I actually watched this whole thing and yes I love TvT. I dont mind at all the zoom outs. The tanklines and positional play are what make it very interesting and tactical
If you're solidly holding a line... And have 6-8 wraiths... Why not secretly make a stack of 20 or so, in order to EASILY pick off the goliaths and the enemy tank line, and help secure the map? There's no way he can produce new goliaths fast enough and your tanks will kill reinforcing ones anyway. He always backed off with his wraiths vs 1-2 goliaths, but with 20, no issues.
Exactly, Shinee is no joke tho… seems like a nightmare to tvt against lol. But it felt like Flash* just knew what was going on at all times during the game and was a step ahead in every department. *edit
Awesome game! Shinee is the cobra, but Flash is the python! After the initial fancy moves in the opener, you could start to hear it. The sound of inevitability.... And Shinee's name is NOT Neo!
He only had 1K more minerals. That's not actually all that much. Sure he could have flooded vultures, but at that point in the game he wasn't substantially ahead. Shiney was only a base behind and could have continued for another 20 minutes or so, but probably feared Flash a bit too much than he should have. He had eliminated Flash's dropship fleet and it would have taken him around 4 minutes to get another one, which would have allowed Shiney to take the bottom left.
Really enjoyable game. The way Flash plays TvT really makes me want to watch, the same way I always wanted to watch his and Fantasy's TvT's back in the day
just want to mention I have been listening to SC casts way back to 2005 and you have carried the torch for all us viewers. Well done Artosis. You are one of a kind.
Thank you Artosis for the wonderful cast! I enjoy not only Brood war/ but you as a castor! You do a great job showing off what makes brood war amazing. Thank you!
Watched the whole thing. I don't always love TvT but this one was pretty good. I especially liked the 2 openings and how they interacted, and the stats was interesting too.
8:00 Me only half-looking, "Flash right now mines in front of Shiny's base", me being like wtf how and why? Ohhhhh, he's not mining, he's laying mines.
Love your casts and think this, the Tastosis casts and your stream represents a relic of internet culture that is all but extinct. Thanks for everything you do and for the community your work sustains, Mario erotica and all.
Was Shinee's problem just being down 20 SCV all mid game? With the length of the game and the map control he did have I feel like he could have evened out that economy.
Watched the whole thing and enjoyed learning why wraiths can be really good in certain scenarios but aren't game winners by themselves when things go long.
I skipped a little bit in the midgame in solidarity with artosis. I don't want him to be the only person who missed the four vultures kill the svcs at the fourth expansion.
OK, so why in the mid and late game, Shinee only made SCVs one at a time, even when in some cases he had extra minerals? AND WHY did Shinee just quit when he had control over the bottom left side of the map? He just gave up!!?!?!?!?!?!?! I like it when Arty takes a few extra seconds to explains the ending.
This was a great game?. I feel like tihs was an outstanding game. One of the best games ive seen in a long time. Lots of stuff going on, back and forth.
Probably a wild idea, but for a game that nears to 30 minutes, where the map is split about 50/50, how about tech-ing up to nukes? Just targeting the central tanks would force an unsiege and withdraw. For a long TvT I want to see some nukes go off.
Only time I don't watch the whole thing is when the analysis after game is almost as long as the actual game lol, only because I'm not actively playing(Melee stresses me out) so don't need to know all the tactical minutia. I'm sure it's useful for people who are playing actively though so not a criticism at all.
I am not a fan of Terrans that make Wraiths to defend with them not forcing their opponents to spend time and resources against anti air units at the very least while at the same time i also did not understand why Shinee tried to play catch up against an opponent like Flash that was macro heavy from the start and had all the advantages possible. If you go Wraiths and you do not do anything significant with them then you are done. p.s. Flash could easily expand at 12th as if Shinee never had any air superiority
All good, when the match is diverse it is quite enjoyable. But too long drawn out TvTs can be a bit much..! Repent and believe in the finish works of the cross! :D
I only just realised its an AMD logo and the map is called Radeon
Same
kinda gay
I actually watched this whole thing and yes I love TvT. I dont mind at all the zoom outs. The tanklines and positional play are what make it very interesting and tactical
If you're solidly holding a line... And have 6-8 wraiths... Why not secretly make a stack of 20 or so, in order to EASILY pick off the goliaths and the enemy tank line, and help secure the map? There's no way he can produce new goliaths fast enough and your tanks will kill reinforcing ones anyway. He always backed off with his wraiths vs 1-2 goliaths, but with 20, no issues.
Always watch every minute. Love the in depth analysis of all the match ups.
Same here
Dude that WAS great game. You truly see how great Flash is in a game like this. Shinee would’ve taken down many of the best terrans this game
Exactly, Shinee is no joke tho… seems like a nightmare to tvt against lol.
But it felt like Flash* just knew what was going on at all times during the game and was a step ahead in every department.
*edit
Awesome game! Shinee is the cobra, but Flash is the python! After the initial fancy moves in the opener, you could start to hear it. The sound of inevitability.... And Shinee's name is NOT Neo!
I might be a minority but I love good TvTs. The strategic aspects are so rich with all the positioning and maneuvering required.
Crazy game of stalemates. By 24:37 you can see just by the mineral reserves and map presence flash out-macroed shinee. Unbelievable.
He only had 1K more minerals. That's not actually all that much. Sure he could have flooded vultures, but at that point in the game he wasn't substantially ahead. Shiney was only a base behind and could have continued for another 20 minutes or so, but probably feared Flash a bit too much than he should have. He had eliminated Flash's dropship fleet and it would have taken him around 4 minutes to get another one, which would have allowed Shiney to take the bottom left.
Thanks for coming Artosis
Of course I watched the whole thing, that is what we are here for!
Really enjoyable game. The way Flash plays TvT really makes me want to watch, the same way I always wanted to watch his and Fantasy's TvT's back in the day
just want to mention I have been listening to SC casts way back to 2005 and you have carried the torch for all us viewers. Well done Artosis. You are one of a kind.
Death. Taxes. Flash.
Shinee the king cobra but Flash is the mongoose! Jawesome match!
can't believe I've been watching this game on RUclips for 15 years
19:30 The dreaded "Joker smile" formation in TvT.
Thank you Artosis for the wonderful cast! I enjoy not only Brood war/ but you as a castor! You do a great job showing off what makes brood war amazing. Thank you!
Watched it all. Had to, it was Flash. It’s the law. GGs.
It is kind of wild how effective Shinee's plan of just make lots of vultures is in these two games.
I watched the whole video for maximum chills.
Watched the whole thing. I don't always love TvT but this one was pretty good. I especially liked the 2 openings and how they interacted, and the stats was interesting too.
8:00 Me only half-looking, "Flash right now mines in front of Shiny's base", me being like wtf how and why? Ohhhhh, he's not mining, he's laying mines.
I love TvT, specially between proplayers, the map control and positioning is brilliant.
Watched whole thing. Appreciate.
Here's something Artosis missed.
8:30 Shinee was building an hidden cc but Flash roaming vultures found it.
Love your casts and think this, the Tastosis casts and your stream represents a relic of internet culture that is all but extinct. Thanks for everything you do and for the community your work sustains, Mario erotica and all.
I always come watching when Artosis brings out the Wraith thumbnail 🫡
Very good cast, thanks for doing that for us!
I got chills writing this comment
I got second hand chills from this comment
I woke up today. Chills.
Ate breakfast. Chills.
Turned on computer. Chills.
Opened RUclips. Double chills.
@@SchemingGoldberg you should see a doctor
My chills went quick. You could say like a Flash!
Loved it!
In SC1 its my 2md fav matchup after tvz
Was Shinee's problem just being down 20 SCV all mid game? With the length of the game and the map control he did have I feel like he could have evened out that economy.
Watched the whole video, thanks for the cast Artosis
Watched the whole thing and enjoyed learning why wraiths can be really good in certain scenarios but aren't game winners by themselves when things go long.
Flash is incredible at countering air units without letting them distract from his invincible tank pushes.
TvT is so chess-like, the tank line resembles your soldiers in a row.. love it
I skipped a little bit in the midgame in solidarity with artosis. I don't want him to be the only person who missed the four vultures kill the svcs at the fourth expansion.
People who hate TvT are going to say this match was boring, people who like TvT are going to love it.
Average matchup fan: 🤓
Average Flash enjoyer: 🗿
Watched the whole thing. TvT, when it's sprinkled in, is epic. The only matchup I'm not a huge fan of is ZvZ for obvious reasons.
TvT mu's are great to watch honestly
Love TvT and all mirrors. Of course I watched the whole thing!
Great cast, great game, and a TvT!!! Who'd a thought??
I also love watching tvt zoomed out
awesome match! great insights into TvT as always. idk what people are on a bout, mirror matches are awesome. Even ZvZ
OK, so why in the mid and late game, Shinee only made SCVs one at a time, even when in some cases he had extra minerals?
AND WHY did Shinee just quit when he had control over the bottom left side of the map? He just gave up!!?!?!?!?!?!?!
I like it when Arty takes a few extra seconds to explains the ending.
If I made it through? I'll have you know I make it through every ArtosisCasts video.
Oh I watched the whole damn thing
Gg you cast really well. You make it like watching a chess game
I actually watched the whole thing.
I watched the whole beautiful thing arty!
same tvts are my favourite after tvp
ive watched it all . gotta say am shivering !
new tactic: set up a Joker smile
I'm a zerg player, but I really enjoy watching TvT. The game was great!
This was a great game?. I feel like tihs was an outstanding game. One of the best games ive seen in a long time. Lots of stuff going on, back and forth.
Probably a wild idea, but for a game that nears to 30 minutes, where the map is split about 50/50, how about tech-ing up to nukes? Just targeting the central tanks would force an unsiege and withdraw.
For a long TvT I want to see some nukes go off.
Scans exist… *pop* that was the sound of $1k minerals and gas down the drain in ghost tech and nuke 😢
The actual move there is Battlecruisers but even they've been becoming less and less common at the top level.
of course i watched this whole thing
Lol. those time stamped vulture raids really ticked you off huh? Xd
Shinee's actually insane O.o
I watched the whole thing!
If holding skills are applied, 64>42>72>64/200 supply distribution.
SC1 TvT endgame looks like WW1
Here we aee why flash is tge best. Turning it around and slowly taking over
Excellent game! Did AMD sponsored creation of this map?
what is the command center first build exactly? Is it only strong in TvT?
Fantastic game!
I'm here for all that goodness
Sweet game for sure
Excelent game! daaaaaaaamn what a cast😎
0:07 flassssg
What a geat game! What is Flash's TvT pro WR?
His ASL record vs all races is 74-75%
Zerg lowest at 74%
I watched the whole thing
i watched the whole thing
Watched the whole thing o7
Kinda disappointed you didn't mention the cc he was trying to sneak in the southwest main that was cancelled before he went for the 7 factories.
Only time I don't watch the whole thing is when the analysis after game is almost as long as the actual game lol, only because I'm not actively playing(Melee stresses me out) so don't need to know all the tactical minutia. I'm sure it's useful for people who are playing actively though so not a criticism at all.
GG, actually good TvT 👍
If Terran gets as good as Zerg with Mutas, its a game changer!
i'm mad that flash stopped playing ladder. I could physically dominate flash. tell him to get back on ladder.
Darn good game
Shineee is my favourite StarCraft player
Late game tvt is honestly ptetty cool
Are we ever gonna get more PSL content?
Great game
Lol artosis, at 22 minutes you missed 3 vultures kill 4 scvs.
You suck at this
I love you
That didn't happen, Flash was just moving stuff around preventively
I am not a fan of Terrans that make Wraiths to defend with them not forcing their opponents to spend time and resources against anti air units at the very least while at the same time i also did not understand why Shinee tried to play catch up against an opponent like Flash that was macro heavy from the start and had all the advantages possible. If you go Wraiths and you do not do anything significant with them then you are done. p.s. Flash could easily expand at 12th as if Shinee never had any air superiority
We NEED ARTOSIS VS EONZERG BO7
Watched it all
I very enjoy good ladder players vs. best players in the world
All good, when the match is diverse it is quite enjoyable. But too long drawn out TvTs can be a bit much..! Repent and believe in the finish works of the cross! :D
AMD is sponsor on this map? it has the logo in the middle.
GG Lets go Terran dominion!
shinee fun to watch
aRtOsIs YoU mIsSeD a HyDrA bUsT iN fLaSh'S mAiN aT 32:74
what happened to PSL?
I love the flash games… but does it have to be against the over grown whining toddler? 😂 love the content RT
Just wraith FLASH in the tittle and i will watch...
Artosis u da best!
i watched this whole thing. i love watching tvt -- i hate playing it
24:00 was a nice attempt. it is like WWI where they stared at each other's 'trench' already rushed to the sea...
ouch. but VERYgood game.
GG!! 🎉🎉
Can anyone explain these pros names? Maybe the barcodes specifically? 😂😂
Damn Flash😅😅.