Top 10 Cliches, Myths, & Half-Truths in the Shooting Industry
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Massad Ayoob "A competition is not a shootout, but every shootout is a competition".
His latest vid is great.
I think the idea of “slow is smooth, smooth is fast” is about 2 things knowing your fundamentals and slowing down things in your mind. As a mechanic and guitar player it applies to both, you need to know the fundamentals and practice them to gain speed. That said it’s absolutely correct that if the problem only happens at speed then you need to push through that barrier but if your just pushing sloppy skills you can’t fix that at speed no matter how fast you try.
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This. right here. Keep it simple before trying to get sexy.
Yo. Thanks for the comparison in learning an instrument. I play keys and guitar. I’ve approached learning stuff the same way. Scales, chords and lines. Over and over.
As a GM shooter I hate that myth. Slow is slow and fast is fast. In practice try to shoot a stage as fast as you possibly can at world record pace or faster. But objectively remember that run and see how you can modify what you did to positively impact the outcome without skowing down. That way in the next round of practice you can employ the same speed and get more hits. Rinse and repeat. Obviously you may never get 100% hits while chasing such absurdly fast speeds, however you will make marked improvements over time. Also your overall speed limit to get 100% hit will also improve markedly.
It's also only half the saying, "slow is steady, steady is smooth, and smooth is fast"
"He goes to shoot a match and...gets his shit pushed in." lmfao Haven't heard that one in years. 🤣
For a beginner, following established recommendations is helpful. For a seasoned shooter, question everything.
A shooting competition is not a gunfight.
A gunfight is absolutely a shooting competition.
Myth 11: "New shooters need to start with iron sights."
Myth 12: "Shooting 'expert' qualification indicates good marksmanship skill."
Myth 13: "Breathing is the primary cause of high/low shots."
Myth 14: "Military and law enforcement are well trained in shooting."
Myth 11: You cannot buy marksmanship
Myth 12: If you cannot shoot well on the range, you won't under stress
It's a progression...you start out slow, that translates to smooth, and smooth turns into fast. That is very applicable in shooting I think. If you go through the motions slowly, smoothly, then muscle memory will inevitably get faster. Simple really
"Slow is smooth, smooth is fast" Is an extension of Wyatt Earp saying "Take your time but do it quickly!"
I have always felt from doing martial arts that "slow is smooth, smooth is fast"
More has to do with if you cant even do or understand a technique slow and delibirate. You will not have a change at doing it good when things speed up.
Start learning it slower so you understand what it is your doing, so when its starts speeding up you already understand the technique. And dont have to actively think about that part, it has become a reflex/muscle memory so it frees up more thinking power for other things.
I've always had a problem with the "this is where you place your trigger finger" thing because of the exact same reason you mentioned: everyones body is different. When I first started I was hung up on putting it exactly in the "right position". Eventually I just started moving my finger around until I could consistently pull the trigger with no sight movement. Its not exactly the position your supposed to use but it sure works for me.
It ain't stupid if it works. My favorite saying ever. I've seen people that shoot better one handed....which is against everything taught today. Of course they spend countless hours learning to shoot that way.....
My fingers don't grow or shrink when I change pistols between a semi and a revolver. But the placement of my finger on the trigger does change.
Outstanding Gents, Give ‘em One! I’ve been rocking the ghost blue Costa’s since 2011, rock on Dave! Goodnight Chesty wherever you are.
When it comes to fire arms skills training i measure my skills on speed/time and accuracy. Try different things to figure out what works well but also is consistent and reliable. I agree that you should start with the fundamentals and work accuracy then shift to getting faster. Also get in shape. Agility might be what saves you from being shot but also allow you to shoot first. This is such a great channel! Keep bringing us the truth and reality of real life firearm use.
Great stuff guys! Thank you!
Thanks for all the great tips once again, everything you guys do has been very helpful in my training and ability to be on target in a stress situation!
Pretty sure the “slow is smooth, smooth is fast” is just a variation of “you gotta learn how to walk before you can run”
I would add the "press-out" pistol presentation and the idea that "you need a light on your rifle."
I use competition/time standards to push my abilities! Just plinking at a target is ok. But pushing your basic abilities always makes you better, and shows you where you can improve!
Great stuff
Great job Guys. Thanks
Thanks, I really enjoyed your discussions on myths and half-truths. Learned a lot.
Practicing for a steel challenge match today I ran down to my last 25 rounds, but I wanted to run it one more time, but I knew if I missed one time I would go home sad, so the last 25 rounds I ran my slowest time of the day, but I did not miss once. If I was in a actual gun fight that's the way I would ''try'' to do it, take your time in a hurry.
we really didn't need to know all that, nor do we care.
@@Shadow_Baron what’s your problem? His comment was relevant and added to the conversation.
I love these cliches. It shows how we can be mindless and not even bother to make sure they’re correct or bs.
Yeah, we need one for all 50 states!
I agree 100% with you. As a CCW instructor I do use most of these myths and half truths for new shooters. Learn the basic fundamentals. Then push them out of their comfort zones. Just me.
On #9, shorter barrels being "less accurate", there is something to be said about SBRs, lower muzzle velocity, and effective range. If your round goes transonic, the flight path can become pretty erratic. So it's not about a shorter barrel being less accurate by nature, it just has a different application (and limits) compared to a 20" barrel.
lol it was originally---- fast is slow, slow is quick, quick is smooth.
Try this. Slow yields smooth; smooth yields fast.
As someone with a lot of experience in virtual street racing, I can attest that slowing down before turning tight corners will indeed result in a faster completion of the race
Pretty cool
Dude, where did you get the STP hat? I'm jealous!!
both shooting slow and accurate then build up speed and shooting fast and inaccurate then build accuracy works, but shooting fast then build accuracy seems to work better now. I changed my training to going fast then build up accuracy and it works better for me
Hey all. As a relative "noob" i must say that pinning the trigger helped me to learn not to slap the trigger. Now im working on getting faster now that im closer to center target on most shots
My salient point is that this may be a great place to start until you understand how the trigger squeeze should feel. Then you can add the feel of the reset during dry fire, then add it during live fire.
Seems to have worked for me at any rate. Maybe others dont need this.
Trying to quad load a shotgun, is difficult for me. I tell myself " slow is smooth" to keep the shells off the ground. IT WORKS...
Nose to charging handle is one I spend a lot of time fixing in the military. Guys using red dots and even acogs, choked on the rifle. It was started to help drill Sargents training draftees during veitnam. Makes it a bit easier prone shooting open sights but introduces lots of bad habits.
Watch the Clint Eastwood movie "Unforgiven". Toward the end of the movie he explains some things to the young kid about being in a gunfight and how the one that moves deliberately and smooth while keeping his head is usually the one that wins the fight. With that he gives a good description of a phrase like "Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast".
Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch: "Tell the fast fairy to fuck off! Worry about shooting good! When your heart rate goes over 120 beats per minute, you will shoot fast!
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. I always took it to mean you start out slow and correct, and as you go along, speed will come. Doesn't mean you stay slow, never did. If you don't get it, you don't get it.. move on
Short vs long barrels. Accuracy between the 2 is generally the same. Long barrels are preffered for precision because higher velocity reduces time of flight which gives the environment less time to effect the flight.
Wyatt Earp, "That you"re time in a hurry".
I always took the slow/smooth/fast bit as more of efficiency. The analogy of driving a car is true, it handles different fast than it does slow. But if you're hitting things maneuvering at 20mph what chance does that person have at 80 or 120mph? For a lot of people learning is incremental and progression. Trying to be 'fast' and jamming a mag like an ape hopped up on horny goat weed and never getting it into the well, 6-7 'fast' attempts (and screwing up) is in fact slower than the person who took a beat and popped it in first time. Doesn't mean stay that speed forever but no one just trains to be a pro off the bat, with pretty much anything. If that worked they'd put new pilots in a g5 and skip the cesspool.
One addendum...
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Miles' logical comparison is spot on, but misses the point. Replace the word "Is" with the word "Becomes" and let 'er rip.
Some of the best folks are crayon eaters, perhaps a little dense and require simplification. Single syllable words are great for this application.
That surprise trigger brake idea is BS. I made expert marksman with an M16 A2, iron sight. The trick is to learn to shoot each rifle the way it operates and adjust your process to the rifle. They all have different triggers and a host of other differences to consider. You can't be completely still on a planet that rotates 800 to 1000 mph. Learning to time the site to your desired point of impact with the trigger brake, is the way to shoot consistently at distance.
Maybe I'm misremembering something but was the heels prone bit also had the reasoning of less damage when shelled?
That one on competition vs street/tactical is the same one you also hear in jiu jitsu/ traditional martial arts vs martial sports. You need to train both because both have something to offer that the other doesn't. It's not an either this or that but this and that!
When a shooter is missing and the instructor tells them to slow down. No. It's time to speed everything else up. See the sights faster, control the gun faster.
I always wondered why the bullet would rise. Obviously gravity immediately starts to pull the bullet towards earth. But people really think the bullet actually rises on it’s own.
I'd say the only way pinning the trigger to the rear is acceptable is if the gun has zero overtravel to where it breaks at the rear already.
Most guns break before the rear, so theoretically, you should have already stopped applying pressure once the wall breaks even before you reach the rear to stop the trigger from moving. Adjustable triggers work the same way as there would be a miniscule amount of allowance to ensure that the wall will be broken, otherwise the travel stop may prevent the shot from breaking.
So a perhaps odd point....I'm going to disagree a little bit.
It wasn't until I started "burying the trigger" intentionally before letting off that I was able to develop a more consistent trigger aqueeze instead of a slap. Now that I have that down, I'm progressing to exactly what you said...feeling the break and releasing smoothly then squeezing again smoothly.
Alot of time to get it right.
I believe the origin of the phrase "slow is smooth, smooth is fast, came from motorsports, not the Navy SEALs(stolen valor???...jk). They may have adopted it, but it's been around for as long as dude's have been racing cars. In my "former" life I was a competitor in motorsports. It refers to the driver's input to the various controls. If you stab the gas "fast" coming out of a corner you get wheel spin which is slow. Press the throttle smoothly(dare I say slowly) at the edge of adhesion. If you crank the steering wheel too quickly you lose front grip and understeer into the the corner, etc. etc., it's the only activity I know of where that stupid phrase belongs. It does not belong on the range... slow is slow. "Efficient can be fast-er"
I suggest a change:
"Fast is fine. Accuracy is Final."
---Wyatt Earp
Slow = fast I think in the competition aspect it means slow = less misses/points lost = a better score (time) vice shooting fast and missing results in a worse (slower time from penalties).
Anything that warrants you firing once is worth shooting twice. If its worth shooting twice give it another pair to be safe. Ammo is alot cheaper then getting shot by a downed threat.
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast has been around race car driving for years. It was "stolen" by the gun folks. It had to do with shifting smooth, entering corners and braking smooth and getting back on the gas smooth. It is 100% accurate when driving a race car or motorcycle, no idea if it applies to guns or not. I can see how it applies to gun fighting, but I don't feel like I can speak to that with any authority.
Seems like a pedantic argument to me. Take a draw for example. You start slow so you can build muscle memory (i.e., smooth), and that allows you to become fast. If you try to start fast, you’re going to fumble which is unsafe and inefficient. Become efficient, then you can speed up until you start making mistakes. Then slow it back down just a little to smooth out those mistakes. Repeat as necessary until you can smooth things out at speed. Then try to push it faster.
So let’s say I’m trying to learn speed reloads. Instead of starting out slow, I go full matrix. My left arm is a blur as I completely miss the magwell and toss a loaded mag through the window. Are you telling me that you really wouldn’t tell me to slow it down? That would be a fudd thing to say?
The only time your not training is when you are actually in combat. My 2 cents
lmao 12:26
My pet peeve: “Its the Indian and not the arrow”. BS, I have 5 glocks and bought my 1st one in 1990 and shooting them ever since, I bought a 2011 Staccato-P in Oct 2019 and can shoot it lights out better and have only had it for 4 years and approximately 6-7 k rounds.
Being confident and competent should be enough.
For exankle: Slow is not fast. * mic drop *
Al gores rhythm
This rookie info is really for the air force, and other gamers.
Guys, you literally contradicted yourself in the first to topics! When people say slow is smooth and smooth is fast, what they mean is calm yourself down and get back to the fundamentals. If someone is pushing too fast and are missing every 3rd shot and then have to go back and clean it up rather than slowing down a bit and hitting every shot. They are typically going to be faster or more "efficient" in the second scenario.
Never done comp shooting before. I have seen several problems like not scanning after the shooting and not watching your six. I've always trained with the gear that I will use on the street. Around 15 years ago, I set up a "tactical belt" to use at home in the event of a home burglary. A home invasion actually happened on my street. With extra mags, a light, and a dump pouch. I can't stand it when people say, "double tap". I was told it is a "hammer". A "controlled pair" if you use your sights.
The Wrist Has To Remain In Alignment At All Times. Trigger Squeeze & Lastly A Handgun Or At That A Rifle That Fits Your Hand Or Body.
I disagree with slow is fast from your opinion as if I take my time with skill peeling prawns I can peel 3x what a mate did rushing the job it’s a
"Slow is smooth" is also used to play guitar. You have to slow down until you can control it, then slowly speed up while still controlling it.
You are over thinking things just to make a video.
„Slow equals smooth and smooth equals fast“ does apply when making ammo with progressive press. In that situation, there‘s two conflicting „fasts“ - operating the press fast does not mean you make ammo fast. If you go slower and pay attention to smooth operation, you will get your ammo faster. Actually did like the motto IN THAT CONTEXT.
I don`t undestand difference between crossing legs vs crossing feets
Turning you body In place will cross your legs. Placing one foot over the other os what they're avoiding due to balance.
To be blunt..dude is not smart enough to understand the concept and "slow is smooth, smooth is fast" because MANY SEALs do talk about this and endorse it still as it's common sense....you're faster when you slow down to whatever degree you're still smooth to target than you are trying to be FAST but overshooting your next position and having to make corrections and overcorrections and on and on....go as fast as you can SMOOTHLY UNDER CONTROL even if slow, until you can add speed AND STILL BE SMOOTH AND ACCURATE...rinse and repeat...it's about a learning technique and a mindset to BUILD speed, it's not redefining what fast is genius.
They won't say it, but I will. Boy, you're dumb. Many seals are the subject of institutional in breeding. Many of them don't think for themselves, they just do what they are told. Watch the video again and try to understand. But, you lack intelligence so you won't understand.
As a new shooter when I hear some of these, I think how dumb some of them sound and they don't make sense!
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“Slow is smooth, smooth is fast” means slowing down and and applying the fundamentals. Make sure you have your fundamentals right then speed up.
You guys would agree that a beginner shouldn’t try to learn to shoot as fast as they can. You wouldn’t teach that speed is more important than fundamentals.
Basically if your a new shooter learning at a slower speed is going to give you a solid foundation as where focusing on speed initially will make you sloppy.
The other side is that if you’re an experienced shooter it means to slow down and make sure that you’re applying the fundamentals properly. Do a few reps while making sure you’re applying the fundamentals properly at a slower speed. Then after you make sure you’re doing everything correctly speed up.
It’s not saying that you should always be slow because that going to make you smoother and faster. It means you should slow down if you’re getting sloppy. Apply the fundamentals and them speed it up. It’s about learning or being complacent.
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Enjoying making yourself come across juvenile? Maybe you are around 13yrs of age I'm guessing
It ALL Comes To How Gifted The Individual Behind A Firearm. I’ve Seen So Many People Better With Rifle Than Others & Then Others Are Better With And Outperform With Better Results With Handgun Than Others. Plates Are Bullshit. Life Size Targets Is Reality In Combat Is A Hit Is A Hit Thats Bad Enough To Bleed Out When Drop & Stop Hasn’t Occurred Immediately. Regardless Their Done. To Many People On These Sites That Concentrates On A 6 Inch Plate. Most Shooters Couldn’t Accomplish That Quick Or Slow At 50 Yards Not To Mention Longer Distances. Full Body Targets Even A 12 Year Old Can Get A Hit. Not A Head Shot However A Hit Can Be Followed Up With Another Hit. The More Gifted Will Knock Out Head Shots All Day Long.
It has GOT to be exhausting capitalizing every first letter of every word
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yeah, nah. You completely misunderstood the slow is smooth and smooth is fast. It's related to LEARNING. You start slow to get smooth - once you are smooth and efficient you work on your speed. Big L on your end