@@OwenBikeNerd Your real emotional reactions were priceless! 🥰 You actually looked like a 5 year old kid riding the bike for the first time! 😍😂🤣 Thank you! You've made my day! 👏🏻👏🏻🥰 And welcome to the eMTB family? 🫣😉 (Canyon Spectral ON CF8 2023 here)
@@schmrzlch battery disconnects over small bumps (it's a full suspension Haibike CF 9), motor hesitates to start (like juds etc) and the control unit is faulty and it's not even half a year old.
I have to say this was one of the best episodes Iv seen from EMBN, (as an ebike newbie) Owen’s excitement and Steve’s experience made an amazing team. The idea of a newbie being able to tackle a tech climb is amazing!! Just goes to show it doesn’t always have to be bike tech talk, just get out and enjoy cycling. Thanks guys.
This. I ride local trails here in Switzerland where I often meet die hard bikers that don't own an eMTB yet. Every time they try my Strive:ON or see what you can do with a proper enduro E-Bike, they talk about how nice it could be to own one. Having an eMTB for getting you out the door more, especially after a long day of work, truly is such a nice thing to have. I personally started out properly on an eMTB, but I'm also thinking about getting a proper park bike for lift service areas since I find myself enjoying downhill trails the most.
The sooner people understand that ebiking is a different sport to mountain biking I think there will be less animosity, its not cheating its a different sport
The E-Bike becomes the Swiss army knife that used properly opens up so many different places to ride up and down for a lot longer. Trail centres are a good start but back-country is the adventure waiting to be opened up. That's what I have found and enjoy. Not always a breakneck speed.
The climbing is what makes emb's fun for me there's a technical section in woods where I live I've yet to complete it in one yet I keep trying and I'm gonna eventually get it but it's so damn fun
Well done Steve, got another convert on the way. FUN, that's what I like to hear out of these analog diehards. Owen said it opens up the hill again - in other words he's already looking forward to riding more. For me the best fun is not so much the techy uphill but the flowy berm style uphill tracks where you are accelerating, braking, turning, front wheel dancing all while going up. then the emtbs stable surefooted descents on any tracks, green, blue or black.
Brilliant video - each to their own, my idea of Heaven is a natural trail and an e-bike, whereas Hell would be a trail centre full of jumps and smooth berms. There's enough room in this world for all types to enjoy our sport in any way so "smile and ride".
This was a good illustration of the difference between a dirt bike and an EMTB. The dirt bike was kicking up rocks and tearing up the trail. In the US, the USFS considers them the same, which is ridiculous.
Now let's get bike manufacturers to put 155mm or shorter cranks on these things! Also, Camera Man, help Owen out with his chest strap. Man looks like he's been hit by a bus!
Owen, look up more when you are tech climbing. Look past the obstacle and keep peddling. You will make more climbs. You can see that when your head drops and you look down you get hung up. look ahead, look ahead, look ahead. Great job though!
What amazes me is people who still it's think there are just for lesser riders or injured people. They can be used by everyone from beginners to hardcore pros. E-bike hater's are so yesterday. Nothing with MTB's either!
Excellent video guys - great to see the penny drop with the legend that Owen now is, grasp what emtb is all about 😎. Despite all his years of mtb experience, he does look like he’s out on his school holidays biking with auld uncle Steve 😆
Awesome video, one of your best. We were able to pick up so much technique without it being an instructional video. People we know often scoff at us about being on "electric" and yet having ridden them now for 4 years I can honestly say both my wife and myself have more fitness and skill in our 50/60s than we did 35 years ago.
Steve's unleashed the beast in Owen! 😂 Ive not got an eMTB yet but you guys are definitely selling it to me! Too old and knackered to be doing jumps and drops in bike parks but I love riding up techie climbs on my normal MTB going up steeper even more tech is really appealing! Great film guys 👍
I live down the road from the Wye valley. My partner and I ride our emtbs here, we can be out for hours and have so much fun climbing up the tech climbs. Great video guys
I've fought the urge to buy an eMTB for a long time. I added one to the quiver recently and WOW it's so much fun especially climbing things that was never possible on the manual bikes. Carrying trail maintenance gear is so easy now. The added weight also makes the downhill stuff even faster. I'm not going to give up riding manual bikes but very glad I added a eMTB for sure.
All the right words said 😂👍 I was not thinking that my ordered Santa Cruz bullit is going to be a hero of a machine, capable of bringing me up the steepest trails when I ordered it. But it did and it changed my mind about Mountainbiking as a whole. Now I am actively searching for opportunities to climb trails. A few months ago I thought only about the fireroads to climb up.
I've always enjoyed Stevie's videos. I like the wisdom he has to try and help Owen up the tough climbs due to Owens newby-ness to eBikes......Stevie should be in Sales! I like Stevie showing those GAS Motor heads how to ride!!!!
Excellent video, sums up the fun you can have on an EMTB. Here's a question how much faster is EMTB than standard MTB on a typical enduro race stage? Might be an interesting video
Awesome stuff, genuine excitement and newfound enthusiasm 😃🤘 I get Owen, I had the same reaction when I got to climb a trail on my Relay and it was just so inspiring to push until failure due to my lack of skill 🤣 But the great thing is it can only get better, hankering for a ride now, so sayonara 😅
This is exactly why I bought my eMTB two years ago. I moved near a hill with an awful incline, and I used to feel exhausted climbing it with my acoustic XC bike. Now, I can do it even with my son on a Shotgun.
I loved seeing the Motorbikes at the end. I come from the motorcycling adventure riding and am getting in eMTB. This is EXACTLY what I imagined. A really good episode and is inspiring me to try some of my old motorbike trails. Cheers!!
Few comments regarding motor power and clutches, or lack there of i assume from non emtb riders?…….The motor deploys power relative to input if you need to “feed” the power in use less pedal pressure, if you struggle with over run or over torque BACKPEDAL and it switches off.
Earlier in year hurt arm it got worse in June after X-ray found out got Arthritis Tendinitis which in Summer Holidays I can’t take Full Suspension Ebike off road also got Dizziness twice now so stopped me ride Ebike for a week
Thanks for the video, though you're still wrecking all that great production on any screen bigger than a postage stamp.. I haven't even gamed in 1080p for a decade
RUclips uploads the video at lowest resolution first then steps up. As soon as a video is released often you won’t get more than 480/720 until RUclips finally processes the 1440/4k options.
Would have been nice if you touched on a cash buyer strategy vs financing said townhouse. I'm fortunate enough to be able to buy something cash to let. Still not sure if I would like to go down the route
today out on my enduro moto on some techish singletrack i was thinking how sweet the trail would be to tackle on the emtnbike….certainly mtnbike trails in the last decade have been berm’d and jump’d within an inch of their lives…sad really
Love the vid - I love my emtb - means I can stay in the saddle through all my ride . Especially, those techy climbs . Where is this river bed in the Wye Valley ??
I was planning to get a motorbike, like I had in China, when I moved to Spain two years ago, but I decided to try an EMTB and haven’t looked back. I find it to be the best all-round travel vehicle here, where there are long stretches of paved and unpaved roads to explore with light, mindful traffic. I have been loving the challenge of technical climbs and road climbs have been less of a slog, but technical downhill scares me and I have a problem with my hands, so braking the whole way down just kills me. In the end, technical climbs and road downhill is where it’s at for me and I have been exploring all of my options over here with a great deal of joy!
Hi - thanks for the question - so no body armour - and the camelbak - was for water, tools, snacks and a spare layer just in case the weather changed! Cheers Owen
@@OwenBikeNerd is there a slot to slip spine protection in,just in case Thanks for taking the time It’s cold here in winter on the Sunshine Coast in Queensland, Straya
@@embn I found the trick is to always keep one finger on your brake levers and to keep peddling and fine tune the output with the rear brake, kind of like riding a 2 stroke dirtbike via the clutch
The motor responds to your input, the clutch is your legs! The only thing to worry about is the over run but you can kill that by back pedaling (on brose motors anyway)
Imagine how your riding would be if you both just lost weight and got fitter and rode a enduro hardtail with real tyres way better . I do aggree with you Steve that mtb ing has become what i call McDonalds MTB meaning i can go any were round the world and black trails are all pretty much the same which to me is boring and the climbing tracks are just lame . Still enjoy your vids ✌
Get a grip mate you’re completely missing the point here. When you reach retirement age even in tip top shape as I personally am lucky (preparation & timing actually) to possess these machines allow me to climb almost any track. I have been a hater also until a recent hire(thanks hub)@ beacon hill . Simply put the transition carbon relay w/ fauzua 60 I rented from them completely changed my mind. This comes from lifetime dirt bike rider who also rides mtb often
@@luigimassello4357 hey mate i,m not a hater of e bikes and i get the point of the vid which is to sell more ebikes which will happen because people love easy. I am also a long time moto rider and if i want to fast everywere i just ride my moto. I have ridden ebikes and dont like the computer deciding how much power goes to the rear wheel a engine and clutch and gearbox is way better in my eyes. I,m retired ex pro mtb racer and can easily ride up any mtb track because there easy thats why i make my own tracks think moto hard enduro but on normal mtb my point is why promote unfitt fat people just because of age i,m fitter and stronger now at 54 than i was in my 20s the reason is ebikes make fat people feel fitter buy just opening there wallet but there still fat and unfitt age is bullshit . Thanks for your comment cheers mate . 😁💪
He’s right, you missed the point completely. An elite level rider might get an mtb up that rock bed once we’ll do it 10 times for fun on emtbs. If you can ride a bike emtbs are insane thats why all the pro’s have them instead of sitting there bitching
If this doesn’t convince regular MTB’ers that EMTBs are awesome then nothing will. Brilliant video.
Thank you!
@@OwenBikeNerd Your real emotional reactions were priceless! 🥰 You actually looked like a 5 year old kid riding the bike for the first time! 😍😂🤣 Thank you! You've made my day! 👏🏻👏🏻🥰
And welcome to the eMTB family? 🫣😉 (Canyon Spectral ON CF8 2023 here)
awesome till something goes wrong with one... ask me how i know... biggest regret i have is buying a 5k emtb
@@moneyneeded9912 so, what went wrong?
@@schmrzlch battery disconnects over small bumps (it's a full suspension Haibike CF 9), motor hesitates to start (like juds etc) and the control unit is faulty and it's not even half a year old.
I have to say this was one of the best episodes Iv seen from EMBN, (as an ebike newbie) Owen’s excitement and Steve’s experience made an amazing team. The idea of a newbie being able to tackle a tech climb is amazing!! Just goes to show it doesn’t always have to be bike tech talk, just get out and enjoy cycling. Thanks guys.
Oh gee thank you - much appreciated!
Cheers
Owen
I believe that any mountain biker who tries a good emtb wants one. It has to be experienced to be fully appreciated.
This. I ride local trails here in Switzerland where I often meet die hard bikers that don't own an eMTB yet. Every time they try my Strive:ON or see what you can do with a proper enduro E-Bike, they talk about how nice it could be to own one. Having an eMTB for getting you out the door more, especially after a long day of work, truly is such a nice thing to have.
I personally started out properly on an eMTB, but I'm also thinking about getting a proper park bike for lift service areas since I find myself enjoying downhill trails the most.
One of The best and most inspiring episodes for a long time! Loved it!
The sooner people understand that ebiking is a different sport to mountain biking I think there will be less animosity, its not cheating its a different sport
..or perhaps it’s the Evolution of the sport .
The E-Bike becomes the Swiss army knife that used properly opens up so many different places to ride up and down for a lot longer. Trail centres are a good start but back-country is the adventure waiting to be opened up. That's what I have found and enjoy. Not always a breakneck speed.
The climbing is what makes emb's fun for me there's a technical section in woods where I live I've yet to complete it in one yet I keep trying and I'm gonna eventually get it but it's so damn fun
Agreed the tech climbs are so, so engaging!
Glad you liked the video!
Cheers
Owen
It was really enjoyable owen and great to see your enthusiasm you did some epic climbing there on difficult climbs
Well done Steve, got another convert on the way. FUN, that's what I like to hear out of these analog diehards.
Owen said it opens up the hill again - in other words he's already looking forward to riding more.
For me the best fun is not so much the techy uphill but the flowy berm style uphill tracks where you are accelerating, braking, turning, front wheel dancing all while going up. then the emtbs stable surefooted descents on any tracks, green, blue or black.
Brilliant video - each to their own, my idea of Heaven is a natural trail and an e-bike, whereas Hell would be a trail centre full of jumps and smooth berms. There's enough room in this world for all types to enjoy our sport in any way so "smile and ride".
Owen now sat at home scouring the internet looking at e-bikes 😂😂
This was a good illustration of the difference between a dirt bike and an EMTB. The dirt bike was kicking up rocks and tearing up the trail. In the US, the USFS considers them the same, which is ridiculous.
In the UK, this is a "legal" road .. believe it or not, it's not a trail 👍
Now let's get bike manufacturers to put 155mm or shorter cranks on these things!
Also, Camera Man, help Owen out with his chest strap. Man looks like he's been hit by a bus!
Owen, look up more when you are tech climbing. Look past the obstacle and keep peddling. You will make more climbs. You can see that when your head drops and you look down you get hung up. look ahead, look ahead, look ahead. Great job though!
Btw that’s a good place to take those EBIKE haters with an ebike to them for a ride.
What amazes me is people who still it's think there are just for lesser riders or injured people. They can be used by everyone from beginners to hardcore pros. E-bike hater's are so yesterday. Nothing with MTB's either!
Excellent video guys - great to see the penny drop with the legend that Owen now is, grasp what emtb is all about 😎. Despite all his years of mtb experience, he does look like he’s out on his school holidays biking with auld uncle Steve 😆
Awesome video, one of your best. We were able to pick up so much technique without it being an instructional video. People we know often scoff at us about being on "electric" and yet having ridden them now for 4 years I can honestly say both my wife and myself have more fitness and skill in our 50/60s than we did 35 years ago.
Absolutely fascinating video. So interesting.
Glad you enjoyed it
They are life changing for many people. Reintroducing Mountain biking to those other wise would not do it. Gets people off the couch.
Thanks chaps that was brilliant, one to send to friends to convert to EMTB 👍👍
Awesome to hear thank you!
Cheers
Owen
Steve's unleashed the beast in Owen! 😂 Ive not got an eMTB yet but you guys are definitely selling it to me! Too old and knackered to be doing jumps and drops in bike parks but I love riding up techie climbs on my normal MTB going up steeper even more tech is really appealing! Great film guys 👍
Thank you!
Cheers
Owen
Those Moto riders, need training wheels!
C'mmon.... feet on the pegs, and just keep pace
I have not seen a episode of the best climbing tires for ebikes yet, deff it gotta be worthy.
I live down the road from the Wye valley. My partner and I ride our emtbs here, we can be out for hours and have so much fun climbing up the tech climbs. Great video guys
I've fought the urge to buy an eMTB for a long time. I added one to the quiver recently and WOW it's so much fun especially climbing things that was never possible on the manual bikes. Carrying trail maintenance gear is so easy now. The added weight also makes the downhill stuff even faster. I'm not going to give up riding manual bikes but very glad I added a eMTB for sure.
That's the idea, having fun ,it Traction not just power..
This video has me wanting to go back to some of my most hated climbs and spend a while trying different lines to get up them. Nice one guys 👍🏻
Great Video! very informative for novice riders like me. Information that is understandable, practical and realistic! Thankyou!
Happy we could help! Should we get Owen out on an eBike more often?
Steve is vindicated! And he can use gears. Owen is so eloquently displaying the stoke 😁 even though he needs to learn emtb gears😂😂
Very very good episode - thank you. The best "sales speech" for E-MTB I have seen.
All the right words said 😂👍
I was not thinking that my ordered Santa Cruz bullit is going to be a hero of a machine, capable of bringing me up the steepest trails when I ordered it. But it did and it changed my mind about Mountainbiking as a whole. Now I am actively searching for opportunities to climb trails. A few months ago I thought only about the fireroads to climb up.
I've always enjoyed Stevie's videos. I like the wisdom he has to try and help Owen up the tough climbs due to Owens newby-ness to eBikes......Stevie should be in Sales! I like Stevie showing those GAS Motor heads how to ride!!!!
Excellent video, sums up the fun you can have on an EMTB. Here's a question how much faster is EMTB than standard MTB on a typical enduro race stage? Might be an interesting video
Awesome stuff, genuine excitement and newfound enthusiasm 😃🤘
I get Owen, I had the same reaction when I got to climb a trail on my Relay and it was just so inspiring to push until failure due to my lack of skill 🤣
But the great thing is it can only get better, hankering for a ride now, so sayonara 😅
Fantastic video 👍 You really got across what emtbs are actually about. 😊
Climbing Climbing Climbing that's what desents are for so you can do more Climbing great video 👍
Thanks folks! This video and conversation state my very reason why I enjoy riding my EMTB so much, yes especially on tech climbs
This is exactly why Steve (and now Owen) love riding eMTBs it's great fun!
This is exactly why I bought my eMTB two years ago. I moved near a hill with an awful incline, and I used to feel exhausted climbing it with my acoustic XC bike. Now, I can do it even with my son on a Shotgun.
non ebike vs acoustic. There's no noise.
witnessing the birth of a new addiction for Owen 🤣
Completely - so so so so much fun!
Cheers
Owen
I love seeing people who might not quite get e-bikes ride them and completely get it. Happen to all of us at one point. I actually like climbing now.
Great show chaps👍
I love this episode, one of the best imo ;) Keep going guys
I loved seeing the Motorbikes at the end. I come from the motorcycling adventure riding and am getting in eMTB. This is EXACTLY what I imagined. A really good episode and is inspiring me to try some of my old motorbike trails. Cheers!!
Thank you!
Again, great content! Bringing the focus back to the fun of the whole thing.
That's what it's all about!
Best video you've ever made! Thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Did Owen have upper body armour on?
Good on him
🙏
No armour just a Camelbak 👍
Always love natural trails🫶🏽
I’m inspired to go ride the local janky, eroded tech gnar trail
Do it!
Preaching to the converted 😂😂
That routes way harder in the wet 😂
One of the best videos I’ve ever seen on this channel. Owen is no longer an ‘E’ virgin 💯👌
ha ha ha quite!
cheers
Owen
I love climbing almost as much as downhill on the ebike.
Other than that, the adventure aspect is incredibly fun, just like when you first started riding
Few comments regarding motor power and clutches, or lack there of i assume from non emtb riders?…….The motor deploys power relative to input if you need to “feed” the power in use less pedal pressure, if you struggle with over run or over torque BACKPEDAL and it switches off.
Earlier in year hurt arm it got worse in June after X-ray found out got Arthritis Tendinitis which in Summer Holidays I can’t take Full Suspension Ebike off road also got Dizziness twice now so stopped me ride Ebike for a week
Thanx for the laughs in the times of doom.
The Art of Climbing
It's a tricky one!
Thanks for the video, though you're still wrecking all that great production on any screen bigger than a postage stamp.. I haven't even gamed in 1080p for a decade
RUclips uploads the video at lowest resolution first then steps up. As soon as a video is released often you won’t get more than 480/720 until RUclips finally processes the 1440/4k options.
That is true but yes this video was uploaded in 1080p so no 4k option 👍
An eMTB is just amazing!!!! Depending on the model you have, you can cover great distances!!!!
Would have been nice if you touched on a cash buyer strategy vs financing said townhouse. I'm fortunate enough to be able to buy something cash to let. Still not sure if I would like to go down the route
What video did you watch?
I can almost kinda replicate the Steve Jones Power Wheelie Turn when in real time, but as soon as I try it in slow motion…I fall down. 😂
Steven needs to do one with Blake.
today out on my enduro moto on some techish singletrack i was thinking how sweet the trail would be to tackle on the emtnbike….certainly mtnbike trails in the last decade have been berm’d and jump’d within an inch of their lives…sad really
Love the vid - I love my emtb - means I can stay in the saddle through all my ride . Especially, those techy climbs .
Where is this river bed in the Wye Valley ??
I was planning to get a motorbike, like I had in China, when I moved to Spain two years ago, but I decided to try an EMTB and haven’t looked back. I find it to be the best all-round travel vehicle here, where there are long stretches of paved and unpaved roads to explore with light, mindful traffic. I have been loving the challenge of technical climbs and road climbs have been less of a slog, but technical downhill scares me and I have a problem with my hands, so braking the whole way down just kills me. In the end, technical climbs and road downhill is where it’s at for me and I have been exploring all of my options over here with a great deal of joy!
So you said it guys what can an ebike do that a mountain bike cant do and vica versa
vice vs vica
Did Owen have upper body armour on?
Good on him
Was the pack there for back protection?
Hi - thanks for the question - so no body armour - and the camelbak - was for water, tools, snacks and a spare layer just in case the weather changed!
Cheers
Owen
@@OwenBikeNerd is there a slot to slip spine protection in,just in case
Thanks for taking the time
It’s cold here in winter on the Sunshine Coast in Queensland, Straya
I find tour is pretty powerful. Having strong legs on climbs 💪🏻💪🏻 So I reset my modes.
Eco, tour, tour+, emtb.
Got rid of turbo
Committed to the grind! 💪
Loved it. Question, though, guys: Would/could you do the climbs in this video going downhill?
You certainly can!
@@embn Would you want to, though?
Everyone just puts it in red all the time
FULL POWER!! Although sometime it can cause you to loose grip 😬
@@embn I found the trick is to always keep one finger on your brake levers and to keep peddling and fine tune the output with the rear brake, kind of like riding a 2 stroke dirtbike via the clutch
The extra power on an ebike in that situation is difficult because you dont have a clutch like a dirtbike where you can control the power better.
use your rear brake by dragging it to simulate a clutch or hold n release to get a fan of a clutch when exiting corners
That's one of the complaints with emotorcycles, even more critical with their power.
The motor responds to your input, the clutch is your legs! The only thing to worry about is the over run but you can kill that by back pedaling (on brose motors anyway)
@@JamesGoddard-i7sI wish the over run was tunable, I would like to have the assist connect to a 3 position twist grip .
Imagine how your riding would be if you both just lost weight and got fitter and rode a enduro hardtail with real tyres way better . I do aggree with you Steve that mtb ing has become what i call McDonalds MTB meaning i can go any were round the world and black trails are all pretty much the same which to me is boring and the climbing tracks are just lame . Still enjoy your vids ✌
Get a grip mate you’re completely missing the point here. When you reach retirement age even in tip top shape as I personally am lucky (preparation & timing actually) to possess these machines allow me to climb almost any track. I have been a hater also until a recent hire(thanks hub)@ beacon hill . Simply put the transition carbon relay w/ fauzua 60 I rented from them completely changed my mind. This comes from lifetime dirt bike rider who also rides mtb often
@@luigimassello4357 hey mate i,m not a hater of e bikes and i get the point of the vid which is to sell more ebikes which will happen because people love easy. I am also a long time moto rider and if i want to fast everywere i just ride my moto. I have ridden ebikes and dont like the computer deciding how much power goes to the rear wheel a engine and clutch and gearbox is way better in my eyes.
I,m retired ex pro mtb racer and can easily ride up any mtb track because there easy thats why i make my own tracks think moto hard enduro but on normal mtb my point is why promote unfitt fat people just because of age i,m fitter and stronger now at 54 than i was in my 20s the reason is ebikes make fat people feel fitter buy just opening there wallet but there still fat and unfitt age is bullshit .
Thanks for your comment cheers mate . 😁💪
He’s right, you missed the point completely. An elite level rider might get an mtb up that rock bed once we’ll do it 10 times for fun on emtbs. If you can ride a bike emtbs are insane thats why all the pro’s have them instead of sitting there bitching