Universal Sight Pusher Comparison (Generic vs VISM vs WHEELER vs Wiregear) - READ DEACRIPTION!
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- A comparison and overview of the various options for a universal sight pusher.
NOTE : as of October 2022 Wheeler has moved manufacturing to China and only QA’s their products in USA. (Same as VISM). While Wheeler is still the superior product … for the price I would recommend the VISM. When I originally made this video in late 2020- Wheeler was still USA made. Sorry for the confusion.
Items discussed (Affiliate links) :
- Basic Armorer's hammer set - tinyurl.com/4yymvyuh
- Universal Socket Tool - tinyurl.com/2rjd2mxn
- nylon punch set - tinyurl.com/bddz2fu4
- Universal Sight Pusher - tinyurl.com/3ck3re8z
- VISM Sight Pusher - tinyurl.com/32yzvn5u --- (new version - still says VISM on product)
- Wheeler Sight Pusher - tinyurl.com/yckja97r
- WireGear Sight Pusher - tinyurl.com/56kw2tbp
Timestamps:
00:00 Comparing Universal Sight Pushers for pistols
00:22 Pricing
01:30 What's Needed
04:40 Nylon Punch
06:44 Universal Generic Sight Pusher
07:55 VISM sight pusher
09:52 Wiregear
11:40 Wheeler (comparison)
12:35 Conclusion
I needed one to change the sights on 2 Glocks. The generic tool worked just great. I couldn't imagine buying a more expensive one unless I needed it for a business.
Guy at the gun store told me his tool was 800$ after selling me a pair of sights "we can install them for you, you can't do it yourself" 🤣 I knew he was lying, and I love when idiots expose themselves bc it makes it easier for me to just move on. I'll be honest, I've been HIGHLY disappointed with the gun community and shops I have entered since I started shooting 3 months ago. The amount of dick measuring, lying, and just plain deceit is insane. This is coming from the saltwater fishing community (Trust me, I've came across some creatures). I hope I find a gun store near me that's helpful and careful that's not trying to steal my money one day. Sorry for the rant, thanks for the review!
oof that's rough... what part of the country you in? I just moved to east coast.... so i'll hve to see how stores are here... but in nevada and Utah... i found the firearms retailers to be AMAZING. very helpful (in las vegas - freedom firearms especially). and never trying to trick you. it's a shame people abuse the fact some folks are learning. everyone learns at some point, and with how tumultuous the industry is with outside pressure... it's critical, above all else, we treat each other right. really sorry you had this experience. don't ever bother going to a store again that does this to you.
You aren't wrong. Usually the older Fudds are the worst, the kind that were around before youtube and the internet, where information is free. They enjoyed being the wizard behind the curtain. Now that curtain has been pulled back (well, about 15-20 years ago and they are still holding on).
You also have to be careful of the types of appear knowledgeable but really only have cursory information or "bro science" information. They haven't trained through Armorer schools, they haven't worked in the industry other that at a gun shop, or their only information comes from what the Army, Marine Corps, etc. taught them. They are equally dangerous to your weapons and your wallet.
Welcome to the fun! There's good people there too, but you're not wrong. There are a lot of annoying and dishonest people. And sadly people that could be a bit safer. The casual way gun store employees handle guns can be really off putting.
@alecubudulecu from central new jersey (ocean county)
Thank you for the nice review :)
Useful info. Thanks!
AWESOME VIDEO.!!
THANKS FOR THE INFO.!!
Very well shown. I waited for years to get one, but when I did It was a Wheeler.
I plan to get a whole setup of top brands for gunsmithing DIY. Wheeler made the list - USA made baby.
@@thomaswolf6507 note in my description update. Wheeler is no longer USA made. I believe after 2022 it moved operations to china. They still do qc in USA tho.
Thank you for the review
The best one I've come across is the Real Avid master sight pusher. It actually gets down in the dovetail cut and pushes the front sight from the base, instead of the side of the sight blade. It also allows for more torque than these ones you show. I had the VISM, but it only works on rear sights. Also, the VISM does not get down in the dovetail groove, it only pushes the sight from the side.
I looked at it but 80% of my handguns are on the will not work list of the Real Avid pusher.
The VTUFNR (the sight pusher in this video) is for both front and rear sights. Our other tool which does look similar the VTUPRS is a rear sight only tool. They are two different sight pusher tools which is the reason for the price difference.
Wheeler one is nice. Worth the extra $. Support USA manufacturing
Amen!
It’s now $230.. by the time you ship and pay taxes… your well over $250.
Don’t mind paying 60.. 70…maybe even 100% more… but now it’s well above that much more.
@@nsboost Its $136 right now. Free shipping on Amazon.
Wheeler told me they are only assembled in the US. Parts made in China. That was when they first came out at SHOT show years ago.
The wiregear is the same hardware from the same build house in China.
Good video with great content. I think the word you were looking for was tolerances, the diff between cheap and expensive in machining anything is the tolerances.
Right! Thank you haha words are hard sometimes :) yeah the tolerances are def noticeable. Vism is …. What it is. I can’t deny it’s a decent product for the price. They make their stuff in china but it’s a USA based company and invests mostly in USA. Their tolerances tend to be decent. I still prefer wheeler when I can afford it (but man is it brutal in price sometimes)
The Wheeler is manufactured overseas. Is says so in the Q&A on their website.
I just got the Wiregear unit and put it to work right away. It's great. A little hard to make precise adjustments, but that's where calipers can come into play. I wish they installed some kind of thin barrier on each of the slide contact points to help protect the finish - just so I don't have to tape every time :P
Yeah tape is annoying. Honestly another issue I find - like your precision comment … because of the sheer amount of pressure you can torque down with these ….. it’s hard to know if the sight is the right size or too big. It’ll get them all in …. And you can find yourself with a cracked frame later
@@alecubudulecu Ooof. I try not to tighten things down tooooo much. And always make sure I'm pushing the right direction XD
I have that red sight pusher. It works very well. I've had it for several years now. It's a little bit finicky on it takes a little bit for you to get it but it's not difficult. It's not nowhere near a headache to use it's a solid construction and yes you have to put tape on it to protect the finish but you have to do that with all of them I've used it to change out mini sites. Some difficult, some easy 1911 and Glocks. It takes a little bit of finesse to get the front sight on a 1911 but it works and it works well but when I got mine I didn't need to spend hundreds of dollars. I just needed something that was a little bit better than than a nylon punch and a hammer but just works great. So anybody that is needing to change out their block sites and you're going to be doing more than a couple didn't that red sight pusher is great. Works wonderful. In fact, if you go to pay somebody you've paid for that I will say it comes with very little to no instructions on how to use it. So you have to be creative and understand how mechanics work and what things do and figure it out yourself. But it is very simple to figure out you have one side that is got a little bit of a shelf on it. But you can raise up and down the other side pushes in and holds it secure. You fit it where you need it. You have a flat side for a sight pusher and you have a bevel sight so it can handle both types of sites and it works just fine. You can flip it around and do push out and then push in if you need to so it works just fine. I have taken out beveled sights for Glocks and put in tridium sites you will need a ratchet and a socket or a wrench to use it and you can only use one side because the other side isn't. Isn't that end. You can take it off if it gets stuck it is a very simple side pusher to use. I will probably get something different later on but right now this is the only one I got and it works just fine. It has done everything I need and it will continue to do everything they need
Great write up and explanation - and I might be inclined to agree now with inflation. At the time when I did this video the Vism one was $50 ish bucks. And I felt at the time I’d rather spend $20 more over the red one …. But now I think the gap has shifted to where you might be right. I think vism goes for like nearly $100 in 2023 and the red one still like $25+ …. Which makes it an amazing product
@@alecubudulecu thanks. Usually I suck it right ups. I get sidetracked slip off the subject and I use voice type in. It has its own mind of what I said. I looked at the vism and several others that were available at the time when I purchased mine and I went with budget and reviews and at the time visible was having a lot of issues with breaking and I wasn't going to spend $50 on bism just for it to break. I don't know what the makeup of it was or anything like that, but for it to break pushing sights I I figured I'd just go something different. I have other vism products that I like and I use but at 20 bucks $25 when I went had my first sites replaced cost me that much just at the gun shop I still may get a more expensive site. Pusher but I haven't made that decision yet. It's just depends on what I may be doing in the next couple of years right now. This one works great. It does take it's a little finicky. It does take a little bit of set up. Something I didn't put in my comment was I took some velcro and cut it to size and used it as a permanent pad to protect the finish. If you take the non -aggressive side the the the loop side rather than the hook side it works fine. I also use the similar Velcro pad on my bow for a shelf for my arrows to rest on. It does protect the finish very well. It does change things a little bit so you have to get used to it. But it does work. There are similar products that look the same that I would probably say would work better. I'm not a big fan of plastic knobs or screws or things like this. And this mine does have a plastic turn knob which it's fine it's but I'm not a big fan of that. I'd rather have something that's metal metal on metal when trying to secure something. Not a big deal. You can go to any hardware store and probably find a replacement. Very easy and I'm not a very big fan of the lock nut that is on one side. I'd rather have seen like a castle nut or something like that. I understand what they went through with that on there, but I'd rather have something that was a little more secure, but that's my only gripes and it's just my personal preference, but other than that I've changed. I don't know how many 10, 15, 20 sites maybe more. I'm not really counted. I've adjusted sites many sites 1911 sites as well as Glock sites and it works just fine. Just have to make sure that you have the right edge whether it's the beveled edge of the straight edge and you have the right height but it works fine. I've gotten to where I can set it up real fast. It's not hard to to set up at least now. I've used it so much. It's it's a real quick process for me now. 1911 front sights are a little bit finicky for me to set up but I can still do them but overall, as far as your video goes it was great. I love seeing it. I may not get information from people's videos but I still like watching them because you never know when you might learn something new or get a different perspective and I'm sorry I do not know the brand of that red sight pusher I have no idea. I don't know if it there's no branding on mine and I've had it for so long. I don't remember who manufactured it or was selling it so it's it's a. Mine is unbranded but it looks identical to the one that you got in your video
I did it with two C-clamps, a rubber mallet and a piece of cardboard on Truglo TFX Pro Tritium-Fiber Optic hybrid on a Glock 17 Gen 5. Ironically, the Gen 4 screw for the front optic was the proper length for the Gen 5...
Ordered a plastic punch in case I am like 0.1-0.2 mm off, lol.
yep, outstanding work! haha and yeah honestly for 80% of the cases, I'd say just use the punch. ok maybe 90. I do use the sight pushers now that I have them. but EVEN with them.. the final touch ups are STILL done with a nylon punch.
@@alecubudulecu My thoughts also.
That, and a sight pusher is far more important if you're running a stubborn gun to swap sights on, people forget that glocks are easy.
Just got a shadow 2 compact and I'm like, yep that's a red dot all day lol
Nice thanks
Thanks. I just wanted to make a fine adjustment on my Glock fixed rear nite sight. I was going to buy a site pusher but will now just get the nylon punch, block and a new gunsmith hammer.
give that a shot.... I'd say if you JUST making a slight adjustment the punch is best. if you do end up buying one of these things, note my comment change on wheeler. I now would just recommend vism. but in your case, just a punch should do.
@@alecubudulecu Thanks so much
I couldnt find a Wheeler in stock and settled for the wiregear since I needed it asap. Im having a heck of a time removing the sights on a Springfield Hellcat. They wont budge. Got the slide soaking in penetration oil and will try again tomorrow.
oof Hellcats are TIGHT. SA doesn't have wedge/tapering in their sights... they just jam them in tight. you sure you have it mounted right? ( just asking. they are in there tight, i know). one thing i can suggest... stick the sight pusher in a vice to make sure it's mounted solid... and then try. should be able to get you some good fulcrum weight doing that. if you SURE you got it on a good angle, and you sure it's lined up proper... and just pushing it is tough as nails.... use a small mallet/hammer to whack the bar. it's loses it's subtlety... but thatll work (make sure it's in a vise good and tight). just make SURE you got it lined up proper, cause if you use the mallot on it ... it'll move, but it'll rip and break your slide if it's not lined up proper.
@@alecubudulecu ⁰⁰⁰⁰
I am planning on getting one to push in a red dot plate in a 1911 rear dovetail could you recommend one that will give enough room for the plate?
Any of them should "technically" work, as the dovetail plate wouldn't stick out too far past the slide right? (i guess question is what's the width of the plate?)... regardless, either of the 3 "better" options listed here SHOULD work... check your plate's measurements, but they all have pretty generous extra room... technically even the cheapest option MIGHT work... but it's just finnicky and hard to work with. Vism i think is best bang for buck.... but i prefer the Wheeler.
100% agree, don't bother with the universal sight tool. "Headaches" is an understatement. These things will give you migraines 🤬
ALEX !...I HOPE YOU REPLY...WHICH SIGHT PUSHER DO YOU SUGGEST FOR FRONT SIGHTS ON A 1911 ?..THE BOTTOM OF THE 1911 SLIDE IS NOT FLAT ALL THE WAY FROM FRONT TO BACK, SO SECURING THE SLIDE IS A PROBLEM...WHAT SAY YOU ?..THX...B.K.
Sorry I didn’t see this before! Honestly for MOST 1911 I’d say use just a vice with rubber grips and hammer and punch for front sight. These would work. Any of these. But it’s honestly overkill and the front sight rarely needs THAT much torque
Although you did not actually discuss it, what is the pentaton (5-sided) thing with the red rubber called? Can you please tell me the name of the product and where you got it from?
Oh! Sorry that’s a bench block. That one is made by Real Avid. Highly recommend. You have many options and some bigger ones better for rifles … but I find this one the best for almost everything. It’s magnetized and doesn’t slip nor bounce as the rubber buffers a lot of the impact. They’re like $10-15 on Amazon or most firearm stores.
@@alecubudulecu Thank you very much!
Can these pushers be used for windage adjustment as well?
Yep. They can. Though I’d honestly recommend sticking to a nylon punch for that. But absolutely they can. If it’s significant change I use them just for that
Wish the Wheeler & Wiregear have the Pusher inside like the Vism for more accuracy ( from engineering prospective there a metal whip when the slide stationary from one side only )
Yeah that’s a good point on design. VISM one is technically compact and that angle creates a better fulcrum with it being inside. However the mechanism wheeler and wiregear use to lock the slide in alone with the amount of torque they produce … overcompensates for that lack of internal slide. I do agree the vism design is more elegant
Couldnt get the vism to fit a caik mete sft slide while being able to interact with the irons when i tried to use punches first time ever trying anything like this i started with platsic they deformed and didnt move the irons i then went to steel and deformed the original irons along with the channel and had to take it to a gunsmith to fix it, but was able to work on a glock fine with the vism, looking at maybe buying an accucraft now cause wheeler moved to china like you said but maybe ill go with them anyway too.
Very nicely done need to replace sights on px4 compact and from what i gather they are really goodentight lol thats german
LoL....The Wheeler is now $169.99. Wiregear is $85.00. Double the price. Yikes. The Wheeler is hard to justify for the occasional sight removal🤷♂️
At this point yes. I’d actually go for the VISM now. Things have changed a lot since the video posted years ago.
How much for a universal pusher?
Just curious to know, I spent $160 on one for my Walther.
what's the brand? I would say good ones start at about $60-80. if you want an American made one... it's gonna be around $150
I have a few cz's. The wheeler tool worked well on those tight dovetails. Other brands of sight tools did not work for me.
Good to know, CZ's are what I'm concerned about.
@poseur777 I have a cz97 and a czechmate. The rear sight on the czechmate was extremely tight, I have a generic sight tool that works well on glocks but would not budge the cz sight. The wheeler tool is very nice and made removing the rear sight very easy.
This is a great review but I went with the MGW Armory Sight-Pro Universal Sight Installation Tool so much nicer and refined. comes with nylon inserts to keep from scaring the slide also.
That looks to operate similar as the Wheeler in design …. But based on price I’d imagine it to be more refined as you mentioned. I’ll have to check it out. Looks nicer too!
@@alecubudulecu Alex I wouldn't have anything else. I have done Glock, 1911, Sig sights ALOT of them. FYI I am not associated with them in anyway.
Don't you have to buy the slide mounts for every different pistol? Those are another $30-35 ea.
@@rotorheadv8 for the MGW armory one? I didn’t know that… odd that would be needed. Kinda defeats the purpose of “universal” sight pusher
@@alecubudulecu The ones I looked at did.
The Vism Seems to be the easeist you don't have unbokt anything.
At this point - in 2024 - yeah I would recommend the vism. I updated the description I think in 2022 to reflect that.
Will these work on slides that have a thumb safety?
Depends on where the safety is located. Fundamentally yes. Most of these will be able to brace against a part of the slide where there’s no safety and be fine. But there’s always some rare exceptions.
How would these work on lever guns' iron sights?
Depends on the lever gun. I have a marlin trapper. And the rear sights are just screwed in.
The front sight id just use a punch.
The dovetail mount it has this would work. But I’d still start with a punch and hammer.
You’d have to disassemble and leave just the barrel. Put that in the device and go from there.
However. I’d avoid that. This doesn’t get rotational torque. Meaning it can damage the barrel.
Use a vice with a rubber tube insert or barrel blank insert. Get it secured by the barrel (receiver if no option for barrel but be careful not to over tights)
Then use a hammer. And punch.
Could even get a 3lb rubber mallet type hammer or a dead blow hammer.
Watch your fingers haha
The blue one doesn't work with the m&p shield.45 front sight.....the slide doesn't fit
ohhhh the front is one of those tiny beavertail type inserts right? 1911's use a similar system I think. the red one might work better for that.... you need that thin insert... HOWEVER, I honestly would just recommend using a punch for that. it should come loose easy enough.... and as it's small.. you can get a lot of leverage. these sight pushers are really more for the harder to move back sight.
I bought a sight pusher just like your wire gear from eBay. It didn't have the name on it but Exactly the same sight pusher tho and before I even got the sight loose on my Springfield Armory XD the sprocket that you turn stripped out. On the it and I had to get it welded So I think these wire gears are good. But maybe one if you're lucky two guns and then they're damaged and not worth having
Oof sorry that happened to you. Yeah and recently wheeler has shifted their manufacturing to china. They still do their QA and products good … but since I made the video … now they can no longer claim 100% made in USA.
Which … honestly makes them on par with the VISM/NCSTAR…. And vism is about 1/3 the cost.
If I had to get all over again. I think I’d stick with vism.
Granted it’s not best. But for price … it’s good. And since now there’s no 100% made in USA options … at least not big name brands.
Does anyone know if the wheeler or knockoff can be used for the rear sight of a ruger mark iv?
Oh that’s a great question! I actually never tried it on that round slide. / housing … I have a mark iv. I’ll try it this week. I imagine it’ll be an issue. Because it would rotate
yeah just tried it... as expected - won't work. due to the round slide design - can't get leverage enough to hold it still. i'd say the best way to remove the sight here is to use a punch
Well, shoot. Thank you much for giving it a try!
Do you need to use tape on the slide for the wheeler?
Kinda. Those screws on the side that hold it tight … are steel. So when it closes in on the slide. Sure if it’s secured it’ll be fine. But with torque it might move. Any movement will be steel on steel rubbing. Which can easily mar.
If you don’t care cosmetically. Then no. But I would.
@@alecubudulecu VISM it is then
@@CapnHilts yeah at this point with wheeler moving to china - I’d say go for vism. All the same now so they good.
@@alecubudulecu i like the fine point on the VISM that gets down into the dovetail groove too
Heads up: As of Oct 2022, your link for the VSM Pusher is broken and goes to another anonymous tool.
Thanks for the heads up. Fixed now.
The wheeler is $175 on amazon today...
ouch. went up a lot
Is the Wiregear and Wheeler clones of the Accucraft?
Interesting. I just looked up accucraft. It sure looks the same. I can’t say which came first. But it would be between wheeler and accucraft. Both are calibrated based companies.
To my mind wheeler is the more reputable one. But I don’t know which made this first. Something suggests they worked together or collaborated? They both have a lot of tool overlap.
MGW is also another premium/expensive option.
I like MGW. Good stuff.
Old saying: but once, cry once…
When using the $30 one there is no need to use that little flat plastic piece. The slide is held from the side jaws. No way is that as much hassle as using a hammer and punch. The cheap ones work just fine. We are just pushing sights in and out here, not building the Pyramids.
The red cheap one right? The bottom piece you are referring to is metal - but same point. Yeah you can just push it and squeeze it. I found on some slides depending on curvature it’ll rotate. For Glock - yes completely right. Don’t need. On my CZ 75 and beretta I find it wont sit still.
Haha loved your building pyramids comment too. ;)
You get what you pay for and I'll always support American products.
Exactly.
Unless it's made in China 😆
@@BK-hl2lh yeah the point of these was to differentiate the ones made in USA.
@@alecubudulecu So which ones are made in the USA????? Wheeler is only assembled in the US, according to the guys in the Wheeler booth at SHOT Show. MGW is 100% made in USA.
@@mikebell611 I think closest in these would be wheeler assembled in USA. MGW would be made fully here but the difference would be where parts are sourced. I haven’t reviewed MGW yet, but I have used their stuff and it’s wonderful - albeit pricey.
you should get a pop filter or something for your mic. Any time you make an S sound its painful on earbuds. Good video otherwise keep it up
Thanks for the feedback… the whole way through or at the 7:50 mark where my audio changed? I did have a pop filter and was trying to avoid plosives … then at 7:50 my mic stopped recording and I had to use the crappy audio from my iPhone backup recording. (Which is horrendous )
Either way I’ll watch out for the plosives more. Thanks again!
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@@alecubudulecu the wiregear
But once cry once! USA!
Woot woot! Usa!
Not made in USA
wheeler is $190 now...gag
It fluctuates (but yeah that’s insane haha) today I see it on Amazon for $150 (but I saw it last week spike to $190. So depends on when)
All of the above are useless when it comes to removing very tight sights such as those on a 1911 Springfield. Just get out the hammer and brass punches, a vice and go at it!
Not sure about that. I get your point. But these add a lot more torque than what a small hammer can do. A big 3lb hammer? Sure. That’ll work. HOWEVER. If you pushing in a sight that tight … you might wanna file it down a bit to avoid splitting the dovetail mount on the 1911.
Also note that the first one I mentioned was a punch and a hammer.