Integral Battle! With Floor Functions

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Комментарии • 104

  • @SHASHANKRUSTAGII
    @SHASHANKRUSTAGII 5 лет назад +56

    Only a teacher who loves his subject can make more teachers. You are awesome sir. Love you from India

  • @Daniel-ef6gg
    @Daniel-ef6gg 5 лет назад +17

    For the second integral, instead of using those really long and skinny rectangles with widths along the x-axis, it would be easier to take the 60 as equal to the full x domain (4) times the full y range (15), then subtract out rectangles with widths along the y axis. There are 15 of them, they each have width 1, and they each have length sqrt(n), for n from 1 to 15.

  • @benjamingiribonimonteiro9393
    @benjamingiribonimonteiro9393 5 лет назад +4

    Congratulations for 200k subscribers! Awesome content as always, love your channel

  • @jzanimates2352
    @jzanimates2352 5 лет назад +46

    Blackpenredpen you have 200K subs! Congrats!

    • @SteamPunkLV
      @SteamPunkLV 5 лет назад +5

      you can hear people cheering at 1:50

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  5 лет назад +8

      Thanks!!!!!

    • @timka3244
      @timka3244 5 лет назад

      But it is deserve 50 million subs

    • @0_-
      @0_- 3 года назад

      Now he has 750K

  • @angelmendez-rivera351
    @angelmendez-rivera351 5 лет назад +3

    1. Consider the integral from a to b of f[floor(x)]. You can use the connection rule of integration to separate this integral into three integrals, from the intervals a to floor(a), floor(a) to floor(b), and floor(b) to b. Do make sure that a < b for simplicity, which can always be ensured, because if you have an integral from b to a when b > a, then you can switch the order of integration by multiplying by -1. Then evaluate each separately, which merely involves taking the area of rectangles. In particular, the integral from floor(a) to floor(b) is equal to the sum of f(n) from n = floor(a) to n = floor(b) - 1. The integral from a to floor(a) is simply f[floor(a)]·[floor(a) - a]. Depending on your definition of {x}, the latter could simply be -f[floor(a)]·{a}. Meanwhile, the integral from floor b to b is simply f[floor(b)]·[b - floor(b)] = f[floor(b)]·{b}. Combining all three gives that the integral from a to b of f[floor(x)] is (f[floor(b)]·{b} - f[floor(a)]·{a}) + S[floor(a), floor(b) - 1; f(n)], where S[floor(a), floor(b) - 1; f(n)] is the sum from n = floor(a) to floor(b) - 1 of f(n). This works for any f and any interval of the real numbers.

  • @i_am_anxious0247
    @i_am_anxious0247 5 лет назад +6

    Yo! Congrats on 200k subs 1/(1-x), you deserve it man! Actually, no. You deserve way more than that.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  5 лет назад +1

      Pi is the best
      Thank you!!!!

    • @i_am_anxious0247
      @i_am_anxious0247 5 лет назад +1

      blackpenredpen you’re awesome man, love your vids! Keep up the great work!

  • @angelmendez-rivera351
    @angelmendez-rivera351 5 лет назад

    2. Consider the integral of floor[f(x)] from a to b, with respect to x. If f is piecewise continuous in the interval, then there exists some set {c_1, c_2, ..., c_k} contained in the interval (a, b), possibly the empty set, such that for all ε > 0, f(c_i - ε) < n_i & f(c_i + ε) > n_i, where n_i indexes over a set of integers in the range of f.
    If this set is non empty, then you can consider the integrals from a to c_1 of floor[f(x)] + integral from c_1 to c_2 floor[f(x)] + ••• + integral c_(k - 1) to c_k floor[f(x)] + integral c_k to b floor[f(x)]. Now each integró is trivially given, since floor[f(x)] is a constant in each interval, though a different one in each interval. An integral from c_i to c_(i + 1) of floor[f(x)] is equal to (n_i)[c_(i + 1) - c_i], where n_i is the corresponding integer (from the set of indexed integers I described above) to c_i as outlined in the epsilon-inequalities I stated. Combining all such integrals gives (n_1)(c_2 - c_1) + (n_2)(c_3 - c_2) + ••• + [n_(k - 1)][c_k - c_(k - 1)] = -(n_1)(c_1) - (n_2 - n_1)(c_2) - ••• [n_(k - 1) - n_(k - 2)][c_(k - 1)] + [n_(k - 1)]c_k. Meanwhile, from a to c_1 you have floor[f(a)][c_1 - a], and from c_k to b you have n_k(b - c_k).
    If the set is empty, then floor[f(a)] = floor[f(b)] = M. Then the integral is simply M(b - a).

  • @ghislaindebusbecq8864
    @ghislaindebusbecq8864 3 года назад +1

    That's a 600k+ subscribers ! Congratulations. I would have drawn the parabola y=x^2 for the second integral.

  • @angelmendez-rivera351
    @angelmendez-rivera351 5 лет назад

    200K subs! Looks like you will make it to 400K before the end of the year
    Also, the link on the description only gives the sum of the first n squares, not the first n square roots, or so it appears. You could define a recursive formula, though, I think

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  5 лет назад +1

      Thanks Angel!!
      I think I can hit 300k without problem but 400k is a bit challenging.

  • @ayanacharya9747
    @ayanacharya9747 5 лет назад +2

    Awesomely done!!!

  • @adrician
    @adrician 5 лет назад +9

    Will you ever be doing a video on Lagrange's multipliers?

    • @alpennyworth8770
      @alpennyworth8770 5 лет назад

      He made a video on it last year.
      ruclips.net/video/ch4PPp_bQtI/видео.html

  • @kimothefungenuis
    @kimothefungenuis 5 лет назад +9

    I think a good advice if you want to expand beyond 400k subs is by going on multiple social media websites . Don't stop at youtube. Go to Facebook, twitter , tumblr etc. . And also a good idea is to translate your video into more languages so your content can be seen by people from multiple countries . However, my advice is
    theoritical,not sure how it's going to work practically

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  5 лет назад +5

      Hi Kimo, thanks for the comment.
      I am already on twitter but not fb. The translation idea will work however it will take a tremendous amount of time (or money) of me to do so. I might be able to do some for some of my popular videos but certainly not all. Thanks again for your input.

    • @kimothefungenuis
      @kimothefungenuis 5 лет назад +2

      Your welcome and my actual name is karim

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  5 лет назад +2

      kimo the fun genius thanks karim

  • @shandyverdyo7688
    @shandyverdyo7688 5 лет назад +1

    I check on geogebra for this integral and it's match with ur answer.
    Just YAY!
    First integral is 14 and the second is 19,52

  • @soumyachandrakar9100
    @soumyachandrakar9100 5 лет назад +1

    Congratulations! on 200k subscribers!!!!! yay...yay...yay

  • @BassmanRiyadh
    @BassmanRiyadh 5 лет назад +1

    Hello, I have a question hope you can make a video about.. the domain an range of (y = (3 - sin(x))^0.5)

  • @dipesh-singla
    @dipesh-singla 5 лет назад +1

    Can you make worksheets on topics like derivate and integral and all other topics with their solution also so people of different country can solve the different type of ques of your country

  • @dr.rahulgupta7573
    @dr.rahulgupta7573 3 года назад

    Excellent presentation of the topics in a simple manner. Thanks with sincere regards DrRahul Rohtak Haryana India

  • @carlosberrio2906
    @carlosberrio2906 4 года назад

    Muy bien resueltas estas integrales

  • @joryjones6808
    @joryjones6808 5 лет назад

    Do a vid on Euler-Mascheroni constant.

  • @omarifady
    @omarifady 5 лет назад +18

    Where’s the link of sum of first n square roots ? In the description there’s sum of fist n squares...

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 5 лет назад +1

      Fady Omari Exactly what I said. I’ll try to find the link on Google on my own.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  5 лет назад +6

      Just added, sorry.

    • @omarifady
      @omarifady 5 лет назад +2

      blackpenredpen
      Thanks!!

    • @Uni-Coder
      @Uni-Coder 5 лет назад +1

      Unfortunately, there is no exact and finite formula. Only a series.

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 5 лет назад

      mrbus2007 I saw. There is no exact formula for the of powers of n unless the powers are natural numbers, although even then this formula is still given by an obscure summation involving the Bernoulli numbers.

  • @CoolName04
    @CoolName04 2 года назад +1

    Thanks that was so helpful 👌👌

  • @ilya3458
    @ilya3458 Год назад

    Thank you!

  • @arbitrarilyarbitrary8440
    @arbitrarilyarbitrary8440 5 лет назад

    There’s no indefinite integral that would follow regular integration rules. However I bet you could think of a nice summation to calculate the area for a floor function.

  • @Walczyk
    @Walczyk 3 года назад

    i like this!! great work

  • @mark_tilltill6664
    @mark_tilltill6664 4 года назад

    Thank you for two things:
    That these integrals exist.
    That with a little courage they can be solved.

  • @pawansaini78779
    @pawansaini78779 4 года назад

    Thanku sir
    Your video is very supportive
    Thanks

  • @ZirTaaah
    @ZirTaaah 5 лет назад

    nice video :) can u try intergral of : sin(x)/sqrt(1+sin(x)*cos(x)

  • @419er
    @419er 4 года назад

    How would you do 2^X

  • @Kanha0321
    @Kanha0321 5 лет назад +4

    Nice sir

  • @yashkrishnatery9082
    @yashkrishnatery9082 5 лет назад +1

    Bruh .. !! What a wrist watch.... I've been looking at the watch at half of the time of the video

  • @EternalLoveAnkh
    @EternalLoveAnkh 3 года назад

    This is very interesting, but you are doing this by hand. I would like to see a proof of the indefinite integral of the floor function and its powers. Can you do that?
    RJ

  • @balazsb2040
    @balazsb2040 5 лет назад

    But can you do the same with {x}^2 and {x^2}?

  • @roamlog9129
    @roamlog9129 4 года назад +1

    The last problem can be solved geometrically very easily

  • @Polaris_Babylon
    @Polaris_Babylon 5 лет назад +1

    So, Calc 1 wears Prada Lu?

  • @MrConverse
    @MrConverse 5 лет назад +1

    But who wins the battle of the integrals?

  • @alainrogez8485
    @alainrogez8485 4 года назад

    For the second integral, if n goes to infinity, it seems the result goes to minus infinity. It sounds weird.

  • @roamlog9129
    @roamlog9129 4 года назад

    We are thinking with respect to x-axis.
    We can solve more easily
    Just rotate the screen and think w.r.t. y-axis you can see the last bar root(16) comprises a bigger rectangle whose area is 15×root(16) and then we are subtracting bar of area[ root(1)×1+root(2)×1+....+root(15)]
    Just rotate

  • @kevinpior5265
    @kevinpior5265 4 года назад +1

    I‘ve a question... what’s floor function of 1.9999 period?

  • @user-nl7mn4rr6s
    @user-nl7mn4rr6s 5 лет назад

    第二題用橫切的比較容易看

  • @bopaliyaharshal2399
    @bopaliyaharshal2399 3 года назад

    0 to a ∫ [ x ^(2) ] if [.] Is GIF ( greatest intergel function ) then answer is. ( ( a^(2) - 1)a - 1 ) -summation of r=2 to r= ( a^(2) - 1 ) ∑ √(r).

  • @ThinkDifferentlier
    @ThinkDifferentlier 5 лет назад

    Are these functions even integrable in Riemann sense?

  • @irwandasaputra9315
    @irwandasaputra9315 2 года назад

    1/3 x^3
    1/3*4^3
    1/3*64
    64/3

  • @awawpogi3036
    @awawpogi3036 5 лет назад

    congrats for 200k subs

  • @antaresguitar
    @antaresguitar 5 лет назад +2

    2E 5

  • @dancifier405
    @dancifier405 5 лет назад

    Congratulations for 200K subscribers ...😎😎😎🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗#yay.........
    So please integrate tan(x) from 0 to (π/2)
    You are like my 1/(1-x) teacher😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇

  • @JoshuaHillerup
    @JoshuaHillerup 5 лет назад

    Next do the integral involving the fractional part?

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  5 лет назад +2

      in that case, we can just change {x}=x-[x]
      : )

  • @jarikosonen4079
    @jarikosonen4079 4 года назад +1

    I hope to see e^floor(x) and floor(e^x) integrals also...

    • @entropy4048
      @entropy4048 3 года назад

      How do you integrate floor(e^x) from x=0 to x=4??

    • @jarikosonen4079
      @jarikosonen4079 3 года назад

      @@entropy4048 Not sure, maybe finite sum (with a lot of elements). Maybe computer works to make it happen. Integrate from 0 to 1 would be only 2 elements.
      The x-step positions are x(n)=ln(n) and height is n and summing these rectangles areas: sum (ln(n+1)-ln(n))*n from 1 to 53 + (4-ln(54))*54.
      This series evaluation looks difficult, but its about 51.6798877368...
      The series looks it might be "telescoping series", but I didn't try find it in detail.
      There is actually accurate answer as:
      216 - ln(230843697339241380472092742683027581083278564571807941132288000000000000),
      but not sure how it is evaluated. It looks like some type of factorial (as there is a lot of zeroes at the end)... like 216-ln(54!)
      As its sum or logaritms, it may turn product inside the ln(). Then it solves, I guess.
      So if upper bound for integral is "n" the results would be:
      AREA=n*floor(e^n)-ln((floor(e^n))!).
      Maybe better question is what is:
      integ {1-ceil(x)+floor(x)} dx from 0 to +Inf.
      It could be 'indefinite' or something like -1/12, etc..

  • @mathranger3586
    @mathranger3586 5 лет назад

    e^ln (i)

  • @ssdd9911
    @ssdd9911 5 лет назад

    halfway there

  • @leecherlarry
    @leecherlarry 3 года назад +1

    interesting, compi can calculate the battle two:
    *Integrate[Floor[x]^2, {x, 0, 4}];*
    *Integrate[Floor[x^2], {x, 0, 4}];*

    • @aashsyed1277
      @aashsyed1277 2 года назад +1

      hi from sybermath

    • @leecherlarry
      @leecherlarry 2 года назад +1

      @@aashsyed1277 hi man, all good here, how are you? 😹😎

    • @leecherlarry
      @leecherlarry 2 года назад +1

      I'm having compi trouble after the OS upgrade from Stretch to Buster. today I'm trying to install old Stretch image... 😨😂

    • @aashsyed1277
      @aashsyed1277 2 года назад +1

      @@leecherlarry oh dear

    • @aashsyed1277
      @aashsyed1277 2 года назад +1

      @@leecherlarry fine!

  • @sankalpmishra1686
    @sankalpmishra1686 5 лет назад

    you are simply awesome, 💞 from India

  • @Germankacyhay
    @Germankacyhay 2 года назад

    👍

  • @Kanha0321
    @Kanha0321 5 лет назад +2

    恭喜,您已达到20万订阅者
    今年,您将完成四十万订户的目标。
    来自印度的问候
    Sorry for mistakes

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  5 лет назад +2

      Shubham Gupta
      Thanks.
      you can just reply in English.

    • @Kanha0321
      @Kanha0321 5 лет назад +2

      @@blackpenredpen I love Chinese language that's why I reply in Chinese

  • @arnavagarwal2914
    @arnavagarwal2914 3 года назад

    Dude that 4 looks that psi

  • @mathematicadeestremo6396
    @mathematicadeestremo6396 5 лет назад

    I think these are easy....let describe a tough one

  • @zmaj12321
    @zmaj12321 5 лет назад +1

    Aww you almost clicked on the problem where I had top solution ;( so close.

  • @safwanahmad3887
    @safwanahmad3887 4 года назад

    please can you solve this problem
    ∬⌊x+y⌋ dx dy
    01 0 1

  • @keonscorner516
    @keonscorner516 2 года назад

    so integral = sum with floor

  • @Kanha0321
    @Kanha0321 5 лет назад +7

    200k😎😎😎🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🤠🤠🤠😇😇😇

  • @mathematicswithjoy
    @mathematicswithjoy Год назад

    Love from India🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

  • @lox7182
    @lox7182 2 года назад

    It isn't that hard to find a general formula...

  • @mathssolverpoint6059
    @mathssolverpoint6059 5 лет назад +1

    Too easy

  • @raymondstheawesome
    @raymondstheawesome 4 года назад

    am i the only one who thinks that the answer should be 1 pm but the answer isn't there?

  • @oscartroncoso2585
    @oscartroncoso2585 5 лет назад +1

    First!