I've followed closely the first two lectures and avidly been waiting for the third one. I guess I'm following the whole course! Even though I'm a doctor from the other side of the world 🇮🇹 , I can get lectured about my hobbies by Brandon Sanderson. What a time to be alive!! Thank you so much for this!
I would love to shake Brandon's hand at some point and thank him for the many, many, many hours I've spent watching and rewatching his lectures over the years and for how they've enriched my life.
Regular blue collar finish carpenter here, who loves audio books while working. Just want to say these are really interesting to listen to while working. So thanks Mr Brandon
Brandon mentioned that we'll see certain ways his lectures have changed since the last series and having watched the previous one like three times. This lecture is the most radically different so far. Spending only the last couple of minutes on the thing that took up the majority of the equivalent previous lecture is fascinating and I really felt like i got something new out of this one. I've heard most of theses structures before but having them all in one place really helps me sort them in my head.
An analogy I find useful from music history: What defines most of the great classical & romantic composers is how they’re partly working within and partly defying or innovating on a set of familiar forms and structures. You expect a return to the tonic, instead I change keys entirely. The effect still depends on the structure: I expect X, instead Y. When you get to the 20th century & Schoenberg, even the minimal structure of tonality is abandoned, and you get music that is celebrated by other composers & music theorists, but so alien & lacking in familiar landmarks that most ordinary people find it quite difficult to listen to with enjoyment. You absolutely want some writers pushing on that frontier for a tiny avant garde audience, but there’s an upper limit to how far you can ditch structure & remain accessible to a broad readership. Most writers want enough departure from structure to feel fresh & original, but not so much it’s literary Schoenberg.
@@Ruylopez778he's the jock that's secretly a closet nerd and has to sacrifice his sports career in order to help the cute-wait-til-she-removes-her-glasses class president who majors in politics with her rally to prevent big oil from freaking the hell out of that reservoir and pollute the town's natural springs
I started watching your lectures years ago to learn more about writing/narrative, to apply it to the video game/s I was working on. Now my friends know of you, as a famous author. Very cool. 😎
This series is amazing. The 2020 lectures, especially the ideas on plot and outlining, inspired me to start outlining a novel I hope to write later this year. It's crazy that this stuff is free. Excited to see what new tools I find this time around!
Brando Sando is the man! So good at giving tools and not prescriptions. Shows incredible skill and understanding of the art of writing and at the same time humility--especially for one of the most successful fantasy authors of all time. Thanks Brandon!
Since watching your lecture series I've been reinvigorated to make time for my current work in progress every day! You've helped remove a lot of stress from my mind about writing my stories.
This lecture made me realize what actually was the plot structure of my first atempt to writte a novel. Honestly, this is being so helpful. I'm not just learning stuff. This actually is reinforcing and explaining to how my own approach to storytelling and analysing media works and it has a name
While I can appreciate that it's a really cool opportunity to have Brandon Sanderson in the room with you answering questions, I wish some of the students could keep them relevant to the lecture. :/
Currently reading through Tress of the Emerald Sea, and it's so fun to hear these lectures and actually see and realise how all this is getting used in your own books. It feels very much like an example book around the lessons you teach, getting too read 2 different stories at once, which is great. :)
Again, Thank you so much for uploading these lectures, Brandon. I’m still in the middle of watching the 2020 version, but will go back and forth. This is awesome!
I would love to see Brandon Sanderson do a full-spoiler case study on A Song of Ice and Fire. The TV show is finished, and people didnt like the ending. The books are not finished, and the author seems to be completely stuck... What are the Promises and Progresses in the series? Why was the show ending bad? What Payoffs need to happen to make a good ending for the books? Why is GRRM having a hard time continuing the series?
Perfect timing for this lecture to come out. Just finished a novella and now starting work on a sci-fi short story collection. Much better quality than previous recorded lectures though the information is just as useful.
A new one! As someone who has more experience writing short stories than novels (but who wants to try my hand at the latter), I struggle with coming up with solid plots so this has helped greatly! Tysm and thanks for being a great communicator
Thank you for posting your lectures to RUclips. Today's data (Tropes and not getting overwhelmed on the tools.) was extremely helpful and motivational.
A couple of thoughts insplired by this lecture: - A piece of advice I've echoed about writing is to always have an idea where you're heading. You don't have to stick to it, but having that destination in mind is important. To use a metaphor: if you want to take a road trip, you could just get in your car and start driving around randomly, and you might even end up somewhere interesting, but chances are you'll just drive around in circles for a few hours. If you set off with a destination in mind, you could well end up getting lost along the way, or find a roadsign for the biggest ball of twine in Minnesota and divert to that, but you'll almost always end up going somewhere at least as interesting as your original destination. - There's a model of mastery I quite like for its symmetry, which states that you go through four stages; unconscious incompetence, conscious incompetence, conscious competence, and unconscious competence. In other words, you start off not even knowing what you're doing wrong (or possibly even that you're doing anything wrong), then you start to understand where you are going wrong, and what you need to improve (which is a huge step up from thinking you're already good), then you start being able to do it right but still having to think about it. Finally, you reach the stage where you do things properly without even having to think about it. And, of course, once you reach that stage, you're ready to repeat the entire cycle at the next level up...
After trying to follow a structure for my first novel, but writing the actual chapters basically by discovery writing, I found my own process that works for me. I'm sure it's got a name, but I basically put my characters into situations and then see what they do, rather than try to plan what they'll do and then write it.
In Star Wars there is not only multiple layered Hero’s Journey cycles for Luke, but also Anakin follows the Hero’s Journey too. Lucas really does love that structure.
If you want more sourced and more flexible alternative to Hero's Journey, look up Propp's "Morphology of the Folktale" written a couple decades earlier. It's much more flexible, has tons of optional steps, taken from Eastern Slavic fairy tales, doesn't require virgin births
The Hero's Journey is just a framework for storytelling. There is no requirement for a virgin birth in the Hero's Journey framework. You're thinking of his allusion to the "monomyth" or Hero With a Thousand Faces
Speaking of characters that have similarities: I'm re-reading through Raymond Feist's Magician series for the first time in a while, and I didn't realize how similar the characters of Brandon's Dalinar and Raymond's Tomas are. They're definitely not the same and end up growing in different directions, but the similarities definitely are there. I really enjoy both characters for themselves.
Ever read a romance novel that you assumed was a fun beach read but turned out to have on-page abuse? It's not fun. Nothing wrong with books that deal with those subjects, but I'm going to need a heads up first. I read romance when life is kicking my up and down the street, or when I'm grieving, or when I'm overwhelmed. Those trigger warnings help people make a choice about what they're willing/able to metabolize. (Appreciate the lectures. I always get something out of them. Thanks!)
Romance covers a lot of flavors. Back before electricity I knew a young lady that mostly read the noble pirate captain sub-genre. I wasn't a pirate or a captain so it didn't really work out for us. But hey, incandescent lights were cool.
Hello, internet groupmates. How are your stories going? I'm just on the outlining part now. Actually, I haven't ever finished a story before, but this time I'm going to. Not for publication, just to have some fun in the process and see if I'm capable of finishing it.
My story is going good. I’m one-third of the way through the rough draft! My resolution this year is to finally finish my novel; it’s been fun so far. I’m doing it for fun too, probably won’t publish it.
47:22 The Nazgûl had flying monsters; flying to Mt. Doom on eagles would've left the heroes too exposed, increasing the chances Sauron would've caught them & taken the ring. (Someone's probably said this out before, but I feel obligated to point it out every time that criticism comes up.)
Probably because I am not religious (and also Phantom Menace was indeed my first Star Wars experience) but for the longest time I had it in my head a completely unique interpretation of the scene when Anakin's mom talks about his "conception": "There's no father" to me registered as " his father abandoned me and I don't want to talk about it😅 And for some reason I even filled in the blanks with my own head-canon immediately like "Oh, maybe the boy's father was a Jedi/Sith that came and went in this planet, maybe he just left or he died, anyway the writer is just telling us *it doesn't matter who his father is* 😅 it wasn't after many years someone online told me they specifically disliked Phantom Menace because of "the divine conception of Anakin"; and was like " the divine -what-now??"😅
About gorillas in phone booths, the unicorn in Blade Runner, it is very vague and obscure, yet it adds to the story in the sense that it’s open to interpretation (I know about the director’s cut, but we can interpret it as we want anyway). So, how can I know if I’m writing one or the other?
Thank you so much for posting these lectures. Quick question about the 3 act structure. I know every book is different, but on average, what percentage of the novel is for acts 1, 2, and 3? I would guess it's closer to 40%, 40%, 20% or even as far as 50%, 40%, 10%. What do you think it is?
The try fail cycle with destroying the death star is watching multiple x-wing pilots using their targetting computers and not succeeding before Luke instead uses the Force :)
I never thought Anakin's mother, a slave was saying that he was a virgin birth. I always thought she was saying that a slave doesn't have the luxury of knowing who her partners are in G speak.
Hey! My sister is currently editing her book and is gonna publish it while I have no whatsoever life or talent and skill so I thought of writing a book I had a lot of trouble on my plot but with the help from this vid I got one but I’m having tons tons of trouble with outlining my sis just enrolled in a writing workshop and I’m not entirely sure if I wanna write so I asked her if I could sit next to her and listen just for a while before I pay…. What did she say No idk why so I’m trying to learn without a workshop when I came across your channel thank you so much for the tips next vid can you do outlining your book?
Safest way to avoid plot holes is to make your story character driven. People are illogical, and so their counter-intuitive actions can be made to make more sense than a mcguffin that just happens to be conveniently close and accessible
Witcher 3 beat you with 4 prologues. I’m curious if you can beat it with 5. Though in terms of story structure there are really only 3. I think it’s safe to assume you might classify the white orchard “prologue” as the beginning of act 1 instead of a prologue.
I'm really enjoying these lectures, but there is one thing that I feel diminishes the experience compared to the 2020 version. The lack of writing and illustrations on the whiteboard. I feel like a lot of these concepts become so much easier to grasp and remember when they're broken down visually. In the 2020 version, seeing the Story Circle / Hero's Journey actually get drawn on the board was great. Having all the different concepts be put down into bullet lists and expanded upon one by one was great. I understand that this particular classroom is maybe a little less suited for it, but I still miss the visual aids.
Brandon I deadly hope you check the comments so you can learn that people DO still use ringtones! Maybe iPhones don't let you choose a ringtone but Android phones do, and this is a great prank 🤣 don't let apple kill your genius prank
I love these lecture series, but I wish he would use more diverse examples than just star wars, lord of the rings, etc. I understand that he's doing that because everyone knows those stories, but I think he could risk using more "obscure" stories that not everyone will know by giving a 30 second elevator pitch of what the story is and how it relates to what he's talking about. I feel like he was kind of reaching to explain things in terms of star wars in some sections.
Pat Rothfuss. Is it weird to see Brandon mention you, and what kind of structure you are probably going to use, in the lecture you are watching? And on that note - is it weird to read this comment?
Did we get taught anything more than a basic outline of the Hero's Journey and the 3-act structure? This was a lot of anecdotes and meandering personal stories... In his first lecture this year, he said he will be "giving us a toolbox to use from". Does that mean I can further expect to just hear basic definitions and life stories through the rest of the course's topics? This is also a far cry from something like the 2012 lectures, which were chalk-full of useful information... Edit: The video is called "Plot Theory". How is delivering a Q&A with the class delving into theory? The series is called "Philosophy of Writing". Will we ever get to that, or is it just a 'elite-sounding title'?
Like he mentioned, this is a survey of different plot structures which you might be interested in. If any of them resonate with you, this lecture is a jumping-off point for further research. It's a toolbox in the sense of, "here's a list of tools you might be interested in, plus a description of what it does and when you should use it." Some people will pick up one tool, others will gravitate towards different tools, depending on preferences and needs. As for "philosophy of writing," that was just the first episode of the series -- an exploration of why we write, how to approach writing, and how to learn writing. Regarding the anecdotes, I think that's just how Sanderson talks. I find them helpful, but if you don't, there are other courses out there.
the joseph campbell thing gets out of whack the more literally it is taken. i would advise people follow it up with k.m. weiland's archetypal character arcs
Thanks to you my novel, Permadeath, got published! And my audiobook got narrated by Michael Kramer!
That’s awesome!
Congrats!!!
The goat!!!
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!🎉🎈🎊
Congrats man
I've followed closely the first two lectures and avidly been waiting for the third one. I guess I'm following the whole course!
Even though I'm a doctor from the other side of the world 🇮🇹 , I can get lectured about my hobbies by Brandon Sanderson.
What a time to be alive!!
Thank you so much for this!
I would love to shake Brandon's hand at some point and thank him for the many, many, many hours I've spent watching and rewatching his lectures over the years and for how they've enriched my life.
Regular blue collar finish carpenter here, who loves audio books while working. Just want to say these are really interesting to listen to while working. So thanks Mr Brandon
Brandon mentioned that we'll see certain ways his lectures have changed since the last series and having watched the previous one like three times. This lecture is the most radically different so far. Spending only the last couple of minutes on the thing that took up the majority of the equivalent previous lecture is fascinating and I really felt like i got something new out of this one. I've heard most of theses structures before but having them all in one place really helps me sort them in my head.
An analogy I find useful from music history: What defines most of the great classical & romantic composers is how they’re partly working within and partly defying or innovating on a set of familiar forms and structures. You expect a return to the tonic, instead I change keys entirely. The effect still depends on the structure: I expect X, instead Y. When you get to the 20th century & Schoenberg, even the minimal structure of tonality is abandoned, and you get music that is celebrated by other composers & music theorists, but so alien & lacking in familiar landmarks that most ordinary people find it quite difficult to listen to with enjoyment. You absolutely want some writers pushing on that frontier for a tiny avant garde audience, but there’s an upper limit to how far you can ditch structure & remain accessible to a broad readership. Most writers want enough departure from structure to feel fresh & original, but not so much it’s literary Schoenberg.
🔥 Story Structures - Plot Theory🔥
00:01 - Intro and overview.
03:09 - Conflict makes a story.
05:02 - Purpose of obstacles.
06:42 - Dan Harmon's Story Circle.
07:26 - Hero’s Journey strengths & flaws.
14:03 - Dangers of rigid structures.
19:01 - Circular storytelling & progress.
25:48 - Layering multiple story arcs.
29:01 - Tropes: Using vs. avoiding.
30:44 - Yes, but / No, and method.
36:54 - Try-Fail Cycle & Points on a Map.
42:00 - Obstacles as learning tools.
44:46 - Plot holes & avoiding distractions.
54:54 - Three-Act Structure & pacing.
57:54 - Major dramatic question.
01:03:23 - Midpoint twists & escalation.
01:06:54 - Adapting books into film.
01:13:24 - Borrowing structures from other genres.
backwards hat guy late to class two weeks in a row lol
His hockey training clashes slightly
The beginning of a redemption arc
@@Ruylopez778he's the jock that's secretly a closet nerd and has to sacrifice his sports career in order to help the cute-wait-til-she-removes-her-glasses class president who majors in politics with her rally to prevent big oil from freaking the hell out of that reservoir and pollute the town's natural springs
I started watching your lectures years ago to learn more about writing/narrative, to apply it to the video game/s I was working on. Now my friends know of you, as a famous author. Very cool. 😎
Hey! I'm planning to apply this to games too.
@@cubicinfinity2the 'yes and' and 'no but' is indirectly the best explanation about resolving partial successes in ttrpgs
This series is amazing. The 2020 lectures, especially the ideas on plot and outlining, inspired me to start outlining a novel I hope to write later this year. It's crazy that this stuff is free. Excited to see what new tools I find this time around!
Brando Sando is the man! So good at giving tools and not prescriptions. Shows incredible skill and understanding of the art of writing and at the same time humility--especially for one of the most successful fantasy authors of all time. Thanks Brandon!
I think one of the things I love about this updated lecture series is the notes. They really help break these concepts down and help keep them fresh.
Since watching your lecture series I've been reinvigorated to make time for my current work in progress every day! You've helped remove a lot of stress from my mind about writing my stories.
A man of the people! So grateful this is available for us to view free.
This lecture made me realize what actually was the plot structure of my first atempt to writte a novel. Honestly, this is being so helpful. I'm not just learning stuff. This actually is reinforcing and explaining to how my own approach to storytelling and analysing media works and it has a name
While I can appreciate that it's a really cool opportunity to have Brandon Sanderson in the room with you answering questions, I wish some of the students could keep them relevant to the lecture. :/
Brandy Sandman, at it again!
-I should really start writing already instead of watching these lectures-
Writing my debut novel this year! So excited for these updated lectures 🎉
Currently reading through Tress of the Emerald Sea, and it's so fun to hear these lectures and actually see and realise how all this is getting used in your own books.
It feels very much like an example book around the lessons you teach, getting too read 2 different stories at once, which is great. :)
Again, Thank you so much for uploading these lectures, Brandon. I’m still in the middle of watching the 2020 version, but will go back and forth. This is awesome!
This is what democratizing writing actually means, thankyou, and thankyou to anyone reading this who is learning as well.
I hear “try fail” cycle and immediately think of The Martian. Definitely getting me thinking!
I would love to see Brandon Sanderson do a full-spoiler case study on A Song of Ice and Fire. The TV show is finished, and people didnt like the ending. The books are not finished, and the author seems to be completely stuck... What are the Promises and Progresses in the series? Why was the show ending bad? What Payoffs need to happen to make a good ending for the books? Why is GRRM having a hard time continuing the series?
Perfect timing for this lecture to come out. Just finished a novella and now starting work on a sci-fi short story collection. Much better quality than previous recorded lectures though the information is just as useful.
IM SO THANKFUL TO YOU YOU HAVE NO CLUE
A new one! As someone who has more experience writing short stories than novels (but who wants to try my hand at the latter), I struggle with coming up with solid plots so this has helped greatly! Tysm and thanks for being a great communicator
Thank you for posting your lectures to RUclips. Today's data (Tropes and not getting overwhelmed on the tools.) was extremely helpful and motivational.
My favorite day of the week because of this.
watching these lecture from India love your lecture and books sir.
I'm so very grateful for your passion and willingness to share it with us. Much love from Missouri. 💛
Bro's in the front row learning from one our current GOAT writers and is playing MTG... I love games too, but dang brother....
It's pretty ridiculous because it's super hard to get into his class
A couple of thoughts insplired by this lecture:
- A piece of advice I've echoed about writing is to always have an idea where you're heading. You don't have to stick to it, but having that destination in mind is important. To use a metaphor: if you want to take a road trip, you could just get in your car and start driving around randomly, and you might even end up somewhere interesting, but chances are you'll just drive around in circles for a few hours. If you set off with a destination in mind, you could well end up getting lost along the way, or find a roadsign for the biggest ball of twine in Minnesota and divert to that, but you'll almost always end up going somewhere at least as interesting as your original destination.
- There's a model of mastery I quite like for its symmetry, which states that you go through four stages; unconscious incompetence, conscious incompetence, conscious competence, and unconscious competence. In other words, you start off not even knowing what you're doing wrong (or possibly even that you're doing anything wrong), then you start to understand where you are going wrong, and what you need to improve (which is a huge step up from thinking you're already good), then you start being able to do it right but still having to think about it. Finally, you reach the stage where you do things properly without even having to think about it.
And, of course, once you reach that stage, you're ready to repeat the entire cycle at the next level up...
I just screeched 'yay!!!' when I saw the video
Thinking back to the time my final project in my folklore class was on the monomyth.
What in the *heavens* , I just binge watched the other two lectures like, half an hour ago
My favourite "No structure" story is The Slow Regard of Silent Things by Pat Rothfuss. Just, nothing else like it.
After trying to follow a structure for my first novel, but writing the actual chapters basically by discovery writing, I found my own process that works for me. I'm sure it's got a name, but I basically put my characters into situations and then see what they do, rather than try to plan what they'll do and then write it.
It's called being a DM. You enjoy it and/or you go crazy.
In Star Wars there is not only multiple layered Hero’s Journey cycles for Luke, but also Anakin follows the Hero’s Journey too. Lucas really does love that structure.
If you want more sourced and more flexible alternative to Hero's Journey, look up Propp's "Morphology of the Folktale" written a couple decades earlier. It's much more flexible, has tons of optional steps, taken from Eastern Slavic fairy tales, doesn't require virgin births
The Hero's Journey is just a framework for storytelling. There is no requirement for a virgin birth in the Hero's Journey framework. You're thinking of his allusion to the "monomyth" or Hero With a Thousand Faces
@@BR0STRADAMUS Yeah, that
This lecture came out at a perfect time, I’m struggling to figure out an outline for a story I’m going to start writing. Thanks Brandon!
I’m not writer, I never plan to write a book, but I love to listen to his lectures!
So good! Q for Brandon- do you ever teach the Jim Butcher Scene/Sequel system?
That one blew my mind.
Speaking of characters that have similarities: I'm re-reading through Raymond Feist's Magician series for the first time in a while, and I didn't realize how similar the characters of Brandon's Dalinar and Raymond's Tomas are. They're definitely not the same and end up growing in different directions, but the similarities definitely are there. I really enjoy both characters for themselves.
Interesting thoughts.
love you doing this, G
Thank you for this.
Ever read a romance novel that you assumed was a fun beach read but turned out to have on-page abuse? It's not fun. Nothing wrong with books that deal with those subjects, but I'm going to need a heads up first. I read romance when life is kicking my up and down the street, or when I'm grieving, or when I'm overwhelmed. Those trigger warnings help people make a choice about what they're willing/able to metabolize. (Appreciate the lectures. I always get something out of them. Thanks!)
Romance covers a lot of flavors. Back before electricity I knew a young lady that mostly read the noble pirate captain sub-genre.
I wasn't a pirate or a captain so it didn't really work out for us. But hey, incandescent lights were cool.
Even though these points will probably only resurface in my roleplaying campaign, I appreciate this master class from a master author nontheless.
Hello, internet groupmates.
How are your stories going?
I'm just on the outlining part now. Actually, I haven't ever finished a story before, but this time I'm going to. Not for publication, just to have some fun in the process and see if I'm capable of finishing it.
My story is going good. I’m one-third of the way through the rough draft! My resolution this year is to finally finish my novel; it’s been fun so far.
I’m doing it for fun too, probably won’t publish it.
Man, I love free educations!
Still can’t believe these lectures are free
I love Brandon needing to confirm every class when they end 😂
See everyone, he’s human too
47:22 The Nazgûl had flying monsters; flying to Mt. Doom on eagles would've left the heroes too exposed, increasing the chances Sauron would've caught them & taken the ring.
(Someone's probably said this out before, but I feel obligated to point it out every time that criticism comes up.)
Great!!!
14:14 this is important to remember.
Probably because I am not religious (and also Phantom Menace was indeed my first Star Wars experience) but for the longest time I had it in my head a completely unique interpretation of the scene when Anakin's mom talks about his "conception": "There's no father" to me registered as " his father abandoned me and I don't want to talk about it😅 And for some reason I even filled in the blanks with my own head-canon immediately like "Oh, maybe the boy's father was a Jedi/Sith that came and went in this planet, maybe he just left or he died, anyway the writer is just telling us *it doesn't matter who his father is* 😅 it wasn't after many years someone online told me they specifically disliked Phantom Menace because of "the divine conception of Anakin"; and was like " the divine -what-now??"😅
I’m not even an aspiring novelist and I’m gobbling this up lol
YOU CANNOT HAVE MY PAIN
About gorillas in phone booths, the unicorn in Blade Runner, it is very vague and obscure, yet it adds to the story in the sense that it’s open to interpretation (I know about the director’s cut, but we can interpret it as we want anyway). So, how can I know if I’m writing one or the other?
I always thought Dan Harmon's (Community/Rick and Morty) story circle was more applicable to screenplay than novel?
LSV mentioned!
Thank you so much for posting these lectures. Quick question about the 3 act structure. I know every book is different, but on average, what percentage of the novel is for acts 1, 2, and 3? I would guess it's closer to 40%, 40%, 20% or even as far as 50%, 40%, 10%. What do you think it is?
The try fail cycle with destroying the death star is watching multiple x-wing pilots using their targetting computers and not succeeding before Luke instead uses the Force :)
Story Engineering by Larry Brooks is a very good companion book for this lecture if anyone is looking for something written
I never thought Anakin's mother, a slave was saying that he was a virgin birth. I always thought she was saying that a slave doesn't have the luxury of knowing who her partners are in G speak.
Adoooonalsium
Bearded Sanderson is such a chad
Here we go:
Things to do before I die #73 play a game of cube draft or commander with Brandon Sanderson and @LSVargas. 1:10:40
Hey! My sister is currently editing her book and is gonna publish it while I have no whatsoever life or talent and skill so I thought of writing a book I had a lot of trouble on my plot but with the help from this vid I got one but I’m having tons tons of trouble with outlining my sis just enrolled in a writing workshop and I’m not entirely sure if I wanna write so I asked her if I could sit next to her and listen just for a while before I pay…. What did she say No idk why so I’m trying to learn without a workshop when I came across your channel thank you so much for the tips next vid can you do outlining your book?
Anyone know what film he is talking about at 31:48 ?
Maybe What’s Up Doc if I’m remembering the movie well enough
@@JerodBork I think you're right, thanks!
Safest way to avoid plot holes is to make your story character driven. People are illogical, and so their counter-intuitive actions can be made to make more sense than a mcguffin that just happens to be conveniently close and accessible
Witcher 3 beat you with 4 prologues. I’m curious if you can beat it with 5. Though in terms of story structure there are really only 3. I think it’s safe to assume you might classify the white orchard “prologue” as the beginning of act 1 instead of a prologue.
Oh yeah. We're eating good tonight bois.
I'm really enjoying these lectures, but there is one thing that I feel diminishes the experience compared to the 2020 version. The lack of writing and illustrations on the whiteboard. I feel like a lot of these concepts become so much easier to grasp and remember when they're broken down visually. In the 2020 version, seeing the Story Circle / Hero's Journey actually get drawn on the board was great. Having all the different concepts be put down into bullet lists and expanded upon one by one was great.
I understand that this particular classroom is maybe a little less suited for it, but I still miss the visual aids.
@9:40 he already made several Star Wars references before this lol
I dont know why but it seems so obvious that Brandon would take and empathise something from LSV.
The all is lost moment? American dad?
Here early!
Does anyone know what the top word says on the whiteboard? I can't read if it says remote, or remaster, or something else.
Brandon I deadly hope you check the comments so you can learn that people DO still use ringtones! Maybe iPhones don't let you choose a ringtone but Android phones do, and this is a great prank 🤣 don't let apple kill your genius prank
yay
For those who enjoy hating on CinemaSins, Shaun has a fun series about this.
Welp, just found what I'm listening to this afternoon while I work.
Tragic hero "refusing to do" something makes a lot more sense than saying they have a "fatal flaw" which is just so vague to me.
I love these lecture series, but I wish he would use more diverse examples than just star wars, lord of the rings, etc. I understand that he's doing that because everyone knows those stories, but I think he could risk using more "obscure" stories that not everyone will know by giving a 30 second elevator pitch of what the story is and how it relates to what he's talking about. I feel like he was kind of reaching to explain things in terms of star wars in some sections.
Ahh yes, lectures all morning, meetings all evening, let me enjoy my lunch with another lecture 🙂↕️
Here we go again...
George Lucas has a talk show Brandon should be on!
tropes free the writer
Really REALLY missing the visuals he puts up on the board
I personally think a proper Lord of the Rings movie adaptation needs to be a musical.
tl;dw - always add "Gorilla in a phone booth" trope to your story.
Pat Rothfuss. Is it weird to see Brandon mention you, and what kind of structure you are probably going to use, in the lecture you are watching? And on that note - is it weird to read this comment?
Come to Jesus moment, can also be called, confronting your (inner) demon
ima use this to become a cracked yoututuber
ok but what screwball comedy was he talking about?
Someone answered. It's "What's Up, Doc!" Just recently watched. It's good!
Did we get taught anything more than a basic outline of the Hero's Journey and the 3-act structure? This was a lot of anecdotes and meandering personal stories...
In his first lecture this year, he said he will be "giving us a toolbox to use from". Does that mean I can further expect to just hear basic definitions and life stories through the rest of the course's topics?
This is also a far cry from something like the 2012 lectures, which were chalk-full of useful information...
Edit: The video is called "Plot Theory". How is delivering a Q&A with the class delving into theory? The series is called "Philosophy of Writing". Will we ever get to that, or is it just a 'elite-sounding title'?
Like he mentioned, this is a survey of different plot structures which you might be interested in. If any of them resonate with you, this lecture is a jumping-off point for further research.
It's a toolbox in the sense of, "here's a list of tools you might be interested in, plus a description of what it does and when you should use it." Some people will pick up one tool, others will gravitate towards different tools, depending on preferences and needs.
As for "philosophy of writing," that was just the first episode of the series -- an exploration of why we write, how to approach writing, and how to learn writing.
Regarding the anecdotes, I think that's just how Sanderson talks. I find them helpful, but if you don't, there are other courses out there.
the joseph campbell thing gets out of whack the more literally it is taken. i would advise people follow it up with k.m. weiland's archetypal character arcs
Its sad how nobody realizes Cinemasins is supposed to be ironic