Destiny 2 - WHO IS THE HERALD OF FINALITY? Is It This Legendary Fallen Hero?

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  • Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
  • The Herald Of Finality. One of the bosses in Destiny’s most important raid ever lore wise. Who are they? Why are they randomly placed around the monolith of the Witness as it proceeds toward the Final Shape? Today we discuss and theorize.
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  • @joshuagaskins8863
    @joshuagaskins8863 23 дня назад +274

    It's Randal the Vandal

    • @atheon-
      @atheon- 23 дня назад +11

      it needs to be randal the captain, he ate mario's mushroom

    • @userfromtheinternet
      @userfromtheinternet 22 дня назад +4

      It's either Taniks or Randal the Vandal

    • @MrZylix-6
      @MrZylix-6 22 дня назад +1

      Oh god.

    • @joshuagaskins8863
      @joshuagaskins8863 22 дня назад +1

      @atheon- I mean, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that ol' Randal got a power boost from The Witness.

    • @vaepuer2290
      @vaepuer2290 22 дня назад +3

      Gerald the Herald

  • @smoothtrooper781
    @smoothtrooper781 22 дня назад +51

    Chelchis has to be one of my favorite characters from the lore, the Kell of Stone squaring up to fight Oryx after their Machine God just left and civilization crumbling, that has to take some massive balls

  • @CheezerTheGrate
    @CheezerTheGrate 23 дня назад +233

    I don’t care what anyone says… it’s fucking Taniks

    • @alexpurnomo9136
      @alexpurnomo9136 22 дня назад +1

      Agree

    • @SeizeHerSalad
      @SeizeHerSalad 22 дня назад +3

      Taniks 3.0
      Can't wait for Tanikes 4.3 in episodes 2 when we get Fik daddy back.

    • @CheezerTheGrate
      @CheezerTheGrate 22 дня назад +1

      @@SeizeHerSalad Scaniks, Fikruls Middle Finger

    • @kribo9272
      @kribo9272 16 дней назад

      @@SeizeHerSaladactually Taniks 6.0

  • @TaniksBake
    @TaniksBake 22 дня назад +56

    To shut down any lingering comments: That is NOT Taniks
    -Completely different head and armor shape
    -Herald has 4 eyes (see 0:47); Taniks has 8
    -Herald has organic arms; Taniks has mechanical ones
    -Herald's cloak lacks Taniks' signature design and is shaped differently
    -Taniks' head is still sitting in the tent on europa

    • @PixelBlock1
      @PixelBlock1 22 дня назад +6

      Obviously, it's taniks legs that have been taken slapped onto some random dude. His legs are still MIA.

    • @Kurotaisa
      @Kurotaisa 22 дня назад +2

      At this point Taniks could have his head replaced, given his "Ship of Theseus" body

    • @TaniksBake
      @TaniksBake 22 дня назад +1

      @@Kurotaisa Interesting point!
      Continued identity theory
      This solution (proposed by Kate, Ernest et al.) sees an object as staying the same as long as it continuously exists under the same identity without being fully transformed at one time. For instance, a house that has its front wall destroyed and replaced at year 1, the ceiling replaced at year 2, and so on, until every part of the house has been replaced will still be understood as the same house. However, if every wall, the floor, and the roof are destroyed and replaced at the same time, it will be known as a new house.
      Taniks' head and legs were lost on Europa, so those would have to be replaced if Herald is supposed to be Taniks. His arms were lost at an earlier point, so those would have to be a replacement too.
      The only thing unaccounted for is his Torso. There's no evidence that Herald's torso isn't taken from Taniks' corpse, but there's also no evidence that it is.
      Seems like this whole Taniks = Herald theory would be like saying you have a 2 story house in one place, it gets destroyed and you rebuild a 3 story house in a different place, then claim it's the same house. If we accept the continued identity theory, that is.

    • @TaniksBake
      @TaniksBake 22 дня назад +2

      Also, some observations about how Herald and Taniks fight:
      Taniks will flee and avoid a confrontation whenever possible. When we first meet him in DSC he immediately runs off to the morning star, and only stands his ground once he's cornered in the morning star's control room. The same goes for his boss fight, he's both cornered and no longer has legs to run away with.
      His nightmare hunt is similar and I believe his D1 appearances are the same, altough I haven't played those.
      Herald faces you the moment he lays eyes on you, and even calls you into the middle of his arena to fight him.
      It seems like Herald enjoys the fight and does not seek an alternative, while Taniks withdraws and only fights when he has to or if he has a significant advantage (nukes).
      More facts suggesting they are in fact completely different people.

    • @alexpurnomo9136
      @alexpurnomo9136 22 дня назад

      Or or he could be modified version of randal the vandal

  • @metek8926
    @metek8926 23 дня назад +33

    It’s fascinating there’s a named raid encounter boss with not a lot of lore for them. Hopefully we get more in the future.

  • @isostrike1667
    @isostrike1667 23 дня назад +76

    Another interesting piece of evidence pointing to the Herald being Chelchis is the fact that the track that plays during the fight begins with a sequence of notes that is very reminiscent of music from the Taken King, possibly suggesting that there's some kind of link.

    • @lorddiamond1174
      @lorddiamond1174 22 дня назад +6

      It's part of the taniks theme from d1

    • @isostrike1667
      @isostrike1667 22 дня назад +1

      @@lorddiamond1174 Is it? Honestly it's been a really long time since I played that stuff but I swear I remember it being played in Regicide or some of the other missions, and even if it is, remember Bungie does love their red herrings.

    • @baller302
      @baller302 22 дня назад +4

      That is just the taken king motif, you hear it almost everywhere when taken are involved

  • @Deltadog55
    @Deltadog55 22 дня назад +10

    7:09 actually when looking into the model in blender it is in fact a berserker model just covered in dread parts.

  • @TheAsylumCat
    @TheAsylumCat 23 дня назад +21

    After getting a closer look at his face, he looks like the eliksni equivalent of Griffith to me.

  • @friendlyneighborhoodclown7754
    @friendlyneighborhoodclown7754 22 дня назад +8

    Another thing is all the dread enemies are based of disciples or champions of the witness. We haven't seen what the grim was based off so there still might be another disciple out there.

  • @vulkanviking
    @vulkanviking 22 дня назад +5

    ope, my man's too quick on grabbing those pyramind pickups 👀 7:40

  • @ZenithAstral
    @ZenithAstral 23 дня назад +28

    When I was at this Enconter I did come up with the Idea That it was Chelchis. Didn't expect others to come to the same conclusion.

  • @ricardotolbert1797
    @ricardotolbert1797 23 дня назад +16

    I thought it was just a member of the House of Salvation. I always thought the Kell Echo from Prophesy was Chelchis being taken. If Chelchis was finalized into what we see now? That’s interesting. Also black armory? No that’s augmented plus Kell’s Scourge was absorbed into House of Salvation under Eramis.

    • @Mailman679
      @Mailman679 22 дня назад +7

      The Kell Echo was symbolic of Eramis

    • @bingusaerospace
      @bingusaerospace 22 дня назад +3

      kell echo can pretty much only be eramis because it’s meant to be a literal prophecy of what happens next (e.g. the desert area has sunken portions of the planets that got taken away)

  • @samuelhofer7099
    @samuelhofer7099 23 дня назад +4

    Maybe this being was something of a general. Maybe "Disciple" and "Herald" are terms that are like ranks in the Witness's army, with Heralds being above Disciples. This could also explain why the Witness would decorate the arena with statues of the fallen Disciples, because it puts this Herald above all of them - after all it uses similar imagery to mock guardians later in the raid, so there is meaning to the use of the fallen Disciples.

  • @mrdude4124
    @mrdude4124 23 дня назад +15

    I think it is an eliksni that's obvious but its also a hybrid dread. It's a spliced together being that the witness created showing its mastery over living things. Splicing three different things together, a fallen captain, also taken, and with an unknown dread creating a being that is perfect loyalty to the witness.

    • @adamboy0559
      @adamboy0559 22 дня назад +2

      I hope eventually down the line they let us access the monolith again for some missions and it’s to discover what it is. Especially what the herald was. We can theorise but nothing will be concrete till bungie gives us a hint.

    • @oryxfirstnavigator4795
      @oryxfirstnavigator4795 20 дней назад

      That kinda makes me lean towards it being Chelchis. He stood toe to toe with Orxy during the Whirlwind, lost, obviously, but he was either Taken by Oryx and later finalized by the Witness into a Fallen Dred hybrid

  • @SoleilDePneuma
    @SoleilDePneuma 22 дня назад +1

    The helmet shape for the boss is very similar to the D1 Archon and Kell helmet designs, just transformed to resemble the Dread appearance.

  • @dibbididestiny780
    @dibbididestiny780 21 день назад +1

    My go to options are three, two out of nostalgia (could be since we are in the pale heart and facing the very end of everything) and one out of appearance:
    Riksis, the first Archon we face back in d1, he also has a similari head shape but eight eyes;
    Draksis, the first kell we meet in d1 (and also revenge for exo farming implication), also has the same head shape as Riksis, but the eyes seem to be four;
    Aksor/Nirix, four eyes, being taken so he can come back and be transformed half in dread style.
    All of these share the weapon (lord of wolves archetype) as fallen captains.

  • @firestar6
    @firestar6 22 дня назад +3

    Must be someone really important and strong if it's the only other boss in the raid. You would think with the witness there it would be something like Rhulk or Nezerec.

  • @nanosmokex6998
    @nanosmokex6998 22 дня назад +2

    Hopefully one day we fight "The Perfect Raven"

  • @Canuovea
    @Canuovea 22 дня назад +1

    Chelchis is the neatest idea... and what if the memories of the Witness and the Light of the Traveler do something with him? And he's another Echo? Eventually? Could be interesting.

  • @EvzAKAsweedy
    @EvzAKAsweedy 22 дня назад +2

    One thing i got in my head now is that quite a few of beings in destiny(mainly enemies.) that have some control over themselves But wasn’t sloane partially taken too? And to what end and difference?

  • @cherryshark9170
    @cherryshark9170 14 дней назад

    Given the Herald of Finality armor design is reminiscent of Rhulk's Armor so the Herald of Finality could very well be a Disciple

  • @ismaelmeza3220
    @ismaelmeza3220 22 дня назад

    It would seem possible. I may not remember much, but I do remember some of the lore about this from d1. Different references to the fall of the house of stone. Slain from the calamity of the Whirlwind and then taken by Oryx. It would explain how he already had taken Eliksni when we first encountered the taken on Phobos.

  • @lilvampire7439
    @lilvampire7439 22 дня назад

    The herald’s helmet is close to the PoE Titan helmet

  • @DemocracyOfficerWood
    @DemocracyOfficerWood 22 дня назад

    Is there any way to rescue taken individuals? We did with one of Maras Techiuns. If it IS Chelchis, brother deserves to be freed.

  • @RoachDoggJR.-
    @RoachDoggJR.- 22 дня назад

    dont forget to look at the taken eye, its bluish white. The same as the taken made by oryx. The taken made by the witness have orange and red eyes. Very curious

  • @glitchyfox8706
    @glitchyfox8706 23 дня назад

    Perhaps we might not know this fallen. But one of our eliksli allies might. A way to strike fear and suffering into them. Make the eliksni who have turned on it pay. Perhaps mithrax mother, erimis mate or someone the spider actualy felt connected to in a meaningful way

  • @garyobrian3597
    @garyobrian3597 22 дня назад

    Bungie never nerfs boss feet do day

  • @TaniksTheFinalShape
    @TaniksTheFinalShape 21 день назад

    It's a fusion of both, Tankchis, Herald of Finality

  • @Mrwadelovesgyats
    @Mrwadelovesgyats 22 дня назад

    We already know the prophecy end room is a hint to the first part of the campaign so it could maybe be the captain there idk I’m not a lore guy here

  • @JuzMe706
    @JuzMe706 22 дня назад

    He’s the one from the prophecy dungeon.

  • @bullee10
    @bullee10 22 дня назад

    Missed opportunity for the boss to be «Taniks Repurposed»

  • @WistfulSum
    @WistfulSum 14 дней назад

    Hey.... wait a minute, that's Verity music! Not Herald music! Good choice 👌

  • @NoWayAnyHow
    @NoWayAnyHow 22 дня назад

    Harold, The Herald of Finality

  • @KellOfYappageD2
    @KellOfYappageD2 22 дня назад +1

    The Witness made my goat Tanniks into a disciple because the Witness knew Tanniks is simply stronger than him

  • @Nathaniel2323
    @Nathaniel2323 22 дня назад

    i guess a berserker in grim armor

  • @darkvex7974
    @darkvex7974 22 дня назад

    I think it is a mix of other fallen

  • @UrBoiDankaTron
    @UrBoiDankaTron 23 дня назад +1

    W video

  • @soapksa07
    @soapksa07 23 дня назад +11

    maybe it’s the kell of stone

    • @johnsimpson8847
      @johnsimpson8847 23 дня назад +2

      Maybe he was taken by Oryx, considering that he's half taken the witness could have very well finalized him too

    • @Langrange-
      @Langrange- 22 дня назад +2

      Unlikely. Kell of Stone was stated to be tall enough to throw hands with Oryx, and the herald is way too small for that. Due to the shape of the helmet, it could be Taniks again or even Riksis.

    • @hwalnut7202
      @hwalnut7202 22 дня назад +2

      @@Langrange- dont forget that oryx in the raid was big bc we were in his throne world, herald was prob the size of regular oryx

    • @oryxfirstnavigator4795
      @oryxfirstnavigator4795 20 дней назад

      ​@@Langrange- Oryx in the raid was only as large as he was because he was in his throne world after he was beaten.

  • @HasvenWorld
    @HasvenWorld 22 дня назад +1

    So it's...not Taniks Perfected?

  • @TechStomperGaming
    @TechStomperGaming 23 дня назад +1

    it's taniks

  • @rapture1l328
    @rapture1l328 22 дня назад

    He was killed by Oryx he turned into a taken

  • @VahnBlack
    @VahnBlack 22 дня назад +1

    Eliksni, no legs, it's Taniks.

  • @plant3202
    @plant3202 18 дней назад

    it’s taniks

  • @rapture1l328
    @rapture1l328 22 дня назад

    Was not turned into a TAKEN

  • @Gunth0r
    @Gunth0r 22 дня назад +1

    Bro's legs are taken and upper body is "final shaped" fallen. That screams Taniks.

  • @fiba_dan6707
    @fiba_dan6707 22 дня назад

    kinda disappointing realizing we got a buff fallen captain basically on day 1

  • @The_musicturtle
    @The_musicturtle 23 дня назад +8

    I just think it’s taniks cause he has the same gun

    • @frankkuncio2065
      @frankkuncio2065 23 дня назад +6

      Taniks isn't the only fallen to use the same Solar shotgun. Besides, last time we fought taniks he had a scorch cannon. No shotty.

    • @PapaG-cg4os
      @PapaG-cg4os 22 дня назад

      we just wanna accept its taniks for the funny

  • @GenericName0042
    @GenericName0042 22 дня назад +1

    It's Taniks.
    End of discussion.

  • @Rynobii
    @Rynobii 15 дней назад

    My headcanon: he will always be taniks, he is the final shape

  • @wujaszekziom6266
    @wujaszekziom6266 23 дня назад +1

    Its taniks just accept that fact

    • @LapisTriangle
      @LapisTriangle 23 дня назад

      This looks nothing like taniks

    • @Aj-py8en
      @Aj-py8en 22 дня назад +3

      Uses different base fallen geometry
      Has a different number of eyes
      Different head and armor shape
      Uses a different weapon
      Missing any of taniks' iconography
      The only taken part of the herald are the legs, the only part of taniks that couldn't be taken
      But sure its taniks why not

    • @awesomeguy9513
      @awesomeguy9513 22 дня назад +1

      ⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠bungie is well aware of the jokes made around taniks and if it were him the boss would be named or an item named after taniks yet there’s nothing.

  • @Ruuod
    @Ruuod 22 дня назад +1

    I know which fallen it isn't

    • @Ruuod
      @Ruuod 22 дня назад

      KEKSIS THE BETRAYED

  • @giles.9862
    @giles.9862 23 дня назад +2

    Maybe it's Kelgorath

    • @Dacire11
      @Dacire11 23 дня назад +1

      He got demoted and you can actually find him roaming near the impasse and he is now "Kelgorath, Vestige of Failure"

    • @sigma_sad
      @sigma_sad 23 дня назад +1

      Kelgorath is hive

    • @omage3457
      @omage3457 23 дня назад

      @@Dacire11bro tried his best

    • @Dacire11
      @Dacire11 23 дня назад +1

      @@omage3457 you would think he would stop trying after losing to us 5-6 times lol

  • @JM1992
    @JM1992 22 дня назад +1

    Dumb they didn’t drop a lore for it

  • @SpongebobSquarePants-vc9mo
    @SpongebobSquarePants-vc9mo 23 дня назад +2

    First also how do you play dual destiny

    • @varisrevolver4061
      @varisrevolver4061 23 дня назад +3

      To unlock it, you need to do all Overthrow's and find Savathun's Hive Guardian (spawns after you kill the final boss), it's a 50/50 if it can be done across multiple days, but I'd recommend doing all 3 at once, either due to a waypoint, or find it (I recommend a video for it), you'll need to grab 1 light orb, and 1 dark, and carry it quite the distance, (but you can drop one, carry the other, drop it rinse and repeat, bug keep in mind, if it's on the floor long enough, it goes back to where you found it), and to get INTO it, you need a second person (but only 1 other, Fireteam finder, or any discord servers made by Destiny content creator, you'd find people who'd help you)

    • @SpongebobSquarePants-vc9mo
      @SpongebobSquarePants-vc9mo 23 дня назад

      @@varisrevolver4061 Thx

  • @jurionov5358
    @jurionov5358 23 дня назад

    Its just another Taniks once again 🤣

  • @johnnyhall9154
    @johnnyhall9154 22 дня назад

    Nah it's Taniks.

  • @Dom-X37
    @Dom-X37 23 дня назад

    My ex

  • @mostner7
    @mostner7 22 дня назад

    Remember when our lore cards for raid bosses were as good as Warpriest’s and Golgoroth’s? *sigh*