FIGHTING FOR THE GOSPEL - TRUE REPENTANCE AND FREEDOM FROM SIN
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- But, we're not only going to look at what repentance means, and the difference between remorse, regret, and repentance. We're also going to look at what we are saved FROM. Because the truth is, we are not saved from hell, not directly at least.
But, we are saved from hell. We are saved from lying. We are saved from cheating. We are saved from living a life of sin. We are saved away FROM the broad road of sin and death, TO the narrow road of holiness, sanctification and eternal life.
I believe this teaching is going to open your eyes and give you many answers, and will set you free and help you desire even more to live the life God has called you to. The one the Son sets free shall be free indeed!
If you haven't seen the other lessons, you can see the INTRO to the series, FIGHTING FOR THE TRUE GOSPEL, here:
• Fighting for the TRUE ...
And you can see LESSON ONE, where we talk about FAITH, here:
• FIGHTING FOR THE GOSPE...
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Torben, you explain everything so clearly. I look forward to the next video. Repentance is so beautiful. I WANT God to reveal any darkness in me. There is nothing more I want than to walk in holiness, to be like Jesus and when the Father does reveal sin, it wrecks me. It's not fun, but I'm eager to get rid of it.
Jesus has already taken the darkness from you and has crucified it and buried it. Any darkness in you has already been dealt with and is gone forever. It is only real if you dredge up and pay attention to it. Instead, the Bible teaches, 'Walk in the Newness of Life'. You already have this New Life created in righteousness and true holiness. You are already made holy and righteous by the blood of Jesus Christ and your faith in Him. If not, how is it possible that you can BOLDLY walk into God's Almighty Presence?
@@jaylinn416 Jesus died to make the internal sin nature silent. The soul/mind must be renewed. If your mind is not renewed you will continue doing your old sins. Yes we all have unsanctified areas of our minds. If you say you have no sin you are a liar. The darkness she’s talking about is any behaviors that are offensive to God. Only Jesus can change those things and the Holy Spirit must bring those areas out of ignorance into the light of the knowledge we have, then we turn those things over and repent of them.
THANK YOU TORBEN! When you hear THE TRUTH It's like being in a dark room then someone switches on THE LIGHT ! I AM NOT ASHAMED OF THE TRUE GOSPEL IT IS THE POWER OF GOD TO SAVE ALL WHO BELIEVE !I'M LOVING THIS SERIES❤🙌THANKS BE TO GOD!
Torben, I have never seen or heard a better salvation message about true Repentance
Thank God for his grace which opened a door for me to repent just now.
Thank you Torben! The truth in this video is almost as groundbreaking as Luther's discovery 500 years ago, because so many Christians live as slaves to sin. There is freedom from conscious sin and here it is explained to you!
Thank you very much Torben!!! Thank you for this amazing and so needed teaching about Sin and true repentance. No repentance without a true and complete understanding of sin which is coming always against our creator God. It’s against God and Heaven itself when we sin. May our wonderful LORD fill our Country Germany, Europe and the whole world with this true Gospel. Let’s keep on fighting for the truth!! We pray for you and stand with you! God bless!
Thank you Torben, this is so strong! I need this so much! I have been baptised without repentance, failing to see what God was giving... With the most worse outcome you can imagen... When I was baptised there was a change of heart but it did not take root. I am on that dead road, I need help, I want that true livestyle with Jesus, I have sinned against God and its that relationship I miss the most. I want the sacrifice that Jesus made to be real in my live, I want that true freedom, that true obidience, that is not in this world, a true new concience and hart and to accept that Jesus is really Master over my hole live. You are right, the mind set of what I believe and who I believe in is what I do, no matter what happens, not in myself but in Him, in Jesus! Thx Torben!
'We are not saved from hell. We're saved from our sins, hell is a result of those sins; but it's not directly hell we are saved from; we are saved from our sins!' (ca.) - Wow! So good!! Thanks once again, Torben!:D
Yes but jesus broke the curse of the power of the law of sin and death in Roman’s therefore in him we have freedom from all sin if we walk in Christ and abide in which is perfect there is no sin. That’s doesn’t mean u don’t have the capability to sin. We are no longer slaves but scripture tells us and warns us not to yoke ourselves with bondage again. To walk according to the flesh is death but to walk according to the spirit is life
Thank you Torben for this teaching. I need this. God bless you.
Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.
Notice the wrath of God. We are saved from the wrath of God being reconciled with God through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior
Hello all,
I need guidance in my Christian walk. I was saved at the young age of 9 years old, and had a radical encounter with Jesus. All was well for a couple of years. I preached the gospel to my school friends. I got baptized in water (like 4 times throughout my teen years because I felt like something was missing in my walk with God), and then once I stopped reading my Bible as much, Satan attacked me with nightmares involving death. I was so afraid and I couldn’t sleep at night, and it went on for quite a while until I fell away from God. Then once I was 15 I fell into serious sin. Sexual immorality, drunkenness, sensuality, dabbled in witchcraft, divination, new age practices, etc.
God opened my eyes once I turned 23 years old and I stopped being sexually active, I forsook all of those practices. But I’ve been battling against fear for a long time and it’s kept me even from sharing the gospel. I’ve repented from all of the practices and sin that I committed in my ignorance and I recall the moment of being saved, but can someone guide me as to why I’m not living in freedom? Why am I still in bondage to fear? I’m afraid of people and afraid to walk in the identity God has clearly given me through His word. I constantly shame myself and put myself down.
What am I missing? Do I need to be baptized in the Holy Spirit?? I’ve heard about that a lot recently and I just want to walk in liberty. I want to receive the love that God has for me. I want to walk by the Spirit and live the abundant life He has for me!
Thank you for reading and for any help you can give.
This is so good. I have to listen to it again and again with my Bible in hand.
God bless you brother!! You are truly gifted in reaching.
Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:40
@@marcgotcalledout4058 but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Revelations 14,12:
"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
Love this thank you I think plenty people get baptism without changing their life and repentance
Without the Holy Spirit baptism you’re still walking around with the body of the old man. Now I see how you join water baptism with the infilling. Thank you.
Thank you so much for your honesty I love you and the truth you speak❤🌱🕊
This video series is very well done and greatly appreciated!
This will help so many people truly understand the Gospel and Word of our Lord
Thanks Torben!
Thanks 🙏
Absolutely Biblical 👍👍👍
Not many left out there preaching this anymore!
Thank Torben for all you do!
Thank you you have explained so clearly about repentance I have no doubt anymore about it God bless you . you have given me understanding .
Hello Turban, Dear brother, I really enjoy hearing your study, since it is based on the truth only :-) Bless you! (Jonathan Perry).
Peace Be With You and Your Followers Shalom... Thankyou so much for your help and guidance and teaching its so helpful for ew people like myself who are not sure and ha e no where to go no one to talk to about it really. May Holy Jesus Christ Bless You Brother from Teresa uk Shalom
Thank you Torben for all the scriptures you shared. Not just a good teaching, but truth. We all need the boldness Paul asked prayer for: That I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel. We must preach the gospel in including repentance, baptism, and promise of the Holy Spirit that leads to salvation.
I will be sharing this link with many. Ive always felt sick when I hear an "altar call" to invite Jesus into your heart, and then they are just expected so show up each Sunday to be considered a christian. Bless you brother!
Didnt Paul tell ppl to repent n get baptized in water n the Holy Spirit? Just curious, not trying to argue
@@Brian-isatree4yhvh You are right! REPENT!, not just ask Jesus into your heart and carry on living the same ...
Waiting for next episode! Thanks a lot for the TRUTH! 💕✝️
Thank you so much for this series! ❤️🙏🏼
So glad you added that it’s the dying to our old self and being born of the incorruptible seed the word. A new creation in him our lord Jesus. The Holy Spirit the new heart ❤️ transformation beholding a mirror 🪞 let’s not walk away and forget what we look like. The holy spirit teaches us and corrects. 🙇🏼♀️
I love you Brother Torben. Thank you for this excellent teaching!
Wonderful!!! Pure truth! The gospel in pure form! Powerful! 😇
Very powerful preaching, Thank you.
Love it! Stop the sugar gospel! Jesus did not come to save us in our sins, but from our sins! Anyone who is still a slave to sin is not yet free from the guilt and punishment of sin! Jesus sets free from the addiction of sin!
Correct!
We must not only believe, but obey God in order to be saved..
It is love to tell the truth..and not distort or dilute the Word of God..
It may be diffocult in the beginning.. and we may relapse.. but God is merciful and loving and ready to forgive us if we repent.. God truly loves us and He has so many good things waiting for us if we are faithful.
It is a narrow way.. But love of Jesus is greater than any sin.. And rewardswill be geat in Heaven.. really thats what we should look and wait for..
please pray for me. i am in shackles
@@ljp9402 Start Hating Evil! Choose to hate wholeheartedly what wants to destroy us humans. Look for Jesus in his word! Ask him to reveal himself to you! We need the touch of God for the cloth to be removed from our eyes. Start thanking God for everything. Give him every thought! And ask him for guidance!
@@ljp9402 check out Hungry Generation ,rodney howard browne, Jesus image and upperoom,Derrick Prince is the best pray these help
This is so true , I became so confused in my faith recently and realised I dont
have the Holy Spirit ,
I thought that even in my habitual sin I still had Him because of what others were teaching but turns out I didn’t , I didn’t have true repentance so brothers and sisters please pray for me on this journey ❤️
Thank you thank you thank you🎉
Thank you Torben for clearing this up for me God Bless you.
im struggling with binge eating and loneliness. please pray for me brothers and sisters
Thanks for a great teaching! You are one of the good guys Torben!
"Unless you repent you will all likewise perish." -Jesus
This is light shining in the midst of darkness !!
Everyone needs to hear this, Torben. I think you need to make more videos. Maybe, some that are shorter on the order of 5 to 7 minutes. Because, some will watch a shorter one with the major points. This is very important in these days.
Torbin! On your next video about baptism, can you talk about "re-baptizm". Some have been baptized in Jesus name years back, but feel sin has crept back and maybe some sin have never really left. Should they be re-baptized. They just want freedom from sin. Do they need to fast to submit the flesh? Do they need deliverance from lustful spirits? Or do they need to man up and take cold showers or go for a run when they are tempted? Also, can you please cover the doctrine/idea that says, "when you take communion, it's like you have been baptized all over again." Meaning, "the act of doing communion washes away sins you have committed".
We will never be sinless but we must submit to Christ Jesus. Fast pray, and ask to be filled with the Holy Ghost continually and read the word of God.
we are saved from Gods wrath thru faith in Jesus Christ
What is faith in Jesus?
Rom 10 9-11
1 kor 15 :3-4
@@nbarnard Here you learn what true faith is: ruclips.net/video/wLQrU-7V1I0/видео.html
Amen brother Torbin! JESUS reigns!
Thank you I love how you emphasize on the importance of sin. We can´t play with sin and I can say from my testimony playing with sin is neither helpful nor good for our walk with Christ. I come from a liberal Christianity where people don´t talk so much about repentance or sin because they say it´s not for today because we now have the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit will correct our behavior if we do something wrong. Sin isn´t mentioned in sermons besides Good Friday so I underestimated its power for a long time. I think it´s true that one can´t understand the Power of the Gospel if you don´t understand sin.
Thank You Jesus
Yes God came in Yeshua to deliver us from slavery to sin disobedience. What about saved but being saved. Because the soul is still a work in progress. That is what some teach.
Can you please talk about deliverance after/during daptism in next video?
This was just amazing! Thanks so much. GBU
It's interesting how people can give a video a thumbs up or a thumbs down when it's only been posted a few minutes and it's nearly an hour long, clearly havn't listened to it.
Give it a thumbs up if you want to promote Torbens ministry in the RUclips algorithm
Clearly they are familiar with his message.
@@chriswood7165
Can I add James 2
Sin kills; it's very dangerous
I'm wanting to go live under a bush. I cannot understand this. I'm trying to be saved. But cannot rest.
ALLELUIA ALLELUIA ALLELUIA ALLELUIA ALLELUIA AMEN
Amazing video, thank you for explaining repentance so clearly! ❤🙌👋
SO GOOD 🎉🔥🔥🔥🙏🏼👑🙌🏼🔥🔥🔥
So true!
Help me with prayer please I give up vaping for a month then go back I can't seem to break free from this stronghold my church doesn't do deliverance
If you have been saved and born again, you will have a great desire to live holy and righteous. A false convert will have no desire to live holy, they will buy into false doctrine to justify their sin..
I feel like I'm getting my head above water , them I'm going under again to fight to be saved. I am tired.
Hi, nice to talk to you.
i fight with a sin in my life for years. i born in a christian family, and i was baptized at 12, but the sin continued. at 20 i started a life for Jesus like i''ve never before, i was serving in my local church, but the sin continued (God baptized me with the holy Spirit when i was 14)
well, last year, at 28, i started to live as a disciple, i found other disciples in the tlr map, and when God talked to many in the church, including my wife and i that i had to be born again in water, i had to baptize me again, so i did, then the sin immediately left me. so i can tell you IM FREE from sin . i repented, i wanted to left that sin behind but i couldnt until God didit in me through baptism. And now i can testify, if you are fighting with sin, but you have low or none power in that sin, may be that you need to be born again.
if you need help let me know...
God bless you
If John says, 'that you will not sin" implies that we can still sin once we're born-again. We have Jesus as our Mediator for whom we can come and repent and turn from our sins as we grow and progress spiritually into His likeness.
Linda , good afternoon! Wanted to say this. In 1 John 3:6 it says - Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. A little further on in verse 9 it says that Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remains the in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Linda there is power in the resurrection. Sin is the transgression of the law. Jesus came to set us free from the curse pronounced by the law. Romans 6 describes soooooo fantastic the effectiveness of water baptism in Jesus name ! Very very clear. Hope this helps you, and above all the in the armor of God , take on the shield of faith, werewith YE SHALL BE ABLE TO QUENCH ALLLLLLLLL THE FIERY DARTS OF THE WICKED ! In our new man we have been given power to overcome, His Holy Spirit power, AMEN HALLELUJAH JESUS!
I pray Linda that your faith remain and grow in Jesus name , and may Gods overwhelming grace and mercy be with you Linda. Last but not least , in prayer I got this revelation from God and this is what he said “ MY LOVE IS YOUR STRENGTH ” We are more than conquerors through Christ Jesus
No Linda: "If we DELIBERATELY go on sinning ..... AFTER we have received the knowledge of the truth.......then NO further sacrifice for sins remains!" (Hebrews 10:26).
There is a life and death difference between sinning ON PURPOSE ..... and sinning when f.ex. a bitter or hateful THOUGHT flashes through your mind.
Thank you God bless. I need to repent and be baptized again.
Thank you thank you thank you!!!!
...an advocate with the Father ...
I know so many bound in these conditions
Thank you Sir.
Great word.
@The Last Reformation - Torben, thank you so much for this revelation on Repentance. As I listened to your words, I measured myself and every member of my extended family (approx 60 people). I came to the cold realisation that myself and every member of my family are headed down that wide road.....For a number of reasons being grounded in traditions, sins, false church teachings, etc, etc. Not one single member of my extended family has been reborn, not one has the holy spirit and not one single person amongst them even shows the fruit of the spirit. Based on my understanding, none of them have repented, none have been "properly" baptised and none have the holy spirit, so are we all headed to hell? How do you save people you love when they they refuse to listen to the bad news? Your help would be appreciated?
2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.
Worldly sorrow is I’ve gotten caught now I’ll be punished (it’s about me)
Godly sorrow is God forgive me for I’ve rebelled against You and broken You commands and heart (it’s about HIM)
I also wonder could the 1 John verse ‘if we claim to be without sin etc etc..’ be talking about the first step of repenting and coming to Christ? And not about the Christian life? As it is now a lot of people when presented with the gospel say that they do not need to repent.. So could John be talking about the first step of repentance rather than continual repentance throughout the Christian walk if that makes sense? Therefore, John may bring a very high standard that as Christians we should now not be consciously sinning at all... As Torben says John then goes on and says IF anyone does sin not ‘WHEN’ you sin..
I have a problem with clutterness, laziness, having trouble reading the bible, and other sins.
This was an awesome teaching.Question: I have been Baptized in the past but never repented, now that I have made up my mind to truly repent of my sin, is it ok for me to get Baptized again?❤
Sin is the Mark of the Beast, so if you don't turn from it, you are marked for destruction. All the sugar coating in the world won't save you.
@@chriswood7165 Well you have to deal with the Mark of the Beast, you can't just ignore it, after all the Book of Revelation is the reveling of Jesus Christ, God's Word. Let's first look into the Book of Revelation for the new covenant Scripture you seek. Let's ask ourselves, what causes men to receive the plagues of Revelation 18?
Revelation 18:
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye *be not partakers of her sins and that ye receive not of her plagues*
SIN/THE MARK OF THE BEAST CAUSEs MEN TO RECEIVE THE PLAGUES. WE SEE HOW SIN AND THE MARK OF THE BEAST ARE TIED TOGETHER BY THE RECEIVING OF THE PLAQUES BY READING REVELATION 16:2
Revelation 16:2
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and *there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast* and upon them which worshipped his image.
Let's also look at more new covenant Scripture. Notice the reference to the hand and forehead (mind).
James 4:5
8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. *Cleanse your hands, ye sinners* and *purify your hearts, ye double minded*
Finally the Mark of the Beast is the direct opposite of the Seal of God.
2 Timothy 2:19
19 Nevertheless *the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal The Lord knoweth them that are his* And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ *depart from iniquity*
I e been baptized 8 times I'm still miserable.
Nice message! Torben ! BTW we Japanese must repent Eight million of idol worship(Japanese tradition) before we believe Jesus . Our main sin is to deny Jesus as Only one God as Lord as Savior. Many Japanese Christian treat Jesus as one of eight million of gods without notice. Japanese are different with westerner on the point . Please pray for Japan! Only less than 1% is believer.
Can a person baptize themself? Trying to not look through the traditional glass with this. I’m asking because I’ve been baptized 25 years ago. But now I know baptism is not just an outward symbol. I do not know of anyone who sees water baptism in its true understanding according to the Bible
You cannot baptize yourself i think (in the word there is always a baptizer!) however you are baptized on your own faith, not on the faith of the other person. Be baptized by a follower of Jesus, on your own faith
GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER TORBEN 🙏
"You have to repent! Turn away from your sins! You have to be born again! We are saved from our sins."
I don't understand: where of the repentance I become born again? Being born again isn't what I can produce. Where is the point God comes in?
Is repenting just my personal commitment and my try to produce fruits of repentance?
After this video I know how repentance looks like but how is genuine repentance possible?
Try see the others videos in the series. Next one baptism in water and then Holy Spirit. They are all connected
It's extremely sad that many "Christians" have bought the fake gospel of salvation without repentance. Yeshua taught a gospel that requires repentance and faith in him. Faith without repentance is a dead faith and will not save you. James said, What [does it] profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him????... Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. - Jas 2:14, 17 NKJV Yeshua came to save us from sin that leads us to death. If you are still living in sin then you have not truly repented and believed in Messiah and you have been deceived into a false gospel and are still on the road that leads to death.
So what is " Passed from death unto life if of not saved once saved?
Linda , good afternoon! Wanted to say this. In 1 John 3:6 it says - Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. A little further on in verse 9 it says that Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remains the in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Linda there is power in the resurrection. Sin is the transgression of the law. Jesus came to set us free from the curse pronounced by the law. Romans 6 describes soooooo fantastic the effectiveness of water baptism in Jesus name ! Very very clear. Hope this helps you, and above all the in the armor of God , take on the shield of faith, werewith YE SHALL BE ABLE TO QUENCH ALLLLLLLLL THE FIERY DARTS OF THE WICKED ! In our new man we have been given power to overcome, His Holy Spirit power, AMEN HALLELUJAH JESUS!
I pray Linda that your faith remain and grow in Jesus name , and may Gods overwhelming grace and mercy be with you Linda. Last but not least , in prayer I got this revelation from God and this is what he said “ MY LOVE IS YOUR POWER” We are more than conquerors through Christ Jesus
I appreciate your teaching
that gave me a lot of realization.
I have a question for you. Do you keep the sabbath day holy, on the 4th low of the Ten Commandments?
No. I am not under the law of Moses. I am under the law of christ. See our online pioneer school
So what if one is a true believer, loves Jesus, repented, has the holy spirit, speaks in tongues, has cast out demons in Jesus name, has preached the gospel...etc.
But this person is about to have their last breath. They're about to die in a desert. No access for a water baptism.
He/she died. Is this person going to heaven?!
Please see the answer here, remember we're not saved from hell but sin that leads to it:
ruclips.net/video/LxloTx3bHH0/видео.html
Love it, BUT little difference, the law is written on out heart when we receive the Spirit. Which is different than the change from a heart of stone to a heart of flesh.
Don’t agree with that. I see that as the same.
@@TheLastReformation the reason i believe this is that the anti type of the reception of the HS is the law given on mount sinai. This happen 50 days after passover, just as pentecost happened 50 days after the cross. At sinai 3000 where condemned, 3000 saved at pentecost. There was sounds of thunder on the mountain (litteral meaning = tongues) etc. So we see that the law given on sinai, perfectly corrolates with pentecost. Where the law was written on tablets of stone on sinai, but with pentecost written on the tablets of our heart (heb 8:10 etc). Therefore Law is always opposed to Spirit
‘But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.’
Galatians 5:18
Also Ezekiel ascribes this to the work of the Spirit.
‘I will put My SPIRIT within you and cause you to walk in My STATUTES, and you will keep My judgments and do them.’
Ezekiel 36:27
PLEASE reconsider as this will align all scripture and makes the HS a necessary part of the gospel of salvation from sin, as you know it is (acts 2:38)
@@TheLastReformation not to bombard you with scripture, but the law written on our heart always refers to the Spirit:
‘for this Hagar is Mount SINAI in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children-
But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the SPIRIT, even so it is now.’
Galatians 4:25, 29 NKJV
‘For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.’
Romans 8:2
‘But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.’
Romans 7:6
Etc etc its quite beautifull actually
Yes. And that happened for the 3000 when they repented and..... got born again.
Today we see the testimonies from people telling about the law in their heart when they repent and come to faith. When they get a new heart.
But we still need the baptism in water after we got a bee heart and the law written there. And the Holy Spirit to live it out.
What whas the name you said at the beginning of this video? "Hi my name is....?
Didn't sound like Torben- do you have another name too?
I'm one of your viewer here in Fiji. How can I contact to you or some of the deciples that are base here in the South Seas. I'm very much interested to the teaching as a result of wanting to baptize in water in the name of Jesus and also to be the baptize in the Holy Spirit.
But unfortunantly, I didn't see disciples in Fiji. But I hope this still helps.
God bless you Jesus image,hubgry Generation and Rodney Howard Browne are awesome ministries
I’m half way through the video and I have a question that I’ve wondered about for many years. I’ve always heard that repentance is not continuing in willful sin BUT sin is not just stealing it’s covetousness, it’s not just murder it’s hate. MY QUESTION is if someone continues to be a proud person or not caring of others and do this always can we say that they are not born again?
@@chriswood7165 Thankyou and yes I understand brother but my question is about the video can we say some one is not born again if they are always proud and always coveting or always mean and despiteful. I like your response very much we cannot earn salvation but still I’m just asking can we say to someone who is that way you are not born again?
@@jacobdiscipleofjesusforeve419 yes bro I get all that you are saying this is what I believe as well but I just wanted to see if that was a true understanding according to what brother torben is preaching. There is definitely a change of heart when people believe I just see sometimes that some bad habits remain but it’s not willful sin. I just dont know what to make of a person who is a repetitive thief and say he’s a sinner going to hell and a repetitive selfish person who cares only about self. Is he not the same as a thief going to hell? I believe they both are wrong but I don’t want to just demonize one person and give another a pass.
@@chriswood7165 You are deceived, if you think Christians sin! You have received a false gospel. The epistle of John deals with this false profession, he makes it absolutely clear you cannot know GOD and have sin! He says you are deceived! You have not been delivered, you are still in your sin
Yes, if anyone is walking in sin, or they don't love their brother, it is very unlikely they are born again, if they are young believer's GOD will work in them to deliver them, but if they are professing Christians they are deceived. Read the epistle of John he is clear on this 1jn1 GOD is light and in him is no darkness at all, if we say we know GOD and walk in darkness we lie and do not the truth... Read this carefully many misquote verse 9, If we say we have no sin... This verse is evidently dependant on the preceding verses; he is speaking to those who say they know GOD but walk in darkness, they are in denial, deceiving themselves, as Jude says they have separated themselves sensually having not the Spirit. John gives them the answer in verse nine, If we Confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Sin must be uncovered, many fail here, this was the stumbling block to the Pharisees
@@chriswood7165 Why do you assume ? There is no doubt that sin is the outworking of something spiritual; it is the outward sign of the "spirit that now workers in the children of disobedience". That is why confession is so important; it is what GOD has required from the beginning. Adam hid his sin, he failed to confess Job confirm it. JESUS said, unless you hate yourself you cannot be his disciple. This is the casting down of self. In the scriptures people made public confession, men altered this to hide their sins. What is the objection? Can you show something in the scripture? Satan wants to keep people in darkness so he has access to them for future destruction. The sin we leave unconfessed will be the root that kills. Christians who say their future sins are forgiven must be deceived, it goes against the teaching of the Bible, unless you believe GOD has changed?
Hey Torbern I have a question? My question is
:- that when you say that after you got repented and baptized you and "Everyone" follow the up and downs or some resistance of falling through the path of sanctification(The other path - the right path) yaa!!! OK then You also said that after repentance we should bury our old(dead) bodies by baptism. And my question comes this way:- I want to have a clear picture or imagination or clear understanding of burring an old body as compared to the ups and downs that you or every christian faces after baptism??? Or the clear view of carrying the dead body and new hart effect or battle?? You said the dead body will rotten soon and Kill you or have and effect!!! Sorry for my long very long question...
You have been one of the blessings in my life. I thank you. Thank You..... Lets grow together as we were, is and will be one forever....Amen.
I pray at last Grace up on Grace for Thorben and for every Christian now and forever in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
From Ethiopia.
Is repentance supernatural?
Yeshua Ha Massiach
Acts Chapter 4 verse 12: " There is no salvation through anyone else, nor is there any other name under heaven given to the human race by which we are to be saved."
Who is Christ? Who is Jesus?
Born of a virgin, Mary.
Matthew Chapter 1 verse 20: " behold, the angel of the Lord appeared to him (Joseph), in a dream and said, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for that (Christ)which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus, the Christ, is God's word made flesh. Jesus is Jehovah God's (The Creator's) Word made into flesh.
1 John chapter 5 verse 7: " For there are three that bear a record in heaven, The Father, The Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one."
John chapter 1 verse 1: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John chapter 1 verse 14: " And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
John chapter 1 verse 10: " He was in the world, and the world knew Him not."
Hebrews chapter 4 verse 12: " For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
How beautiful and awesome is God's Word, who is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, magnificent in all His glory, is He.Amen!
John's Vision Of Christ Seated On His Throne In Heaven:
Revelation chapter 4 verse 2 to 3: " Immediately, I (John), was in the Spirit, and behold a throne sat in Heaven, and One sat on the throne. And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance, and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald."
Why did Christ Jesus came and sacrificed His precious life for sinners like us?
Christ (God's Word made into flesh), came because through flesh (Adam's flesh) sin entered the world, and then because of sin death entered the whole earth. Through flesh(Jesus Christ's flesh), the earth will be saved, sin is destroyed, and the curse of death shall be broken, death and the grave shall be cast into hell.
Christ, who is God's Word made into flesh, sacrificed His life for us. He was crucified for our sins and transgressions.
Christ died, and on the third day He resurrected in the flesh, conquering death and the grave. Now, Christ is seated in Heaven, at the right hand of Power(God). Through Christ's sacrifice we gain Salvation through God's abundant mercy and grace. We are reconciled and recompensed back to God, through the shed blood of His beloved Son Christ Jesus.
John chapter 3 verse 16: " For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that who ever believes in Him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life."
Romans chapter 5 verse 8: " But God demonstrates His love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."
Christ came to undo the sin and eternal death brought upon the world through the sin of Adam.
Death in Adam, Life In Christ:
Romans chapter 5 verse 19: " For as by one man's disobedience(Adam), many were made sinners, so also by one Man's (Jesus)obedience, many will be made righteous."
Romans chapter 5 verse 18: " Therefore, as through one man's (Adam's) offense judgement came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even through one Man's (Christ's) righteous act, the free gift came to all men, resulting in the justification of life."
Romans chapter 5 verse 17: " For if by the one man's offense(Adam's offense), death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in the life through the One(Jesus Christ).
Romans chapter 5 verse 12: " Therefore, just as through one man (Adam)sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned."
Romans chapter 5 verse 21: " "So that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Do you now see that through Adam, sin and death entered the world, so that is why Christ Jesus came to give life, and give it more abundantly? Yes Christ came to give eternal life through Salvation.
Adam's flesh brought sin, death, destruction, and condemnation.
Christ's sacrifice, the crucifixtion of His flesh, brings reconciliation of sins, life, resurrection, eternal life, salvation
Christ is coming back again, not as a sacrificial lamb. He is coming back as a roaring, waring lion, to destroy sin, death, and the grave once and for all. Amen! Amen! Amen! Amen! Amen! Amen! Amen! Hallelujah!
Revelation chapter 22 verse 12 to 13: " And behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. "
Now do you see friends, Why Christ Jesus is so so Important for our Salvation? Yes.
Now, do you understand why there is only one way to God, and that is only through Christ Jesus,only? Yes.
Christ is Salvation. Christ is our Lord and Saviour. Christ is the only way to God. Christ is the only Mediator between God and men(us humans).
God loves us so much, He does not want anyone to perish in hell. God wants all sinners to be saved. That is why He sent His Word to save the world. God's Word became flesh, and dwelt among us to save us.
Will you accept Christ and be saved?
Romans chapter 6 verse 23: " For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
John Chapter 3 verse 16: " For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that who ever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life."
Salvation is free!
Salvation is free!
Christ already paid the price, all you have to do is recieve salvation through acceptance of Jesus Christ, Yeshua Ha Massiach.
So who is Christ?
He is The Word Of God. He is the Son of God. He is God. He is the image of the unseen God. He is the Alpha and Omega. He is the beginning and the end. He is the Great I Am. He is Emmanuel. He is The Christ. He is The Messiah. He is The Creator. He is our Lord and Saviour. He is our Mediator. He is the Lion and the Lamb. He is Salvation. He is the way, the truth, and life.
Amen!
I love you Lord!
God created the heavens and the earth with His spoken Word. Did you know that Jesus is that Word, through which all things were created? Yes.
John chapter 14 verse 6: " Jesus said to him," I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
Colassians chapter 1 verse 15 to 16:
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him."
John chapter 1 verse 1 to 4:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men."
I hope that you know Christ, and understand Christ better now,to the glory of God. Amen!
Christ is for all who will receive Him.
Hi Torben, I would like to ask you a question base on what you have covered about free from sin. Let's assume that a Christian has been through baptism (water & Holy Spirit). He has forsake his sins, and put his trust in Lord Jesus Christ. And in this context, and he have committed a sin example by being angry at someone or maybe not loving one neighbor as himself. I'm not saying that this Christian has a free pass to sin after receiving and accepting Jesus Christ.
So is this Christian’s future sins already forgiven?
Base on what you have discussed is he condemned to hell and cannot be forgiven anymore ?
Isn't God all knowing and he wrote author of our book of life. And he already knows that we might sin against him at some point in time ?
Ephesians 2: 8-9 says that salvation is a free gift from God and not of ourselves. Not of our works so that no one can boast.
Isaiah 64:6 says But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away.
Our works (repentance) are like filthy rags. No matter how much we repent. Don't you agree that it is still a free gift from God to grant us His salvation ?
Get a new heart and follow it. If you do wrong turn again and move on. Don’t keep doing wrong. Be holy as you father in heaven is holy.
@@TheLastReformation So what's your answer for "Is a Christian future sin is already forgiven ?"
Yes salvation is a FREE GIFT
@@irvinglee8622 the basis of forgiveness of sin is faith AND repentance. This makes the question futile as future sins must be forgiven after repentance, one cannot repent from sin he still has to commit.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
King James version .
Holy bible only only only only true words of God
Did satan have freewill to choose to either be humble and obey GOD or to rebel and be arrogant and disobey GOD...or was satan meant to be evil from the start!!?? Same about people....are all people both good and evil free to choose good and repentance or is repentance only possible for some people? Is there predestination? Then what is freewill?
Both have free will: Satan and the people. And what about predestination?
I recommend you this short part of a video from David Pawson, where predestination is explained in a sound manner (you have to start at 27:50 min):
ruclips.net/video/lq7mT9Vo9Ls/видео.html
@@ric_bc thanks for Pawson's link. Predestination is confusing because God is outside time and beyond space time. We think linearly on a timeline...but God knows the end from the beginning. And we cannot know the mind of God as God knows in Himself His own infinite mind because He is alone eternal 🙏 and infinite while we are not.
@@BenChung78 Why should god be outside of time? Of course he knows beginning and end of the earth, but this doesn’t mean he is outside of time. Did you already see the video? I’d like to know what you think.
@@ric_bc "outside time" means God's viewpoint of time is vastly superior to our human limited view of scope of time...God being before time began and beyond the constraints of times endpoint...thus time itself and everything that happens on earth and everywhere else is limited whereas God's unique eternality and infinity knows the events in time as better than we who are subject t to our human limitations of time as experienced. Thus our choices in time are subject to God's determined eternality which means our freewill then is subject to God's eternality....thus whatever we have of freewill is limited to God's decision before time and after time and during time....we don't determine eternity God does and we cannot...point is our freewill is limited by God and its determined ends subject to God...not our choice......this gets too complicated to discuss and Molinism, calvinism, and others have argued it to no end...but conclusion is its in God's hand more than man's hand as far as freewill in concerned. Peace
Torben, I repented of my sins...they were many. But there are a couple of things that keep creeping in. Does this mean I'm not saved? I'm grieved every time this happens. I fight it but, sometimes when I'm angry, or frustrated, words come out of my mouth that are sinful. I've fasted and prayed over this issue and I cannot stand that it happens. Yet, it keeps happening! It's frustrating and I don't understand why I'm not set free from this. Ive been set free from my other sins. But this mouth issue is grieving me. I don't know what to do about it. I've prayed and fasted and begged to be freed of this. Why won't it go away?
Hello, I don't know whether or not your sin leads to death. 1 John says, "All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death." There is a good list of sin leading to death in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
Do these words come out of your mouth because you lack peace and gentleness? Do these words dwell in your head and heart first and then spill out? Have you repented of the words being in your heart and in your thinking in the first place? If these words become disturbing to you by the fear of the Lord and His judgment toward words like that, can you find yourself moved enough to put those words away from you, not only from your speaking but even from your heart? And secondly, if these words are stirred up in you by the enemy, you can tell the enemy you are free by the death of Christ for sin.
@@collin501 these words are cuss words that just fly out. There is no pre- floating around in my head and I steer clear of people that use cussing. I make every attempt to avoid such words. It's frustrating.
@@elainewat2607 That does sound frustrating. Do you think they come out by habit? Is it related to certain situations, along with frustration? Or more in casual every day life? And are there situations where they don't come out, like at church?
@@collin501 it is not a daily thing, no. When I was living in the world, however, it used to be. But now, it is only when I get angry or frustrated about something.
@@elainewat2607 Have you considered that maybe something deeper than cuss words is going on? You might examine your heart to see if there's something in it that prevents you from being "slow to speak and slow to anger." If you find anything like that, then repenting of that and forsaking it should help with the cuss words. It may be worth asking the Lord about. Hope you're able to find a solution!
Ephesian 2:8- 9 For by grace you are saved through faith and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from your works so that no one can boast. Apostle Paul
Torben: Apostle Paul is wrong. ( He had a Greek mindset. ) Salvation cannot happen without holy and righteous life. You have to work hard, with all your might on your sanctification. When you have lived a clean and holy life ( relatively freed of sin because let's admit it, it is impossible to be sinless.. But your conscience will tell you that you have done sufficient work ), then you will receive your salvation. God will honor YOUR work of repentance and holiness and will grant you eternal life in Heaven.
Are we saved by grace or by faith?
Can that fairy be alone without obedience?
@@TheLastReformation I believe in Obedience of faith, not the obedience of work. Obedience of work brings work of Law back into the picture and the Grace of Christ is no longer effective for you. You have fallen from Grace and back unto your own pious work. At that point, I can just hope you are a perfect human being.
Do you know that JESUS KNOWS OUR WORKS and is calling his churches to repent and to trust in his work of salvation? Salvation belongs to those who overcome sin and darkness by his grace and truth. It’s by faith turning from our evil ways to his work of grace which will empower us to live a life in holiness which of course is also a progress. When we continue to live consciously in sin we are playing a dangerous game with a Holy God. When we do this we are profaning the precious blood of Jesus and are truly denying his sacrifice.
Don‘t twist the old covenant works of the low with the need of holiness. Without it no one will see the Lord. For this purpose we are given a Spirit of Holiness. It the work regeneration done by his Spirit.
@@heinrichtows3984 Salvation is a gift. Go read the book of Galatians because you are very confused.
@@jaylinn416 bless you bro. I'm so happy you know the true Gospel!!! This false Gospel above in the video is deceiving people and putting them under the curse and or works of the law making it as if their efforts make salvation alive negating what the foundation (Christ done on the cross has done) there is a reason he said IT IS FINISHED!!! AMEN BRO..its grace through faith in Christ not works. Keep preaching the TRUE Gospel and God will honor you.
So, you say - if people are not healed phisically after babtism and receiving holy spirit, they are not saved ???
What... listen to the teaching. We are not saying that
It would be good to re- look at 1Jn 1 you stress context, context, context, you used V8 out of context, It reads to me like this: verses1-3 introduction,
4, purpose, 5, The message
6, examination, 7, result of passing, 8, denial of failure, 9, roadmap for passing, 10, refusal of roadmap and ultimate failure.
I don't see how verse 8 can be used as a generalisation when John is using it to describe those who fail an exam.
I have one question. Sin Is leading to death, but every human dies, why does repented persons still dying ? True repented persons will not die naturally and be martyrs ?
I pray the Holy Spirit leads and guides you into all truth,hungry generation,Jesus Image and derrick prince are really good..
The body die. Not the person.
Those that are in Jesus will get a new body.
@@TheLastReformation Yes. Only there perfect.
Fruit of death is unforgiveness pride fear anger shame sickness anxiety depression…
Example: if a person lives in drug addiction then he will eventually reap sickness depression shame …
(sin leading to fruit of death)
James 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
@The Last Reformation So my understanding is that Jesus saves us from Slavery to Sin as Jesus talked about in John 8:34-36 and as Paul described in Romans 7:14-25. We who are Born Again of water and the Holy Spirit are no longer Slaves to Sin but Slaves to Righteousness, (Romans 6:18). So we CANNOT Sin against our will? As you say in a comment below "we don't go on living in willfully sin". So you CANNOT Sin with Knowledge that what you are doing is Sin? Am I understanding?
If so, we have been restored to the innocent state of Adam before he fell but as we know Ezekiel 36:25-27 takes it a step further and links to Acts 2:38 saying that the Holy Spirit who He would put in us would "cause" us "to walk in" His "statutes", and we would "keep" His "judgments, and do them."
1 John 3:9 goes even beyond this and says,
"Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he CANNOT sin, because he is born of God."
According to Greek professors this translation of the passage is correct and it is very clearly saying that because of this "seed of God" "remaining" in the person who has been "born of God" they have become INCAPABLE of committing Sin.
This seams to indicate that we who are born of God can't even Sin in Ignorance because the Holy Spirit has promised to keep us even from that.
I know that 1 John 1:8 immediately comes to mind and I do not deny that All have Sinned in the past (such were some of you ... 1 Corinthians 6:11
) but if we have confessed our sins and been forgiven and been washed/cleansed and sanctified has He not also been faithful to save us from "ALL unrighteousness" 1 John 1:9 ?
If there is a new heart and a new spirit and we have been joined with the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:17) how could we be able to Sin and if so how could we be saved afterwards (Hebrews 6:4-6)?
bless you Torben
Thank you, but I don't think you covered confession fully, there must be a reformation of confession; there is no such thing as a private confession in the whole of the Bible, only public. At some point the Catholic church introduced private confession for convenience. At Johns baptism, it was the open confession the Pharisees rejected. King David found GOD deaf to his cries for forgiveness until he was willing to confess Ps32. What did Job accuse Adam of, Job 31:33-34 We sin is to serve self, to hide sin is to exalt and protect self, to confess sin is to humble self and cast out sin. The practice of private confession is not from GOD! Neither is confessing to a priest or friend. By the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established. Please don't dismiss this, without asking the LORD and seeing what the scriptures say!
Yes you’re right Johns baptism was a baptism of repentance but the believers baptism is being baptized into Christ Jesus for the remission of sins after repentance Read Acts chapter 19 explains this baptism and Romans 6-2-6 Colossians 2::11,12.. Nobody could be baptized into Christ Jesus until Jesus resurrection which is where the new covenant begins. The Holy Spirit couldn’t be poured out until Jesus returned to heaven have accomplished his mission as the lamb sacrifice for the entire sins of the world. The Holy Spirit baptizes us into Christ Jesus body by using other believers. 1 Corinthians 12:13. The Holy Spirit initiates us into Christ Jesus body of believers. I’ve subscribed to your RUclips channel and so subscribe to mine. Our sins are not forgiven by confessing them but by calling on the Lord Jesus for forgiveness of all sins past, present and even future sins and then confessing Jesus as Lord and believing that the Lord Jesus Christ has dealt with all our sins on Calvary ( 2000 years ago) Believers believe and whatever we mess up we come boldly before Abba Father and thank Him for the blood of Jesus which cleanses us from all unrighteousness. Believers are not sin conscious but Son conscious Hebrews 10:1-2. Confess Jesus forevermore
@@seanrathmakedisciples1508 How can you hold such a view. What is sin? Yes, the breaking of the law, but the root of sin is the heart(self). It is the exaltation of self,Ye shall be as god's! The poison of the heart: rebellion. When this rebellion is removed from the heart the motivation to sin is gone; that can be the only basis for forgiveness. You would fill heaven with rebel's: What you are believing cannot be true, no sinner will enter heaven, this is the anti-christ doctrine, it is the same thing the apostles were fighting, the apostle John makes it very clear you cannot sin and know GOD.
Unless we confess our sins we will not be cleansed, this is a clear doctrine of the Bible, it is rejected for convenience, not for the love of CHRIST JESUS
@@stevedavies8703 Yes you’re either saved or still lost.Yes you’re either a sinner or saint washed by the blood of Jesus. You are either in Christ or still in the Adams family. You are either in the kingdom of darkness or you have been snatched from the kingdom of darkness to Jesus own kingdom of love and light Colossians 1:13. You. If anyone is in Christ then they are a new creation old things and gone all things are new and all things are of God..2 Corinthians 5:17. Call on the Lord Jesus Christ and receive your forgiveness and salvation and eternal life. John 3:16.. By one sacrifice we have been perfected forever Hebrews 10:14
@@seanrathmakedisciples1508 Therefore sin has ceased! I have written to you young men because you have overcome the wicked one!
One day a man confess his adultery To his wife because a christian friend says To do it... She put him out of the house.
Need "discernement" in public confession or who's hearing your confession...
Brother make sure you give recognition of teachings from other ministries like Living Waters so your not guilty plagiarism. Not saying this is the case.
Doesn't JESUS own the gospel?
@@stevedavies8703 yes He does. He also owns the Bible. What is the definition of plagiarism?
@@gman411111111 What exactly has been plagerised, is it possible to claim any original thought or word where the gospel is concerned? If you can, then, it is not of the Holy Spirit.
I meet Ray Comfort 15 years ago when I was already preaching this. And where he got it from was the Bible like we all should get it from.
@@TheLastReformation thanks for replying. This shows your a man of integrity and humility. Were blessed to see what God is doing through you
Love your videos, but you are mixing discipleship with salvation of the spirit, this are 2 diferent topics , salvation of the Spirit it’s free by faith in the grace of God , faith plus nothing, not by works. you are going to heaven by a free gift without repenting of sins. Then discipleship gets you free in the soul and you can experience heaven on earth but saying that you need to change your life and be a disciple to get to heaven when you die it’s not the gospel, repenting of sins it’s not for God it’s for you to experience blessing on earth but repeating and a change life doesn’t get you to heaven
Don't let Torby Boy deceive you!
This time I watched till 15:07. Don't be deceived, little children. Because this man is a false teacher. "Your faith in Christ cannot save you. Only your own holy life of repentance can." - Torben
You are the one that are deceived. You have never really read the word and have not experienced the freedom from sin. You are still in them.
@@TheLastReformation Nobody is completely free from sin. Unless you are a perfect human being, that is. No one can be justified by the work of the Law.
@@TheLastReformation none cN be justified by works of the law only GRACE AND FAITH ALONE IN WHAT CHRIST DONE ON THE CROSS. Please read the word brother and belive in what Jesus did not what you did
@@jaylinn416 absolute truth
Your own words disagree with you:
Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever PRACTICES righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. (1 John 3:7)
BS
Why do you imitate the enemy? If you have an issue with Torben's teachings, then ask a question rather than comment using filthy words.
@@kcmoua6391 the fruit of this group is lousy. I know people who have gone to his longer courses, been taken aside into secret meetings and have been threatened. I'm just saying. If you ask too many questions publicly to Torben, one gets threatened and they are interested in money despite what they say.