Dog DNA testing kits: How accurate are they? (Marketplace)
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- Опубликовано: 2 мар 2023
- Curious about what breed your dog is? You're not alone. Dog DNA testing kits are soaring in popularity. Marketplace recruits several dogs and puts four companies to the test to see which ones are worth the cost and most accurate.
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If you got your dog off the street in a random asian village do you really think he'll have a purebred ancestor? I think people forget (don't know?) that breeds are a modern human invention, dogs didn't start out separated into breeds and start mixing up themselves
True. I see your point. For example, the two dogs from Asia surely have more unknown history than most modern breeds.
with the street dogs you adopt from turkey etc, there are NO purebred dogs on the streets going back centuries, every dog is a mutt... i'm not sure what someone would expect to find in getting a DNA test for a street dog like that, but getting "village dog" is not a disappointing result
exactly
Agreed. Marketplace owes Embark an apology for disrespecting their results. They were as accurate as Embark’s Great Dane results. Embark was 3 for 3 here.
100%.
They don't even qualify as mutts because their lineage isn't connected to any dog breed. They're dogs that were never selectively bred by humans to have any specific traits other than being healthy and friendly around people. It's super cool.
So true, Every world region has its own "village dog." They have their own value and are true examples of "survival-of-the-fittest."
This takes a bit of science to understand what's going on. When they do breed testing, they don't sequence each dog's entire genome, they just sequence a number of spots along the DNA called single nucleotide polymorphisms or SNPs, which are random spots along the genome that may or may not have a mutation and they don't match any specific trait like fur color or size or anything like that. SNPs are useful because they're not under any kind of selective pressure, they just vary randomly, like a fingerprint written in binary code, and that means they're better at showing how related different breeds are. So what they have is like looking at a secret binary language or encryption that you need a cipher to figure out. When they gather DNA from known breeds they are building a cipher for that specific breed. Embark and Wisdom Panel have been competing for both the number of breeds (ciphers) they have and for how much DNA they test (SNPs) and that number varies year to year so I couldn't tell you which is better right now. Wisdom generally has more breeds and Embark more SNPs normally so that's why they can each claim they're "the best." They're looking at different metrics. The more SNPs a company tests, the more reliable the test results are, and the more dog breed ciphers they have, the more likely they are to pick up a rare breed instead of confusing it for a different breed. If they are missing a cipher, as Wisdom is with village dogs, then it's more likely for the DNA secret code to match the wrong cipher. They used to just categorize this as "unknown" DNA. My mutt dog is 50% unknown breed with Wisdom and 10% unknown with Embark but I tested her years ago.
One point of confusion I saw was where the breed didn't match an AKC breed. The AKC doesn't have every single breed in the world on the list, just the breeds that people in the US own and show in their dog shows. So if you adopt an international stray dog, it's more likely to not match up with a familiar breed. All of the breeds we have in the world come from humans selectively breeding dogs together to get those breeds. But in some rural parts of the world, there are groups of dogs that have been breeding together naturally for thousands of years. They're dogs without a breed. They're not even mixed breeds because they don't share recent ancestry with any purebred dog. They're just village dogs as Embark showed. That's really cool by itself, these pet owners have dogs that aren't a breed or a mixed breed, they're village dogs and that's something unique.
Another misconception I saw was when the owners were noting that their dog looked nothing like the breed predictions. For their dogs, it was because the breed was actually wrong since they were village dogs. But with mixed-breed dogs in general, it's pretty random what traits they get from their parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents. You can have a dog that is 10% chihuahua and weighs 90 ibs and looks nothing like a chihuahua. You can have a dog that is half xolo and it has a full coat of hair because it got a hair gene from its other parent.
This comment should be pinned! You explain SNPs super well. I want people to pay extra attention to the part about a dog not looking like a breed despite having that breed in it. Saying "uhh my dog clearly has fur!" in response to hearing its part xolo is kinda silly. Its kind of like saying "This man cant be my grandpa because hes blonde and my hair is brown"
Very cool info! thanks for the insight!
There are coated Xolos. The gene exists naturally within the breed. It is people that selected against it, something that is done less and less as people realize the health impacts of doing so.
CBC failed to mention that the Xoloitzcuintle has both the hairless and coated variety in the breed. When two hairless dogs breed, 33% of the litter will still be born with a coat.
I’m extremely disappointed in this broadcast. Embark was 3 for 3 here and your reporter misrepresented this information. The village dog results were indeed accurate and Embark’s response/explanation was valid. The reporter clearly didn’t comprehend the explanation and instead of getting further clarity he dismissed it. He also allowed the owners of the village dogs to walk away disappointed and equally misinformed. Marketplace owes Embark an apology.
Totally agree.
@@arsboibtch1805 , the human DNA came back as ‘failed test’ for Embark so they got that result right as well.
A 100% village dog purebred? Lmao, they are clearly mixed
@@samw7073 , the ones that come back 100% village dogs aren't crossed with kennel club recognized breeds (or rather have less than 5% recognized breed in their DNA). Their genetics are so consistent however and specific to their areas, their DNA can often indicate the regions they're from. DNA analysis can distinguish over 20 different 'types' of village dogs, i.e. Southeast Asian Village Dog vs Arabian Village Dog vs West African Village Dog, etc.
@@samw7073 naming something "village dog" is just that, clarifying that it is not a particular breed, but only a type of dog.
The village dog results were actually accurate? You've got 2 imported pariah dogs--neither is going to contain recognizable percentages of "official" breeds.
This broadcast should have explained the difference between a breed and a landrace. The adopted dogs are landraces, which EmBark appeared to correctly identify (I'm not a customer nor plan to be). Dog breeds are relatively modern categories created by inbreeding and marketing. You never know with a landrace, but quite possibly they will be healthier dogs with longer lives.
Does it make you feel 'taken' that you didn't see what you wanted even though the taxpayers paid 1.2 billion for this crap?
The village dogs will be healthier bc they're literally years and years of natural selection.
@@jlh2737Likely thousands of years.
I think Embark nailed it on Molly as 100% Arabian Village Dog. If you look them up, it looks a lot like her, which is to say, they look like they have Saluki in their ancestry. According to Embark, the Saluki comes from the Arabian Village dog!
Embark is a trash company
This episode of marketplace was fun but could have been done better. I don't think the owners going "uh uh no way" and "village dog isnt a real breed!" is a good indication of a tests accuracy. I do like that you spoke to a geneticist who is a specialist in dogs I just wish we were able to hear extensively her opinion on each result in detail. It also would have made for a very interesting video if you took the opportunity to ask her about things like the pit-bull apartment ban or her opinion on the village dog results.
Also when comparing the results of companies, I don't think you should change the order half way through. It makes it hard to follow and I actually thought embark gave the 100% chihuahua result and one of the non 'test-failed' results. Im actually reassured to see that at least one of the companies is at least consistent.
Yeah, being only able to listen to this episode almost makes me consider not using Embark. It's so expensive. But I'd like to figure out what the other half of my girl's breeds are so that I can help her learn and play better.
Yes, Embark proved to be highly accurate throughout the whole video. Marketplace has done Embark a disservice with the way they presented the results and by being so dismissive of the company's explanation of the village dog results.
@@mayrobinson9086 Yeah I can't blame the average dog owner for not understanding how gene tests and dog geaneology works.... but they litterally went all the way to boston to talk to a LEADING EXPERT on this topic (who has her own dog DNA test called darwins ark btw!) and didn't bother getting her to go into detail on how these tests come about?
This is my problem with a lot of 'journalism'. They 'do their own tests' and 'just present the facts' so they say but are reluctant to ever give actual scientists a voice. Its one thing when its something that is just for fun like dog breed genetics, but it becomes increasingly frustrating to the point of irresponsible and dangerous when it comes to more important topics like health and industry projects.
I would not agree that village dog is a bad result. It definitely shows the region of origin, and it could mean something for someone adopting a dog with no history. But knowing the exact breed would be better for sure.
The ancestry of village dogs usually pre-dates the existence of pure-bred dogs since the majority of pure-breds weren't created until about the last 200 years. It's entirely likely then for the village dogs tested here to not have any kennel club recognized breeds in their lineage. That doesn't make the Embark tests inaccurate. Marketplace should have gotten clarity on Embark's valid explanation rather than discounting it as B.S. Below is from a recent post by Embark on a different social network:
"When we identify a dog as a Village Dog, it's not because we can't figure out what breeds are in the dog. Village Dogs are free-ranging, free-breeding dogs whose ancestors were indigenous to a geographic area. In effect, they are the descendants of the founding population of dogs in a region. Although they are not recognized by kennel clubs, they are indeed a breed of dog."
Hopefully the owners of the 2 participating village dogs did a little more digging themselves so that they could understand that their results should not have been disappointing and were likely as accurate at the Great Dane's results from Embark.
There may not be any breed. Purebred dogs were selectively bred from village dogs like those, not the other way around.
@@caslandry2847 Something the great dane show people didn't understand ...
So wait. The first two dogs are from out of the country in areas where naturally forming village dogs are common? I would be more trusting of those results. My main concern are the health panels when I DNA test my dog and the relatives that pop up. I have a Purebred German Shepherd and I Embark tested him mainly for the health portion.
DNA and genetics are a fickle thing and they are complex. I looked up both type of village dog and the first two dogs in this video resemble them a lot. So I would do more research on where you got your dogs from before writing off the possible village dog ancestry. If they came from areas where that type of dog is prevalent, then it can be safe to say those results are probably the best fitting to your dog.
The disregarding of the street dog result feels weirdly ignorant of other cultures/Geographics of domesticated dog. Good for Embark if they're doing the work to learn about something as undocumented as street dogs from the middle east. If you had done a test on a stray adopted from the US, you might actually pick up those registered breeds. The dogs came from Kuwait and Istanbul, this feels like sloppy reporting. What percent of the population adopts rescues that aren't local?
You are correct on the sloppy reporting. Embark provides quite a bit of information on their website regarding their village dog results and research. However, for a national broadcast, perhaps a member of the reporting team should have spoken to an expert at Embark who could provide more detailed information to share with the viewers.
I did the Embark test and they didn't ask for a photo as part of the test.
Once you get the results you can add photos of your dog to Embark. One of the things I like is getting updates of dogs with similar DNA and similar breed types to my dog.
The two dogs came from outside the western world and they were surprised they didn't belong to the American or Euro kennel club. Duh...If they only have a handful of those breeds of dogs to compare it to, they're not going to have the best results. The fact that it placed the region is impressive all by itself. These guys just clearly don't understand how it works.
When people ask what kind of dog mine is, I just say "A Good One!".
Pawfect answer! I love it!
My favourite breed.
I will say village dog or 100 percent dog!
Just to set the record straight, Embark makes it 100% transparent in their DNA results that village dogs aren't a breed whatsoever. It's more of a generic grouping of Dogs that have ancestry that pre-dates modern purebreds.
AKA "Super Mutts"
Embark and all these dog dna companies are money grabs. Avoid
@@michellewei7349 actually no. Supermutts are dogs whose DNA is made up of many mixes of specific dog breeds whereas the village dogs' lineage isn't from mixes of specific breeds. Instead, village dog bloodlines are essentially village dog x village dog going back to dogs that pre-date modern breeds.
I have used it on a few days pure and mixed and its always been accurate. I used embark
the problem with this study is that you picked two breedless village dogs rather than mutts from the shelter. embark is the only dna company that tests for village dogs.
if you had used two shelter mutts instead, embark and wisdom panel would have had almost identical results.
I had two mutts tested that I got at different shelters in the city I live in. One had 12 breeds identified by Wisdom Panel and 5 breeds by Embark. Embark did not list any SuperMutt for that dog. The other had 10 breeds listed by Wisdom Panel and Embark listed 2 breeds with an additional 3 breeds listed under SuperMutt. The major breeds listed were the same with the exception of a mismatch of Dutch Shepherd and Belgium Malanois. The percentages of the primary breeds were higher on Embark. The Embark family trees are useless after looking at relatives. The family tree listed in Wisdom Panel are not very good but their excuse was the breed needs more than 12% to show up in the family tree. It appears Embark just folded the minor breeds into the major breeds. All the extra SNPs Embark uses seem to match many breeds making it harder to identify minor breeds. I used Embark's compare feature against hundreds of dogs to come to this conclusion. Breed specific SNPs that only match one of a few breeds compared to a larger number of pure bred dogs would appear to give better results. Both a large number of SNPs that are compared to a large database of purebred dogs would be ideal but it appears Wisdom Panel chose comparing to more dogs and Embark chose comparing more SNPs. That said, I think both did a better job than my DNA test did identifying where my ancestors came from.
Embark was the most accurate. Village dogs have been mixing it up and/or self-selecting for such a very long time, back before so many of the breeds that might get to contribute some DNA to them from time to time or not. They were able to understand where the dogs came from, it appears.
AccuMetrics wasn't accurate and doesn't appear to consider accuracy or even DNA testing to be an important part of their program for determining any contributing breeds. The name they chose for their company must just be an inside joke....
Its amazing that they can do the whole village-dog thing. Streetdogs will never have one or two purebred dogs in them. They are unique.
What was cool was that they got the regions correct on both dogs.
"What kind of dog is she" She is a good dog! Super Mutt! I used Embark, I really liked the results, they were very accurate. The traits showed themselves as my dog grew. The 7% boxer explained why she was not filling out, her speed, her bounciness, her long legs. When people still try to decipher her breed, I just agree with them and say, Maybe!
11:44 I laughed out loud 🤣🤣🤣 Didn't expect that🤣🤣
Embark clearly won. Molly came from the Middle East. She was identified as a Middle Eastern Dog. Same with Loki. West Asian Village Dog is precisely what he is. Embark is clearly the winner with the largest database.
That last part was hilarious 😂you prank the company hood😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Embark said our labrador is a boxer/german shepherd mix and I laughed and laughed 🤣
I have paid for Embark twice. On sale, in the US, it cost me $175 total for one test. You do not have to provide a picture unless you want to. It's definitely not a scam-- they were able to pick up on my dog's hind dew claw without ever seeing a picture of it. For my second time around, I provided no pictures, and coat color, coat texture, body size, etc were all correct.
If you have a shelter dog where you don't know their history, it's nice to get a sense of what the dog's parents might be. Usually with a shelter dog, their past is a mystery so it's nice to know. In addition, knowing what they are at risk for genetically does help. For one of my dogs, they told me he's at risk of intervertebral disc disease because of his short legs so it was important to make sure he wasn't jumping off of high surfaces. Anyway, I'd do Embark again!
That’s weird for my almost purebred Shih Tzu Cocker Spaniel (I have the lineage from a reputable breeder), it gave me 5 breeds, including chihuahua and super mutt.
I've done tests on 3 shelter dogs (2 in which I provided no information beforehand) and they've all been close to accurate when comparing their physical traits to their proposed mix of breeds. Though, they were off on the weight. Hope that help determining if your results are reliable!
@@warpony123 LOL That's not a purebreed by any standards. And any breeder who produces these types of mix breeds and asks for money for them if far from reputable.
I'm so annoyed by their scorn for embark saying village dogs. They don't have recognizable breeds in them!!! That's why the other tests are inaccurate!!! Your dog is a mutt so far back you can't even say a breed mix. Those are the best dogs in my opinion.
Im considering doing embark. Not for the breed specifics but because one of the panels they offer tests for genetic markers that are an indication of genetic and in some cases degenerative health issues. I recently adopted a puppy and would like to know what he's predisposed to so we can prevent and mitigate
My embark results were very accurate and my dog was at least 6 breeds.
Molly being a rescue from
Kuwait likely is a village dog from Arabia (modern day Kuwait). So I think they got it spot on!
I have 3 Russian Blue cats and I got them at 6 weeks old from someone giving them away for free. I don’t care if a test said that they were aliens because they are my girls and they are great cats. We actually found homes for all 3 but I canceled their adoptions when I saw that they were always sleeping together all snuggled up and hanging around each other. Not getting them adopted was one of the best decisions I ever made.
Great video. I recently adopted a dog and was considering getting a DNA test to determine what breed. After watching this video and several others, however, I changed my mind. Thanks for saving me money.
Embark is very accurate, though and this video is misleading. They put two dogs on the test that were not standard American Kennel club dogs and it still got the region right. Clearly, it worked.
I did wisdom panel about 5 years ago. My dog came back as half shiba inu, which I think is correct based on the rescue group I got her from. The other part was miniature poodle (no way) and eskimo dog. The reason I did it is because she looks like a border collie (def not) and I got tired of people assuming that she was. At that time they didn't ask for a photo or any traits.
We actually have a Shiba Inu / Miniature Poodle. It's what the rescue told us and what Embark claims as well
@@Krfxoia Interesting! Does your dog look poodle like? My dog is 40lbs which is bigger than both breeds. For reference she looks exactly like a Karelian Bear Dog, which I though she might be. And I just realized is my profile pic 😂
@@lin2thez341 There is a good chance someone was trying to create another one of those stubborn doodle dogs and the pups that came out with the hair type of the shiba bred with other shorthair dogs. Many first generation "doodles" come out with wavy or straight hair vs their parents curly poodle coat. Standard poodles can weight 40-70lbs also depending on the gender
@@Kianite0 good to know regarding the curl. She is a smart girl, maybe that’s the poodle.
@@lin2thez341 Both very intelligent breeds. Definitely got the best of both worlds. Very cute pfp!
people are so uneducated about village dogs
Agreed. Marketplace needs to apologize to Embark for dismissing their explanation of those results.
8:42 The test identifies a purebred Great Dane as 100% chihuahua. I can make better guesses than that!
they sent in that chi dna on purpose to see if the tests would catch it and it did. Watch the whole video.
I call mixes the Splendid Blended
I bought one of these tests for my son and daughter-in-law's dog, a genuine mutt we've always been curious about. They were going through a rough, stressful time and I wanted to get them a treat, hence a Wisdom Panel test. Clyde looks like a "one of each" kind of mutt, with character traits of several muscular, very active types. Well, he had a very long list of results, nearly all herding breeds, everything from cattle dog to kelpie to border collie. Then, some oddball things like catahoula hound, American Indian dog, Siberian husky and more. The one thing we all agreed he would be was part Lab, but that wasn't on the list. Anyway, it was a very long list and highly entertaining, so I think for them it was worth it. I won't tell them it's probably baloney - same as the "nationality" ones for people. 😂
13:18 . . .EXACTLY‼️
Just love your dog.😁
I used one called Feragen for my small mutt from Romania. They were pretty honest about the fact that she was extremely mutty, but gave me the top 5 "highest percentage of matching breeds" for her mutt segment. 4 out of 5 breeds were large dogs (my dog looks like a long haired miniature pinscher), but they explained her size with her great grandparents breeds: Toy Poodle (12.5%) and Pekingese (12.5%). Would never blindly trust this result, but I appriciate their honesty in how inaccurate the test could be.
I also feel like some people need to understand that some breeds aren't as old as others. So claiming there's other dog's DNA in there can make sense as they could an ancestor to the breed.
I have done about 10 DNA my dog tests on my personal and foster dogs. I never give photos, or suspected breed information. All of them including the pure breeds have come back as reasonable .
which testing services did you use?
@@coreysue3451 DNA my dog from Canada
@@rpk1519 thanks!
DNA my Dog listed my husky mix as greyhound/lab. He's DEFINITELY not that. We didn't send any photos either.
WOW. I had always wanted to DNA test my last dog, who was a mixed breed, but I never felt I could afford the cost of the kit. Now I'm so glad I never did! I felt suspicious as soon as it was mentioned here that these companies ask for a photo of the dog. What would be the need for that if they're testing the sample for genetic information? Quinn's Chihuahua result sums up the answer for me.
I did embark and never submitted a photo, it’s not required. And I’m impressed with the results, without submitting a photo the results were what I was expecting
@@kktypescript2137 same!
Same, Embark does not require a photo. I submitted one photo of my dog and no photos from my other dog. For the dog with one photo, they were able to pick up things that I didn't include in the photo, like his short legs and hind dew claw. For the other dog with no photo submitted, they knew his coat color, body size, etc. So, not a scam. It costs me $175 total for 1 breed id +health test in the US (it was on sale)-- much cheaper than what CBC paid for theirs.
I used Wisdom Panel (no connection) for my dog. He is a rescue and was sold to me as a German Shepherd. I have had German Sheps all my adult life and I strongly suspected he was a Malinois cross. His results came back as 62% GSD and 38% Malinois. I did not provide any information to the company (no photo or details about him at all). I was very happy with the accuracy of the results. I wonder if the results are more accurate when there are less mixes of different breeds?
Mine was very precise with 6+ breeds. Two of these dogs came from outside the western world where they don't have Kennel club dogs, so I'm guessing it was very difficult to place two of the dogs.
Sorry but I do not think your reporting on this is accurate. I did not have to give any info or a picture...and they knew my dog breed ( she is a purebred) ...even down to her coat color and fur length.
I thinking testing street dogs from places like Turkey and Kaote would make it harder. I am sure those dogs are very very mixed. Hard to pinpoint anything . I would have liked to see the whole test.
So what test did you use
These dogs are very mixed breed
Yes, the village dog results were in fact quite accurate. Their bloodlines pre-date most purebreds so of course their DNA isn’t indicating known (or rather, kennel club recognized) breeds in the results.
@@derbyjakemalazarte8973 She had to have used *Embark* because they ask for no info about your dog at all.
To help test these companies' tests, would have been curious if a photo of a different dog was sent with each sample so they couldn't guess based on the look of the dog.
That's what they did with the Great Dane. They sent a picture of a Chihuahua.
What a bunch of bullcrap. If they just based it upon a picture then that's all sham!
@@coolgamers2794 Exactly. It seems as if most of those companies are just making stuff up and not actually testing the saliva swab that's sent in.
@@coolgamers2794 you don't have to include ANY photo, you can include it tho. Some dude in the comments said that they did two tests for two dogs. One with photo one without. Even though they had photo they got the details that weren't in the photo and got his "lineage" correct. About dog without photo. They got right lineage, coat color, size etc. They are REALLY accurate, and this video is straight up defamation.
Breed testing for mixed breeds is purely for entertainment value and should not be conflated with genetic health testing. While genetic health testing is not perfect, it is much more helpful than breed testing and where the tests have been properly validated, very accurate and helpful in reducing the risk of genetic disease. Reporters should have made it clear that the issues they raise are relevant to breed testing, not health testing which has very a different basis. Identifying disease risk is based on identifying a specific mutation that has been shown to cause disease in a breed or breeds, or identifying a sequence that is in very close proximity to the part of the genome that causes the disease. Sorting out breeds is not based on a specific sequence but rather many, many sequences throughout the genome, and correlating the results with known dogs in the database. Not sure where they got the price of $288 for embark but you can do Embark breed testing for less than that if you want to waste your money on breed testing.
You needed to have a genuine first x from pedigree parent dogs in the doggy test aswell.
Awww. I had a GD named Quinn. I miss her so much.
embark is amazing, best dog dna testing ever
Just as accurate as DNA Ancestry for humans! (regarding location and potential health issues)
And consequently the genetic ancestry of human populations around the world are biased by the pre scientific, colonial era derived, biblically influenced model of history that was used to determine what reference populations were chosen as original and unmixed
Im waiting for results from Embark for my two dogs at the moment. I chose them because they had the largest selection of breeds that they test for, including a less-common one that I suspect to be a factor in one of my dogs. (The rescue that took her in was *told* she was a purebred pomeranian from a legit breeder but she is clearly too big to be one. I suspect at least part of her dna to be a larger spitz cousin.)
My other dog is supposedly 3/4 shih tzu and 1/4 japanese chin, and while her mother definitely looked like she could be a mix of the two, my little girl has some wild colouring that doesnt really match either of those breeds. I'm just curious what else might be in there.
My other reason for choosing embark was because they gave the option for health testing. My dogs are both seniors now, so I wanted to know if there was anything in particular i needed to keep an eye out for.
This video was a bit misleading, but reading the other comments here about the "village dog" results helped me a lot. I'm actually more excited to see my embark results now, since they seemed to be by far the most accurate. I was prepared to mostly be amused by the results I got, but now I'm genuinely curious to see what it says
I think they needed another control of a dog with a known mix. I know what my dog’s mix is so it’ll be interesting to see if any of them get it.
Now do dog allergy or sensitivity tests & companies. This is something that dog owners who have dogs with allergies *need* to know.
Awesome! This is great! Thank you for doing this
What of you guys uploaded a photo of another purebred dog that was not of yours like for great Dane but uploaded a photo of a corgi? For example
Where I live most apartment complexes do not accept several breeds or DOGS WHO LOOK LIKE THE BREEDS they don't accept, regardless if you have done DNA testing.
Where are these prices coming from? The breed test is only $129 for Embark but it's usually on sale $20 off. Wisdom's test is $80. I've purchased both recently.
hey, how did you like them in comparison to each other?
Fascinating I don't think I will be spending my money on this
Mutts are the best looking dogs always performing with huge gratitude from the bottom of their hearts ! 🐶💗🐕💗
On the next Marketplace...Travis comes out as furry shows up to work in a fursuit.
It works in the same way as many human dna tests. Two completely unrelated breeds can share the same or similar alleles the same as two completely unrelated humans can
Well I guess my dogs breed is 100% Kevin and my best friend , love you buddy ❤
I believe the tests and results will get better soon
Molly sheds a lot = part lab, I did my dog’s DNA and I think it was accurate. 3 different breeds and I see it in him. Wisdom Panel
When in doubt, Village Dog.
This was hilarious! Great Dane as a chihuahua
@12:36 Yes, be can he sit-stay and is he crate trained? Who's been a good boy?
We had a dog we were fairly sure was Malamute, Husky, Akita and Chow and suspected a small bit of Border Collie.
So we took two tests. Embark and Orivet.
Embark said they were Malamute, Husky, Akita, Chow and Supermut(consisting of GSD, Border Collie and Collie).
But Orivet said Malamute, Husky, Dutch Shepherd, Karelian Bear dog, McNab and Brussels Griffin(on both sides!) 🤣
Now, the Dutch Shepherd is possible as the dog's grandmother could pass. Maybe the bear dog, too. But definitely not Brussels Griffon and on both sides. I'm guess that must have been cross contamination. How silly.
the owners already had a prejudiced expectation…that’s what they’re paying for... pure entertainment. like you go to expensive salons for the lip service. The village dogs are most accurate.
Awsome
I used Embark on my rescue dog who is comprised of 50% of a specific breed we already suspected - she looks like a 20lb Yorkie - mixed with 31% Australian Shepherd (which despite its name originated from the US) and the rest super-mutt. Funnily enough, the super-mutt portion had Treeing Walker Coonhound, German Shepherd, and Chihuahua counted among it. I was satisfied with the results and right now just waiting on the results of my new stray puppy. I’m kinda curious what Wisdom Panel would say for the two.
The best answer to "what kind of dog is that?" when you have no clue: "Pure bred Mutt!"
I did wisdom panel for my dog (grain of salt with any test) mostly for the health risk assessment.
Send me one of these tests because I want to see what kind of dog I am... or maybe I'll just do one of those buzzfeed quizzes to save money.
What was the host result? Chihuahua too?
Some people care about the breed they are getting because they need the dog to perform a certain task. Breeds are not just physical traits but behavioral as well.
Thank you for this video! I have a purebred, papered border collie with lineage that can be traced back, and I always debated these tests because I've heard they can identify potential health problems. I was never sure how legit these tests are. Now, I'm gonna pass and just hope for the best. Thank you!
You can get specific testing thru your vet for that.
The health testing is something separate. They don't even look at the same sections of DNA. Breed testing uses non-coding DNA and health testing is looking for specific recognized genes that have been linked to health issues. Embark partners with Cornell Veterinary School for its health testing and it is reliable for the genetic health issues it looks at. I'm not sure how reliable the gut health and oral health tests are, that's something new. And the weight prediction they make is definitely inaccurate, my dog is 20 ibs smaller than her DNA says she should be.
Do it, you might even find out your purebred BC is actually a french bulldog!😂
They are our fur babies 💖
Not even 1 of these tests had the same results ? that is so strange. you would think that at least 2 would have matching results.
If you google Arabian village dogs they look exactly like her
I'd flip if my Great Dane's "confirmed" to be a Chihuahua..
Thats the biggest chihuahua ive ever seen 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I did embark, wisdom panel and dna my dog on my dog. Embark and wisdom panel had the exact same results were as dna my dog did not have any of the same
I had a mixed breed dog that i rescued. If someone asked me what kind of dog was she, I would answer, "She is All-American".
Never send a photo of your dog to these companies. Some will guess from the photo what your dog may be.
That love you felt so devoid of love and emotions. Id guess that could be because these dog shows and training dogs in general are so stressful.
The fact that these companies are asking for a picture + information is total b/s. So disappointing I wanted to find out what my dog is 😢
So is there any test we can go to. Or are they all flawed.
Figured I would throw a wrench in the works here, if it was a true D.N.A. test then in the case of the Great Dane you would or should be finding Irish wolfhound,Greyhound,bohur hound, point being with some 200 give or take registered pure breed dogs, they are all from focused breeding practice over a couple hundred yrs. of "selective" breeding, usually with a definite purpose, ask a herder.
We need a Brazilian “caramel” street dog to be tested and see if it will come up as “Brazilian village dog” 😂
As an Asian......This so called "West Asian Village Dog" name somehow remind me a spice called "Tugou (土狗)" aka......"mix breed"(the literal translation of this Chinese word)
.....Or as some experts like to call it , the "Chinese Pastoral Dog"
........so embark seems are just calling dogs they don't really know what spices is , a mix , in a "smarter sounding" word.
"taking it all with a grain of salt"
like seeing a psychic to read your fortune, or possible Human DNA ancestry tests
It’s almost like none of the dog parents know how dog DNA works. All dogs have like 99% the same DNA and different breeds have markers for things like hair color, hair type, hair texture, eye color, weight etc that would be specific to their breed. They then take that and compare it against their sample size of dogs they have already tested and…well they guess.
I got my two dogs and my son's dog tested by Wisdom Panel. After seeing this video curiosity got the better of me and I got my two dogs tested by Embark. I thought this video was very unfair to the DNA test prior to getting my two dogs tested by Embark. My conclusions are based on comparing Wisdom Panel and Embark results for my two dogs which are mutts. I expected a lot of Super mutt in both results. Embark has many more features than Wisdom Panel which is really their downfall. Embark has an inbreeding test that shows each chromosome. Embark shows the chromosome for any dog I find that I want to compare my dogs to. I took the Wisdom Panel chromosome results, flipped them sideways and resized to match up with the Embark results and inbreeding results. Embark believes my dog Opal has one parent that is a Labrador retriever. This allowed them to keep the chromosomes in phase by showing 100% lab on one side of each chromosome. Embark does not list any Super Mutt in Opal and they list just four other breeds. Embark showed Opal to just have five breeds and Wisdom Panel showed Opal to have twelve breeds. I looked at the relatives given by Wisdom Panel and Embark. Opal has what appears to be a half sister on Embark that is shown as 50% Labrador and 50% Weimaraner. Embark also shows haplotypes for the mother and father. (Only males will show the father.) The apparent half sister did not share maternal DNA with Opal but did share 30% DNA according to the match. This made me tend to believe that Embark was the better test. Then I looked at the chromosomes of Opal's full brother and full sister. I believe them to be full brother and full sister even though the family tress for all three are quite different. The maternal DNA matches for all three and the relationships were about 50% with a lot of full matches witch should only happen with full siblings dogs that share the same ancestors on both sides of their family tree. Opal has a sister on Wisdom Panel too. When I compare the chromosomes for all of them it appears that Wisdom Panel does a much better job. I cannot make any sense out of Embarks results because the Lab appeared to be mixed with Pit Bull for one sibling and Dutch Shepherd for the other. None of the family trees match. I can see on close examination of Wisdom Panel that they sometimes get the parent phase reversed on individual chromosomes but it does not appear that they just made the family tree in advance of drawing the chromosomes like it appears Embark did. The relative finder for Wisdom Panel is much better than for Embark because it list all the relatives and the percentages of relationship are more believable. Embark shows only five dogs that appear to be related to Opal and 25 that appear to be first cousins by relationship percentage. I used all the supposedly related labradors and five more from the twelve example labradors Embark shows and could only fill about a 75% match to Labrador. Wisdom Panel showed Opal has 47% Labrador and has Labrador on both sides of her family. Looking at the relative I estimate the mother had about 12% Lab which would put the Father at about 82% Lab. It appear the 100% Lab that Embark showed as one parent was only 75 to 85 percent Lab. I used the compare feature and lined up the matches on many breeds. Wisdom Panel does not use SuperMutt but they do mark the unknown regions of the chromosomes different that where they made a breed call. I found the Wisdom Panel Chromosome to be pretty accurate in most places other that occasionally having the data out of phase. I found chromosome 25 on one parents side where Wisdom Panel did no make a breed call to be Alaskan Malamute. Embark called it German Shepherd even though I could only find a little bit of German Shepherd match at the beginning of the chromosome. Embark also called the Akita that Wisdom Panel Correctly identified German Shepherd. Opal only had 1% inbreeding but half the placed where Embark showed inbreeding showed different breeds for the parents. What I found using the compare feature is the extra markers that Embarks claims makes them more accurate actually match a multitude of breeds. It is not surprising that inbreeding shows as different breed when the same markers can represent so many breeds. Embark has many more features but at the end of it all Wisdom Panel gives better results for mutts. My other dogs Honey turned out to be 28% inbred. Honey showed ten breeds on Wisdom Panel. She showed two breeds on Embark and 3 more listed under Supermutt. Embark appear to just ignore minor breed and fold the matching data into the primary breeds. Honey had so much inbreeding that it made it easy to see that Wisdom panel had the more consistent results. The breeds generally matched on both side where the inbreeding was with Wisdom Panel. I found stuff like Pit Bull matched with Supermutt on Embark but boxer matched with Boxer in the same location on Wisdom Panel. Looking at the chromosomes with Wisdom Panel for Honey showed about 20% unknown for one parent and 12% for the other. I would rather Embark did like Wisdom panel and did not show a breed in the chromosome when they di not know what it was. Embark seem to list all Pit Bull type finding as American Pit Bull Terrier. They appear to fold all the Farm Collie type breeds into either Dutch Shepherd or German Shepherd. They showed Dutch Shepherd where Wisdom Panel Showed Belgium Malanois but those two breeds both consistently showed up in the same chromosome using the compare feature. Opal is solid brown like a chocolate lab so I have no way of knowing which she has more of but relatives on Wisdom Panel show both breeds so Opal's ancestors were probably bred to be a police dogs at one time. Knowing what I know now Wisdom Panel is my choice for a mutt. I liked all the features Embark has and I would probably choose them if I was wanting to get a pure bred dog tested just so I could see how related it was to other breeds and how much inbreeding it had. Ling up all the breeds on a spreadsheet really showed how much overlap there is between breeds and both Embark and Wisdom Panel probably did just as good identifying breeds as my human DNA test did identifying what my ancestors were. I know my family tree to at least great great grandparents on every branch so it is obvious to me that the human DNA test are not very good either. The main problem with Embark appears to be using too many SNPs that match too many breeds. It makes relationships appear much closer than they really are. Because of that all the minor breeds get lost in the mix. Wisdom Panel does not have the features available to see how they ended up with better results so if you really want to know exactly what your mutt is buy both. You can find the minor breed to fill in the unknown spots Wisdom Panel leaves using the compare feature on Embark. Maybe Chewy or Amazon can work out a discount deal for people that want to buy both.
Are there any credible tests
I wonder how is smarter the dogs or the owners ?.
I'm a Professional AKC Husky Breeder with Champion Bloodlines and i wasn't too surprised by these tests. The main secret to using Embark/Wisdom Panel is for professional breeders like myself and that's it since we are the only ones that really need to do them. we use Embark for the health testing and that's it not what breeds are mixed in because i already know my dog is 100% Husky with no doubts going into the test. if your not a professionnal breeder or dog lover these tests are designed for pure bred dogs and so you must have a deep knowledge about all kinds of breeds (mainly the common popular ones) so that you can recognize if the dog your looking at is indeed pure bred. I can see a dog and have a good idea of what breeds are mixed in.
basically if you got your dog at a shelter don't bother with DNA tests but if your looking to buy a pure bred dog and your landlord is asking for DNA test you are better off getting the DNA tests and proof in paperwork from a professional breeder like myself, it's free for you and quicker and less trouble for you aswell since we need to do the DNA test anyway.
Some have to remember too that pure breeds came from mixing already existing breeds and village dogs as well as breeds that no longer exist. Village dog is just a dog who doesn't have any one particular ancestry.
I think as a control, Wolf DNA should have been tested.
Rescue dogs from overseas??
Soooo... if your dog is a purebred and you already know its breed, then a DNA test can confirm what you already knew. Great! 😅🤣
I say get a dog to love and care for them regardless of if you know what breed they are. Mutts are just a loveable as a purebred dog. They probably have less chance if genetic disease because they're not as inbred.
Mutts are extremely smart & much more affectionate.
@@LiliWhyte 💚 My Nan had a mutt who was one of the most loveable dogs. Same as my brother's dog... she was such a great dog!
I have a 100% angel in a body that looks like a corgi