Is it possible that Cayde was the unamed second father of the Abram's family? His feelings toward Sunderesh were one sided and Micha Abram's only ran into Cayde-1 after he went "Missing". Not to mention the fact that Micha was a young boy still grappling with their Gender Identity at the time. If so, Cayde remembering Micha as his "Son" whom was nicknamed Ace and wouldn't be a contradiction of the Lore Provided. The fact remains that even pre-guardian Exo Cayde had difficulty remembering what Ace looked like and the name of his one sided love, Sunderesh. Micha not recognising her father in an Exo body isn't much of a stretch either.
Theres already an in-game exchange between Zavalla and Cayde where the latter states that the afterlife, so to speak, that he experienced was more like all of the guardians and ghosts returning to the Traveler and living in peace. However Zavalla responds saying something along the lines of how thats not an afterlife hes interested in nor is it worth being a part of if he cant see his late wife Safiyah and son Hakim there.
He explained what happened after he died, he was pulled back pretty much instantly from his perspective but was years for us. He couldn't havw told him that if he wanted.
The idea that Cayde has no family, that Ace was never really ever real is honestly a sickening thought. Not in the way that an idea is perverse, but in a way that it is just so horrifying.
I honestly think his family never being real would bring more depth to cayde. It reflects on how a lot of people in real life are religious because they don’t like the idea in believing nothing
Cayde was the ultimate lynchpin, he was there in the beginning as a character that had a great personality and was ready to help in his own ways, and he ultimately gave himself up for us to continue on.
I don't think I did enough of it to realize they'd be so integral, just didn't think about it, even though I knew who Micah-10 was. Did I miss out on all the dialog? Or is it just all out of order since Cayde died again. Or can you do it on an alt?
I completed the story for final shape before doing Micah's quest and I still had Cayde talking to me. The strike is just set before the final battle with the Witness so you'll be able to hear it
@@KingShibe okay cool. I was hoping it'd basically just play out events out of order. Not exactly game-breaking, but feels like it would've been a mistake to let players finish off The Witness and lock yourself out of these interactions.
Man, I tried to play the Cayde's Fate mission from the timeline, because I wanted to record the cutscenes again. (Xbox deleted my old ones, and I needed them for an edit i wanted to do) Except, the intro one is totally gone, and the majority of the cutscenes are cut up into a montage with Ikora narrating over it. DUDE. they cut most of the mission, too! No intro section, you just have the part with the security bit, that Cayde hacks, and then the bossfight with the ogre. EVERYTHING else got cut and summarized in the cutscene at the start or end. The only intact cutscene is the one where Cayde dies. Bruh
I know right? I came back after a longbreak to discover this. It was in lightfall. It got me to leave. That and the trans robot. I am glad i cameback for the final shape. But.. sunsetting has got to stop.
@@celuiquipeut6527theyre pushing this trans woke agenda bs way too hard in game & in studio. Its annoying. They’re so desperate for that good esg score, just like Netflix & Disney. I just try my best to ignore it. Sucks how they chopped up caydes mission though for real.
Being an Exo would be an end to pain and ageing. The only downside is you’re regularly killed by memory wipe. Unless the plot decides you needed to persist like Elsie. And what Exo’s were all living their lives until they get a call? Then they just catch the bus to Clovis Bray and get in line to have their memory wiped?? “Memory wipe? DUH ok”
Elsie’s frame isn’t like that standard issue frames like cayde, Micah, Shiro, and Saint . Plus she time travels a lot so we don’t know how it interacts with her exo mind.
the memory wipes aren't standard. they're only really used when an exo has to change to a new frame. But there's degredation every transfer. The number next to an exo's name is how many times they've changed bodies. Elsie doesn't get reset though and her frame has a higher quality due to being a Bray, She's aware of the process and because of that, doesn't get the reset process because she knows the risks and is in the know. Banshee also has a similar frame as Elsie, but he's been reset so many more times that there's been catastrophic memory loss.
"Ace" just being Cayde's fractured memories of a pre-transition Micah-10 is bittersweet as hell. I hope she got to tell him before the end. And got to give him that hug she wanted.
I don't know why, but I don't want to know who Ace is. Or the major mystery of Cayde. It means more to me as a mystery than it does with definitive answers. As a person with 3 exos, it's interesting.
1 question that I have after this lore is if the darkness inherit to exos is linked to Cayde talking about having flashes from before being a guardian, to my knowledge no one else has talked about having these flashes, becoming a guardian is a 2nd life to most, a life detached from the first, but maybe the link exos have to the darkness (Clovis using the darkness to make exos) and darkness being the energy of memories and realm of the mind means that exos have some residual memories from before becoming guardians, that darkness that was used to create them holds on to some bits and pieces from before they get brought back also Micah answered a question I've had for awhile, which is if exo guardians could grab a backup of their memories after getting brought back as a guardian, answer is yes as we know now, I just wonder how many exos have decided to do that, probably not many
Really only anyone with the intent to travel to Europa and search the facilities. Though I can imagine it wasn't an Ideal since most exos were either very rich, or they were experiments and weapons.
And is there anything in the lore that explains why exos have bodies that perfectly replicate flesh and muscle but their heads aren’t even close? I mean I know the real reason would be to save on creating seperate bodies for Exos but I always wondered if they explained it in lore.
You know what's a crazy thought what if "Maya Sundaresh" is "Sundance" Caydes Ghost. It makes sense because they both have sun in their names. That would mean Caydes wife was always right by his side till the end but it's a nice theory.
I mean if he was writing to Ace before he met Micah that means they gotta be real right? Unless as a human he was lonely and made the story up in the first place so when he couldn’t remember things as an Exo he could have something to believe in?
Thing is, ace could have many possibilities. Maybe it's a younger brother, or a cousin. Maybe a really close friend, the only person he had in life. I agree with his take, that it wasn't about whether they are truly real or not in the end, but that they felt real to him and that's all he needed to keep himself going.
I can digitize brainwaves, upload your consciousness... I can change memory, your past isn't real, or is as real as you remember it... I can manipulate your sight...
Far fetch theory but what if either YOUR Guardian or OUR Ghost is Ace. If the assumption that Sundance is Maya Sundaresh, it could be possible to speculate that those the Traveler helps/interacts become one with the Traveler. To become one with the Traveler must require: Devotion, Bravery, Sacrifice then upon Death a choice is made, Ghost or Guardian. After a choice can be selected , either decision, the next step is to find someone worthy of the Light. Some Guardian and their Ghosts can be surmmized as Random Picks but other pairings can be quite Coincidental. Thus the speculation that The Memories the Pale Heart creates such as Cradle and Faith for Ikora, Zavala's Family and his Dark Age memories, Cayde's interpretation would be a mix of Human/Exo Cayde-6 to Cayde-6 as a Guardian. It would also seem poetic that Cayde-6 in-universe meant so much to so many that he would also mean just as much to us as the player. Especially when he refers to us as his favorite. It would make it even more impactful his sacrifice as well as his purpose for being Cayde-6 from beginning to end. It would also mean that future developments such as Maya Sundaresh copies in the Vex Network and upcoming threats to humanity have something to do about NOT letting go, The opposite of the main Theme of Cayde's presence in The Final Shape DLC. The History of Cayde-6 has more mysteries to solve. Especially all those in the Exomind Archive...I mean if Atraks-1 could come back then who knows......but just always remember Cayde 1-6 are closed books.... ...if there's ever a Cayde-7. DO. NOT. TRUST. HIM.
Honestly i think he just mixes them both up. We do not know at what point in time human cayd left his son ace. Maybe he was around the same age as Micah. So we gotta assume if there even are memory flickers of his human life left, they are but a fraction of the memory flashes he has ofa family. So in the end I think they turned into the same as some sort of coping with the lost memory.
Stuff like this is why I started to lose interest in Destiny. They take pretty solid stories from Destiny 1, and then flip them all around for.... reasons? Cayde having a simple family that he remembers can't be allowed to stand for some reason. The story of Shin Malphor and Dredgon Yor was another that they had to over complicate as well. Sometimes less is more and simple is the way to go.
Donno man, sometime's going down the rabbit hole and pilling the layers of story untill finding the truth is just as good - and it ensures that we will still have something to chase after the campaign. It can also help tie loss ends if done correctly.
IDC what ppl say Cayde shouldnt had died in TFS. He still had so much potential from his own past life, to working as Maya Sundaresh's personal Bodyguard or even being a mentor to Crow
I think the theory on Micah being Ace is too far out there, Cayde had a wife and son. The idea of something happening to his son like that is just awful. The idea of even doing that to a kid is honestly evil as well. I do not like that fan theory whatsoever, it would be more interesting if Cayde's son and his descendants were part of the founders of the last city and the Speaker was the last member of the family line going down like a boss talking sh*t to Ghual. That's a family legacy right there.
@@odessawild7798 let me ask you something can I identify as black and say the n word? If not then why can grown guys walk in the bathroom with little girls
Could be he had no family and his feelings for Maya and bond with Micah stuck with him making him think he had one... Oor he had family they died and replaced by Maya and Micah after memory resets
@@DragaoDeJasmin The entirety of Season of the Splicer was about Lakshmi and her past as (partly) Maya Sundaresh. Lakshmi's personality engram is an amalgam of several components including Maya's. Many of the lore tabs for weapons and armor from that particular season, along with its associated lore books "Achilles Weaves a Cocoon" and "Beneath the Endless Night" elaborate on this :)
@@seraph8 geez huge thanks to you! i would never know!! when i played this season i was just rushing through things cause my work was horrible didn’t even notice this lmao
@@DragaoDeJasmin Of course! I understand how easy it is to get lost and fall behind on the lore when real life gets in the way... so much of it is fantastic, and I'm glad I could point you in the right direction :)
Micah-10 being micah abram, TRANScendance being pink and blue colored when activated, the new pale heart sniper "EMBRACED IDENTITY" with the colors pink, blue, and white? the final shape really was a trojan horse to shove in as much trans rep as possible.
Bungie just can't resist injecting tidbits of social politics into everything lately. On one hand it's not really problematic on a conceptual level, but on the other hand when it show up so many times it gets immersion breaking as it goes from just being lore to ripping you out of lore to make you go "here we go again." There's a couple things they do that get annoying. Social politics is one of them. Everything being 'paracausal' is another. And possibly the worst one is everyone referring to everyone as 'old friend' which is like THE laziest, most generic character exposition past amnesiac protagonist.
To my knowledge I don't believe ghosts are re-incarnated humans. I would like to rather think that Sundance was just a new "face" that could be close to Cayde by being his ghost.
Cayde being Maya Sundaresh's body guard couldnt have been thrown in there for no reason could it. Far too important to just throw that in. Micah-10 got me wanting to know more.
Pushing the unnecessary nonsense woke agenda in the game because they’re desperate for that good esg score, just like disney and netflix. Pretty sad tbh. But thats how it goes with these big companies.
@@Ninja_Proyep😢 we know that he is not but the dads probably groomed him to be "trans" which no human is. Just like a cat being a vegan. We know its the owners
Got a stupid question, are exo still being produced to date?. I mean how if an exo gardian dies, how is his mechanical body come back to life?. Thoughts that the ghost could only revive flesh body. Am puzzled
Well a key thing is that Exos are also part vex tech, and while the vex aren't a traditional sense of the word "species", their radiolaria is very much organic. I do believe in some way they developed Exos to effectively transfer the essence of a human fully over to the machine, thus a Ghost can easily see a person inside of these deactivated bots.
If you don't care, why do you complain? Have you ever thought about just ignoring it? And how it it immersion breaking? Putting real concepts into a video game can hardly make it less immersive.
@@SmileyXY what do you care if one complains on a product they’ve paid for? Can’t handle a different opinion on something that’s made up in real life also?
@@Specter_TF141 It's just a lore tid bit. It in no way affects the main story. Till now you wouldn't have known that Micah is a queer exo. So I don't understand how they are projecting in any sense.
That's literally it. Micah Abram transitioned, and when Clovis exofied her, he kept trying to put her in a male chassis but she would succumb to DER and die. Micah-8 was the first female Exo Micah.
I’m seriously done with all these stupid red cons that bungie keeps pulling in the lore. I swear this is the last expansion I play. I love destiny for its gameplay, but I love the Lord when it’s very accurate and they have been very sloppy with their consistency.
@@mshaman86 what are you talking about beyond light It said that you have to be put into a near exact EXO otherwise it would have that EXO mind deterioration. where they freaked out and started destroying themselves. Like the one that had a second pair of arms the mind couldn’t comprehend or handle the irregularity and it started to freak out and destroy itself by ripping the extra arms off. The reason why I said near exact is because it can be not completely exact due to one of the EXO complaining that Elsie Bray had one that was more suited to her original body. So Micah-10 having a completely different body from the original gender, they had is a total Redcon of the EXO mind deterioration. If they really were going to forsake this part of the lore they shouldn’t have put it in the lore in the first place.
What if, micah-10 is caydes son.... 🤔🤔🤔... If you listen to message cayde left for us on the radio, he says " i need a reason, or a purpose" ... What if Micah-10 becomes the reason ?.... 👀 ( I demand cayde to come back !! Dx)
Where do these images of playing cards come from? They're using the art from the pale heart weapons, and I'd love to make a custom deck with those face cards. Edit: The Video says "Image: Hxtrod_", but I can't find anything under that name. Any help?
I wouldn't have minded if pre-revelation they weren't being written as brotherly. Put a creepy twist on everything romantic after. That's what happens when you let deranged shippers expand your lore.
@@nils254 So Micah was born a female and remain female as an exo. Since the lore on the gun states Female of the subject, which is the biological gender and would be accurately stated for scientific reasons. If not then it would be inaccurate and Clovis Bray hated inaccurate data.
What is political about inclusivity? Many types of people exist. Why shouldn't their stories be included in a game whose philosophy is all about complexity and diversity?
Can they just not make any new characters not straight without you freaks immediately jumping up and down whining ? Doesnt even MATTER if its well written to you people now
I don't think the details really mattered to Cayde.
In the end, they were real to him. And that's all the proof he needed.
Is it possible that Cayde was the unamed second father of the Abram's family?
His feelings toward Sunderesh were one sided and Micha Abram's only ran into Cayde-1 after he went "Missing". Not to mention the fact that Micha was a young boy still grappling with their Gender Identity at the time.
If so, Cayde remembering Micha as his "Son" whom was nicknamed Ace and wouldn't be a contradiction of the Lore Provided.
The fact remains that even pre-guardian Exo Cayde had difficulty remembering what Ace looked like and the name of his one sided love, Sunderesh.
Micha not recognising her father in an Exo body isn't much of a stretch either.
@@soulsurvivor8293 no, timeline doesn't match up. both her dads were alive after she met cayde
"I'm coming home, Ace."
That line from Forsaken hits different when you figure out what it means....
Zavala should have asked if he had seen his family in the afterlife
Theres already an in-game exchange between Zavalla and Cayde where the latter states that the afterlife, so to speak, that he experienced was more like all of the guardians and ghosts returning to the Traveler and living in peace. However Zavalla responds saying something along the lines of how thats not an afterlife hes interested in nor is it worth being a part of if he cant see his late wife Safiyah and son Hakim there.
He explained what happened after he died, he was pulled back pretty much instantly from his perspective but was years for us. He couldn't havw told him that if he wanted.
The idea that Cayde has no family, that Ace was never really ever real is honestly a sickening thought.
Not in the way that an idea is perverse, but in a way that it is just so horrifying.
I honestly think his family never being real would bring more depth to cayde. It reflects on how a lot of people in real life are religious because they don’t like the idea in believing nothing
@@trustee8503 I'd agree with you if it was a different character.
Cayde was the ultimate lynchpin, he was there in the beginning as a character that had a great personality and was ready to help in his own ways, and he ultimately gave himself up for us to continue on.
Crazy how the “comic relief” character has the saddest back story.
Sometimes the funny one is funny because they carry a heavy burden.
@@james_jetmtrue
Very common theme
Bro the fact I forgot to do Micah’s quest before finishing the campaign is sad
I don't think I did enough of it to realize they'd be so integral, just didn't think about it, even though I knew who Micah-10 was.
Did I miss out on all the dialog? Or is it just all out of order since Cayde died again.
Or can you do it on an alt?
I completed the story for final shape before doing Micah's quest and I still had Cayde talking to me. The strike is just set before the final battle with the Witness so you'll be able to hear it
@@KingShibe okay cool.
I was hoping it'd basically just play out events out of order.
Not exactly game-breaking, but feels like it would've been a mistake to let players finish off The Witness and lock yourself out of these interactions.
@@riatsila144 A lot of first person perspective of the traveler and Micah trying to decipher what it means
Man, I tried to play the Cayde's Fate mission from the timeline, because I wanted to record the cutscenes again. (Xbox deleted my old ones, and I needed them for an edit i wanted to do)
Except, the intro one is totally gone, and the majority of the cutscenes are cut up into a montage with Ikora narrating over it. DUDE. they cut most of the mission, too! No intro section, you just have the part with the security bit, that Cayde hacks, and then the bossfight with the ogre. EVERYTHING else got cut and summarized in the cutscene at the start or end. The only intact cutscene is the one where Cayde dies.
Bruh
I know right? I came back after a longbreak to discover this. It was in lightfall. It got me to leave. That and the trans robot. I am glad i cameback for the final shape.
But.. sunsetting has got to stop.
Had me in the first half, ngl.
Wtf dude
@@celuiquipeut6527
@@celuiquipeut6527 Sunsetting isn't a thing anymore. You can use all of your old stuff again.
@@celuiquipeut6527theyre pushing this trans woke agenda bs way too hard in game & in studio. Its annoying. They’re so desperate for that good esg score, just like Netflix & Disney. I just try my best to ignore it. Sucks how they chopped up caydes mission though for real.
@@celuiquipeut6527trans robot😂 what and who?
Being an Exo would be an end to pain and ageing. The only downside is you’re regularly killed by memory wipe. Unless the plot decides you needed to persist like Elsie.
And what Exo’s were all living their lives until they get a call?
Then they just catch the bus to Clovis Bray and get in line to have their memory wiped?? “Memory wipe? DUH ok”
Elsie’s frame isn’t like that standard issue frames like cayde, Micah, Shiro, and Saint . Plus she time travels a lot so we don’t know how it interacts with her exo mind.
the memory wipes aren't standard. they're only really used when an exo has to change to a new frame. But there's degredation every transfer.
The number next to an exo's name is how many times they've changed bodies. Elsie doesn't get reset though and her frame has a higher quality due to being a Bray, She's aware of the process and because of that, doesn't get the reset process because she knows the risks and is in the know. Banshee also has a similar frame as Elsie, but he's been reset so many more times that there's been catastrophic memory loss.
Guardians are a special case.
to our knowledge she has never been wiped.
@@Azothify Banshee-44 is clovis as he was. He was Clovis-43 before he became Banshee-44. that would be why his frame is alot like elsies.
"Ace" just being Cayde's fractured memories of a pre-transition Micah-10 is bittersweet as hell. I hope she got to tell him before the end. And got to give him that hug she wanted.
I don't know why, but I don't want to know who Ace is. Or the major mystery of Cayde. It means more to me as a mystery than it does with definitive answers. As a person with 3 exos, it's interesting.
I’d want to see Ace if somehow it tied back into the story and Ace is real, maybe now a guardian
I always had a feeling "I'm coming home, Ace" had a deeper meaning but I never looked deeper into it..I should have
1 question that I have after this lore is if the darkness inherit to exos is linked to Cayde talking about having flashes from before being a guardian, to my knowledge no one else has talked about having these flashes, becoming a guardian is a 2nd life to most, a life detached from the first, but maybe the link exos have to the darkness (Clovis using the darkness to make exos) and darkness being the energy of memories and realm of the mind means that exos have some residual memories from before becoming guardians, that darkness that was used to create them holds on to some bits and pieces from before they get brought back
also Micah answered a question I've had for awhile, which is if exo guardians could grab a backup of their memories after getting brought back as a guardian, answer is yes as we know now, I just wonder how many exos have decided to do that, probably not many
Really only anyone with the intent to travel to Europa and search the facilities. Though I can imagine it wasn't an Ideal since most exos were either very rich, or they were experiments and weapons.
Dude when 1st and 3rd pic came up
I was like 📸📸 new wallpaper…
Could you make a video about the villain of the echoes. Also love your vid, keep up
And is there anything in the lore that explains why exos have bodies that perfectly replicate flesh and muscle but their heads aren’t even close? I mean I know the real reason would be to save on creating seperate bodies for Exos but I always wondered if they explained it in lore.
Blame clovis bray
It is explained somewhere, same place where they explain why Exos eat
@@landenstephens4032 I remember they eat for their sanity. To feel connected to their bodies and “human”
You know what's a crazy thought what if "Maya Sundaresh" is "Sundance" Caydes Ghost. It makes sense because they both have sun in their names. That would mean Caydes wife was always right by his side till the end but it's a nice theory.
ah make sense
Bro you deserve more subscribers
what if////just what if....Our guardian was ACE. that wouldve been cool
I mean if he was writing to Ace before he met Micah that means they gotta be real right? Unless as a human he was lonely and made the story up in the first place so when he couldn’t remember things as an Exo he could have something to believe in?
Thing is, ace could have many possibilities. Maybe it's a younger brother, or a cousin. Maybe a really close friend, the only person he had in life. I agree with his take, that it wasn't about whether they are truly real or not in the end, but that they felt real to him and that's all he needed to keep himself going.
Hey there Evaze did you know or been told that you are a very good storyteller? Kudos my friend.
I can digitize brainwaves, upload your consciousness...
I can change memory, your past isn't real, or is as real as you remember it...
I can manipulate your sight...
been waiting for this vid thank you ❤
I wonder if our guardian could end up being Clyde's son and thats why he gave up his light to bring back our gost to protect our guardian
Thinking out the box nice but impossible since we can change our Guardian gender
The dumbest theory yet.
5:56 2 MEN HAD WHAT?
Yeah my cringy BS
@@DaStupidGoose wdym by that
Evaze - So is Maya Sundaresh Cayde's wife and he called her "Sundance" and in turn named his ghost that for some reason.
I always thought its a reference to a western novel/movie called "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid".
Could be but might not be as obvious as you think it to be…
@@j0nam79 i mean its canon the Cayde likes reading western novels. He also read the "Lone Star Ranger" which is also a famous western story.
I hear ya just saying it could be a possibility “Sundaresh” to “Sundance”…
Far fetch theory but what if either YOUR Guardian or OUR Ghost is Ace.
If the assumption that Sundance is Maya Sundaresh, it could be possible to speculate that those the Traveler helps/interacts become one with the Traveler. To become one with the Traveler must require: Devotion, Bravery, Sacrifice then upon Death a choice is made, Ghost or Guardian.
After a choice can be selected , either decision, the next step is to find someone worthy of the Light. Some Guardian and their Ghosts can be surmmized as Random Picks but other pairings can be quite Coincidental. Thus the speculation that The Memories the Pale Heart creates such as Cradle and Faith for Ikora, Zavala's Family and his Dark Age memories, Cayde's interpretation would be a mix of Human/Exo Cayde-6 to Cayde-6 as a Guardian.
It would also seem poetic that Cayde-6 in-universe meant so much to so many that he would also mean just as much to us as the player. Especially when he refers to us as his favorite. It would make it even more impactful his sacrifice as well as his purpose for being Cayde-6 from beginning to end.
It would also mean that future developments such as Maya Sundaresh copies in the Vex Network and upcoming threats to humanity have something to do about NOT letting go, The opposite of the main Theme of Cayde's presence in The Final Shape DLC. The History of Cayde-6 has more mysteries to solve.
Especially all those in the Exomind Archive...I mean if Atraks-1 could come back then who knows......but just always remember Cayde 1-6 are closed books....
...if there's ever a Cayde-7. DO. NOT. TRUST. HIM.
Honestly i think he just mixes them both up. We do not know at what point in time human cayd left his son ace. Maybe he was around the same age as Micah. So we gotta assume if there even are memory flickers of his human life left, they are but a fraction of the memory flashes he has ofa family.
So in the end I think they turned into the same as some sort of coping with the lost memory.
His wife and his son were both named Ace? That's a little odd. Hah.
(It's a grammar/punctuation joke... I know they weren't).
Stuff like this is why I started to lose interest in Destiny. They take pretty solid stories from Destiny 1, and then flip them all around for.... reasons? Cayde having a simple family that he remembers can't be allowed to stand for some reason. The story of Shin Malphor and Dredgon Yor was another that they had to over complicate as well. Sometimes less is more and simple is the way to go.
Welcome to modern day bungie
Yep. Including adding weirdest stuff too. You know😢🤮
Talking about his pre or post death life? All Guardians are rezzed as a blank slate and very few learn anything about their previous lives
@@GlobalBricks1 No I dont think we do, care to elaborate?
Donno man, sometime's going down the rabbit hole and pilling the layers of story untill finding the truth is just as good - and it ensures that we will still have something to chase after the campaign.
It can also help tie loss ends if done correctly.
IDC what ppl say Cayde shouldnt had died in TFS. He still had so much potential from his own past life, to working as Maya Sundaresh's personal Bodyguard or even being a mentor to Crow
He literally chose this as his final purpose it was his choice not ours
I think the theory on Micah being Ace is too far out there, Cayde had a wife and son. The idea of something happening to his son like that is just awful. The idea of even doing that to a kid is honestly evil as well. I do not like that fan theory whatsoever, it would be more interesting if Cayde's son and his descendants were part of the founders of the last city and the Speaker was the last member of the family line going down like a boss talking sh*t to Ghual. That's a family legacy right there.
Riven was Cayde in this DLC, calling it now.
You're my favorite. Don't ever forget that. 😢
My headcanon was always that his life as his Halo Character, or the Destiny Equivalent, was the family he had before.
Caydes story is really awesome I love hearing the lore on his past and it was cool seeing him again in the final shape!!!!!!
Nah lost me when 2 gay dudes with a trans kid entered the story
@@Spartan-bl4pqwell at least they weren't like you
@@Spartan-bl4pqtrue that. Yikes. The dads were fine but the kid. Big no.
We know the kid was groomed by the dads🤮 just like a dog or cat being vegan
@@odessawild7798what? Um no😅
@@odessawild7798 let me ask you something can I identify as black and say the n word? If not then why can grown guys walk in the bathroom with little girls
Could be he had no family and his feelings for Maya and bond with Micah stuck with him making him think he had one...
Oor he had family they died and replaced by Maya and Micah after memory resets
Now me out what if Hakeem is cayde's son and cayde left him with zavala
How tf can that be?
What was the double sword on the guardians back at 13:08
It’s a part of the Dungeons and Dragons set!
witcher set
The Witcher ornament set.
Man I would die not knowing Maya Sundaresh was Lakshimi
She is. She’s a revived clone
@@KodexKat do you know what lore piece talks about it? got me curious
@@DragaoDeJasmin The entirety of Season of the Splicer was about Lakshmi and her past as (partly) Maya Sundaresh. Lakshmi's personality engram is an amalgam of several components including Maya's. Many of the lore tabs for weapons and armor from that particular season, along with its associated lore books "Achilles Weaves a Cocoon" and "Beneath the Endless Night" elaborate on this :)
@@seraph8 geez huge thanks to you! i would never know!! when i played this season i was just rushing through things cause my work was horrible didn’t even notice this lmao
@@DragaoDeJasmin Of course! I understand how easy it is to get lost and fall behind on the lore when real life gets in the way... so much of it is fantastic, and I'm glad I could point you in the right direction :)
Ace was maryas kid
What if we were ace somehow (I'm sure there is lore i'm not thinking of that would prevent this, just a thing that crossed my mind)
How tf would we be his son or wife.
@@KodexKat no idea, just thought it would be interesting to see how they would have done it. I don't actually think we are lol
Micah-10 being micah abram, TRANScendance being pink and blue colored when activated, the new pale heart sniper "EMBRACED IDENTITY" with the colors pink, blue, and white? the final shape really was a trojan horse to shove in as much trans rep as possible.
I like the idea that cayed raised micah as his illegitimate child
This lore is a bit of a shit show to be honest but I will follow you until we'd discovered the real in this story
Bungie just can't resist injecting tidbits of social politics into everything lately. On one hand it's not really problematic on a conceptual level, but on the other hand when it show up so many times it gets immersion breaking as it goes from just being lore to ripping you out of lore to make you go "here we go again."
There's a couple things they do that get annoying. Social politics is one of them. Everything being 'paracausal' is another. And possibly the worst one is everyone referring to everyone as 'old friend' which is like THE laziest, most generic character exposition past amnesiac protagonist.
Wahat if Maya Sundaresh is Sundance in disguise? 🤔
To my knowledge I don't believe ghosts are re-incarnated humans. I would like to rather think that Sundance was just a new "face" that could be close to Cayde by being his ghost.
Hoe do exo guardians remembwr their names and how many resets they had?
Isn't ace the chiken?
That’s the colonel
Ahh yes his son. Best kept secret in the sol verse
Cayde being Maya Sundaresh's body guard couldnt have been thrown in there for no reason could it. Far too important to just throw that in. Micah-10 got me wanting to know more.
I wish cayde got made when we crushed the hive wizards ghost. It's one thing to hear about it, but to see it... Missed emotional weight
What are the odds that a child being told he has two fathers and no mother would grow up confused about his own identity? Cause and effect.
Surprising they didn’t make him gay. Because everyone is gay in Destiny.
Genuinely don’t know if there is any straight relationships in this game anymore
@@HUMADUCKeris and drifter? zavala and his wife? crow and amanda?
Pushing the unnecessary nonsense woke agenda in the game because they’re desperate for that good esg score, just like disney and netflix.
Pretty sad tbh. But thats how it goes with these big companies.
@@Ninja_Proyep😢 we know that he is not but the dads probably groomed him to be "trans" which no human is.
Just like a cat being a vegan. We know its the owners
I can legit only think of saint and osiris, tf are you on about?
Got a stupid question, are exo still being produced to date?. I mean how if an exo gardian dies, how is his mechanical body come back to life?. Thoughts that the ghost could only revive flesh body. Am puzzled
Well a key thing is that Exos are also part vex tech, and while the vex aren't a traditional sense of the word "species", their radiolaria is very much organic. I do believe in some way they developed Exos to effectively transfer the essence of a human fully over to the machine, thus a Ghost can easily see a person inside of these deactivated bots.
How is there only 7 comments in 25 mins
I dont thnink weve seen the last of Cayde honestly
I hope your right, i hate the fact they teased us with him coming back ,FINALLY, and then take him away again.... -_-
L take
God Micah's so damn cringey. Alphabet shit aint needed in videogames
You're not needed in video games
Straight stuff isn't either but its included and can be nicely implemented
I like how only bigots are mad about Micah but nobody super into the lore has complained and liked her, funny that
Lgbt everywhere
interesting, not a fan of the whole woke shit personally but interesting nonetheless
All this alphabet people projection into a video game is immersion breaking and unnecessary, could care less for cringe trans exo tbh
right
If you don't care, why do you complain? Have you ever thought about just ignoring it? And how it it immersion breaking? Putting real concepts into a video game can hardly make it less immersive.
@@SmileyXY what do you care if one complains on a product they’ve paid for? Can’t handle a different opinion on something that’s made up in real life also?
@@Specter_TF141 It's just a lore tid bit. It in no way affects the main story. Till now you wouldn't have known that Micah is a queer exo. So I don't understand how they are projecting in any sense.
@@Specter_TF141 Bro you act like the opinion is " I hate minorities are in my game" is RESPECTABLE
Woke lore
Thought I was the only one thinking that🙄I mean respect to what you love, but stop forcing this shit down our throats
@@tibreionbaez7198 right
Hello
Can micah be micah-10?
Wasn't that obvious?
That's literally it. Micah Abram transitioned, and when Clovis exofied her, he kept trying to put her in a male chassis but she would succumb to DER and die. Micah-8 was the first female Exo Micah.
I love micha-10
The story for Cayde went from great to crap in just a few short years. Wonder why? (We know why.)
Exo’s can have kids?
He wasn’t always an exo.
@@KodexKat yea, after I watched the video, I got that. Even though they may not be real.
I’m seriously done with all these stupid red cons that bungie keeps pulling in the lore. I swear this is the last expansion I play. I love destiny for its gameplay, but I love the Lord when it’s very accurate and they have been very sloppy with their consistency.
This isn't a retcon. This was all explained in forsaken.
@@mshaman86 what are you talking about beyond light It said that you have to be put into a near exact EXO otherwise it would have that EXO mind deterioration. where they freaked out and started destroying themselves. Like the one that had a second pair of arms the mind couldn’t comprehend or handle the irregularity and it started to freak out and destroy itself by ripping the extra arms off. The reason why I said near exact is because it can be not completely exact due to one of the EXO complaining that Elsie Bray had one that was more suited to her original body. So Micah-10 having a completely different body from the original gender, they had is a total Redcon of the EXO mind deterioration. If they really were going to forsake this part of the lore they shouldn’t have put it in the lore in the first place.
@thewolfofdoyle Nope nothing has been "redcon" you just misunderstood what was said.
@@FierceDeityBaryon how am I misunderstanding what is literally said in the lore?
@@thewolfofdoyleHEY GUESS WHAT, THE CPRRECT BODY FOR HER TO IDENTIFY WITH WAS A FEMALE ONE
what if micah is just asexual
First
Micah being a gun makes sense if they identify as the opposite sex lol
Huh?
I get it, funny haha
What? He cant be a gun😮
What if, micah-10 is caydes son.... 🤔🤔🤔... If you listen to message cayde left for us on the radio, he says " i need a reason, or a purpose" ... What if Micah-10 becomes the reason ?.... 👀 ( I demand cayde to come back !! Dx)
What are those missions where Micah and Cayde interacted??
The missions you get from Micah where you have to go find the lost ghosts
Where do these images of playing cards come from? They're using the art from the pale heart weapons, and I'd love to make a custom deck with those face cards.
Edit:
The Video says "Image: Hxtrod_", but I can't find anything under that name. Any help?
Search artstation. The actual artist posted them over the last couple of days!
@@EvazeOfficial thanks for the hint. I looked, but couldn't find anything on artstation. (Neither Hxtrod_ nor the image)
Might've been taken down
he also talked about missing hes ghost what if he was talking about he’s wife who he was feeling
Wait u said mica is transgender wtf
You sure Bungie might have retconed it and made him gay like saint and Osiris out of the blue
That never sat right with me, they don't feel like lovers at all from the dialogue before and since the retcon happened.
@@Xemphas we learned about this back in the season we saved saint???? What???
Bruh 💀 Cayde literally talking about how he loves Maya Sunderesh stfu 💀
Shit is awful. Futurama did it first as sex bots lol.
I wouldn't have minded if pre-revelation they weren't being written as brotherly. Put a creepy twist on everything romantic after. That's what happens when you let deranged shippers expand your lore.
Whats great about being an EXO in game is I get to make up my head canon were I believe my EXO hunter knew Cayde 1 through 6. :)
Parasocial about a fictional character is a new one..
@@KodexKat if thats the worst type of fanfiction you've seen, stay innocent 🤣
Poor Micha, getting shoved into dysmorphoric foreign body. Kinda messed up
What lmao? The Embraced Identity sniper rifle literally describes Micah as *female* prior to becoming an exo, so she has a female body.
@@nils254 So Micah was born a female and remain female as an exo. Since the lore on the gun states Female of the subject, which is the biological gender and would be accurately stated for scientific reasons. If not then it would be inaccurate and Clovis Bray hated inaccurate data.
@@caseydew6882this is my only problem with Micah being trans, like there is no way Clovis would let that slide, the dude is a fucking menace
@@caseydew6882 Micah was a trans woman who got a proper body for herself
@@odessawild7798 I don't think so, the lore says Female. That's not interchangeable. You are either Male or Female, that can't be changed.
I think it is a long stretch to make a way to shoe horn a political agenda into the game
What is political about inclusivity? Many types of people exist. Why shouldn't their stories be included in a game whose philosophy is all about complexity and diversity?
Can they just not make any new characters not straight without you freaks immediately jumping up and down whining ? Doesnt even MATTER if its well written to you people now
i'm coming home "ACE" 🥲