Sonic Superstars' BIGGEST Problem
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- Sonic Superstars is a game I waited 6 years for. Despite having an overall positive experience, there's one aspect of this game that I think falls completely flat. Let's talk about it!
This is my first scripted video essay type video, I hope you enjoy it! I plan to make more videos like this in the future, so please let me know what you think in the comments or in the Discord server. Have a good one!
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Giving Sonic bosses invincibility frames was the worst decision.
Sonic Forces is technically Sonic Mania 2 but..... We don't talk about it
Blasphemy! I refuse to believe such things!
Aww, I really like Forces.
@@DSmith3279 No offense to forces fans. I just wanted to point this out
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You have a point there but actually in an interview (maybe(for sure)) Sonic Superstars was Sonic Mania 2 but sometime, they decided on Superstars and took some of the Sonic Mania 2 ideas and put them into Superstars
The reason the bosses are so long, aside from the fact that the Fang and True Final bosses are also long, is probably because Arzest and Sonic Team didn’t want players in multiplayer beating the boss in 10 seconds.
This doesn’t work for trip since its not even multiplayer so they had no reason to make it last so long
@@milescalimar4356 I said that doesn’t make sense as well. But like, it’s the best explanation for the bosses outside of Fang and the Final boss. I assume the reason for their length is maybe because they wanted them to be consistent with the Main Story’s final boss.
The multiplayer was so shoehorned in. There are 47 acts in the game, including Trip's Story and the Final Story. You can't play the Final Story (1 act) or Trip's Story (23 acts) or the character specific acts in the main story (4 acts) with multiplayer, so only 19 of the 47 acts can be played with multiple players. Having only 40% of the game be playable in multiplayer while it was marketed as a huge part of the game kinda sounds like false advertising, and it potentially ruining the bosses is an even bigger crime.
I was legit stuck on the final boss (the Eggman one) for almost an hour bc I thought once your time goes out, you just instantly die. So it led me to taking way more risks than I normally would and I ended up looking up a video and learned time doesn’t matter. Then I beat it on my 3rd try and was mad about it
After completing speed jungle zone, all the levels turn into scrap Brian zone
Solid editing! I agree with most your points about the bosses. I still have PTSD from facing fang during trips story
@@SonicTheory96 Thank you! Agreed that boss is a complete mess lmao
@@SonicTheory96 the fight was the first time I actually tried to skip, like i follow a guide to the letter just to do a weird out of bounds glitch to get to a secret capsule
It's a shame that we never got a fix for this issue. This would have great if it didn't have terrible boss pacing.
To add to the death egg robot vs fang fight since it got me thinking.
Both of these fights share the issue of one mistake equals having to do the whole fight again and that's bad no doubt.
However I would like to add that the death egg fight even with silver sonic takes significantly less time to beat than fang. The death egg robot has a very simple attack pattern too but the difference is that a skilled player is able to almost always land a hit on him and make the fight take less time provided you can take the risk
Another unfortunate fault is that since sonic 2 is a retro game it was made to have lives and continues so a player back in those days had very little opportunities to learn how to hit the boss efficiently, this is no longer an issue in sonic origins so it really showcases how much better that fight is
@@lament5516 Great points! It all just ties back to the idea that you were in control there as opposed to the fang fight. The removal of player agency just makes everything more frustrating and less fun.
Agreed the life and continue system was brutal back then, but with things like emulation and origins it's pretty much obsolete nowadays which greatly improves the experience.
I remembered being stuck in the final boss in the Main Story with Sonic. But when I fought Eggman with Amy, I somehow beat it on my first attempt with her.
But I am not doing Fang’s fight in Trip’s story.
The game didn't want to play fair with the Egg Fortress bosses, so I decided not to either.
I used a cheat engine to give myself god mode lmao.
Thankfully the Last Story boss is actually pretty fun.
This is the best video essay I've ever seen that is so in tune with my exact thoughts on Sonic bosses. I seriously hope more and more people watch this, what a wonderfully made video mate! Fantastic job!
This was a great video! I think it particularly excelled in the editing and visual representations of ideas such as the ‘the flow state’ you mentioned earlier on in the video. For the talking points you brought up during the video I don’t have much of anything to think about bringing up additionally, because I essentially agree with you on everything… though I would like to touch on a “3rd Method” in regards to taking on the DD Wrecker.
The 3rd method implements one of my favorite segments of the video, when you talked about P.O.P (Player Optimized Pacing). Using Angel Island as an example was an incredible idea and I liked how you actually showed the ways how you can optimize your run through the zone (once again great editing). Especially using the bubble shield to get extra height from hitting the lighting shield under the shifting stairs and then using the mid air ability of that shield to double jump above the tree thus skipping the need to run up the path to the left to get up there (I’ve done the bubble shield height thing but I didn’t even think to use the double jump so I actually learned something too).
The two methods you mentioned each had their risks & rewards. The 3rd method is nothing crazy and I’m sure you knew about it already, but just to say it, there is a way you can attack the boss quickly and also keep your ring count… by utilizing the invincibility monitor that’s placed after you take the tunnel that leads to the boss. If the player is fast enough they can carry that invincibility with them and obliterate both wreckers just before the invincibility runs out (since I primarily play as Sonic, I like to drop dash after bouncing off the invincibility monitor and then use the slight slope to jump up in time). Nothing Earth shattering just something I feel gives further credence to your points that I wanted to share. Again, great video!!! And thanks to all the shout outs that helped make the video come out.
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WE GETTIN ON THE ROAD TO SONIC SUPERSTARS WITH THIS ONE 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
This was a really well made video, and graph chart really puts into perspective how egregiously long and drawn out the bosses in superstars can be, also I wouldn’t call Superstars “Good” I feel like that’s being a bit too generous, I would call it “Ok” at best, it’s just “Ok” worth one Playthrough but not multiple or even revisiting it, I even sold my copy because that’s how bad the game was, but you could argue at least I gave it a chance, you also forgot to mention…
*Arzest*
Sonic Team wasn’t the only ones in charge, there was also Arzest, the same people behind Yoshi’s New Island and Hey! Pikmin! And they don’t have a good track record.
Noice editing. Did enjoy m8.
Ngl, I do like the Fang Final boss when everything is working out in my favor. It’s actually satisfying and fun to fight.
The problem is when things aren’t in my favor, the speed of it being really slow, and how it constantly tries to get in cheap kills in that doesn’t even at least take you back to a checkpoint in the middle of the boss. It gets very annoying and monotonous.
Nice vid man
Cool video. Hope to view more contents.
The boss fights are the sole reason I don't play this game past the first two zones... I shudder at the day I have to record the game and reface Fang and his such bullshit battles
Awesome video!
I had a lot of time fighting the final boss because dying at any point sends me back to the beginning of the fight, which really annoyed me and dragged down the last few bosses of the game. I have not done Trip’s story and with the amount of hatred towards the Fang fight, I’m scared to see what level of unfair bs is waiting for me along that journey.
Nice vid, but its worth noting that Sonic Team did not make Superstars, Arzest did. So a lot of your critiques about Sonic Team wanting to reinvent the wheel dont really apply to Superstars, lol
I DESPISED GOLDEN CAPITAL
I did want to give credit to the first giant whale boss in the first level is actually interesting
I'll give ya a 10 for the entertainment, a 3 for subject at hand, and an 8 for the topic. Overall, good work kid 👍
I want to hear your opinion on which dinosaur is objectively the best one and why it would have survived if it would have been able to parry the meteor that showcased to the universe why it will hold the highest KD in existence(y'know until WWV) video format only 😤
In my case i would honestly die at this part 11:50
I feel the bosses are fine but all 3 final bosses go on to long. And i feel like hitting the boss whenever was not allowed because of multiplayer as this means you need to A redo HP values per character playing or B have an HP value so small 4 people win in like 5 seconds. Multiplayer would break the free flow of being able to hit a boss whenever. Player skill is then hard to judge for 4 people and boss HP being higher is also harder to judge. The final bosses need checkpoints and the game would be fine. Still hoping for a patch that makes the 3 final bosses easier. I have yet to beat Last Story because the rings you get are a bit to random meaning you often lose to RNG. I can't beat that last part because I don't fully get the timing and normally can't even make it to that part in each failed try. If the bosses had more rings and a checkpoint I would be fine.
Playing the game on time attack makes enormous difference, rivals the best of Sonic 2, 3 & Knuckles and Mania. Came so close to being a worthy Mania follow-up just needed some better bossee
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This may be a mad cuz bad claim but i absolutely *HATE* the fang mech final boss with a burning passion that burns more than the lava in that stage. It is by far the most unfair, unnatural, and overly challenging boss in sonic yes it’s harder than eggmanland in my opinion, it’s harder than enjoying classic sonic in forces and it ruined the entire game for me
When is the next podcast ep dropping though 😢
8:32 bro claims to be a sonic fan but doesn't know who King Dragon is 🤣🤭🤣 Great video otherwise
I'm a lifelong Sonic fan who's followed most of the media (aside from the older comics) and I've never once heard of King Dragon. I even did a Google search after reading this post and found absolutely no info about this character anywhere.
I feel like superstars level design is really blocky as well with slopes that feel really slugish
The bosses are definitely the worst part of the game.
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Well I don't really want to buy it but should I?
@@Its_a_me_mario_wahoo If you really like Sonic already, then i think it's worth adding to your collection. But if you're more casual or on the fence about sonic then i'd say no.
Give me a break. Players have complained that bosses in 2D Sonic games have been too easy and too simplistic for decades, and now that they're actually more involved, everyone's whining.
yeah, getting involved with a process i don't enjoy, takes forever, and can't take at my own pace.
@@SonicntZane So because it's more difficult and you can't breeze through it, that makes it frustrating? Don't you want a challenge?
@@LordExorthese bosses aren't even that difficult.
They just take forever.
You are absolutely right.
It's why the game is inferior to Mania. The levels themselves are enjoyable, but the Boss battles are an incredible chore and honestly makes Superstars have some of the worst pacing I've seen in a Sonic game. I beat the game with Eggman and honestly that fight was so long, brutal and unrelenting, I never wanted to go through it again. (Lord help me when I get to Fang as Trip....) None of the bosses were particularly creative or fun and really broke the groove of the game.
Superstars was okay, but it's honestly by far my least favorite Classic Sonic. Better than 4, but not by much.