didn't lie at all. He never said they would be permanently destroyed. In fact he outright states the opposite. He tells you to your face all the damage is easily repairable. Edi and the Geth aren't dead, they're just damaged to a state of inactivity until they can be repaired. Which Edi would be handled at some point by the Normandy crew or the Alliance, but the geth specifically would be fast tracked by the Quarians which would be heavily reliant on them at the time. The cost of Destroy isn't synthetic life, it's the loss of the knowledge the reapers have in them of previous cycles and the jump in evolution that synthesis would bring.
@@SirTayluh So similar to an EMP burst. I had forgotten about his statement about everything being repairable
@@PhunkyMunky10 Most mass effect fans I hear from zealously choose destroy as their ending and yet completely misunderstand its ramifications. It's probably the biggest misconception about the series is that destroys cost is to kill off every synthetic. Most people don't even think about the actual cost, being the positives of the other endings.
Logical choice given the character. Would Shepard risk it that the reapers were controlling him? No. Would Shepard think he had the right to change the DNA of every being in the galaxy? No. Would he destroy the reapers? Damn right he would!
Not everyone played as the Renegade you know...
People are going to have to grow up and accept the fact that canon choices will be made. Bioware is not going to make an endless number of games going forward to accommodate all your choices. That just isn't possible. Face it, you make different choices along the journey, but ultimately the story is the story.
or they timeskip 600 years into the future, abandoning all choices entirely. So datapads / Liara dialogue will be the only places they ever get reflected. That's much worse than canonizing.
@@elion4245That doesn't make any sense. Even if you jump forward 600 years your end game choices would still have an effect.
@@eodyn7 control - ai commanded reapers to leave the galaxy after everything was rebuilt. Synthesis - green eyes / circuit effect war temporary for a century or so. Reapers left the galaxy after rebuilding relays/citadel. Destroy - geth were rebuilt again.
Basically, they can shape it any way they want from here and it's really easy to seize ending effects with long enough timeskip. Shepard's story after perfect destroy can be revealed with datapads / Liara. Which I, imo, would really fucking hate.
Same thing they did with replacement characters. Without Legion, Tali, Wrex, Grunt and so on, story is still the same, but you have more limited options. They can't make 3 different games, therefore if they don't canonize anything, timeskip can be used to give the galaxy the same shape, no matter which ending you choose.
So it's either
a) 3 different games. Not happening
b) 1 canonized ending. Most likely destroy
c) timeskip to "preserve choices", when in fact, that difference would only be mentioned in datapads of the past and in dialogues. MAYBE there would be additional/missing characters (like ME3 replacaments), maybe some additional assets on levels (f.e reaper memorials IDK lmao) and maybe additional ending specific side quests
@@elion4245synthesis being temporary would completely defeat the point.
@@eodyn7 i mean, green glow being temporary
Perfect destroy ending was the one who needed more battle points to achive. Of course is the cannon one.
perfect doesnt necessarily mean best. if kain saving the pillars in blood omen was canon then the sequels would have been darn boring / nonexistent. id also argue in silent hill the weaker ending are more interesting.
You dont even know how to spell "canon".
For me Mass Effect 5 is going to happen like 500-600 years after the battle with the Reapers. Destruction ending. That Geth you saw might be new technology based on Geth. We will be the first explorers after we "re-invent" the Relay Systems, which was totally destroyed in the red ending. Liara, as a Matriarch will lead the team.That's what I believe is going to be the starting point.
Yes we destroyed the reapers. I also think that anything Star Jar stated regarding synthetics being affected should be taken with a huge pinch of salt. Shepard survived and is going to be back.
Edi will be back in the 4th game if the geth are there too
@NeriaWolf Geth and Edi can survive even in Destroy
@@SeverusHunt yeah that is true
The catalyst specifically tells you to your face that synthetics aren't permanently destroyed, only damaged to a state of inactivity. He is quoted as saying "It's all easily repairable".
Ok… in the trailers for the new Mass Effect, pay attention to what we see: Dead Reapers, Liara does not appear synthesized, Cerberus building a relay of some sort… Destroy ending WAS canon! These trailers have shown nothing that suggests that any of the other endings happened, and why would Liara be searching for Shepard if Shepard had died by gaining Synthesis or Control? No, the canon ending is Perfect Destroy and Shepard survived. He probably wandered off to be alone, deciding he’s had enough of being the galaxy’s hero.
Edit to address The Child:
Harbinger showed the Reaper arrogance by saying that they were eternal, couldn’t be beaten, and that the harvest would happen and be completed regardless of organics fighting. But Harbinger was wrong. The Child spoke with the same arrogance, though they allowed that Shepard is an anomaly and that fact changes the data and this is why Shepard was given these choices for the end of ME3. If Harbinger was wrong, why wouldn’t the Child be wrong? And the Child also had an agenda: Shepard had the capability of completely destroying the Reapers and they were an extension of the Child. Synthesis and Control both left things for Reapers to maintain their role. There’s no guarantee that the Reapers would stop in those two endings, but in the Perfect Destroy ending the Reapers would for sure be stopped.
In the new trailers, there’s Geth. In the new artwork, there is Geth. Liara doesn’t look Synthesized. The Reapers and the Child were wrong. EDI probably survived as did the Geth. Now… what we don’t know is what was canon between Geth and Quarians…
Editing again to address the next Mass Effect: The Kett were defeated at the end of Andromeda, but there’s a whole lot of them and what was in Helius represented only a fraction of them. It very well could be that the Kett are on their way to the Milky Way, also there’s the Dark Energy angle to consider
@NeriaWolf I hear ya lol. But in the trailer and artwork there’s obviously Geth. Now, whether they had mostly uploaded themselves to their gigantic super server Dyson Sphere and then redownload after the fact, I wouldn’t know. It’s possible I suppose. But Geth are definitely present.
If we got the perfect destroy ending as the canon ending then there is no reason not to have shepherd as the MC lol
Personally, I think destroy should be Canon, but incorporating the HAPPY Ending mod to allow Edi to live and geth in peace with Quarians....also Shepard lives. The choice at start of new game is who Shep romanced to build the story from.
I totally agree with you 😊
I always pick destroy in my playthrough, I don't think synthesis are completely destroyed but completely stopped. There is always a future and its too many smart beings in the Milky Way not to reactive Geth and other technology.
Unbothered queen who never even hesitated to grind the Reapers to dust every single play through. And I am good with this. 😊
Honestly, I do believe that Shepherd will be the protagonist again for a couple reasons. The big one is at the very end of three they’re doing a little bit of narration, and the kid asks for another story of shepherd so that to me, hence that there’s still ideas that of shepherd more storyand the second is being the breath at the end of three and there’s also another thing you forgot about in the possible storyline stuff is that dark energy thing from Hilstrom that son that was frying that one planets, ozone layer or something like that
I agree the destroy ending is the best the other 2 felt like traps, my curiosity is peaked because did Wrec survive, or which squad mate you chose to save on virmire. Who is the cannon love interest did they survive? Also the perfect destroy ending leaves an opening for Sheppard as well as the arks in Andromeda we know one left late with quarians, volus, batarians, etc. there are allot of moving parts and unanswered question. Wasn't there an individual in the bar scene that looked like a native of Andromeda.
I think something people missed with the destroy ending is that it doesn't destroy all synthetic components, it merely damages them into a state of nonfunction. The Catalyst himself says that it's all easily repairable. The sacrifice you make in the destroy ending isn't synthetic life, but the jump in evolution synthesis would have given or the vast repositories of previous cycles species stored in the reapers. Choosing to "make your own future" as Legion puts it. Edi and the geth survive the destroy ending, hell, Shepard survives the perfect ending despite being half synthetic.
I always thought that was weird that most people completely misunderstand what the opportunity cost of destroy is. You are losing the synthetics, but only for as long as it takes to repair them. Hell they got the Normandy running without outside help, presuming that Tali is onboard they probably repaired Edi in the process or on the way back, but that is just reasonable speculation. The quarians, who just made peace with the Geth, and at the moment would be heavily reliant on them, as well as their own suits, would probably repair the Geth before just about anything after their suits. You know, assuming the perfect ending is canon, including peace for Rannoch.
Given that Shepard just saved the current Galaxy and that of those who would have arisen before, I always thought Destroy was my chosen ending, as I feel Shep sacrificed enough and should get to be with his loved ones, even if it is at the expense of thousands of years of evolution and knowledge in setback by opportunity cost. We will get there eventually.
That said though, it raised speculation among those that understood exactly how Destroy worked on if this meant the Reapers were repairable and if that would be a plot point in the future. Whether in a benevolent way with Catalyst dead/disabled or as a possible side protagonist where a singular one gets repaired by a cult or something. That, however, is pure fanfiction, though with all synthetics only damaged into inactivity and not fully destroyed/unrepairable, the prospect remains. Imagine getting another Javik/Legion style companion hybridized where you get a companion that is created by downloading an entire species out of a reaper into a synthetic body. The potential is amazing.
That said, we must remember that this is Bioware, and not the Bioware we knew back then. I have very little faith in the future of Mass Effect, but I'm not completely writing it off until I see it. I know on some level that this is going to be wild speculation and joyous theorizing until the real thing comes out and it doesn't live up to the hype, like most AAA games. I'm fearing TES: VI for the same reason. Almost want them to just shelf them both at this point so as not to damage such a beloved brand. Anyway, "the end is nigh" talk aside, it makes absolute sense for perfect destroy to be canon, and why there would still be geth and Edi involved.
As I was watching your video. A different solution occurred to me. I never chose the destroy ending because it would destroy our new free Geth allies, and most important of all, destroy EDI. I just couldn't do it to, possible, previous virgin, Jeff "Joker" Moreau. Also, destroying A.I. might be more destructive to technology itself, like in Dune, the Butleraren Jihad. Refuse is a no go. I usually choose the top tier in terms of war assets needed, Synthesis. But, you have pointrd out how that can't be it.
The solution is control. Controlling the Reapers leave the most intact, aside from synthesis. Plus Shepard transferring his consciousness into a Reaper to be their master is constructive. The Reapers can help build. Years later, Liara searches for that specific Reaper, the Shepard Reaper, to extract his consciousness, and place it into another cloned body. It sounds far fetched, but not impossible.
The Reapers themselves might have an operational lifespan when mobilized. After all after the destruction of intelligent life, they go away. Maybe they eventually "reproduce" , remanufacture themselves. Shep's Reaper broke down, Liara has to "get him out". Maybe 500 years down the line.
1. The 2020 teaser showed a destroyed and unrepaired Relay. In Control we were shown how the Reapers repair the Relay. And if the Reapers were alive, they would have fixed the Relay;
2. The 2022 teaser showed that Relay is being built organic races. If the Reapers were alive, the organics wouldn't have to waste their resources and time building the Relay;
3. If the Reapers are alive, then all races of the Milky Way will gain incredible power. In Control, Shepard-Catalyst deploys a giant armada of Reapers to protect the races of the Milky Way from dangerous threats. At the same time, he will likely share some of the knowledge that the Reapers have accumulated over 1 billion years.
That is, in Control, a protagonist is essentially not needed. Reapers will cope with any danger
My every ME3 ending was the same with perfect destroy, if anything else I put humanity first above all else and Shepard always survives. On that note, there might also be a choice for every player to choose what kind of ending they chose but they would have to incorporate multiple data into the game itself which could take a lot more time itself. So in that case do not expect the game to be finished before 2030.
Synth ending would have meant no more wars and strife because everyone would have been linked (and what stroy do you want to play out there), control would have been useless because who in his right mind would want to fight the force controlling the reapers, so the only really usable ending storywise always was and still is the destroy ending.
I mean it's not that I don't love the idea of perfect destroy where the brat would have lied and EDI + Geth are still alive.
In fact that sounds perfect to me, however from what I remember there was an official declaration by Bioware saying there is no canon ending.
Now of course I can't remember where so I might be mistaken but still keep this in mind.
Also as much as this situation seems ideal to me I know that for whatever strange reason some people don't like that ending at all. So if Bioware doesn't want to alienate a big part of their fans they might have to make it work without making any ending canon.
frankly speaking bioware has moved the goalposts the whole time. after every game they glorified how the choices will matter in future and each time after they said "but its sooo hard to work with so many variables we just cant do it".
theres no way they would make basically 3 different games. even if they wanted to be lazy and have asari x on planet y but depending on your big choice his dialogue has 1 or 2 extra lines and he has synthetics slapped on his shoulder or not.
@@kallemetsahalme5701 No they can't make 3 different games, but they can do what they've done from the start, take the rachni Queen, you killed her ? well she's replaced by a Reaper made one. One will be loyal to you the other will betray you.
Virmire choice ? Always one dead and one alive so the 2 roles are filled no matter what.
And don't get me wrong, it's not ideal at all I agree, it makes your choices feel more like a flavor than a real life changing consequence but it's still a way to acknowledge your decision.
As you pointed out yourself from a technical and financial point of view it's impossible to have a real branching story for every major choice otherwise we would already have dozens of versions of the trilogy. But it's still better than many other franchises have done.
@@JezaGaia but as game tech improves i also expect these kind of systems to improve, otherwise i rather just play the old ones.
at this point they could go all mass effect: red, blue and yellow edition gotta catch em all. but they wont because they want 1 canon so they can pretend to make movies or whatever in the future. like how disney felt the need to say all expanded star wars universe is irrelevant
We will know soon enough with Dreadwolf. How will BioWare deal with the endings from Inquisition?
Yeah i think Shepard will return they was rebuilt with alot of biotics
We still have synthetics in ME:5 which appears to rule out the destroy ending. However many of these choice consequences come from an unreliable source. Could be synthesis only does the green thing temporarily. Or it could be the destroy actually only destroys reapers the rest a lie. Or it's even possible the Sheppard changes his/her mind after the control ending and self destructs all the reapers somehow. In fact That would explain Liara finding that helmet piece. What if Sheppard somehow backed up his/her mind just before self destructing the reapers and Liara needs some Sheppard dna for a clone to put that backup into? All the endings seem to conflict with what we see in the trailers.
Of it could be the decided to do option 5, some miracle interrupts Sheppard just before the choice and this is what follows after.
or this is similar case to halo tv show. these guys just say "oh who cares what happened in previous game it was 10 years ago".
essentially renders the original trilogy pointless. we might see miranda, kaidan, wong and others despite what happened. probably even some reapers because if a prothean survived then why not. so this will be like new story that doesnt care about the past.
and truth be told even me3 was like that when rachni was there no matter what you did etc
I am going to be cautiously optimistic. The dumpster fire that is Veilguard they could "woke" ME into oblivion.
I wish that there was a mass effect game where our choices mattered from the end of mass effect 3 trilogy or legendary edition so I or we can get some sort of closure onto what really happened to Shepard and the crew of the Normandy other wise the question of what happened to Shepard at the end of mass effect 3 doesn't really get answered and all those theories and stuff of what happened to Shepard and the crew of the Normandy gets spread everywhere?
if theres something good about a.i. in game development it is that bioware could plausibly do mass effect 4: red, blue and green versions. buy the one you want or collect them all. they would easily be able to do some changes to dialogue and possibly a few planets you visit
I don't think the N7 character in the trailer is the PC. They wouldn't need to do a comic to bring choices into the next game. They have Mass Effect Archives
I would love if mass effect 4 took your save game post me3le. I mean I'm convinced that is shepard in the trench and helmet, trying to go incognito, so it works for me.
But with the grandfather/grandmother saying there's other stories of the shepard, then they kind of made a promise.
And, if you want to insure that your game sells like hotcakes on a sunday social, you keep everyone wondering and the night before release, you drop that Shepard's back :)
I do believe that might get Baldur's Gate 3 a run for its money.
Would be cool if we get a new threat that literally happens shortly after the destroy ending. Everyone has rebuilt. This threat is taken out by Shepherd and crew but this lingering threat will one day return. Shepherd and some of our crew such as garrus etc go into cryo and they are woken when this threat has returned which is set 700 years after shep was In cryo that way andromada can be part of this new present day story. Personally it's just a wild theory but I'd like a game where we play as shep and see our old crew while also seeing the galaxy in an era of peace without reapers and a nice node to Andromeda. Am sure there Is an angara in that post we saw talking to liara. Anyway should be shep cause the old credits of ME3 literally says " Tell me another story about This Shepherd". "It's getting late but okay.....one more story". So shouldn't this be the story?
I believe Bioware were telling is which is canon, or at least dropped a massive hint, here's my take on the endings, in control Shepard no longer exist only the essence. I believe synthesis was a lie, the illusive man gives a clue to this when he said "I wish you could see it the way I do, perfect", yet we already know he was seeing what the reapers wanted him to see not reality, I believe they did the same to Shepard by showing him a utopia merge when in reality Shepard just became a reaper husk.
The perfect destroy ending, that breath scene is an utter waste of time if it meant nothing.
I will never agree with anyone who says synthesis was correct, not because I'm against transhumanism but because it is immoral to make that choice for everyone else, if they personally want transhumanism I say power to them, but don't make that choice for others.
will never agree? i think the delicious part about the ending was that all the options have dire consequences. if they just handwave it all with "yeah every synthetic got disabled for 5 minutes until humans invented a way to power them up again" its just dumb. if they went with the indoctrination theory then ok but they clearly didnt when they did the extended cut and all that
if mass effect 4 happens and it takes place in near future (as it should if shepard is alive) then the world should be like fallout. without bots, a.i. and such to assist the people on earth should be lucky to be able to do even domestic flights. it will be nightmare for bioware to try to explain everything is about the same as in me3 so they can give us the same game (since they ran from andromeda series to give us a member berries game its clear theyll be afraid to do any deviation from me3 formula)
Of course it’s canon. Just don’t tell Kala because she won’t be happy if they make perfect destroy canon 😂
(I say this knowing that I personally want perfect destroy to be the canon ending for a variety of reasons)
Is there a reason you think that the reapers in the N7 Day 2020 video are "dead" and not simply "deactivated?". I know people who are convinced that canon ending is control because with all of the geth related things in the teaser content and the reapers on what people are assuming is Alchera (the snowy world) it kind of makes sense.
« I know people who are convinced that canon ending is control because with all of the geth related things in the teaser content and the reapers on what people are assuming is Alchera (the snowy world) it kind of makes sense.»
These people don't understand something.
1. The 2020 teaser showed a destroyed and unrepaired relay. In "Control" we were shown how the Reapers repair the Relay. And if the Reapers were alive, they would have fixed the Relay;
2. The 2022 teaser showed that Relay is being built organically. If the Reapers were alive, the organics wouldn't have to waste their resources and time building the Relay;
3. If the Reapers are alive, then all races of the Milky Way will gain incredible power. In Control, Shepard the Catalyst deploys a giant armada of Reapers to protect the races of the Milky Way from dangerous threats. At the same time, he will likely share some of the knowledge that the Reapers have accumulated over 1 billion years.
That is, in Control, a protagonist is essentially not needed. Reapers will cope with any danger
Listen if by any chance shepard survived this regardless of high ems he would probably want to die shortly after. He'd be blind because his eyes are synthetic. All the synthetic parts giving him/her motor motion of his limbs would be fried. So at best shepard would be a blind cripple that can't even wheel chair with out help and it would probably take a long time for tech to be build since every other system will focus on rebuilding their planets . Even joker would mop the floor with shepard that's how weak and screwed shepard would be. That's no way to live no matter how attached people are to the character.
If I'm a full paragon I always choose control for this very reason.
While I like destroy I just feel shepard living would be sad considering the consequences of destroying synthetic tech.
There are many ways to get around this. The easiest is to put Shepard into cryostasis.
Perfect canon ending is Control. Destroy isn bad itself. But it lock future games under it's conditions - Everything is devastated(relays included), AI's/Geth 100% solid dead, etc., etc.
Control dont have such problems - Reapers under shepard control repair everything very fast, AI's/Gets will survive and avaliable for future games, Shepard will stay, even as Reapers consciousness.
1. The 2020 teaser showed a destroyed and unrepaired relay. In "Control" we were shown how the Reapers repair the Relay. And if the Reapers were alive, they would have fixed the Relay;
2. The 2022 teaser showed that Relay is being built organically. If the Reapers were alive, the organics wouldn't have to waste their resources and time building the Relay;
3. If the Reapers are alive, then all races of the Milky Way will gain incredible power. In Control, Shepard the Catalyst deploys a giant armada of Reapers to protect the races of the Milky Way from dangerous threats. At the same time, he will likely share some of the knowledge that the Reapers have accumulated over 1 billion years.
That is, in Control, a protagonist is essentially not needed. Reapers will cope with any danger
It's only canonical to those who don't understand the point of Mass Effect 3's plot was people sacrificing themselves for the greater good... i.e. Mordin, Thane & Legion's deaths.
Actually the geth and edi could have made a backup of themselves to survive the perfect destroy ending
Narratively from the perspective of a writer destroy is the best and easiest ending to work off of.
Even if the Starchild isn’t lying, we know emphatically that everything that comes out his mouth is false. SAM proved that, EDI proved that, and the Geth proved that.
If destroy is cannon... Then Shepherd is dead and can't come back. He was reconstructed using Reaper Tec, he would die along with Geth and EDE.
How ? Starchild even said that you are partly synthetic. Also in perfect destroy Shepard lives ... so like ..
Gamble said everything in the trailer has a meaning
The world liara pics up the garment is alchera (three moons, local cluster visible in the sky like in ME2), the crash landing site of the SR-1 the only N7 on the SR-1? Shepard -> he plays a role and def lives in ME5
Dead Reaper -> only logical in destroy ending
Starchild stated: The damages done *are* repairable but were to take time so geth being there and perfect destroy arent mutually exclusive
also it isn't likely to take place *too* long after ME3 because the technology (car design, architecture, vehicles) aren't any different from the OG trilogy. But still it is tied to Andromeda, I'm curious how they go on about it.
Also regarding to a fans question a developer (don't know who anymore) stated that it is possible that people on the Citadel could survive during the destroy blast killing the reapers and we can expect every plot relevant person on the citadel (bailey, council etc) to have survived.
Why would that matter if the next mass effect plays centuries after ME3?
Lets see how they will resolve all this
I don't care what Bioware has said officially in the past, Indoctrination Theory is my canon, and thus the perfect destroy ending is the only "successful," and therefore canon, ending.
Why perfect destroy if you are not going to make Shepard the main character?
I personally subscribe to 4 main theories that I think coexist together quite well for the best possible outcome for the next game, while providing the largest portion of the fanbase a satisfying answer and outcome to the trilogy and what comes next.
Theory 1) Perfect Destroy is canon:
Just makes the most sense as both Synthesis and Control change the galaxy so severely that it doesn't really allow for conflict to be present within the galaxy going forward. Synthesis is far too utopian with its mass unification and understanding between synthetic and organic life, and Control leaves the galaxy to be essentially policed by Shepard controlled Reapers, which also isn't very satisfying or condusive to a Milky Way with conflict to play off of. Perfect destroy also ties well into theory 2.
Theory 2) Shepard lives and is our protagonist:
Makes more sense with the Perfect Destroy ending and gives the opportunity for the relationships we loved from the trilogy to carry over and continue in the next game. Shepard survivng despite also being part synthetic also could imply that the Starchild was not necessarily being truthful when it claimed all synthetic life would die. The way in which Shepard could be recovered and rebuilt once again also ties into theory 3.
Theory 3) Mass Cryostasis:
Cryostasis technology was already heavily implemented within the Andromeda Initiative, which we know Liara was involved with, and with her resources Liara could have easily accessed the technology. After the Reaper war, with the amount of devestation the reapers caused to numerous planets, and the damage the Crucible caused to the Mass Relays, rebuilding efforts would take an incredibly long time. This means that it would make much more sense to put large amounts of people in Cryostasis while traveling non-FTL throughout the galaxy to rebuild and reconnect (especially if some of those people needed stasis to keep them alive until they could be repaired (Shepard)). This way those people wouldn't further strain on resources during the time of rebuilding, and could explain a jump in time to the Andromeda era while retaining the characters we know and love. This also gives longer lived species like Asari and Krogan time to regrow their populations and rebuild while the other species keep more of their populations in Cryostasis, and with the aid of a species that didn't have to worry about aging at all they could rebuild even faster, which ties into theory 4.
Theory 4) The Geth survived the Crucible:
We know that the Geth were already working on a superstructure akin to a Dyson Sphere that would allow them to connect their entire species together to share information in a way they previously couldn't, and that that superstructure was likely being built in secret just outside the edge of the Milky Way galaxy. We also know that the Geth grew even more advanced and productive after they were given full individual sentience thanks to Legion's sacrifice, meaning they likely could have finished the structure before the end of the Reaper War. That means they could have fully uploaded themselves to the structure and been safe outside the range of the Crucible's destruction, and upon reuniting with the other Milky Way species they would be instrumental in rebuilding what was lost (especially if large populations of those species were in Cryostasis).
If it’s not canon ending the long work was not worth it.
The perfect destroy ending is cannon. The devs slipped it in the upgraded ending as an FU to all the "fans" that talked endless shit about me3. Anyway, Hackett confirmed the destroy ending after Mars. "Dead Reapers is how we win this war."
I want the perfect the story ending I want to see Shepard at least one more time at least in a proper ending with my love interest which for me that would be liara
I'm still at 100% of my playthroughs ending with "destroy". I just can't help but just "finish this damned job", everytime, just taking the Reapers down, once and for all... (again)🙂.
TBH, Synthesis made the most sense to me as a thematic ending for the series, but I get the idea of why they would make the destroy ending cannon
This depends on how you play the game, if you focus more on the people then synthesis is a betrayal of all those who died or sacrificed themselves to kill the reapers. All those who died in the initial attack on every planet including Earth, all those who followed you into battle and died in Priority: Earth, all those indoctrinated and forced to commit horrific acts against their own people, all the colonists who were abducted and processed for the human reaper, and even Javik and the protheans.. you betray all of their expectations, hopes, and wishes for a machine's concept of a happy ending while disregarding all the damage it leaves behind. What about all those who are indoctrinated who can't break free because they can no longer think for themselves? What do you tell them? "Hey, we had the chance to destroy these emotionless demons who enslaved you against your will but decided to appease their motivations instead of getting revenge, sorry about that, enjoy your life as a vegetable!" Even if the reapers could somehow release these people despite such a mechanism never being mentioned, what future does a husk have? What about all those other species mutated into grotesque cyborgs against their will? If you play for the people you fight for and fight with, if you play for the friendships and the promise you've made for a future without the reapers, then synthesis is the worst option.
fucking knew it
I also think of the perfect destroy ending as the ME3 reset. What if instead of being pulled out of the Citadel rubble, Shepard is pulled out of the rubble in Vancouver shortly after the Reapers attack. ME3 was a dream.
you could consider the indoctrination as a ending also even if It debunked
not really. thats like if matrix revolutions ended when smith pushed his hand through neo to assimilate him. it would just leave everything open. if shepard was indoctrinated what are the cutscenes about
No. Thematically it should be synthesis. Societies working and integrating together.
In Synthesis, everyone lives in peace and harmony. There are no conflicts, battles or battles.
But without conflicts, battles and battles there is no Mass Effect.
Who should a player fight against in Synthesis?
And further.
In Synthesis, the Reapers will share all the knowledge accumulated over 1 billion years.
With this knowledge, all races of the Milky Way will become incredibly powerful.
That is, they will not have an enemy. They will be able to defeat everyone and the protagonist will not be needed there
@@SeverusHunt pretty simplified view. i think the most delicious part about different endings is that in next game the villain could be different and based on the choice (and not just some rando who wants to conquer the galaxy).
in destroy ending there could be mad max type of villain who wants world to remain in non-synthetic/machine way.
in synthetic ending there could be batman forever riddler kind of villain who wants to turn the entire world into his hivemind slaves and abuse this newfound connection between each being.
in control ending there could be villain that wants to overthrow shepard a.i and gain control of the reapers. (because previously cycles reseted all information on reapers but now all the info on reapers is retained so they arent unknown and any number of researchers can try to understand the reapers and do what they want with them. because honestly millions of people dont care 1 bit about what shepard did or who he is)
the play area, dialogue, teammates and so many other things could be slightly or totally different. destroy world would have simpler tech, in way look uglier than me trilogy. synthesis world would look way more advanced. and control world would look about the same as in trilogy
But there is a lot of work ahead for what you described. Modern PC and console power will not support such a varied game
I chose the “Do nothing” ending.. 👀
You lazy boy!😀
How's about a parallel universe
Please no !
@@Cannadamalgrasholn420 think about this a universe where shepard wasn't needed for the reaper war and gets found on alchera by liara walking on a dead reaper it only makes sense
@@Error-0x0194 who knows
@@Error-0x0194 true
@@jacoballen148 It maybe makes sense , but that does not mean I have to like this idea.
I would love to see Shep coming back to life once again BUT it would be better storytelling if he/she stays dead.
Because we were shown Destroy, this is canon.
We were not shown Destroy. Dead reapers are perfectly possible in all 3 endings, given several hundred years have passed.
@sofajockeyUK We're not talking about dead Reapers.
1. The 2020 teaser showed a destroyed and unrepaired Relay. We were shown in Control how the Reapers repair the Relay. And if the Reapers were alive, they would have repaired the Relay;
2. The 2022 teaser showed Relay being built by organics. If the Reapers were alive, then the organics would not have to waste their resources and their time building the Relay;
3. If the Reapers are alive, then all races of the Milky Way will gain incredible power. In Synthesis, the Reapers share all the knowledge accumulated over 1 billion years. In Control, Shepard-Catalyst places a gigantic armada of Reapers to protect the races of the Milky Way from dangerous dangers. At the same time, he will probably share some of the knowledge accumulated by the Reapers over 1 billion years.
That is, in Synthesis and Control, a protagonist is essentially not needed. The Reapers will cope with any danger
@@SeverusHunt "Synthesis and Control, a protagonist is essentially not needed." - exactly. Perfect destroy could be "canonized" only for the trilogy continuation. Basically, since reapers are around in those 2 endings, galaxy lives on perfectly fine and only destroy is branched, since the new threat/whatever cannot be solved by controlled reapers / synthesis magic. I really like this idea
Destroy is not Cannon
Who gives a damn?
The endings all suck and Bioware is dead.
Why don't you discuss what Liara's pronouns will be in Mass Effect 4? Because that's what's gonna be more relevant to the writers than the canon ME3 ending ever will be if Dragon Age Veilguard is any indication on what the new Bioware writers truly value.
And stop calling ME4 Mass Effect 5. Andromeda isn't part of the mainline games.
It's so obvious you're a Bioware shill.
Perfect Destroy is not canon. Has never been canon. And should not be canon. I expect all three main endings to be accommodated in ME5. Personally I dislike Destroy and consider it the worst ending. Making that canon would be a dreadful error out of character with BioWare's past practice of not making specific choices canon.
It's not possible to include every ending scenario, unless you want to wait 20+ years for the next game.
lol people like you are so childish. Get used to the fact that canon choices will be made.
@@eodyn7 Childish? Hardly. it is people wanting their selfish wishes to be canon that are childish. BioWare tend to respect choices and allow them to carry forward.
@@sofajockeyUK actually the choice of the majority is being respected with perfect destroy as canon so you are only being a child for saying it shouldnt be.
@@sofajockeyUKSince when Bioware respects the choices of players? We literally only have minor choice in those games. It would be impossible to have some major changes that go into different games. In ME 1 you kill Rachni queen. Well in ME3 we give you random Rachni queen. You destroy Maelon data about genophage in ME2? Well no matter. You will still cure genophage if you want with no problem. You reprogrammed the geth because you believed Legion they will not join reapers in ME2? You can guess what they do in ME3. The only difference is with numbers in war assets menu. No story change. You choose Anderson as a council member? Well in ME3 we will figure out to make Udina council member so our betrayal plot will work. You saved or killed council in ME1. Well it doesn't matter because they act exactly the same in ME2. Mass Effect games give you illusion of choices that matter. But in fact we follow linear path regardless of choices we make.